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Speaker 2: Hey there, everybody, it's been a bit so glad I

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Speaker 2: join each other on this Thursday. No, I'm not Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony today. You might remember me.

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Speaker 2: I've been on a couple of different times. Love coming

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Speaker 2: on with you all. In fact, I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 2: a story a little bit. I had a great trip

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Speaker 2: amazing what what y'all are doing in Indiana these days.

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Speaker 2: We got a great show, as we always do, jam

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Speaker 2: Pack Show, Action Pack Show. Today we're gonna be joined

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Speaker 2: in a couple of minutes by my buddy John Justice

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Speaker 2: from the Twin Cities News talk to talk about everything

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Speaker 2: that's going on in Minneapolis, because there's it's fallen apart

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Speaker 2: really is happening. Scotty Neil Hughes owed for ad Scotty

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Speaker 2: Nel Hughes is going to be joining us. She accurately

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Speaker 2: predicted what was going to happen in that Tennessee special

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Speaker 2: Clear Policy is going to join Guy Bentley from Reason.

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Speaker 2: Congresswoman Beth Van Dyne is going to join us from Texas.

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Speaker 2: She's got a couple of pieces of small business friendly legislation.

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Speaker 2: And finally, Marlo Lewis from the Competitive Enterprise Institute to

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Speaker 2: talk about what the President did yesterday on cars and

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Speaker 2: car efficiency. But in the meantime, I'm sure you've heard

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Speaker 2: Let's go Aheadland and play cut number one.

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Speaker 3: This is a big deal, Bill and Dana. It happened

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Speaker 3: January fifth, twenty twenty one. A mysterious person covered from

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Speaker 3: The suspect then placed the same type of bomb outside

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Speaker 2: theorizing and the James Jesus Angleton, who was the founding

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Speaker 8: And then Trump and Republicans are railing against Governor Tim

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Speaker 8: there are now multiple federal investigations into this fraud. Folks

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Speaker 2: the way, shout out to two of my favorite people

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Speaker 11: Yes, I endorse that. And what's this January thing that

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Speaker 11: Well, he knows how I feel about tie, so I

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Speaker 2: I mean, especially after Tim Waltz lost the election. You know,

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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is insanity. You know. Typically, over the course

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Speaker 10: Major fraud story to come out of the.

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Speaker 12: He would have their back over.

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Speaker 2: And and and it's because this is a major These

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Speaker 11: Well, this has been you know, part of the reason

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Speaker 10: This is just my theory, Andrew. I know you'll appreciate this.

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Speaker 11: Because of how that race went down and.

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Speaker 11: I wouldn't be surprised if Jacob fry isn't actually very

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Speaker 10: I'll talk bad about you, but I'm right there with

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Speaker 2: It's a win. It's a win win, win win for

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, it's it's amazing John that we're talking about John

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you can follow me online on x at the

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Speaker 2: John dot Gun. We gotta leave it there, buddy. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Man, Thank you so very much. Listen Scott

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Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today. I am Andrew Langer in

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Speaker 2: for Tony. So glad I can join you, and you

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Speaker 2: can join me on this Thursday. By the way, supermoon tonight.

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Speaker 2: If you're not aware of that the supermoon is happening,

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Speaker 14: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: I think that is one of the best things and

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Speaker 14: And especially on these clear winter nights.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think it's very very to see the stars,

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Speaker 14: And maybe it's just getting older.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think you're right. I think there is

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Speaker 2: By the way, our guest is Scotty in l Hughes.

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Speaker 2: She is a writer, she's an activist, she's a political

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Speaker 2: Tell us what we need to know about this special election.

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Speaker 2: Obviously the left is making great hay of the fact

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Speaker 5: Explain why, Well, let me let me tell you right now,

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Speaker 14: Why Because Republican.

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Speaker 5: Parties, the people, the grassroots have to start getting engaged

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Speaker 14: You know everything that Trump is been, you agree.

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Speaker 5: Or disagree if you feel like he's not fulfilious campaign promises.

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Speaker 5: I get that kind of frustration, But there's also got

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Speaker 15: You know, one thing that's great about Republicans.

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Speaker 14: We want to return the power back to the states. Okay, well,

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Speaker 14: We saw the other night.

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Speaker 5: Nationally, Democrats loved the thought of potentially being able to

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Speaker 12: Right, So, unless she realized the background.

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Speaker 14: Know Democrats crime and Republicans who well, guess what. Democrats

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Speaker 5: If they have a chance to take a House seat

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Speaker 5: So I don't care if you are in power. That's

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Speaker 2: Now, Scotty, this is this is hold on for one second.

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Speaker 2: This is exactly why, why what was at stake in

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Speaker 2: the Virginia election, and why the Democrats kept the government

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Speaker 2: shut down so that they can make sure that they

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Speaker 2: can turn out as many Democrats angry Democratic voters in

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Speaker 2: the Virginia gubernatorial elections and the legislative elections, because this

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Speaker 2: is exactly what Virginia is going to do come January.

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Speaker 2: They are going to try to snag at least one,

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Speaker 2: if not two, additional seats. It's what, as we know

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Speaker 2: that the governor of Maryland wants to do. And Maryland,

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Speaker 2: Maryland only has. Maryland's voter registration is two to one

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Speaker 2: Democrats a Republican and yet out of the eight congressional

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Speaker 2: districts they have only one of them is represented by

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Speaker 2: a Republican. Well they want it. That's not good enough

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Speaker 2: for the Democrats in Maryland. They want to get rid

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Speaker 2: of it. You're absolutely right. Whenever they can take a seat,

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Speaker 2: they're going to do so. And it's about bloody time

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Speaker 2: that the Republicans get on this and play. As Richard Marsenko,

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Speaker 2: the founder of Seal Team six, would have said, doom

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Speaker 2: on you.

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Speaker 14: Absolutely and that's what we did in to see.

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Speaker 5: I know Indiana's got some redistricting issues right now as

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Speaker 5: well do it. You have to do it because the

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Speaker 5: other side is going to do it, and so why

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Speaker 5: not when you have control. But this is where and

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Speaker 5: it's not about who the president is, not about This

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Speaker 5: actually shows about how powerful your stated. And I knew

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Speaker 5: that Tennessee was a very red state.

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Speaker 14: I knew going into the other night that it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 14: Democrats don't care about the quality of their candidates.

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Speaker 5: If you haven't seen, look at the slate they have

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Speaker 5: right now in Congress. Right now, I could care less

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Speaker 5: that they have a quality candidate running. They want a

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Speaker 5: warm body in there with a D by their name.

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Speaker 14: And Democrats are loyal and they knew that in these

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Speaker 14: local county parties.

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Speaker 5: And this is probably what I really wanted to speak

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Speaker 5: to the audience about in these next few months.

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Speaker 12: I get it there are splits.

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Speaker 14: Happening within our GOP.

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Speaker 5: We are having these debates between Conservatives, between Federalists, between

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Speaker 5: constitutional There's all sorts of splits that are happening on

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Speaker 5: in these local GOP. But in the end, after you

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Speaker 5: get through this bloody primary where we knock each other.

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Speaker 14: Out, you have to vote Ran. To them take the

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Speaker 14: time and the energy to go vote R.

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Speaker 5: We were the only reason why that the Democrats thought

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Speaker 5: and nobody on nashally want to talk about the Democrats

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Speaker 5: thought they had a chance at this was there with

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Speaker 5: such division happening in these county parties in this district

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Speaker 5: for the past two years. I mean we're talking It

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Speaker 5: made the Romeo and Juliet's family feuse looks simple.

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Speaker 14: There is definitely.

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Speaker 5: Some anger going on right there that people were saying,

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Speaker 5: you know what, in a year from now, we can

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Speaker 5: elect our guy in there. We don't want to put

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Speaker 5: mat Vanms, We'd rather put this Democrat in there. What ultimately,

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Speaker 5: we had to start educating and say no, No, this

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Speaker 5: is a crucial year. If we, by chance to lose

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Speaker 5: this House, go on and figure out that Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: will be impeached, go on and figure out that there

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Speaker 5: will be zero things done for the Trump agenda.

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Speaker 14: So I don't care if you do have to hold

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Speaker 14: your nos, go hold your nose vote in the general.

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Speaker 5: So getting those people back re engaged, telling him to

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Speaker 5: lick their wounds, put your own egos behind, and go

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Speaker 5: vote ours what we had to do. And I think

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Speaker 5: ultimately that's what carry did, exactly as we predicted the

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Speaker 5: numbers were going to be.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's the old, the old anecdote about

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Speaker 2: and it's probably apocryphal of Barney Frank being on the

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Speaker 2: House the you know the House train, you know the

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Speaker 2: train that goes between the House office buildings and the Capitol.

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Speaker 2: And there was some you know, representative Democrat, blue dog

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Speaker 2: Democrat from down south who had been railing against something

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Speaker 2: having to do with probably gay marriage, something from the

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Speaker 2: lgbt Q I A agenda, and he apologized to Barney

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Speaker 2: Frank on the train and Barney Frank says, no, listen,

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Speaker 2: I get it. You know, so long as you vote

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Speaker 2: the way you do I get to be called, you know,

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Speaker 2: chairman Frank, and they're they're all about the power and

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Speaker 2: being able to hold on too. By the way, we're

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Speaker 2: talking with Scotty Nell Hughes. Lots of news by the way,

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Speaker 2: coming up for Scotty. Stay tuned to her social media

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Speaker 2: channels at Scotty nell h. Right, that's that's the that's

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Speaker 2: the Twitter feed, Yes.

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Speaker 15: Scot Gmail dot All right, scot.

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Speaker 12: There you go address.

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Speaker 2: That's always always a good thing. So let's go here

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Speaker 2: with we've got this admiral up on the hill today.

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Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts you know about about

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Speaker 2: Pete hegg Seth and the long knives for Pete hagg Seth,

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Speaker 2: but specifically about this Venezuela situation and the drug interdiction.

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Speaker 2: You know, what are your what are your thoughts here?

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Speaker 5: This is very very tricky, and I'll be the first

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Speaker 5: to say and yet good huge.

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Speaker 2: I hold on for a second, guys, because what I

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Speaker 2: always appreciate about Scotty is that she she doesn't just

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Speaker 2: go with the crowd. She has her own mind about

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Speaker 2: these things. So I'm genuinely curious as to what you

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Speaker 2: think about this.

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Speaker 14: So it's real.

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Speaker 5: We have a huge drug problem here in the United States.

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Speaker 5: But we especially as Republicans, as conservatives, we have to

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Speaker 5: be consistent, especially those that are an awful to.

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Speaker 14: Take care of.

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Speaker 5: If we really want to eliminate the drug problem in

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Speaker 5: this country, then we need to be consistent across the board.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump has always said he he himself has never

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Speaker 5: taken a drug.

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Speaker 14: He has always wanted to rid our streets of drugs.

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Speaker 5: So this justification going into it though, said that we're

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Speaker 5: going to bomb these boats out in Venezuela.

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Speaker 14: I'm sorry, I do have some questions because on one.

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Speaker 5: Hand, we've pardoned the former president from Honduras who is

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Speaker 5: literally trafficking cocaine into the United States.

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Speaker 14: And then you have the.

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Speaker 5: Former Chinese Chinese Oh I'm try to remember.

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Speaker 14: I mean he did crypto pardon hims.

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Speaker 5: He was running cocaine from Asia to the United States.

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Speaker 5: You cannot pardon two of the largest drug lords in

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Speaker 5: the world and then tell me that you're on this

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Speaker 5: war on drugs.

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Speaker 14: Hence why you are bombing boats in Venezuela.

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Speaker 12: Also, we have one of.

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Speaker 14: The best navies in the world, hands down, So you

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Speaker 14: mean to tell me that a Navy naval.

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Speaker 5: Boat could not go up there and just like they're

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Speaker 5: doing with the drug boast drug busts at the borders,

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Speaker 5: not seed all of.

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Speaker 14: These drugs, lay them out. Let the American people see

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Speaker 14: the drugs that we're taking.

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Speaker 5: That would be better for transparency. Unfortunately, I do believe

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Speaker 5: that we're there is going to be some legal issues.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you don't have the commander of Southcomb resign

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Speaker 5: because he did not believe and he was a I

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Speaker 5: mean he has been long term a conservative Republican because

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Speaker 5: he felt like what was happening was not legal. I

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Speaker 5: do think that there is going to be some potential

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Speaker 5: legal challenges. The war is happening, and I'm really hoping

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Speaker 5: that I really hope President Trump is sincere in this

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Speaker 5: and this is not about a bigger picture which involves

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Speaker 5: the oil and regime change in Venezuela and Entanglians and

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Speaker 5: just once again another dramatic outside of our border conflict.

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Speaker 2: All right, Scotty, before I let's go, fun question. What's

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Speaker 2: number one? I know your kids are not listening. What's

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Speaker 2: the number one? What's the number one ask on their

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Speaker 2: Christmas list? This year?

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Speaker 14: College tuition bill played.

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Speaker 2: That's always a good thing. Yes, I resemble that remark.

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Speaker 2: I've been there. I think you know this.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think you have that, and maybe a few

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Speaker 5: bucks on their on their Starbucks and Chick fil A cards.

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Speaker 2: But you are You're doing You're doing okay. You've got

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Speaker 2: one in college, one off to college. You're doing okay

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Speaker 2: with with this. You seem to be you seem to

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Speaker 2: be coping.

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Speaker 14: We're trying our best. Let's say that. So it'll be

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Speaker 14: an interesting year. But once again, these are issues.

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Speaker 5: I do believe Andrew real quick that we do need

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Speaker 5: to be addressing the young right rebellion that is happening

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Speaker 5: instead of just dismissing all of these young folks. They

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Speaker 5: are they are angry, they are passionate, they are questions

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Speaker 5: right what is going on with our country right now?

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Speaker 5: We as conservatives have to open up our ears. We

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Speaker 5: have to listen to them and not just dismiss them,

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Speaker 5: because if we dismissed it, the other party is going

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Speaker 5: to take advantage of it and they'll listen to them.

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Speaker 14: That's right now.

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Speaker 5: What we need to be doing is listen to your

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Speaker 5: children when they start talking politics.

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Speaker 14: Fear them out.

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Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely correct. You've always been good at

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Speaker 2: sizing these things up, Scotty Hughes, how do folks find

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Speaker 2: out more about the good things? How do they find

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Speaker 2: out more about the next the next phase in the

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Speaker 2: Scotty and l Hughes career.

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Speaker 5: Let's start off finding at Scotty and Hughes and that

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Speaker 5: would be a good one to announce. Stay tuned for

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Speaker 5: next week a couple of big announcements coming out.

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Speaker 2: There, you go. It's all big stuff. Scotti, thank you

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Speaker 2: so very much, Mary Christmas.

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Speaker 14: To take chriss happy. And Tony Katz thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, my dear. That was Scotty Now Hughes

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Speaker 2: go and check her out online and listen. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: be talking more about about Minnesota in a moment. I'm

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Speaker 2: Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today. You know, I

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Speaker 2: finally checked out that led Zeppelin documentary and it is.

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Speaker 2: It is fantastic. Just I think it's called Becoming led Zeppelin.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff. If you haven't seen it, I think it

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Speaker 2: may be on uh maybe on Netflix. Anyway, it's it's

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Speaker 2: terrific stuff. So go go and go and check that

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Speaker 2: if you listen, if you google twenty twenty five, the

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Speaker 2: Zeppelin documentary You're going to find it. I'm Andrew Langer

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Speaker 2: in for Tony Katz today on Tony Katz Toda. I

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Speaker 2: and you know, had this conversation earlier with John Justice

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Speaker 2: talking about what's going on in Minnesota, and it is

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Speaker 2: you know, it shows you how little things can blossom

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Speaker 2: into much bigger things that you might think are benign.

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Speaker 2: As I've said before on these airwaves, one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite aphorisms is the most well intentioned policies eventually bump

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Speaker 2: up against fair real realities. What happens if a state

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Speaker 2: like Minnesota becomes a the you know, the essentially the

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Speaker 2: American version of Mogadishu, you know, where you have so much,

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Speaker 2: so many Somali refugees that they become this massive constituency.

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Speaker 2: Could what could possibly go wrong when you have the

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Speaker 2: failed nation state there? And it's certainly something that applies

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Speaker 2: in so many other circumstances with other nations and the

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Speaker 2: refugee status that we we bestow on folks coming here.

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Speaker 2: But we've got this situation, Let's go ahead and play

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Speaker 2: cut number four. Their landing ice is ramping up operations

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Speaker 2: in the Twin Cities as well, and Garrett Anny watching

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Speaker 2: that for us, and where are we now, Garrett, Good

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Speaker 2: morning to you. Yeah, Bill, good morning to you.

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Speaker 8: Federal agents are now on the ground in the Twin

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Speaker 8: Cities focusing on the Somali community and anyone who is

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Speaker 8: in the country illegally. We know they have been stopping

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Speaker 8: some folks out on the street asking for their ideas,

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Speaker 8: also going door to door looking for specific individuals. All

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Speaker 8: of this, as you mentioned, comes after those massive fraud

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Speaker 8: schemes in Minnesota that involved mostly folks from the Somali community,

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Speaker 8: fraudulently charging the state more than a billion dollars for

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Speaker 8: social services that were never performed. When Congresswoman Elin Omar,

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Speaker 8: who's become the face of the Smali community in Minnesota,

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Speaker 8: was asked why the.

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Speaker 12: Fraud got so out of control, she said this, I think.

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Speaker 16: What happened is that, you know, when you have these

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Speaker 16: kind of new programs that are designed to help people,

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Speaker 16: you're oftentimes relying on third parties to be able to facilitate.

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Speaker 16: And I just think that a lot of the COVID

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Speaker 16: programs that were set up, they were set up so

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Speaker 16: quickly that a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of the we can end it there. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: from a public policy perspective. Listen, this is why you

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Speaker 2: don't make policy in a crisis, because it's invariably bad policy.

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Speaker 2: But to lose a billion dollars because of fraud, to

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Speaker 2: have going from an eighteen billion dollar surplus to a

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Speaker 2: massive deficit, that's not you know, a rounding error. That's

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Speaker 2: not because because of a new program implementation. That's because

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Speaker 2: people are ripping off the government. And when that money

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Speaker 2: is being funneled from the United States taxpayers, you know,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Minnesota taxpayers or American taxpayers generally, and into

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Speaker 2: the pockets of al Qaeda successors, that is hugely, hugely problematic. Listen,

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Speaker 2: let's quickly play this. I don't know if it's the

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Speaker 2: same the same clip. I'll go ahead play at number

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Speaker 2: six there, Landing.

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Speaker 17: Committing Somali immigrants in general, you in particular have been

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Speaker 17: the target of his attacks for a long time.

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Speaker 2: What's your response.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, I'm not shocked because we know that

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Speaker 16: the president oftentimes resorts to very bigot it's in a

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Speaker 16: phull bic Islam, a phull big racist rhetoric when he

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Speaker 16: is trying to escapegoat a scapegoat.

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Speaker 2: For all right, we can edit it from escapegoat because

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, no, no, no, it's

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Speaker 2: not it's not the Somali refugees that we're fraudulently bilking

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Speaker 2: the government out of millions, if not a billion dollars

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Speaker 2: and funneling that money to funneling that money to terrorist

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Speaker 2: groups overseas. Now, that is, that is, It's just it's

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Speaker 2: just happenstance. Listen. Next, we got Jerry Rodgers from Real

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Speaker 2: Clear Policy, Guy Bentley from Reason. Later on Beth Van

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Speaker 2: Dye and Marlo Lewis. This is Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 1: Live from Vall Hartliner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz Today. Well, hey there, everybody, I had

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Speaker 2: not Tony Katz. I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Today.

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Speaker 2: I think he's back tomorrow. I hope he is. So

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Speaker 2: glad I can join you and you can join me.

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Speaker 2: Love spending my time in Indianapolis and elsewhere where. The

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats Today Show is syndicated as well. Was just

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Speaker 2: out in India a couple of weeks ago. Had a

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Speaker 2: great trip, so much fun. Learned a lot about radio

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Speaker 2: Ligen therapy and the amazing stuff that's being done there

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Speaker 2: and the investment that Indiana is making in creating the

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Speaker 2: conditions where innovation is possible, because like if this doesn't

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Speaker 2: happen in a vacuum, want to make sure you all

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Speaker 2: understand this that that you know, America works over time

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Speaker 2: and has worked over time over the last two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty years to create the conditions where we can innovate,

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Speaker 2: where people can invest in themselves and their ideas. And

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Speaker 2: obviously when it comes to policy, it gets even more

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Speaker 2: in depth in that. And so whether it is the

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Speaker 2: Indiana University making investments or Purdue making investments, or other

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Speaker 2: major institutions making investments in in education where kids are

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Speaker 2: finding the right jobs, in the in the cutting edge industries,

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Speaker 2: creating the regulatory climate, which in my day job with CPEC,

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Speaker 2: that's a lot of what I do on the regulatory front.

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Speaker 2: All of these things are important. By the way, I'm

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Speaker 2: Andrew Langer. If if you haven't call win to that,

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Speaker 2: you can follow me on Twitter, on x at Andrew

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Speaker 2: Underscore Lang or find out everything that I'm up to.

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Speaker 2: It's been a banner week in terms of op eds

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Speaker 2: being published on a variety of things having to do

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Speaker 2: with healthcare policy, regulatory policy all it's all good. So

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Speaker 2: lots of things happening in the news. Obviously there was

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Speaker 2: a big, big story this week. I'm getting ready tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I do every couple of months, I do a like

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Speaker 2: a crossfire kind of show that's based out of Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: It's called Square Off, and you know it is it's

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Speaker 2: two lefties, two conservatives, and one of the topics of

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Speaker 2: conversation is, of course donald Trump's cabinet meeting is what's

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Speaker 2: going on with Donald Trump? Is Donald Trump rule? Blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. And Scott Bes sent our Treasury secretary,

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Speaker 2: got asked this and the New York Times thing and

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Speaker 2: he wasn't having any of it. Let's go ahead, land

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Speaker 2: and play cut number nine.

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Speaker 18: You had what was the greatest, one of the greatest

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Speaker 18: scandals of all time, that the coverage of the Biden

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Speaker 18: administration at your about for a second, hold on, let me,

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Speaker 18: let me, let me set this up, because I veril

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Speaker 18: is the first part of the clip isn't in there.

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Speaker 2: So he has asked about this about whether or not

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump fell asleep at the cabinet meeting, and this

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Speaker 2: idea that somehow Donald Trump is too old now listen,

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Speaker 2: we can have this conversation. I'm willing to have this

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Speaker 2: conversation in a way that our friends on the left

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Speaker 2: were never willing to have a conversation when it came

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Speaker 2: to Joe Biden, and you know Joe Biden's infirmities. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I would, even as they're both older gentlemen, stack our

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Speaker 2: guy against their guy, you know, seven days a week

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Speaker 2: and twice on Sundays. So anyway he's asked about this,

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Speaker 2: this is his response. Let's go ahead and play nine again.

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Speaker 2: There you had what.

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Speaker 18: Was the greatest, one of the greatest scandals of all time,

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Speaker 18: that the coverage of the bidenministrate, Joe Biden's diminished capacity,

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Speaker 18: and the cover up.

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Speaker 19: And that's why where it was in New York Times.

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Speaker 2: We just had a.

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Speaker 18: Three hour cabinet meeting yesterday, Andrew, for ten months, the

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Speaker 18: Biden administration did not have a cabinet meeting. How are

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Speaker 18: you going to invote the twenty fifth Amendment if the

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Speaker 18: cabinet secretaries never see the president, which they didn't that

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Speaker 18: you know, I hear from people in the Treasury Building.

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Speaker 18: Then I see President Trump more in a day. Then

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Speaker 18: my predecessor saw Joe Biden in half a year.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, he's out there, he's doing it. He's easy.

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Speaker 2: He's making these public, unscripted public appearances. Now, if there

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Speaker 2: comes a point where all of a sudden it comes

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Speaker 2: out that Donald Trump is on this full on script

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Speaker 2: and he's got flash cards with the questions that he's

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Speaker 2: being asked, and he's got flash cards that have the

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Speaker 2: pictures of reporters on them. Yeah, let's have the conversation.

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Speaker 2: You know, by the way, I would be I would

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Speaker 2: be perfectly happy if Donald Trump one day decides that

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Speaker 2: he's going to step aside and and JD. Vans would

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Speaker 2: be president of the United States. I would be perfectly

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Speaker 2: happy with that. I would be perfectly happy if JD.

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Speaker 2: Van steps aside and Mark our Rubia becomes president. Would

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Speaker 2: be happy with all of those things. All of those things.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we're gonna we're going to talk about Mark

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Speaker 2: Ruby in a second. But Bessent got pressed on this

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Speaker 2: here here he is talking about it. Hell, let's plick

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Speaker 2: aut number.

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Speaker 18: Ten, soll he'll call me Scott. I didn't wake you,

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Speaker 18: did you, No, sir, I'm always awake at Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: And we did the trip to Alaska.

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Speaker 18: We did a round trip one day, and we arrived

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Speaker 18: back the rest of the cabinet, Secretary of Rubio, uh

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Speaker 18: Secretary Aleutnik, and I, you know, our batteries are out.

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Speaker 18: We land the Ed Andrews, and the President's oh, it's

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Speaker 18: morning in Europe. Now.

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Speaker 2: I think we have spent.

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Speaker 18: Probably twenty hours in the air in Alaska, and he said,

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Speaker 18: let's start making phone calls and call the European leaders.

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Speaker 18: So we just sit on We sat on the tarmac

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Speaker 18: for two more hours while he made the phone calls.

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Speaker 18: He never stops working for the American people. All right,

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Speaker 18: that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: I want it, you know, it's it's funny. I am

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Speaker 2: reminded of one of the greatest Saturday Night Live sketches ever.

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Speaker 2: And obviously I've gone back and got back into that

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Speaker 2: well quite a bit because it is the fiftieth anniverse. Now,

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Speaker 2: it's the fifty first season, the fiftieth anniversary of SNL.

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Speaker 2: I cannot recommend enough By the way the documentary, Downey

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Speaker 2: wrote that if you love comedy and you love good

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Speaker 2: comedy writing, Downey wrote, that is fantastic. It's about the

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Speaker 2: famed SNL and David Letterman. Writer Jim Downey one of

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Speaker 2: the greatest SNL sketches of all time obviously has Phil

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Speaker 2: Hartman in it. Phil Hartman is Reagan, and of course

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Speaker 2: the idea is, you know that Reagan was out to lunch,

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Speaker 2: that his dementia had kicked in, that that he wasn't

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Speaker 2: all there, and and this sketch with Phil Hartman and

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Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan paints Reagan as not just engaged, but engaged

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Speaker 2: at like a super evil genius level. And I know this.

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Speaker 2: Obviously Reagan was not evil, but it is so good

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Speaker 2: in terms of how he does this, and and and

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Speaker 2: and he's able to speak Arabic, and he's able to

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Speaker 2: speak German, and he's able to do complex math. I

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Speaker 2: highly recommend it. Cannot recommend it enough. So we were

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Speaker 2: talking with Scotty Hughes. And by the way, if I

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Speaker 2: didn't say that, this week got a great hour coming

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Speaker 2: up on the show. We're going to be joined in

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes by Jerry Rodgers from Real Clear Policy.

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Speaker 2: We got Guy Bentley from Reason joining us. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about the neo temperance movement with Guy Bentley.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna want to stay tuned for that. Yeah, there

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Speaker 2: are people out there who literally want to ban alcohol

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Speaker 2: once again. But we were talking with Scotty Hughes about Venezuela,

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Speaker 2: and you know, Marco Rubio, I think I think has

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Speaker 2: has said it best. Let's go ahead and play cutt

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Speaker 2: number eleven land in oh So.

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Speaker 20: You know, it's interesting if an aircraft carrier of the

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Speaker 20: United States was deployed off the coast of Japan, or

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Speaker 20: was the coast in the Pacific somewhere, or was deployed

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Speaker 20: in the Mediterranean or in somewhere off the coast of Europe,

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Speaker 20: everybody would be happy because it would show America's commitment

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Speaker 20: to our security partnerships that we have around the world.

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Speaker 20: But somehow of an aircraft carrier and our naval assets

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Speaker 20: are deployed in our own hemisphere, that's problematic.

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Speaker 2: I would say that if you're.

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Speaker 20: Focused on America and America first, you start with your

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Speaker 20: own hemisphere where.

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Speaker 12: We live what happens here.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying things.

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Speaker 20: That are happening halfway around the world are not important.

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Speaker 20: I'm saying what happens in our hemisphere impacts us faster

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Speaker 20: and more deeply than something that's happening halfway around the world.

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Speaker 2: And I will say, I am much more happy and

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Speaker 2: supportive of actions like this, then shall we say putting

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Speaker 2: troops on the ground or enforcing no fly zones? That

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Speaker 2: just seems to be very problematic. Give you pushing using

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Speaker 2: the US military to push regime change real quick, because

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Speaker 2: I know we're up on a break. Here is the

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Speaker 2: chief of the DEA, Terry Cole, talking about some of

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Speaker 2: the other successes as Scotty Hughes was referencing the issue

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Speaker 2: of seizing drugs. Let's hear cut number twelve four hours.

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Speaker 19: The last twenty four hours, our host nation counterparts, our

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Speaker 19: federal task force have seized twenty thousand kilos of cocaine

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Speaker 19: that were destined for the United States, destined to the

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Speaker 19: United States to spread this poison that's being sent here

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Speaker 19: by these foreign terrorist cartels that are preying on our kids.

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Speaker 2: By the way, cocaine is a disease of too much money,

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Speaker 2: That's what it is. But you know, so we can

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Speaker 2: do these things. We can walk in chew gum at

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Speaker 2: the same time, we can seize drugs, tens of thousands

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Speaker 2: of kilos keys of cocaine, while at the same time

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Speaker 2: in de adicting ships that are out there listen. In

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Speaker 2: a moment, we got Jerry Rodgers from Real Clear Policy

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Speaker 2: joining us. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 2: Well we are back, everybody. I am Andrew Langer in

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Speaker 2: for Tony Kats today. I'm Tony Kats today. Thank you

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Speaker 2: all for joining me. You can follow me on x

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Speaker 2: at Andrew Underscore Langer l A N G E R.

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Speaker 2: Joining us right now. My good buddy, my best buddy.

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Speaker 2: His name is Jerry Rodgers. He is the editor of

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Speaker 2: Real Clear Policy, Real Clear Health, Real Clear Books and Culture,

880
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Speaker 2: Real Clear Menu Items. Jerry, what would is there anything

881
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Speaker 2: You're not editing it? Real Clear?

882
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Speaker 14: These days, I'm the jack of all trades, master of none.

883
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Speaker 12: How are you? Andrew dry fifty five?

884
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Speaker 2: I like the Lumper music, baby a little Sammy Hagar?

885
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Speaker 2: Are you missed the Zeppelin earlier? I should have had

886
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Speaker 2: land and hold onto that for you because Led Zeppelin

887
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: is Jerry's favorite rock band, the greatest band of all time.

888
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Speaker 15: Jammy Hagar and Robert Plant, by the way, are the same.

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Speaker 12: Age.

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Speaker 10: Is that crazy?

891
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Speaker 2: That is crazy? That is that is that is that

892
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Speaker 2: is that is kind of nutty. And I don't even

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Speaker 2: tell you man. I was in. It turns out like

894
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Speaker 2: I was like twenty five minutes from the bron yar Are.

895
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Speaker 2: I never can pronounced the cottage and whales when I

896
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Speaker 2: took my whales trip earlier this year. Yeah, if I'd known,

897
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Speaker 2: I would have made the pilgrimage down there. It was, uh, yeah,

898
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Speaker 2: it was.

899
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Speaker 15: It was where the black Dog apparently just wandered in

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Speaker 15: and famously or intimately they named you know, the great

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Speaker 15: song black Dog.

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Speaker 2: Right and from the cabin you can see the Welsh

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Speaker 2: Hills at Snowdonia, thus giving rise to over the hills

904
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Speaker 2: and far away. It's a whole bunch, whole bunch of

905
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Speaker 2: things that are related today. Anyway, this is not what

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Speaker 2: I was going to have economy.

907
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Speaker 10: I could talk.

908
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Speaker 2: Everything, buddy, Yes, I know you can certainly talk Zeppelin

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Speaker 2: with me. So but let's let's go here. We just

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Speaker 2: had Scott A. Hughes On. We were talking about Venezuela.

911
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Speaker 2: This Admiral Bradley was up on the hill today or

912
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Speaker 2: is up on the hill today talking about it. Where

913
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Speaker 2: do you come down in this issue of interdicting Venezuela

914
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Speaker 2: and drug boots and blowing them.

915
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Speaker 15: Up, destroy all of them, every last one.

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Speaker 12: This is another hoax, another distraction.

917
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Speaker 14: This is this is.

918
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Speaker 11: A deep state.

919
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Speaker 15: Play to disrupt and delegitimize the Trump administration.

920
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Speaker 12: It's working.

921
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Speaker 15: If the Democrats want to protect narco terrorist drug.

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Speaker 2: Dealers, let them do it.

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Speaker 15: I mean again, we have a president who is who

924
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Speaker 15: is securing the borders, going after bad guys.

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Speaker 10: And and you know, if.

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Speaker 15: You want to have this conversation, let's talk about General Kelly,

927
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Speaker 15: Captain Kelly rather, Captain Kelly, Senator Kelly, who again illegally

928
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Speaker 15: leaked information to the Wall Street Journal in this issue.

929
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Speaker 15: I mean again, the media is this is the problem.

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Speaker 15: I know that the legacy media is not as strong

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Speaker 15: as it.

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Speaker 2: Used to be.

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Speaker 15: But here's I give you an example, and not just

934
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Speaker 15: on this issue with the drug boats.

935
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Speaker 10: But the economy.

936
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Speaker 12: Right, Oh my goodness, affordability.

937
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Speaker 15: Affordability. Do you know that we had a record record

938
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Speaker 15: black Friday. It was nearly a ten percent increase over

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Speaker 15: last year.

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Speaker 2: And let's know, by the way, that that that was

941
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Speaker 2: massive defiance of expectations. You know, the National Retail Federation

942
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Speaker 2: was out there, Oh it's good. I don't know it's

943
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Speaker 2: gonna be gonna be We're not gonna be enough, not

944
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Speaker 2: gonna be as much this year, but ten percent over

945
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Speaker 2: that's amazing.

946
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Speaker 15: But my point, my point is is that on the

947
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Speaker 15: economy we get misreporting, misinformation. On what's happening with these terrorists,

948
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Speaker 15: these narco terrorists, we get half information, misinformation.

949
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Speaker 12: I'm tired of it. The Washington Post story that broke.

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Speaker 15: The you know, the double tap, go kill the guys

951
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Speaker 15: in the water.

952
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Speaker 12: It's untrue. And of all places, the New.

953
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Speaker 15: York Times proved it wasn't true by again with five sources,

954
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Speaker 15: and the Pete Hegseeth.

955
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Speaker 12: Who, by the way, we know this is a good man.

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Speaker 15: Yes, the fact of the matter is he said that

957
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Speaker 15: the Washington Post story was hogwashed. And I just understand

958
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Speaker 15: the shouldn't even be a story, right, This shouldn't even

959
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Speaker 15: be on the front pages of the news. But it

960
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Speaker 15: has to be because you know, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein didn't work.

961
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Speaker 14: Russia, Russia, Russia didn't work.

962
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Speaker 15: I mean, my goodness, everything they throw this guy doesn't work,

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Speaker 15: you know.

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Speaker 12: And so here's my hope.

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Speaker 15: Though the president needs to whether it's perceptional reality, he

966
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Speaker 15: does have to deal.

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Speaker 2: With the affordability issue, and he.

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Speaker 12: Can do that.

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Speaker 15: And you know, Vice President jd Vance yesterday gave a

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Speaker 15: really good argument as to why we're moving in the

971
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Speaker 15: right direction on the economy as well as in these

972
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Speaker 15: other areas well.

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Speaker 2: Right, and we're going to get into this with you, Jerry.

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Speaker 2: Our good friend Marlo Lewis is going to be joining

975
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Speaker 2: us in the last hour of the show with the Tory.

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Speaker 15: Marlo Lewis's father was the producer on the Ed Sullivan

977
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Speaker 15: Show who made the decision to fill Elvis from the

978
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Speaker 15: waist up.

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Speaker 2: I had forgotten about that. It's all all of these,

980
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Speaker 2: all of these little things that are out there. That

981
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Speaker 2: is that is that is amazing. I had forgotten about that.

982
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Speaker 2: So Marlo Lewis is going to join us to talk

983
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Speaker 2: about this White House event yesterday in which they talked

984
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Speaker 2: about the cafe standards issue.

985
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Speaker 21: This is.

986
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Speaker 12: Like the boats.

987
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 15: Just like the boats, you want to you want to

988
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 15: make America, Uh, the mobility great again, the American car

989
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 15: is great again. These cafe standards have have have created

990
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 15: a circumstance we were driving in little tin boxes.

991
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Speaker 12: Right, this is great, great news.

992
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but you know, somebody, Jerry, let's particularize

993
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: it for you, because it's not as though you have

994
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Speaker 2: a tiny family. You have a large family. You need

995
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: a car that can carry everybody, don't you?

996
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 15: And we do, and and again. It's it's ridiculous that

997
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 15: that for me to buy a uh an.

998
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Speaker 12: Odyssey or a or a suburban. You know, I have

999
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 12: the seven of us in my family. Yes, to buy any.

1000
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Speaker 15: Any one of those type of cars costs more than

1001
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 15: my parents when they purchased a home right back in

1002
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Speaker 15: nineteen eighty. A car should not bankrupt the family or

1003
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Speaker 15: put us in a hock for years and years and again.

1004
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 15: Cafe standards and this fetish with net zero that the

1005
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 15: Left has just placed on us has made it so

1006
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 15: mobility is challenged. Look housing, mobility, all these issues, college tuitions.

1007
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 15: Every time the Left gets involved and interferes in the

1008
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Speaker 15: market in these areas, it means higher costs and more

1009
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 15: pressure on an American family.

1010
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Speaker 2: So we're talking with Jerry Rodgers, editor of Real Clear Policy,

1011
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: editor of Real Clear Health. What's at the top of

1012
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: what you know? People go to Real Clear Policy today,

1013
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 2: what's the number one thing that should be looking at

1014
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: they go to Real Clear Health today, what's the number

1015
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: one thing that should be looking at?

1016
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Speaker 15: I mean, I think the economy, I think there's some

1017
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Speaker 15: real good pieces that real clear politics, the true nature

1018
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Speaker 15: of the economy, and if you go over to real

1019
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 15: clear policy, we're talking there about the about ice and

1020
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 15: about Afghans and about Somali's and whether or not you know,

1021
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 15: we should have a better vetting.

1022
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Speaker 12: Program in place.

1023
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 15: Again, the issues that matter most, and the good news

1024
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Speaker 15: that real coup politics, you know, which is.

1025
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Speaker 2: Different in other places.

1026
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Speaker 15: Here's my plug and that is you'll you'll get the

1027
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 15: best arguments from both sides, right right.

1028
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Speaker 2: Right, right hey, let me let me ask you this

1029
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: before I let you go, Jerry. And now I've of

1030
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Speaker 2: course forgot my train of thought. We had a good,

1031
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: good briefing from Charlie Cook yesterday. Are thoughts about what's

1032
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: going to happen in the midterm elections next year.

1033
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 15: I think that here I'm gonna be a contrarian.

1034
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 2: Please think.

1035
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Speaker 15: I think the GOP holds onto the House barely. I

1036
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 15: think they hold on to the Senate and I and

1037
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 15: we'll get two years, hopefully of productivity. This is why

1038
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Speaker 15: they want us to focus on the misinformation, on the nonsense,

1039
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 15: because the left is already about we have to we

1040
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 15: have to we have to really destroy the GOP in

1041
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 15: the midterms, and again facts are on I think the

1042
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Speaker 15: side of the president.

1043
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have been more concerned had Republicans lost

1044
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 2: that special election down and we got nothing.

1045
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 15: We were told, oh my goodness, it's going to be

1046
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 15: one percent going to lose. He won by eight nine

1047
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 15: right off in an off year. A couple of days

1048
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 15: at the Thanksgiving would give me a break.

1049
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: Right he did. He literally did better than I think everybody,

1050
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: everybody thought he was going to do. All right, well, Jered,

1051
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: listen when you and I you we need to we

1052
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: need to do a podcast together at some point in time. Uh,

1053
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: I know the world? Andrew, Yes, Andrew and Jerry saved

1054
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: the world. All right, man, take care. I'll see him Monday. Bye.

1055
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Speaker 2: That was Jerry Rodgers. He is the editor of Real

1056
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: Clear Policy, Real Cleare Health, Real Clear Books and Culture

1057
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: and a bunch of other things. And I do a

1058
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Speaker 2: lot of a lot of healthcare policy work with him.

1059
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: So it is it is always always good you know

1060
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Speaker 2: something real quick, we got this. Let's hear what Stephen

1061
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: Miller had to say about the US military defending interests.

1062
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Speaker 2: Let's play cut number thirteen. I think get more crystal

1063
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Speaker 2: clear than that.

1064
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Speaker 4: The mission is take out the boat, stop the drugs,

1065
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 4: keep this vessel and its cargo from reaching our shore

1066
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 4: using lethal means and our amazing military. The heroes of

1067
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Speaker 4: the United States Armed Forces did exactly that. President Trump,

1068
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Speaker 4: Secretary Haig Seth, and this entire government are committed to

1069
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 4: finally using our military to defend our people, our borders,

1070
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Speaker 4: our family, our culture, our history, our heritage to defend

1071
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Speaker 4: the United States. We're not going off running around the

1072
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Speaker 4: Middle East trying to build the democracy.

1073
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Speaker 2: We get in it there, Landon, listen, we got Guy

1074
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: Bentley from Reason who's going to be joining us. He's

1075
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Speaker 2: going to talk about the neo temperance movement. They're after alcohol.

1076
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Speaker 2: My friends, Well, when we come back, Welcome back, everybody.

1077
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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today. You can

1078
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Speaker 2: find me on Twitter. I still call Twitter at Andrew

1079
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: Underscore Langer. You can message me Facebook dot com slash

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Speaker 2: Andrew Langer Show. Very excited to bring our guests on.

1081
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Speaker 2: His name is Guy Bentley. He's a director of Consumer

1082
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: Freedom with Reason or the Reason Foundation. He also does

1083
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: some writing for Reason magazine. And you know, Guy and

1084
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Speaker 2: I have spent some time talking about these issues, this

1085
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Speaker 2: thing called the neo temperance movement or neo prohibitionism. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, guy, I just once again watched The Untouchables

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Speaker 2: the other day, and the message, obviously from there was

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Speaker 2: is that prohibition invariably leads to two greater amounts of crime.

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Speaker 2: And yet, for whatever reason, what is old is new again.

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Speaker 2: There is a movement around the world to declare that

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Speaker 2: there is no safe serving of alcohol. What in God's

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Speaker 2: name is going on here?

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Speaker 21: Andrew, good speak to you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me always.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it's an old collection of both public health.

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Speaker 22: Academics, you know, a favorite words public health, which I

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Speaker 22: remember being much misabused during the COVID era, namely for

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Speaker 22: our own good, but turning out to be without much

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Speaker 22: scientific foundation. What we find is that there's new sort

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Speaker 22: of crusadeens alcohol that listeners might have seen about changing,

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Speaker 22: for instance, the federal dietary guidelines to say that there

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Speaker 22: is no safe level of alcohol, which is completely untrue,

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Speaker 22: is being launched by mostly public health academics disproportionately from

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Speaker 22: Canada actually, strangely enough, and also from California. And so

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Speaker 22: we see an alliance between people who traditionally think you know,

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Speaker 22: alcohol is bad for you, you shouldn't do it, or even in.

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Speaker 21: Fact, the government should restrict it in some way.

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Speaker 22: And a lot of people who find that there is

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Speaker 22: a sort of you know, reason that the government should

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Speaker 22: nudge people along.

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Speaker 21: Into drinking less and restricting.

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Speaker 22: Their activities, and a lot of that is now found

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Speaker 22: instead of you know, in the early twentieth century America,

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Speaker 22: we had sort of the Women's Christian Temperant Union right

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Speaker 22: around you know, getting state span alcohol. Now they're in

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Speaker 22: the sort of ivory tower of academia.

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Speaker 2: How things change, and you think that it can't happen,

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Speaker 2: And yet we are right now waiting with baited breath

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Speaker 2: on the various government agencies to issue nutrition guidelines, and

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Speaker 2: there are folks putting enormous pressure on these agencies to

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Speaker 2: do just that. I mean again, I'm just shocked at

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Speaker 2: all of this. How close are we to having this happen?

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Speaker 2: And then why should people take this seriously?

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Speaker 21: Well, in one way, it already has happened. The World Health.

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Speaker 22: Organization has gone very much in this direction by claiming

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Speaker 22: that there is no safe level of alcohol consumption, which

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Speaker 22: again our own National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine,

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Speaker 22: which published a gigantic, blockbuster report at the end of

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Speaker 22: last year, huge report looking at all the evidence there

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Speaker 22: is on this and saying again what we've known for many,

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Speaker 22: many years, which is the moderate alcohol consumption.

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Speaker 21: Is in fact a recommended path for most people.

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Speaker 22: People who drink a moderate amount of alcohol live longer

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Speaker 22: than people who drink no alcohol at all, and they

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Speaker 22: live longer than people who drink.

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Speaker 12: A lot of alcohol.

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Speaker 22: So the World Health Organization has already gone down the

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Speaker 22: sort of anti scientific, anti alcohol path by claiming.

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Speaker 10: There's no safe level of alcohol.

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Speaker 22: But fortunately the Trump administration is withdrawing the United States

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Speaker 22: from the World Health Organization, so we don't have to

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Speaker 22: worry too much about that. But in terms of the

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Speaker 22: United States and the federal dietary guidelines, I think we

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Speaker 22: you know, it's probably in perhaps towards the new year

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Speaker 22: or sometime.

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Speaker 21: In the new year, we might get a decision on this.

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Speaker 22: But I'm optimistic that the Trump administration has now looked

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Speaker 22: at the evidence and hopefully will reject what's quite a

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Speaker 22: new and novel idea around alcohol. Not at least because

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00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 22: you know, again I bring back the COVID era, because.

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Speaker 21: Giving people just even with the best.

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Speaker 22: Of intentions, bad scientific advice leads to intended consequences. Even

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Speaker 22: if you want people to drink lessl thing they're drinking

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Speaker 22: too much.

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01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 21: You shouldn't lie that there is no safe.

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Speaker 22: Level of alcohol consumption.

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Speaker 21: Just tell people the truth and say it. Listen, drinking

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Speaker 21: too much is really bad for you.

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Speaker 22: That's the way you should go, rather than telling what

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Speaker 22: we would call a noble lie.

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Speaker 10: Around the actual risks of alcohol.

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Speaker 2: Amazing. We're talking with Guy Bentley. He is the director

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Speaker 2: of Consumer Freedom at the Reason Foundation. And because we

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Speaker 2: were talking about we just we're talking about alcohol, and

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Speaker 2: because we're on you know, I'm filling it for Tony

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Speaker 2: Kats and Tony's got his Great Eat, Drink, Smoke podcast wherever.

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Speaker 2: We haven't talked about red meat yet. But as I said,

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Speaker 2: we talked about alcohol. Let's turn our attention to tobacco

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Speaker 2: and some of the things that some of the Eastern

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Speaker 2: states are doing and why the folks who'll listen to

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Speaker 2: Tony show ought to be you know, for forewarned, is

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Speaker 2: forearmed as they say, the crazy way that they're approaching

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Speaker 2: trying to stop smoking by going after the nicotine.

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Speaker 22: Talk about this guy yeah, these are some really crazy

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Speaker 22: proposals coming out of local boards of health in Massachusetts

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Speaker 22: and a bill in the state legislature.

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Speaker 21: And what it is, essentially, Andrew, is a.

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Speaker 22: Way of grandfathering in total prohibition of all tobacco products.

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Speaker 22: So not just cigarettes, We're talking about your vapes, nicotine pouches, cigars,

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Speaker 22: premium cigars, all.

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Speaker 21: Of these would essentially be banned.

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Speaker 22: For instance, they would be banned for anyone who was

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Speaker 22: born on or after January first, two thousand and five,

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Speaker 22: for instance. And so over a period of years you

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Speaker 22: find that, you know, more and more people are caught

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Speaker 22: in that generational tobacco band.

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Speaker 21: So you can get to an absurd situation.

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Speaker 22: Where, for instance, in Somerville, in you know, twenty years

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Speaker 22: or whatever, you know, a thirty five year old will

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Speaker 22: have to ask a thirty one year old to buy

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Speaker 22: him a cigar to go to, you know.

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Speaker 21: That their friend's wedding. It's absolutely insane. It hasn't made

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Speaker 21: a lot of new national news yet.

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Speaker 22: It's made a lot of news with the Boston Globe

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Speaker 22: and a lot of the local press.

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Speaker 21: But it's a really insidious.

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Speaker 22: Form of because you get around the objection of well

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Speaker 22: if you have prohibition, now you're going to have a

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Speaker 22: huge black market.

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Speaker 21: You'll of course have a black market anyway.

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Speaker 22: It just essentially tries to dull the opposition to it.

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Speaker 22: And what I worry Andrew, is that if you get

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Speaker 22: this kind of really strange and weird, you know, restriction

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Speaker 22: on freedom for future generations, that they could ever have

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Speaker 22: the free choice as an adult to you know, buy

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Speaker 22: a cigar or.

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Speaker 21: A vape or a nicketine pouch.

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Speaker 22: That this will be exported from Massachusetts to other states.

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Speaker 21: And then used for other products.

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Speaker 22: That so if you don't care about you know, cigars

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Speaker 22: or nicketine pouches.

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Speaker 21: Or vapes, well well why.

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Speaker 22: Don't they just take the same approach to alcohol, gambling

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Speaker 22: or any other kind of you know, so called vice

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Speaker 22: product that people enjoy?

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Speaker 21: Right?

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Speaker 2: This is this is you know, it's so funny because

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Speaker 2: I've been trying to explain this to colleagues that we're

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Speaker 2: all about the snap benefits issue, and I get it,

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Speaker 2: you know want to you know, you know, if the

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01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 2: taxpayers are paying for it, you don't want to do X,

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01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: Y and Z. And I keep saying, listen, if we're

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Speaker 2: going to go down this road of making these choices.

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Speaker 2: Then what is to stop you know, the Gavin Newsom,

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Speaker 2: Pete Boodhage Edge whatever administration from coming in and declaring

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Speaker 2: a health emergency over red meat and all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden I can't buy a steak because of this or

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Speaker 2: whatever whatever product. I mean. This is, This is the

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Speaker 2: quintessential slippery slope argument. Isn't a guy?

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Speaker 22: It exactly is, and I think it's and meat red

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Speaker 22: meats a really great example because you can.

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Speaker 21: Make all kinds of ougaing arguments.

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Speaker 22: You can say, well, it's both bad for you help

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Speaker 22: wise and it's bad for the climate, so we will

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Speaker 22: pre empt and.

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Speaker 12: You know, will allow you to.

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Speaker 21: Eat it, but we're just not going to allow your

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Speaker 21: kids to eat it when.

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Speaker 22: You know, so current meat eaters will be saved, but

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Speaker 22: the next generation of meat eats will be you know,

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Speaker 22: preemptively ended. And that's just a ridiculous way for a

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Speaker 22: free society to run it up.

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Speaker 21: And so you could imagine just all over.

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Speaker 22: The place, anybody's pet hobby horse then eventually being grandfathered

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Speaker 22: into some you know, strange prohibitionist crusade. So I do

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Speaker 22: hope the efforts to sort of oppose these neo prohibitions,

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Speaker 22: particularly in Massachusetts with this generational tobacco band, which, unfortunately,

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Speaker 22: my home country, the United Kingdom, is now unfortunately sadly

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Speaker 22: leading the world in We used to lead the world

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Speaker 22: in quite.

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Speaker 2: A few other positive things.

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Speaker 22: Now we're leading the world in you know, the country

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Speaker 22: of Winston church or banning cigars is like a sad

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Speaker 22: state of affairs. But hopefully in Massachusetts, at least at

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Speaker 22: the state level, there'll be some sound opposition to this,

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Speaker 22: and hopefully we can prevent it spreading to other states.

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Speaker 2: All right, well there you go. Listen, guy, what else

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Speaker 2: are you working on? How can folks find out more

1259
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Speaker 2: about the good work you're doing and the folks at

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Speaker 2: Reason are doing.

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Speaker 22: Absolutely people can find the work I'm doing at Reason

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Speaker 22: dot org, where you know, I do a lot of

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Speaker 22: the work on you know, the issues you mentioned, sort

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01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 22: of neo temperance, neo prohibion, issues to do with alcohol, food, gambling, tobacco,

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Speaker 22: all that fun stuff.

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Speaker 21: But we also have a host of.

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Speaker 22: Policy experts and so on you deal with the issues

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Speaker 22: like education, pension reform, transportation, all that jazz. And also

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Speaker 22: at Reason Foundation we publish Reason Magazine, so that's our journalism.

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Speaker 22: Capability and Reason TV, which has a ton of great videos,

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Speaker 22: and also we have a ton of podcasts as well,

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Speaker 22: and that's mostly hosted at Reason dot com. And if

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Speaker 22: people are interested at all, they can also follow me

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Speaker 22: on X at the very imaginative handle of at g

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Speaker 22: Bentley one.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Well, listen, guys, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 2: so very much for joining us today and for the

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Speaker 2: work that you do. Best of luck, my.

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Speaker 12: Friend, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, thank you, appreciate it. That was Guy Bentley from Reason.

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Speaker 2: Go and check him out. What do we say? G

1282
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 2: Bentley one on X is doing great work and we

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Speaker 2: gotta be cautious about these things.

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Speaker 16: It is.

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Speaker 2: Insane to me that here we are in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five and there is legitimately a movement out there to

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Speaker 2: declare that there is no safe serving of alcohol. We

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Speaker 2: can't we can't have that happen. We're going to continue

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Speaker 2: to talk about this and also a great sleeper issue

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Speaker 2: coming back. You're gonna want to stay tuned for this.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer and for Tony Katz. This is Tony

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Speaker 2: Kats today. You know it's funny. I got my we

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Speaker 2: all get these. At the end of the year. My

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Speaker 2: preferred streaming platform for music is Amazon Music, you know

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Speaker 2: whatever it is, Amazon Prime Music, and I know other

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Speaker 2: folks get it through Spotify or what have you. When

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Speaker 2: you get your end of the year listings of what

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Speaker 2: your top songs were, and Lunatic Fringe by Red Rider

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Speaker 2: was up there, I want to say it was like

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Speaker 2: the hold on. Actually, you never do math on the air,

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Speaker 2: never look at these things on the air. But I'm

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Speaker 2: going to look at this right now. I want to

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Speaker 2: tell you what my what it was on my list

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Speaker 2: of songs. It was number seven of my top plays

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Speaker 2: of the year, out of all the things I played,

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Speaker 2: Number one by the Way Destination Unknown by Missing Persons

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Speaker 2: because it was one of these years where I was

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Speaker 2: I was doing that. But yes, number seven, Red Ryiner,

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Speaker 2: Ludatic Fridge Sandwich between Keep It Dark by Genesis and

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Speaker 2: Blackbird by the Beatles. Anyway, I'm Andrew Langer in for

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, so glad I could join you and

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Speaker 2: you can join me. We have this conversation in the

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Speaker 2: office yesterday. You know, I do my regulatory work at

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Speaker 2: Seapack and I don't even know how we got on it,

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Speaker 2: but they were talking about music, and we all were

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Speaker 2: sort of trading that, so I shared my list with

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Speaker 2: folks around. I do actually like that as part of

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Speaker 2: the year last year, because this is how I roll.

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Speaker 2: Last year, it was basically every song on the Merrily

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Speaker 2: We Roll Along soundtrack, which by the way, comes out

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Speaker 2: in theaters tonight. If you are a Sondheim fan. I

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Speaker 2: can't recommend this enough. Fathom Events is doing it Merrily

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Speaker 2: We Roll Along. If you're an oldster like me and

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Speaker 2: you're taking stock of your life, it is. It is

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Speaker 2: a very moving production. Merely we roll Along. Anyway, So listen,

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Speaker 2: I've said this before. I don't know if I've said

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Speaker 2: this on these airwaves, but you know, one of the

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Speaker 2: great failures of the first Trump term was their inability

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Speaker 2: to grapple with the fraudulent voter problem. And obviously it

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Speaker 2: came back in spades. It has come back in spades,

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Speaker 2: not just in the in the twenty twenty election, but elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: We're still seeing this folks who are not eligible to

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Speaker 2: vout unlesson I'm not saying that elections election results could

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Speaker 2: be changed. I'm not saying the twenty twenty election was stolen.

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Speaker 2: What I am saying is You can jar your own

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Speaker 2: conclusion there, but what I am saying is that we

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Speaker 2: need to have more secure elections and at the very

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Speaker 2: least we need to be going through the voter roles.

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Speaker 2: And they have done this in the first term and

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Speaker 2: they didn't. Well, they're doing it now. Here is the

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Speaker 2: Deputy Attorney General Hart Meat Dylan talking about the problems

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Speaker 2: that she's having. Let's plack at number twenty Big News in.

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Speaker 23: The last twenty four hours, the most popular story on

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Speaker 23: Justin News for most of the day today.

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Speaker 2: You and the Justice Department.

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Speaker 12: So it ensued six blue states.

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Speaker 23: For not turning over the voter role so you can

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Speaker 23: inspect it, make sure that they're not being that they're

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Speaker 23: not out of data, dead people and non citizens aren't

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Speaker 23: making it onto the roles.

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Speaker 2: I have a funny feeling you're not done yet.

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Speaker 23: Tell us where you are in the process.

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Speaker 12: Not even close.

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Speaker 24: Well, John, I really appreciate you continuingly, continuously allowing me

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Speaker 24: to come on and update the public because I know

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Speaker 24: there's a lot of frustration out there about why isn't

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Speaker 24: someone doing something. I'll have you know that the Department

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Speaker 24: of Justice Civil Rights Division has sent letters to all

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Speaker 24: fifty states, and we have actually actively engaged.

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Speaker 2: With over half of them. As follows.

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Speaker 24: We're now in litigation with fourteen states. So the six

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Speaker 24: yesterday included Maryland, Delaware, Rhode Island, New Mexico, Washington State,

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Speaker 24: and Vermont. That adds to eight we already had going.

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Speaker 24: We are close to reaching resolution voluntary cooperation with another

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Speaker 24: dozen states, and I won't say which those are, but

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Speaker 24: I think we will definitely let the public know when

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Speaker 24: that happens. We have voluntary cooperation from four states, and

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Speaker 24: we reached a settlement and consent to create with the

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Speaker 24: state of North Carolina that agreed to clean up over

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Speaker 24: one hundred thousand people on the voter rolls that were

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Speaker 24: there improperly.

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Speaker 2: And so that's over half the state's john that we're.

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Speaker 24: Actively engaged in either litigation or settlements with. And so

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Speaker 24: it's really good news for America, and we're going to

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Speaker 24: march through and make sure that we reach a resolution

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Speaker 24: with everybody.

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Speaker 2: Before we get This is so vitally important because we're

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Speaker 2: seeing more of these high profile cases. We got this situation.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason why Maryland's bound up in this

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Speaker 2: is that you had this guy, Ian Roberts, who was

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Speaker 2: appointed superintendent of the Des Moines Schools. And then it

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Speaker 2: turns out that not only was he an illegal immigrant,

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Speaker 2: he was an illegal immigrant who was charge with the

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Speaker 2: illegal firearm usage. And now, as we find out, he

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Speaker 2: was an illegal immigrant who had a voter registration active

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Speaker 2: in Maryland, so he was able to register to vote.

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Speaker 2: We are still trying to determine if he did in

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Speaker 2: fact vote. You know, it underscores this and I've been

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Speaker 2: explaining this to colleagues. This is hard work. Peeling back

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Speaker 2: what needs to be done, what needs to be peeled back,

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Speaker 2: engaging in the reforms that need to get done. This

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Speaker 2: is hard work. It is diligent work. It's not stuff

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Speaker 2: that can be done instantaneously. Any I was frustrated because

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Speaker 2: we didn't do it in the first term, but I'm

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Speaker 2: glad we're doing it now. It's like with the regulatory

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Speaker 2: reform efforts or with the work that Doge was doing.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's hard work. It's a process that gets followed.

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Speaker 2: You go after the bureaucracy, and you move from the

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Speaker 2: bureaucracy to the low hanging fruit in terms of regulation,

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Speaker 2: and then you move into where we can make actual

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Speaker 2: reforms and actually cut regulatory costs. Listen, we got a

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Speaker 2: great hour coming up of the show. We got Congresswoman

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Speaker 2: Beth Van Dyne. She's gonna be joining us from Texas.

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Speaker 2: Marlow Lewis from CEI. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz Today.

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Speaker 1: Live from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. Oh hey everybody, I am Andrew Langer and.

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Speaker 2: For Tony Katz Today. I'm Tony Katz Today. If you

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Speaker 2: want to join the conversation, you can at me on

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Speaker 2: x at Andrew Underscore Langer l A n g R.

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Speaker 2: You can also message me on Facebook, Facebook dot com

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Speaker 2: slash Andrew Langer Show. You know, I do regulatory policy

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Speaker 2: at Seapeck. I do a couple of different podcasts, one

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Speaker 2: with Jerry Rodgers who joined us in the last hour

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Speaker 2: Andrew and Jerry Save the World. Though he and I

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Speaker 2: need to do an episode soon. It's been a bit

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Speaker 2: because our schedules have been a little a little chaotic,

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Speaker 2: both of both of them. But yeah, come and check

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Speaker 2: me out on Twitter. Follow me there at Andrew Underscore

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Speaker 2: Langer to see everything that I'm up to. If you

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Speaker 2: like what you hear here, I guarantee you're going to

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Speaker 2: like the other stuff that I work on. We got

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Speaker 2: a great hour. We're going to be joined in a

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes by Congresswoman Beth Van Dyne from the

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Speaker 2: great state of Texas. She's got a small business regulatory

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Speaker 2: bill that I want to talk to her about. And

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Speaker 2: we're going to be joined by marlow Lewis, who works

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Speaker 2: at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. It's actually the think tank

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Speaker 2: where the aforementioned Jerry Rogers and I met many, many,

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Speaker 2: many moons ago. I used to work with Marlowe. To

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Speaker 2: talk about this event that happened yesterday at the White House.

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Speaker 2: The President brought in executives from the auto industry. Secretary

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Speaker 2: of Transportation Sean Duffy, because one of the things that

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Speaker 2: we've been talking about are cars. Now for many let

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Speaker 2: me let me set it up this way. I would

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Speaker 2: love it. I would love it if I could put

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Speaker 2: a thimbleful of gas into my car and have the

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Speaker 2: car go and on an infinite distance on that thimbleful gas.

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Speaker 2: But guess what, the laws of physics, the laws of chemistry,

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Speaker 2: they don't allow for that. And there are always pros

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Speaker 2: and cons with any kind of power source for a car,

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Speaker 2: and there are always tradeoffs, And the big thing with

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Speaker 2: my work is the issue of trade offs, the issue

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Speaker 2: of risk and how you assess risk. Right, what is

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Speaker 2: the risk of harm from climate change or what is

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Speaker 2: the risk of harm from air pollution from fuels? And

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Speaker 2: what happens if you trade the risk of air of

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Speaker 2: harm from air pollution from the burning of fossil fuels.

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Speaker 2: What happens if you trade that from the risk of

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Speaker 2: making cars that are more easily crumpled or are worse

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Speaker 2: off at protecting you? Right, we know that heavier cars

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Speaker 2: are better able to protect passengers. What are the risks

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Speaker 2: of having airbags in your car? Right? It's not it's

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Speaker 2: that they're without risk, but the you know, when you

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Speaker 2: make the trade off of having cars that essentially crumple

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Speaker 2: if you look at them wrong, you know, as opposed

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Speaker 2: to the old chrome monsters that used to come out

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Speaker 2: of Detroit, you know, is you have to have some

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Speaker 2: kind of internal protection device. So we invented the air bag.

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Speaker 2: And all of this, by the way, conspires to make

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Speaker 2: the car much much more expensive. Oh and you can't

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Speaker 2: have a car that and you can't make standards that

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Speaker 2: defy science. You know, it was one of those things

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Speaker 2: where a good buddy Mindy now teaches it. William and

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Speaker 2: Mary worked with me and Jerry at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

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Speaker 2: John Jonathan Adler, he's a professor at George Washington. We're

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Speaker 2: talking about fuel economy standards, and he said, you know, Andrew,

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Speaker 2: by the way, when you when you make a car

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Speaker 2: that's more fuel efficient, it actually produces more carbon, like

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Speaker 2: really goes yeah, because it is cracking that petrochemical molecule

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Speaker 2: more efficiently. So it is, you know, more efficiently converting

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Speaker 2: the the the whatever the petrochemical formula into the constituents

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Speaker 2: of things like carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Those things are going to get released much much more efficiently.

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Speaker 2: So there are always trade offs that are work. Here

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Speaker 2: is my point. At the same time, you're making things

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Speaker 2: more expensive, and obviously affordability is on everybody's minds. So

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Speaker 2: the it's you know, the the the car companies have

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Speaker 2: been talking about this and about the issue of the

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Speaker 2: electric fleets. I remember having a conversation with somebody in

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Speaker 2: the car industry about the problems they were having with

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Speaker 2: the Biden The Biden administration didn't even want to count

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Speaker 2: the gas electric hybrids like the the gas electric prius. Right,

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Speaker 2: the idea that you could fill up with gas but

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Speaker 2: then it would go further wasn't what didn't want to

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Speaker 2: count hybrids in these standards. But you know something, let's

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Speaker 2: before we get to Trump, let's hear what the CEO

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Speaker 2: of Ford Motor Company had to say. Let's play cut

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Speaker 2: number seventeen.

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Speaker 14: Is it victory common sense and affordability.

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Speaker 2: We're very proud of Ford to be the number one

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Speaker 2: auto producer in our country.

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Speaker 17: Eighty percent of the vehicles we sell here we make

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Speaker 17: in our country, right, and we never.

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Speaker 2: Left like many of our competitors. We're the number one exporter,

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Speaker 2: and we have.

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Speaker 18: The most factory auto factory workers.

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Speaker 10: All right, we can.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if it was also he had said it

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Speaker 2: was Sean duffyw s it's something about creating a fuel

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Speaker 2: economy standard where they wanted cars to get something above

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Speaker 2: sixty five miles to the gallon, which is just not

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Speaker 2: scientifically attainable. It gets into what happened with a diesel fuel. Right,

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Speaker 2: you can either have diesel fuel that burns more efficiently, right,

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Speaker 2: it gets converted into energy more efficiently, or you can

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Speaker 2: have it pollute less, or you can have it have

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Speaker 2: good power. But you can't do all three at the

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Speaker 2: same time. It is physically impossible, scientifically impossible. Something gets sacrificed,

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Speaker 2: whether it's power or efficiency or the making it so

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Speaker 2: that it pollutes less. And so when VW came out

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Speaker 2: and said, oh, we've cracked the code. We figured out

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Speaker 2: a way to have a diesel engine that is powerful,

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Speaker 2: that is fuel efficient, and it doesn't pollute as much,

1514
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: folks are like, well, that's really interesting. We want to

1515
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 2: know how you do. Well, it's proprietary, but here's the

1516
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 2: test data. And guess what. It turned out that their

1517
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 2: test data was falsified. Right, you remember this, You just

1518
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 2: can't make it do So the President, he had this

1519
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 2: announcement yesterday. Let's go ahead and play cut number fourteen.

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Speaker 7: Today, My administration is taking stork action to lower costs

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01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 7: for American consume, protect American auto jobs, and make buying

1522
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 7: a car much more affordable for accountless American families and

1523
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 7: also safe. We're officially terminating Joe Biden's ridiculously burdens some

1524
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 7: horrible actually cafe standards that imposed expensive restrictions and all

1525
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 7: sorts of problems, gave all sorts of problems to automakers,

1526
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 7: and we're not only talking about here, we're talking about

1527
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 7: outside of our country. Because nobody could do it, nobody

1528
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,440
Speaker 7: wanted to do it, and it was ridiculous, very expensive.

1529
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 7: It put tremendous upward pressure on car prices.

1530
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 2: Combined with the insane.

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01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 7: Electric vehicle mandated Biden's burdened some regulations help cause the

1532
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,799
Speaker 7: price of cars to sort more than twenty five percent,

1533
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 7: and in one case, they went up eighteen percent in

1534
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 7: one year.

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01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 2: Okay, let's stop it there. And there are reasons for this,

1536
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 2: right it is. You're making cars that have more expensive technology,

1537
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 2: and you're making cars where there is a is a

1538
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 2: penalty being placed if they don't have the right kinds

1539
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,759
Speaker 2: of fuel economy standards. By the way, that's what CAFE means,

1540
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 2: Cafe c AFI. It's an acronym for corporate average fuel economy.

1541
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 2: So they essentially look at the entire car fleet. You

1542
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 2: want to know why we don't have station wagons in

1543
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 2: America anymore? Some of you are aware of this. I'm

1544
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 2: certain I drove station wagons raising my hand. You can't

1545
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 2: see them on the air and I think my parents

1546
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: are listening. We were a station wagon family in the

1547
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 2: eighties and we had a diesel wagon first, and then

1548
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 2: that went to a town in Montana called Helena, that

1549
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 2: went to the Helena hand basket, and then we got

1550
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 2: a successor car that was a regular unleaded car. But

1551
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 2: those old land Boat Chevy, you know, GM station wagons, Well,

1552
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 2: at some point station wagons disappeared. People either bought SUVs

1553
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 2: or they bought minivents. I was also a minivan guy.

1554
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 2: I love my love my Toyota minivan. And what happened, Well,

1555
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 2: what happened is station wagons were counted as cars. Mini

1556
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 2: vans and SUVs are counted as trucks, so they're not

1557
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 2: counted in the same way under these cafe standards that

1558
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 2: were begun under Bill Clinton and then extended over time

1559
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: Donald Trump taking action. And so yeah, it's gonna have

1560
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: an in. We'll play more of these clips, but listen.

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01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,440
Speaker 2: In a moment, we're going to be joined by Congresswoman

1562
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 2: Beth Van Dyne. She's doing some really interesting stuff with

1563
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 2: regulations and small business. Want to talk to her about that.

1564
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats Today. We are back.

1565
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 2: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Kats Today on

1566
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 2: Tony Katz Today, and if you spend any time listening

1567
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: to me, you know that there are things that I

1568
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 2: am passionate about. Two of them are regulation and small

1569
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 2: business and reducing the regulatory burden on small businesses. It's

1570
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 2: what I do over at CEPEC and finding ways and

1571
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 2: innovative ways to get at the issue of regulatory costs.

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01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 2: Joining us right now, Iingresswoman Beth Van Dying. She's from

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01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 2: the great State of Texas. She's a member of the

1574
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 2: House Committee on Small Business. You guys had a big

1575
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 2: victory yesterday. I didn't. I don't think I ever realized

1576
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 2: that it was on the floor yesterday. But you have

1577
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 2: the Small Business Regulatory Reduction Act of twenty twenty five.

1578
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,799
Speaker 2: It passed the House. Tell us about it, what it does.

1579
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 2: Why you went down this road, Well, I will.

1580
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 25: Tell you I have been I appreciate.

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01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 2: You having me.

1582
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 14: I'm on WOIS and.

1583
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 26: METS, which handles tax issues, and I'm on small business.

1584
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 25: Before that, I was in there, and you know f

1585
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 25: fay or she do. Our focus was on economic development.

1586
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 25: Our focus is on working the small businesses in.

1587
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 26: Our community and recognizing the fact that you.

1588
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 25: Know, policies have consequences and fantastic you know, relationships to

1589
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 25: your business community.

1590
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 26: Guess what people invest there, they hire their.

1591
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:51,679
Speaker 14: And your economy growth.

1592
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,440
Speaker 12: And what he found was, over the years, we were seeing.

1593
01:22:55,160 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 26: This regulatory war, right, it launched on our businesses. When

1594
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 26: you start adding up the cost, it was incredible, it

1595
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 26: was crazy. And so I, as a freshman, I.

1596
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 25: Introduced this bill.

1597
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 26: This is a third Congress that I have introduced this.

1598
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 26: Finally we got to go on the floor and I

1599
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 26: am hopeful that we're going to be able to get

1600
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 26: this out of the Senate.

1601
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 12: But this is ever. I talked about this all.

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01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 26: On the campaign trial.

1603
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 25: I said, you were never going to find people talking

1604
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 25: about regulation sexy, you know, but it makes such a difference.

1605
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 14: I didn't know, right, I didn't know about the dose.

1606
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 2: I'm literally writing a memo, literally writing a memo to

1607
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 2: colleagues right now about that because some of my colleagues

1608
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 2: just don't don't get that issue. And to put a

1609
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 2: number on it, folks, because I have the press release

1610
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 2: in front of me and and you know, so regulatory

1611
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 2: costs essentially doubled under Joe Biden in the space of

1612
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: four years, they went from two and a quarter trillion

1613
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 2: dollars annually to about four trillion dollars annually, an increase

1614
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 2: of about one point eight trillion dollars. That is part

1615
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 2: of why we saw inflation appen, you know, when you

1616
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 2: made things more expensive than this is this is the

1617
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 2: end result, is it not?

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01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 26: This is absolutely right, absolutely right. And if we would

1619
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 26: have small businesses coming in at our witnesses and our

1620
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 26: hearings and they would tell you like, look, we are

1621
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 26: not we can't compete with the big corporations.

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01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 25: We don't have an.

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01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 26: Entire regulatory department. If this regulation goes in place with

1624
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 26: our said margins, this can beun the difference trends having

1625
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 26: to open our doors or close them, right, you know,

1626
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 26: hiring more people, expanding or actually going on.

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01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,599
Speaker 12: Of business and all.

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01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 26: This This bill does two things. One has the.

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01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 25: SBA, which is in charge of basically being the champion

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01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 25: for small business right the for small businesses across the

1631
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 25: country within the federal government. This has them identify the

1632
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 25: cost of regulations you just mentioned at one point eight

1633
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 25: trillion dollars in the last four years under the Biden administration,

1634
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 25: nowhere was.

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01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 12: It ever outlined.

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01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 26: So outline the cost. And then two, what we're trying to.

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01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 25: Do is codify the efforts during the first Trump administration.

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01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 25: For every every regulation to add, you're going to take

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01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 25: away too. This was making a valar a dollar for

1640
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 25: dollar comparison. So it's not just getting rid of a

1641
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 25: number of regulations, it's getting rid of the cost of

1642
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 25: the regulations.

1643
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 26: So if you're going to have a regulation that comes

1644
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:08,799
Speaker 26: in it that's.

1645
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 25: One hundred million dollars, you've got to figure out regulations

1646
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 25: that add up to one.

1647
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 26: Hundred million take off. It's got to be budget neutral,

1648
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 26: so you can't keep just.

1649
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 25: Adding layer upon layer of bureaucracy to our government.

1650
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 2: Our guest is Congresswoman Beth Van Dying from the Great

1651
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 2: State of Texas talking about these issues. I got two

1652
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 2: things to add to it for you, by the way.

1653
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 2: Number one is there should be a no net loss

1654
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 2: of time pledge when it comes to paperwork. Anytime they

1655
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 2: want to add fifteen minutes of paperwork burden to a

1656
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: small business, they've got to take fifteen minutes off it

1657
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 2: somewhere else. Because time is one of those things where yeah,

1658
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,879
Speaker 2: time is money, absolutely and there's an opportunity cost that's

1659
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 2: there because this is just direct regulatory cost, the four

1660
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 2: trillion dollar number, that's not the opportunity cost when a

1661
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 2: business has to make a choice. The other thing is

1662
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 2: we've got to get a handle on a compliance assistance. Congresswoman,

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01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 2: at some point, I it wasn't intending to sort of

1664
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 2: this as a way to lobby you. I'm going to

1665
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 2: have to. I want to come in and talk to

1666
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 2: you about the business compliance one stop. It's twenty twenty five.

1667
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 2: There should be no reason why you can't go onto

1668
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 2: an online portal somewhere put a few key pieces of

1669
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 2: information about your business, location, kind of business, number of employees.

1670
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 2: It should be able to spit out to you every

1671
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 2: regulatory requirement that you have to follow in plain English.

1672
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 2: And and you know we've we've been at this for

1673
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 2: twenty five years. I think both those things I want

1674
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 2: to get your your I find you agree.

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01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 20: I think that.

1676
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 26: AI AI will definitely help with that.

1677
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 25: Yes, you know if I if our federal government can

1678
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 25: actually figure out how to adopt you know that and put.

1679
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 26: That into our work. Oh, I'll tell you. I mean,

1680
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 26: look at what just happened with the gas.

1681
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 25: And the geo's investigation right and healthcare right that people who.

1682
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:52,520
Speaker 2: Are using make sure people understand come one.

1683
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 25: That was very simplistic if we've been able to do that.

1684
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 25: But you're right, it should be a lot easier. It

1685
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:01,520
Speaker 25: should be a lot more on user friendly for businesses

1686
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 25: to be able to follow these regulations. But when they're

1687
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 25: so complex and they're so a multi level, you can

1688
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 25: see why people get get in trouble easily.

1689
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 26: And we shouldn't be looking for aha moments. This would

1690
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 26: be to set up and make it easier to do

1691
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 26: business in the US and not harder.

1692
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, compliance, compliance should be the goal. If we all

1693
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 2: agree that regulations are supposed to exist to protect people,

1694
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 2: then making sure that we know how to comply with

1695
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,640
Speaker 2: those regulations should, at the end of the day, be

1696
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 2: the God literally just wrote this to some comments to

1697
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 2: the EPA about a paperwork rule that they have together. Congressman,

1698
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 2: what else is on your agenda? I mean, whether it's

1699
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 2: helping small business, whether it's on the tax side of things,

1700
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 2: whether it's generally helping your constituents, what else do you

1701
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 2: have going on?

1702
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 26: We're trying to right now, Affordability is an issue, and

1703
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 26: while You're trying to do everything that we can on

1704
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 26: our tax code.

1705
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 25: You know, we just passed one of the largest tax

1706
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 25: codes in our nation's history. We're trying to go after and.

1707
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,799
Speaker 26: Make sure that, you know, we can make it easier

1708
01:27:58,800 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 26: for energy.

1709
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 25: Producers, cheaper, you know, for people to buy energy. We're

1710
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 25: looking at trade deals right now. We just had jameson Greer,

1711
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,599
Speaker 25: our Ambassador for Trade, in front of our committee yesterday,

1712
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 25: talking to him about what we can do to make

1713
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 25: sure that our American businesses have an upper hand, you know,

1714
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 25: and in global competitiveness and that they are investing in

1715
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 25: the US.

1716
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 26: The other thing that we're going to be working on

1717
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 26: is making sure that we are getting rid of corrupt

1718
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 26: systems within our own government.

1719
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 15: Yes, and they have.

1720
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:28,839
Speaker 25: Been hiring foreign born workers over American born workers.

1721
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 2: That is that is amazing and it is exactly what

1722
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 2: you need to do to get down on these things.

1723
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 2: This is what you You just did a press release

1724
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. Representative VANDNT seeks to crack

1725
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 2: down an illegal immigration industrial complex by banning non governmental

1726
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 2: organization funding. Real quick talk to us about that.

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Speaker 25: Well, what we've been finding is that you have these

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01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 25: corrupt systems that are basically putting on a backbench folks

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01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 25: who shouldn't really even be in our country, but they're

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01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 25: being They are using these loopholes and laws to be

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Speaker 25: able to bring foreign board workers here at the expensive

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Speaker 25: American workers, and we're going to try to do everything

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Speaker 25: that we.

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Speaker 26: Can to realign that system. At the same token, we

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01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 26: also have to go after our education system when we

1736
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 26: are spending you know, billions of federal dollars to educate.

1737
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 25: Kids who can't get jobs, and yet having to bring

1738
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 25: in people from other countries, you know, to fill the massive.

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01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 26: Labor shortage that we have because we are.

1740
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 25: Basically, you know, having people graduate who are illiterate and don't.

1741
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,679
Speaker 26: Have a multiple job skills.

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01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 25: We have got to get that into alignment. So those

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Speaker 25: are the things that we're working on right now.

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Speaker 2: Amen, Well, we're talking with Beth Endin, she's congresswoman from

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Speaker 2: the twenty fourth congressional district in Texas. Before I let

1746
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 2: you go, when I do my podcast, my Deep Die podcast,

1747
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,680
Speaker 2: I ask them, you know, folks that I'm talking to

1748
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 2: about public policy about you know, their outside interests. But

1749
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 2: if they're a member, I say, okay, what's one place.

1750
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 2: If they're going to visit your district, where should they go?

1751
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 2: And I know you've got, you know, parts of Dallas,

1752
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 2: You've got parts of Fort Worth. We did the Fort

1753
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 2: were Worth st backyards back in June and loved it.

1754
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 2: Where would you want folks to go in your district?

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01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 25: Well, most people actually, okay, this is not necessarily where

1756
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 25: they go, but this is typically where they're.

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01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:10,879
Speaker 26: Going to go if they come into my district.

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Speaker 25: In my district center my district.

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01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 26: Is DFW Airport, And I know that a lot.

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01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 25: Of people don't appreciate everything about DFW Airport. I'm a

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01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:19,799
Speaker 25: good bias so used to be on the board.

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01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 26: Yeah, he's actually one of the more I.

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Speaker 14: Think on friendly airport.

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Speaker 25: They've got awesome restaurants, they've got a hotel that's right there,

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Speaker 25: and number five specially use American AirLand.

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Speaker 2: I know something. I flew through DFW for the first

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Speaker 2: time in forever twice this summer and had a great

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01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 2: time both times. It was it really is. It's like

1769
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 2: it's like a modern listen. I grew up in New York.

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01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 2: Laguardi Airport was a hole for many, many years and

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01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 2: then they finally beautified it. I will say that the

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01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 2: Dallas has outdone even the new LaGuardia, So congratulations on that.

1773
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 2: How do folks find out more about the good work

1774
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 2: you're doing?

1775
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 25: Best and we are on We're on obviously, we're on

1776
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:02,959
Speaker 25: EXCE on Facebook, We're on Instagram.

1777
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 26: Come join us. Best Vandyne v A N d u

1778
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 26: y and E Texas twenty fourth District. Come sign up

1779
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 26: for our newsletter. Come if you come to do c man,

1780
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 26: come visit your office.

1781
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 2: Hi.

1782
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 25: We literally on the seventh floor of long work.

1783
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 26: When you come, and I'm not kidding, people think I'm joking,

1784
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 26: jump out the window.

1785
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 25: We're on the top floor, has the best feeds of

1786
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 25: DC and it there we go.

1787
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Speaker 2: Ken, I'm going to take you up on a Congress

1788
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 2: one Listen. I really appreciate it, and thank you for

1789
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 2: being a small business champion. It's so vital, especially on

1790
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 2: these issues. So take care mainstream, absolutely, take care. Happy holidays,

1791
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:35,799
Speaker 2: have a great weekends.

1792
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 26: I'll mark Christmas.

1793
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 2: Thanks. So that was Congress one, Bet van Dyne, twenty

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Speaker 2: fourth Congressional District. That's Van Dyne, v A N d

1795
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Speaker 2: u y N, Beth Vandyne. Go and check it out. Listen.

1796
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 2: We got Marlow Lewis joining us in just a couple

1797
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 2: of minutes to talk about these cafe standards, what the

1798
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 2: president did. Oh when there was a funny moment, A

1799
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 2: funny moment talking about the former Transportation secretary. Yeah, his

1800
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 2: name's Pete bood Edge. We're going to talk about that.

1801
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langon. This is Tony Kats today. His name

1802
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 2: is Marlow Lewis. He's with the Competitive Enterprise Institute. I

1803
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 2: think he's consider him a good friend. I'm honored to

1804
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 2: be a colleague of his. He's also a musician of

1805
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 2: some note. And Marlow Jerry Rogers reminded us all your

1806
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 2: father was a producer on the Ed Sullivan Show.

1807
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 13: That's correct, Andrew. He was the original co creator of

1808
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 13: the show with Ed Sullivan. So he began producing the

1809
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,600
Speaker 13: show in nineteen forty eight when there was a television

1810
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 13: audience in Manhattan of about fifty thousand people, and they

1811
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:46,600
Speaker 13: had an initial budget I think of just maybe a

1812
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 13: one hundred dollars or so got it and many of

1813
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 13: the many of the performers performed for free.

1814
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Speaker 12: Yes, and.

1815
01:32:55,880 --> 01:33:00,759
Speaker 2: They were big name people, but so was Ketchikurian saber

1816
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 2: Dance was that on the on the turntable in your

1817
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 2: house growing up all the time, the one that never

1818
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 2: mind very obscure weird references. Today, let me go here, Marlow, sorry,

1819
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 2: let me let me write my own ship, because Tony's

1820
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 2: never gonna be back. Big news yesterday out of the

1821
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Speaker 2: White House. What I appreciated about the work that you

1822
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 2: guys do at the Competitive Enterprise Institute CEI dot org

1823
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 2: is the website, is that you are diligent, and you

1824
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 2: know the journey of a thousand miles begins with a

1825
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 2: single step. You guys have been fighting against cafe standards.

1826
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,640
Speaker 2: I know, yes, I quoted. Now, you guys have been

1827
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 2: fighting against cafe standards for a very long time, underscoring

1828
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,639
Speaker 2: the lack of a scientific rationale for them. That must

1829
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 2: have been a good, a good, feel good day for

1830
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 2: you guys yesterday.

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Speaker 13: Well, yeah, it was fantastic now you know. Of course,

1832
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 13: one of one of your good friends also is our

1833
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 13: former general counsel, Sam Casman. It's only former because he

1834
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:03,799
Speaker 13: eventually retired in his mid seventies. But he started fighting.

1835
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:08,759
Speaker 13: He started battling cafe, the cafe program, the corporate average

1836
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:13,679
Speaker 13: fuel economy program. I believe in the late nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 13: In the nineteen ninety two court case with the Circuit

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Speaker 13: Court of Appeals in Washington, d C. We had our

1839
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 13: first victory because what we said was that, look, the

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Speaker 13: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which administers the Corporate Average

1841
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 13: Fuel Economy Program, has the word safety in its middle name,

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01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 13: but they never consider the adverse safety consequences of fuel

1843
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 13: economy standards, which highly pressure automakers. At least, and especially

1844
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 13: at that time, the way the program was set up

1845
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 13: to achieve greater fuel economy by making the average car

1846
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 13: smaller and lighter and therefore less crashworthy.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I remember from the late eighties

1848
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 2: there was a novelty song about that. Now listen, I'm

1849
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 2: someone who drives. I'm a wholly un subsidiary of Toyta

1850
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 2: Motor Corporation. My family drives exclusively Toyota cars, so I'm

1851
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 2: with that in mind, I'm going to say this. There

1852
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 2: was a song called you Never Have a Wreck in

1853
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 2: a Japanese Car, and it was basically about a guy

1854
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 2: who'd gotten into a minor fender bender and wound up

1855
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 2: in the hospital. Because of what was happening with cars

1856
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 2: at the time I was talking about this, there are

1857
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 2: always trade offs, and there's always limitations in science as well,

1858
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 2: and these fuel economy standards, ever increasing, seem to ignore

1859
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 2: just the limits of physics and chemistry, didn't they.

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01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:47,679
Speaker 13: Well, yes, that, I mean, we all know that driving

1861
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 13: around in the tank will give you more protection than

1862
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 13: driving in a go cart, right, And so they eventually,

1863
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 13: at first they just denied that there was any relay,

1864
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 13: any eyes safety trade off, because not only do heavier

1865
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 13: cars have more mass to absorb collision force, right, but

1866
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 13: bigger cars provide you with more space between the point

1867
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 13: of impact and your rib cage or your skull. So

1868
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 13: they denied it for years. Oh no, there's no there's

1869
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 13: no trade off here. And then when they were finally

1870
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 13: forced to admit it, and these were not trivial casualty numbers.

1871
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 13: By some estimates, the CAFE program had added about fifty

1872
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 13: thousand fatalities to you know, to the to US casualty

1873
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 13: statistics over a period of several years. But anyway, so

1874
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 13: then they came up with something called the footp method,

1875
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 13: where the which was in other words, that the basically

1876
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 13: the area underneath the car determined by the position of

1877
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 13: the four wheels would create a separate category for those vehicles,

1878
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 13: and they would have to meet a fuel economy requirement

1879
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 13: within that category or footprint vehicle footprint as they called it.

1880
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 13: And so that alleviated the pressure to downsize, because in

1881
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 13: other words, you couldn't achieve fuel economy standards just by downsizing,

1882
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 13: because all that would mean is that now your car

1883
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 13: would be lighter, and so then you would have a

1884
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 13: new more stringent fuel economy standard because you fell within

1885
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 13: the lower footprint category. However, it still was the case

1886
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 13: that the most economical way to improve the fuel economy

1887
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 13: of any car of whatever footprint was to make it lighter,

1888
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 13: of course, and to make it smaller, and so there

1889
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 13: was still that pressure to reduce the size of a car.

1890
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 13: One of the side effects of this, of course, at

1891
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 13: the start of the program was that it described basically

1892
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:03,759
Speaker 13: destroyed the market for UH station wagons, which then literally

1893
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 13: family car, you know, because the R All right, So

1894
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:11,520
Speaker 13: what happened was there was there was a less demanding,

1895
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 13: less restrictive fuel economy requirement for trucks, yes, and so

1896
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 13: what people did was, well, they said, okay, we can't

1897
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 13: we can't afford to buy these these station wagons anymore,

1898
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:27,400
Speaker 13: because it would really cost a fortune to have a

1899
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 13: big station wagon meet these new fuel economy standards.

1900
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Speaker 2: So we'll buy SUVs.

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01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 13: Because those those are not those are not deemed to

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01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 13: be passenger cars. And so then one of the one

1903
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:41,720
Speaker 13: of the side effects of that is that vehicles that

1904
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 13: were originally designed to be trucks, that is to say,

1905
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:50,759
Speaker 13: for off road adventures and for hauling, then became passenger

1906
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 13: vehicles by default.

1907
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 25: You know.

1908
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 13: And then and then then you had the scolds, the

1909
01:38:55,880 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 13: fuel economy skulds railing against the suv, you know, because

1910
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 13: they because they didn't have the same fuel economy or

1911
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 13: the passenger cars. But the popularity the suv was directly

1912
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:14,640
Speaker 13: created by that, by the decimation of the market for

1913
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 13: station wagons caused by the fuel economy program.

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01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 2: They didn't want to go down this road. So let's

1915
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:22,759
Speaker 2: talk about the other side of this, which came out yesterday,

1916
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 2: the discussion of affordability. I think I've already seen one

1917
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 2: story again to go back to Toyota about Toyota finally

1918
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 2: bringing back the small entry level high lux pickup truck.

1919
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 2: Doesn't need all the bells and whistles as something else

1920
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,959
Speaker 2: let's talk about the affordability issue and how the mandates

1921
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 2: drive up the cost of a of a car.

1922
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:48,640
Speaker 13: Yes, well, there the Department of Transportation is estimating that

1923
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 13: it's roll back of the fuel economy requirements, which which

1924
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,600
Speaker 13: we can get into in a moment if you want to.

1925
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 13: But that will that will basically avoid about nine hundred

1926
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 13: dollars in cost purchase cost per vehicle.

1927
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 12: Wow. And and now you know, the thing is that.

1928
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Speaker 13: There there have been, there has been so much ratcheting

1929
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 13: up of the costs of vehicles and to produce them

1930
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 13: by various regulatory requirements, including especially I think the fuel

1931
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:25,559
Speaker 13: economy requirements over the decades, that the average vehicle today,

1932
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 13: the average new vehicle is something I've forgot. It's I've

1933
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 13: forgotten exactly, I think, but it's over forty thousand dollars.

1934
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 13: And so already a whole bunch of middle income households

1935
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 13: are priced out of the market vehicles. I know that

1936
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 13: we the Lewis household hasn't had a new car in

1937
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 13: just decades, and we we keep buying used cars because

1938
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 13: we you know, that's that's what we can afford. But

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Speaker 13: but the thing is so that every time that they

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Speaker 13: lay on another regulatory requirement like for example, the Biden

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Speaker 13: administrations of the Vehicle Program estimated, and it's it's the

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Speaker 13: Biden administration's own estimate, which is probably on the low side,

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Speaker 13: estimated that automakers would have to spend seven hundred and

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Speaker 13: sixty billion dollars wow, over a twenty I think it

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Speaker 13: was a twenty one year period, or maybe it was,

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Speaker 13: maybe it was twenty six. But seven hundred and sixty

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Speaker 13: billion dollars to comply. Well, gets who ends up paying

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Speaker 13: the freight for that?

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Speaker 12: Right right?

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Speaker 2: Right, right? So another three quarters of a trillion dollars

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Speaker 2: added on to the consumer costs. I mean, Marlow again,

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Speaker 2: big kudos to you guys as CEI. You're doing the work,

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Speaker 2: you're taking your time to do it. Big congratulations on this,

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Speaker 2: my friend.

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Speaker 13: Well, thank you so much, Andrew. And you know you

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Speaker 13: you were you're a CEI, a competitive enterprise, this suit alum.

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Speaker 13: So you yes you can, you have a share in

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Speaker 13: the in the in the reflected glory, all right. But yeah,

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Speaker 13: and also I congratulate you on your taste in music,

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Speaker 13: Bob Tiger, you know get the better.

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Speaker 2: Than I gotta love that. Listen. All I know is

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Speaker 2: My dad's listening right now, and I'm saying this because

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Speaker 2: I know he's gonna ask me about it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: start lobbying early Marlow to be the MC of next

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Speaker 2: year's next year's annual gala dinner. It's at CEI. I'm

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Speaker 2: putting I'm putting it in now, planting my flag. I

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Speaker 2: wanna I want to MC the dinner next year.

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Speaker 13: Well great, and I will definitely if to the extent

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Speaker 13: that I vote on the matters here at CEI, I

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Speaker 13: will to vote in your favor.

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Speaker 2: I know, listen, I would, I would say I would,

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Speaker 2: I would, I would race, I would race Kent across

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Speaker 2: the English channel. But that is never going to happen.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, Marlo listen. Happy holidays to you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Andrew, take care. Marlo lewis from

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Speaker 2: the Competitive Enterprise Institute CEI dot org is the website.

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Speaker 2: Check them out. They do great work on these regulatory issues. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they're near and dear to my heart, they are so

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Speaker 2: vitally important. We're going to talk about Trump's moment with

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Speaker 2: Sean Duffy about Pete bood Edge Edge in justin listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm on an Indiana station, you know or nowhere syndicated,

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Speaker 2: but you know broadcastings originating from an Indiana station. People

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Speaker 2: foot to engineer and dear to everybody's hearts. Here, I'm

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Speaker 2: Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today. You know it's

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Speaker 2: funny and Landon and I coordinated this better. We would

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Speaker 2: have we would have played I Can Drive fifty five

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Speaker 2: when we started talking about the car stuff. We would

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Speaker 2: have played Yeah, anyway, would have been would have been

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Speaker 2: good Land and the LEDs up and with Jerry. We'll

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Speaker 2: get this at some point. I will get this down.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer. Everybody, Hi, how are you all doing?

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Speaker 2: You know you can check me out at Andrew underscore

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Speaker 2: Langer on Twitter. I obviously don't do radio full time.

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Speaker 2: I do love it, though I do policy work, which

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Speaker 2: is what we've talked about with Marlowe, we were talking

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Speaker 2: about with a Beth Van Dyne.

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Speaker 16: But you know.

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Speaker 2: I do take both seriously. But if you want to

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Speaker 2: find out what I'm up to on the regulatory front,

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Speaker 2: on the policy front, at the intersection of healthcare and

2001
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Speaker 2: regulatory policy, check out my Twitter feed and Andrew underscore Langer.

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Speaker 2: We may do a deeper dive interview with Congresswoman Van Dine.

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Speaker 2: I do a podcast called The Lunch Hour through an

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Speaker 2: outfit called the Federal News Wire. Those clips I tend

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Speaker 2: to tweet out. You'll see those once a week, thirty

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Speaker 2: to forty five minutes about weighty public policy issues. Well,

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Speaker 2: we'll take thirty seconds and explain that. Politics, to me

2008
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Speaker 2: is the art of getting things elected. It's the it's

2009
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Speaker 2: the horse trading that goes on when you're getting legislation passed.

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Speaker 2: But the policy side of it, which is how we

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Speaker 2: go about solving the problems that are out there, that's

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Speaker 2: always been much much more interesting to me. You know,

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Speaker 2: how do you what are the problems that we've identified

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Speaker 2: in society, and how do you go about solving those problems?

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Speaker 2: You know, we want to make a climate that is

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Speaker 2: more small business friendly. What do we need to do

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Speaker 2: to make it easier for businesses to form and for

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Speaker 2: businesses to thrive and grow, et cetera. Those are the

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Speaker 2: things that interest me. You know, the issue of affordabil

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Speaker 2: it's fundamentally a public policy issue. People use it for politics.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear from President Trump on this. Let's play cut

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Speaker 2: number sixteen. It's all about affordability all about it. They

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Speaker 2: never talk about it, like the specifics. Everything was through

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Speaker 2: the roof.

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Speaker 6: Eggs when I cook over, eggs were four times higher

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Speaker 6: than they ever were.

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Speaker 7: We got the prices down to the lowest level.

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Speaker 2: I mean, amazing.

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Speaker 6: But they never you got to watch they're great con people.

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Speaker 6: It's like the Inflation Reduction Act. And after they got

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Speaker 6: it approved, because everybody said inflation reduction, they admitted it

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Speaker 6: had nothing to do with producing inflation.

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Speaker 2: It was all about say kind of weeping end it there.

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Speaker 2: But then the Ford CEO in the wake of this

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Speaker 2: was on Fox I think this morning and literally talking

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Speaker 2: about what they were able to do. Let's play cut

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Speaker 2: number eighteen.

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Speaker 17: It's a really important improvement for US customers. What you

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Speaker 17: should know is that this is a victory for affordability

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Speaker 17: and common sense.

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Speaker 2: As the President said, you.

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Speaker 17: Know, we will be able to offer more affordability on

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Speaker 17: our popular models, and we'll be able to launch new

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Speaker 17: vehicles build in America that are more affordable because of

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Speaker 17: this rule change. Frankly, Cafe was totally out of touch

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Speaker 17: with the market reality.

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Speaker 2: We were forced to sell evs and other vehicles. We're

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Speaker 2: not going back to.

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Speaker 17: Gas gelzers We have a lot of evs and a

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Speaker 17: lot of hybrids at Ford. But now customers get a

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Speaker 17: chance to choose what they want, not buy what we

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Speaker 17: force on them.

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Speaker 2: Right, you want something that's reliable, that is affordable, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. That you know, instead of making all these cars, right,

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Speaker 2: when you make a bunch of cars that nobody wants,

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Speaker 2: it drives up the cost of everything else. But there

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Speaker 2: was this moment yesterday with Trump and Sean Duffy, Tress

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Speaker 2: Secretary of Transportation. Let's play out number nineteen. What was

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Speaker 2: contrary to the law of the Congress cent a rule

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Speaker 2: that says you have to look at combustion engines.

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Speaker 20: Biden and Buddha Judge actually did an analysis use edge

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Speaker 20: edge Judge, right, Judge.

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Speaker 14: Used evs and hybrids to come up with So you.

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Speaker 2: Know, listen, if that had been Joe Biden, Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: would have butchered it entirely. I mean, Joe Biden would

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Speaker 2: have you would have said, you know, we would have

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Speaker 2: said Buddha Judge, and Joe Biden would have said, oh no,

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Speaker 2: it's a transportation secretary. Is Ray Donovan right? It would

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Speaker 2: have been pulls out somebody who is dead and long

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Speaker 2: gone and buried. And by the way, the media would

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Speaker 2: have completely and blithely ignored it. But the president, you know,

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Speaker 2: he says this. The President makes a quip. Oh, they'll

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Speaker 2: they'll probably find some way to spin that, you know,

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Speaker 2: say that he's like Admiral remember Admiral Stockdale from the

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two presidential elections.

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Speaker 12: Who am I?

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Speaker 2: You know, on the stage. They're going to say that

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Speaker 2: there's something wrong with Donald Trump because he introducted about

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Speaker 2: boot edge edge. So listen, That've been a nice little

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Speaker 2: moment yesterday, a moment of levity, which to me is

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Speaker 2: a good sign in all of these things. I want

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Speaker 2: to I want to say, once again, as always, thank

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Speaker 2: you so very much to the folks here at Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz's home studio, Matthew of course, and Tony for inviting me,

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Speaker 2: Landon for doing his great production as always and putting

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Speaker 2: up with my nonsense. Thank you, sir. We got it,

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Speaker 2: We got it done. We got it done today Landon,

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Speaker 2: as I said, you want to find me, find what

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Speaker 2: I'm up to Facebook dot com, slash Andrew langer Show,

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Speaker 2: but also at Andrew Underscore langer on X have a

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Speaker 2: great Christmas season. Guys, have fun and stay safe.