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Speaker 1: the two of you has the prowess to answer it correctly.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, Scott from Fieldhouse Files joins us now in

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Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and Port guest line. Java house

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Speaker 1: dot com is the website Jake twenty five the code

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Speaker 1: bundle of peel and poor pods. It is so simple.

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Speaker 1: You peel and put them an eight ounces of water

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Speaker 1: instant beverage, the amazingly smooth Colombian, the Wrangler Energy and

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Speaker 1: Just use the fan in the search bar when you

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Speaker 1: go to Java house dot com to see what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about. All right, Scott, are you ready for the

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Speaker 1: trivia question regarding the pacers that I can ask to

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Speaker 1: both you and Eddie and you have to not think

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Speaker 2: Are you ready?

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Speaker 4: And by the way, Sunday, I stopped by the broad.

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Speaker 3: Ripple location of Java House.

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Speaker 2: I was there too. What time were you there?

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Speaker 1: Would you like to guess first or second on this? Oh, Scott,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do this card Sharks fashion, do you guys?

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Speaker 2: Either one of you guys remember the show Card Sharks,

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Speaker 1: In Card Sharks, they would present a scenario and the

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Speaker 2: Go twenty one, Eddie, twenty six, Eddie.

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Speaker 1: So sorry your explanation please, Eddie, I'm just taking a

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Speaker 1: four players have scored for the Pacers this year. Twenty

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Speaker 1: four players. Wait, we're not doing prices right style.

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Speaker 1: so price is right style. Scott wins twenty four players. Scott,

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Speaker 2: Did he not?

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Speaker 3: Yes? But nobody thought it was looking like this, Jake,

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Speaker 4: There's you know, on the road, they've they're four and twelve.

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Speaker 3: He was the leading scorer in the game.

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Speaker 4: He's not just dealing Jake with one injury, but quietly

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Speaker 3: All right, Absolutely, Happy new Year to you guys.

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Speaker 1: Take an umbrella. I'm telling you, Scot. By the way, Scott,

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Speaker 3: No, this is the first time for all of that experience.

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Speaker 1: Take a seat, cushion and an umbrella, but it's awesome,

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Speaker 1: ball programs and everything else with some guy whose pocket's

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00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: getting fatter and fatter and fatter, and he's convinced that

438
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Speaker 1: if he facilitates for five hundred kids, one of them

439
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: might get to the NBA and someday he'll be interviewed

440
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Speaker 1: on a thirty for thirty while kicking back his royalties.

441
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Speaker 1: That's exactly how ninety percent of this works. And I

442
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: know that sounds ludicrous, but I'm realistic, Rick, and there's

443
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Speaker 1: a reason I'm bringing this all up. Okay, Now, I

444
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: could look at a right now. You show it to me.

445
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: It's the funniest thing in the world. I see it

446
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: on Facebook and social media all day long, bunch of

447
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: kids holding up their rings at some tournament out in

448
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: Las Vegas or in Cincinnati or whatever, some AAU team,

449
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: and you look at the photo and you're like, I

450
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: can absolutely tell the one kid who's dad, he's on

451
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: the team because his dad's bankrolling this whole thing. You

452
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: can absolutely tell it. The four foot ten kid that

453
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: weighs sixty four pounds, Like, that kid's on the team

454
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: because his dad is the one that is convincing his

455
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: wife that they need to be paying for this, because

456
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Speaker 1: his kid's gonna get his shot someday to go play

457
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: big time Division one sports. Guess what dominant seventh grade,

458
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Speaker 1: dominant second grade, third grade, fourth grade, fifth grade kids,

459
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Speaker 1: you know what, most of them grow up to be

460
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: nice backup JV point guards. Because then everybody else goes

461
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: through puberty and it all evens out. And the same

462
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: thing happens in college recruiting because all these players now

463
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: they no longer are represented by they play for Lawrence

464
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Speaker 1: North or Warren Central or North Central or Brownsburg or

465
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Speaker 1: Ben David or Rebuff. Now it is they play for

466
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: you know, Indie Heat or Ohio Elite or whatever the

467
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: AAU programs are. And it's the AAU coaches again trying

468
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: to get that pocket that right. It's the AAU coaches

469
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: that are selling and over selling these guys as being

470
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Speaker 1: bigger and better than what they are, and they are

471
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Speaker 1: convincing all of these kids that they are going to

472
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Speaker 1: be NBA or g League or European Professional League players,

473
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Speaker 1: and the reality is that like one percent of all

474
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Speaker 1: players reach that point and they're still at its core

475
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Speaker 1: should be those players that college athletics allows for a player,

476
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Speaker 1: whether he is a player from rural America, whether he's

477
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Speaker 1: a player from inner city America, whether he's a kid

478
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Speaker 1: from suburban America, a kid who gets the opportunity to

479
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Speaker 1: advance his education and his worldly experience in doing so,

480
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: perhaps financially in a situation otherwise would not be afforded

481
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Speaker 1: to him or her, And those are the ones that

482
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Speaker 1: this potentially is going to hurt, because what happens if

483
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now you are becoming essentially nothing

484
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: but a G league and you are doing it with

485
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: just one year rentals, over and over and over, facilitated

486
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: by greasy AAU funded money, funneling, channeling, sponsorships and all

487
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: of that, and now all of a sudden, you're losing

488
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Speaker 1: sight of what the true purpose of the college experience

489
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Speaker 1: should be. And it sounds ridiculous except for you realize

490
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Speaker 1: that ninety eight percent of players playing in college basketball

491
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: are never going to be in a situation where their

492
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Speaker 1: livelihood has changed because of the game and playing it

493
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Speaker 1: beyond the age of twenty two, and Matt Painter is

494
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: well aware of that fact.

495
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Speaker 6: We got to keep fighting for the ones that aren't

496
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Speaker 6: pros because you end up being a pro and you

497
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 6: get yourself in that position. But when you go look statistically,

498
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 6: ninety four ninety five percent of all pros have to

499
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 6: get another job, so we should probably fight for them too.

500
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 6: You know, making it isn't going to the NBA. You know,

501
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 6: making it is just being the best version of yourself

502
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 6: and helping other people like that's making it, Like and

503
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 6: so we get lost in this little world we're in

504
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,239
Speaker 6: when in reality, like, let's don't lose that train of

505
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 6: thought about doing what's best for them. But it's getting

506
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 6: really hard quit with the landscape we're in right now.

507
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Speaker 2: I go back to.

508
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Speaker 1: One of the best lines I've ever seen while sitting

509
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Speaker 1: in a movie theater, and like, I literally I stopped.

510
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: And there have been great lines in movie history. Hope

511
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: is a good thing, perhaps the best of things. It's

512
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Speaker 1: a great line, great line, There's just one thing I

513
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Speaker 1: want you to do for me?

514
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Speaker 2: When? When? What are we waiting for?

515
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: It's a great line from Rocky Too. It's a great line, endless,

516
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: but one of the great lines I've ever heard. And

517
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a movie but a documentary, was in Hoop

518
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Speaker 1: Dreams with William Gates, who I've mentioned on this show before,

519
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: when they followed William Gates and Arthur ag both kids

520
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: my class class of nineteen ninety one in high school,

521
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: and they followed him for all four years of high school,

522
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: through their journey in the Chicago public schools and in Gates' case,

523
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: going into the parochial schools in Saint Joseph in Westchester, Illinois.

524
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Speaker 1: Same school that produced Isaiah Thomas and Darryl Thomas of

525
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: Indiana fame, and both of them were thought to be

526
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Speaker 1: surefire NBA level players. And at the end of that

527
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 1: documentary they interview William Gates, who went under Marquette, had

528
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Speaker 1: a knee injury, had a modest career in college. They

529
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Speaker 1: get ended their for him from a playing standpoint, and

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Speaker 1: he says in that documentary, everywhere I go, everyone says

531
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Speaker 1: to me the same thing, don't forget about me when

532
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Speaker 1: you get to the NBA. And then he paused and said,

533
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: and what I want to say back to them is,

534
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: don't forget about me if I don't get there. And

535
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Speaker 1: every kid right now playing somewhere in the summer league

536
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: is convinced, as they probably should be, that the game

537
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: is always going to be there for them. And we

538
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: used to live in a world where there were people

539
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: who knew better that were able to say to them, son, daughter,

540
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: I want you to chase those dreams and aspirations, but

541
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Speaker 1: I want you to also have something in store if

542
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: in fact that isn't there for you. And the avenue

543
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: in which those things used to be there for people,

544
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Speaker 1: Matt Painter and others now are aware of the fact

545
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Speaker 1: that what if that also goes away, and that's the

546
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Speaker 1: real danger of where college basketball may be. Again, not

547
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Speaker 1: trying to be pessimistic, Pete, just realistic.

548
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Speaker 2: Rick. We went with this. Here's a contribute question for

549
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Speaker 2: Stephen Holder.

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Speaker 1: Stephenholder of ESPN dot com who joins us on the

551
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Speaker 1: Java House, Peel and Port guest line.

552
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: He is the one that.

553
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: Was responsible for confirming the news that Riley Leonard will

554
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: be your starting quarterback for the final game of the

555
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: season for the Colts coming up on Sunday. Stephen, would

556
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Speaker 1: you like to guess why we went with the Ghetto

557
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: Boys as our artist of choice today?

558
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: Hmmm?

559
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: Ah?

560
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 7: Is this the Houston connection?

561
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Speaker 2: Look at the big brain on Steve. Yes.

562
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 7: Yes, listen, listen, Scarface the greatest Houston. I mean when

563
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 7: you say Houston, you're saying the homeless Scarface as far

564
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Speaker 7: as I'm concerned, but you know that might just be me.

565
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Speaker 2: Listen. I love the song Scarf. Love the song Scarface.

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Speaker 1: And the other day, actually, we were driving in the car,

567
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Speaker 1: not that anybody cares, I canna tell you anyway, and

568
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm driving. Shannon's in the pastor seat and she says

569
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: is this that song where you do that ridiculous duck

570
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: down again when the gunfire happens.

571
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Speaker 2: I said, yes, as a matter of fact, it is.

572
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Speaker 1: It's an entire it's an entire routine that happens when

573
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Speaker 1: you ride in the car with me. I can tell

574
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Speaker 1: you that right now.

575
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Speaker 2: Okay.

576
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Speaker 1: So speaking of that, Steven, we now know that, in

577
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Speaker 1: fact at the driver's wheel with his hands on the

578
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: wheel will be Riley Leonard for the Colts coming up

579
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Speaker 1: on Sunday. What does this mean both in the short

580
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Speaker 1: term and then beyond crazy? Is that sounds and hear

581
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Speaker 1: me out on this for philip rivers.

582
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Speaker 7: Okay, Well, I'll take the second part first. In terms

583
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Speaker 7: of philip rivers long term. For philip Rivers, as we

584
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Speaker 7: sit here today, there is no long term Okay, let

585
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Speaker 7: me be clear about that. I sense no inclination from

586
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Speaker 7: him to give this any further consideration, and I certainly

587
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 7: don't hear that from the Colts. In fact, you know,

588
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 7: they don't ever want to be in this position ever

589
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 7: again where they have to call Philip rivers. So you know,

590
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Speaker 7: I want to I want people to kind of understand

591
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Speaker 7: it from that perspective, like it wasn't you know it

592
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 7: would be a great idea, let's go get Philip Rivers

593
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 7: because we think he's a great option. It was more like,

594
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Speaker 7: we don't have any options. We might have to call

595
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Speaker 7: Philip Rivers. You understand that, Like those are two different things,

596
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Speaker 7: you know. So anyhow, that's where that stands in terms

597
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Speaker 7: of what it means to Riley Leonard. I think it's

598
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Speaker 7: an opportunity. It's what it is. It's an opportunity. It's

599
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Speaker 7: a tough spot, no question about it. I mean that

600
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Speaker 7: Houston defense is it is super Bowl caliber, there's no

601
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 7: question about it. And they come for the quarterback, buddy.

602
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 7: So he's going to get a test under fire and

603
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 7: it is going to be a I guess baptism under

604
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 7: fire if you will. And he just better be ready,

605
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 7: that's all I can say. He better be ready, and

606
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 7: it might be ugly, it might not go according to

607
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 7: the plan. I don't think any of that is necessarily

608
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 7: an awful thing, because you know, he could be their

609
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 7: long term backup if he proves worthy of it. And

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Speaker 7: so that's kind of where that stands.

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Speaker 2: Stephen. Didn't they find themselves in.

612
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Speaker 1: Or is there some truth to this thought that I

613
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: had from earlier, and that is Chris Ballard and Shane

614
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Speaker 1: Steiken needed to start Riley Leonard on Sunday for the

615
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Speaker 1: reasons that you mentioned, but at the same time also

616
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Speaker 1: because at some point, you know, Shane Stiken is the

617
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: quarterback whisper and Chris Ballard is hired to judge, assess

618
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: and then acquire talent coming out of the draft out

619
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Speaker 1: of college. They are getting ready potentially to go in

620
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Speaker 1: for end of your meetings. Don't they need to be

621
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Speaker 1: able to say, wouldn't it not have been an indictment

622
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: in a totally meaningless game for them to not have

623
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Speaker 1: gone with a guy that is, to some extent the

624
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: reason why they should have that job validation?

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I just think for consistency's sake, you

626
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 7: kind of had to do this. And what I mean

627
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 7: by that is the stated objective when you signed Philip

628
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 7: Rivers was we are doing this to make a run

629
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Speaker 7: at the playoffs. Now that didn't work, but I understand it,

630
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Speaker 7: and I actually don't hold that decision against them, right,

631
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Speaker 7: I think it makes sense now now that they are

632
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Speaker 7: out of playoff contention. I think if you, if you

633
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Speaker 7: want to be consistent, that goal that Carrot is no

634
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 7: longer out there, so there's nothing to prohibit you from

635
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 7: playing the player that you drafted. But Sunday, well this

636
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 7: past Sunday, Well yeah, that's fair. But I would say

637
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Speaker 7: this they said ahead of time.

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Speaker 2: I get it, but.

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Speaker 7: You can you can accept the explanation or not. But

640
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 7: the thinking was they wouldn't know they were eliminated until

641
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 7: Saturday night, and by then it's too late to go

642
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 7: back and change what you've done all week. In terms

643
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 7: of preparation, you would be putting Riley Leonard out there

644
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Speaker 7: without the adequate preparation.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 7: Okay, well, look, I mean I get I get.

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Speaker 2: Why, I get the explanation. I'm not saying I buy it.

648
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I'm not saying you I

649
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Speaker 2: mean because my thought on that is yeah, but.

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Speaker 7: They put Phillip although it is true, it is true

651
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Speaker 7: that Rivers did take the snatch, but go ahead.

652
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Speaker 1: Well, but I mean what I'm saying is, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's water under the bridge now. But with the

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Speaker 1: explanation of we have to go with Rivers because that's

655
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Speaker 1: who we used in the weak preparation, I get that.

656
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Speaker 1: But then at the same time they went with Rivers

657
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Speaker 1: three days after he was coaching a high school team.

658
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like it wasn't like he

659
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Speaker 1: was there leading.

660
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Speaker 7: Up because he has he's uniquely prepared to do.

661
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Speaker 1: That understood, I understand, but rather than it has been

662
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Speaker 1: in the building all year.

663
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Speaker 2: I mean, but regardless, So I.

664
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Speaker 7: Would say I would just say this in closing on

665
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Speaker 7: this point, I do think there is at least some

666
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Speaker 7: recognition that, look, Philip Rivers came and did us a favor.

667
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Speaker 2: Oh totally, I get it.

668
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Speaker 1: And he did a good I mean, let's I know

669
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Speaker 1: they didn't win the games, all things considered, he did

670
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Speaker 1: a good job, no question. And he's a very likable

671
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Speaker 1: guy and all of those things. The reason I asked

672
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Speaker 1: about him beyond this year, crazy as it sounds, when

673
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Speaker 1: I look at next year, it is my opinion their

674
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Speaker 1: best option at quarterback next year is Daniel Jones. But

675
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Speaker 1: he's not under contract. Let's say that he has resigned.

676
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Speaker 1: You don't know for certain that he is going to

677
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Speaker 1: be one hundred percent and up to speed ready to

678
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Speaker 1: go in Week one. What quarterback on their roster gives

679
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Speaker 1: them the best chance to win until Daniel Jones is

680
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Speaker 1: able to take the keys and also has the least

681
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Speaker 1: messy transition of power.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's an important part of the question, I think

683
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Speaker 7: that last part, so I think the answer, Well, let

684
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Speaker 7: let's back up, let's address it this way. Here's what

685
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Speaker 7: I think is probably going to happen.

686
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Speaker 3: How about that.

687
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Speaker 7: I think the likeliest way forward here is, as you said,

688
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 7: that they intend very very strongly too, or their preferences

689
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Speaker 7: very strongly, to re sign Daniel Jones, get him healthy.

690
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 7: They have already sort of latched on to the Aaron

691
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Speaker 7: Rodgers story, and I'm pretty sure that Daniel has been

692
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Speaker 7: in touch with Rogers, you know, to kind of get

693
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Speaker 7: some advice from him on how he bounced back from

694
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Speaker 7: his achilles in such short order, which he did do.

695
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Speaker 7: He didn't play great coming off of it, but he

696
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 7: did come back pretty quickly. Now, Daniel's ten years younger,

697
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 7: so that helps. Anyhow, they think of a duplication of

698
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Speaker 7: that as possible. So let's say they're right. Let's say,

699
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 7: which they can't possibly know now, but let's say they're right,

700
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Speaker 7: you get them back. There is that chance that he

701
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Speaker 7: might not be fully ready to go on day one.

702
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Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson is under contract for next year. The reality

703
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Speaker 7: is they moved on from Anthony Richardson. They didn't say that,

704
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 7: but I'm saying that. But they all said it with

705
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 7: their They said it with their with their actions. I

706
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Speaker 7: anticipate he gets traded. So if that remains true, I

707
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Speaker 7: think they are grooming Riley Leonard to probably be a

708
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Speaker 7: long term backup. And you have Daniel Jones and Riley Leonard.

709
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Speaker 7: That's what I see happening.

710
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Speaker 2: What would Richardson realistically fetch on the market?

711
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Speaker 7: Not a ton and because there's some uncertainty with him, right,

712
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Speaker 7: I mean injury performance, all of that for sure.

713
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Speaker 2: But but I think there's.

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Speaker 7: Gonna be I don't think there's gonna be a lack

715
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Speaker 7: of interest, but I'd also don't think teams are gonna

716
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Speaker 7: be willing to give up the house.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 7: I think there's there's two different questions. What seems to

719
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Speaker 7: be interested? I think, yes, this is not a great

720
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Speaker 7: quarterback class in the NFL draft. I don't know what

721
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Speaker 7: free agency looks like, but it's probably not great depending

722
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Speaker 7: on who falls out of the trees. So I anticipate

723
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Speaker 7: there will be teams interested in looking at him in

724
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Speaker 7: some capacity. But you know, but what are you going

725
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Speaker 7: to What are you going to get in terms of

726
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Speaker 7: a draft pick. I think it's probably a mid round pick,

727
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Speaker 7: is what I think. Could you get a little more

728
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Speaker 7: if there are multiple suitors, Yes, but I'm not talking about,

729
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Speaker 7: you know, some sort of like Day one or two pick.

730
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Speaker 7: I mean I think you're maybe a couple of mid

731
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Speaker 7: round picks or something like that. I mean, if you

732
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Speaker 7: got a third round pick, you would be thrilled, I

733
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Speaker 7: feel to be completely honest. So I don't think people

734
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Speaker 7: should have unrealistic expectations about that. The trade, in my opinion,

735
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Speaker 7: would be more about, you know, just moving forward with

736
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Speaker 7: Daniel Jones and honestly accommodating Anthony Richardson, who, if he's

737
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Speaker 7: not going to get the job, isn't going to want

738
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Speaker 7: to be here.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Stephen that the uncertainty Stephen Holder my

740
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Speaker 1: guest ESPN dot com, he's on the job, a house peeling,

741
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Speaker 1: poor guest line. When you try to assess, and we'll

742
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Speaker 1: begin with Chris in trying to determine whether or not

743
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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard returns next year, is there a bigger uncertainty

744
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Speaker 1: of answer because of the validity of which case you

745
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: could spell out either side of it, or because simply

746
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Speaker 1: we just don't know yet the motivations and the workings

747
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Speaker 1: and the operating procedures of Carli Orsi Gordon.

748
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Speaker 2: So we don't know.

749
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Speaker 7: I think on that second point, we don't know entirely

750
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Speaker 7: what to expect from her. However, I do think we

751
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 7: have some pretty good clues. I mean, some of which

752
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Speaker 7: she has told us and some of which we just

753
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Speaker 7: know from observing her, or at least me from observing her,

754
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Speaker 7: and not just this year, for many years observing Carli Gordon, right,

755
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Speaker 7: I mean, she didn't just parachute in, you know, six

756
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Speaker 7: months ago. She's been around for many, many years. I

757
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Speaker 7: would say that the thing about her is is very

758
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Speaker 7: very methodical. That is the thing that I think I

759
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 7: think encapsulated her best. You know, she she is methodical

760
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Speaker 7: in terms of what she says, in terms of what

761
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Speaker 7: she does, in terms of the decisions that she makes,

762
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Speaker 7: all of these things. So I don't think this is

763
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Speaker 7: going to be something where she makes an emotional decision.

764
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Speaker 7: We lost six or seven in a row. I'm over it,

765
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Speaker 7: Get out of here, right, That's not what this is

766
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Speaker 7: going to be. Whatsoever, I can guarantee you that I

767
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Speaker 7: will also guarantee you that she has thought and plotted

768
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Speaker 7: and considered what the next moves would be, depending on

769
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Speaker 7: what comes next, what are the subsequent moves. All of

770
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Speaker 7: that has been considered down to a very granular level,

771
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Speaker 7: because that's who she is. So whatever she decides, not

772
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Speaker 7: everyone is going to agree with it, but I will

773
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Speaker 7: tell you it will be well thought out.

774
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Speaker 2: And I would say that.

775
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Speaker 7: As much as I respect the jim irsay a lot,

776
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 7: but I do think we have evidence that he sometimes

777
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 7: made rash decisions, right. I mean, Jeff Saturday wasn't inter

778
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Speaker 7: room coach. I would venture to say, Carli Ersa. Gordon

779
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Speaker 7: would never ever, ever ever do that, right. So I

780
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Speaker 7: just think that's where they're different. She will not make

781
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Speaker 7: emotional decisions. She will make rational decisions and methodical decisions,

782
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Speaker 7: whereas her father thought a little more with his heart

783
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Speaker 7: I think.

784
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Speaker 2: Than his head.

785
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Speaker 1: Okay, Stephen, before we let you go, Now, we've had

786
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Speaker 1: this intermittently.

787
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Speaker 2: We've had fun with it.

788
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Speaker 1: We've got a chipmunk that's quite frankly empetomized that runs

789
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Speaker 1: our computer. We got a chipmunk that he runs on

790
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: a wheel and it runs our computer. Force but occasionally

791
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: we believe he's hitting the met pipe and he starts

792
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: running too fast and it speeds things up.

793
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: So your voice is a little sped up here.

794
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: Now we've had fun with others doing follow the Yellbrick

795
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: Road and a couple of Alvin and the Chipmunks things.

796
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: You sound a little like Mickey Mouse right now. Is

797
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: there any chance we can just get you to say

798
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: you're in Mickey's funhouse? This is Mickey Mouse on the fan.

799
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: Can we just get you to say that, and just

800
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: in your normal voice? But I think it'll take care

801
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Speaker 1: of itself.

802
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 7: All right, let me try this here with a straight face.

803
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 7: What's the one?

804
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: How about simply how about simply m I c k

805
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: e y You're in Mickey's funhouse.

806
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: That'll work.

807
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 7: M I c k e y You're in Mickey's funhouse

808
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 7: or playhouse.

809
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: Trust me, either way it works. Believe you me.

810
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: When you go back and you listen to the podcast,

811
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: which I know you do, either one works, I believe

812
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: believe me. Okay, Colts Texan's coming up Sunday. Lastly, before

813
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: we let you go, you know, and we'll get into

814
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: it a later time. More on Ballard and stichen In

815
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: futures and that kind of thing, saying, would you and

816
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: I guess a two part question, any other curve balls

817
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: we might see on Sunday and then certainty of the

818
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: future of the franchise we will know better how long

819
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: after the game.

820
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Speaker 7: M So, now, I don't know that there are any

821
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 7: huge curveballs outside of outside of Leonard. I mean, I

822
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 7: think you're gonna see guys like Jonathan Taylor play, you know,

823
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 7: most of the other key players who are not hurt.

824
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Speaker 7: I mean, I can't imagine seeing the sauce Gardener out there,

825
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 7: for example, he's got the calf uh and wants to

826
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 7: try to play maybe if he can, But I can't

827
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 7: see what the point of that would be. So I think, yeah,

828
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Speaker 7: I think we can kind of predict what the lineup

829
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Speaker 7: will look like outside of Leonard in terms of the

830
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 7: time frame after that. That's a that's a complete unknown,

831
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Speaker 7: complete unknown. I will say, I do think it was

832
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 7: notable that last year Jim Mercy say put out that

833
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 7: statement literally the night of the season finale, right after

834
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Speaker 7: during that snowstorm that I got caught in. If you're

835
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 7: a call after the Week eighteen game, you put out

836
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Speaker 7: that the statement that he was retaining Chris Ballad and

837
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Speaker 7: Shane Stiken, and so there was no you know, there

838
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 7: was no consternation about that. Whether they will proceed similarly,

839
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Speaker 7: I don't know. I have no expectation whatsoever, because there's

840
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 7: nothing to base it on. So I do think though,

841
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 7: I will say I do think whatever they're going to do,

842
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 7: you have to think they know, you know what I mean,

843
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 7: Like this thing, we were headed this way for a while,

844
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 7: We lived and headed this way for a while. And

845
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 7: so in terms of this season, the results of this season, right,

846
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 7: I know, they just got eliminated, but the odds we

847
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 7: were always against them, right, and so and I don't

848
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 7: even think that's what this is going to come down to.

849
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Speaker 7: I think this is a long term decision based on

850
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 7: a preponderance of lots of different things. So we'll see

851
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 7: what they do. But I think they I think they

852
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 7: probably have a very good idea of where this is going.

853
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Speaker 1: You know, preponderance is a really big word for Mickey Mouse.

854
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you like it's which is

855
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: kind of fun. Can we just one last time, how

856
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: about this just simply go m I C K E

857
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: Y m O U S E can we get that

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Speaker 1: real quick.

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Speaker 7: Why are you doing this to me? Uh m I

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Speaker 7: c K E y M O U s E.

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Speaker 2: I W.

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00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 7: I worked for Hey, listen, I worked for the Mouse Company.

863
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: Right, you're obligated, Steven, You have no choice, right, your

864
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: empowered you?

865
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 7: Why the hell did I do that?

866
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: Hearing Mickey use profanity is also outstanding? All right, Steven,

867
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: appreciate it? All right? You got it, Stephen Steven Holder.

868
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Speaker 1: Uh and by the way, his Miami Hurricanes now representing

869
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: the world as they take on the Ohio State University.

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00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: California, indeed the place to be.

871
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: Don Fisher was on with us earlier said that it

872
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: is overcast there, but that is not necessarily a bad

873
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: thing because I do believe, and I know that I'm

874
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: probably crazy when I say this, if it is a

875
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: rain soaked Rose Bowl, and I don't know that it's

876
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: supposed to rain during the game itself, but I think

877
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: all leading up to it, I think rain may favor

878
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: Indiana because Alabama does not run the ball well, which

879
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: is weird to say about Alabama, but they are a

880
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: past first team and that might be advantage Indiana, who

881
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: feels like they are more balanced offensively. But a guy

882
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Speaker 1: who joins us now on the Java House peelaporg guest line.

883
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884
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Speaker 1: with two four seven twenty four to seven sports, whichever

885
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: way you would like to use that numerical combination. Matt

886
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Weaver joining us on the program, and Matt, you are

887
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: on your way to Pasadena?

888
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

889
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 4: Yeah?

890
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 8: I'm in a terminal b here at the airport. I'm

891
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 8: gonna be bored in about twenty three minutes.

892
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: Okay, you are flying direct or you're going through a city,

893
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: and if it's through a city, we're going to guess it.

894
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: Or are you flying direct?

895
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 8: I'm actually going through two cities. One of them I

896
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 8: don't get off the plane. One of them I don't

897
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 8: get off the plane.

898
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: So you're flying southwest? Is that right? Yeah? I'm going

899
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 2: to go that. You're going through Dallas and Vegas.

900
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 8: You got the second one right, but not the first one.

901
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: Where's the first one?

902
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 8: Phoenix?

903
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: And you're not getting off the plane in Phoenix? Or

904
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: you're not getting off the plane in Vegas.

905
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 8: I'm not getting off the plane in Phoenix like a

906
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 8: forty minute layover. I'm guessing some people will get off

907
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 8: and some people will get on here or there, then

908
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 8: why do they get that fifteen minute layover and then

909
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 8: from there to.

910
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: Lay All right, fair enough, There's nothing more sad, by

911
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: the way than the lady with a one ten slim

912
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: cigarette of which one hundred of it is ash that

913
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: is sitting there pulling like three levers and the vay

914
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: I guess airport during her twenty eight minute delay. But nonetheless,

915
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: all right, Matt, let's get to this Indiana Alabama, the

916
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, from an Indiana standpoint.

917
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: Let's start with health.

918
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: We talked about this with Don a little bit earlier,

919
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: but the latest of where things stand from Indiana from

920
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: a health standpoint, and is there anybody surprising that might

921
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: have popped up on the injury report that is of

922
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: question for Indiana?

923
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 8: No, I mean, I think they had four guys. Obviously

924
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 8: the two you know, obviously the Stephen Daily thing. Everybody

925
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 8: kind of knew that right after the Big Ten Championships.

926
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 8: Kellen Wyott's been out since like October in terms of

927
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 8: bryce and bonds. Was another one. There was a fourth

928
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 8: one has escaped in my mind, but it wasn't funny.

929
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 8: I don't think he played a lot Brendan Frank and probable,

930
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 8: I think is a pleasant surprise. I wondered if he

931
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 8: was going to be able to come back, and people say, well,

932
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 8: he's just a kickoff guy. Well, he's a really good

933
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 8: kickoff guy. Like basically teams don't return kickoff when he's

934
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 8: out there, and that's a big weapon to have, especially

935
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 8: you know you're playing to get a team like Bama

936
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 8: with their speed athleticism. You know, anytime you can keep

937
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 8: them from touching the ball and running with it is

938
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 8: obviously a positive. So if he's able to kick and

939
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 8: he's back to his old self, that's that's a nice

940
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 8: that'd be a nice addition for I you.

941
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you got indication map from Kurt

942
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: Signetti or uncovering this that Indiana looks at with Alabama

943
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: and sees maybe some sort of an achilles that Indiana

944
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: creates a new wrinkle to exploit, or we at the

945
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: point of the year now where it is, this is

946
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: who we are and this is what we do.

947
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 8: Well. And you're always you're obviously always looking for every

948
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 8: little advantage you can get. I think, you know, I mean,

949
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 8: Brian Haynes kind of said it when we talked to him.

950
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 8: You're kind of the point where you just do what

951
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 8: you do now you're still going to try to I mean,

952
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 8: Brian Haynes and both on both sides of the ball,

953
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 8: they're they're so good at attacking the weakness or finding

954
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 8: the weakness and an exploitas on the other team. And

955
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 8: obviously there everybody has a weakness. Even Indiana undefeated has weaknesses.

956
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 8: I mean, nobody's perfect. They just have a lot less

957
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 8: weak This is everybody else. And they do a great

958
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 8: job of not letting people, you know, kind of get

959
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 8: to them or exploit them. So, you know, I think

960
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 8: on you know, offensively, I heard what you said before

961
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 8: I got on. I do I agree with you. I

962
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 8: think rain is a benefit Indiana. I think there's a

963
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 8: better running team. Alabama's really struggled to run the ball

964
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 8: now you know, they can still do other things. The

965
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 8: bores offense. They throw a lot of quick passes to receivers.

966
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 8: But I do think weather favors Indiana. But I think,

967
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 8: you know, if you can get them into some second

968
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 8: and third and long unfavorable behind the behind the chains

969
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 8: kind of distances, you know, even without Wyatt, I'm sorry,

970
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 8: without uh Stephen Daily and tell them whyatt you know,

971
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 8: those two two of their best pass rushers. I still

972
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 8: think you can get some pressure on them, you don't

973
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 8: they have you know, hopefully I get tied Censon into

974
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 8: some mistakes. But and then offensively, like I said, you know,

975
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 8: I think I think Indiana so balanced. I just think

976
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 8: they'll take whatever Alabama gives them if they want them to,

977
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 8: if they if they if they played back, then they'll

978
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 8: run the ball if they're playing up. And then you

979
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 8: I think the Stemon doesn't throw on the ball, you know,

980
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 8: on the field. Of course, weather will play a part.

981
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 8: But I think offensively those do whatever they whatever the

982
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 8: you know, Alabama showing that they can do.

983
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: Is there concern or have you seen any reason to

984
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: be concerned that the moment may suddenly kind of sweep

985
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: up Indiana?

986
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 8: You know, I don't think so. I think last year

987
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 8: that was probably a little bit of it. And they

988
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 8: were they were for you know, that team. They had

989
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 8: a good year last year, you know, but they that

990
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 8: was the first time any of those guys pretty much

991
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 8: had ever been in that kind of situation. They a lot,

992
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 8: you know, and I know they have a lot of

993
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 8: new faces, but you know, the key guys on this

994
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 8: team have played in these types of games, and they

995
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 8: played on the biggest stages, you know, And I mean like,

996
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 8: you know, if they were gonna get swept up at something,

997
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 8: I would have thought it might be like the Big

998
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 8: Ten Championship. Playing in your backyard. You're going to get

999
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 8: some TV had and beaten since you know, what is

1000
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 8: it the late eighties, and so you know, I think

1001
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 8: they've shown that the that the wise is there gonna

1002
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 8: be some nerves and startup shore. There will be will

1003
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 8: there'll be some russ. I mean, they haven't played since

1004
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 8: well it December of that game December sixth, I think

1005
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 8: against the Hot State, so you're talking almost a month.

1006
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 8: I mean literally almost a month. There's probably and you

1007
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 8: know obviously Alabama played more recently, so there'll probably be

1008
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 8: some runs and nerves, but I think they'll settle in.

1009
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 8: This is a veteran team with a great leadership Aiden Fisher,

1010
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 8: Pat Coogan, Mendoza, you go on down the list. This

1011
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 8: is a really veteran team that they're just very bus

1012
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 8: like it. So I don't think they'll get caught up

1013
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 8: in the moment, and I think they'll be fine. With that.

1014
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Lastly, Matt, the one thing that is of interest

1015
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: I won't say concern bit of interest to me, and

1016
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me if you think I'm

1017
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: overthinking it, and that is that if Indiana is to

1018
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: win a national championship, which I mean they're the number

1019
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: one seed, right they're going to have to play three

1020
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: consecutive weeks against three consecutive very deep and strong teams,

1021
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: regardless of who it is. And they have the two

1022
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: best wins in college football right now, but they didn't

1023
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: have to do it week after week after week. Does

1024
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: Indiana have the depth to be able to go up

1025
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: against a blue blood three weeks in that is also

1026
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: going into their third game in three weeks and has

1027
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: better depth on their roster.

1028
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 8: No, I think that's a great point. And I think

1029
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 8: I don't think you're overthinking that at all. And and

1030
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 8: do I think they can do it? Yeah, but we

1031
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 8: won't know for sure. I mean there are some spots.

1032
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 8: And obviously now the end is a finn spot. I

1033
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 8: mean you're down to McAll Kamara, and I mean I'm

1034
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 8: not sure who the other guys gonna be. Maybe in

1035
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 8: Duke Way, maybe they put Mario Landino. But no matter what,

1036
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 8: you've lost two really good players and your depth is

1037
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 8: taking a hit. And if you have any more injuries

1038
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 8: than some other spots, you know, it could be tough.

1039
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 8: Especially like you said, there's no every other week, there's

1040
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 8: no bye weeks. Now you're gonna be playing. If you win, now,

1041
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 8: you play well the night, and then you'll get like

1042
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 8: ten days. I think the national champions of the nineteenth

1043
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 8: maybe get a little bit more time, but still it's

1044
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 8: basically week after week after week. So yeah, I think

1045
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 8: you make it a great point and we'll find out.

1046
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 8: I think they have the depth, but this is where

1047
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 8: this is where it's gonna get tested for sure. If

1048
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 8: they make a run here and they have a great

1049
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 8: straight coach and Derek Owens, if you get this team

1050
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 8: physically ready to play, so I think they can do it,

1051
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 8: but you never know. Injuries are the uncontrollable, you know,

1052
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 8: you just there's nothing you can do about them. And

1053
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 8: if those crop up then obviously that could throw a

1054
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 8: monkey mentioned everything.

1055
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: Uh did you pay for the early bird boarding Delio?

1056
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: By the way, Uh, I think I'm like, I'm in

1057
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: d I'm going to say you're b six. I'm gonna

1058
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: say you're B six. What number do you got? B what?

1059
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 8: I think it might be B two?

1060
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: Oh nice? Yeah, you're fine. Your your your window or

1061
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you're not middle seat. You're good. You're good.

1062
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 8: So I think i'm B too.

1063
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: So I mean, if people get off the plane in Phoenix,

1064
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: get up and start throwing your elbows around, you know

1065
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1066
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: Festival seating, I mean most of.

1067
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: It, matt We appreciate the time, short notice. I realized

1068
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: safe travels by all means, and we'll be reading the

1069
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: coverage at twenty four to seven and peaks of the

1070
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl between Indiana and Alabama.

1071
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: Certainly appreciate it.

1072
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 8: Okay, thanks you guys have a great dew year.

1073
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: Appreciate it you too.

1074
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: Matthew Weaver joining us on the Java House Peel and

1075
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: Poor Guest line