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Speaker 1: Live from Vaal Hartland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. Can you have peace with Vladimir Putin?

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Speaker 2: And does peace come through a summit? Or does peace

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Speaker 2: come by saying, hey, here's all our bombs.

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Speaker 1: We've got more.

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Speaker 2: Than you now, can we get this done? And if

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Speaker 2: that's the case, exactly when does that happen? Because the

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Speaker 2: B fifty you fly over, while it was very very nice,

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Speaker 2: didn't seem to do the trick knowing that a missal

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Speaker 2: attack on Ukraine just next to the Slovakia border hit

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Speaker 2: a US owned business. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good

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Speaker 2: to be with you. Major Mike Lyons joins me and

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Speaker 2: right now retired United States Army West Point is where

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Speaker 2: he does the work military analysts to see him all

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Speaker 2: over your cable dial.

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Speaker 1: He is our guy.

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Speaker 2: First, let's get into the conversation about summits themselves. The

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Speaker 2: political left want to say that Trump got played like

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Speaker 2: a fiddle. The political right want to say, look how

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Speaker 2: much strength Trump had. I look in the meaning between

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Speaker 2: Trump and Putin, They're in anchorage, and I say, all right,

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Speaker 2: this is very much a Trump thing to do. Look

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Speaker 2: a guy in the eye, try and get it done.

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Speaker 2: Remind you how much hardware we have. What are we doing?

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Speaker 2: What was your take on the summit?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably that, Tony. I think that this is Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: The art of the deal has to again look him

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Speaker 4: in the eye and propose something out there and get

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Speaker 4: a feel for what's going on. I think he said

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Speaker 4: a low expectation going and he said he'll know in

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Speaker 4: the first five or ten seconds whether or not we'll

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Speaker 4: get a deal or not. I think he felt comfortable

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Speaker 4: with whatever Putin said to him, and I think that,

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Speaker 4: you know, he continued to go down that path enough

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Speaker 4: where it did definitely put the political left on a

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Speaker 4: tiels by saying it was a failure. But you know,

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Speaker 4: they over the week pretty much administration Marco Rubio, as

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Speaker 4: they went on the Sunday morning programs, they all kind

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Speaker 4: of buttoned up and said we have to, you know,

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Speaker 4: find out what the next steps were. And then we

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Speaker 4: saw the European leaders show up Monday right away. That

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Speaker 4: was pretty interesting as well. Who specifically was at that

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Speaker 4: meeting with the President talking about the summit?

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Speaker 3: Europe backing up President Trump.

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Speaker 4: So I saw it got off to a good start

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Speaker 4: last week with Friday with the meeting, I thought that

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Speaker 4: it was the right thing to do, and then when

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Speaker 4: Europe shows up to backstop it, I thought was very important.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it was definitely a different vibe and it

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Speaker 4: looked like there was a lot of momentum. But as

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Speaker 4: summits have historically shown, they can fall apart quickly as well.

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Speaker 2: And to that point, it is interesting you were discussing

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Speaker 2: it a little bit before we started recording that. As

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Speaker 2: I noted, the left was opposed. Look how you're elevating

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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin. He's a murder of this and that, yes,

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Speaker 2: but he's the warring party, and Trump is not a

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Speaker 2: fan of war. He really has a fundamental issue with

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Speaker 2: it in every single way. He tries to end it

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Speaker 2: because he doesn't understand it's its value, it's important. He

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Speaker 2: he doesn't see anything in there that makes sense. He

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Speaker 2: wants to be this peace president. That seems very very obvious.

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Speaker 2: So he has the meeting. But to that end, it

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Speaker 2: brings up a larger conversation about meetings. We take a

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Speaker 2: look at Russia US relations and we think of Ronald

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Speaker 2: Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev in Regumik, right, We think of

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Speaker 2: that meeting where here Gorbachev shows up in nine coats

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Speaker 1: Wearing thermal underwear. And that was that. That visual was

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Speaker 1: the end of the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, talk to me about summits in general and how

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Speaker 2: you think they work over history.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that that initial meeting failed, as we know that

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Speaker 4: when Reagan said you could have said yes when he

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Speaker 4: with nuclear treaties. But eventually more meetings came about and

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Speaker 4: the fact remained that they were able to get something

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Speaker 4: done finally. But that initial one. But if you look

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Speaker 4: large when major power leaders got together, and I think

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Speaker 4: different summits the United States and Russia in particular in

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Speaker 4: then at the time. But the bottom line is just

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Speaker 4: for them to be successful, they have to have clear

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Speaker 3: To what's going on.

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Speaker 4: They have to be written down usually so everybody knows

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Speaker 4: then they have to be enforced and then enforce a

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Speaker 4: the sticking point right now with this current summit.

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Speaker 3: You've got to be able to put troops. Go back to.

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Speaker 4: The Vietnam War for example, any of those kinds of

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 3: So again you bring it all together, you have to

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Speaker 4: Three components to have a successful summit, and unfortunately right

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Speaker 4: now we don't have any of them.

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Speaker 2: Well, so does that mean you categorize the Trump Putin

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Speaker 4: Well, for now, I think summits have to go in

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Speaker 4: cerial and the first thing you have to do is

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Speaker 4: what the negotiations are. And it seems as though from

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Speaker 4: what I'm my understanding now, from what Trump thought Putin said,

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Speaker 4: seems to be a disconnect. And I think that's the

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Speaker 2: Well, get intoime with me talking to Major Mike Lyons,

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Speaker 2: retired United States Army military analyst. What's the disconnect? What

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Speaker 2: in your view, what God said, what's being said?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Trump thought Putin would allow Western militaries

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Speaker 3: To give up some of that land.

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Speaker 4: Giving up land from Ukraine's perspective is a huge deal,

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Speaker 4: and I think that was one of the sticking points

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Speaker 4: You know. The bottom line is, you know Russia has

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Speaker 4: to his Congress to say we're going to lose this

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Speaker 4: land area. He wants security assurances. Well, I think Trump

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Speaker 3: It looks like from what Labrapha said and what's.

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Speaker 4: Kind of come out that Putin is back to his

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Speaker 4: he wants no NATO assurances in Ukraine, and he wants

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Speaker 3: So I think that's a little bit of a stalemate.

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Speaker 2: So the idea that he went back on his word,

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Speaker 2: the Vladimir Putin went back on his word, there's no

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Speaker 2: surprise in this. It would be impossible to see somebody

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Speaker 2: see this bombing that took place basically a mile from

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Speaker 2: from Russia, that hits this US aligned and funded business.

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Speaker 1: That had to have been purposeful, right.

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Speaker 2: That was Vladimir Putin saying we'll do anything we want,

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Speaker 2: anytime we want.

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Speaker 1: We hold all the cards.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was really the to me, that was

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Speaker 2: the signal to President Trump that I think I can

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Speaker 1: Was that not it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so, Tony.

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Speaker 4: I think that again, I never thought from the beginning

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Speaker 4: you were going to make a historical analysis to anything

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Speaker 4: tip the balance in favor at least get both sides

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Speaker 4: to admit that they were going anywhere militarily. That's just

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Speaker 4: not the case right now. Vladimir Putin still believes he

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Speaker 4: to the internet and get my news, we find that

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Speaker 4: Russia has launched the largest attack ever you know, to

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Speaker 3: Well, it keeps escalating.

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Speaker 4: They keep ratcheting up the pressure or cruise missiles and

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Speaker 4: stop them. So Russia is escalating right now. And this

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Speaker 4: is not like escalating before peace negotiations. This is an

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Speaker 4: escalation to try to put more pressure on Ukraine. So

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't think Russia ever had the leverage

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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't think the US had the leverage

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Speaker 2: on them now, well, Ukraine really is.

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Speaker 4: They're the ones that you know, there's not been enough pressure.

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Speaker 4: If if all of a sudden, the United States does

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Speaker 4: and had given them a chance they'll previous three years,

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Speaker 4: then maybe that would happen. But for right now we're seeing,

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Speaker 4: also from a warfare strategic perspective, you can't defend something,

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Speaker 4: George Patten said from the very beginning, You just can't.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you're going to sit there and take.

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Speaker 4: It as a country and defend, you're eventually going to lose,

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Speaker 4: especially a war of attrition against the country that's got

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Speaker 2: So talking to Major Mike Lyons, retired United States Army,

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Speaker 2: we should at this moment make sure that we're all

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Speaker 2: on the same page about what we're discussing. We're discussing

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Speaker 2: how Russia sees the war with Ukraine and does not

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Speaker 2: and the United States intervention.

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Speaker 1: That's the discussion here.

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Speaker 2: This is not a discussion whether the United States could

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Speaker 2: take the Russian military state States could end the Russian

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Speaker 1: Because to your point, major Lions, the.

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Speaker 2: Russians have proved that they don't have a military worth

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Speaker 2: a good Holy dang. They absolutely turn this into a cluster.

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Speaker 2: What was supposed to be three days is now three years.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't even figure out how to run their tanks

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Speaker 2: on roads. Instead they ran through muddy fields. But what

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Speaker 2: the Russians do have and have historically had, is a

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Speaker 2: willingness to let people die for the cause. And in

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Speaker 2: as you were describing, a war of attrition, the Russians

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Speaker 2: can outlast the Ukrainians without question. The Russians have more

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Speaker 2: the bodies at it. Which brings us now to the Europeans.

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Speaker 2: You see the summit Trump and Putin. Your argument is

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Speaker 2: nothing concrete comes out of that. Putin's already renegging on that.

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Speaker 2: That's a real issue for how one could could think

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Speaker 2: that makes Donald Trump look the president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: But here come the European leaders. Trump that meets with

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Speaker 4: And if they had more weapons that they introduced another

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Speaker 4: weapon today at long range missile today that they're manufacturing.

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Speaker 4: What Ukraine has done for its fair it's been nothing

444
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Speaker 4: short than amazing from their country, and from what's going on,

445
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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot kind of like I'll make

446
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Speaker 4: it like Israel. There's a lot of support coming in

447
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Speaker 4: from the United States, I'm sure on the down low.

448
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Speaker 4: But they're still willing to fight. So if they're still

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Speaker 4: willing to fight, we should give them the resources to

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Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Major Mike Lyons, retired to the United States

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Speaker 2: Army military analyst, I'm going to go back to this

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Speaker 2: conversation about Europe and that Europe wants to thwart Russia

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Speaker 2: where they are have the buffer between them and Slovakia

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Speaker 2: and poland them between them and anything that could bring

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Speaker 2: about an Article five challenge to that grouping of NATO

457
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Speaker 2: and attack on one is an attack on all. And

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Speaker 2: I think it is a clear argument that the Europeans

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Speaker 2: understand that Russia is an expansion of power before we

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Speaker 2: move any forward in this any further in this conversation,

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Speaker 2: Major Lions, yes or no, is Russia under Vladimir Putin

462
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Speaker 2: an expansion is power.

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Speaker 4: They are to the extent where they would like to

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Speaker 4: restore the former USSR. We saw again Lavrov come to

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Speaker 4: that meeting with the USSR sweatshirt. That's their mentality. That's

466
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Speaker 4: Vladimir Putin's in his genetics and his genes. That's what

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Speaker 4: he wants to do. That's where he envisions Russia as

468
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Speaker 4: a world power, not just the land mass occurrence he

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Speaker 4: currently owns. Ukraine is the jewel of that for many

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Speaker 4: reasons going back in history. But to think they're going

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Speaker 4: to Latvi about and those other Baltic countries and Poland.

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Speaker 3: And the like is just not feasible. But as a minimum,

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Speaker 3: while he's alive, he still wants like to have Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: So we can at least now put that part aside.

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Speaker 2: We know that this is factual, we know that this

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Speaker 2: is true. The Europeans need to thwart this. It's the

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Speaker 2: Europeans who need to say, you know what, We're gonna

478
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Speaker 2: point guns at Russian skulls and if we have to

479
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Speaker 2: pull the trigger, we will. That's the only way the

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Speaker 2: Russians are going to stop. It's the only way this

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Speaker 2: going to happen. Donald Trump has clearly no interest in that,

482
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Speaker 2: but Donald Trump more so has no interest in being played,

483
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Speaker 2: and certainly one can argue with these latest moves in

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Speaker 2: the last twenty four to thirty six hours by Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 2: it's like, listen, they want to work a deal to okay,

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Speaker 2: they are not interested in a deal. Where, in your view,

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Speaker 2: based on your contact, your information, your thoughts, where does

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Speaker 2: that leave the United States in this saying you know

489
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Speaker 2: what we tried, moving on or you know what we tried.

490
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Speaker 2: Putin thinks he's tough. Let us show you what is

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Speaker 2: Which way is this going?

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Speaker 3: I don't think Trump is there yet, but he could

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Speaker 3: get there. I do believe that that's the case.

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Speaker 4: And I think he recognizes that the Germans, for example,

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Speaker 4: would should have had the largest military in order to

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Speaker 4: thwart this and to be the greatest threat to Russia.

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Speaker 4: The actual military on the ground that is the greatest

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Speaker 4: threat to Russia is Turkey, that's in Europe. But the

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Speaker 4: problem obviously with Turkey is they're aligned with Russia. They

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Speaker 4: had bought US, say, four hundred missiles from them. I

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Speaker 4: think Erduwan has moved somewhat away from Russia. If you noticed,

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Speaker 4: they were not the meeting. Also absent from the meeting.

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Speaker 4: I thought the Canadians were absent, and as were the polls.

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Speaker 4: I think I think, you know, having a Polish leader

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Speaker 4: there would have been an interesting concept because of the

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Speaker 4: amount of support they already provide Ukraine. But until until

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Speaker 4: Vladimir Putin feels that to your point that the European

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Speaker 4: nations can put together a formidable military or security agreement

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Speaker 4: without relying on NATO, because I think one of the

510
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Speaker 4: issues is if they do. If let's say, German and

511
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Speaker 4: French troops decide that they're part of the security arrangement

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Speaker 4: and the Russians do decide to attack them, I think

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Speaker 4: I think one of the stipulations will be that will

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Speaker 4: not constitute an Article five attack and it will not

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Speaker 4: necessarily trigger a full NATO response.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about a president that put his entire reputation,

518
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Speaker 2: and very much so on the line here that wanting

519
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Speaker 2: this piece deal is important. Was the campaign promise It

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Speaker 2: would have ended in day one, and you had Vladimir

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Speaker 2: Putin at the summit saying Donald Trump is right, this

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Speaker 2: would never have happened if Trump was president, which is

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Speaker 2: a kind of a throwaway line. It doesn't actually mean anything.

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Speaker 2: There's no there there when he says it it's just

525
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Speaker 2: platitude for valuelessness. But Trump put himself on the line,

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Speaker 2: and this is Putin saying, yeah, I don't care to

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Speaker 2: think that nothing comes from that is certainly and I

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Speaker 2: think an impossible way to view it. So that would

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Speaker 2: lead me to question how Vladimir Putin is viewing this,

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Speaker 2: thinking that, Eh, what's he going to do to me.

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Speaker 2: I've got China, which I am possibly a vassal state

532
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Speaker 2: of already. Maybe I've got India because I'm selling them oil.

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Speaker 2: As you brought up earlier, they can't do anything to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take all this land.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll take a little bit more, and that's just

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Speaker 2: the way it is, and then I'll stop for a

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Speaker 2: couple of years and then I'll.

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Speaker 1: Start back up again.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's got to be a response from a

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Speaker 2: Trump White House to that real possibility being the actual reality.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And from what people I know in the NSC

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Speaker 4: and from what I hear Marco Rubio say, they're going

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Speaker 4: to have a hard line stance against Ukraine, which means

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Speaker 4: they're going to pour weapons in first. They're not going

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Speaker 4: to you know, Donald Trump could force Ukraine to somewhat

546
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Speaker 4: acquiesce more give into this, give into what Putin wants

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Speaker 4: in order just to stop the war.

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Speaker 3: From his perspective, I don't think that'll happen.

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Speaker 4: I think there's enough people around Trump right now that

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Speaker 4: say we've got to if Ukraine is willing to fight,

551
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Speaker 4: we have to then continue to support them, continue to

552
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Speaker 4: reinforce what they're doing, give them offensive weapons, let them go.

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Speaker 4: Let's take the risk of Russia not expanding this any further.

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Speaker 4: You look at what happened the date and the chords

555
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Speaker 4: put more pressure on them militarily, them recognize they won't

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Speaker 4: accomplish their goals in the military.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back again to this conversation about Russia, China, India.

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Speaker 2: I talk about a reference that Wall Street journal piece

559
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Speaker 2: we have discussed before you and I on this show

560
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Speaker 2: that Russia could already be a vassal state of China,

561
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Speaker 2: unable to basically function if it wasn't for Chinese money

562
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Speaker 2: or whatever that may be coming that we don't we

563
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Speaker 2: don't know about. Is there a real consideration about world

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Speaker 2: realignment and how does the United.

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Speaker 1: States deal with that?

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Speaker 2: Meaning is Ukraine really the first thing that we should

567
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Speaker 2: be focused on, or like what's his name Elbridge. Oh gosh,

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Speaker 2: I can't remember his name, Colby, thank you. Everything needs

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Speaker 2: to be focused on China every step of the way.

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Speaker 2: When China says we're really looking forward to reuniting and

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Speaker 2: having reunification with high that that is absolutely a threat.

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Speaker 1: We know that Senator Todd Young of Indiana was in the.

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Speaker 2: Philippines soon after two Chinese vessels crashed going after a

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Speaker 2: Filipino a vessel, navy vessel. That there's real movement happening

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Speaker 2: in the South China Sea and the Philippines Sea, in

576
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Speaker 2: the Straits of Taiwan that has China on the move

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Speaker 2: to further their hegemonic power. Is Ukraine the right focus

578
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Speaker 2: or should it be Listen, We'll keep sending you patriots

579
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Speaker 2: and some bullets, but we have to deal with the

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Speaker 2: China threat now that not only works against our allies Japan,

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Speaker 2: the Philippines works regarding how we have free trade and

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Speaker 2: free navigable seas, but we got to keep China from

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Speaker 2: partnering up with India because India needs to know who's

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Speaker 2: actually in charge.

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Speaker 4: Well, in the old days, we had a doctor and

586
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Speaker 4: that said we could fight a two and a half

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Speaker 4: front war, we could fight a war, both in Germany

588
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Speaker 4: in Europe and then as well all US the Pacific,

589
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Speaker 4: and then fight smaller conflicts and other locations during the

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Speaker 4: Clinton administration. It was in early Bush administrations that was

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Speaker 4: ratcheted down to really one and a half because of

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Speaker 4: the cost, and then as they realigned our army, for example,

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Speaker 4: taking five hundred thousand soldiers out of active duty spaces

594
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Speaker 4: and the like. So today the focus really is only

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Speaker 4: that one and a half. So I think the question

596
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Speaker 4: is I'm sure guys like Pete Hegseth know that, and

597
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Speaker 4: Elbridge Colby know that, and so they want that one

598
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Speaker 4: to be focused into the Pacific and not necessarily into

599
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Speaker 4: China and not necessarily into Europe. But I think part

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Speaker 4: of the Pentagon budget is to make that point five

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Speaker 4: back to a one so you have the ability to

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Speaker 4: fight the two front war if we had to.

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Speaker 3: I think we could. I think we could do both.

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Speaker 4: I do think that our focus in Ukraine has been

605
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Speaker 4: more or less an open checkbook, helping American defense contractors

606
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Speaker 4: and helping them in that regard.

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Speaker 3: But our strategic focus still has to be the Pacific.

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Speaker 4: It has to be what's going on there, Getting enough

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Speaker 4: naval assets in that place is creating enough of the

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Speaker 4: terms for the Chinese. Trump's already on the hook saying

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Speaker 4: Jiji Ping said he would not attack Taiwan while he's president,

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Speaker 4: so he seems to be confident with that. But again

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Speaker 4: the question is whether or not the Chinese leader is

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Speaker 4: going to run out of patients as well at some

615
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Speaker 4: point before I let you go.

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Speaker 1: Is peace possible between Ukraine and Russia? Not?

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Speaker 2: You know, hey, they're gonna have to give up this

618
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Speaker 2: or someone else is gonna have to give up that.

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Speaker 2: Is it possible to see the Russians stop their advance

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Speaker 2: on Ukrainian territory in the year twenty twenty five, Tony,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's enough leverage on Vladimir Putin to

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Speaker 4: do that. And he will continue to fight and will

624
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Speaker 4: continue to throw his citizenships into the meat grinder of Ukraine.

625
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Speaker 4: Ukraine will continue to block and stop them. Is now

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Speaker 4: up to a point where there will be a clear

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Speaker 4: winner and a clear loser. And at this point, right now,

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Speaker 4: if if Ukraine decides to agree what Ledimer Putin wants

629
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Speaker 4: to do, Ukraine will be the clear loser. And until

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Speaker 4: the European nations decide to help and make sure that

631
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Speaker 4: doesn't be the case. They're given the military assets you

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Speaker 4: need to continue to go as long as he wants

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Speaker 4: to go.

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Speaker 3: I don't take him not in this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems to me the European nations are totally

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Speaker 2: fine with Ukraine giving up some land as long as

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Speaker 2: it continues to be the buffer. It seems to me

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Speaker 2: that these European nations understand that eventually there's going to

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Speaker 2: be a peacekeeping force east of Kiev, and it's going

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Speaker 2: to be them, and the United States may provide some

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Speaker 2: mayor of support, which creates a whole nother issue. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I don't think anybody's leaving the region, but

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Speaker 2: I am with you about where the Russians are at.

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Speaker 2: Certainly after seeing what happened in the last thirty six hours,

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Speaker 2: Major Mike Lions retired the United States Army military analyst

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Speaker 2: m Aj.

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Speaker 1: Mike Lyons yons Major Mike Lions.

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Speaker 2: On Twitter X follow him there. I appreciate you being

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Speaker 2: here more to get to I'm Tony Katz. This is

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats today. So there's tongues of palace intrigue going

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Speaker 2: on in DC. You've got a governor in California who

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Speaker 2: has decided to heck with business and to heck with

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Speaker 2: the people. He's full on cartman. I do have one

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Speaker 2: that was not a bad cartman.

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Speaker 1: Not great, but not bad.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: I am thrilled that Nick Sercy is coming to town.

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Speaker 2: The actor, the producer from Justified, from Fried Green Tomatoes,

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Speaker 2: from was he in the Fugitive? He was from Runaway Jury.

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Speaker 2: He's done everything, has Nick. We've even done some stuff together.

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Speaker 2: But he's coming to my beloved Indianapolis to participate with

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Speaker 2: me from Hollywood to the Heartland my new show, which

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Speaker 2: is taking place a Saturday night. Tickets to Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: dot com. If you Sti'll want to get tickets, you

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Speaker 1: I'll just keep it open for you. Tickets dot Tony

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Speaker 1: kats dot com. It's not too late. We've got bourbon

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Speaker 1: for everybody.

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Speaker 2: This is taking place at West Fork Whiskey, Fantastic fantastic distillery.

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Speaker 2: Barbecue for everybody. Cigars at the end of the night.

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Speaker 2: I got desserts going on. It's an incredible night with

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Speaker 2: actor Nick Sersey. He's going to go through parts of

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Speaker 2: his career, some insane Hollywood stories, what it took to

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Speaker 2: make some movies, and how basically he got a lot

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Speaker 2: of grief for other movies and yet he is still acting.

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Speaker 1: How does that happen?

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, he made two documentaries, actually more but two documentaries

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Speaker 2: about January sixth.

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Speaker 1: How did those go over? What did you teach them

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Speaker 1: about DC?

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Speaker 2: And why did he decide to move to the Heartland

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Speaker 2: just like I did from Hollywood to the Heartland with

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Speaker 2: actor Nick Sercy. Tickets to tonicots dot com. I am

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Speaker 2: so looking forward to it. It's going to be such

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Speaker 2: a good night, such a great time. I hope I

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Speaker 2: see you there. I hope that you're a part of it.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't gotten tickets yet, do it. Tickets to

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Speaker 2: whole thing. I will share some video with you guys

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Speaker 2: after the event. Find everything I do at Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: course tickets Tony Katz dot com. I'll see it Saturday

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Speaker 2: or I'll see it Monday. Until then, everyone take care,