1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Live from the Heart Blind and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today. Well, hey there, everybody. 3 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today on 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: Tony Katz Today. I'll be back next week. It looks 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: like two guys so excited about this. I always love 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: spending some time with y'all whenever I can. You know, 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: it's always always a good thing. By the way, you 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: like what you hear, I usually wait till the third 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: hour to tell you to check it out. Check out 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: the work that I'm doing for the Federal News Wires 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: lunch hower. At the lunch hour pot I do a 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: weekly deep dive into a public policy for this outfit 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: called the Federal News Wire, and it's available on YouTube, 14 00:00:53,280 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 2: It's available on LinkedIn, It's available on Twitter x. This 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: week I sat down with a guy named Kevin Kong 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: to talk about nuclear power. That was fun. Last week 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: it was Brian Blaize on healthcare issues. This coming week 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: it's a guy named Patrick McLaughlin from the Hoover Institution 19 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: talking about excuse me, the afore mentioned regulatory thing. So 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: go and go and check that out. And if you're 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: not following me on x at Andrew Underscore Langer on 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: x L A n g E Er Andrew Langer Radio 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: at gmail dot com is the best way to reach 24 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: me when I'm off the air. You can drop me 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: a note that way as well. In fact, let me 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: go and look at this. I got a request the 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: other day. Let me pull this up before we get 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: into talking about the birthright citizenship case. Got this from 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: a listener, Christina, She writes, do you also espouse the 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: views of the economist Robert Murphy? I wondering if you 31 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: and Jerry can invite him to do a podcast episode 32 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: to save capitalism. That's actually a really good idea. Jerry 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: and I we need to get back to recording more regularly, 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: so I appreciate that, Christina. I am very familiar with 35 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: Robert Murphy's writings. He and I are very much in 36 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: line on a lot of things. I tend to get 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: a little bit more process oriented when it comes to 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: the regulatory state. You know, there are steps we have 39 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: to take, but you know, but we're on the same 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: page as terms of regulatory drag and costs in that way, 41 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: so that works out. That works out pretty well. So yeah, 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: so we'll talk to Jerry, We'll work on getting them 43 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: on all. Also try to get him on maybe for 44 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: my lunch hour podcast. He'd be a good guest to 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: get there as well. Anyway, So yeah, we are waiting. 46 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: As I said this, so I guess Pambondi is out, 47 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: which is not surprising kind of the timing is a 48 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: little surprising, but you know, we're, you know, fifteen months 49 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: into this new administration, shakeups are going to be happening. 50 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: I'm not tremendously surprised by this. So we'll see what 51 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: happens next. So yesterday, speaking of stunning things, yesterday was 52 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: the moment where the birthright citizen citizenship issue was being 53 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: argued before the Supreme Court. And you know, it was 54 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: one of those things the president. So the president has 55 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: a seat, guys at the High Court, you know, listen 56 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: in the same way. Let me tell you this, when 57 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: you go see a show, especially on Broadway where you 58 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: going you see a concert, there are seats that are 59 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: that are consistently held back, and sometimes they are given 60 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: up at the last minute. But the president has the right. 61 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: I've never gone down the sort of talked about the 62 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: issues of rights versus powers. But the president has the 63 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: right to have a seat at Supreme Court arguments. So 64 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: there's nothing that's violative of the separation of powers for 65 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: him to be there. But I guess Whoopy Goldberg, it's 66 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: not just that Whoopy Goldberg was upset the president was 67 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: going to be there. It sounds like Whoopy Goldberg thought 68 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: the President was going to be personally arguing this case. 69 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: And to be fair, you know, it's twenty twenty six. 70 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: Nothing would surprise me anymore. It would not surprise me 71 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: if the president was trying to argue his own case. 72 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: Here's cut number fourteen. 73 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: Just have to get to this because this is unbelievable. 74 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 4: What's going on. 75 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: You know who is at the He's at the Supreme 76 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: Court as we speak, making his case for signing an 77 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: executive order that ends birthrights citizenship in America. 78 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: Oh, oh my goodness, Oh, the president's at the Supreme Court. Look, 79 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: let's not remember that it was Barack Obama who at 80 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: a State of the Union excoriated the justices, threatened the 81 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: justices on the Obamacare decision. And guess what they count out. 82 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: So I you know, this idea that the president was 83 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: going to somehow, the president was going to somehow count 84 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: out the Supreme Court by being there as is his 85 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: right to do and listening. I'm not saying that Barack 86 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: Obama had the right to excoriate the Supreme Court justices, 87 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: but it certainly stretched the bounds of propriety, to say 88 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: the least. But what's the issue. The issue is whether 89 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 2: or not you can simply show up at the United 90 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: States in our borders as a mom, like a mother, 91 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: pregnant woman shows up in the United States and just 92 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: by right of the fact that she reached the finish line, 93 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: crossed the finish line, and is here when she gives birth, 94 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 2: that that baby has the right to become an American citizen. 95 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: And Jonathan Turley I was on Laura Ingram last night 96 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: and he talked about it. Why this is an insane 97 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: way of looking at things. Let's go to cut number fifteen. 98 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 5: Jonathan, I was just thinking all morning long, the president 99 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 5: has not sat through an oral argument before, I don't believe, 100 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 5: and this one was for the ages. 101 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 4: But what do you. 102 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 5: Think he probably thought, where's the common sense here? 103 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 6: Well, that was the second great question, whether the president 104 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 6: could sit absolutely silently as an argument went on that 105 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 6: he felt strongly about. 106 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 4: So we answered that question. He was able to do that, 107 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 4: but it must have been. 108 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 6: Hard at points, because I'm sure some of these questions 109 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 6: were maddening. The fact is the policy is maddening. It's 110 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 6: perfectly insane. That's why very few countries accept earthright citizenship. 111 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 6: And so the difficulty with this case is that it's 112 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 6: hard to really. 113 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 4: Justify the policy when you look at what's. 114 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 6: Happening with you know, in China alone, hundreds of these 115 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 6: tourism sites are sending people over for the sole purpose 116 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,559 Speaker 6: of having children here. Only a moronic nation would allow 117 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 6: that type of industry to flourish. None of our allies 118 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 6: do in Europe. But these justices, really we're grappling with 119 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 6: over one hundred years of precedent. 120 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 4: The hilarious aspect. 121 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 6: Of this Lord, and I'm sure you felt the same 122 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 6: way was to hear the liberal justices, who rarely allow 123 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 6: the language of the Constitution to stand in the way 124 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 6: of a preferred interpretation. But they seem to be channeling 125 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 6: Scalia today, you know, talking about you know, we really 126 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 6: have to go back to that original intent. And you know, 127 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 6: it's pretty clear this is the English rule, and that 128 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 6: obviously played to the conservative justices. But you know, in 129 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 6: my Supreme Court class and we talked about this case, 130 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 6: we presented it. I often ask my students in predicting 131 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 6: the outcome whether we have a default case. Sometimes you 132 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 6: have a case where everything's in equipoise. For justices, and 133 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 6: the question is where do they run home to? And 134 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 6: for conservatives, they tend to run home to this place. 135 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 6: They tend to follow the president, they tend not to 136 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 6: read too much into the language. 137 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 4: And that's benefiting the left here. 138 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, though, that's very true. And it always gets down 139 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: to this, right at the end of the day when 140 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: we talk about these issues of consistency and star a decisives. Yeah, 141 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: I'll never forget. It was the Kilo case, the case 142 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: about the use of eminent domain. Take the power to 143 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: take private property again in power, not right, the power 144 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: of government to take private property for somebody else's private use. Right. 145 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: The woman's who's at Kilo having her having her house 146 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: taken away by the City of New London, Connecticut for 147 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: the parking lot for a Pfizer headquarters building. Right, that's 148 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: what it was going to be used for. And the 149 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: justices retreated to their starry decisis. And because we had 150 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: one hundred about one hundred and twenty years at that 151 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: point of bad case law, expanding the power of government 152 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: to do this. Well, that's where the justices went to. 153 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: So listen, I want to pull back. We're going to 154 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: We're going to listen to some of the arguments here. 155 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about those birthright citizenship rings. I 156 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: want to hear from you. Andrew Langer Radio at gmail 157 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: dot com. More message me on x at Andrew Underscore Langer. 158 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Kats on Tony Kats Today. 159 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 2: Do you ever see the movie Heavy Metal? Guys? This 160 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: is used in Heavy Metal? You have an eighties cartoon 161 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: movie at dult cartoon movie. Anyway, Guys, Hi everybody, I'm 162 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today. I got this. 163 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: There's the statement from the President. Pam Bodny is a 164 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: great American patriot and loyal friend who faithfully served as 165 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: my Attorney General over the past year. Pam did a 166 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: tremendous job overseeing a massive crackdown in crime across our country, 167 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: with murders plummeting to their lowest level since nineteen hundred. 168 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: We love Pam and she will be transitioning to a 169 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: much needed and important new job in the private sector 170 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: to be announced at a date in the near future, 171 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: and our Deputy Age and a very talented and respected 172 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: legal mind, Todd Blanche will step into service acting Attorney General. 173 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: Thank you for your attention to this matter. Yes, he 174 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: said it. Thank you for your attention to this matter. 175 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: And Donald J. Trump. So, so there you go. She's 176 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 2: she's out, not fired, she's taken taken a new job. 177 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: Yes to Once again, I'm reminded of of when Edwin 178 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: Newman retired from NBC News a Saturday and a live 179 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 2: sketch you had Joe Piscopo as Tom Snyder. Yeah, tell 180 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: me more about this retiring or firing or retiring Yep, Yes, yes, 181 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: she's she's leaving for a private sector job, which will 182 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: be announced when we figured out what Who's going to 183 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: do us a favor and give her a private sector job? Anyway, 184 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: So we're talking birthright citizenship here, and yeah, let's go 185 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: down to the courts themselves and some of the crazy 186 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: things that were that were said yesterday. I want to 187 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: I want to start with Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson, who 188 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 2: is is the weakest link in all of this. Let's 189 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: go ahead and play cut number twenty one here. 190 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 7: I was thinking about this, and I think there are 191 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 7: various sources that say this that you can have. You 192 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 7: obviously have permanent allegiance based on being born in whatever 193 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 7: country you're from. 194 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 8: That's what everybody recognizes. 195 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 7: But you also have local allegiance when you are on 196 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 7: the soil of this other sovereign. And I was thinking, 197 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 7: you know, I'm i a US citizen and visiting Japan, 198 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 7: and what it means is that, you know, if I 199 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 7: steal someone's wallet in Japan, the Japanese authorities can arrest. 200 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 8: Me and prosecute me. 201 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 7: It's allegiance, meaning can they control you as a matter 202 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 7: of law. I can also rely on them if my 203 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 7: wallet is stolen to you know, under Japanese law, go 204 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 7: and prosecute the person who has stolen it. So there's 205 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 7: this relationship based on even though I'm a temp'm traveler, 206 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 7: I'm just on vacation in Japan, I'm still locally owing 207 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 7: allegiance in that set, all right? 208 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: That is that is insane. I mean, I'm sorry, guys, 209 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: that is an insane bit of rambling there. I'm not 210 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: going to even say that it's sort of a weirdly 211 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: flawed reasoning that is an insane level of logic. I mean, 212 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: let's start on its face, which is okay. Let's assume 213 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: for a moment that this was correct, and that Japan 214 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: insists that on some kind of quote unquote allegiance to 215 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: Japan in order for them to enforce their laws either 216 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: for you or against you. You would ask any Japanese jurist, 217 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: does your decision to allow Japan to prosecute somebody for 218 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: stealing your wallet, or your decision to allow Japan to 219 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: prosecute you for stealing someone else's wallet, does that make 220 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 2: you eligible for Japanese citizenry. No, In fact, just the opposite. 221 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: I would dare say that if you were convicted of 222 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: a crime in Japan and incarcerated in Japan as a foreigner, 223 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: and you tried applying for citizenship, they would they would 224 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: laugh about it. They would say, no, no, no, no 225 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: effing way are we going to do this. If you 226 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: were a woman and you were convicted and your child 227 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: had a baby I'm sorry, and you had a baby 228 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 2: in a Japanese prison or Japanese jail, the Japanese would say, 229 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: there's no, no way that they would let you that 230 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: let that baby become Japanese. That that's that that is 231 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: quite literally the definition of crazy talk. 232 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 4: Right. 233 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: And then let's get to the issue of allegiance. You know, 234 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: I think of the story of the kid, Oh good lord, 235 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 2: now I can't think of his name, who was visiting 236 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 2: North Korea and he stole the poster and was convicted 237 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 2: of of a crime. Now, the fact that he subjected 238 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 2: himself to uh to North Korean law, that does not 239 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: mean that he owed some kind of allegiance to North Korea. 240 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: I mean that that that is, that is quite literally 241 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: a crazy way of looking at things. They got even 242 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: worse with with for Katanji Brown Jackson. She went down 243 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: this right, let's play cut number twenty two, and who. 244 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 8: Would not qualify under your rule? How does this work? 245 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 7: Are you suggesting that when a baby is born people 246 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 7: have to have documents, present documents? 247 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 8: Is this happening in the delivery room? 248 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 7: How are we determining when or whether a new born 249 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 7: child he is a citizen of the United States under 250 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 7: your rule? 251 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 9: I think that's directly addressed in the SSA guidance that's 252 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 9: citing in our brief Whatessa says is there's currently a 253 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 9: system where, for example, security social Security numbers are generated 254 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 9: based on the birth certificate. They say, this can still 255 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 9: be for the vast majority of the institut it's completely transparent. 256 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 8: You will still get a you're not transparent. 257 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 7: I'm just talking about the particulars because now you say 258 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 7: your rule turns on whether the person intended to stay 259 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 7: in the United States. And I think Justice Barrett brought 260 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 7: this up. So we're bringing pregnant women in for depositions? 261 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 8: What are we doing to figure this out? No, as 262 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 8: I pointed out earlier the executive. 263 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: Order, this is getting too all right, stop, full full stop, 264 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: because what she's asking about if you're not, if you're 265 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: not following this crazy person's logic here, Literally, it's like 266 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: it's like a bag of kittens. What's what, I don't 267 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: know remember what movie that's from? You know, it brings 268 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: like a bag of kittens. I mean literally what this is. 269 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: So what she's saying is right. The idea is that 270 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: if if you're you come here as a and again 271 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: this is why Jerry's right that we shouldn't have gone 272 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: down this rabbit hole. That if you come here and 273 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: have a baby here because you want the baby to 274 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: be an American citizen, and then you leave. What Justice 275 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: Jackson is saying is, well, we're gonna have them come 276 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: back here for depositions to figure out what's going on. 277 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: How about no, how about if you come here and 278 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: you have a baby and you go back, that baby 279 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: does not get to be an American citizen. It's just 280 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: that simple, by virtue of the fact that they were 281 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: born here. I don't know why that's so complicated, you know. 282 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: Then we get into the thornier question. I don't think 283 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: it's particularly thorny. But if we're following Justice Jackson's logic 284 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: of someone who is not president in the United States 285 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: legally who has a baby here, guess what if you're 286 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: not present in the United States legally and you have 287 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: a baby here, that baby is not an American citizen either. 288 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: That baby is a citizen of wherever the parents are 289 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 2: citizens from. And I guess it gets complicated if the 290 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: parents are from two different countries have two different citizenships. 291 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: But that's not that's not that's not my problem. It 292 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: should be any of our problems. That's the problem of 293 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: the parents and ultimately the child themselves. Here's you know, 294 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: it's funny. You know we talk about the issue of 295 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 2: of the dreamers, right, I'm a little bit more sympathetic 296 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,239 Speaker 2: to the issue of the dreamers. These are these are 297 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 2: the kids whose parents came to the US illegally, they 298 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: made the decision to come here. Uh. And then and 299 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: then you've got to figure out, you know, what to 300 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 2: do about these kids who've been raised and educated here, 301 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: what they want to do. And it's they weren't born here, 302 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: but they're here. Nevertheless, you don't you don't punish the kid, right, 303 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: you don't hold the kid criminally liable. Uh if if 304 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: his parents or her parents decide that they didn't want 305 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 2: to follow the long come here illegally. But you certainly 306 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: don't automatically give them citizenship. You find some other kind 307 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: of a path here, You give them some kind of 308 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: other status that's under review. And guess what, Yeah, I 309 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: know this becomes complicated. But what just what justice Jackson 310 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: is saying here is is is essentially this is the 311 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: laziness excuse. Oh, it's complicated, man, disorganized. I can't bring 312 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 2: paperwork to the hospital here showing that I'm legally allowed 313 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: to be here, that I'm a citizen in the United States. No, 314 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: I can't can't do that. It just just ran out 315 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: of time. Man, It's so it's so complicated, but we 316 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: just don't know what else to do. How about when 317 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: we're talking about regulation and the rule and the rule 318 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: of law, one of the things that we can and 319 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: should have rules and regulations surrounding is who gets to 320 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 2: call themselves an American citizen? Here and listen, I get 321 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: it right, guys. America is the greatest nation on earth. 322 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: It's the it's the most exceptional nation on earth. For 323 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: no other reason than anybody can come to America and 324 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 2: become an American again, unlike going to Japan or South 325 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: Korea or France or England. Right, you can migrate to 326 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: France and you can eventually become a French citizen eventually, 327 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: but you'll never be considered French. Same thing with Japan. 328 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 2: You're never going to be considered Japanese. But this is 329 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: the crazy kind of arguments. Oh my god, Justice Jackson, 330 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: holy cow boy, oh boy. Yeah, it's got a mind 331 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: like I think it's low key right in the Avengers movie, 332 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: you know, his mind's a bag of kittens. I'll find 333 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 2: the right quote in a minute. This is when we 334 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: come back. We're gonna be joined by Josh McLeod from 335 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: the National Federation of Indebded Business. I'm Andrew Langer. This 336 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: is Tony Kats today. You know, it's so funny. I 337 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: heard this the other day as we were getting ready 338 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: for the guess we're getting ready for the Artemis launch, 339 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: and all I can think about was, you know, a 340 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 2: La weird Al making my own lyrics to this. You know, 341 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: giant ships are what you take flying to the moon. 342 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: I hope my ship don't break flying to them, but anyway, 343 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: that kind of that, that's where my mind goes right 344 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: to right to weird Al. Hey, everybody, I'm Andrew Langer 345 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: in for Tony Kats today. I'll be back next week 346 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: with with Tony next Thursday and Friday. Joining us right now. 347 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: Very excited to have him on. His name is Josh McLeod. 348 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 2: He is the director of federal Relations for the National 349 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: Federation of Independent Business, the nation's largest small business independent 350 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: business association. I was at NFIB from two to eight. 351 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 2: Got a lot of my start in regulations working for 352 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: nfi B, and he got some great advice from then. 353 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: NFI be president. I wrote the book The War on 354 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: Small Business, And of course now I'm saying this. 355 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 10: Uh. 356 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: And Jack Ferris, who was NFIB president at the time, Uh, 357 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: you know, just my days at NFIB were wonderful. Josh. 358 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: Let's let's start here, though, as great an organization as 359 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: it is. Well, what's what's what are your what are 360 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: your what's your perspective on the economy? I know we 361 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: can we could also talk to our your colleague college 362 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: wait about these things. But how are small businesses looking 363 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 2: at what's going on with the economy these days? 364 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 11: Absolutely they remain optimistic process and a large chunk of 365 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 11: that is due to the tax reconc Affiliation bill that 366 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 11: Congress passed last last summer. And it's it's been a 367 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 11: huge boon for small businesses. So we're we're grateful for 368 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 11: Congress prioritizing that and making sure that the small business 369 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 11: deduction is permanent. 370 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it and and it has to be. And 371 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: what's what's great about the work that you guys are 372 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 2: doing is that you're pushing back. I was just talking 373 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: about this issue. One of the things that you know, 374 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: Jack Ferris, Uh, then if i'd be president, talk to 375 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: me about was the idea of you know, when you're 376 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: when your friends are doing the right thing in the administration, 377 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: they can always be doing more. You should always be 378 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: pushing them, uh to do more. And I know you 379 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: guys are doing this. You guys are very active in 380 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 2: making sure that small businesses and independent businesses are being 381 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: treated for what some of the stuff you guys have 382 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: been have been working on. 383 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 11: Yeah, one of the big issues that we're encountering now 384 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 11: is regarding the Corporate Transparency Act, and that law requires 385 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 11: that businesses under twenty employees and five million in revenue 386 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 11: register with the federal government, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network 387 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 11: of Treasury. And thankfully President Trump came in and said, 388 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 11: this is invasive, invasive, it's egregious, it's an economic menace 389 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 11: to small businesses and the exempted US businesses from it. 390 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll never forget I was. I was off on 391 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: the eastern shore of Maryland, and you know, dealing with 392 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: some status we'll call them Statust County commissioners who wanted 393 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 2: to impose all kinds of paperwork burdens because they wanted 394 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: to find out who who had the business interest in 395 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: the businesses that were being built in their community, as 396 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: though they should be able to pick and choose which 397 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: businesses to allow based upon who own them. This is 398 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: what we're talking about here, right. It's part of this 399 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: is they want to get to Juanzo. We understand if 400 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: it's a foreign business, and we want to make sure 401 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: that our national security isn't implicated. But these things have 402 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 2: a have a disparate impact on America's smallest businesses. Let 403 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 2: me ask you this, Josh, and if I be average 404 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: member size is now what it's still ten employees? Ninety 405 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 2: percent of your members have twenty employees or less. Is 406 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 2: that's still the case? 407 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 10: That's right? 408 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 11: It's five to ten employees is kind of our spot 409 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 11: of members. 410 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, but and and talk about how both the laws 411 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: of the Congress passes, but also the regulations that the 412 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: administration puts out. How do they have a disparate impact 413 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: on these businesses. 414 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 11: One hundred percent? I mean you think about to think 415 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 11: about your mom and pop shop. They don't have a 416 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 11: compliance officer in house, they don't have anyone doing payroll for. 417 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 10: The small business owner. It's all them. 418 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 11: And so something like this beneficial ownership mandate, it affects 419 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 11: thirty two point six million small businesses, and it's broader 420 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 11: to your point, it's broader than just the owner. Finson 421 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 11: created these regulations that say, if you have substantial control 422 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 11: of the business, you also have profile. So that's substantial control. 423 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 11: That's someone who's the manager of a restaurant. They don't 424 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 11: have any equity stake in the business, but now they 425 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 11: are required to register with the federal government. So there's 426 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 11: always encroaching tentacles of the government, and beneficial ownership is 427 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 11: just one example. And that's why we're fighting like crazy 428 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 11: in Congress to repeal this new mandate on small businesses. 429 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: So let me let me ask you this because of 430 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: going back to to good Lord, it was three years 431 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: ago the height of the of the Biden administration, you 432 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 2: put out an op ed talking about a white paper 433 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: that that NFI be put out on the Regulatory Flexibility Act. 434 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: And you and I both know the Biden administration, you know, 435 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 2: abused the reg flex Act, you know, till the day 436 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: until the cows came home. I mean, it was just 437 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: something that they that they ignored. Trump administration doing better 438 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 2: on this. Are we are we getting better options from 439 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: the smallest businesses. 440 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 10: It's been it's been quite the difference. And you're looking 441 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 10: at a one point eight. 442 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 11: Trillion dollar regulatory impact from the Biden administration, those new regulations, 443 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 11: hundreds of millions of new paperwork hours. It's been the 444 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 11: exact opposite under the Trump administration. And sorry for going 445 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 11: back to the melt official ownership. 446 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 10: Please, it was a one hundred and. 447 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 11: Twenty eight billion with a B billion dollars savings to 448 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 11: private businesses from the US Business Exemption that the Trump 449 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 11: administration did. That's the largest deregulatory action from twenty twenty five. 450 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 11: And if we aren't careful, future administration will simply rewrite 451 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 11: that one hundred and twenty eight billion dollars regulatory burning 452 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 11: back into existence. 453 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: And that's direct regulatory costs. As I was explaining earlier 454 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 2: on in the show, and our guests, by the way, 455 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: is Josh Mcloudy's a director of federal relations for the 456 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: National Federation of Independent Business. It was talking about the 457 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: issue of opportunity cost right, because it's not you know, 458 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 2: it's not what it is what it costs directly for 459 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 2: the small business owner. But when a small business owner 460 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 2: has to pay somebody to do paperwork, or has to 461 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 2: pay to put in some kind of capital improvement because 462 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: of a regulation. That's money that they can't spend elsewhere 463 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: in their business. And so you know, if it's a 464 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: two to one or ten to one, you know, we're 465 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 2: talking to a quarter of a trillion dollars in regained 466 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: opportunity to half a trillion dollars to whatever. This is 467 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 2: real money, isn't it? 468 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 11: Oh it is. 469 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 10: It is a huge, huge figure. 470 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 11: It's hard to extrapolate just how that trickles down to 471 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 11: the small business owner. But yes, they are hiring lawyers, 472 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 11: they are hiring regulatory experts to assist with these very 473 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 11: complex regulatory issues, and that that is an opportunity cost 474 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 11: one hundred percent. 475 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 2: Yeah you can, you can, you can do it. So 476 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 2: that it's so funny because I hadn't seen that the NFIB 477 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: Research Foundation had updated their their paperwork number, and I 478 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 2: just sort of extrapolated from the numbers that I used 479 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 2: to have, and right now at least my estimates are 480 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: showing paperwork costs small businesses about seventy two dollars per hour. 481 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 2: And that's and that's huge, and we're trying to find 482 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: ways to bring that down. Let's talk about the Working 483 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 2: Families tax cut. It's what our colleague Scott Holkinson had 484 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 2: sent to me. This is a twenty percent small business 485 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 2: tax deduction. Tell us more about that. 486 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 10: Yeah, so that came about. It's Section one ninety nine A. 487 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 10: We call it the twenty percent small. 488 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 11: Business deduction, but it allows small businesses. 489 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 10: Nine out of ten small businesses. 490 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 11: Are pass throughs, and so it allows those pass through 491 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 11: businesses to take advantage of this twenty percent deduction. And 492 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 11: the results have been awesome. We hear every day from 493 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 11: members that are saying, we're reinvesting in our business, We're 494 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 11: hiring new people, we are offering health insurance for the 495 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 11: first time, we're sponsoring the local t ball team in 496 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 11: our community. It's just pouring money back into their. 497 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 10: Big right, and it's it's a really, really awesome thing. 498 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 11: And if Congress had not made this permanent, because it 499 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 11: was set to expire at then of twenty twenty five, 500 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 11: that would have been over thirty million small businesses facing. 501 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 10: A tax increase. 502 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: So as wow. 503 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 11: It was a huge, a huge, huge deal. And it's 504 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 11: it's having that tax certainty, as you know, for small 505 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 11: businesses that they can plan and invest in, hire new 506 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 11: people is what they want. 507 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 2: That's it's it's it's it's good stuff. Our guest, as 508 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: I said Josh McLeod, the director of federal relations for 509 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 2: the National Federation of Independent Business, You know, you give 510 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: a brad Up a big hug for me. Be's mlido, Hollywood, 511 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: all of my former colleagues over there, give him a 512 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 2: big hug for me. Will you do that? 513 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 11: Definitely? 514 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 3: Will? Hey? 515 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 10: Can I can I mention one more? 516 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: Of course? 517 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 11: So Congressman Mesmer has a bill to eliminate this federal 518 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 11: heat standard that would affect small businesses, and we are 519 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 11: fighting like crazy as well in Washington. So I just 520 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 11: want to show him some love for his leadership on 521 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 11: that issue. 522 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: What's that? What's the heat standard? What is this? Explains 523 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: to me? 524 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 11: So so it's it's brand new requirements for for paid 525 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 11: breaks if temperature reaches eighty or ninety degrees. There are 526 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 11: a bunch of new thresholds. 527 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 528 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 11: A lot of states are moving this. But it basically 529 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 11: turns your small businessman into a weather man. 530 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 10: That's right to keep. 531 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 11: I think it's six months of records of your business 532 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 11: and your temperature. 533 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 10: And it's it's just we talked. Wow, new red tape 534 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 10: and costs. 535 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 11: This is one that that was proposed under the Biden 536 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 11: administration and we're trying to get the Trump administration to resin. 537 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 11: So we're fighting that one like crazy. 538 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: That'll be a favorite, Josh, I'm gonna I'm gonna have 539 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: Scott connect us over over email. I'd love to love 540 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: to help you with this, get involved in it, because 541 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: that's that's right in right in my wheelhouse to get 542 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: this repealed. Josh McLeod, How do folks find out more 543 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: about the good work you guys you're doing at n 544 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: FIB I. 545 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 11: Just check us out on our website National Federation Dependent Business. 546 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 11: We represent about three hundred thousand small businesses nationwide and 547 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 11: we are the voice of small business. 548 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: Amen to that. NFIB dot com is the website and 549 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: at n FIB on on X. Josh, thank you so 550 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: very much. 551 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 10: Thank you for your time. 552 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: Take care as I ISID Josh mccod, director of Federal 553 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: Relations for the National Federation of Independent Business. Yeah, I 554 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: worked there so wonderful time in my life. Taught me, 555 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: taught me, taught me how to be an advocate in DC, 556 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: really taught me a lot about about that. Willis and 557 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 2: some final thoughts about what's going on in the world. 558 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today. All right, 559 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: we missed out Land and we missed out on Shame 560 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: on the Moon, Bye Bye, Bob Seeker and the Silver 561 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: Bullet Band. I'm going to now go through all the 562 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: songs we missed out. It's a limited amount of time. 563 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: He Hi, everybody, I'm Andrew Langer here for Tony Kats. 564 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: I'll be back next week. So yeah, so for so, 565 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: first of all, we found the clip. This is this 566 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: is this is a great description of justice. You know 567 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: what's something here here. Let's play it. Let's play it again. 568 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and play cut number twenty one there, 569 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: and let's hear justice Jackson. 570 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 7: I was thinking about this, and I think they there 571 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 7: are various sources that say this that. 572 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 4: You can have. 573 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 7: You obviously have permanent allegiance based on being born in 574 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 7: whatever country you're from. 575 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 8: That's what everybody recognizes. 576 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 7: But you also have local allegiance when you are on 577 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 7: the soil of this other sovereign. 578 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 8: And I was thinking, you. 579 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 7: Know, I'm i a US citizen and visiting Japan, and 580 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 7: what it means is that you know, if I steal 581 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 7: someone's wallet in Japan, the Japanese authorities can arrest me 582 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 7: and prosecute me. It's allegiance, meaning can they control you 583 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 7: as a matter of. 584 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 8: Law I can rely on. 585 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: We can end it there. I'm sorry again, it's no. 586 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 10: They will. 587 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,959 Speaker 2: They will send you back, that's what they will do. 588 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 10: Uh. 589 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that you have any allegiance. So 590 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: they have any allegiance to you. But but let's here's 591 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: here's my reaction to that. That logic. Uh, this is 592 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: this is doctor Bruce Banner. 593 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 10: He really grows in. 594 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 8: He doesn't he He's gonna drag this out. 595 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 10: So for what's his play? 596 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: He has an army called the Chatari, the note of ours, 597 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: God nor any world none. 598 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 8: He means to lead them against your people. 599 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 10: They will win him the earth. 600 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 9: They were to a nice suspect for the testa duct 601 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 9: an army from outer space. 602 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 4: So he's building another portal. That's what you need. Eric 603 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 4: Selivic for Celvic, he's an astrophysicist, he's a friend. 604 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 10: Loki has him under some kind of spell along with 605 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 10: one of ours. 606 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: I want to know why Loki let us take him. 607 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: He's not leading an army from here. 608 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 4: I don't think we should be focusing on Loki. That 609 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 4: guy's brain is a bag full of cats. You could sell. 610 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 2: It can smell crazy on him. That's my reaction to 611 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 2: Justice Jackson's logic. There By the way, it opened up 612 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: a whole discussion between me and land And about about 613 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 2: Tom Hidleston. I happen to see Tom Hidleston in a 614 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: in a play in the West End of London a 615 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: year ago, just good lord, just over a year ago, 616 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: which was just fantastic. And then I realized that and 617 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: told told the story, uh, and Landing to listen to this, 618 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: the story of my of my meeting Daniel Radcliffe Harry 619 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 2: Potter on the air. So I gotta tell you. I 620 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: love live theater. My wife and I love live theater. 621 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 2: So we're gonna end the show today. By the way, 622 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 2: we we we get to New York fairly regularly. Now, 623 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: I know you can snicker all you want. That's who 624 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: we are. I love it. You just get immersed in 625 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: all of these things. 626 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 10: Uh. 627 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: And we saw We went up again with Jerry Rodgers 628 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 2: to do a post Saint Patrick's Day festivities in the 629 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: town called Yonkers. And the night before we went down 630 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: into New York City, and we saw this play called 631 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: Every Brilliant Thing. Now, apparently Maritza Hargeta, Mariska Hargita, she's 632 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: gonna be taking over. I say that right, Land, and 633 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: I said it wrong. Marishka Hargeta is going to be 634 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 2: taking over in this role. But it's a fascinating thing 635 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: if you can see it with Daniel Radcliffe in it, 636 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: if you can get to New York to see it, 637 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 2: and you're a Daniel Radcliffe Harry Potter fan, I urge 638 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 2: you because it is a one man show. And you 639 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: go and he runs around for the half hour forty 640 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 2: five minutes before the show, handing out little pieces of paper. 641 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 2: The audience participates in this. Basically, it's a show about 642 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: the protagonist in the show is keeping track of life's 643 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 2: little blessings, Every Brilliant Thing, and it starts with number 644 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: one being ice cream, and it's something that the protagonist 645 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 2: starts compiling when they are seven years old and their 646 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 2: puppy dies, and then it sort of goes on through life. 647 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 2: Got to there's a little bit more audience participation depending 648 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 2: on who you are. I got to yell out, you 649 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 2: know whatever. It was seven hundred and seventy seven was 650 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 2: knowing someone well enough that they come to you to 651 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: check their teeth for broccoli, and you have to yell 652 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 2: that out. Number seven hundred and seventy seven. I yelled 653 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: that out, and then five minutes later Daniel Radcliffe comes 654 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 2: off the stage and comes to me so I could 655 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 2: check his teeth for broccoli. It was so much fun 656 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 2: it was. It sounds gimmicky, it really isn't. It was 657 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 2: an incredibly moving play. I highly recommended, highly recommend that 658 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 2: if it winds up going on a tour, so listen. 659 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 2: I am back next week Thursday and Friday in for Tony. 660 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 2: You like what you're here, check out my Federal News 661 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 2: Wire Lunch Hour podcast. Monday's episode, I'll be with Patrick 662 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: McLaughlin from the Hoover Institution talking about regulatory costs and 663 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 2: what's going on there. Follow me on X at Andrew 664 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 2: Underscore Langer on X. I want to thank landon Happy 665 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 2: passover to Tony. Have a great weekend, everybody, have fun 666 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 2: and stay safe.