1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Lie from the heartland and the crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: These are the times that try men's souls, wrote Thomas 4 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: Paine in the American Crisis. The summer soldier and the 5 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: sunshine patriot will in this crisis shrink from the service 6 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: of their country. But he that stands it now deserves 7 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: the love and thanks of men and women. 8 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 3: Tyranny like hell, is not conquered. 9 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: Yet we have this consolation with us that the heart 10 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 2: of the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. 11 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 3: What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly. 12 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: It is dearness only that gives everything its value. 13 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 3: Heaven knows how to put. 14 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: A proper price upon its goods, and it would be strange, indeed, 15 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: if so celestial an articles freedom. 16 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: Should not be highly rated. 17 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: The words ring true today, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, 18 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: good to be with you. As we already knew we 19 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: would be engaging the twenty fourth anniversary of September eleventh, 20 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: and three thousand of our countrymen killed, and the necessity 21 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: to remember their names, to remember their lives, and to 22 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: remember that it is us against the Islamist and we 23 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: must win because what they want is darkness. Twenty four 24 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: years later, we're still fighting this fight, This fight is forever. 25 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: And then. 26 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: Only to realize that about twenty four hours ago, Charlie 27 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: Kirk was assassinated. 28 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: Thirty one years old, married two very small children. I 29 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: didn't know Charlie. 30 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: We were not friends, and we weren't enemies. We followed 31 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: each other on social media. But I met him once 32 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: that I remember. I met him once. I spoke at 33 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: one turning point event here in my area of Indianapolis. 34 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 2: I didn't agree with everything he said. I didn't agree 35 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: with the style of everything that he did. To deny 36 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 2: his influence would be radical. To say that he wasn't 37 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: assassinated would be to be a fraud. This wasn't just 38 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: some murder, the killing, the assassination of a political commentator, 39 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: everybody you listen to on radio, everybody you watch on TV, 40 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 2: my gosh, your own commentaries on social media? 41 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: Does it all fall into the same bucket? 42 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: Must you have thousands about thousands of people who show 43 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: up on a college campus. 44 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 3: In order for you to be a target. I reject that. 45 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 3: What we know. 46 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: Regarding Charlie Kirk is that the FBI has released. 47 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: A photo a person of interest. 48 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: Now, yesterday they had in custody a person of interest. 49 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: That person was released. 50 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: They now have released two photos of a man in 51 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: a black T shirt with a white bit of graphic 52 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: on the chest, wearing a black hat, wearing black sunglasses, 53 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: wearing blue jeans, wearing what looks like they are white sneakers. 54 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: The FBI had already told us that they were able 55 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: to track this person going into the stairwells, going up 56 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: to the roof. 57 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: To the Sorry about that, guys, Let's try this again. 58 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 4: We were able to track the movements of the shooter 59 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 4: starting at eleven fifty two am. This subject arrived on 60 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 4: campus shortly away from campus. We have tracked his movements 61 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 4: onto the campus through the stairwells, up to the roof, 62 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 4: across the roof to a shooting location. 63 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: After the shooting, we. 64 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 4: Were able to track his movements as he moved to 65 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: the other side of the building, jumped off of the building, 66 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: and fled off of the campus and into a neighborhood. 67 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: Our investigators have worked through those neighborhoods, contacting anybody they 68 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 4: can with doorbell cameras, witnesses, and have thoroughly worked through 69 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 4: those communities trying to identify any leads. We do have 70 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 4: good video footage of this individual. We are not going 71 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 4: to release that at this time. We are working through 72 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 4: some technologies and some ways to identify this individual. If 73 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 4: we are unsuccessful, we will reach out to you as 74 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: the media and we will push that publicly to help 75 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 4: us identify them. But we are confident in our abilities 76 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: right now, and we would like to move forward in 77 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 4: a manner that keeps everyone safe and moves this process appropriately. 78 00:05:53,000 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: In addition, they made a statement about the ammunition, a 79 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: statement about the rifle, that the rifle, that the ammo 80 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 2: which was found single bolt action. The ammunition had scrawlings 81 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 2: on it, writings on it about anti fascist and about 82 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: trans My. 83 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: Gosh, you could have almost predicted that one. 84 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: We don't play in the game of guessing, so we 85 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: wait until we have the information. We have the information, 86 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: and more information will be coming out. Certainly, information can change. 87 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 2: I've had some people say to me, my gosh, Charlie 88 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: Kirk was taken out, and he's the same people who 89 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 2: wanted Trump out, and this was a well planned operation. 90 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: I've had people say to me, this shot from that 91 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: far away, isn't that far away, and in ten minutes, 92 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: I could have trained somebody. 93 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: To make that shot. I don't know, and neither does 94 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: anybody else. 95 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: Just yet, that's the kind of speculation that keeps people 96 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: going on social media. 97 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: That isn't what we do here. 98 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: What we do here is recognize that the objective, no 99 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: matter what, was to take out somebody who was influential 100 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: and who was connecting with twenty one year olds and 101 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: twenty year olds and nineteen year olds all across the country, 102 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: somebody who's group, philosophy message connected, whether that be a 103 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: message of America is good, whether that be a question 104 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: of as sculinity is. 105 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: Good, or whether that be that faith. 106 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: Is good, connected in a way that the political left 107 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: never could. And movement came to the political right, and 108 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: certainly came to President Trump, although I cannot tell you 109 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: if it actually came for Republicans, and when I take 110 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: a look at data on exit polling from the election, 111 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: the presidential election, I say it didn't. 112 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: It came for Trump. 113 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: I've made this argument before, but one cannot deny how 114 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: successful Kirk was in making this happen, and one cannot 115 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 2: deny that he was assassinated in full public view. 116 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 3: To try and. 117 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: Get people not to try again in the history of ever, 118 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: I only ask if that has ever worked. 119 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: Has it ever worked. 120 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: That one could make a move to try and silence 121 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: a group of people and seen success in it. And 122 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: we on the political right, they've tried to silence us 123 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 2: a lot. No, you're not let's talk about Hunter Biden's laptop. 124 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: We won't allow you to post that. No, you can't 125 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: talk about the efficacy of the COVID vaccine and whether 126 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: or not there are issues in its creation. We won't 127 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: allow you to talk about that. We have seen this, and. 128 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: This idols only went to recent history. 129 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: Here, we've also seen the political violence before you see. 130 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: The left will tell you about January sixth without ever 131 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: discussing who was invited into the Capitol, which they should 132 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: because those people weren't violent at all. And the people 133 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: who engage in violence, I don't mind if they're in jail. 134 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: I mind that they don't get due process. When you 135 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: scream about due process. Political violence is Steve Scalise almost 136 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: dying on a baseball diamond. Political violence is a lawmaker 137 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: and her husband killed in Minnesota and then having a 138 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: governor who hopes that Donald Trump dies. Political violence is 139 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: Butler Pennsylvania. We've seen this time and again. Political violence 140 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: is the United Healthcare CEO being gunned down in the streets, 141 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: and the recognition that anybody on this side of the 142 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: microphone could very well be next, whether they have a 143 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: small audience or a large audience, whether they're local, whether 144 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: they're national, whether they're regional. That your Facebook post about 145 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: name the subject could just get someone to say that 146 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: person has to be dealt with because the idea of 147 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: people speaking freely and engaging thoughts she may disagree with 148 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: to some is simply unagreeable, disagreeable and has to be 149 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: met with violence. 150 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: This is what took place. There can be no question. 151 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: That Charlie Kirk was killed for the expressions of beliefs now, 152 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 2: But I cannot tell you was this belief political or 153 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: was this belief religious. I am not the guy to 154 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: engage on the faith front. I don't ever shy away 155 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: from being Jewish, but I don't often discuss the concepts 156 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 2: of faith. I have my reasons, and amongst them is 157 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: the very concept that my own faith is something that 158 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: I questioned on the hour. My belief in a creator 159 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: is different than my belief in anything else. And I 160 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: don't believe that my argument rises or falls based on faith. 161 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: I think I base it on the logic. I base 162 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 2: it on the reason. I base it on a philosophical underpinning. 163 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 2: Now there'll be people be like, well, how does that 164 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: philosophical underpinning exist without God? And then we're going to 165 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: into a conversation about Christopher Hitchins. And that's not where 166 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: I want to go, because there is no issue that 167 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: I had with the fact that Charlie Kirk was a 168 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: believer and said so clearly and with focus, and often 169 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: and repeatedly, and he stated it. This was his life, 170 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: this is how he valued himself. This was who he was. 171 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: His day to his night ended with Jesus. That's who 172 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: he was. Not gonna tell that man, No, I never 173 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: would have told him. No, it isn't how I engage. 174 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: Maybe it's why he got such a large audience. There's 175 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: an appreciation for that. I don't shy away from it. 176 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: It's just not how I engage. It's okay, it's fine, 177 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: but it connected with people. Didn't It can't invent something, 178 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: don't ever be what you're not. That's pretty messed up. 179 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: So did they try to take out, not try. Did 180 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: they kill Charlie Kirk for his politics, for a support 181 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: of Trump, for his religious basis? 182 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: I don't know. We know that what was found on 183 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: the ammunition there. 184 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: From the firearm inside the rifle, writing on the ammo, 185 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: anti fascist stuff and pro trand stuff. 186 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 3: We know this. So again, I cannot tell you if that. 187 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 2: Motivation was political or faith. What I can tell you 188 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 2: is he didn't deserve to die. What happened to Charlie 189 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: Kirk is horrific. What happened to the people at Utah 190 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: Valley University who had to watch that is horrific. What 191 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: happened to all of us who had to say, my god, 192 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: they are shooting at all of us. They didn't just 193 00:13:53,000 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: shoot the candidate, they shot at the people who supported him. 194 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: And yes, some of the left cheered, and some on 195 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: the left don't care, and some on the left rather 196 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: ignorantly said, you see, the issue is guns. 197 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: That's what they said. This is how they acted. 198 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: They played the part of Alexandria A Cassio Cortes, pretending 199 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: that she is righteous. 200 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 5: People can fingerpoint all they want, look at the record, 201 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 5: look at the actions of what we are doing. I 202 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 5: don't think a single person who has dedicated their entire 203 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 5: career to preventing gun safety legislation from getting paths in 204 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 5: this House has any right to blame anybody else but 205 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 5: themselves for what is happening. 206 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 3: It wasn't the gun, it was the gunman. 207 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: And personally exhausted, I am by the ignorance of Representative 208 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: Alexandria Acossio Cortez and her fake tears. You're angry, you're upset. 209 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: Let us discuss the ideology at play that looked at 210 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, whether it was his politics or his faith, 211 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: and said we can't have that anymore. Lewis four Khan 212 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: is a despicable human being, an anti Semite, anti white, 213 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: anti women. He's an American and he's allowed to speak. 214 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: That's the difference between us. A gun didn't do this, 215 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: A so called man did this. Let's find him. Charlie 216 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: Kirk dead at the age of thirty one, to the 217 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: extent you pray, put him in your prayers, him and 218 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: his family. 219 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: This is Tony Katz today.