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Speaker 3: at eight o'clock. Kevin Bow and James Boyd and Mark

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Speaker 3: Dyton with you here on this Wednesday morning. It was

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Speaker 3: a great night at college hoops from a champions Classic standpoint. Tonight,

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Speaker 3: you've got a couple of Marquee ones as well. Arizona

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Speaker 3: at Yukon. That's four versus three in the polls uh,

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Speaker 3: and then Alabama and Illinois taking on each other. I

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Speaker 3: believe that's a united center for that one. Unfortunately, Braylan

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Speaker 3: Mullins has been out with an ankle injury. Going to

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Speaker 3: be out I think a little bit longer, so he

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Speaker 3: won't play for Yukon. I was thinking about this yesterday

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Speaker 3: in regards to Indiana's non conference schedule. Indiana has got

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Speaker 3: Louisville coming up over Gamebridge Fieldhouse. That is a Saturday,

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Speaker 3: I think it's the sixth or the fifth of December.

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Speaker 3: Saturday afternoon, and then we start back up the Indiana

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Speaker 3: Kentucky series, which obviously has had a ton of debate

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Speaker 3: among both of those fan bases. And for the first

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Speaker 3: time since the watch shot, you will have Indiana traveling

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Speaker 3: to Kentucky that next Saturday. So James, back to back weekends,

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Speaker 3: Indiana basketball plays Louisville on a neutral floor here in Indy,

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Speaker 3: and then the next Saturday they are at Kentucky. And

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Speaker 3: I would argue with I think plenty of merit that

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Speaker 3: the fan base of the Indiana Hoosiers will care more

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Speaker 3: about Indiana football on each of those Saturdays than they

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Speaker 3: will Indiana basketball playing Louisville and Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but I think a lot of that has to

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Speaker 4: do with one team is wildly more successful at the

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Speaker 4: moment than the other.

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Speaker 5: Well, if I you basketball were.

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Speaker 3: Top five, well hear me out for a second here

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Speaker 3: and again, it's what a time to be alive. But

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Speaker 3: Indiana will have the in all likelihood the Big Ten title.

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Speaker 3: That's Saturday. Yeah, so it's Indiano Louisville gamebridge Field House.

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Speaker 3: I believe it's a two o'clock tip time. And then

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Speaker 3: if you want to and boy, pray for the candy stripe, Nation,

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Speaker 3: pray for the downtown bars, pray for the livers. You

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Speaker 3: could then make the walk over to Lucas Oil Stadium

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Speaker 3: for what we are assuming will be Indiana and Ohio

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Speaker 3: State on that Saturday night and then the next Saturday.

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Speaker 3: And I find this a little funny. You know, ESPN

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Speaker 3: hosts the rights to the Heisman Trophy ceremony, right, so

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Speaker 3: ESPN has moved the Heisman Trophy over to ABC. So

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Speaker 3: from a programming standpoint, you know, Heisman Trophy Saturday is

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Speaker 3: always just Army Navy. From a college football standpoint, obviously

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Speaker 3: you don't play anymore games. So ESPN thought to themselves,

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Speaker 3: you know whatever, a couple of months ago, Hey, let's

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Speaker 3: get kind of a Marquee college basketball game opposite the Heisman,

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Speaker 3: you know, and let's just pick teams that probably won't

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Speaker 3: have Heisman finalists. So what's the game tipping at the

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Speaker 3: same time of the Heisman ceremony And you're playing at Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: So your point in basketball. So for back to back Saturdays,

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Speaker 3: I you Nation will be more concerned understandably with their

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Speaker 5: Okay, once you've laid it all out, the yeah, for.

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Speaker 3: Sure, which is just wild.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're talking about championships in the biggest award in

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Speaker 4: the sport, both of which you're in high contention for.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the odds are, maybe Mark and

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Speaker 4: Okay, so their neck and neck man, Julian saying, looks

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Speaker 3: How old is this guy? Is he even draft eligible?

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Speaker 4: I feel like Julian saying, will be the little brother

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Speaker 3: He looks like he's like a Disney channel like Bully

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Speaker 3: But yes, that is wild her nerd Colts Chief's coming

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Speaker 3: this game, James. I know anytime you play Patrick ma

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Speaker 3: one point Cincinnati won three straight.

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Speaker 5: But he was like those if you go back and.

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Speaker 3: his sack numbers have gone up infinitely. Yeah, but it's

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, this is gonna be a chess match.

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Speaker 4: We know how much film Daniel Jones will break down,

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Speaker 4: and certainly there's never been any issues with Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 3: And I'm not one that likes to rehash this on

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Speaker 3: today is indeed the twenty first anniversary alis and was

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Speaker 3: you know, Rick, it's something I'm sure you've been asked

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Speaker 3: answer went down a path that I didn't necessarily. First off,

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Speaker 3: minutes long. So let's play this here, Mark again. This

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Speaker 3: is where Carlisle a couple of years back on the

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Speaker 6: Well, I think I think about it very rarely, And yeah,

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Speaker 6: I didn't mean to bring it up on the on

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Speaker 6: the anniversary of it, because I look back at it

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Speaker 6: as one of the most positive experiences of my coaching career.

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Speaker 6: You know, we we we got off to a seven

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Speaker 6: had a couple of games that, Kevin, I don't even

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Speaker 6: know if you were alive then, I mean, but.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, well, you know the next three games

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Speaker 6: And it turned out to be a very a very

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Speaker 3: That next night, Fred Jones missed the three of the

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Speaker 3: Fred Jones played forty eight minutes that night at thirty

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Speaker 3: If you are of these guys on the roster right now,

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Speaker 3: that sounds, and health is contributing to it, you better

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Speaker 4: I would definitely agree with that two things, and I'll

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Speaker 3: Well, and take that one step further. Rick mentions Reggie

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I honestly think that Reggie had one of the

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Speaker 5: Yeah you know, oh yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, what is it for Jerius?

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Speaker 4: what is that one thing? What can I hang my

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Speaker 3: side of Gainbridge Field House. Shockingly, they are close to

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Speaker 3: about to pick them for this game. So if not tonight,

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Speaker 3: I don't know when. Frankly, the Pacers will get that

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Speaker 3: next w Much more on that, much more on the Colts.

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Speaker 3: Stephen Holder joins us next. Cults are back to practice

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Speaker 3: later today as they have returned from their bye week.

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Speaker 3: It's Colts and Chiefs coming up this weekend at Arrowhead

440
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Speaker 3: again Patrick Mahomes. The only team he has yet to

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Speaker 3: beat in the regular season in his NFL career would

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Speaker 3: be the Inannapolis Colts Matt Ryan Jacobe Bursett with a

443
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Speaker 3: win over Mahomes. Quite the stat there. As we head

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Speaker 3: into Sunday again one o'clock from Ara to talk more

445
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Speaker 3: about it. He is a cover of the Colts and

446
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Speaker 3: does great great work in his latest on Daniel Jones

447
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Speaker 3: the Little Peyton Manny Connection. We'll get to here. He

448
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Speaker 3: is Stephen Holder from ESPN. Steven I had to rub

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Speaker 3: the eyes a couple times yesterday and squint just a

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Speaker 3: little harder and said, boy, I know we've talked a

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Speaker 3: lot about ESPN lately and it's availability. But I swear

452
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Speaker 3: my TV is showing me Steven Holder and Jeff's Saturday

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Speaker 3: in a picture and picture did I see correctly yesterday?

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Speaker 7: I believe you did. H. I mean we're tight. I

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Speaker 7: don't know what you're talking about, Like we are basically BFFs.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 7: I love Jeff jeffus. Jeff is great at TV in fact,

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Speaker 7: like he's he's really good at it, really great and natural. Look,

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Speaker 7: he was.

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Speaker 5: Mister Holder great at TV? What about everything else?

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Speaker 7: Hey, listen, listen, that is my coworker. Okay, you know, look,

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Speaker 7: I mean listen. We all know this. When when you

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Speaker 7: are you have a reporter slash subject relationship, it gets testy.

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Speaker 7: So we got testy at times. And I think that's healthy,

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Speaker 7: you know, because if if we're always all nice all

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Speaker 7: the time, then what are we even doing?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 7: So, uh, that that was just a reality of it.

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Speaker 7: But that's in the rearview mirror. And yeah, I think

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Speaker 7: we're all where we're supposed to be now, doing what

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Speaker 7: we're supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 3: I apologize for going down this path. I really don't

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Speaker 3: want to, but it's kind of where my brain is

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Speaker 3: at right now. We'll get to coltson Chiefs in just

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Speaker 3: a second, But in all seriousness, have you ever chatted

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Speaker 3: with Jeff post interim coaching career about him wanting to

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Speaker 3: try to get into coaching again. I mean, obviously he

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Speaker 3: coached high school before this, or do you think TV

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Speaker 3: will be kind of his calling card here moving forward?

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Speaker 7: It's a good question. I have not had that conversation

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Speaker 7: with him, and I actually wonder now that you mention it.

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Speaker 7: I don't know. I do know that well we all

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Speaker 7: know frankly, that coaching was something that was of interest

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Speaker 7: to him. I don't think he was ever ready to

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Speaker 7: maybe make the commitment until Jim Erse personally called him

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Speaker 7: and gave him that opportunity, you know, just sort of

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Speaker 7: a you know, put him on the spot. That was

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Speaker 7: a little bit of a unique situation, super unique situation obviously,

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Speaker 7: But I think coaching was always an interest to him,

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Speaker 7: like he you know, we know he had conversations about

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Speaker 7: it with the Colts in the past. He just never

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Speaker 7: really pulled the trigger. I would say this without having

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Speaker 7: talked to him about it. All I can say is

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Speaker 7: that I do think that the experience as an interim

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Speaker 7: coach was probably eye opening for him in terms of

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Speaker 7: what the job requires. It's it's never ending. Okay, the

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Speaker 7: hours are hard, they're long. I mean Shane Stike and

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Speaker 7: I don't that guy doesn't sleep. Okay, he really doesn't.

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Speaker 7: I don't know how he does it, but he doesn't sleep.

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Speaker 7: And I think that's a reality that's really hard to

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Speaker 7: grasp until you actually do the job. And I've had

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Speaker 7: this conversation with like Reggie Wayne who went from being

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Speaker 7: a player to coach, and nothing can prepare you for it,

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Speaker 7: to be completely honest, Well.

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Speaker 4: All I know is you need to be asking the

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Speaker 4: real questions next time you see Jeff Saturday. Okay, that's

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Speaker 4: what we need from you at ESPN, you and your

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Speaker 4: big time reporting. But jokes aside, I thought you did

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Speaker 4: a fantastic piece recently on Daniel Jones in a relationship

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Speaker 4: with David Cutcliffe, his former coach at Duke. So for

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Speaker 4: those who haven't read the story, I encourage you all

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Speaker 4: to read it now during the show of course.

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Speaker 5: At ten on one am.

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Speaker 4: But what kind of did you glean from those conversations

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Speaker 4: about how Daniel Jones is wired? Because reading it myself,

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Speaker 4: I felt like that kind of peel back some layers

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Speaker 4: that Daniel himself isn't quite willing to share.

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Speaker 7: Are you saying that Daniel Jones is not loquacious and

519
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Speaker 7: great insight in his interviews?

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Speaker 5: Look at Miami education?

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Speaker 1: What a word?

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Speaker 7: Listen private school baby, I would say, yeah, I think

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Speaker 7: I agree with that. I think that that's why we

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Speaker 7: do these kinds of these kind of stories, right, because

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Speaker 7: they give more insight, particularly when you're dealing with someone

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Speaker 7: like Daniel, who I love Daniel, like, I think he's

527
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Speaker 7: a great human being, but like he is, so he

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Speaker 7: is right, He's not going to be expansive and he's

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Speaker 7: not going to give you a lot of insight into

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Speaker 7: what's inside him. But I think what Coach Cliff did

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Speaker 7: was really I think zero in on the fact that, like,

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Speaker 7: he has the emotions that you would anticipate from a

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Speaker 7: guy who's been through ups and downs like he has.

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Speaker 7: And he said to me, he said, look, I would

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Speaker 7: never share the conversations that we had when he was

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Speaker 7: in New York, but he said, but you can probably imagine,

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Speaker 7: you know. So I think that was his way of saying,

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Speaker 7: like that.

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Speaker 2: Was really hard.

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Speaker 7: It was really hard, and despite all the money he

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Speaker 7: was making and he was making plenty of money. He

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Speaker 7: was the first round pick, he got an extension. Hey,

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Speaker 7: his bank account is doing great. But that I think

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Speaker 7: doesn't necessarily eliminate whatever emotions you experience right when you

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Speaker 7: are being ridiculed and criticized and struggling to achieve success

546
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Speaker 7: when some of it's maybe not all your fault. And

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Speaker 7: I think this season is shedding more light on that, frankly,

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Speaker 7: and so anyway, he also said Coach Cutcliffe said that

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Speaker 7: he emphasized that Daniel is really really happy right now

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Speaker 7: and that he loves it here. So our future and

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Speaker 7: the Colts working things out with Daniel for the long term,

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Speaker 7: but this is a good place for him and I

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Speaker 7: think he knows it. And he also Cutcliffe had really

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Speaker 7: high marks for Shane Stike and Jim Bob Cooter, who

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Speaker 7: he's just a really big fans of. So those were

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Speaker 7: some of the takeaways.

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Speaker 3: Steven Holder ESPN where you can find his work. Steven,

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Speaker 3: you've been on quite the run, if I must say so,

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Speaker 3: lately with some of your pieces. I would add the

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Speaker 3: carli Ers Gordon piece a few weeks back was really

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Speaker 3: really good for maybe our audience that might have missed it.

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Speaker 3: A favorite anecdote or two is you made your way

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Speaker 3: around the locker room and really got several different stories

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Speaker 3: from players in regards to Carly's presence around the organization.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think the one funny thing was Michael Pittman Junior,

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Speaker 7: who he is the antithesis of Daniel Jones, right, he

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Speaker 7: tells you everything, so which I love. I mean, that

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Speaker 7: is my guy. Like Michael Pittman is unbelievable. And he said,

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Speaker 7: he said, you know, when I was a rookie, I

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Speaker 7: was sitting in the meeting room, in the wide receiver

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Speaker 7: meeting room, and He's like, there'd be this lady in

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Speaker 7: the back of the room every day, and I just

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Speaker 7: started wondering one day, like who the hell is she?

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Speaker 7: And he said he asked one day, like a month in, like, hey,

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Speaker 7: who's that lady in the back of the room. And

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Speaker 7: they're like, yeah, that's the owner's daughter. And he was like, oh,

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Speaker 7: I better sit up straight. But what he emphasized is

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Speaker 7: that she never intervened or interrupted, I should say, and

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Speaker 7: her role was completely to be an observer. And that's

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Speaker 7: the one thing that I think everybody emphasized that we

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Speaker 7: understand this a little more locally than and nationally, but

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Speaker 7: nationally people are just becoming aware of the earth a sisters,

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Speaker 7: and seeing Carly on the sideline is really jarwring for

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Speaker 7: some people. I've heard from people in the league who

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Speaker 7: are like, why are you defending this? This is crazy?

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Speaker 7: And I've actually said to them, look, I get it,

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Speaker 7: and some years ago I probably would have felt the

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Speaker 7: same about you felt the same as they do right

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Speaker 7: having this owner on the sideline, like for who?

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Speaker 2: For what?

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Speaker 7: But once you a understand her position and why she's

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Speaker 7: doing it, and then also see that they are not

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Speaker 7: phased by it, it very clearly is is more than

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Speaker 7: just words. I know they say they're not phased by it,

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Speaker 7: but I think you can see it right. There's a

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Speaker 7: real relationship between Carly and people in the organization. They

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Speaker 7: don't feel threatened by her presence there, and it's because

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Speaker 7: of the way she handles it and handles herself. And

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Speaker 7: so it really is about just understanding and getting as

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Speaker 7: much as much background as possible. That is how you're

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Speaker 7: going to make good decisions based on what she says

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Speaker 7: and what she believes. So we'll see in the long

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Speaker 7: term if this works, but I don't think there's anything

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Speaker 7: wrong with it. I think she makes very good points,

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Speaker 7: and if they don't have a problem with it, then

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Speaker 7: I don't think we should either.

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Speaker 3: Again, Steven holders with this here on the Payless Slickers

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Speaker 3: hotline Colts and Chiefs coming up. On Sunday after noon,

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Speaker 3: Steven James shared with us a couple of numbers that

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Speaker 3: he found interesting about the Colts at this point of

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Speaker 3: the season yesterday, and one of them was the blitz

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Speaker 3: rate from lou and Arumo. James, you said, twenty two

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Speaker 3: point seven Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Yes, twenty two point seven this year. I believe last

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Speaker 4: year it was at seventeen point five, which was thirtieth

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Speaker 4: in the league. Now they're up to about fifteenth.

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Speaker 3: So definitely an uptick here in the blitzing percentage with

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Speaker 3: the Forrest Buckner out and Sauce Gardner slash Mooney Ward

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Speaker 3: potentially in how do you expect that number to shift,

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Speaker 3: if at all here moving forward?

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Speaker 7: So that is a good question. I actually I don't

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Speaker 7: have numbers to back this up per se, but but

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Speaker 7: just my recollection from I would say the first couple

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Speaker 7: of weeks of the season, when uh, when well, I

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Speaker 7: guess maybe week one even where they had they had

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Speaker 7: their their full compliment or that kind of did. I

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Speaker 7: guess they still had. They still had they still were

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Speaker 7: missing a couple of bodies, but you know they had

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Speaker 7: Kenny Moore. Mooney was out there. He was more aggressive,

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Speaker 7: I thought in the Blitz, in the in the blitz

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Speaker 7: calling early on, and then once they had more attrition

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Speaker 7: at that position, I think you started to see him

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Speaker 7: pull back. I have not seen it as much, I

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Speaker 7: think in those like I don't know that maybe that

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Speaker 7: second month of the season, I thought you started to

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Speaker 7: see him really pull back. And I do think that

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Speaker 7: it could go the other way now, I really do,

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Speaker 7: And I think you're going to start to see, you know,

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00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 7: that mad scientists maybe emerge a little more, and it

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Speaker 7: could be this weekend, right, I mean, he's he's certainly

641
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Speaker 7: had the answers against Mahomes in the past, you know,

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Speaker 7: can he do it again? We'll see. I do think

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Speaker 7: that's that's a little bit of a subplot here, because

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Speaker 7: you're gonna have to account for the loss of the

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Speaker 7: forest Buckner. I don't care if you have Sauce Gardner

646
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Speaker 7: or Dion Sanders in his prime, right, I mean, that

647
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Speaker 7: is a huge loss. We can't pretend that it's not,

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Speaker 7: and they're gonna have to confront that. So I expect

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Speaker 7: lou Anroumo to pull out all the stops here. I

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Speaker 7: think this is one of those games where it's like

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Speaker 7: he's gonna do what he has to do and they

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Speaker 7: may take some chances in this game that maybe we

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Speaker 7: haven't seen from them. So I'm very excited to see

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Speaker 7: what his game plan looks like and what wrinkles he

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Speaker 7: might bring.

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Speaker 2: This week?

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Speaker 4: Can we have Steven Holder, Colt's esper reporter, joining us

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Speaker 4: on the pay Less Lookers hotline? Steven, we've seen Alec

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Speaker 4: Pierce take another jump this year. How much money is

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Speaker 4: this man going to get on the open market? And

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Speaker 4: should the Colts just prepare to break open the bank?

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Speaker 4: As Michael Pittman Junior told us a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 7: He's getting a bag, a humongous bag. Okay, I'm telling

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Speaker 7: you now, listen, I guess we got to look at

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Speaker 7: what the market. It looks like right now, but the

666
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Speaker 7: cap goes up every year. The wide receiver market has exploded,

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Speaker 7: I think faster than just about any position other than quarterback.

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Speaker 7: I don't even know what else. Maybe that's it I'm thinking. So, yeah,

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Speaker 7: he's gonna do very well. Okay, make no mistake, And yes,

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Speaker 7: I think the Colts have maybe started to come to

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Speaker 7: terms with what is happening here. And this is what

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Speaker 7: it is, Alec Pierce. On some days it looks like

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Speaker 7: they're number one receiver, Okay. And I know that sounds

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Speaker 7: like a bold statement when the other guy's making a

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Speaker 7: lot of money and gets a lot of targets talking

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Speaker 7: about Pittman here or even Tyler Warren for that matter,

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Speaker 7: But I'm just telling you, I think he has been.

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Speaker 7: I think he's been their best receiver this year. I mean,

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Speaker 7: am I crazy? I don't think I'm Yeah, I think

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Speaker 7: he's been their best receiver. So all right, you want

681
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Speaker 7: to let that guy walk, I'm telling you, I mean,

682
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Speaker 7: listen if they If they do, he's having a tryout

683
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Speaker 7: this weekend for the Kansas City chief something, you know.

684
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Speaker 7: So that's basically what this is going to be, a

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Speaker 7: Chiefs workout for Alan Pierce. So I would I would

686
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Speaker 7: suggest that the Colts try to get something done immediately

687
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Speaker 7: after the season, if not sooner.

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Speaker 3: Sending a chill down Colts fans spines here on this

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Speaker 3: window him to the enemy.

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Speaker 7: You want to go face that, You want to go

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Speaker 7: face that for the next five years. Okay, good luck? Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and I would actually Mahomes and alec Piris good luck

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Speaker 7: with that.

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Speaker 3: Definitely go what you've said. I think he's been the

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Speaker 3: number one and honestly he possesses the hardest trait to

696
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Speaker 3: a place in my opinion, which is the deep ball element,

697
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Speaker 3: which I think is critical when you're trying to assess,

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Speaker 3: all right, are you resigning, guys, how do you kind

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Speaker 3: of build moving forward again? Colts and Chiefs back at

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Speaker 3: it here coming up, or should say Colts back to practice.

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Speaker 3: Coming up. We'll see about the status of Mooney Ward

702
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Speaker 3: and Steven's latest David Cutcliff and Daniel Jones a great

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00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: read over on ESPN. Steven will see in a few hours.

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Speaker 7: Man, Okay, see you guys.

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Speaker 3: Colts and Chiefs coming up Sunday at one o'clock. Certainly

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Speaker 3: a game that we've circled here for the last couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks, and I would assume given the deaf con

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Speaker 3: state out there in Kansas City, it's one that just

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Speaker 3: naturally has gotten circled with where they're at from a

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Speaker 3: win loss standpoint, and James Boyd we're gonna head to

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Speaker 3: the paylistickers hotline right now. I am familiar from Afar

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Speaker 3: with the work of Nate Taylor, have always admired his

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Speaker 3: work and always enjoyed his energy level when he has

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Speaker 3: hopped on our radio station. And that's where we're going

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Speaker 3: here on this Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we are Nate Taylor, former indie Star Pacers reporter

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Speaker 4: like myself, now working for ESPN covering the Chiefs.

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Speaker 5: Nate, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm fantastic, fellas. How are you guys?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm doing good. I'm fantastic as well. But I

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Speaker 4: would say for the team you're covering, they're not fantastic

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Speaker 4: right now. So is the sky falling in Kansas City?

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Speaker 4: Is this the fall? The Dynasty? Is Sunday?

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Speaker 2: Everything Sunday is really close to just about everything for

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Speaker 2: this particular group of Chiefs. It's it's fascinating, guys, because

726
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Speaker 2: I think statistically you look at a lot of the

727
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Speaker 2: metrics and they actually are better than last year's team.

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Speaker 2: As I've written and said several times this year, they

729
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: cannot win a close game like I think that's something

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Speaker 2: that has taken away from sort of the swagger, the

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Speaker 2: or whatever you want to call it for Patrick Mahomes

732
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Speaker 2: and the rest of the Chiefs, Like they're always comfortable

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Speaker 2: in close games because they're normally winning them, especially last

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Speaker 2: year when they were trying to go, you know, for

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Speaker 2: the three piece. So in Kansas City, I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are raady to push the panic button.

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Speaker 2: This is pretty much considered a must win game for

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs, who are five and five and out of

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Speaker 2: the playoff picture. Did not expect that to happen. But

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Speaker 2: at the same time, you know, the Chiefs now realize

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Speaker 2: that they can't. They don't have any margin of error

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Speaker 2: right if they actually want to like be a playoff

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Speaker 2: team and continue their dynastic run. So yeah, man, it's

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Speaker 2: if they lose Sunday, it won't necessarily surprise me, but

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Speaker 2: I do think you have to recognize how rare this

746
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: will be. Patrick Mahomes has never lost three straight games

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Speaker 2: in the regular season. This is year eight for him

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Speaker 2: as the chief starter, which makes Sunday's game like very

749
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 2: intriguing because the Colts coming off of bye week are

750
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Speaker 2: going to be plenty for the Chiefs to handle.

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Speaker 3: Nate Taylor's with us. You on the Paloss sticker shotline eight.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate the time here on this Wednesday morning. You've

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Speaker 3: covered the chief since Is it twenty eighteen? Is that right?

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Speaker 2: That's right, yep.

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Speaker 3: Every would you say the defcon level has ever been

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Speaker 3: this high?

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00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: The only other time I could think of, and that's

758
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: a very good question, is the twenty twenty one season.

759
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: Now we are much further into this season then back then.

760
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Speaker 2: But the Chiefs did start that year three and four.

761
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: I remember they were in Tennessee. This is back when

762
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 2: you know, they had Ryan Tannehill and obviously Derrick Henry

763
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: and A. J. Brown and the Titans just actually like

764
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 2: blew the doors off the Chiefs. Is probably still the

765
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: most embarrassing loss in Patrick Mahomes's career. But again, that

766
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Speaker 2: was like, hey, they're three and four, it's October, Like,

767
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: what the heck is going on? Man, We're one week

768
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Speaker 2: from Thanksgiving, and you know this team thought, okay, you know,

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Speaker 2: we may have stumbled early in the season, but as

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Speaker 2: the season goes on. One of the things that makes

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Speaker 2: Andy Reid such a successful coaches his teams traditionally get

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Speaker 2: better as the year goes along. And that just for

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Speaker 2: a number of reasons has not happened. So is there

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Speaker 2: way for the Chiefs to get back into the playoffs? Yeah,

775
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 2: it would help if they want the game against the Colts,

776
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Speaker 2: but they're going to have to actually go on a

777
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: winning streak and they've only done that once this season,

778
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Speaker 2: and they've been too much of a team that's been

779
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Speaker 2: lacking discipline focused at times. I don't know if I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, people in Indianapolis realize this, but like the

781
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: Colts are a more disciplined team than the Chiefs, and

782
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: that might be hard to wrap your mind around, but

783
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Speaker 2: that's the case. And the Colts actually have a more

784
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: balanced offense than Kansas City, even though the Chiefs have

785
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 2: plenty of talent on their rosters. So it hasn't been

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Speaker 2: as bad in a long time. And you could really

787
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Speaker 2: start to suggest that maybe this is what the Super

788
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: Bowl hangover truly looks like. Even for as great of

789
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Speaker 2: a team as the Chiefs have been over the last

790
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 2: against seven seasons, they've never had a season quite like this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is I'm looking at their losses this year

792
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Speaker 4: and all five of them are by single digits.

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Speaker 5: That is.

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Speaker 4: Want me with the one possession games like you said, yep,

795
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Speaker 4: to go back to a point you made just a

796
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Speaker 4: second ago. As far as the Colts being more disciplined

797
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 4: than the Chiefs, how formidable. On the other side, does

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00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: this Coast team feel compared to years past? I know

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Speaker 4: they don't face each other every year, but from afar

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Speaker 4: looking at you know, the Colts have the numer one

801
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 4: offense in the NFL, They've got Daniel Jones, and you're

802
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: playing pretty good football John Taylor as an MVP candidate.

803
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: So from that perspective, what are some of the feelings

804
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 4: about this team that is, on one hand, resurging while

805
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: the Chiefs are trying to stay on top.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think James, this is a this is a

807
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: fascinating team, right because outside of that one game in

808
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and I remember watching it, Hey, if you guys

809
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: don't turn the football over again, Like I said, pretty disciplined.

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00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: We all know what happened in Los Angeles with the

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Speaker 2: you know, Adie Mitchell, who's not even on the team

812
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: or so like they're losses are very easy to understand,

813
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: which I think is so fascinating and so funny about

814
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: people here in KNC that are like how can we

815
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: lose every close game that's been possible? Like, you know,

816
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Speaker 2: you can't go from like winning every game one year

817
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: to like losing every close game the next year. If now,

818
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: you know, everybody will say, here, okay, do we really

819
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: trust the Colts because we have not seen it in

820
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: January yet? And I guess that's a fair question to ask,

821
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Speaker 2: because you know, Daniel Jones has not made it to

822
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Speaker 2: like a conference championship game. But I do get the

823
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Speaker 2: sense that in terms of MVP candidates, it's really Jonvin

824
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Speaker 2: Taylor and or you know, Matthew Stafford in LA. It

825
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 2: really is like pick your flavor, Like what do you

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Speaker 2: preference more. I would tend to give the upper handed

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor just because he's been so remarkable this season

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Speaker 2: and it's been nice to see the Colts realize that, like, hey,

829
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Speaker 2: maybe we shouldn't antagonize our best player. That would be cool,

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Speaker 2: Like that would be really nice. We just like gave

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Speaker 2: him the ball and let him, you know, be awesome.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs have done a decent job stopping the run,

833
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: but I think the game plan really comes down to

834
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Speaker 2: Ken Steevez, facnel Low and the Chiefs defense get any

835
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Speaker 2: pressure on Daniel Jones. That's been their biggest issue this

836
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: year on defense, is Hey, outside of Chris Sharons, they

837
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: really don't have that many guys who can just win

838
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: one on one to get to the passer, which means

839
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: you have to blitz, which means most teams now are

840
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: starting to get comfortable when the Chiefs blitz because they

841
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: can anticipate and they can prepare for it. You know,

842
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: if Daniel Jones feels comfortable, the Coat will probably score

843
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: the high twenties, maybe even into the thirties. Of course,

844
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Speaker 2: like you said there, they're you know, the highest scoring

845
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: team in the NFL, which this is gonna have to

846
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: be probably like a shootout that that Shefs don't necessarily

847
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: feel comfortable playing in because again, when it's gotten down

848
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: to winning time in the fourth quarter like we saw

849
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: on Sunday, Patrick Mahomes and the offense has not delivered

850
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Speaker 2: in the ways they've done in the past.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Nate Taylor's with a Hey area used to cover

852
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: the pacers for the Indianapolis Starnay Taylor, is there an

853
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: establishment here in Indy that you perhaps Smiths. I know

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00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: it's been a while since you've probably called Indie home.

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00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I do like calling that my second home,

856
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: because again, those those those years that I covered the

857
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: Pacers were really fun. If people don't remember, it was

858
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: the it was the I caught the very end of

859
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: the Paul George, Larry Bird, Frank Vogel era right, And

860
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: so I still watched the team. Last year was again

861
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: a legitimate joy ride that was kind of Shakespeare and

862
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 2: how tragic it was for Game seven and and Halliburton's injury.

863
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: I love kil Roy. That's never gonna change. It's one

864
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: of the things to the sticks. Yeah, of course I

865
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: have to get when I come to Indy for the Combine.

866
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: And I've been one of the people who's been very

867
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: vocal about like, don't you ever take the combine away

868
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: from Indianapolis? Are you guys crazy? Uh, It's one of

869
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: my favorite times of the year because you can usually

870
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: get a PA Racers game. They're usually home for one

871
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: of those days in the week that we are, you know,

872
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: covering the Combine. And yeah, I just love I love

873
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: the atmosphere of kill Roy's and but it's still represents

874
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. So I'm just very like

875
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: easy going when it comes to like you know, having

876
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: a good time, having food, having friends involved. So yeah,

877
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: I I tell you, guys, I it's been rough. I

878
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: can't watch this team. And it's not their fault.

879
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: I was going to say, you need some kill Roy's

880
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: breadsticks and maybe whatever's on the bottom shelf of the

881
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: liquor over there to get you through the season.

882
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: Man. And you know, the last guy that and I

883
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: did feel somewhat of a connection obviously. You know, it

884
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: was sad to see, you know, Nancy no longer being

885
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: with us, you know, it was it was cool to

886
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: know that, like at least one guy that I covered

887
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: on that team, mouth Turner, was still a part of

888
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: the Pacers Cores. And then of course he is now

889
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: a member of the Waukee Bucks. So it's a different era.

890
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: But I'm not you know, they are basically my NBA

891
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: team because we don't have one here in the city.

892
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, like this team, man, I mean needs some

893
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: miss injury. It's just like, come on. So yeah, it's

894
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: it's it's rough, but hey, the Cults are back up,

895
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: and who knows, man, I think if the Colts win

896
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: this game on Sunday, there's a strong case we made

897
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: that they can be the one seed, And I know

898
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: there's all the sort of speculation about like, hey, if

899
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: you could just give Daniel Chelles a nice, cool environment

900
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 2: in a dome to get you to the super Bowl,

901
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: it would be pretty uh, pretty you know, appetizing. I

902
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: do love the idea that like this is kind of

903
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: a swing game for both teams, Like the Coats can

904
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: really start thinking about the one seed that they win

905
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: on Sunday, and for the Chiefs it's like, hey, if

906
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: we win, we could actually get our acts together. Hey,

907
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: maybe we should start doing that. Maybe we should like

908
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: share for the next seven weeks if we actually want

909
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: to be in the playoffs. And you know, the only

910
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 2: thing that you know, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Christ Jones, Andyy,

911
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: all they care about is just getting to January that

912
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: they have another chance to you know, pursue a super Bowl.

913
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: But you've got to earn the right to get there,

914
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: and it would be nice. I think for a lot

915
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: of Chiefs fans that they say, hey, if you can

916
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: beat a team that's what is it eight and two

917
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: right now? If you can beat a team that's eight

918
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: and two, man, get your act together. And so it's

919
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: a cool swing game, as we get towards the latter

920
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 2: third of the season.

921
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 3: It's a really good way to put it. If you

922
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: had thrown out these storylines, you know, back in August,

923
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: you'd say, oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, a team playing

924
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 3: for the one seed, yeah, Kansas City, a team fighting

925
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: to stay in playoff relevancy, yeah, Indianapolis. And now it's

926
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: been reversed here with how this season has played out. Snate,

927
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: get you some breadsticks in February when you're here late February,

928
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: early March. Yeah, and as always, man, we enjoyed the combo.

929
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah anytime, philis, thank you