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Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about Antifa being labeled a

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Speaker 1: terrorist group. This is good and valuable and important, and

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Speaker 1: they are.

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Speaker 2: And yet we.

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Speaker 1: Still have people out there who want to tell you

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Speaker 1: that these group of so called anti fascists, they're not

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Speaker 1: a problem. It was it was Joe Biden who told

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Speaker 1: you it's it's an idea, it's it's not a group.

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Speaker 1: Told told you this, lied to you, without question, lied

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Speaker 1: to you. And then and there are people I think

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Speaker 1: it was Dan Goldman, the congressman from New York, who

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Speaker 1: was like, well, well show me show me one of

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Speaker 1: these people, show me one of these Antifa people. Well

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Speaker 1: they're masked up and everything else, and they're destroying property

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Speaker 1: and going after immigrations and customs and enforcement agents and

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Speaker 2: And we know now that when it comes to.

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Speaker 1: This, You've got the guy who was shooting at ICE

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Speaker 1: agents in Dallas. Oh, well, he killed a detainee. He

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Speaker 1: didn't kill anything from ICE. You don't know what that

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Speaker 1: was about. You don't have a motive. These people are,

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Speaker 1: of course certifiable. Of course we have the motive. We

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Speaker 1: have now the information, handwritten notes recovered that read quote.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully this will give ICE agents real terror to think,

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Speaker 1: is there a sniper with armor piercing rounds on that roof.

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Speaker 1: The objective was to go after ICE agents. The objective

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Speaker 1: was using those apps that they tracked ICE agents with.

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Speaker 1: That's what he was doing.

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Speaker 2: He's been planning something like this for months.

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Speaker 1: And then looked into what happened regarding the Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: The violence of the left goes without saying.

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Speaker 1: That is not a discounting of any violence that happens

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Speaker 1: on the political right. It is a saying of you

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Speaker 1: have over the years demanded this Now you're getting what

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Speaker 2: And you'll note there.

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Speaker 1: Is no real push at all from any leftist leadership

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Speaker 1: to make it stop. Antifa doesn't exist. Show me somebody

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Speaker 1: who's part of Antifa. That's the proof. That's the proof.

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Speaker 1: ICE agents get shot at, and the left says, well,

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Speaker 1: look at what ICE is doing.

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Speaker 2: Look at what ICE is doing. They're doing their job.

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Speaker 2: Here's just a small list.

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Speaker 1: This was from over at Newsmax, Mark Swanson reporting, you

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Speaker 1: have members of an Antifa cell ambushing officers and an

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Speaker 2: Shooting one in the neck. That was July three.

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Speaker 1: Antifa members charged with assaulting a police officer during a

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Speaker 2: This is just the stuff with ICE, but more on Antifa.

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Speaker 2: That's February of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: July of twenty twenty, Antifa members linked to a group

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Speaker 1: called James Revenge firebomb pro life centers vandalizing churches. Do

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Speaker 1: has had this issue churches being set on fire. January

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Speaker 1: course you can name nine million other issues that took

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Speaker 1: place during the George Floyd riot times. Of course, Antifa

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Speaker 1: is a terrorist organization and their objective is to destroy America. Now,

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Speaker 1: I put forth to you that the Antifa member has

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Speaker 1: Now, when the communism is here, they're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: And I mean that sad and ridiculous. And you might say, well, Toty,

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Speaker 1: tepid all of a sudden. Capitalism allows people to make choices,

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Speaker 1: for utilizing any of the plans from Bernie Sanders. They're

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Speaker 1: again a conversation about liberty versus freedom. Forgive me, excuse

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Speaker 1: me there. I'm a believer in liberty. The freedom society

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Speaker 1: The antifa people don't believe in property rights. The anti

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Speaker 2: Without property rights, you cannot be free.

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Speaker 1: Now, I have always shared it this way, that if

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Speaker 1: a pen, I'm holding on to a pen right here?

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Speaker 1: Does that sound like a pen? That's my pen, and

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Speaker 2: This is mine.

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Speaker 1: It belongs to me, and it cannot be taken from

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Speaker 2: System of justice.

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Speaker 1: But if the pen could be taken from me by

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Speaker 2: I am not a free person. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: How could anybody not favor property rights. Property rights are

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Speaker 1: nature and Nature's God. It is that I exist. I

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Speaker 1: the pursuit of happiness?

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Speaker 1: Am able to acquire, achieve, a procure a pen, name

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Speaker 1: It was Tim Kaine who, in one of the more

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Speaker 3: The notion that rights don't come from laws, and don't

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Speaker 1: Their question is who brought the matches.

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Speaker 1: Because perversions like Tim Kaines play in other ways, like

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Speaker 1: the perversion of Marxism, the perversion that Karl Marx really

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Speaker 1: You'll comply, won't you. That's exactly what it is. And

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Speaker 1: now it's people like Representive Alexandria Casio Cortes and the

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Speaker 1: And I think we need to make it happen with

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Speaker 1: what it is We the people, in order to form

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Speaker 1: a more perfect union. Not form a perfect union. You

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Speaker 1: work there, you get there. I'm not arguing that anything's perfect.

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Speaker 1: I'm arguing that capitalism is the best system devised by

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Speaker 1: Man thus far. And these Marxists, these antifas, these Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders supporting fools, ain't got nothing. Antifa is a terrorist organization.

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Speaker 1: Who cares what Joe Biden or Dan Golban or anybody

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Speaker 1: else says.

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Speaker 2: We know what is.

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Speaker 1: Let us vote for people who put an end to

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Speaker 1: such organizations, who prosecute people engaged in such violence. And

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Speaker 1: let's make sure the people who want the matches never

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Speaker 1: get elected to positions where they're close to the fuse.

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today,