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Speaker 1: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 1: of guns that you can safely sell where the government

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Speaker 1: will say, well, if you sell under this number, then

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Speaker 1: you're not engaged in the business. In fact, the guidance

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Speaker 1: put out over the years by ATF said hell, it says, hell,

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Speaker 1: you can you can sell as few as one gun.

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Speaker 1: You can sell one gun. But if you're holding yourself

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Speaker 1: out as someone who's a dealer, Like if I get

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Speaker 1: to a gun show and I set up a booth

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Speaker 1: and I have Guys Guns and a big sign behind me,

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Speaker 1: and I have business cards that say Guys Guns, best

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Speaker 1: deal in town, and I sell one gun at a

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Speaker 1: gun store, ATF, Wilts would say, and it's part of

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Speaker 1: the guidance that they've put out over the years that

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Speaker 1: I'm engaged in the business. They will come arrest me

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Speaker 1: and try to put me in prison for five years

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Speaker 1: by selling one gun. So there's no number. So how

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Speaker 1: do you tell how do you determine what's legal and

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Speaker 1: what's illegal. Well, first of all, this is what the

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Speaker 1: statute said prior to this so called Safer Communities Act

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Speaker 1: of a couple of years ago. What it used to

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Speaker 1: say is you're engaged in the business if you repetitively

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Speaker 1: buy and sell firearms with a principal motive of generating

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Speaker 1: livelihood and profit. And so there were two terms there,

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Speaker 1: livelihood and profit. So some people said, well, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: sold some guns, and sure, I mean I'd like to

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Speaker 1: be able to sell them for more than my bottom

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Speaker 1: for so turning a profit. But this isn't what I

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Speaker 1: do for a living. I have a full time job.

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Speaker 1: I do something else for my livelihood. I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to make a living. I'm not trying to pay my bills.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to owe every now and then make

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Speaker 1: a profit on some guns that I'm selling. Or what

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Speaker 1: the Safer Communities Act of a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: did is it took out the livelihood part. So if

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Speaker 1: you just repetitively buy and sell guns with the principal

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Speaker 1: motivation of making a profit, boom. And there's because there's

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Speaker 1: no number that tells you what's legal and what's illegal.

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Speaker 1: That's why I have a vagueness issue with the statue.

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Speaker 1: But if you repetitively buy and sell guns with a

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Speaker 1: principal motivation of making more on the sale than you

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Speaker 1: paid to buy the gun originally, then you could potentially

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Speaker 1: get prosecuted and What the Biden administration did is they

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Speaker 1: came out and they wanted to act further on the

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Speaker 1: change in the statutory definition of what's engaged in the business.

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Speaker 1: That came out and said no, by the way, there's

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Speaker 1: been regulation and guidance from ATF that says, if you're

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Speaker 1: just liquidating a private collection, then that's okay, irrespective of

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Speaker 1: a number of guns. So that goes to the issue

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Speaker 1: of you, okay, grandpa dies, Grandpa had one hundred guns.

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Speaker 1: You don't really want the guns, you just want money.

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Speaker 1: You liquidate that. It's kind of a it's a series

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Speaker 1: of sales. It may be a large number of sales

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Speaker 1: because Grandpa had a lot of guns, but all you

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Speaker 1: want to do is sell Grandpa's guns, have the money

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Speaker 1: instead of the guns, and be done with it. AHF

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Speaker 1: decided they wanted to go after that issue and under

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Speaker 1: direction from the Biden administration, and so they said they

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Speaker 1: created some rules that for instance, said well, yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you're just liquidated a private collection, we've told you for

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Speaker 1: generations that that's okay. But we're going to create some presumptions,

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Speaker 1: including if the majority of guns being sold are for

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Speaker 1: self defense primarily for self defense, that's a presumption that

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Speaker 1: you're not really legitimately liquiditing a liquidating a private collection.

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Speaker 1: What why does that make a difference if Grandpa was

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Speaker 1: just into self defense firearms when he bought the guns,

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Speaker 1: he was into ars and carry and the kind of

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Speaker 1: guns that are traditionally used for self defense, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to what collector items. Grandpa didn't buy guns used in

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Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War or Civil War collector's items. He just

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Speaker 1: liked self defense guns, He liked ars, he liked guns

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Speaker 1: you carried, but he bought a bunch of them. You

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Speaker 1: inherit those. You don't want the guns, you just want

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Speaker 1: to sell them. Oh, hold on, we might still tag

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Speaker 1: you off base, try to put you in prison for

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Speaker 1: five years because the majority of those guns are useful

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Speaker 1: for self defense. What where did that come from? And

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Speaker 1: it was not based on anything in the statute as

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Speaker 1: written by Congress. That's just the Biden administration trying to

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Speaker 1: find any excuse to put you in prison and discourage

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Speaker 1: people from selling guns, even though historically and for generations

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Speaker 1: it was completely legal. That was rescinded also by the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration. So these aren't necessarily things that will apply

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Speaker 1: to it. That apply to a ton of people if

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this, But let me tell you for

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Speaker 1: those that it does apply to that gun owner trying

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Speaker 1: to operate under the Biden zero tolerance policy. As I

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Speaker 1: talked about last segment, the fact that that's been reduced,

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Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have the ATF boot on your neck

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Speaker 1: looking for any excuse to put you out of business.

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Speaker 1: Somebody who inherits those guns or just decides they don't

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Speaker 1: want the guns they have, they just went out from

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Speaker 1: underneath the ownership of those guns for whatever reason. It's

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Speaker 1: not a mentality I have. But listen, I'm more into

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Speaker 1: guns than most of my kids. If when I pass on,

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Speaker 1: would I have any problem with the idea of my

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Speaker 1: kids selling the majority of the guns that I have. No,

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Speaker 1: they ought to be able to do that. Should they

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Speaker 1: have to worry about being put in prison for five

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Speaker 1: years because most of the guns I own are primarily

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Speaker 1: usedful for self defense. Of course not. That's ludicrous, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: That's what the ATF under Biden was trying to do

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Speaker 1: to people. That's something that's also been rescinded. That's a

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Speaker 1: big deal, big deal for a lot of people want

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Speaker 1: to review that, we'll tell you what we'll shift gears

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Speaker 1: a little bit, talk about other developments in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: what we can look forward to in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: when we come back. Right now, we're taking a break.

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Speaker 1: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 1: ninety three WYBC. Guy Ralford for Tactical Firearms training. You know,

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Speaker 1: for years I've been pitching my Essentials of Indiana Gun

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Speaker 1: legal information you need to know as an Indiana gun owner. Well,

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Speaker 1: we've got one of those scheduled again. Now it's not

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have taken this over the years.

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Speaker 1: It gets very high marked, a lot of people recommend it,

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Speaker 1: We go through a detailed discussion of the law of

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Speaker 1: self defense when you can and cannot even pull your

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Speaker 1: gun out of the holster, point a gun at somewhat

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Speaker 1: and certainly when you can use deadly force, if you

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Speaker 1: carry a gun, you own a gun, even if you

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Speaker 1: have a gun on the nightstand or next to the bed.

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Speaker 1: Aren't those issues that you really need to understand completely

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Speaker 1: in terms of what the law says you can and

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Speaker 1: And welcome back. We've gotten sort of a short segment here.

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Speaker 5: At the top of the hour, but what we're going

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Speaker 5: to get into next hour is we're going to talk

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Speaker 5: about the fact that the Supreme has taken a couple

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Speaker 5: of cases and these are going to be following on

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Speaker 5: cases to the Supreme Court's decision from twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 5: which was the New York State Rifle and Pistol.

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Speaker 1: Association versus Bruin. And what's really important about that case.

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Speaker 1: First of all, it declared, really for the first time

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Speaker 1: that there is a fundamental right protected by the Second

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Speaker 1: Amendment to carry a firearm outside the home, including a handgun.

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Speaker 1: And that's why states all across the nation now that

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Speaker 1: got to scratch his chin and say, well, no, you

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Speaker 1: have a sufficient reason to carry a gun, but oh no, sorry,

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Speaker 1: you don't. And that was challenged on a constitutionality basis,

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Speaker 1: and Supreme Court ruled the right way. But they also

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Speaker 1: to decide the constitutionality of a gun control stack. And

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Speaker 1: I said, listen, it has to be supported by the

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Speaker 1: text of the Second Amendment and the history and tradition

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Speaker 1: of regulation of Second Amendment rights going back to the

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Speaker 1: time of the founding. So you have to find it

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Speaker 1: a corollary say, yeah, this is how rights have been

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Speaker 1: time of the founding. That test has resulted in a

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Speaker 1: lot of statutes being declared unconstitutional. That's what we're going

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Speaker 4: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 4: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 4: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 1: And welcome back to the Gun Guy Show here on

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Speaker 1: ninety three w VC. We well glad you're with us.

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Speaker 1: brand new studios. Still very much under construction, by the way,

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Speaker 1: guys went from here to the restroom during the break

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Speaker 1: and I was walking around a a lot of construction

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Speaker 1: we're rolling. I'm still not in I really convinced the

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Speaker 1: phone lines are working. So again, if you want to

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Speaker 1: two three nine ninety three, ninety three. What did you

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Speaker 1: that was significant to you. What do you want to see,

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Speaker 1: whether at the state or federal level in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Give us a call. We'd love to hear from our listeners,

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Speaker 1: as we always do. As I mentioned before the break,

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court has has granted what we call sirciarrari. They

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Speaker 1: from lower courts that deal with Second Amendment issues and listen. Historically,

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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven to two thousand and eight without a

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Speaker 1: of Vus dealing with the constitutionality of the National Firearms

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Speaker 1: Act as it relates to so called short bailed shotguns,

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Speaker 1: all the way through the Heller decision in two thousand

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Speaker 1: is in fact a constitutionally protected individual right to bear

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Speaker 1: arms protected by the Second Amendment that had never been

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Speaker 1: decided before. So two thousand and eight, hell Or that

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Speaker 1: changed everything in the sense that it preserved where it

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Speaker 1: could have gone the other way. Heller was a five

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Speaker 1: to four decision. Had one justice gone the other way,

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Speaker 1: the rule would be today. Unless you're in the National Guard,

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Speaker 1: the Second Amendment does nothing for you, doesn't protect anything

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Speaker 1: for you. How scary is that one vote away? If

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Speaker 1: you don't like elections matter, you know the knuckleheads that

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Speaker 1: you hear whether it's on TV or radio otherwise, Oh,

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Speaker 1: they're all the same. Elections don't matter, doesn't matter. They're

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Speaker 1: all corrupt. Well listen, I'm not speaking about corruption. But

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Speaker 1: if you don't think Republican versus Democrat matters, especially in

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Speaker 1: terms of the White House, in terms of who's appointing

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Speaker 1: nominating Supreme Court justices, ah, it's absolutely huge, Hugh much

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Speaker 1: Imagine if Hillary Clinton had won the election against Trump

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, and Hillary Clinton had appointed the three

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Speaker 1: justices that we now have on the Court. If Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton had appointed those three people instead of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh

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Speaker 1: and Amy Cony Barrett and I respectfully put justice in

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Speaker 1: front of each one of those names. Oh, we'd be

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Speaker 1: in a different world prior to that in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight, had there been one more liberal justice appointed

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Speaker 1: by a previous president of the United States, you'd be

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Speaker 1: looking at a situation where the Second Amendment does not

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Speaker 1: protect anything relative to your right to keep it in

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Speaker 1: bare arms unless you're in the National Guard. Amazing to me,

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Speaker 1: by the way, we I just had a note from

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Speaker 1: a gentleman on the YouTube feed that we're not broadcasting

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Speaker 1: over ninety three point one anymore, that that is dead.

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Speaker 1: So we'll give producer Gavin a heads up on that.

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Speaker 1: See what's going on there. YouTube's working, but apparently the

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Speaker 1: ninety three point one may be down, so we'll take

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Speaker 1: a look at that. If anybody can figure that out,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure producer Gavin can. But with the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: having taken a couple of cases and we've seen some

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Speaker 1: other again, the Bruin decision was huge. That says, yes,

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Speaker 1: there is not only a right to bear arms, but

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Speaker 1: there's a right to bear a handgun outside the home,

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Speaker 1: and the a particular state. In the case of the

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Speaker 1: of that decision, New York can't say that it's discretionary.

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Speaker 1: And the part of some government officials decide who has

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Speaker 1: that right to carry a gun outside the home and

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Speaker 1: who doesn't that if you're qualified, if you're not disqualified,

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Speaker 1: you can carry outside the home, and then they redefine

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Speaker 1: the test. And I mentioned before the break, Well, now

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Speaker 1: we've had a couple of more cases in terms of

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Speaker 1: significant developments. We won't know how significant until these cases

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Speaker 1: are decided, but the Supreme Court has taken a couple

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Speaker 1: of Second Amendment cases and we'll see these decisions handed

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Speaker 1: down sometime in twenty twenty six. And the first one

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Speaker 1: is interesting. I always am concerned when bad facts or

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Speaker 1: bad parties take issues before the Supreme Court in terms

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Speaker 1: of how likely we are to obtain the result we're

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Speaker 1: looking for. And what am I talking about here? The

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Speaker 1: Rahimi case second Amendment case that we've had decided here

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Speaker 1: more recently looked at the constitutionality since two years ago,

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Speaker 1: looked at the constitutionality of the statue that says if

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Speaker 1: he have a domestic violence order of protection issued against you,

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Speaker 1: then you cannot possess firearm and this raheemi guy, this

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Speaker 1: is out of Texas, had not been convicted of a crime,

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Speaker 1: but he was a very very bad guy. He'd apparently

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Speaker 1: been very abusive to multiple women, had been accused of

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Speaker 1: some serious crimes, including when he was trying to force

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Speaker 1: one woman into a car. Woman he was in a

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Speaker 1: relationship with of some type. He was trying to forcibly

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Speaker 1: shove her into a car. A bystander went by challenged

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Speaker 1: him to say, hey, man, leave that woman alone. Reportedly

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Speaker 1: fired shots in the air to scare off this bystander. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: he was not prosecuted or convicted for that.

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Speaker 8: But.

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Speaker 1: More than one woman got a domestic violence order of

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Speaker 1: protection issued against him. But he then appealed his conviction,

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Speaker 1: and the court in Texas overturned it to say, well,

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Speaker 1: hold on, he hadn't been convicted of any crime. He

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Speaker 1: went through a civil process where the burden of proof

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Speaker 1: is just preponderance to the evidence. It's like fifty one percent.

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Speaker 1: It's a civil standard to say, yeah, he was dangerous

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Speaker 1: enough that the lady involved needed a protective order, and

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Speaker 1: because he hadn't been convicted of any crime, it was

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Speaker 1: unconstitutional to take his second Amendment rights away from him.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court took that case, and when they took it,

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Speaker 1: I was very concerned because the guy involved, this Rahemi

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Speaker 1: guy himself, was not a good guy. And when you

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Speaker 1: read the facts, most people, without really focusing on the

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Speaker 1: broader constitutional issues, which of course is the Supreme Court's

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Speaker 1: job from an empirical level, from a gut level, you

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Speaker 1: looked at that and said, you know, I'm pretty much

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Speaker 1: okay with this guy not having a gun. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people would have that reaction to those facts because

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Speaker 1: he was a bad guy, who's a violent guy, who

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Speaker 1: was abusive to multiple women, which does not help your case. Now,

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Speaker 1: the reason Lady Justice and all the statues that you

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Speaker 1: see outside the courtrooms and in the seals of different courts,

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Speaker 1: the reason that Lady Justice has a blindfold on is

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Speaker 1: she's supposed to be blind to the facts. She's supposed

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Speaker 1: to determine the law of the system. Is supposed to

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Speaker 1: determine the law based on purely the law and equity

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Speaker 1: and the Constitution, and they're supposed to be immune to facts.

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Speaker 1: The judges who decide these issues and the justices of

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. But is Lady Justice really blind. I've

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Speaker 1: been a lawyer for forty two years, and what I've

741
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Speaker 1: been saying that entire forty two years is bad facts.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, Bad facts make bad law. And we saw

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Speaker 1: that in the Rahimi case. What they say when the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court came out with that decision, Well, he'd been

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Speaker 1: adjudicated to be a danger to a person. Where a

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Speaker 1: court has determined you to be an existing danger with

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Speaker 1: another person, then it's constitutional to take your Second Amendment

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Speaker 1: rights away. A lot of the constitutional challenges that may

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Speaker 1: have existed relative to red red flag laws pretty much

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Speaker 1: went poof with the Rahimi decision. Well why because you

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Speaker 1: go through a red flag case, it's only a civil proceeding,

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Speaker 1: just like a domestic violence order of protection proceeding. Is

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Speaker 1: you don't even have a right to counsel. How is

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Speaker 1: that consistent with due process? You don't have a right

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Speaker 1: to counsel because it's only a civil case, not criminal,

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Speaker 1: and the Bill of Rights only guarantees you right to

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Speaker 1: counsel in criminal cases. But it's a case in which

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Speaker 1: you can lose your second of memoriights. Supreme Court said, well,

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Speaker 1: if that court finds you that you're a danger to

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Speaker 1: another person and under a red flat case, it's you're

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Speaker 1: a danger to yourself or others. Court finds that it's constitutional.

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Speaker 1: We had bad facts, make bad law. That happened in Ronhimi.

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Speaker 1: Well what about the case. It's been accepted. It's now

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Speaker 1: we're going to see a decision on in twenty twenty six. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is the United States versus Hamiani. Hamiani apparently is

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Speaker 1: a guy with a lot of connections to Iran, who

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Speaker 1: actually has some connections to terrorism. And the facts, of

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Speaker 1: course were disputed in the underlying court. So I leave

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Speaker 1: it to others to dig into that, to get into

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Speaker 1: the specifics. But Harmiani is a guy that you don't necessarily,

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Speaker 1: when you read the facts of the underlying cases, you

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily, again on that empirical level, start cheering for

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Speaker 1: him to have his Second Amendment rights. It's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: a typical person's reaction. But Harmiani is a guy who

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Speaker 1: simply admitted to to law enforcement he was founded with

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Speaker 1: a gun in the car and in the course of

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Speaker 1: the excuse me, yeah, found with a gun of firearm

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Speaker 1: in his vehicle. In the process of interacting with law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: At some point he admitted to being a consistent. You

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Speaker 1: can use the word habitual if you want, user of marijuana.

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Speaker 1: And again, do bad facts make bad law? Yeah, every time.

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Speaker 1: And this officer apparently was motivated given what he through

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Speaker 1: his initial investigation could determine about how MONI to put

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Speaker 1: this guy in jail, to arrest him, at least put

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Speaker 1: him in handcuffs. And he said, well, the federal statue says,

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Speaker 1: if you're a user of or addicted to any illegal

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Speaker 1: drug and you cannot possess firearm, that's the federal statute

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Speaker 1: user of we're addicted to in the illegal drug marijuana.

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Speaker 1: As ridiculous as this might be, and President Trump just

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Speaker 1: announced he's looking to change this and has ordered the

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Speaker 1: FDA to take another look at the classification of marijuana.

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Speaker 1: But marijuana is still not only illegal at the federal level,

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Speaker 1: it's illegal at the highest possible level. It's up there,

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Speaker 1: I think i'd call it Schedule one. It's up there

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Speaker 1: with heroin and cocaine and methamphetamine as the worst possible

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Speaker 1: drugs that are the most addictive, the most harmful, with

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Speaker 1: the least medicinal purposes, which, of course for marijuana, is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And again, this is not an issue for me personally,

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Speaker 1: I learned in college that marijuana and I don't get along,

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Speaker 1: So it's not an issue for me personally, but it

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Speaker 1: is for a lot of people I know and love,

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Speaker 1: especially a lot of people I know that are veterans

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Speaker 1: that use marijuana for pure medicinal purposes because it treats

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Speaker 1: their PTSD. It's great for pain management, it's great for

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Speaker 1: some gastrointestinal issues, and a lot of other medicinal purposes.

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Speaker 1: But HARMIONI was a habitual user at marijuana, and for

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Speaker 1: that reason he was tried and he was convicted. Well,

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Speaker 1: let me back up, he was prosecuted is a better

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Speaker 1: way to put that, more accurate way to put that.

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Speaker 1: The trial court in Texas threw it out, saying it's

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Speaker 1: not consistent with the text, history, and tradition of regulation

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Speaker 1: to the Second Amendment to say someone who is not

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Speaker 1: necessarily under the influence of drugs were alcohol at the

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Speaker 1: time that they possess a firearm, if they just regularly use,

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Speaker 1: in this case, a drug that's illegal at the federal level,

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Speaker 1: not high at the time that they possessed a gun

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Speaker 1: or were caught with a gun, they just use marijuana

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Speaker 1: regularly at other times it's not a consistent with the text, history,

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Speaker 1: and tradition of the Second Amendment to put that person

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Speaker 1: in prison up to ten years, by the way, And

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Speaker 1: so it was thrown out. And that was thrown out

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Speaker 1: the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. The Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: appealed that to the Supreme Court. Now, for all the

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Speaker 1: good that the Trump administration has done and the whole

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Speaker 1: first hour I talked about their executive orders, President Trump's

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Speaker 1: executive orders, and the good things done by the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice to undo a lot of the crap anti

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment moves and impacts and rulings and regulations that

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration had thrust upon us. For all the

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Speaker 1: good that Trump DOJ has done, and Trump himself has done,

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Speaker 1: the DOJ appealed to Rahimi excuse me, the Harmani decision

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Speaker 1: on marijuana possession, and took it to the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: that could have left it alone. Now we're going to

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Speaker 1: see a decision at the Supreme Court. If you're an

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Speaker 1: habitual user of marijuana, does the text, history, and tradition

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Speaker 1: of the Second Amendment allow the government to put you

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Speaker 1: in prison for possessing a firearm? Tell you what we're

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Speaker 1: way past the quarter hours. Definitely time to take a break.

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Speaker 1: We come back, we'll get into more particulars of that,

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Speaker 1: and what other Supreme Court case on the Second Amendment

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Speaker 1: Scotis has agreed to take and what the impact of

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Speaker 1: that could be as well. Right now, we're taking a break.

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Speaker 4: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford WYPC.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 1: Show on ninety three wid C. So really in my mind,

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Speaker 1: but for my concern over quote unquote bad facts make

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Speaker 1: bad law, this Harmoni decision, I think it's an easy win.

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Speaker 1: Should be an easy win in front of the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court because there there simply is no historical analog for

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Speaker 1: stripping Second Amendment rights away from people, not just that

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Speaker 1: putting them in jail for gun possession when they sometime

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Speaker 1: to use an illegal substance but are not intoxicated or

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Speaker 1: not high at the time they possess a firearm. And

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Speaker 1: and and the most historical analogs, yes there are, there are.

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Speaker 1: There were laws and regulations in the colonies depriving the

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Speaker 1: right to possess firearm from drunkards when they're drunk. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you can find a law like that, but the same

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Speaker 1: person who likes to get drunk. And keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about something a little different here, and may

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Speaker 1: impact the decision in terms of booze not being illegal

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Speaker 1: for most of our history anyway, and in this case

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Speaker 1: marijuana for whatever ridiculous reason, still being illegal at the

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Speaker 1: federal level. But the historical analogs just aren't there. And

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Speaker 1: and and what's interesting is is the decision you would

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Speaker 1: think would be no, someone who just simply uses a

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Speaker 1: mild intoxicant like marijuana from time to time, is not

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Speaker 1: under the influence at the time, may not be arrested

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Speaker 1: and prosecuted, And so that law is unconstitutional as to

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Speaker 1: that person under those circumstances. But whenever the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: makes a ruling or any court makes a ruling that

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Speaker 1: has jurisdiction over you and where you live, you always

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Speaker 1: need to look at a couple of things, how broad

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Speaker 1: is the ruling, and where they declare a statute unconstitutional.

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Speaker 1: They can do that in a couple different ways. A

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Speaker 1: court can declare a statute unconstitutional on its face. That

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Speaker 1: it does is unconstitutional as to anybody at any time,

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Speaker 1: under any circumstances. It's unconstitutional on its face. What happens

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Speaker 1: a bit more often is statutes are not declared unconstitutional

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Speaker 1: generally or on their face. They're declared unconstitutional as to

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Speaker 1: the individual litigant involved. So they can say, as to

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Speaker 1: mister Harmoni himself, who is simply a regular user of

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Speaker 1: marijuana and make it specific to marijuana, but who was

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Speaker 1: a firearm, the law is unconstitutional as to him. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you're someone who regularly smokes pot but don't carry

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Speaker 1: you're under the influence of marijuana that you could be

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Speaker 1: pretty confident the Supreme Court would also say that you

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Speaker 1: couldn't be prosecuted either, but the scope of the ruling

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Speaker 1: could potentially be limited to a statute being unconstitutional as

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Speaker 1: to an individual litigant and not generally. But I think

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Speaker 1: this is this is going to be interesting. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is the same statue and you're probably thinking this

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Speaker 1: as you're listening that Hunter Biden was convicted under before Daddy,

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Speaker 1: his dad, the president at the time, granted him a pardon,

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Speaker 1: and this issue of do you have to be intoxicated

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Speaker 1: a substantial period of time. Right in the middle of

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Speaker 1: So he's horribly addicted. Admitted that during that time he

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Speaker 1: went in and bought a gun, and when he filled

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Speaker 1: out the form, the forty four to seventy three form

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Speaker 1: you are you currently a user of or addicted to

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Speaker 17: And in fact.

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Speaker 1: For the last few years. The forum actually says this

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Speaker 1: includes marijuana in those states where marijuana has been legalized.

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Speaker 1: Why because it's still illegal at the federal level. So

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden, knowing that he was a cocaine addict, answered

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Speaker 1: no to that question. Lying on the forty four seventy

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Speaker 1: you a gun, we'll get you ten years in prison.

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Speaker 1: Then possessing the gun being someone as a user or

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Speaker 1: a user of or addicted to an illegal drug will

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Speaker 1: also get you another ten years. The actual lying on

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Speaker 1: the forum I think is five. The most he could

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Speaker 1: have been sent to prison for was twenty five years,

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Speaker 1: but before he was sentenced. He got a pardon, but

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Speaker 1: it's the same law. Could the Harmoni decision come out

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Speaker 1: and actually impact people who are cocaine addicts, or heroin

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Speaker 1: addicts or methamphetamine addicts from possessing firearms. That's where I say,

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Speaker 1: you would definitely want to look at the breadth of

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Speaker 1: the ruling. And I think that's exactly what justices are

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Speaker 1: going to be concerned about. I'm making a ruling that's

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Speaker 1: too broad. But that's one of those things we're going

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Speaker 1: to know before the end of twenty twenty six is

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Speaker 1: which way they go on that. Do they uphold that

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Speaker 1: law at all? Do they overturn it only as to Harmani?

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Speaker 1: Do they overturn it only as do someone like Marra,

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Speaker 1: like Harmani who was a marijuana user. All very interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We're a little past bomb in

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Speaker 1: the Arrowlet's take a break, we come back. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about another case Supreme Court has taken that could have

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Speaker 1: a big impact in a lot of states, Not necessarily

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Speaker 1: Indiana because of how strong Indiana's gun laws already are,

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Speaker 1: but a big case nationally, potentially in places like New

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Speaker 1: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Do we have a couple of callers.

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Speaker 23: We actually got two callers on right now.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll tell you what. I was absolutely beginning

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Speaker 1: I was beginning to doubt it. But I don't know

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Speaker 1: to talk about. But let's go to our caller number one.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the gun Guy Show. I do sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the gun guy Show, which got for us.

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Speaker 17: Hi guy, I have a question about old ammunition. Probably

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Speaker 17: mine showed me his there's forty five that he had

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Speaker 17: for World War Two, and to my surprise, he had

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Speaker 17: like four or five magazines that were still loaded with

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Speaker 17: that era ammunition. And I've got a few pieces that

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Speaker 17: were my father's from the same time frame, and I

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Speaker 17: just didn't know where to go to try to get

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Speaker 17: that ammunition, you know, rendered an art or you know destroyed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you some folks that have encountered this, well,

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Speaker 1: they have taken them to the local police. Different police

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Speaker 1: departments are going to feel differently about that issue. Other

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Speaker 1: folks will use I mean, there's an actual device called a

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Speaker 1: bullet pullar where you can and pretty scavin let's put

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Speaker 1: this gentleman on holds. We don't get that background noise there.

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Speaker 1: Other folks will use a bullet pullar, which you can

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Speaker 1: actually use vice cripts and pull the bullet out of

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Speaker 1: the cartridge, out of the shellcasing, and safely disposed of

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Speaker 1: the gunpowder. And now you've just got a piece of

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Speaker 1: lead and a piece of brass basically, which is going

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Speaker 1: to be completely safe. He got a live primer potentially.

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Speaker 1: And you know when I ran Eagle Creek Pystal Range

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Speaker 1: before Mayor Hogs, it threw civilians out of there. We

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Speaker 1: taxpayers just have to pay for it. We don't actually

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Speaker 1: get to use it. But when I ran Eagle Creek

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Speaker 1: Pistol Range, people used to bring old ammo and sometimes, frankly,

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Speaker 1: they would just shoot it up. I had a gentleman

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Speaker 1: who was shooting old forty five and it was probably

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Speaker 1: exactly the genre of the m you're talking about, which

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Speaker 1: is that it was in just white boxes as stamped

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Speaker 1: forty five ACP. It looked like a hand stamp. And

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Speaker 1: as the guy was shooting the ammunition, his shell casings

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Speaker 1: were falling out on the ground and they were really

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Speaker 1: dark color. And I was picking up and I was

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Speaker 1: looking at them and they were like a very very

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Speaker 1: dark green, And I remember looking at the showcasings and

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Speaker 1: the guy looks over his shoulder at me as I

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Speaker 1: picked up one of his showcasings, and he goes, he goes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: those look a little rough, don't they. And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out the coating on these because

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Speaker 1: they don't look brass because they're early dark green. He goes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's corrosion. These are from World War Two. We found

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Speaker 1: it in Grandpa's basement and he was shooting them, and

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Speaker 1: they shoot just fine. Typically there's not a real issue

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Speaker 1: with integrity and listen, I'm not an expert necessarily on

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Speaker 1: the science of ammunition, but typically it's either gonna work

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Speaker 1: or it's not going to work. I would expect primers

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Speaker 1: to go bad over time, if powder has gotten wet

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Speaker 1: or otherwise, you could have it not work. But ammunition

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Speaker 1: can be pretty damn old, and when it has just

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Speaker 1: surface corrosion, it can also interrupt the functioning of a

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Speaker 1: semi automatic gun. For instance, a lot of people will

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Speaker 1: just say ah and shoot it up. I'm not recommending that,

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Speaker 1: because again I'm not an expert in that area. But

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Speaker 1: if you want to render it inert, really you could

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Speaker 1: take some vice cripts. Just be careful around the primer,

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Speaker 1: take some vice cripts, pull a bullet out again, safely

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Speaker 1: disposed of the gunpowder, and then boom, you've you've you've

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Speaker 1: got inert ingredients that you're good to go with inert components.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the phone lines and caller number two,

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Speaker 1: I'll call you. What's your name? Yeah, next caller which

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Speaker 1: you got for us?

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Speaker 2: Hey, guy, it's Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Hey, my buddy, Kelly. How you doing. Man, It's good

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Speaker 1: to hear from you, a new studio man. You are

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Speaker 1: now my second caller I've ever had. Again, I was

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Speaker 1: starting to I started to disbelieve when they told me

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Speaker 1: the phone lines were working.

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Speaker 2: Well, the first caller, I know, I was on hold

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Speaker 2: because I was yelling shoot it, shoot it when he

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Speaker 2: was talking about them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you've got to be careful what we recommend

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Speaker 1: here on the radio. But I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that have that attitude, and I've seen a lot

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Speaker 1: of people do that having a run of public range

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Speaker 1: for a lot of years. People would just bring it

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Speaker 1: and shoot it up and not have an issue. But

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily recommend that God forbid something untoward happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not corroded. Shoot, it is kind of my policy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, Kelly Key for those who don't know,

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Speaker 1: Kelly has been calling in and had been a guest

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Speaker 1: here on the show many times. He is the co

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Speaker 1: director of legislative Affairs to the Indiana State Rifle and

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Speaker 1: Pistol Association and someone that I work with closely on

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Speaker 1: legislative issues. And we've been conspiring here for months now

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Speaker 1: leading up to the twenty twenty six Indiana General Assembly session.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, Kelly, to me, one of the

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Speaker 1: most important things we've seen, at least in terms of

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Speaker 1: the long term is we just saw and you reported this.

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Speaker 1: I had not even seen this. I saw it later

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Speaker 1: on social media, but you were the one I learned

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Speaker 1: it from. That our long standing nemesis, our arch villain

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Speaker 1: in my mind on the Judiciary Committee, as cherish Juiciary

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Speaker 1: Committee Senator Liz Brown, who single handedly killed constitutional constitutional

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Speaker 1: carry more than once and tried to kill it in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two when we ultimately got a passed by

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Speaker 1: going around her. She's been replaced as Committee chair on

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Speaker 1: Judiciary in the Senate. That's huge because one, she's the

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Speaker 1: liberal who just happens to be pro life, but she's

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Speaker 1: totally anti Second Amendment. I would love to see her

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Speaker 1: primary and run out of there. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: getting her off the chair of the Judiciary Committee in

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Speaker 1: the Senate that's huge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we will probably never know what went on behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes because she started as the chair and was

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Speaker 2: there long enough to run her immigration bill through, which

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Speaker 2: Senator Cook's bill was better. I actually used chat GPT

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Speaker 2: to compare the two because compare and contract long documents

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Speaker 2: I really can't do anymore. But yeah, that was that

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Speaker 2: was kind of a surprise there. And s Senator Carrasco

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Speaker 2: is definitely one we don't mind seeing with the gabble there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Well, you know, mainly it looks to

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Speaker 1: me and tell me if you disagree. But in terms

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six, I think we're primarily playing defense

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Speaker 1: in UH in the Indian General Assembly. UH, what's your

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Speaker 1: what's your what's your what's your view on that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got the UH for the is RPA website.

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Speaker 2: I draft up pretty much. It's a it's an Excel

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Speaker 2: and then the their opinion on it. And so far

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Speaker 2: we can support, but I'm thinking maybe on the fifth

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Speaker 2: we're going to see a whole flurry of bills get

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Speaker 2: assigned the committee because yeah, there was nothing there and

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Speaker 2: it was the you and I was updating twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five's of course, and I'm looking at them like this

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Speaker 2: bill was here last year, just had a different number,

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Speaker 2: you know, whether it's the storage bills, whether it's the assault

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Speaker 2: weapons ban, whether it's a whole plethora of things, like

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Speaker 2: with Senator Cadora, who was basically wanting to say Marion

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Speaker 2: County is different, so we can do whatever we want. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was somewhere. I've got my replies to everything he

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Speaker 2: was wanting to do, and then he probably needs to

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Speaker 2: start with defining assault weapons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, and Kelly, we need

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Speaker 1: to take a break. We come back, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: talk about Cadura's bill. Senator Cadura's bill, I met him

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Speaker 1: no disrespect, and how that impacts the preemption law, because

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Speaker 1: I actually had several inquiries on that from people who

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Speaker 1: but talk about what that means. Right now, we've got

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Speaker 1: to take a break. But Kelly, thanks so much. We'll

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Speaker 1: have you back when some session starts. We'll get into

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Speaker 1: some more detail on what we expect to see here

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Speaker 1: And welcome back. We got a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: short segment here at the end of the show, as

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Speaker 1: we often do, but I'm really glad that that Kelly

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Speaker 1: Myers from is RPA called in because he raised is

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Speaker 1: a really important point because you know, there are always

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Speaker 1: pro Second Amendment bills that we're fighting for, and one

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Speaker 1: thing I didn't have time to get into I'll talk

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Speaker 1: about next week is national reciprocity at the federal level

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Speaker 1: and how likely are we to see that get done

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six and other you know pro two

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Speaker 1: way bills. I fought one of the reasons I formed

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Speaker 1: the two A Project back in twenty twenty was to

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Speaker 1: get constitutional carry passed here in Indiana, which we did

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Speaker 1: and the two A Project and I, along with ISRPA

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Speaker 1: and NRA and others, were right out front on getting

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Speaker 1: that done. But you know, one thing that we don't

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Speaker 1: ever lose sight of, and we can't is always playing

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Speaker 1: defense because even in a state like Indiana with a

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Speaker 1: super majority of Republicans, there are bills that get filed

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Speaker 1: every year that unless people are really paying attention, you know,

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Speaker 1: may not sound real objectionable on their face and may

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Speaker 1: even get some Republican support if they don't get educated

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Speaker 1: on what they really mean. For instance, there's usually a

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Speaker 1: quote unquote safe storage bill. Well, I mean I've been

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Speaker 1: teaching and preaching safe storage of firearms for thirty five years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've taught thousands and thousands of people that

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Speaker 1: you know, one of your responsibilities, primary responsibilities as a

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Speaker 1: gun owner is to make sure that your guns are

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Speaker 1: inaccessible to anyone unauthorized or untrained to handle your firearms. However,

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Speaker 1: laws get proposed every year that would say, well, if

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Speaker 1: you have someone under eighteen under your roof and there's

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Speaker 1: a firearm available anywhere in your home at any time.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you could have a seventeen year old

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Speaker 1: state champion in trap or skip and you have a

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Speaker 1: handgun on your nightstand. Boom, you gotta jail because you're

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Speaker 1: violating the safe storage law. So we need to educate

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Speaker 1: the legislators every year. We need to keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on these things and always play defense. That's going to

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Speaker 1: be it for this week's show. I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: it and hope you come back. Remember as you come

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Speaker 1: back to listen to the Gun Guys Show, always shoot

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Speaker 1: straight and always be safe.