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Speaker 1: You were listening to the Hammer and Nigel Show. My

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Speaker 1: name is Nigel chasing Hammer right over there with a

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Speaker 1: very special guest on the hotline part of the.

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Speaker 2: Morning show on one O seven five the Fan, Kevin

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Speaker 2: Bowen joins us KB. Carly Ers Gordon spoke to the

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Speaker 2: media earlier. We found out late last night that they

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Speaker 2: were going to run it back in terms of the

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Speaker 2: GM and head coach next year, something that you called

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Speaker 2: on our program the last time you joined us. For

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Speaker 2: those who did not get a chance to listen to

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Speaker 2: what Carly had to say today, recap that for us.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So basically, she said it came down to the

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Speaker 3: first two months of the season. That was the overwhelming

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Speaker 3: reason why she decided to run it back. She said

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Speaker 3: she made the decision last week. I it sounds like

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Speaker 3: she kind of made it really mid season. Really. I

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Speaker 3: think the Sauce Gardner trade in green lighting that also,

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Speaker 3: it was something that played here in it. And you know,

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Speaker 3: she didn't offer necessarily a playoff or bust or that

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Speaker 3: black and white, but she referenced several times a higher

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Speaker 3: sense of urgency more than last year in regards to

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Speaker 3: this upcoming season. I think you could probably interpret that

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Speaker 3: in a lot of different ways. But uh yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: part of a reasoning for bringing them back ten to

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Speaker 3: here for ballot, fourth year for stiking.

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Speaker 2: So I read the transcript of some of her answers,

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Speaker 2: and at one point Carly says, quote, I'm pissed, We're pissed.

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Speaker 2: Is that something that Jim would have said?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: How was her posts season not going to the playoffs? Speech?

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Speaker 2: Different than her old man's?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Probably? The only similarity is that both of them

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Speaker 3: were late to their you know, to their respective press conferences.

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Speaker 3: That's right about the only similarity. I mean, it's prepared statement.

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Speaker 3: It's not this emotional rollercoaster. It's you know, very you

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Speaker 3: know queer. She had three or four talking points, so

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Speaker 3: she kept on coming back to So yeah, I would say,

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Speaker 3: very different from that aspect to it, you know, agetting.

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Speaker 3: The one question I think would have and I'm sure

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Speaker 3: anythan would have, is you know again, a higher sense

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Speaker 3: of urgency. Now, well, I would argue, where was that

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Speaker 3: last year? You know, when you think about the long

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Speaker 3: drought of ten years about the division title and seven

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Speaker 3: years about a playoff win, and then you know, four

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Speaker 3: years without a playoff apparents all those numbers are heading

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Speaker 3: into last season, I would argue the sense of urgency

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Speaker 3: should have been pretty high.

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Speaker 1: Then is there anybody that's worth a damn out there now,

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Speaker 1: like say she would have fired and Stichen and the GM.

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Speaker 1: Is there anybody it's out there that's worth paying to

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Speaker 1: come in or that would want that would actually want

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Speaker 1: to come in and coach this team the way the

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Speaker 1: position it's in now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I always think Nige. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is one of thirty two, you know, you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: there is a class a candidate or whatever, yeah, that

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Speaker 3: you know might gravitate towards you know, Jim Harball a

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Speaker 3: few years ago, for example. I mean he went to

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Speaker 3: the Chargers with Justin Herbert. You know, maybe he could

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Speaker 3: have been a little picky. So, but you know, you've

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Speaker 3: got candidates tired at all different part to the coaching cycle.

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Speaker 3: Liam Cohen for example, last year Jacksville last one hired,

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Speaker 3: and now look at them. They won the AFC South.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I don't again, it might not be

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Speaker 3: the most ideal ideal situation. I also don't think we're

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Speaker 3: talking about whatever the Cleveland Browns here.

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Speaker 2: So off season wise, you're going to have a team

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Speaker 2: that does not have a first round draft choice. Technically,

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Speaker 2: I guess Daniel Jones is a free agent. Alec Pierce

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Speaker 2: is a free agent. You don't have any pass rush here.

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Speaker 2: I know we're way early in the process, but look

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Speaker 2: into that, Crystal ball KB, what's this off season going

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Speaker 2: to look like for Carly Ursay, Chris Ballard and the Colts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question, Hammer, because I just don't

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Speaker 3: understand where a lot of the change would come from.

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Speaker 3: You know, do I think there's some change, particularly on

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Speaker 3: the defensive front that needs to happen. I do, But

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Speaker 3: you know, resource wise, you know, you bring up Jones

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Speaker 3: to resign. They don't have a first round pick. Coaching

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Speaker 3: staff wise, I assume you know the bulk of that

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Speaker 3: is even a Gus Bradley situation for lou An Arumo.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't really see a whole lot of change.

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Speaker 3: I think you are honestly banking on improof health. And

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Speaker 3: it's a bit of a dangerous game to play because

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Speaker 3: let's take the three big health questions exiting this past season.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones plays the most important position in sports. Unfortunately

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Speaker 3: he's been off injured in his career and he's now

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Speaker 3: coming off a torn achilles in less than a year. Okay,

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Speaker 3: there's your first one. DeForrest Buckner now as having next

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Speaker 3: or two. He's thirty one, thirty two years old, and

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Speaker 3: you know he founded a little different to me as

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Speaker 3: the season moved along and the neck issue developed for him.

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Speaker 3: And then Javerisward, the newcomer of the corner over from

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Speaker 3: San Francisco, three concussions in a year. Today during locker

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Speaker 3: room clean out, he spoke about certainly debating retirement. So

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Speaker 3: you know, again those are three critical components to the

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Speaker 2: Six KB last thing here before we let you go

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Speaker 2: totally different topic. I you football preparing for the biggest

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Speaker 2: game in program history coming up on Friday against the

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Speaker 2: Oregon Ducks. But low key for those who haven't been

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Speaker 2: following it, they have been killing it in the transfer portal.

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Speaker 2: I know this is like a thing that Signetti does,

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Speaker 2: and he's done very well. But it seems like the

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Speaker 2: focused on the game. This transfer portal, it seems like

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Speaker 2: every time I look at, you know, my Twitter account,

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Speaker 2: they've got some stud coming to Bloomington.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I've been scarred from transfer portal celebrations

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Speaker 3: after the Mike Woodson era played out. But if Kurt

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Speaker 3: Signetti told me that I could finish top ten of

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Speaker 3: the Boston Marathon in a few months, I would believe it.

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Speaker 3: Like anything he touches turns the gold. And hell, when

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Speaker 1: All turn to gold.

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Speaker 3: And now he's whatever medically, you know, getting you know,

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Speaker 3: bigger and better, you know whatever star rank recruits everyone

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Speaker 3: to look at it. So uh, you know, I don't

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Speaker 3: think we ever thought and again as commitment from Pam Whitten,

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Speaker 3: we had Scott Dolton, the athletic director, on our show

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Speaker 3: this morning. You know, when you got the buy in

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Speaker 3: for football, the largest alumni base in the US is

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Speaker 3: not going to sit quietly. And I think once Signetti

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Speaker 3: credit to him for opening those eyes in year one,

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Speaker 3: the pocketbooks were ready, and honestly, the pocket books maybe

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Speaker 3: unbelievable juggling act, and I think I think it went

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Speaker 3: on Friday. I think they are definitely the better team.

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people are, Hey, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's hard to beat a team twice. That was their

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Speaker 3: most penalized game in the season, in a true road game,

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Speaker 3: emerged lately, he didn't even have a catch in that game.

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Speaker 3: It was kind of before he's really stepped into the

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Speaker 3: into the spotlight here. So I think Indiana will be

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Speaker 3: playing for a national title in football, which is just

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Speaker 2: What's coming up on the Big Show tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to again plug that Scott Dolson Athletic

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Speaker 3: Director podcast that we had, so he was on the

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Speaker 3: show today, so I appreciate you letting me do that.

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Speaker 3: I Rick Carlile will join us. We'll play a lot

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Speaker 3: of the Carlier Say Gordon audio for you if you

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Speaker 3: miss that, But I Rick Carlile will join us. As

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Speaker 3: the Faces are in quite the slide this season.

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Speaker 2: That is Kevin Bowen one O seven five, the fan

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Speaker 2: part of the morning show KB. We appreciate you coming

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Speaker 2: on with us every Monday after a Colts game this year,

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Speaker 2: and hopefully we can keep that going in twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: If you bet boys always enjoyed the combo. You guys

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Speaker 3: have a great, great new year, KB,