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Speaker 1: and I mentioned that I saw them in terms of

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Speaker 1: and that is get it into their shooters. But I

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Speaker 1: think what I was impressed by when I saw them

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Speaker 1: to then reset in really good ball movement and spacing

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Speaker 1: for Indiana offensively. But Tom Crane has a much more

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Speaker 1: trained eye when it comes to said things than do I,

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Speaker 1: so I thought we would bring him onto the program,

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Speaker 1: always happy to do so. From ESPN, he's on the

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Speaker 1: Java house Peel and poor guest line and coach. Let's

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Speaker 1: begin with that. What were your initial reactions when you

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Speaker 1: way that they want to play well.

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Speaker 2: It was more for me because again when this came up,

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Speaker 2: individually based on where they were at and their other programs.

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Speaker 2: And I think what they've done is they've gotten really

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Speaker 2: good cohesiveness. They know what they want to get. Like

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Speaker 2: you just said, they can play a lot of different ways.

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Speaker 2: I thought early on in the game they handled the

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Speaker 2: they went through that pretty easily, whether it was the

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Speaker 2: Like they'll run their actions and okay, if they don't

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Speaker 2: had to get it back, but those side screens, you know,

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Speaker 2: whether it was a big and a guard, whether it

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Speaker 2: some communication issues on Marquette and you can see this.

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Speaker 2: They did the same thing against Baylor, and they get

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Speaker 2: a lot of great looks because of it. Like, the

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Speaker 2: other thing that I think stands out to this team.

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Speaker 2: About this team is they're not a dribble, dribble, let's look,

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Speaker 2: let's hold it type of team. It is moving right,

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Speaker 2: it moves off the pass. They make quick decisions with

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Speaker 2: that's a tricky deal. Now, you know, outside of Tucker

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Speaker 2: like it's really hard to get guys to understand, especially

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Speaker 1: You know, the reality is in today's college basketball, it's

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Speaker 2: But I mean, they've got when you've got guys that

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just how open he was getting so many

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Speaker 2: this is really this is a great sign for this

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Speaker 1: And you don't pass the ball.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because you know Tucker de Breeze. I

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Speaker 1: it in a language that Indiana fans can relate to

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Speaker 1: what I'm seeing here is basically Aaron Kraft and then

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Speaker 1: Now are those Is that a fair comparison for Indiana fans?

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Speaker 2: Well in a way, the end right part, the defensive

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Speaker 2: like having four levels, right because he can keep backing up.

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Speaker 2: What they are really good at, and Darren's teams have

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Speaker 2: we had a lot of movement in our offense. We

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Speaker 2: And what's epidemic in college basketball and even in pro

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Speaker 1: that Shaka smart by nature. His teams are going to

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Speaker 2: No, And I'll tell you I saw them practice on

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Speaker 2: Sam Alexis would have started last year when he was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bailey. Reed Bailey is going to be so good.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think the Marquette team was anywhere close

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And that's why the last couple of years

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Speaker 1: Tom Crean is our guest. I know that you mentioned that.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like the eleventh hour. You didn't even

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Speaker 2: Well. I never asked for it, which I look back

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Speaker 2: It wasn't as weird as I thought it would be.

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Speaker 2: Maybe if I go back into Assembway Haul and do

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Speaker 1: Well, it was great. It was a great game. It

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I always enjoyed talking to you, so Coach appreciated.

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Speaker 2: It's got a lot of This team's got a lot going,

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Speaker 2: you know what they are right now. They're in shape

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Speaker 1: Like, they're like beads of water on your windshield. I

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Speaker 2: They've got a real chance because the league right now,

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Speaker 2: Marquette really got inside those elbows all game. You know,

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Speaker 2: if they can keep showing up the things defensively at Indiana,

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Speaker 1: Coach, we look forward to watching it and look forward

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Speaker 1: to watching your games over the course of the year

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Speaker 1: as well and always welcome back on but appreciate the

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Speaker 1: time today on short notice. Again, just like that game,

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: Happy to do it man, thanks a lot

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Speaker 1: To appreciate it, Tom Creen joining us on the Java

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Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest Line