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Speaker 1: like I'm in the rhythm there, and it's psychological.

437
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Speaker 4: Hit the links yet to get you ready for the

438
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Speaker 4: Fan Invitational go outing.

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Speaker 1: The weather just broke and I anticipate that next week

440
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Speaker 1: is when the season will begin. Although I haven't gotten

441
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Speaker 1: the text yet from anybody, so maybe that tells me

442
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Speaker 1: everything I need to know. If anybody's in my golf group,

443
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: go ahead and send me a text let me know

444
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Speaker 1: if we're geting underway here at any point. But April thirtieth,

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Speaker 1: I know for sure I'll be touched the golf Club

446
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: because the Legends Golf Club Fan Invitational golf Outing is

447
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: underway on the thirtieth, ten thirty in the morning till

448
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: little after five.

449
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Speaker 2: And this is all going to be.

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Speaker 1: At the Legends, which is a fabulous, beautiful course. What

451
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Speaker 1: better way to start your golf season than April thirtieth

452
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Speaker 1: at the Fan Golf Outing presented by Franciscan Health and

453
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Speaker 1: benefiting the Franciscan Health Foundation, which I love because not

454
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Speaker 1: only do you get to come and hang out and

455
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Speaker 1: meet everybody and play golf, but at the same time

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Speaker 1: they will have health screeners there. They'll have people there

457
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Speaker 1: to answer your questions that you might have about perhaps

458
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Speaker 1: the physical you had something looked abnormal you didn't want

459
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Speaker 1: to ask anybody about it. Franciscan's going to be there

460
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Speaker 1: to answer all of your questions, and all of it

461
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Speaker 1: is going to benefit Franciscan Health. We will be there

462
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Speaker 1: again April thirtieth at the Legends Golf Club. You can

463
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Speaker 1: find all of the information and we would love to

464
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Speaker 1: have you as a foursome or an individual either one

465
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Speaker 1: at one oh seven to five to the Fan dot

466
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Speaker 1: Com when we come back. There is news in the

467
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Speaker 1: NBA that is right there on the horizon, and again

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Speaker 1: I think it's good news for or Indiana and the pacers.

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Speaker 2: I'll explain next.

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Speaker 5: You're Zang again with the ball in his hands in

471
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Speaker 5: the pay Cloder short got it bad times.

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Speaker 6: With three, Gonzaga has time to do something. It sucks

473
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Speaker 6: for the win. Yes, U believable. The fixt season remains on.

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Speaker 7: Go are you? Oh my god? There are are you

475
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 7: stipping that? There are nature? What a kiss?

476
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 7: One of the great games.

478
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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to change in Final four history?

479
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Speaker 1: What are the great moments in NCAA tournament history? Jalen

480
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: Suggs with that shot that lifted Gonzaga into the National

481
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Speaker 1: Championship game where they.

482
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Speaker 2: Lost to Baylor.

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Speaker 1: And of course that crowd reaction that you heard was

484
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Speaker 1: pumped in audio because that was the COVID tournament that

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Speaker 1: took place, with the entire NCAA tournament taking place in Indianapolis.

486
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: And every time I think of that tournament and mention it,

487
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: I will always mention that when all of the teams,

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Speaker 1: and it is amazing to think that every team in

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Speaker 1: the tournament was housed here in Indianapolis. And I asked

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Speaker 1: numerous people downtown in the hospitality industry, which school jumps

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Speaker 1: out to you as the one that had the most

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Speaker 1: polite players and staff, And almost unanimously everyone said Villanova,

493
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Speaker 1: the Villanova team was the team that cleaned up after themselves,

494
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: thanked everybody, super courteous, super kind. Not to say other

495
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: teams don't have that, but Jay Wright certainly class act.

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Speaker 1: By the way, also class act Prime forty seven because

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Speaker 1: tomorrow look forward, looking super forward to this and I

498
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Speaker 1: want to make clear on this tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we've done this now.

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Speaker 1: I was there last year as well, and it is awesome,

501
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: absolutely awesome at Prime forty seven when you know the

502
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: fast Break Friday essentially and this is sold out for

503
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Speaker 1: everybody that's going to be there. But that's not to

504
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Speaker 1: say you can't come by, and I want to get

505
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Speaker 1: to that.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: March Mad is kicking off. Of course, games is getting

508
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Speaker 1: underway today and tomorrow and for Fast Break Friday tomorrow,

509
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Speaker 1: the awesome event that benefits Pacers Foundation has Greg Guz

510
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: Vodka tealing whiskey. There's going to be a Papa Shot

511
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: tournament there and then everybody at their table is going

512
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: to be able to enjoy the fantastic food from front

513
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: excuse me, from Prime forty seven, including the lobster mac

514
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Speaker 1: and cheese, which is a signature there. Brad and the

515
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: group over there, awesome people, absolutely awesome people. But if

516
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: you want to come by, even though it's sold out

517
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: for the tables, you can come by to say hi.

518
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: When I'm broadcasting tomorrow from noon until three. And when

519
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: you come by and they're going to have all the

520
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: games on and everything else, I mean, there's gonna be

521
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Speaker 1: a ton of stuff there. There is a standing room

522
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: access area towards the are for a seventy five dollars

523
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: donation to Franciscan Health, so you can come by and

524
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: say hi if you choose. Now, speaking of Prime forty

525
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: seven and that being the prime place to be before

526
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: Pacer games or any event downtown, obviously, it got me

527
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: thinking about this NBA expansion, and the one thing that

528
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Speaker 1: we know about the NBA is, you know, the vote

529
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Speaker 1: is coming eminently on an expansion of two teams, the

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Speaker 1: Seattle Sonics and well, I assume it's going to be

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Speaker 1: the Sonics, the city of Seattle and the city of

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Las Vegas is an interesting one because for years,

533
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Speaker 1: for years, the NBA, the NFL, major League Baseball, all

534
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Speaker 1: of it gambling was the unspoken uncle that you didn't

535
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: talk about at Thanksgiving, right, and nobody wanted to admit

536
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: the connection between sport and gambling at the professional level.

537
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: You know, I've told the story before just about teams

538
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: and the awareness of even staying if in areas that

539
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: hotels that had a casino or a sports book in it,

540
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: making sure that you were not involved with that, so

541
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Speaker 1: there wasn't any sort of perception or misconception of connection

542
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Speaker 1: between a franchise and gambling and whatever else.

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Speaker 2: Well, that all now is totally out the window.

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Speaker 1: You've got the marriage between franchises and leagues and the apps,

545
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: and we've gone over all of that. Right, I understand

546
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: all of it. But Las Vegas now getting a team,

547
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: and why not. They already have it in the NFL.

548
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: They already have it, They're about to get it major

549
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: League Baseball. They have it in the NHL, and it's

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Speaker 1: a growing, thriving area.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: And then seeatt when Clay Bennett bought the Oklahoma or yeah,

553
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Clay Bennett bought the Oklahoma City Thunder than the Seattle Sonics.

554
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: He bought them as the Sonics, and from the time

555
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: that he got in Seattle, the initiative was on to

556
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Speaker 1: figure out how to move the team to Oklahoma City,

557
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: which is absolutely his right and understandable. He's a native

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Speaker 1: of Oklahoma City. I get it, hometown pride, I get it.

559
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: But the city of Seattle, in no way, shape or form,

560
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: deserved to lose an NBA franchise. The Sonics had been

561
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: a great franchise. Seattle had been a great NBA city.

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00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: Seattle greatly supported the Sonics that are a huge part

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Speaker 1: of the fabric in the Pacific Northwest. But they had Kirina,

564
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: which is still there. Mind you, you've been to the arena, right,

565
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Speaker 1: Is that that's Climate Pledge arena?

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Speaker 8: Now?

567
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: Well, I understand, but I mean I'm saying it's but

568
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: that same arena is still there right over near Queen

569
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Speaker 1: Anne Hill where the Sonics used to play.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's there or not. I know

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Speaker 4: that the Seattle Storm playing the same arena as the

572
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Speaker 4: Seattle Cracknim, which is Climate Pledge.

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Speaker 2: Is that a new arena or is it renovated? I

574
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: think I don't know if it's new or if it's renovated.

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00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: I'd have to actually looking, because but either way, when

576
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Speaker 1: the Sonics were in the closing years of being in Seattle,

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Speaker 1: they were playing in what was then called Key Arena,

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Speaker 1: and of course there began discussions as to whether or

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Speaker 1: not the city was going to appropriate enough money to

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Speaker 1: move them or to keep them as opposed to letting

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Speaker 1: them move. We need you know, the Sonics were saying, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we need X amount of dollars from the city of Seattle,

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Speaker 1: the taxpayers of Seattle.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a story. Is it used to

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Speaker 2: be the area?

586
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, yes, okay, so they so the Sonics went

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Speaker 1: to the city and basically said, we need X amount

588
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: of dollars or we're out of here now. It is

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Speaker 1: my belief, partially in knowing people that were working there

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Speaker 1: at the time, that that was all the russ They

591
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: were gonna move regardless, and so they basically said, we

592
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: need to hold press conferences and ask and make, you know,

593
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: pledges that are not going to be met so that

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Speaker 1: we then have our out to go to Oklahoma City.

595
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: They were going to leave regardless. So Seattle deserves an

596
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Speaker 1: NBA franchise. All of this is to say, I think

597
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: this is good news for the Pacers. I think it's

598
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: really good news for the Pacers. And it has nothing

599
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: to do with the watering down or the potential diluting

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Speaker 1: of talent across the league and the competitive nature of

601
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Speaker 1: some teams because you're going to have an expansion draft.

602
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with that, but I'll tell

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00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: you why. It's advantage pacers next and Joel a Eericson

604
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: by the way, top of the hour.

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Speaker 5: So now Valpol's gonna have to go the light of

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Speaker 5: the court two point five like in bounds pass to

607
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Speaker 5: be thrown by Jamie Sykes.

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00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 7: Harder pressure. It's to check us the crew for the wind.

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00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 7: God they go. Balco has won the game up there, Gold.

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Speaker 1: I remember exactly where I was, Exactly where I was,

611
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: man great memories. I was working at Hardbook's Pipe and Tobacco,

612
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: best job ever with all respect to those that I

613
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Speaker 1: currently hold. And I had gone next door to Henry Gratton.

614
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: Now that brought up tavern to pick up my lunch.

615
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: Of course, we had the game on the radio of

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Speaker 1: the tournament, and I walked into Henry Gratten just as

617
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Speaker 1: the were designing that play pacer. As we mentioned yesterday,

618
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: Bryce True hitting that shot to knock out and Sue

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Speaker 1: sin Say and the fourth seated ole miss Rebels. Awesome

620
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: memory of the NCAA tournament. All right, we were talking about

621
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Speaker 1: the NBA expansion. And I mentioned this before, and I

622
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: can't remember who it was that told me, like, you

623
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: have no idea what you're talking about.

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00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 2: That's probably true in most things in this area. It's

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Speaker 2: not there are.

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Speaker 1: I don't pretend, by any stretch of the imagination to

627
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those that claims I'm an insider

628
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: and makes you know. I go back to the point

629
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Speaker 1: of Gregory Peck when he's waiting for a seat at

630
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Speaker 1: a table in a restaurant in Los Angeles and has

631
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Speaker 1: put his name in and they said it'd be a

632
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Speaker 1: forty five minute wait, and his friend said, can you

633
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Speaker 1: tell him who you are? And he said, if you

634
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Speaker 1: have to tell him who you are, you aren't. And

635
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: I've always believed that, and that said, but I'm still

636
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: not right. I mean, I know that, but I've been

637
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: around it a long time, and so when you're around

638
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: it a long time, you have the ability to get

639
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: to know people and build relationships and whatnot. And the

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00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: reality is this, there has never been any discussion of

641
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: the Pacers leaving Indianapolis. I've never pretended that there was.

642
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: There is no reason to believe that the Simon family

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00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: has any any thought about leaving Indianapolis. As a matter

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00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: of fact, it would be irresponsible to say so. And

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00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: there are very few families from a business and certainly

646
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: philanthropy standpoint, and families that are more dedicated and more

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00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: committed to Indianapolis than the Simons. And certainly, you know

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00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: we've had on I mean Eddie during how many times

649
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: did we have on Steven Simon during the playoffs last year?

650
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: I think we had him on twice.

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00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: And I think as well when Jim Mersey passed, and

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00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: you could tell, I mean, he is someone that understands

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00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: the commitment to Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: But when it comes to.

655
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: The transfer of ownership within a family and family dynamics

656
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: and multiple siblings and things like that, you just never know.

657
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: So you just never know. And I think that a

658
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: really important key here. And it was since we last

659
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: talked about this when I was talking about and I

660
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: remember saying on the radio here that I really wanted

661
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: to see Seattle, Las Vegas and then probably Nashville would

662
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: be the third. I just wanted to see the NBA

663
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: teams in those markets sooner as opposed to later, for

664
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: the peace of mind of knowing that that meant that

665
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: it reduced the possibility that a franchise in some sort

666
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: of an ownership change or anything like that. I don't

667
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: believe the Simon family has an As matter of fact,

668
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: I'll go so far as to say I am certain

669
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: the Simon family has no interest in the Pacers being

670
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: anywhere in Indiana. Right, But they also when they sold

671
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: a percentage of their ownership, they did so and part

672
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: of that sale was and this shows that commitment. Part

673
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: of that sale says then that in the event that

674
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: the Simon family ever decides to sell out of the Pacers,

675
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: that the minority ownership gets first right of refusal to

676
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: buy out all of it, which would also mean commitment Indiana.

677
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: But as I think we saw with the Indianapolis Motor Speedway,

678
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: the Home and George family had zero interest. I don't

679
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: believe and ever selling the speedway, at least from Tony

680
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: George's standpoint. But when you have a transfer of ownership

681
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: amongst generation, there are variables that come into play that

682
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: sometimes are almost inevitabilities that you have to pivot emotion

683
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: versus reality and business. And for that reason I always

684
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: was when it comes to the Pacers, I always was like,

685
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: you know what, it just would be I would rather

686
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: that there would be nowhere. I didn't want someone to

687
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to say, you know what, if there's

688
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: going to be an inheritance tax on the transfer of

689
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: an ownership within this franchise, maybe this is my chance

690
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: to swoop in and buy an NBA team and move

691
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: it to Nashville, move it tow Vegas, moved to Seattle.

692
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: So to have those two teams there right now and

693
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: have Nashville then be like the only wild card.

694
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: I just would rather.

695
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: Eliminate any of those variables so that I can sleep

696
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: more comfortably at night, because sometimes the best laid plans

697
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: of mice and men can even go awry. And that

698
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: was always my standpoint on it. Again, since we last

699
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: had the conversation, the fact that Herbsimon sold a large

700
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: not a large, but you know, a minority, but still

701
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: a significant portion of his ownership to within a structure

702
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: that would allow for that commitment to Indiana to continue,

703
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: I think probably mutes the whole conversation. But two years ago,

704
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I think you had to always

705
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: consider that. But now I think it's totally muted because

706
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: those franchises or those cities, I should say, are going

707
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: to have a franchise.

708
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: When was the last time you went to Las Vegas?

709
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: Was that three years ago? That's a really good question

710
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: you and I know you and Shannon went to the Sphere, correct,

711
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: that would be the last time I was there.

712
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 4: Did it still have that touristy feel to you? Because

713
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: I think with now the Aces, the Raiders and an

714
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 4: NBA team that is seemingly going to be in.

715
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: Las Vegas and the Golden Knights, I.

716
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 4: Think it's losing some of that illustrious touristy attraction.

717
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that.

718
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 1: And I also think Eddie that Vegas it's a great

719
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: question because and I hear all these rumors lately of

720
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: like Vegas is dead, And I don't know about that right.

721
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: Because I went a year ago. It would have been

722
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 2: next month.

723
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: And it was not comparable in terms of the touristy

724
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 4: like people around and like meeting people.

725
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: It was. It was different. It wasn't like how it

726
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: was when I went in college. I think two things

727
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: come into play.

728
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: Number one and I get this from a security standpoint,

729
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: and I'm sure a post nine to eleven standpoint. The

730
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: first times that I went to Vegas where you could

731
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: just openly walk the strip, and now when you do it,

732
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's a hassle. Right, you walk, and then

733
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: you got to go across the street and go over

734
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: these stairs and across this bridge and back down, and

735
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: you got a zigzag and it's so you're kind of

736
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: wherever you are, it's like you're kind of stuck in

737
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: that quadrant.

738
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: Right, not to mention, they're still getting the MLB team,

739
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 4: the athleticsure movement over there.

740
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: Right well, and then you had with the Formula one

741
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: race that took place there. They shut the city down

742
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: for a significant amount of time to build that. But

743
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: I also think that the biggest wild card in all

744
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: of it that nobody really talks about with the city

745
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: of Las Vegas is.

746
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: It is still awesome.

747
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: And it is still there is nothing quite like it

748
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: because it's a twenty four hour city. And I mean

749
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: the you know, the casinos are beautiful, and the hotels

750
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: are nice, and the pools and all of that, but

751
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: there are very few things now that Vegas offers that

752
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: you can't get within an hour of wherever you live.

753
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: Because now there's a casino in most states, there are

754
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: you know there are casinos in most states. There are

755
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, you can obviously use your phone to gamble

756
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: on sports. You don't need to go to Vegas now

757
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: for the first weekend of the tournament to be able

758
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: to sit there and make wagers on the sportsbook.

759
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: Did Jimmy Cook go out there?

760
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: Do we know?

761
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: I remember he's gone out there once. I don't know

762
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: if he thought he did. I thought that was an

763
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: annual trip. I don't know.

764
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: I think it's an annual trip for the people he

765
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: went with, and I was able to go that one time.

766
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 4: Whatever that was, like, it was he went during March

767
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 4: the same year you went to the Sphere, okay with Shannon,

768
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: So it was like you guys went back to that

769
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 4: was that would have been two years ago, right, Yeah,

770
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 4: the Sphere is pretty awesome.

771
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: The Sphere is awesome, but I also feel like the

772
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: Sphere is running out of acts that could pack the sphere.

773
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: Jake ms games underway and in the tournament. A couple

774
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 4: of minutes left in the first half, TCU up seven

775
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 4: on the Ohio State.

776
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: Thirty one twenty four horned Frog's lead.

777
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: And then the team that I picked to upset in

778
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 4: the first round Troy.

779
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: They are up ten to nine on Nebraska six and

780
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 2: a half in. Nebraska has never won an NCAA tournament game,

781
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 2: is that correct? Neither has Troy, so some history will

782
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: be made.

783
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: You know, Troy though, it was exciting instead of a bus,

784
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: that big horse that came in on it was cool, right.

785
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: You know that?

786
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: I think if I have this off the top of

787
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 4: my mind, correct, it's only the fourth time since nineteen

788
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 4: eighty five where two teams that have not won a

789
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: tournament game have been seated up against one another in

790
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 4: the tournament.

791
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: Yes, that's that does surprise me because you would think

792
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: that in one of the play in games they would

793
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: have two sixteen teams that you know what I mean

794
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: that have never done it. I know, right, Well, that's

795
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: kind of we got a guy that we're.

796
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 2: Thinking specific to the round of sixty four. Okay, yeah,

797
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: that makes more sense.

798
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so in that case, you're written for Nebraska to

799
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: get their first or.

800
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: Troy to get their first. Troy, come on, now, really

801
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: I need them for the bracket.

802
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: Okay, who the winner that plays who I can't recall.

803
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look right here. The winner that plays the

804
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: winner of Vanderbilt McNee state. See little bit of a

805
00:44:53,800 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: tactical error there if you're going with Troy, because well Vanderbilt,

806
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: but Vanderbilt Nebraska would be a toss up, right, So

807
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: it's like if you pick Troy there, then you're like,

808
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: if if Nebraska beats Vanderbilt, then now you're down too,

809
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: you see, to mean you've missed out on two games.

810
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: You needed to do that. If the next game is

811
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: one that you're like, yeah, there's no like Nebraska would

812
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: get beat the next round anyway, so you might as

813
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: well burn it around earlier.

814
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: That's what I did.

815
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 4: I had I had Nebraska losing anyway to uh Vanderbilt.

816
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, in that case that you gotta hope. Now McNeice,

817
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: do they still have the boombox kid?

818
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: Yes?

819
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: Fun facts about Nebraska, Jake, They are one in six

820
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 4: in their last seven games against tournament teams. See I

821
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 4: do my research here.

822
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: Do you know who Nebraska's coach was for like twenty years?

823
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: That is a New Yorker, New yorka Vietnam veteran. I

824
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: know Danny nee might even be a Hall of Fame coach,

825
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: might even be a Hall of Fame coach, but he

826
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: was in the Shadows of tom Osborne Forever.

827
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: Joel A.

828
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: Erickson's In the Shadows of No One joins us next.

829
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: In fact, in caa tournament opening day, it is, in

830
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: fact the most wonderful time of the year. By the way,

831
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: I was incorrect in this aspect the minority ownership that

832
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: Herb Simon and the Pacers sold the first right of refusal,

833
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: they sold a larger percentage and the first run of

834
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: refuse refusal was surrendered. And so as a result of that,

835
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: should Simon family ever decide to sell the Pacers, then

836
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: they are not limited to who they would sell too,

837
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: which is a keynote. And as I said, sometimes the

838
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: best laid plans of mice and men can often go

839
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: all right, I don't believe a matter of fact, I

840
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: am comfortable in saying I am certain that there is

841
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: no interest in the Simon family for the Pacers to

842
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: be anywhere but Indiana. I'm certain of that. But I

843
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: do think that you just never know when when big

844
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: checks and big offers come. You never know, And that's

845
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: terrifying to think. But that's and that's true anywhere. The

846
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: same can be said. And Joela Ericson joins me. Now

847
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament underway. By the way, TCU leading Ohio State

848
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: at the half, that game is the first to go

849
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: to an intermission. Will keep you abreast of everything that's

850
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: going on when it comes to talking about and with

851
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: the this all this conversation began because I was talking

852
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: about how Seattle and Vegas getting NBA expansion is a

853
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: side relief because Nashville is the last market that I

854
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: look at and go gosh, I'd like for them to

855
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: get a franchise before anybody starts getting thoughts about where

856
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: money could come from. And Joela Ericson joining me now

857
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line, probably did

858
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: not anticipate this would be the question I'd be asking.

859
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: But Joel, I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm a

860
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: little surprised that from both a local and even a

861
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: national standpoint, that we don't hear more discussion about what

862
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: the plan is to ensure and make sure that Colts

863
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: ownership and always shapes and form have the assets and

864
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: the certainly the liquid ability to pay off whatever taxes

865
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: are going to come their way to make sure that

866
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: ownership stays within the same I don't believe that the

867
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: Colts would ever leave Indianapolis because at this point, I

868
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: think we are past the period of individuals buying franchises.

869
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: It would be some sort of an investment group or

870
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: mutual fund group type thing that would buy in a

871
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: group of twenty people. And I'm just throwing generically, right,

872
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how like, that's what happened in Denver,

873
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: and then you just keep it where is. But to me,

874
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: there is no coincidence in the fact that so many

875
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: of the different assets of the Indianapolis Colts have been

876
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: liquidated because this is an ownership group that does not

877
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: have a primary source of income like a lot of

878
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: franchises do, where the franchise is actually their secondary.

879
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: Play money, so to speak.

880
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: Are we completely out of the woods of the possibility

881
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: that the girls are going to have to do something

882
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: that the girls is the wrong way of saying it.

883
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: I'm Jim Mercy's daughters, the women, you know, the women

884
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: ownership group of the Colts. Do we know for certain

885
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: that they have everything nailed down where there's not going

886
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: to be any sort of possibility of change at all?

887
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 9: We we we don't know that for certain, you know,

888
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 9: we we've obviously you know, we've been told that it's

889
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 9: it's if I'm there's no way of knowing that for certain.

890
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 9: I think one of the things that happens with, you know,

891
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 9: NFL ownership, is that we really don't know the finances

892
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 9: of any NFL team with the exception of one, and

893
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 9: there's not really a way to get it.

894
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 3: You know.

895
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 9: You think about like in in college, where it's obviously

896
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 9: many of them are public universities, and you can you know,

897
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 9: submit Freedom Information Act requests and get budgets and stuff

898
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 9: like that. You know, obviously I just saw the basketball

899
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 9: one about how much teams were spending on basketball in

900
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 9: in twenty twenty five. There's not there's no real way

901
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 9: to do that in the NFL. And so I think

902
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 9: not just here, but I do think that kind of

903
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 9: all over the league there's a difficulty and a disadvantage

904
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 9: in knowing exactly where teams finances stand, whether whether it's

905
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 9: with a question of you know, like you're saying, like,

906
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 9: you know, have have they have they gotten themselves in

907
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 9: position to do that, or if it's the other one

908
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 9: that comes up sometimes is does this team, you know,

909
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 9: does it's come up with the Colts, it's come up

910
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 9: with the Bengals, it's come up with the Raiders. You

911
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 9: hear sometimes do they have enough cash on hand to

912
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 9: pay contracts in a certain way? And the answer is

913
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 9: it's it's really really difficult to get a definitive answer

914
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 9: from anyone because unless unless the accounting arm of it

915
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 9: decides to hand over some numbers, we don't really know.

916
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 9: And a lot of people that would tell us about

917
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 9: that stuff have their own interests at play. Like, for instance,

918
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 9: if if if an agency or something says, well, they

919
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 9: say they don't have enough cash on hand, well is

920
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 9: what's what's there? What's their goal in that? Are they

921
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 9: trying to say that, you know, there's something else going

922
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 9: on there?

923
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: But Joe, I think we can look at precedent, right,

924
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: and the precedent says as I understand it. And I

925
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: want to be very clear here, okay, And I know

926
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: this is going to stun you. Are you're sitting down

927
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: right now, Rachel, I am, yes, when it comes to numbers,

928
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: I ain't no genius, okay, So, like I want to

929
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: make clear that you know that, and you know I

930
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: had to have you know, I had to pay most

931
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: of my tax return just to get my taxes done right.

932
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that I'm a genius in this stuff. However,

933
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: if you look at precedent, the Denver Broncos, for example,

934
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: when they're when they had, you know, an owner pass away.

935
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: The sale of the Denver Broncos came when the federal government.

936
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, people can sit there and say, this guy's

937
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: an idiot. He has no idea that there's no inheritance

938
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: tax in Indiana. Okay, fine, but there is federally speaking,

939
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: and the federal government, as I understand it, the a

940
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: state tax or the inheritance tax, whatever you want to

941
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: call it, is forty percent what the federal government deems

942
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: as the valuation of the property.

943
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: And I don't know this, Joel, I.

944
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: Don't know this, and I want to be very clear

945
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: as a contracted employee of it, that I don't know this.

946
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: But I'm simply going off assumption. I would assume that

947
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 1: the reason that Roger Penske and the Penske Entertainment Group

948
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: sold one third of that business recently to the Fox

949
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: Broadcast Corporation is not only the marketing partnership of it,

950
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: but also because it was It's a very smart thing

951
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: to do because you set the baseline of what the

952
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: valuation would be. So when the federal government in a

953
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: couple of years has to determine the value of that property,

954
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: you say, well, we know what it is because we

955
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: sold a third of it to you know, five years

956
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: ago for X amount of dollars, right, or however long,

957
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: ten years, whatever.

958
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: It might be.

959
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: So if you look at the Denver Broncos, it became

960
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: forty percent of the valuation. Well, I don't know what

961
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: the Broncos were estimated to be worth, but I think

962
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: it's a fair number to say that the federal government

963
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: would deem the Indianapolis Colts Empire to be worth let's

964
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: say three billion, forty percent of that would be one

965
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: point two billion. And that's if there's no a rear

966
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: from previous things. So you've got to come up with

967
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: that money. I don't care who you are. That's a

968
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: difficult thing to do, especially when if you're not like

969
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: the Haslet family or Daniel Snyder when he had the Commanders,

970
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: where you don't have already other business ventures to draw from.

971
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: That's simply my big picture of it. And yes, I

972
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: understand that the Legal Department of the Indianapolis Colts would

973
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 1: have been assumingly well ahead of this, But I still

974
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: think it creates challenges that even the finest and most

975
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: intelligent of people have to really tiptoe and navigate through.

976
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: Is that a fair statement on my behalf?

977
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's fair.

978
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 9: I also think, like, just from from my own standpoint,

979
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 9: like the hardest thing for me is that I don't

980
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 9: the only my my biggest I have a lack of

981
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 9: I have a little bit of a lack of experience

982
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 9: knowledge in the area. The only the only change in

983
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 9: ownership I've covered before was the Saints one, and that

984
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 9: one was very different because Tom late late Saints owner

985
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 9: Tom Benson changed who is going to get the team

986
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 9: late in his life, and so that one was essentially

987
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 9: a battle for a battle having to do with his

988
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 9: will and his wife versus his kids and a whole

989
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 9: bunch of other stuff that's going on, which I think

990
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 9: there was some of that in Denver too, But that's

991
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 9: the other piece of it. It's difficult is my history

992
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 9: with it is based in a very different situation.

993
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: By the way, when you were a kid, how big

994
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: was the NCAA tournament in Wisconsin? Did they know what

995
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: was going on in Wisconsin. They knew it was going

996
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: on in Wisconsin. Yeah, because everybody in Wisconsin around this time,

997
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: most people are just waking up from a spotted cow

998
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: Hayes of four months right.

999
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: Well, the thing about the thing about Wisconsin, the thing

1000
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: about the.

1001
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 9: State of Wisconsin, is that that Hayes never really you know,

1002
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 9: are they ever really out of it?

1003
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: That's the real question.

1004
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: Good, Okay, which leads me, Okay, let me ask you

1005
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: this before we get to that. Okay, And Joel, I

1006
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: know that, Joel Ericson, you are the beat writer of

1007
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts for the Indianapolis Starr and you're joining

1008
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: us on the Jaba House Colt brew guest line. But

1009
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: you know the reality is, and I'll ask it this way,

1010
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: is there anything major on the cults that you thought

1011
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: to yourself? Well, definitely, Jake's gonna ask about this because

1012
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: it's the burning story, or it's the thing that I

1013
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: need to get off my chest because nobody's asked about it.

1014
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: It's a big story and we need to talk about it.

1015
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 9: I Mean, the only major thing I think with the

1016
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 9: cults right now is just where is the edge rush

1017
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 9: going to come from, you know, but I'm sure that

1018
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 9: we've all been talking about that for a.

1019
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: Couple of months, a couple of months. Have you not

1020
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: been here for a decade?

1021
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 3: That's fair?

1022
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Like, you know what I mean.

1023
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you get a job tomorrow in South Florida,

1024
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: you can be like, well, you know the humidity we've

1025
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: all been talking about for about a month now, I mean. Okay,

1026
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 1: So that out of the way. Here's the real reason

1027
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to have you on Okay. During last year

1028
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: in the Indye Car seat he's an IndyCar had a

1029
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: race up in Road America, which you're familiar with, I'm sure,

1030
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: which is basically between Sheboygan and Manitawac Okay and Santino Ferrucci.

1031
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: At the end of the race, Santino Ferrucci, a driver

1032
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: in the IndyCar Series, ran out of fuel after the

1033
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: race was over trying to drive back to pitt Lane.

1034
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: So he got out of his car and was just

1035
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: walking along and a guy from Wisconsin chucked a beer

1036
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: over the fence to Santino Ferrucci, and Ferrucci went ahad

1037
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: and grabbed it and shot gun to the beer on

1038
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: the track.

1039
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: Right.

1040
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: So this guy that threw him the beer then came

1041
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 1: to the Milwaukee race as a guest of the Ferrucci

1042
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: team and I met him and he was just a

1043
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: complete Wisconsin character. I think his direct quote was, if

1044
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: you cut me, I bleed Sergeant is at Sergento, I

1045
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: bleed Sergento, Sargento cheese and spotted cows, basically what he said.

1046
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: So I said, do you want to be my spotter

1047
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: for the five hundred? And he said yes, I'm all in.

1048
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: So last night he sent me a message that said, Okay,

1049
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm coming with my dad and I'm going to spot

1050
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: for you for the five hundred and we're all in

1051
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: and uh. And then he says to me, and he said,

1052
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: we need to get a hotel, and so I offered

1053
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: a couple of suggestions and he said, no, no, no,

1054
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: we want one where they're going to be partying all night.

1055
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: And I said okay, and then he asked so he said, okay, great,

1056
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: and he said to me, Dad has already insisted that

1057
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: we bring a trailer of Wisconsin goods, which is predominantly

1058
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: beer and brats. So with all of that, my question

1059
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: for you, Joel is this, how big a trouble. Am

1060
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: I going to get in here for this weekend of

1061
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: the hundred?

1062
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah, you should start preparing.

1063
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: Now.

1064
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: We go every year, myself, Shannon and my mom go

1065
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: to the parade and we take with us whoever is

1066
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: spotting for me, and we go to the parade and

1067
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: then afterwards we go on mass ab and have a beer.

1068
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: Now is that going to be possible with these guys

1069
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: or is that going to mean a week.

1070
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: A beer is not? Is definitely not possible.

1071
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 9: That's not a thing.

1072
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 3: Okay, it's just not like so.

1073
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 9: Uh you might remember LSU opened the season against Wisconsin

1074
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 9: and Green Bay. Uh, it's probably like a decade ago.

1075
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: Now remember that.

1076
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 10: Yeah, And in Louisiana they were all like, we're gonna

1077
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 10: drink all these people under the table and I was like,

1078
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 10: uh huh yeah, and we're gonna drink their bars, not

1079
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 10: a liquor.

1080
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 3: They did not. They did not, They didn't. They didn't

1081
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: even come close. If I remember right, I had a

1082
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: friend who went up there.

1083
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 9: Who could you know, he could throw some back and

1084
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 9: uh part of all he was up there, he came back,

1085
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 9: he said, you guys, you people are different. People are

1086
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 9: different up there and Yeah, you're you're in for it.

1087
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Speaker 9: You're it's gonna be more than one beer for sure. Okay,

1088
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 9: but it'll be a good time, that's the thing. It'll

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Speaker 9: be a good time.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's gonna be great. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, question is this this will be may right? Is

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Speaker 1: it possible that he might be able to bring me

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01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: my own Uh? Maybe he can go to one of

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01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: the sporting goods stores there and buy me a Anthony

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: Richardson packer jersey.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know what that I I think that is possible.

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Speaker 9: They had, you know, the success with Malik Willis, who

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Speaker 9: had some of the same issues that Anthony Richardson had

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Speaker 9: in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: And they don't have Malik Willis anymore.

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Speaker 9: So I do think that they're the possibility that that's

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Speaker 9: that he can bring you on.

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Speaker 1: By that point, are the Colts gonna get I realize

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Speaker 1: I'm asking a question now that I've asked almost rhetorically,

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Speaker 1: but are they going to be able to get anything

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Speaker 1: for Richardson? Because here's why I ask I made this

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Speaker 1: point yesterday or a couple of days ago, Joel. I

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Speaker 1: remember when the Knicks acquired Carmelo Anthony, they traded for

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01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony. Okay, and at the trade deadline, every one

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Speaker 1: of their brothers, like the Knicks have to get Carmelo

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01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: Anthony go with the Marie Stott of Meyer, et cetera.

1112
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Speaker 1: And the Knicks brass is saying to the owner, we

1113
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: don't need to trade for him. He's going to sign

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Speaker 1: with us as a free agent in four months. There's

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Speaker 1: no reason in giving up any capital to get him.

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01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: He's going to voluntarily come here anyway, so just hold

1117
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: pat And the owner jumped in at the last minute

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01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: and traded four major pieces for Amara Stott or for

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01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: card Melow Anthony because he had to have it then

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Speaker 1: right to pair them with the Maras Stottamayer And I

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Speaker 1: think teams are going to look at Anthony Richardson and say,

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Speaker 1: why are we going to trade for this guy when

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Speaker 1: if nobody trades for him, he's just going to be

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Speaker 1: a free They're going to release him and we can

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Speaker 1: just get him for nothing.

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Speaker 2: Is that where they are.

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Speaker 3: I think they.

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Speaker 9: Still probably get a pick for him, It's just not

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Speaker 9: going to be a pick that It's going to be

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Speaker 9: a pick that most people forget. Is happening on the

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Speaker 9: third day of the draft some sometime you know, when

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Speaker 9: when I'm still when I'm still paying attention to the

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 9: drafts and figuring out these who these people are, most

1134
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 9: cults fans have moved on to whatever else is going

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01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 9: on that weekend. That's that's the kind of pick they're

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01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 9: probably gonna end up getting for him. The Colts probably

1137
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 9: would like to get the Trey Lance deal that the

1138
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 9: Cowboys gave the Niners, where they sent a fourth round

1139
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 9: pick to get in order to get Trey Lance. But

1140
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,959
Speaker 9: I just think most of the rest of the league

1141
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 9: would be like, well that was I don't know why

1142
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 9: the Cowboys did that? Why would we do that here?

1143
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? I just I've wondered what his.

1144
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: I wondered what his trade value is because he showed

1145
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: he obviously he has shown flashes, right, but.

1146
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,479
Speaker 2: He has shown enough flash that if.

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01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm an other franchise, I wonder why then Indianapolis is

1148
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: so willing to get rid of them?

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01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

1150
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 9: And the other thing is like if you just you know,

1152
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 9: like the Vikings signed Carson Wentz this morning.

1153
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 3: There's the other thing is that the spots are.

1154
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 9: Kind of drying up a little bit in terms of right,

1155
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 9: A lot of teams have three quarterbacks on their aster already.

1156
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, So.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the Vikings and JJ McCarthy. What does

1158
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: this mean for him?

1159
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 3: I have, Well, they've got Kyler Murray.

1160
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Speaker 9: It kind of feels like JJ McCarthy's in the same

1161
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 9: it's kind of in the same.

1162
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 3: Boat where they might be moving on for him.

1163
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: It's I mean, does he the Anthony Richardson of Minnesota's possible,

1164
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: very possible. I know that he came off injury and

1165
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: nobody here cares about JJ McCarthy, I realize it, except

1166
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: that he played at Michigan. Was that just the biggest

1167
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: swing in the miss of all time? And that's simply

1168
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: what that is? Or did they did? They just not

1169
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: have pieces around him? I know, I mean Jefferson right, yeah,

1170
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: they scheme is the better way.

1171
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: I say, yeah, But.

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Speaker 9: Like I don't know, I'm I'm a terrible quarterback quarterback

1173
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 9: evaluator from the draft perspective, so this doesn't mean anything.

1174
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 9: But like I think when he got picked there there

1175
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 9: are a lot of people who went, you know, of

1176
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 9: those six quarterbacks or whatever they got drafted, that's the

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Speaker 9: one that seems like maybe he's he's gonna need the

1178
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 9: most work. And I do think it's interesting that while

1179
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 9: we're talking about, like just in terms of the Vikings,

1180
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 9: everything that's offseason has been like, well, Kevin O'Connell's a quarterback, whisper,

1181
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 9: Kevin o'conna's a quarterback whispper. Look at San Donald, look

1182
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 9: at Daniel Jones.

1183
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 3: He couldn't he couldn't whisper his own quarterback this year.

1184
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: Right, that's correct?

1185
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Which you know that that's a mark against it

1186
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: in my mind. The Joe, the intrigue about all of

1187
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: it is just the fact that I've always said a

1188
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: quarterback only gets so long, and then the damage becomes

1189
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Speaker 1: such where even in that market, if there is something

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Speaker 1: to be had in that quarterback, it's over with in

1191
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: that market and there's just nothing that's going to gain

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Speaker 1: from it. And that's absolutely at this point, almost indisputably

1193
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Speaker 1: where the Colts are with Richardson, correct.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, it does feel like McCarthy's kind of in

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01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 9: the same boat.

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Speaker 2: Correct. I would agree with that. I would definitely agree

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Speaker 2: with that. All right, your final four, give me your

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01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 2: final four. Before we let you go.

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Speaker 3: I had a Arizona, Michigan Houston and shoot who's.

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01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: The duke Kansas, Connecticut, Michigan State.

1201
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 3: It's Michigan State. I have Michigan State and.

1202
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Speaker 2: You have who winning it all?

1203
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 3: Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Not bad Arizona. I always thought would be a cool

1205
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: place to go to school.

1206
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: By the way, I.

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Speaker 9: Loved the Arizona team that won the title back when

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01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 9: I was in Wisconsin as a kid and watching watching

1209
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 9: the tournament.

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Speaker 1: I simon aj Bramlett, that group, right.

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Speaker 9: Jason Terry, you know like that, that whole team I've

1212
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Speaker 9: I've always loved that.

1213
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 3: I always loved that team.

1214
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 9: I liked them before that too, when they had David

1215
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 9: Stottlemyre and I don't know if that's influencing it.

1216
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: Do you want to know?

1217
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 9: I have some I have some bracket picking rules though

1218
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 9: that make me a terrible bracket picker, Like I refuse

1219
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 9: to pick Kansas, but beyond the second round because they

1220
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 9: were rivals at Missouri, that tends to not work out.

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01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well unless they're playing either UTEP or I

1222
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: think Lehigh knock him out one year. Okay, here's my

1223
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: one fun fact for you about that Arizona run in

1224
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: ninety seven. You're ready, Okay, I was working at the

1225
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: cigar store. I was doing whatever I could to get

1226
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: involved in media. I had a friend that worked for

1227
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Speaker 1: a small newspaper Indianapolis. He got me credential for that

1228
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: Final four to write columns. I did college basketball columns

1229
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: all year. It was wonderful. I loved everything about it,

1230
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: always grateful for it. I had a credential for that

1231
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: Final Four. I was thrilled about it. After Arizona and

1232
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: the Semis defeated So I remember Kentucky defeated Minnesota. That

1233
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: was the beginning of the end for Clem Haskins. And

1234
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: Arizona defeated North Carolina, and after the game they did

1235
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: the press conference everything else. I wanted to ask Dean

1236
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: Smith another question. I was as wet behind the years

1237
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: as a young naive, didn't understand the rules.

1238
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 2: Reporter of all time.

1239
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: I walked to the North Carolina bus as they were

1240
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: getting on the bus, I kid you not, and asked

1241
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: Dean Smith if I could ask him one more question.

1242
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: I don't even remember the question. I still have the

1243
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 2: tape though.

1244
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: The tape recorder tape, and Dean Smith, who was as

1245
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: kind as could be, said yes, And so I asked

1246
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: him a question. I don't remember what it was, and

1247
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: maybe a follow up, and then he got on the

1248
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: bus and North Carolina went off into the distance, and

1249
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: like a week later or whatever it was, he announced

1250
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: his retirement, or maybe it was even a week before.

1251
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if we knew at that time, whatever.

1252
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: But the point being, I will always take pride in

1253
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: my claim to fame. That's not fame because only I

1254
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: know it until now that I believe I was the

1255
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: last person to asked Dean Smith a media question in

1256
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: his last ever game of his career.

1257
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 2: That's all because I had no idea what I was doing.

1258
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 3: That's incredible, and it.

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01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: Speaks volumes to the fact that he was that kind

1260
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean that speaks volumes

1261
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: about Dean Smith that he wasn't like can you imagine

1262
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: asking Danny Hurley or Bob Knight that at the bus?

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01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 9: And I think I think the other thing is that

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01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 9: something has changed in the time time since then. We're like,

1266
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 9: I know, at the same around the same time. I've

1267
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 9: talked to a guy who was in my position covering

1268
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 9: the packers, and he used to like be in the

1269
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 9: locker room for hours and hours and hours and just

1270
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 9: randomly talk to assistant coaches instead of like now it's

1271
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 9: you're in there for you know, forty minutes.

1272
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 2: It's a completely different ballgame.

1273
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 3: It's a different world.

1274
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 2: It is, no question about it, all right, Joe.

1275
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: What's coming up in terms of your colts coverage, by

1276
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: the way, other than hanging out in the locker room

1277
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 1: with assistant coaches.

1278
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 9: Well, we've got the owners meetings here in a week

1279
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 9: and a half. That's gonna be our chance to kind of,

1280
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 9: you know, go, hey, a lot of things have happened.

1281
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 9: You know, you guys assigned people, you guys have lost people.

1282
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 9: Where do they stand now? That's kind of our chance

1283
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 9: to to to really get a look at how they

1284
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 9: see the team, how they see some of the stuff

1285
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 9: that went on. I think that's that's the biggest thing

1286
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 9: coming up next is you know, to be able to ask, hey,

1287
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 9: what happened? What happened to the edge rusher? You need it,

1288
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 9: you need a defensive end, uh and the one you

1289
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 9: want it ended up going to Baltimore. What what you know?

1290
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,839
Speaker 9: What's what's what's going on there? That's our first chance.

1291
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 2: To do that, all right, Joel, appreciate it.

1292
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: We'll be looking for the coverage, appreciate the time as always,

1293
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: and I'll we'll talk to you before then, but on

1294
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: race weekend when the guys from Wisconsin are getting rowdy,

1295
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: I'll call for advice.

1296
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, sound good?

1297
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 2: All right?

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01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: Joela ericson our guest from the Indianapolis Star Jaba House

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Speaker 1: Colebrew Coffee guest line. Right now, TCU over Ohio State

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01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: by eleven. That game early in the second half, and

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Speaker 1: Eddie's Dreams Cinderella story will let you know whether or

1302
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: not the glass slipper is still on troy other side.

1303
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 7: Shape story down. Got to push this to the basket.

1304
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: Take it to the basket, guys, ninety seconds, no timeouts left.

1305
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 7: How are they doing? RJ Hunter for three.

1306
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: Ron Hunter, that's fallen huff his stool for good reason.

1307
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 7: Georgia's State hop by one.

1308
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:58,799
Speaker 2: RJ Hunter with that shot.

1309
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: That was an awesome moment when Rod Hunter Ron Hunter,

1310
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: I think it was an Achilles, wasn't it. So he

1311
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: was on that little stool, fell right off of it.

1312
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: Ron Hunter, who's now at Tulane as Georgia State an

1313
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: RJ Hunter March magic all day long. Right now, the

1314
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: magic for TCU up big over Ohio State that game

1315
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: midway through the second half and approaching halftime. Now Eddie

1316
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: Garrison's upstart Troy Cinderella story.

1317
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: It was Baylor who they be? By the way, it

1318
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 2: was Baylor, wasn't it. Yeah?

1319
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: And Troy right now trying to pull a Georgia State

1320
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: over Nebraska. Nebraska trying to win their very first ever

1321
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament game. But for right now, fifteen point game,

1322
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: I believe.

1323
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 2: It's just a bloodbath on the glass. Eighteen point game

1324
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 2: at the half, forty one twenty three.

1325
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 4: Eleven offensive rebounds for the corn Huskers in the first half.

1326
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 4: And uh, Troy, the reason why I picked Troy Jake

1327
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 4: is when you have to look at these games is

1328
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 4: like what Nebraska does defensively is they funnel everything outside

1329
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 4: to force people to shoot threes on them. And that's

1330
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 4: what Troy does really well. That's where they have scored

1331
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 4: most of their points is on three pointers. And I

1332
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 4: thought that if Troy could get hot, that they could

1333
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 4: create some problems. And uh, what I guess I did

1334
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 4: not take an account was the fact that Nebraska could

1335
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 4: just dominate him on the glass like thee al right now,

1336
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 4: and Troy is four to twelve from downtown. They're three

1337
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 4: of nine on two point shots, so they haven't been

1338
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 4: able to get much offense going. And Nebraska they're just

1339
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 4: getting those offensive rebounds and throwing them out and hit

1340
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 4: seven threes in the first half.

1341
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: South Florida and Louisville just getting underway as well. And

1342
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: this one, I think South Florida and Louisville honestly may

1343
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: be like a one hundred and five to ninety eight game.

1344
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: Two teams that love to run, and South Florida is

1345
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: a really good rebounding transition team as well, and they

1346
01:11:58,800 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: play at a furious pace.

1347
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, Louisville's missing mikel Brown, their start freshman guard.

1348
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 4: They've been on the they've been slipping and sliding away

1349
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 4: the last month, so this game.

1350
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 2: Should be fun. Did you ever have a slipping slide?

1351
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 2: I sure did? Did you? Oh? Yeah?

1352
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 4: When you when you're the oldest of three siblings, Jake,

1353
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 4: parents got to keep you entertained somehow during the summer

1354
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 4: when you're out of school.

1355
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 2: Did you have a did you play in the sprinkler?

1356
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: Which when I was a kid, I thought sprinklers were

1357
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: designed specifically for the joy in the backyard of the kid.

1358
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 2: I didn't realize they were the water the lawn. Sure,

1359
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 2: did you know what I mean?

1360
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: Now, which sprinkler did you have? Did you have the

1361
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: oscillating rainbow sprinkler or the.

1362
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 2: Both?

1363
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 4: Okay, now what you do, Jake, is at least what

1364
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 4: we would do is we would get the the oscillating one,

1365
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 4: set up the slipping side on the other side, and

1366
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 4: like get like a football or something, throw it and

1367
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 4: you're like jumping catch as you're going through the water

1368
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 4: and onto the slipping slide.

1369
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 2: That's cool.

1370
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the number of things that you could

1371
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: come up with to to keep yourself entertained, right, Pacers

1372
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: last night losers at the field House to the Blazers.

1373
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: But and I think you raise an interesting point, Eddie,

1374
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: when you look at the Pacers right now, what we

1375
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: know is this, What we know is that there is

1376
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: no design at this point. You know, you can sit

1377
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: here and say, wow, you know they've only got fifteen wins.

1378
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: They haven't won since the All Star break. Well, I

1379
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: mean we know the reality of that situation. No sense

1380
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: going over that again in terms of what the priorities

1381
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: are and et cetera.

1382
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: The bigger thing is.

1383
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: When you look next year at the Pacers and I

1384
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: want to again like almost caution people.

1385
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 2: The Pacers for next season. It would.

1386
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 1: I think last night I was talking to somebody about

1387
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: this and they were like, man, next year, you know

1388
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 1: it's going to be the year for the Pacers, and

1389
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: I said.

1390
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 2: It actually probably in my opinion.

1391
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: Now that's not to say that Eric, who I was

1392
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: talking to, is wrong, but I'm thinking, in my opinion,

1393
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: it's more than twenty eight season, the twenty twenty seven

1394
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight season, because next season is still going

1395
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,799
Speaker 1: to be an acclamation period. It is easy to forget

1396
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: when you think about last year's run. Part of what

1397
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: made that Pacers run to the finals so incredible and

1398
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: so magical is how unlikely it felt or seemed quite

1399
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: frankly in February and March, and then once it all

1400
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: came together for them and you saw how well offensively

1401
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 1: they jelled, then it made sense.

1402
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 2: But it took a while.

1403
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: Took a while for guys to figure out Halliburton and

1404
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: for Halliburton to figure out how they play, and you know,

1405
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: on and on and on and so for that reason,

1406
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: when you look at next year, I think next year

1407
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,799
Speaker 1: is going to be an entire season of reacclamation because

1408
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: you've got Zubots as your.

1409
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 2: Your big piece.

1410
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: And if you have Haliburton there, and you have Nim Harden,

1411
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: and you have Ni Smith still and obviously Siakam and

1412
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: then Zubots the bench, it goes without saying you still

1413
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: have McConnell. And they've done a really good job this

1414
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: year of very creatively managing to kind of take the

1415
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: air out of the tires for McConnell a little bit,

1416
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: right and allow him to not get too much too

1417
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: worn down, and saving him a little bit because he's

1418
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: an older I mean, I say older, but you get

1419
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

1420
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been dealing with that hamstring soreness pretty muchin

1421
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 4: the start of the season.

1422
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 2: Are you using air quotes there? No, remember he missed time.

1423
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 2: I get it.

1424
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: I get what I'm saying is if this was last

1425
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: year's Pacers team, you know you probably play through it, right.

1426
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: But I mean, but they have done a really good

1427
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: job of making sure of just preserving him quite frankly

1428
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: for that reason, right, because hamstring sorness is something that's

1429
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: gonna happen more when you are how old is McConnell thirty.

1430
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 2: I think he's thirty two.

1431
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have that that happens more at that age

1432
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: than twenty four, right, But you look at the lineup

1433
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 1: that they're gonna have, he's thirty three, you're gonna have

1434
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,480
Speaker 1: three critical pieces.

1435
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 2: Turns thirty four in a week.

1436
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: That the three critical pieces you have next year that

1437
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: you are part of this reacclamation or this.

1438
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 2: This meshing together. Zubats obviously.

1439
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: The role of Jaris Walker and where he factors, because

1440
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: I think this year, the one real benefit is we've seen,

1441
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: to use Ron's great quote, the fog has lifted.

1442
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 2: Jeris Walker.

1443
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: I think now has a pretty firm idea of what

1444
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: his strengths are, what he can do. He can guard

1445
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: a lot of different positions. He's pretty comfortable shooting from

1446
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: the outside. He can play in transition. I really like

1447
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: Jaris Walker. Is Jeris Walker going to be, you know,

1448
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: a top ten level draft pick that you normally see

1449
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: that usually means like your one or your two guy.

1450
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: He'll probably never be that, but a really solid piece, Yes,

1451
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: I think that.

1452
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 2: And then the other is whoever they draft, assuming they

1453
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: end up in the top four. Big if I realize.

1454
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: If you have, whether it be the Bonza, Boozer Peterson,

1455
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: whoever it may be. If you have those players, whichever

1456
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 1: player that is, then you've got to acclimate that as well.

1457
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: And next year is the year that you're doing all that.

1458
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 1: But Eddie, you raise a very interesting point about while

1459
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: I like what Zubots brings to the table, and I

1460
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: think offensively, as I laid out the other day, there

1461
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: are areas that he can I'm not going to say,

1462
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: replicate what Miles Turner did, but there are areas where

1463
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: he has a strength that is of kind of a

1464
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: similar set in terms of he can be effective at

1465
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 1: the offense from the top of the key. Maybe not

1466
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 1: from the shooting standpoint as far out as Turner, but

1467
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: he can draw you out a little bit and.

1468
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 2: Create some space.

1469
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: And so having said all of that, there are still

1470
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 1: areas defensively that I think there is an acclimation period

1471
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: with him as well, and it may force him to

1472
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: play a slightly different style and look than what we're

1473
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: used to right.

1474
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 4: I also think, Jake, you just have to adapt in

1475
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 4: the NBA because everyone's copying what you're trying to do,

1476
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 4: and like, there are a lot of teams that are

1477
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 4: playing quicker this year because they saw what the Pacers

1478
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,799
Speaker 4: did with being able to be more efficient offensively, generate

1479
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,759
Speaker 4: a lot more open threes, and get more guys involved

1480
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 4: to aid the development of other players. And you're starting

1481
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 4: to see more teams do that, and I just think

1482
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 4: you have to evolve over time, and with more of

1483
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 4: the league trying to play quicker like the Pacers did,

1484
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 4: it's not going to be as unique as it once was,

1485
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 4: So you have to kind of adapt when everyone else

1486
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 4: may think you're going to go back to how you

1487
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 4: were playing. Because Tyre's Halliburton is back, He'll get back.

1488
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 4: They'll push the ball up the floor, get across half

1489
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 4: court really quickly, get it into their sets really quickly,

1490
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 4: play that random style of basketball. That part of it

1491
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 4: may not change, but the way it looks may be

1492
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 4: different for sure. And the part that I've started to

1493
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 4: think about a little bit more because of the tournament

1494
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 4: going on with Aj Debonsa getting on national television and

1495
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 4: being able to see him going up against some of

1496
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 4: these other good teams in college basketball, is if they

1497
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 4: do land that first pick and it is Aj Debonsa,

1498
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 4: what does that mean for Jeris Walker moving forward? Because

1499
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 4: they play a similar position, and they're both guys that

1500
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 4: can handle the ball.

1501
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I think it means the same as when

1502
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: Matheren was there with Walker, right, I think Walker's benefit.

1503
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Eddie, I think Debonsa. Let's just say,

1504
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: for the sake of discussion, that de Bonsa is the

1505
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: guy that they draft, or that they believe me, if

1506
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: that is the case, do you happen to have the

1507
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: draft sounder?

1508
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 2: By chance, you happen to have the draft sounder. This

1509
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 2: is how it's going to sound. By the way, when

1510
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:18,839
Speaker 2: it happens.

1511
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 1: With the first pick in the twenty twenty six NBA Draft,

1512
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers select aj Debonsa from Brigham Young University. Now,

1513
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: when that happens, you're then going to hear the breaking

1514
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: news sounder. Do you happen to have the breaking news sounder.

1515
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: Let's just stand traffic backed up on Meridian Street because

1516
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: one O seven to five the fans ja Querry is

1517
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 1: leading a parade apparently from Monument Circle up Meridian, celebrating

1518
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: the fact that the Pacers are I will absolutely lose

1519
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: my mind if they get him, because I'm telling you,

1520
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: I think that guy is so good and that is

1521
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: absolutely I will if the Pacers end up with the

1522
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: first pick in the draft.

1523
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, closely downair in downtown Indianapolis, you'll see the

1524
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,799
Speaker 4: traffic that Jake Querry has started with this parade.

1525
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: Actually, what you'll hear is this, Hey, folks, pretty spook flight.

1526
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: I think tonight from Indianapolis to Provo. Looks like your

1527
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: time is going to bet three hours in nineteen minutes.

1528
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: And there's only one guy on the plane and it's

1529
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: some radio host and a Pacer Jersey. Because I will

1530
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: fly out there, I will walk out there, I'll ride

1531
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: my bike to you Taw to Gog.

1532
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 2: You're going to be clothed. You'd be clothed. I'm telling you.

1533
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 2: Whatever they need me to do, you're not gonna go

1534
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 2: shirt whatever they need me to do.

1535
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 1: But what he would do is he would be that

1536
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: coveted three D wing guy. And then Walker becomes your

1537
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: Swiss Army because Walker you can put at any different

1538
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 1: three positions, and Walker becomes your primary. And this is

1539
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 1: why the Bonxa is so big, so key, because he

1540
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: can place Walker, I'm saying, defensively played different areas and

1541
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: Devonsa can score on the wing, and Walker is still

1542
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: learning scoring comfort, but he has learned defense already. So

1543
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: you can then say to Walker, look, you're a key

1544
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: guy for us, and you don't even need to look

1545
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: to score. You can be our Ben Shephard that's out

1546
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: there defensively and when shots come your way, we know

1547
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: you can score them.

1548
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 2: But we got a guy that can do that for you, Tony.

1549
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: He's going to talk about this and the new CBA

1550
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: and the w NBA at the top of the hour

1551
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: when we come back, why in fact it is the

1552
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: best time of year and why last night showed us

1553
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 1: exactly that.

1554
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 5: Next and I go link to the core with our

1555
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 5: cheek can up three seconds Chickens gives it to Chickens.

1556
01:22:54,560 --> 01:23:01,600
Speaker 7: Champions, the Chickens, the cusser r.

1557
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: CBS, Jim Nance to call there, along with Bill Rafferty

1558
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: of course Chris Jenkins winning it for Villanova. I asked

1559
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 1: the question yesterday on social media the smallest school by

1560
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: enrollment at the time of their National Championship win, Eddie,

1561
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: would you like to wager a guests.

1562
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 4: I saw the overwhelming favorite was Duke in the in

1563
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 4: the comments section.

1564
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: And several people said, what would have been Butler? If

1565
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: they would have won it the And when I say

1566
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: modern era, you know, typically when when we're talking sports,

1567
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: the modern era means after the war. You know, the

1568
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,600
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament began in nineteen thirty nine, so when you

1569
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: say modern era, you probably mean more like almost the

1570
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: after Larry Magic Final four and seventy nine, what kind

1571
01:23:55,439 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: of turned things. But holy Cross US the College of

1572
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:07,919
Speaker 1: Holy Cross from Massachusetts. They don't have exact enrollment figures,

1573
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 1: but it is believed when they won the national championship

1574
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: at nineteen I think it was forty seven that their

1575
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:16,799
Speaker 1: enrollment was at fifteen hundred. That is just a sliver

1576
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: below what believed was San Francisco's enrollment when Bill Russell won.

1577
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 2: Back to back for them.

1578
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: And then if you go into the post Bird Magic era,

1579
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: it would be Villanova six thousand undergraduate students. Duke is

1580
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: at about seventeen thousand. TCU, by the way, has weather

1581
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: to storm here against Ohio State, but Ohio State is

1582
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 1: pushed back again. It is a five point game with

1583
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: nine minutes left in that one Hornfrog's still up. They

1584
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: were up as many as I think thirteen. Ohio State

1585
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: came back got it to within three. TCU pushed it

1586
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 1: back up to nine, and now Ohio State is threatening

1587
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: again South Florida and Louisville, the Cards out to a

1588
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: seventeen to nine lead in that one and Nebraska up

1589
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: sixteen on Troy the half. March Madness is exactly that

1590
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: for so many reasons. And I thought we saw last

1591
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: night everything that is represented in this the greatest tournament,

1592
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: that there is everything that we love about March Madness.

1593
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 1: We love about March Madness, the unpredictability, the Cinderella story,

1594
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: the team that banded together when it mattered most like

1595
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: Prairie View A and M, who have won eight straight

1596
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: now and in doing so, Prairie View A and M.

1597
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 1: By the way, Ohio State has got a huge three

1598
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: from none other than Gabe Cups and they are now

1599
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 1: within two of TCU. Prairie View A and M figured

1600
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: out how to play defense and that defense was going

1601
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: to be their signature, that was going to lead them,

1602
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 1: and they now have won I think eight straight, and

1603
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: that still puts them at just two games over five hundred.

1604
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: But that's the magic of March. A team that's eighteen

1605
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: and seven going into the tournament. There was an eight

1606
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: seed in their conference tournament wins their conference tournament, stamps

1607
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: their way in, punches their ticket, and now here they

1608
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: are and they win a tournament game. And for Prairie

1609
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: View A and M, yes, it might have been the

1610
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: quote unquote playing game, the first four, whatever you want

1611
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: to call it. But for Prairie View A and M

1612
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: at one time was you know what, six games below

1613
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 1: five hundred this season. That win may mean everything. That

1614
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: might mean as much to them as a Final four

1615
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 1: or an Elite eight run does to a Saint John's.

1616
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: And for kids that go to Prairieview A and M,

1617
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: or people that went to school there, to be able

1618
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: to wear their sweatshirt their T shirt today and take

1619
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 1: pride in it because people watched that game last night.

1620
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: That's what it's all about. And then you get Miami Ohio.

1621
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 1: Miami Ohio who went undefeated in the regular season, that

1622
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 1: should right there have gotten them an automatic qualifier, but

1623
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 1: there was all this debate in Bruce Pearl and they

1624
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 1: shouldn't be in and they got to go up against

1625
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: the SMU. And you feel for SMU because that game

1626
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 1: last night in Dayton was everything college basketball is supposed

1627
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: to be. It's a bunch of kids to go to

1628
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: school in Oxford, Ohio, And I mentioned earlier I know

1629
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: a little about Miami, Mia, and Judy went there. My

1630
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: cousin's son Bryce goes there. A lot of people I

1631
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: grew up with went there. And what I know about

1632
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: Miami great academic institution, one of the great public universities

1633
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: of the Midwest, and draws kids from cities all around

1634
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: the Midwest, many of which their favorite team growing up

1635
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 1: is Ohio State or Indiana or Michigan or Kentucky. But

1636
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,560
Speaker 1: they go to Miami, Ohio and they're like, yeah, we

1637
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: go to the games because it's fun. And then this

1638
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 1: team captures the magic of that university and allows their

1639
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: fan base, their students and their alum and they look

1640
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 1: like they've been waiting a quarter century for it. They're

1641
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 1: dressed like barn animals. They're they're out there. I mean,

1642
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: they're going wild. That was a college basketball game last night,

1643
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: But it was a college basketball game of a team

1644
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: that spaced the floor, that back cut the heck out

1645
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: of SMU. SMU had no idea what was going on

1646
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 1: in my Miami understood their teammates, they understood their purpose,

1647
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: they understood their spacing, they understood when and where to

1648
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 1: shoot the basketball. They were so precise and well coached

1649
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: that you saw why they won thirty one straight games

1650
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: and why they belonged in the tournament. And it was

1651
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 1: wonderful for their fans and their lum.

1652
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 7: All of it.

1653
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:19,799
Speaker 2: It was awesome.

1654
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: And you feel for SMU because you're like, man, SMU

1655
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: just got thrown into this blender with these guys. But

1656
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: SMU is coached by Andy Enfeld, who had done the

1657
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 1: same thing with Florida Gulf Coast of going in and

1658
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: lobbing his way past and blowing out Georgetown and becoming

1659
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 1: a Centerella Sweet sixteen. And they were that year's sweetheart.

1660
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: And that's the beauty of the tournament. Schools that are

1661
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: that year's sweetheart. And you never know who it's going

1662
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: to be. Who's this year's Florida Gulf Coast, who's this

1663
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: year's Northern Iowa, who's this year's Cornell. You don't know,

1664
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: And that's the beauty of the tournament. That's what we

1665
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: love about it. But because you now have the transfer

1666
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: portal and NIL, you wonder how much we're going to

1667
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: see continued of the Miami of Ohio's that have groups

1668
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 1: that are veteran, long standing guys that know each other,

1669
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 1: that know a system, that buy into their coach because

1670
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,560
Speaker 1: now the next star of Miami may play there for

1671
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 1: a year before Kentucky comes calling or Louisville comes calling,

1672
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:31,759
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. And that confluence of again,

1673
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, two ways to have dinner. One is

1674
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 1: to take a really good meal and put it in

1675
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: the microwave and it's instantly ready. Or the other is

1676
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: to put a bunch of ingredients into the crockpot and

1677
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: let them simmer for a while. And Miami was a crockpot.

1678
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 1: They've been simmering for a while. Man, it's a good

1679
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: meal to watch. And that was last night awesome and

1680
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: it represented the confluence of college basketball and where it

1681
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 1: is and we don't know where it headed. Ohio State,

1682
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 1: by the way, has now taken the lead over TCU.

1683
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 1: They have roared back from a thirteen point deficit. Buckeyes

1684
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: now up one that game with seven remaining, Nebraska up

1685
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 1: fifteen on Troy, and Louisville now doubling up South Florida Wisconsin.

1686
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison's Badgers, Okay.

1687
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 2: That's a badger.

1688
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, Our Badgers are basically rabid raccoons, right, is that

1689
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 1: what they are?

1690
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 2: You don't want to mess with a badgers, honey badger.

1691
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: In particularly, you don't want to mess with We know

1692
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 1: that badger's doubling up early on high point right.

1693
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 4: A badger is a stout burrowing mammal in the weasel family,

1694
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 4: Oh okay, known for its digging abilities, nocturnal habits, and

1695
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 4: distinctive facial markings.

1696
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 2: Oh what else do we have in common a weasel?

1697
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,919
Speaker 2: He said, They're in the family with otters and farrens.

1698
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 2: I like otters are cool. What's a difference to an

1699
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 2: otter and a beaver? Do we know?

1700
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 4: I'm not getting into this. No, honestly, we need to

1701
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 4: get to Tony East. I'll ask Tony. That'll be the

1702
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 4: first question I asked him. There's a lot to discuss

1703
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 4: with them, but that'll be the first one.

1704
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 1: Next NCAA Tournament opening day, it's the absolute best look

1705
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: forward tomorrow, by the way, at Prime forty seven to

1706
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 1: be there for fast break Friday Man had so much

1707
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: fun there last year. Great people at Prime forty seven.

1708
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 1: And it goes without saying the very best best location

1709
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,480
Speaker 1: pre pacer game, postpacer game for that matter, and tomorrow.

1710
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: There will be a number of people there to watch

1711
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 1: the wall to wall basketball and in addition to that,

1712
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:49,679
Speaker 1: enjoy things like, for example, there lobster mac and cheese.

1713
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: Who doesn't love that, all of the samplings of food

1714
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 1: at Prime forty seven. And on top of all that,

1715
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 1: you still, even though that event is out, there are

1716
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:04,520
Speaker 1: standing room tickets that can be purchased to watch basketball

1717
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 1: and watches we'll be broadcasting. Come by and say hi,

1718
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: seventy five dollars. But that all helps out the Pacers Foundation.

1719
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 1: The Pacers Foundation will benefit from all of this. Ohio

1720
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: State starting to flex a little muscle against TCU. They

1721
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 1: have come roaring back now and they're about to go

1722
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: to the free throw line for an and one to

1723
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,719
Speaker 1: try to go up five on the horn Frogs.

1724
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 4: Would you just over seven ago Wisconsin Jate because you

1725
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 4: started talking about him and now high points within three?

1726
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 2: Come on, now, can we get the badger's sound effect again?

1727
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 3: Please?

1728
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 2: Uh dang it, I gotta pull it back up. Maybe

1729
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 2: that's what we need high point.

1730
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: Let's get him back to their low point of this

1731
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: game by letting them hear the fury of the sound

1732
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:44,799
Speaker 1: of a badger.

1733
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 2: I didn't know if you went in down or if

1734
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 2: you wanted Jeff's pacculey, which one we want you?

1735
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 1: Well, Jeff'spacauley would be high point, right, I mean whenever

1736
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 1: we can hear Jeff's Pacoley. It's fine when referencing high Point.

1737
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the badgers, who doesn't like

1738
01:32:58,720 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 1: the sound of that little badger?

1739
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 2: Now we we.

1740
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 1: Had just mentioned this, Uh, you had mentioned that badger's

1741
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 1: which they're weasels, right, and then what you said they're

1742
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: burrowing weasels that stay up all night. Yes, so basically

1743
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: badger should be my nickname, right, And this is what

1744
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: they sound like right here?

1745
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 2: Do we have the sounder ready? You gave me the

1746
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 2: thumb up that we have the sounder. I give you

1747
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 2: the thumb up that we had Tony East, Oh well.

1748
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: I knew that Tony's more than thrilled to sit here

1749
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:33,679
Speaker 1: and wait. Tony knows that if he yeah, that badger

1750
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,679
Speaker 1: sounds happy truthfully, Tony East joining us on the program. Tony,

1751
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: I know we're going to talk w NBA Collective Bargaining

1752
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 1: Agreement and pacers as well. But I need to ask

1753
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 1: you this first off, because I don't know the answer

1754
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: to this.

1755
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 2: Do you know the difference between an otter and a beaver?

1756
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 8: No, I don't, nor do I. You said we have

1757
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 8: some portly.

1758
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 11: I was gonna make a joke that that soundboard he

1759
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 11: played was actually me, not a soundboard, but.

1760
01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 12: Then I had to answer a trivia question if you

1761
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 12: could Eddie get that fired up.

1762
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,679
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Tony East is excited to join

1763
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: the program, but we caught him on the hot mic

1764
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes ago getting preps for the show.

1765
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:14,759
Speaker 2: Right, isn't that right, Tony?

1766
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 8: Yes?

1767
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 2: Okay, let's begin with this.

1768
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 1: The w NBA Collective Collective Bargaining Agreement. This has obviously

1769
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 1: come about because of the television contract that's come in.

1770
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 1: I believe it's what three hundred million that is part

1771
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 1: of the television contract. But what are the specifics and

1772
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:34,560
Speaker 1: is this now at finality?

1773
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:38,759
Speaker 11: Basically yes, I mean they haven't signed a term sheet

1774
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 11: yet or actually put together in the document. You know,

1775
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 11: lawyers will be working several hours a day. It's till

1776
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 11: the end of the month to do that. But I

1777
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 11: mean there are a lot of like boilerplate things that

1778
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 11: just kind of happened. There was obviously a lot of

1779
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 11: stuff they had to actually figure out, which is why

1780
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 11: it took you know, one hundred straight hours of mid.

1781
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 8: March negotiation to get it done.

1782
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 11: But significant salary increases in the players will wanted you know.

1783
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,520
Speaker 8: A net revenue you know, a revenue.

1784
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 11: Number and not a profit slash net revenue number that

1785
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 11: their salaries were based on. They got that at twenty percent,

1786
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 11: which is huge for them given how much the league,

1787
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 11: because of the TV contracts we're talking about and so

1788
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 11: many of the things, has grown in the last couple

1789
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 11: of years.

1790
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 8: So a huge win for them.

1791
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 11: Jake, minimum salaries next year are going to be higher

1792
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 11: than the maximum salary was for any player last year.

1793
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 8: It's a huge change.

1794
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 4: Now does this effect like Caitlyn Clark and Aliah Boston's

1795
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 4: rookie contracts. Are they going to get a raise in

1796
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 4: their salaries or are they still on the contract they

1797
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 4: signed when they first got drafted by the Fever.

1798
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 11: Yeah, it sounds like again all this is what has

1799
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 11: kind of been spilled out but not officially put in riding.

1800
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 11: It sounds like as of now it will happen as

1801
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:46,719
Speaker 11: rookie contracts from players drafted twenty twenty two or later

1802
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:48,719
Speaker 11: will be bumped up to the minimum.

1803
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,799
Speaker 8: So Kaylin and Aalia will both get.

1804
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 11: Salary increases, which will still be well below their actual

1805
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 11: market value if they were to be free agents, but

1806
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 11: their salary will both be jumping up.

1807
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 1: Yes, Tony, let me share with you what I mentioned yesterday,

1808
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 1: and I want you to because you've been You have

1809
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 1: covered the WNBA as thoroughly as anyone in this market

1810
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 1: and probably in any market where there's a WNBA franchise.

1811
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: The if you look, Tony at the different leagues that

1812
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 1: are tried, right, I mean the football, Like every couple

1813
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 1: of years we get a different league that comes out

1814
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 1: and they're trying to compete with like Spring Football, compete

1815
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 1: with the NFL, et cetera. And eventually the money runs out,

1816
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 1: and so you know, they fold up tent and they

1817
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 1: go home.

1818
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 2: The WNBA.

1819
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: There have been times where, especially when the NBA franchises

1820
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 1: were not subsidizing any longer, where it would have been

1821
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 1: the easy thing to do to say enough is enough.

1822
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: But they weathered the storm. And I think it's very smart.

1823
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 1: And you tell me if there's accuracy to this, it

1824
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 1: would be my observation, as I shared yesterday, what you're

1825
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: seeing now is a league of young women that have

1826
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:01,640
Speaker 1: their entire lives known no other than to know that

1827
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:04,680
Speaker 1: there is a professional league under which to aspire. And

1828
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 1: there were pioneers Cheryl Swoops and Cynthia Cooper and then

1829
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 1: you know Tamika Catchings. There were pioneers for them to

1830
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 1: pattern their game after. And while the league may have

1831
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,639
Speaker 1: been underwater financially during those times, what it was doing

1832
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: was setting precedent and benchmark for improved quality of play

1833
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 1: for women's basketball in giving young women a benchmark as

1834
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 1: to where to go, and that has that has raised

1835
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 1: the level of play and the overall competition and the

1836
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 1: stardom to the point where now finally this has become

1837
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 1: a possibility for the league and for its players. And

1838
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 1: it's all a testament to the pioneer work that was

1839
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 1: done years ago when others wanted to throw in the towel.

1840
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, one hundred percent.

1841
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 11: Like, you know, a lot of teams folded along the way,

1842
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 11: right if you want to draw parallels to those other

1843
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 11: sporting leagues that try to.

1844
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:58,640
Speaker 8: Pop up here and there, but you know, it's like

1845
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 8: whatever you want to be you or what I can't

1846
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 8: even name them.

1847
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 11: There's so many val NFL versions out there now, but

1848
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 11: you know, the WNBA is the premier women's basketball league,

1849
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 11: like those leagues are not that for whatever sport they're

1850
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 11: trying to start some other league for and that the

1851
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 11: w always had that going for them if it was

1852
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 11: the best collection of women's basketball players you could possibly get,

1853
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 11: and that was worth in messing.

1854
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:22,560
Speaker 8: And it kept growing and growing and growing.

1855
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:24,680
Speaker 11: And it really helps to have that backing and a

1856
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 11: lot of shared resources.

1857
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 8: From NBA franchises.

1858
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 11: I mean, for a while, over half the teams were

1859
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 11: maybe it was exactly half, I can't remember, you know,

1860
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 11: under the exact same ownership and a lot of the same.

1861
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 8: Facilities in the same vein as the Fever.

1862
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 11: But you know, the Sparks use a lot of Lakers facilities,

1863
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 11: that's in the Liberty. You could go on and on,

1864
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 11: and that really helped a lot of things keep going

1865
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 11: as well. And so eventually it got to the point

1866
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 11: where I mean it was like the NBA, right, It

1867
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 11: took too the eighties for the NBA to really take off,

1868
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 11: even though it had popularity and traction before that.

1869
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:53,600
Speaker 8: You know, it got to the point now with the

1870
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 8: w where it's like that where it's really exploding. There's

1871
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 8: some stars that.

1872
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 11: Are super popular. All the franchises are. You know, I'm

1873
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 11: finally making money and it's all paid off. They kept

1874
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 11: getting seed funding. I think the last round was in

1875
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 11: twenty twenty one, twenty nineteen, I can't remember. It was

1876
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 11: right around COVID And they'll finally be able to pay

1877
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 11: back some of those creditors now with all this new money.

1878
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 8: Right, So, it has been a really slow build from

1879
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 8: a lot of the like the times you're talking about.

1880
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 11: But you know, while the franchises themselves couldn't stay supported

1881
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 11: or fulled or moved.

1882
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,679
Speaker 8: You know, Tulsa was a thing five years ago there

1883
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 8: in Dallas.

1884
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 11: Now the Aces moved from San Antonio to Vegas. It

1885
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 11: did work out in the end, and now that they

1886
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 11: keep adding teams, they're going to be three more by

1887
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:32,759
Speaker 11: the end of the decade.

1888
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 8: Like it's just it's a huge deal now, and the

1889
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 8: money shows it did.

1890
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: The collective bargaining negotiation period and the uncertainty thereof that

1891
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 1: stalled the ability for teams to obviously sign contracts.

1892
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 8: Correct, Yeah, no, no one's done anything yet.

1893
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:53,480
Speaker 1: So does that mean the Fever basically have the possibility

1894
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the probability, but the possibility that they

1895
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,080
Speaker 1: are this year going to look a little bit like

1896
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: like Darren Dereze's first year in Indiana in terms of

1897
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: a late developed roster.

1898
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:07,759
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'll be very curious how this works because every

1899
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 11: single player in the league, I think there were only

1900
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 11: two veterans, Colnnie Brown and I can't remember the other

1901
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 11: one who signed the multi year contracts last year. So

1902
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 11: basically the entire w is free agents. And I am

1903
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 11: talking to people like kind of around the league or

1904
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 11: connected or whatever, have heard two trends of thought. One

1905
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 11: is that free agency you'd want to be patient because

1906
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 11: there's so much more money. You want to see what

1907
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 11: all is out there for you survey your offers and

1908
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:30,680
Speaker 11: see what you can get. But the other line of

1909
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 11: thought is like the whole free agency process is going

1910
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:35,920
Speaker 11: to be in like a week or less, because it'll

1911
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 11: be like right around the draft and then training camp

1912
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 11: start six days later. If these off thes and calendars

1913
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:43,760
Speaker 11: are to be believed, and if it's so fast, some

1914
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 11: people expect a lot of people to just kind of

1915
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 11: default the familiarity on like a shorter deal.

1916
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 8: So there's kind of two ways of looking at it.

1917
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 11: Where with so much more money, maybe some of the

1918
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 11: actual best players, their free agencies are really dramatic and

1919
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,679
Speaker 11: they're switching. But a lot of the role players will

1920
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 11: just stay in their market. They don't have a lot

1921
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 11: of time to explore and the figure it out next

1922
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 11: year and years later when the off seasons are more similar.

1923
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:08,600
Speaker 11: But I would I mean, the Fever have Clark and

1924
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 11: Boston are they already have two stars, so I expect

1925
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 11: to look somewhat familiar, but at least a little different,

1926
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 11: like every team at the top.

1927
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:20,560
Speaker 4: Will Tony how many players last year did WNBA teams

1928
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 4: have the choice of like freezing so the Golden State

1929
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 4: Valkyries could not select them in an expansion draft?

1930
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 8: The answer was six last year.

1931
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, but it's gonna be different with you know, with

1932
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 11: the way like the Fever only had two players under contract, right.

1933
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1934
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 4: I was going to say, how's the timeline of all

1935
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 4: this going to work now? Because, as you noted, like

1936
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 4: ninety percent of the league or free agents, so none

1937
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 4: of these teams have anybody to freeze. Does this mean that,

1938
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 4: you know, the two expansion teams get to select from

1939
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 4: the free agents?

1940
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see how this all works.

1941
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:53,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, so the the advantage you get as the expansion

1942
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 11: teams is like, you know, we'll see how the rules

1943
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:56,920
Speaker 11: actually shake out.

1944
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 8: But like, for example, Kelsey Mitchell is core eligible.

1945
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Speaker 11: It's basically the w NBA franchise tag, right, she was

1946
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 11: an All W level player last year, so she would

1947
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 11: be coeligible if she got picked by Toronto or Portland

1948
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Speaker 11: as well. So that is a player that FEVER could

1949
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Speaker 11: protect to keep those rights restricted free agency.

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Speaker 8: That's the thing in the NBA as well. That's also

1951
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 8: a thing in the W like that would transfer to

1952
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Speaker 8: the new teams.

1953
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Speaker 11: If you remember Tenny fag Benle from the Fever two

1954
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 11: years ago, she was a restricted free agent. The Valcerrie

1955
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 11: is drafted hurt in the expansion Draft even though she

1956
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Speaker 11: was a free agent, because they knew they were going

1957
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Speaker 11: to be able to sign her in free agency because

1958
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 11: of that restricted tag. So even though there are so

1959
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 11: many free agents who are available, a lot of teams

1960
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 11: will have to decide on their pay their free agency rights,

1961
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Speaker 11: basically who they want to keep from that group and

1962
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 11: who they want to lose. And it's going to be

1963
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 11: really tricky for Portland Toronto to kind of feel the

1964
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 11: rosters and actually get contracts on their team. But I

1965
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 11: think they will be looking to draft free agents who

1966
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 11: they can get their core rights, or they can get

1967
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 11: their restricted rights, whatever, so they know under most circumstances

1968
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 11: they'll be able to keep the actual players that they draft.

1969
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 11: But Golden Stay last year picked a lot up international

1970
01:42:57,560 --> 01:42:59,639
Speaker 11: rights and things like that, so we'll see what actual

1971
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 11: strategy those teams shows. But I think that is where

1972
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:04,759
Speaker 11: the Beaver will start as core elvia players, restricted players,

1973
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 11: so you know, Lexi Hall, Kelsey Mitchell, things like that

1974
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 11: will be their first choices to protect them the draft.

1975
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Speaker 1: You know, it leads to kind of a fun question

1976
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Speaker 1: on this end. Tony Tony East is our guests. He's

1977
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Speaker 1: on the job a house Colbrew coffee guest line the NBA.

1978
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 1: If it's getting set in fact, to expand into Seattle

1979
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:24,720
Speaker 1: and Las Vegas. I'm old enough to remember when the

1980
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,639
Speaker 1: Heat and the Magic and then later the Raptors and

1981
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 1: the Grizzlies came into the league, the way the expansion

1982
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 1: drafts worked, and I remember some of the pace, some

1983
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 1: of the players that the Pacers left unprotected, right Scott

1984
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 1: Skiles is one of them that was unprotected. I think

1985
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 1: Greg Dryling and Stuart Gray were left unprotected. Uh, if

1986
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 1: the if there are going to be if there's going

1987
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 1: to be an expansion draft and the Pacers had to

1988
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:51,720
Speaker 1: leave players on their roster that is expected to be

1989
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: their next year or whenever it's going to be unprotected,

1990
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Speaker 1: who are guys that you would put in that category.

1991
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Speaker 8: For the Pacers? Yes, Yeah, the actual expensier draft is coming.

1992
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Speaker 8: It sounds like in right, you know through three years,

1993
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Speaker 8: and I is.

1994
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Speaker 2: It three years? Though I didn't realize it was that

1995
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 2: far away.

1996
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Speaker 8: I think it's said twenty twenty eight twenty nine.

1997
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Speaker 1: And that's probably hard to determine. That's probably hard to determine, right, But.

1998
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Speaker 11: It actually is an interesting question of like do you

1999
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:18,480
Speaker 11: try to align your contracts to make it very obvious

2000
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 11: at the time who.

2001
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 8: Your six players are? Right?

2002
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 11: Because they have outside of Tyre's Talbert and I think

2003
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,679
Speaker 11: Aaron Eastmath, they don't have anybody under contract for.

2004
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Speaker 8: Twenty twenty eight twenty nine, right, So like do you

2005
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 8: want to add guys too many beyond that season? You know?

2006
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Speaker 11: How they strategize that will actually be fascinating because they

2007
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:34,919
Speaker 11: have a clear.

2008
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Speaker 8: Top six right now.

2009
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Speaker 11: But you know, if McConnell gets older, if some players

2010
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:41,600
Speaker 11: agou who knows Albert and looks posed to kills all

2011
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:44,200
Speaker 11: this stuff like their salary cat situation could change. There's

2012
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Speaker 11: so many variables at play for the next couple of years.

2013
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 11: And there's currently a collectively bargained set of rules for

2014
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 11: expansion drafts.

2015
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Speaker 8: But I wonder if with two teams and with you know,

2016
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 8: new CBA rules that have really kicked in and kind

2017
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 8: of tighten the finances for teams, if they would change

2018
01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 8: them at all.

2019
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Speaker 11: It's a little early to say, but right now it

2020
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 11: seems like the six they would have in a contract

2021
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 11: then are obvious.

2022
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 8: But the NBA team has just changed so fast you

2023
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:05,560
Speaker 8: never know.

2024
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 1: Okay, Tony, when you talk about the core six, clearly

2025
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: zubots is one of those core players for next year

2026
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,640
Speaker 1: now that we and we don't see him yet with

2027
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 1: all the time the guys that he's going to be

2028
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 1: primarily running with next year, But how would you assess,

2029
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 1: both offensively and defensively where he so far fits with

2030
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:30,920
Speaker 1: what they want to do.

2031
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, he the power always really stays. I mean, have

2032
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 8: you been to any games he's played at Jakes. Yes, Okay,

2033
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 8: So the thing that I shoot.

2034
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:40,439
Speaker 11: Out to me so far as for this team that

2035
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 11: obviously they like got famous ish for their playoff defense

2036
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 11: the last two years, being like very forceful and powerful

2037
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:49,160
Speaker 11: and not going.

2038
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 8: To play against the Pacers did.

2039
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:52,639
Speaker 11: But they're a tempo team, like, they're finesse, they're fast,

2040
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:54,719
Speaker 11: and it works really well for them because their players

2041
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:57,679
Speaker 11: all fit that style. So Zubats being this very powerful

2042
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 11: player like really stands out on the possessions where it's

2043
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 11: just like a little slower and the balls thrown to

2044
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 11: him and his defenders slightly overcommitted, and so he just

2045
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 11: kind of overpowers a helper and dunks and draws the

2046
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 11: fouts like, oh, like they haven't had that kind of

2047
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 11: element in a while, Which that alone has been really

2048
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 11: fun for me is to just soak up, like, oh,

2049
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:16,680
Speaker 11: this is different. How are they going to fit in

2050
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:19,519
Speaker 11: a player whose kind of natural gifts and style are

2051
01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:20,920
Speaker 11: a little different than what they're used to.

2052
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:22,800
Speaker 8: So it's been kind of interesting so far.

2053
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 11: The thing that I think has been not as good

2054
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 11: as maybe he would have hoped or as advertised as

2055
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 11: his touch has been really poor.

2056
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 8: He's missing a lot of.

2057
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 11: Those kind of hook shots within eight feet So far,

2058
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 11: think he's shooting like barely over fifty percent on twoes

2059
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 11: to this point, even though he was in almost seventy

2060
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:39,639
Speaker 11: percent with the Clippers. His rebounding, he's actually struggled. Clinging

2061
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 11: got him a lot last night. The Knicks have messed

2062
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 11: him up a few times on the glass, and that's

2063
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 11: supposed to be something that he's good at.

2064
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 8: He's still pulling in a lot of rebounds, eight to

2065
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 8: ten for night.

2066
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 11: But I think even he even admitted after the first

2067
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 11: next game at home that his rebounding was not good

2068
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 11: enough of mental Robinson gave him some trouble. So those

2069
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:57,000
Speaker 11: are the areas that I think he himself would like

2070
01:46:57,080 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 11: to see more. He's been putting a lot of pick

2071
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:00,919
Speaker 11: and roll coverages, but the power, how with the finishes

2072
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 11: has been great. I think he's already passing at a

2073
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 11: better level than I expected him too. He's hitting the

2074
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 11: guys in the bag side. He keeps it moving very quickly.

2075
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 11: And the thing that looks awesome is his screening is

2076
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,680
Speaker 11: just unbelievable. I mean, he levels guys and opens up

2077
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 11: so much space. Last night when they were playing Portland,

2078
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:18,719
Speaker 11: he said a screen on Aaron Nesmith's defender City Sosco

2079
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 11: that freed Aaron Easmith up so for so much time

2080
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,599
Speaker 11: that he shot the ball, missed, tracked down his offensive

2081
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:26,680
Speaker 11: rebound all before his defender got back to him, and

2082
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:28,839
Speaker 11: then he passed into somebody else for a basket.

2083
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 8: So already adding things they haven't had. Certainly has some

2084
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 8: stuff that he would like to work on with more time.

2085
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:35,839
Speaker 11: But I would like to also remind everybody that Pascal

2086
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,719
Speaker 11: Thiakam's defense didn't look particularly good right after he got traded,

2087
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 11: like they had to figure out how he fit, he

2088
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 11: had to figure out what he needed to do, and

2089
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 11: vice versa.

2090
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 8: So I don't expect it to.

2091
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 11: Be perfect right away, but it has been really fun

2092
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,760
Speaker 11: to see just totally new elements that this Pacers team

2093
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 11: hasn't a had basically since the bonus.

2094
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 7: I thought.

2095
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 1: Tony Miles Turner had some interesting comments about zubots where

2096
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:58,680
Speaker 1: he basically said, you know, one of the things that's

2097
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 1: going to be a trick, I guess, for lack of

2098
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 1: a better phrase, for Indiana to figure out, is Halliburton

2099
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: needs space. Halliburton works best when he's got a ton

2100
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 1: of space, right and with turner. You were able to

2101
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 1: move things fluidly so that even if there was an

2102
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 1: area that was clogged, it didn't take long for the

2103
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,680
Speaker 1: guys on the floor to rea space and let Halliburton

2104
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 1: kind kind of water bug around, right and bounce around.

2105
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 1: Does zobots limit the way in which you can do that?

2106
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 11: I do wonder that, right, That's something that you know,

2107
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:32,400
Speaker 11: all the other skills that were talked about with him

2108
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 11: when it came to fit and what he would add

2109
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 11: and all that have all been shown in some way,

2110
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 11: except for any form of shooting. He has not even

2111
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:40,639
Speaker 11: like taken a jumper outside the paint to this point.

2112
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 11: And that turner aspect. I mean, Haliburn talked about that

2113
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:45,719
Speaker 11: for years. He always would talk about how he thought

2114
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 11: the best pick and roll partner for him was like

2115
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:49,680
Speaker 11: a guy like for Shaun Holmes, who was a very

2116
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,599
Speaker 11: good screener who had a really good floater game when

2117
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 11: they were partners in Sacramento. But then working with Miles

2118
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 11: and seeing how much the three point shooting and spacing

2119
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 11: helped him was a big thing. Like defenders, would you know,

2120
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 11: space out and make sure that Turner wasn't open even

2121
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 11: in the plot.

2122
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:04,720
Speaker 8: Sometimes I thought defenses.

2123
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 11: Were too scared of Miles Turner, but he can't make

2124
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 11: in threes throughout the postseason right now is very important

2125
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:10,680
Speaker 11: for the Pacers. So they don't have that element now,

2126
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 11: and so I wonder how they're going to manufacture.

2127
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 8: That with zubots.

2128
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:15,680
Speaker 11: Not that I don't think they can do it. Lots

2129
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:18,679
Speaker 11: of teams with not great shooting bigs can create space.

2130
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:21,760
Speaker 11: But I do wonder specifically how much again, having a

2131
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 11: better screener is going to get Haliburn space right just

2132
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 11: his defender getting leveled by the Viata zubots, what's that

2133
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 11: can open up Tony terms of driving Lench.

2134
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 1: When you look lastly, Tony, when you look at this roster,

2135
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:36,600
Speaker 1: and this is a fluctuating question because we've had this

2136
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:40,200
Speaker 1: discussion a lot with this group and this gap year

2137
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 1: for the Pacers. But I mean, this is no disrespect

2138
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,120
Speaker 1: to the players that you may name, but one of

2139
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 1: the aquariusm if you will, are empty calorie guys. Guys

2140
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 1: that are going out there and you realize, like they're

2141
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 1: giving you minutes, they're logging it, they're not doing anything terrible,

2142
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,439
Speaker 1: They're not they don't they're not hurting you when they're

2143
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 1: on the floor. But they're just kind of empty calorie

2144
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 1: guys that are logging minutes because you're in a situation

2145
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 1: where somebody's got a log minutes. And then when it

2146
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 1: comes to it and in reality you have a representation

2147
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 1: of who you really are. They're not really in any way,

2148
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,280
Speaker 1: shape or form a part of who you are. Give

2149
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 1: me Indiana's empty calorie guys, I'm.

2150
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 11: Not sure they have very I mean, a lot of

2151
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:23,479
Speaker 11: these guys their team have contributed in the postseason before,

2152
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:26,800
Speaker 11: so it's hard to call them that Specifically. Kobe Brown

2153
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 11: right now feels like he picks that bill a little bit.

2154
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 11: I mean, he has been one of their best rebounders

2155
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 11: on the perimeter, but certainly getting more chances than he

2156
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:36,760
Speaker 11: would in a competitive environment right now and taking a

2157
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 11: lot of shots and swooping.

2158
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:38,799
Speaker 8: In for a lot of rebounds.

2159
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Speaker 11: But I don't I don't even know if it'll be

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01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:41,759
Speaker 11: on the team next year, and none the less playing

2161
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:44,720
Speaker 11: you know, real rotation level minutes. A lot of their

2162
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 11: two way guys who are playing certainly would fall that category,

2163
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 11: mostly because they're young and inexperienced.

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01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:51,400
Speaker 8: Like it's great that they're playing, well, it's it's.

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Speaker 11: Meaningful for the future that they're playing well and not

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01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 11: playing poorly obviously, but maybe not super significant in terms

2167
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:00,559
Speaker 11: of them doing this for real minute it's next season

2168
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 11: or anything like that.

2169
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 8: But you know, it's really hard. It's like some of

2170
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 8: these guys are putting up stats that are probably bigger

2171
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:06,719
Speaker 8: than they would in normal environment.

2172
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 11: I think of Jars Walker and Ben Shepard in that way,

2173
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:11,720
Speaker 11: but I don't even consider them empty because one, they

2174
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 11: need to be developing the skills they're doing, and two

2175
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:16,759
Speaker 11: we've seen them be good in real, non empty situation,

2176
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 11: so their production being higher is still good, even if

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01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 11: it's not necessarily something I expect to be replicated next season.

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01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:24,760
Speaker 1: Okay, finally, Tony, I need your final four. Give me

2179
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 1: your final four and your college bracket. Give me your

2180
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 1: upset special.

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01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 8: I have to Can I pull it up? I don't

2182
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 8: even remember?

2183
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:36,840
Speaker 1: Sure, obviously, something you strongly believe in your picks here.

2184
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:40,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, big, big, go through Ken Pum and learn about

2185
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:44,800
Speaker 8: who these teams are like right before I actually picked.

2186
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 8: That's right, My champion is the Duke Blue Devils.

2187
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 11: Before I click on it, see look at me very

2188
01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:52,839
Speaker 11: off the beaten path. My final four is Duke Illinois, Michigan,

2189
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 11: and Purdue.

2190
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:57,400
Speaker 2: Three final four or three big tens of the final four?

2191
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 8: Do I have any big upsets in the first round?

2192
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:05,880
Speaker 8: Not really, not really.

2193
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: Eight That reminds me of nineteen eighty five because eighty

2194
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 1: five you have three out of the Big East in

2195
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:13,720
Speaker 1: the final four.

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01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 8: Can I ask you a question about college basketball?

2197
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 11: Yes, sir, because the way I'd like, I always researched

2198
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:21,800
Speaker 11: the tournament the same way and it never actually helps me.

2199
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 8: It's just like a fun thing to do.

2200
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 11: Do you feel like nil is making upsets less likely

2201
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:28,760
Speaker 11: the worst teams in the tournament.

2202
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:30,000
Speaker 2: Are, because that's what I talked about.

2203
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:32,839
Speaker 1: If you look at last night, am Miami of Ohio,

2204
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 1: Miami of Ohio represents the magic of the tournament because

2205
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:39,840
Speaker 1: you have teams that are really well coached, They space,

2206
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:42,600
Speaker 1: they understand each other, they've played, they've got experience.

2207
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 2: You know, they've got each other's back.

2208
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know that right now, we're going to

2209
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 1: see the impact like it's going to be in five years,

2210
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 1: when it's going to be harder and harder to keep

2211
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 1: those teams together. And that's the challenge, right because it

2212
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 1: used to be, as I mentioned earlier, Tony. There are

2213
01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 1: two ways to make a dinner. One is you buy

2214
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:05,599
Speaker 1: one that you put in the microwave and you pull

2215
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:07,519
Speaker 1: it out and it's great and it's instantly ready, and

2216
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 1: that's what like the one and done, loaded players and

2217
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 1: teams are. The other is you have a crock pot

2218
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 1: where you put stuff in and you let it simmer

2219
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:16,280
Speaker 1: for a really long time and it's a really good meal,

2220
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:20,000
Speaker 1: but it's not as quickly available to you as the first.

2221
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know how many crockpots we're going to

2222
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:26,360
Speaker 1: have moving forward. Unfortunately. I think it works itself out eventually,

2223
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:28,400
Speaker 1: but I think we're going to go through. Basketball is

2224
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: a cyclical game, right, and so we'll see how.

2225
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 2: That works out.

2226
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:35,599
Speaker 11: It just feels like there's a wider gap and there's

2227
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:37,760
Speaker 11: less teams that I'm like, oh, that eleven seed very

2228
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 11: clearly is awesome on offense or something like something that

2229
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 11: really pops like that, and maybe there will be a

2230
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:45,200
Speaker 11: lot of upsets. But it just feels a little different to.

2231
01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:45,840
Speaker 2: Me for some reason.

2232
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. The other thing that does

2233
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 1: hurt a little bit, and it's still the magic is

2234
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:55,400
Speaker 1: still there. I mean, the one shining moment is still

2235
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 1: sentimental and the incredible matchups of eight Nines that you

2236
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 1: realize how incredible the tournament was able to put together

2237
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 1: matchups that are just perfectly coincided with one another. All

2238
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 1: of that is still there. But the thing you lose

2239
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:11,599
Speaker 1: now is the familiarity of player. You know, Oh, man,

2240
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 1: wait till this guy's a junior, how good he's gonna be?

2241
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 1: And you know, because now it's like, who are these guys?

2242
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 8: Right? But it's still the question I had. I was

2243
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 8: talking to a fasice player about yesterdaction too.

2244
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 11: If you went to a non power five school, would

2245
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 11: you rather win the NIT or make the ant tournament

2246
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 11: but lose in the first round.

2247
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 2: I think most would go with the latter. Would they say?

2248
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 2: What was the answer?

2249
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 8: I will not tell you who they were, what their

2250
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:38,839
Speaker 8: answers were, but I thought it was a fun discussion.

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01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, And like I said, last night, Prairie

2252
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 1: View A and M they get in and they win

2253
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 1: a tournament game and it's in the first four. But

2254
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 1: you know what, they were the only game on TV.

2255
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,600
Speaker 1: Everybody was watching it and it was awesome and it

2256
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 1: was fun and good for them. That's their final four

2257
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:52,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

2258
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 8: I you beating Wyoming. It was awesome. I love the

2259
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 8: first four.

2260
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:58,400
Speaker 1: It should always be in Dayton. Somebody's got buys are

2261
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:01,400
Speaker 1: dump but Mike, I don't care. Tradition in dating every

2262
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 1: year first four. Hello, Hello, Tony, appreciate it.

2263
01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 8: Fami guys.

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01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have one that's coming down to the wire.

2265
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 1: I just mentioned eight nine games. Now, I'm not gonna

2266
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:12,920
Speaker 1: do this. There's nothing worse than when you turn on

2267
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 1: a radio show and the guy's doing play by play

2268
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,280
Speaker 1: of a game that he's watching on TV, primarily because

2269
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,880
Speaker 1: then people are going to immediately switch over. But Ohio

2270
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 1: State just had to heave one from half court and

2271
01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:25,520
Speaker 1: it did not go in, and so therefore Eddie, go

2272
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 1: ahead and hit it, go ahead and hit it. This

2273
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 1: just in the first game complete in the twenty twenty

2274
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:42,920
Speaker 1: six NCAA Tournament, the TCU Horned Frogs have held off

2275
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 1: a late surge and an incredible three point shot that

2276
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 1: tied things with a minute left, and TCU has defeated

2277
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: Ohio State by two.

2278
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 2: The first Big Ten team is out. Buck guys are gone.

2279
01:55:56,840 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't imagine in the in the in the

2280
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 4: time out they called with four seconds. That's what they

2281
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 4: that's what they came up with. Yeah, that the play

2282
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 4: would be, all right, We're gonna inbound the ball to

2283
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:08,720
Speaker 4: a guy that's three inches away from the in line,

2284
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:11,800
Speaker 4: handed off to Bruce Thornton and just get up a

2285
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:12,640
Speaker 4: half court shot.

2286
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he had time left when he took that shot.

2287
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 1: I think one thing here's this leads to.

2288
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:23,080
Speaker 2: That's just a horrible way for Bruce Joorton's career in

2289
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:25,360
Speaker 2: Ohio State to end like so good.

2290
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 1: One thing I would do if I'm a coach. Two things,

2291
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 1: Two things that I would do if I'm a coach.

2292
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:36,520
Speaker 1: And I'm shocked you don't see it more. I'll tell

2293
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 1: you the other side.

2294
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 7: Well, the Cavilers are playing with four guards, and the

2295
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:44,360
Speaker 7: four guards out there along with Sepwick, that that's free throw.

2296
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:56,440
Speaker 7: Shoot Clark in a straight check. He's going away time.

2297
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:03,760
Speaker 7: Did we too suitable? Did we just saw who?

2298
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:09,400
Speaker 1: Indeed, Kevin Harlan, you saw part of the madness Furman

2299
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 1: over Virginia NCAA tournament, and we have the first completed game,

2300
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 1: as we'd mentioned, TCU over Ohio State horn Frogs. And

2301
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 1: there's nothing better than watching the mascot come out in

2302
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:24,120
Speaker 1: high five the coach.

2303
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:25,600
Speaker 2: That's the best part of the whole thing.

2304
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:30,880
Speaker 1: Wisconsin hanging on right now, They're up to over high

2305
01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 1: Point at the half.

2306
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 2: High Point could shoot from the outside.

2307
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 4: Man, I told you, Jake, that high Point was the

2308
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:38,280
Speaker 4: team I was gonna root for. And then they got

2309
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 4: matched up against Wisconsin. I was like, no, watch right, yeah,

2310
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 4: they thought they were playing like how I thought Troy

2311
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 4: was playing against Nebraska.

2312
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:50,440
Speaker 2: Nebraska's pulled away from Troy right they were up thirty

2313
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:57,240
Speaker 2: last time I saw which I should get our paper. Okay,

2314
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:01,600
Speaker 2: he's he's damn, you're in the running right now.

2315
01:58:01,880 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 1: Oh, you're right, blowout right, I know, Dan, they got Troy.

2316
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:10,440
Speaker 1: Now Here are two things. If I was a coach

2317
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: and this time of year just further like shows it sometimes.

2318
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:20,240
Speaker 1: At the end of the Ohio State TCU game, Ohio

2319
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:22,720
Speaker 1: State had just under five seconds to go to the

2320
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 1: length of the floor. They were down two. They they

2321
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:30,560
Speaker 1: put up a shot from half court that went off.

2322
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't close, and I think the horn didn't even

2323
01:58:35,200 --> 01:58:37,640
Speaker 1: sound to the ball had like bounced off the glass

2324
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:42,120
Speaker 1: and back onto the ground. I do think if I

2325
01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:44,839
Speaker 1: was a basketball coach thirty And I'm not saying coaches

2326
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 1: don't work on this. And in the in the heat

2327
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 1: of the moment, you know, we can sit and talk

2328
01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:57,840
Speaker 1: all day long, and we do do this. When you

2329
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:03,840
Speaker 1: do what we do for living, you have meetings and

2330
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 1: you have strategies and you break things down on the

2331
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:09,600
Speaker 1: way that you're supposed to deliver things and say things,

2332
01:59:09,720 --> 01:59:13,040
Speaker 1: and tease things and payoff teases and all of that.

2333
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:18,360
Speaker 1: And I had a conversation yesterday. I really enjoyed it.

2334
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:22,920
Speaker 1: I got an email yesterday that then led to a

2335
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:29,560
Speaker 1: phone conversation with Phil, the Pride of Anderson, and Phil

2336
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:31,640
Speaker 1: and I were talking, you know, and I was telling them,

2337
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're very lucky to do what we do.

2338
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know that even we do it well.

2339
01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:42,600
Speaker 1: But if you do it long enough, you become fortunate

2340
01:59:42,720 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 1: that you're familiar background for people, right and so, but

2341
01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 1: you have all kinds of strategies where they talk about

2342
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:52,040
Speaker 1: what the way that you're supposed to say things and

2343
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:55,400
Speaker 1: deliver things and whatever else. And then sometimes when you

2344
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:58,760
Speaker 1: get on the air and the arrows are flying in

2345
01:59:58,840 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 1: the moment, it's easy to free get all of the

2346
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:03,160
Speaker 1: things that you talked about in the strategies you came

2347
02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 1: up with, And I think, so maybe coaches do do

2348
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,280
Speaker 1: what I'm about to mention, But if I was a

2349
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:13,520
Speaker 1: coach of a college basketball team, I honestly think maybe

2350
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:17,600
Speaker 1: not at the end of every practice, but in the

2351
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:20,600
Speaker 1: vast majority, you know, twice a week over the course

2352
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:25,200
Speaker 1: of the season, I would end practice by having one

2353
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:29,080
Speaker 1: of my managers, or maybe even for that matter, all

2354
02:00:29,160 --> 02:00:32,080
Speaker 1: of the players but one sit there with a stopwatch

2355
02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:36,040
Speaker 1: and start it and then run a drill where you

2356
02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:40,120
Speaker 1: have one guy that has to go up the floor

2357
02:00:40,280 --> 02:00:43,680
Speaker 1: with chairs or defenders in the way, and then put

2358
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:50,680
Speaker 1: up a shot just to instill and ingrain and implant

2359
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:53,480
Speaker 1: in the mind of your players how much longer five

2360
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:56,920
Speaker 1: seconds is than you think, because I think so often

2361
02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:59,800
Speaker 1: when you have games like that or plays like that,

2362
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:06,760
Speaker 1: you see players that seemingly are unaware of how much time.

2363
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:07,600
Speaker 2: Really is left.

2364
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:09,960
Speaker 1: And I totally get it, because when you're out there

2365
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:11,920
Speaker 1: and the arrows are flying and the moment is there,

2366
02:01:13,240 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 1: you've gone over it once or twice maybe, but you

2367
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:16,360
Speaker 1: don't realize it.

2368
02:01:16,440 --> 02:01:16,880
Speaker 2: In that moment.

2369
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:19,360
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my gosh, and kind of a panic

2370
02:01:19,480 --> 02:01:24,920
Speaker 1: sets in. I totally get it, and it just seems

2371
02:01:25,080 --> 02:01:30,080
Speaker 1: like few teams so often. You know, that play that

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Speaker 1: we played earlier, the Bryce Drew played for Valpo, which

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Speaker 1: is still talked about nearly thirty years later. Twenty eight

2374
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Speaker 1: years later, we're playing highlights of it. And yet Homer

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02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:41,320
Speaker 1: Drew and Bryce Drew had talked about they had worked

2376
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Speaker 1: on that play in practice on a number of occasions.

2377
02:01:45,240 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 1: The Cordell Stewart Hell Mary to Michael Westbrook that beat Michigan.

2378
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Speaker 1: You know later Cordell Stewart said, like they at the

2379
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Speaker 1: end of practices they would work on that play or

2380
02:01:55,320 --> 02:02:01,840
Speaker 1: a variation of it, because you never know the play

2381
02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:06,440
Speaker 1: that Gordon you know, can you imagine if that shot

2382
02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:10,000
Speaker 1: from Hayward goes down? And what you don't realize in

2383
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:12,760
Speaker 1: that Gordon Hayward shot against Duke that he nearly hit

2384
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:16,240
Speaker 1: Number one, he took it to the last possible moment

2385
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:19,320
Speaker 1: to get that shot off. And number two the unbelievable

2386
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:25,080
Speaker 1: screen set by Matt Howard, because they had clearly worked

2387
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 1: on that play before they knew exactly and precisely how

2388
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Speaker 1: to operate it. The other thing that I have always felt,

2389
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Speaker 1: let's say, Eddie, there's four point eight seconds left in

2390
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Speaker 1: the game. Okay, you're up to and you are inbounding

2391
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Speaker 1: the length of the floor. So let's say so you're

2392
02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:50,960
Speaker 1: leading by two, so you're up four. Okay, you're up

2393
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:54,960
Speaker 1: for and your opposition scores a basket, and now there's

2394
02:02:56,520 --> 02:02:59,000
Speaker 1: four point two seconds left, let's say four point seven.

2395
02:03:01,120 --> 02:03:04,680
Speaker 1: You inbound it to your guard. You know you're gonna

2396
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:10,040
Speaker 1: get fouled, right. I've always felt this one of the

2397
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Speaker 1: things I would work on if I was a coach,

2398
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:15,040
Speaker 1: And I've mentioned this on the radio for years, but

2399
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Speaker 1: if I was a coach, one of the things that

2400
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:20,720
Speaker 1: I would work on and try to perfect would be

2401
02:03:21,800 --> 02:03:23,760
Speaker 1: when I do that twice a week at the end

2402
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:26,800
Speaker 1: of practice. The other thing I would do would be

2403
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:30,560
Speaker 1: I would routinely have all of my players stand at

2404
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:36,400
Speaker 1: one end of the court and practice taking wonderable stopping

2405
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:39,720
Speaker 1: and then underhand or overhand, whichever is more comfortable for

2406
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:44,400
Speaker 1: the player, throwing the ball literally as high into the

2407
02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:48,280
Speaker 1: air as I possibly can to the other end of

2408
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:50,880
Speaker 1: the floor. Now you have a mid court. Now a

2409
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:53,440
Speaker 1: lot of these places you have a mid court video

2410
02:03:53,560 --> 02:03:57,480
Speaker 1: board there to contend with I realize, but if you

2411
02:03:57,640 --> 02:03:59,800
Speaker 1: work on it enough, over the year. Not only do

2412
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:02,800
Speaker 1: eyes get used to it, but you also then know

2413
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:05,280
Speaker 1: which of your players has the ability to throw at

2414
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 1: the highest and kill the most time. And you do

2415
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:09,920
Speaker 1: that twice a week over the course of the season.

2416
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:12,400
Speaker 1: So by the time the tournament rolls around or a

2417
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:16,400
Speaker 1: game rolls around, you've worked on it fifty times and

2418
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:19,680
Speaker 1: you know almost to a tenth of a second how

2419
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:21,400
Speaker 1: long it takes for that ball to come all the

2420
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:24,920
Speaker 1: way down, because it's entirely possible you could run the

2421
02:04:25,080 --> 02:04:28,400
Speaker 1: entire clockout, or the opposition gets it. They go down

2422
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:30,600
Speaker 1: there and they catch the ball and they're like, I

2423
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:34,600
Speaker 1: just fell into my hands. And the other team is

2424
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:36,040
Speaker 1: not going to have the presence of mind to catch

2425
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:38,120
Speaker 1: it and immediately call a time out. They're going to

2426
02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:40,600
Speaker 1: catch it and panic and try to shoot a shot,

2427
02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:42,560
Speaker 1: and it's impossible to do. When the ball's falling out

2428
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:46,480
Speaker 1: of the sky like a meteor and the game's over.

2429
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:48,400
Speaker 4: You don't even have to really toss it up that

2430
02:04:48,560 --> 02:04:52,400
Speaker 4: high either, right, You've got enough for what three seconds

2431
02:04:52,440 --> 02:04:52,840
Speaker 4: to come off.

2432
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:54,880
Speaker 1: The car And that's what and I don't know how

2433
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:57,520
Speaker 1: hot you know. That's why if you practice it enough,

2434
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:02,640
Speaker 1: you know exactly what the time frame is yeah, you know, like, okay,

2435
02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:05,880
Speaker 1: look there's five point five and we've practiced this fifty

2436
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,240
Speaker 1: times over the course of the year, and we've never

2437
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:12,080
Speaker 1: done it in anything over three point eight seconds, so

2438
02:05:12,200 --> 02:05:14,160
Speaker 1: we can't do it on this play. But there's three

2439
02:05:14,200 --> 02:05:16,680
Speaker 1: point four left, and we've done this in ninety percent

2440
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:18,800
Speaker 1: of the time. It takes at least three point eight seconds.

2441
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:23,080
Speaker 1: We're doing it right now. I'm always and I've never

2442
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:26,120
Speaker 1: really seen a team execute that. I've never seen anybody

2443
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:28,840
Speaker 1: do it, and it just seems like it would be

2444
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:33,120
Speaker 1: the logical thing to do. But you know, people much

2445
02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:36,160
Speaker 1: smarter than I work these things out on a regular basis.

2446
02:05:36,160 --> 02:05:38,080
Speaker 4: You got to remember, Jake, they're college kids too, so

2447
02:05:38,200 --> 02:05:40,440
Speaker 4: like there's always the chance the ball like slips out

2448
02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:42,600
Speaker 4: of their hand with their own or it gets swiped

2449
02:05:42,600 --> 02:05:45,840
Speaker 4: out of there. I like what the Pacers do is

2450
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:49,360
Speaker 4: they they do the football play. You know, you get

2451
02:05:49,400 --> 02:05:53,400
Speaker 4: everyone lined up on the baseline and then everyone just.

2452
02:05:55,480 --> 02:05:55,520
Speaker 8: It.

2453
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Speaker 2: I guess JAMV has a faulty port by the way,

2454
02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 2: it's what they did with the excuse me, uh, I

2455
02:06:01,960 --> 02:06:04,400
Speaker 2: think JV just said I have him in the preview

2456
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:06,040
Speaker 2: to make sure that he's all ready to go for

2457
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Speaker 2: his remote. He's a union Jack, correct, and yeah, he's

2458
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:11,880
Speaker 2: a union Jack. And I hear I have a faulty port.

2459
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Speaker 1: I love union Jack, love it. Great people there. Jay

2460
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Speaker 1: is the best a union Jack, love it, love everything

2461
02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:23,760
Speaker 1: about Union Jack. So we'll see with John with the

2462
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:27,440
Speaker 1: crossover if we can get that done. But I again,

2463
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:31,840
Speaker 1: I've just never seen anybody try. That is simply my point.

2464
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:34,720
Speaker 1: Simply my point. We'll see if we can catch up

2465
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Speaker 1: with John as part of the crossover. Brought to you

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Speaker 2: I told you guys.

2470
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Speaker 1: Just recently, my mom had kind of an emergency with

2471
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Speaker 1: the furnace.

2472
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Speaker 2: Late at night.

2473
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Speaker 1: They came out with their twenty four hour on call

2474
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Speaker 1: maintenance did Love. And not only did they come out

2475
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Speaker 1: and take a look at it, but then the next

2476
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Speaker 1: day Love called because they'd taken photos of they knew

2477
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Speaker 1: exactly what needed to be done, and they got it

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Speaker 1: done in a timely fashion. A Jiffy care of my mom,

2479
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Speaker 1: and a Jiffy took care of it and I love it.

2480
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Speaker 1: And by the way, I was asking around the building

2481
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Speaker 1: the other day on this, and so if anybody knows,

2482
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Speaker 1: let me know this. Okay, my number three one seven

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Speaker 1: phone number. I think most people have it by now.

2485
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Speaker 1: Three one seven five two three ninety two eighty eight.

2486
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Speaker 1: My sisters and I are currently helping out my parents

2487
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Speaker 1: just in you know, some of the home improvements around

2488
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Speaker 1: my my parents' house. It's the reality of you know,

2489
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Speaker 1: just the my parents have lived in that house for

2490
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Speaker 1: a very long time. It's a wonderful house. But one

2491
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Speaker 1: of the things that that I didn't know. I have

2492
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Speaker 1: no expertise on this. I have no knowledge of it,

2493
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Speaker 1: and I didn't know if anybody could point us in

2494
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Speaker 1: the right direction. Does anybody know the best place to go?

2495
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Speaker 1: I'm going to use this like it's tradio here. You know,

2496
02:07:57,640 --> 02:08:00,560
Speaker 1: when you get in that position where you're helping out

2497
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:03,200
Speaker 1: your parents, you want to trustworthy company to come over.

2498
02:08:03,240 --> 02:08:05,680
Speaker 1: That's why I love is so great. I need the

2499
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Speaker 1: same for a place that can do a gutter repair

2500
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Speaker 1: and clean like clean a gutter and then kind of

2501
02:08:12,040 --> 02:08:14,480
Speaker 1: a gutter repair on part of the house and a

2502
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:17,320
Speaker 1: professional window rusher, and I have no idea what to

2503
02:08:17,400 --> 02:08:20,280
Speaker 1: turn on either. And helping out my parents. So many

2504
02:08:20,360 --> 02:08:24,520
Speaker 1: things that my dad we just naturally he took care of.

2505
02:08:24,920 --> 02:08:28,680
Speaker 1: And you know now that he's in a recovery process,

2506
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:31,680
Speaker 1: you're picking up the pieces on that and some of

2507
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:33,880
Speaker 1: the things that you think, man, kudos to dad.

2508
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:36,720
Speaker 2: And I have no idea.

2509
02:08:38,240 --> 02:08:40,480
Speaker 1: Other than turning to my dad. Who to turn to

2510
02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:43,840
Speaker 1: so gutter or window rushers. If you know a place

2511
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:46,160
Speaker 1: that can do it and do it reliably and trustworthy,

2512
02:08:48,040 --> 02:08:49,960
Speaker 1: send me a text on it. Well find out if

2513
02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:51,720
Speaker 1: Jay and V is there. By the way, tomorrow I

2514
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:54,720
Speaker 1: will be at Prime forty seven. I cannot wait for that.

2515
02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:57,800
Speaker 1: It's going to be awesome day tomorrow at Prime forty seven.

2516
02:08:57,920 --> 02:08:59,800
Speaker 1: John's at Union Jack and we will see if we

2517
02:08:59,800 --> 02:09:01,040
Speaker 1: can touch basing the next.

2518
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:03,680
Speaker 2: Or win in with the.

2519
02:09:03,720 --> 02:09:10,680
Speaker 5: Three Taylor attacks glooms even at seventy two two point

2520
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:13,200
Speaker 5: seven nine, last chance with the Panther, and.

2521
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:15,440
Speaker 7: He said he wouldn't take a time out in this situation.

2522
02:09:16,080 --> 02:09:17,800
Speaker 7: Jesspison hop cot He.

2523
02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:27,760
Speaker 9: Jason went down the buzzle seventy seventy.

2524
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:32,480
Speaker 1: Two Northern Iowa, who by the way, I think could

2525
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:35,440
Speaker 1: perhaps surprise some people in this tournament. We shall see,

2526
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:37,200
Speaker 1: but the last time they were in it, they defeated

2527
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:43,120
Speaker 1: Texas on that incredible shot ten years ago. Tomorrow, I

2528
02:09:43,240 --> 02:09:44,840
Speaker 1: look forward to it going to be out at Prime

2529
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:47,800
Speaker 1: forty seven, all of this helping out the Pacers Foundation,

2530
02:09:49,200 --> 02:09:52,680
Speaker 1: Steak frights and lobster mac and cheese for all as

2531
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:56,200
Speaker 1: they're going to pack it in healing whiskey, Gray Goose

2532
02:09:56,280 --> 02:09:58,600
Speaker 1: Vodka will be making drinks. Papa Shot Tournament will be

2533
02:09:58,680 --> 02:10:01,800
Speaker 1: there and I'll be they're broadcasting tomorrow as well. It's

2534
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:03,640
Speaker 1: sold out right now with all of the tables and

2535
02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:06,360
Speaker 1: everybody enjoying all of that with basketball going on. But

2536
02:10:07,160 --> 02:10:08,840
Speaker 1: if you'd like to come and hang out, they have

2537
02:10:08,920 --> 02:10:12,800
Speaker 1: a standing room access only area towards the bar for

2538
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:16,400
Speaker 1: a seventy five dollars donation to the Pacers Foundation. You

2539
02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:18,560
Speaker 1: can be there and enjoy it, and I look forward

2540
02:10:18,600 --> 02:10:20,360
Speaker 1: to it. It's an awesome place. They do a great job.

2541
02:10:20,360 --> 02:10:24,280
Speaker 1: Braut of the group over there, great folks like just

2542
02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:27,680
Speaker 1: like I mentioned with Jay and everybody over at Union Jack,

2543
02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:30,800
Speaker 1: which is where John joins us now on this John,

2544
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:35,120
Speaker 1: I know we talk about the night before Thanksgiving being

2545
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:37,120
Speaker 1: one of the great bar nights. But in terms of

2546
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:40,440
Speaker 1: just overall great days, Man, opening day of the tournament,

2547
02:10:40,520 --> 02:10:41,160
Speaker 1: and it's here.

2548
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:43,840
Speaker 12: It is damn good to be out, There's no doubt

2549
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:45,960
Speaker 12: about that. And I remember a year ago when you

2550
02:10:46,040 --> 02:10:48,880
Speaker 12: were a prime forty seven. That was a elatiously awesome time.

2551
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:50,360
Speaker 2: It was. Yeah, you were there, Aaron.

2552
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:53,240
Speaker 12: I'll do that again tomorrow, because tomorrow I'm down at

2553
02:10:53,240 --> 02:10:55,720
Speaker 12: Clayton's Country Bar right after you, so that's not too

2554
02:10:55,800 --> 02:10:56,280
Speaker 12: far away.

2555
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:57,440
Speaker 7: We shall do that.

2556
02:10:57,520 --> 02:10:59,960
Speaker 12: But now, seriously, you get day number one in the afternoon,

2557
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:04,000
Speaker 12: and then when you mix in, I think the sunshine

2558
02:11:04,160 --> 02:11:06,440
Speaker 12: and the warmer temperatures and the day that is like

2559
02:11:06,520 --> 02:11:09,080
Speaker 12: today and what is supposed to be on the inbound tomorrow, Jake,

2560
02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:12,280
Speaker 12: that makes this even better. I mean, all encompassing, just

2561
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:15,280
Speaker 12: a terrific day for you to be in broad Ripple

2562
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:18,600
Speaker 12: with us, with bud light and many hoopsmania, your chance

2563
02:11:18,640 --> 02:11:21,680
Speaker 12: to qualify right here at the Union Jack, a place

2564
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:23,880
Speaker 12: that we both hold near and dear to our heart.

2565
02:11:24,680 --> 02:11:26,280
Speaker 2: I love Union Jack Man, love it.

2566
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:29,960
Speaker 12: What all's on the big program today, Mike Chapel per

2567
02:11:30,120 --> 02:11:32,200
Speaker 12: usual on a Thursday. I think Kevin Todd is back

2568
02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:34,120
Speaker 12: later off today. He's going to give us some bets

2569
02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:36,720
Speaker 12: for the tournament, some strategies for the tournament, and be

2570
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:39,560
Speaker 12: right about everything. We're going to the tournament, and we'll

2571
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:42,839
Speaker 12: get Ray Pel Davis, the former Boilermaker Big ten Network's

2572
02:11:42,840 --> 02:11:44,640
Speaker 12: going to join us, and we'll find out from him

2573
02:11:44,640 --> 02:11:48,440
Speaker 12: as the Boilermakers embark on their NCAA tournament Round number

2574
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:51,000
Speaker 12: one tomorrow in Saint Louis what changed over the course

2575
02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:53,320
Speaker 12: of what he witnessed in Chicago. And he was right

2576
02:11:53,400 --> 02:11:56,080
Speaker 12: front and center at the UC over that four game

2577
02:11:56,160 --> 02:12:00,160
Speaker 12: period that everybody is worried prior to, and then I

2578
02:12:00,200 --> 02:12:01,920
Speaker 12: think a lot of people were kind of on board

2579
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:05,080
Speaker 12: with this thing, pushing it maybe to the limit to

2580
02:12:05,200 --> 02:12:07,720
Speaker 12: Indianapolis with the boiler Makers, if you like me going

2581
02:12:07,800 --> 02:12:10,880
Speaker 12: that direction. So all encompassing was somebody that would know

2582
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:13,120
Speaker 12: Ray Fell Davis is going to join us later off today.

2583
02:12:13,240 --> 02:12:16,280
Speaker 1: All right, John, we'll see And already great games TC

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Speaker 1: Ohio State was a great game. I thought Miami last

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Speaker 1: night was fun and prayerview A and m you know,

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Speaker 1: the fact they get to win was cool. So we'll

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Speaker 1: see what's happening, and I know Union Jack will be

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Speaker 1: the place to see all of it. We'll throw it

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Speaker 1: out to you here shortly. All right, you got it, buddy,

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Speaker 1: all right, J and V at Union jack Man. What

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Speaker 1: a gorgeous day outside. I'm looking outside right now and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, let's go. I'm excited to go out and

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Speaker 1: be able to enjoy it later and look forward to

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Speaker 1: seeing everybody out. If you are out and about tonight.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back tomorrow again. We were going

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Speaker 1: to be at Prime forty seven. Luke Ardle, the probably

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Speaker 1: front runner for mister Basketball, the Purdue recruit from Mount Vernon,

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Speaker 1: going to join us on the program tomorrow. I think

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Speaker 1: Kevin as well. We'll do good for the hard Friday

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Speaker 1: and we'll be at Prime forty seven, and that is

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Speaker 1: going to be a ton of fun. So we'll have

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Speaker 1: plenty of basketball to talk about. We'll do it tomorrow

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Speaker 1: beginning at noon. I thank you for listening to Querying Company.