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Speaker 1: Before we get into the Colts, I'm going to invite

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a name, Steven. I want

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Speaker 2: I don't know that there's over emphasis from the organization,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the quurt. Look, we're all the quarterback

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Speaker 1: talk and conversation. We've gone over that one hundred times. Okay, right,

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Speaker 1: I was here and was listening to it when Chris

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Speaker 1: only because we're all trying to get temperate, we're all

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Speaker 1: But even though he was trying to preach confidence in

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Speaker 2: So I would agree that he was more combat more

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Speaker 2: combative than usual. You know, Look, there was I got

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Speaker 2: a lot of tweets from people reaction from people who

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Speaker 2: were saying, man, you know he was. He was really

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Speaker 2: I would just say, for the record, like he did

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Speaker 2: probably TMI. To his credit, five minutes later, I got

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Speaker 2: a text message from and say, Hey, my bad, I

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Speaker 2: I would say this, I don't disagree that he definitely

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Speaker 2: the quarterback situation, you know, largely appropriately. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: didn't say it in those words, but that was kind

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Speaker 2: of the the effect of his words. Right. So here's

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Speaker 2: why I bring that up because I think that's important

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Speaker 2: you know, because he did kind of really I think,

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Speaker 2: were maybe not appropriate, well, they're absolutely appropriate for sure.

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Speaker 2: And I told him that. I said, look, we're asking

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Speaker 2: lot of questions. Man, That's how this works. And I

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Speaker 2: think that is absolutely true because all of our coverage,

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Speaker 2: has been at top of mind for everyone, and he

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Speaker 2: the job, man, you know, that is what it is. Well,

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Speaker 2: so I think it's fine, but no one's matt, I'm

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Speaker 2: not mad, no one's offended or anything, but just just

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Speaker 1: Steven, I'm a classic overthinker. You've sat next to me

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Speaker 1: you to tell me if I'm overthinking this. I understand

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Speaker 1: all of that, and I'm not trying to make anything.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is not neurosurgery here, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like nobody's going to die. I get all of that,

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Speaker 1: and I can appreciate. And I know that you have

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Speaker 1: I commend him for that. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: at the same time, if you are an NFL executive

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I mean I think that he himself wishes that he had.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is if he's not if he's impulsive

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Speaker 1: I could have handled that differently than what's he doing

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Speaker 1: when you see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Right, I will say one of the remarkable things about

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Speaker 2: that is Chris Ballard's Okay, that is the the big

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Speaker 2: talking South Texas you know, guy who who doesn't mince words. Right,

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Speaker 2: you are a product of where you come from, who

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Speaker 2: you were raised by all that, Right, that that's fine,

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Speaker 2: That's what makes us who we are. So that is

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Speaker 2: Chris Palard. That is that That is the Chris Ballard

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Speaker 2: that we all know. I think you know behind closed doors,

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Speaker 2: having it out and arguing I'm saying, like he's he's

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Speaker 1: Again in defensive Chris Ballard that personality that you know

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Speaker 1: that all of it right, that that spitfire when you're winning,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, and I'm not I'm just

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Speaker 1: But I don't dislike him, and I hear he's a

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Speaker 2: Sense of line. So it's not a guy. But maybe

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Speaker 2: I think you said a guy or a unit. I

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Speaker 2: stamped that this group is going to work. Right. You

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Speaker 2: You know, you always hope it only takes one week

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I actually think they have a talented group.

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Speaker 2: But you still got to prove it, Okay. And the

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Speaker 2: reason this matters so much is not just because of

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Speaker 2: have a different quarterback. Okay, Jonathan Taylor, from people I've

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Speaker 2: of it is just like, well, if everything else feels,

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Speaker 1: And then so I'm going to take this back to quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Have they gone with a quarterback that can be a

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Speaker 2: No, I think it's the former and not the latter.

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Speaker 2: And I would expand that to say, I think this

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Speaker 2: skill players. The other skill players. You know, the three

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Speaker 2: and that's how I interpret it based on people I've

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Speaker 1: Since we are talking right now on this the week

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Speaker 1: September twenty twenty five, I would like Steven Holder's prediction

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Speaker 2: Well, actually I made this prediction for ESPN. I don't

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Speaker 2: so it's not not any big deal. What did I

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Speaker 1: C clearly, because clearly, when you stand very strongly by.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, I'm thinking everything on this clearly, I don't

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Speaker 1: Yes, they will be defeating who.

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Speaker 2: I believe I picked. I believe it's Philadelphia, So I

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Speaker 2: you know, he is still the best quarterback that has improven.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they were not a great team last year,

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Speaker 2: and they've retooled that offensive line. I think they have

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Speaker 2: some more pieces around him now. I feel better about

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Speaker 2: that team this year. And I'm not saying they're the

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Speaker 2: best team right now, but over the course of the season,

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Speaker 2: they end up being one of the best, and they

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Speaker 2: end up finding ways to win games they have no

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Speaker 2: business winning. They are the best winners. Okay, that's it.

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Speaker 2: They're the best winners. And until someone else proves otherwise

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Speaker 2: by showing until they actually prove otherwise by not consistently winning,

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Speaker 2: then we can say differently. But for now, they are

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Speaker 2: still the best winners in the NFL. The Kansas City

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Speaker 2: Chiefs not popular and people are sick of it. I

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Speaker 2: get it. They're getting the Brady fatigue, the Patriots fatigue

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Speaker 2: a little bit here, but it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: That's what I say.

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Speaker 1: All Right, there we go, Eddie will make our picks.

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Speaker 1: I guess before the end of the day as well.

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Speaker 1: Steven appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: We look forward to talking to me again. All right,

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Speaker 1: you got it, Steven Holder with Chiefs over the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: Very original. By the way, here on the guest lineup

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Speaker 1: joining us now and I'm sure thrilled to be doing

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Speaker 1: so based on that intro from Fieldhouse Files is Scott

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Speaker 1: Agnes and Scott, let's get to this talk about the

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Speaker 1: fever and Phoenix. And by the way, Scott, have you

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Speaker 1: been to Phoenix? I have several times. Yeah, you like Phoenix.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 4: But to your point earlier, it is dreadful this time

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Speaker 4: of year, very much like Vegas in the middle of

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Speaker 4: July where it's degrees.

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Speaker 1: That's a dry heat. But the heat is on the

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Speaker 1: Fever right now, not just because of the mercury, but

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Speaker 1: because of their situation and the postseason, which is tenuous

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Speaker 1: and you're starting to hear that, like if you're standing

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Speaker 1: on is of things beneath their footing, take me through

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Speaker 1: and four our listeners where things stand for the Fever

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Speaker 1: right now of their solidarity or lack thereof in terms

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Speaker 1: of the postseason.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's crunch time, absolutely less, and basically the

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Speaker 4: season's over regular season in one week, and there's now

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Speaker 4: for the first time this season, thirteen teams in the

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Speaker 4: league after one expansion team, and there's eight playoff spots.

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Speaker 4: Four have already been clinched. Four players or four teams

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Speaker 4: rather have already been eliminated, Jake. So you have five

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Speaker 4: teams competing here over the final week for four spots,

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Speaker 4: the Fever right in the middle of that pack. So

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Speaker 4: they'll probably need to win at least two, perhaps three

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Speaker 4: to control their own destiny here. But among their final

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Speaker 4: four games here a couple of their opponents Chicago, Washington

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Speaker 4: they've already been eliminated, and their final games against Minnesota

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Speaker 4: Links who have the top seed, and you never know

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Speaker 4: will they be in the resting and looking forward to

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Speaker 4: the postseason for their season finale in one week?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that I'll just put this point blank, Scott,

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Speaker 1: do you think we see Caitlin Clark before the end

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Speaker 1: of the year. I do.

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Speaker 4: I still believe after that brief issue that happened ironically

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Speaker 4: in Phoenix a month ago when she got injured and

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Speaker 4: then we saw Sidney Coulson go down during the game

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Speaker 4: and Ery McDonald later in the game, they're back in

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Speaker 4: that Phoenix And I think we saw Chloe post a

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Speaker 4: video here today of her shoot around going through five

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Speaker 4: on OH that show she's progressing through exactly what they

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Speaker 4: want and to this point has certainly gotten about a

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Speaker 4: half dozen walk through shoot arounds five on OH type

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Speaker 4: work in that. I think it would be set up

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Speaker 4: nicely for her to potentially return Friday, because if you

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Speaker 4: don't return this weekend, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: So, I think you're in a good spot leading up

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Speaker 4: to Friday against Chicago.

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Speaker 1: The Scott Agnes is our guest from Fieldhouse Files. Scott

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Speaker 1: is there as they have had to go through so

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Speaker 1: many backcourt combinations this year, the fever because of you know,

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Speaker 1: the attrition, right, Seemingly every time they get a new

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Speaker 1: point guards, you know, something else happens. But have they

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Speaker 1: had to alter their style of play? And in addition

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Speaker 1: to that, are they being played any differently?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think the manner in which they play has changed

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Speaker 4: because they've had to simplify everything. Like you have a

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Speaker 4: Hall of Training camp, which isn't very long and certainly

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Speaker 4: not long enough for these coaches to install everything they

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Speaker 4: want months ago. And I mean the latest example of

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Speaker 4: what the Fever have gone through all season is one

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Speaker 4: of the players they signed to a hardship then signed

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Speaker 4: to the rest of the season deal, Chloe Bibby. She's

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Speaker 4: been out for two weeks now with left knee soreness,

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Speaker 4: so it's one thing after another, and so she's joined

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Speaker 4: that injury report for the last several weeks. So they've simplified.

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Speaker 4: I think it's less playmaking and they're really just emphasizing

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Speaker 4: the most obvious things and trying to get through games.

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Speaker 1: Finally go ahead, Oh finish what you're saying, Scott, My bad, No,

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Speaker 1: you're good.

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Speaker 4: I was just they're trying to simplify everything because look,

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Speaker 4: it's they're at a place in the season right now

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Speaker 4: where this is why you did see them tweak the

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Speaker 4: type of player they went after as well. Instead of

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Speaker 4: a player who had never played in the league like

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Speaker 4: they did previously, or had a couple of years of experience,

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Speaker 4: they went and got that thirty fourty six year old

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Speaker 4: point guard who had ten years of experience in the

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Speaker 4: league for that specific reason to get them through.

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Speaker 1: I know what I was going to say, and that is,

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Speaker 1: by the way, did I see video of Tyrese Haliburton

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Speaker 1: shooting albeit flat footed free throws.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyree's posted on his instagram on Monday, him and

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Speaker 4: his friend and assistant coach Isaac Jacob at the practice facility,

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Speaker 4: and yesterday was exactly ten weeks.

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Speaker 1: Ten weeks since the injury. I think we just lost

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Speaker 1: Scott's connection. That's you know. I remember when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid. Scotty Shepherd, who went on to become a

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Speaker 1: really good player at Carmel and then went on to

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Speaker 1: Florida State is dabt Billy Shepherd and mister Basketball. He

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Speaker 1: was the first kid I ever played with the could

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Speaker 1: shoot flat footed free throws. That was a marvel, like

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Speaker 1: in fourth grade. And it's a marvel to see Tyre's

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Speaker 1: Halliburton doing it because to your points, got ten weeks

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Speaker 1: since the injury, and you know, obviously the way he

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Speaker 1: was shooting it. He you don't jump at this age

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Speaker 1: when you're shooting free throws. But he very clearly, just

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Speaker 1: keeping the weight stable on the achilles. But to your

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Speaker 1: knowledge from what you've heard or what the expectation was,

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Speaker 1: is this above behind schedule, you know, advanced or right

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Speaker 1: about on par?

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Speaker 4: It seems to me right on schedule. He hadn't said

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Speaker 4: anything to that note. But I want to emphasize here,

560
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Speaker 4: this is nothing a month or two months. The focus

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Speaker 4: here is on next season. They've already had that. So

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Speaker 4: the approach here is more than anything, probably mental and

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Speaker 4: getting through the rehab, which is so grinding. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's using your foot and picking up marbles on the

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Speaker 4: feet to activate tendons and ligaments, things that are just tedious,

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Speaker 4: but little things like that. So I think he's right

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Speaker 4: on schedule. The fact that he did say he did

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Speaker 4: get out of his boot a little bit early. He's

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Speaker 4: not wearing shoes full time, but is able to wear

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Speaker 4: it in spurts. But he certainly has ditched the scooters,

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Speaker 4: so that's all possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. And the thing thing is when it

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Speaker 1: comes to Halliburton, so much of injury recovery is mental

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Speaker 1: and just overcoming the fear of whether or not the

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Speaker 1: body is going to respond when you're asking it to

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Speaker 1: do something different. And you know what I mean, Scott, Like,

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Speaker 1: you just see so many players that psychologically they want

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Speaker 1: to hesitate. And I'm not saying he's at that point

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Speaker 1: at all. I mean he's not putting that sort of

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Speaker 1: physical activity on it. But each step along the way

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Speaker 1: I think is important towards eventually being able to overcome

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Speaker 1: that mental hurdle one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what you're looking for. If you're the team,

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Speaker 4: it's the little benchmarks, how are you doing mentally and

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Speaker 4: in the real test. Jake will be here in a

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Speaker 4: two months or so when he's starting to miss games,

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Speaker 4: when he's starting to feel like he's not contributing, that

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Speaker 4: he has no role on the team, he can't help

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Speaker 4: out in any way. For right now, he wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: playing anyway with his teammates, playing in front of those fans.

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Speaker 4: And so to me, the great thing that he's also

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Speaker 4: had is he's been able to check in with Kevin

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Speaker 4: Durant often. He's been able to check in with Jason

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Speaker 4: Tatum often, who shares the same skills trainer, and he's

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Speaker 4: about three weeks maybe four weeks ahead of Tyree, so

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Speaker 4: he can literally tell him what's upcoming. They went through

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Speaker 4: the same doctor, so they're probably having very similar rehabs

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 1: Small world they live in, man intertwined world for sure.

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Speaker 1: Scott agnesfield House files again Fever in Action tonight taking

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Speaker 1: on Phoenix. Then on Friday it is Chicago. That is

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Speaker 1: a home game seven thirty at Gambridge field House, Washington

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Speaker 1: and Minnesota to round out the regular season. Scott appreciate it, man,

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 4: Sounds good, thanks, Jake.

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Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joining us on the guest line. Zach Keeper

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Speaker 1: from the Athletic in just a second before we do that.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to pass this along. Just saw this story come

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Speaker 1: across in the last hour or so. George Raveling, who

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Speaker 1: many would remember as the sweatsuit wearing coach for the

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Speaker 1: Iowa Hawk Eyes in the mid eighties. He had been

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Speaker 1: involved in the shoe industry when he got the Iowa job.

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Speaker 1: Also was an assistant for Bob Knight on the nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty four Olympic team, arguably the greatest amateur team ever assembled.

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Speaker 1: And George Raveling, who as well worked security during Martin

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Speaker 1: Luther King's I Have a Dream speech and as a

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Speaker 1: result asked doctor King for the original copy of the

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Speaker 1: speech itself, as King was leaving the podium that day

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Speaker 1: and held on to it until he donated it to

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Speaker 1: Villanova University. But George Raveling one of the great personalities

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Speaker 1: in college basketball of the eighties and nineties, certainly passing

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Speaker 1: away today at the age of eighty eight. Zach Keith

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Speaker 1: for joining us on the program from the Athletic has

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Speaker 1: And of course Zach, as we know for many years

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Speaker 1: covering of the coverage of the Indianapolis Colts, now covering

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Speaker 1: the NFL on a wider scope league wide as a

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Speaker 1: very interesting article about quarterbacks in the NFL. And Zach,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to begin with one of my really bad analogies.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: I'm ready, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: When I was like, that's the bad analogy sound or

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Speaker 1: the program that is the worst? That was Fish, right,

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Speaker 1: and that the guy from Fish playing a vacuum cleaner, uh, Zach.

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Speaker 1: When I was in high school, my dad one day

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Speaker 1: said to me, he said, Jake, you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: going to want to go to college, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to kind of what's going on with you academically. And

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Speaker 1: I said, Dad, don't worry like as soon as I

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Speaker 1: get to my junior year, I'm really going to buckle

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Speaker 1: down and I'm going to be a really good student.

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Speaker 1: And my dad said, but Jake, it doesn't work that easily.

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Speaker 1: You don't just flip a switch. And I later had

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Speaker 1: to learn that that is true. What you do as

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Speaker 1: a freshman and sophomore kind of sets the tone for

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Speaker 1: you academically over the course of your career. And in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, it seems to me like, in fact, when

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Speaker 1: you have a young quarterback, you have a brief period

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Speaker 1: of time to get it right, because you don't just

649
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden flip a switch. And I don't

650
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Speaker 1: know exactly when the time period is that you have

651
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: to make that decision or when the damage just you're

652
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: too far gone. But you have a fascinating article about

653
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: all of that, right, and it really is one of

654
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: the biggest balancing acts in sports, is it not.

655
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a fair analogy. You know. The

656
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: funny part, Jake is I talked to a lot of

657
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: former quarterbacks about this, and the range was wide, right,

658
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: Like Hall of famers, some of the best to ever

659
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: play the position, admitted like even they didn't think it

660
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: was going right at the early stages, right, Like I'd

661
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 3: never heard this story before. I don't know if you

662
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: did either, But Peyton Manning was six quarters into his

663
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: NFL career. They were playing in Foxborough in week two

664
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Speaker 3: of his rookie season. He thrown six interceptions already, and

665
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: he's looking down the sideline at Jimora being like, am

666
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 3: I going to get benched?

667
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: Like?

668
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: Am I going to sit down the rest of the day.

669
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: And he admitted that part of him wanted to be

670
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 3: benched because he didn't want to throw five or six interceptions.

671
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: And then, you you know, go back even further Troy

672
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: Ikvin number one pick Dallas Cowboys. You know, he famously

673
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: did not win a game as a rookie. He would

674
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: walk off the field and wonder, like, what does it

675
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: take to win a game in this league? And that's

676
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: the guy that went on to win three Super Bowls,

677
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 3: and like Peyton as a Hall of Famer. So even

678
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: for the all time greats, it feels like they're like

679
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 3: trying to wade through this abyss in the early parts

680
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: of their career. So there's no one obvious template where

681
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: you just have success right away. But another telling moment

682
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: was I mean, the best rookie quarterback we've seen in

683
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: this town was Andrew luck in twenty twelve. And I

684
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: asked him about it, like, how was it dealing with

685
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: not just the pressure of replacing Peyton, but also like

686
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: being a rookie quarterback who starts from the minute you

687
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: get there? And he was like, it was everything you

688
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: think it was, and then you'd pour a lot of

689
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: gasoline on top of it. And that was a guy

690
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: who was as ready as any one of them. So

691
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: if you spin that forward to the situation, the culture

692
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: and now a lot of mistakes were made and how

693
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: they brought Anthony Richardson just the first twenty four months alone.

694
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Speaker 1: You know the let's go back to this, Zach, because

695
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: you know the Colts are in a unique situation. We

696
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: can get to that in the quarterbacking spot and the

697
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: fact that you have one guy that you're wondering if

698
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: it's too late, you have another one that you're hoping

699
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: that a second lease gives second opportunity. Right what quarterback

700
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: right now, when you were doing this piece, did you

701
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: kind of learn you feel from a league standpoint, is

702
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: most right now delicately walking that tightrope of figuring out

703
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: which guy he's going to be.

704
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 3: I think he plays in Chicago. I think it's Caleb Williams.

705
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: I know it's too early, he's only played one season,

706
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 3: but some of the quotes from Peyton Manning were very telling. Peyton,

707
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: as everybody knows that's listening to the show right now,

708
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: is a fan of quarterbacks, right he is quarterback allegiant,

709
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: and he hates what's happening to young quarterbacks in the NFL.

710
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 3: And he brought up Williams, and he brought up young

711
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: as well. But what he said was, look, everybody says

712
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: they have a plan. All these gms and these teams

713
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: and these owners, they get up there and they say,

714
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: we're going to be patient, We're going to play it

715
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: slow with this guy. He's going to be our guy

716
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: for a long time. And they don't practice it right.

717
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 3: They buckle under pressure, they make changes, they fire coaches,

718
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 3: they fire coordinators. And Peyton pointed out that both of

719
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: these number one picks the last two years are on

720
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 3: their third head coach including interims and third play caller,

721
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 3: and Caleb's in year two. So this is just malpractice

722
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: in terms of what Peyton sees and look I mean,

723
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: part of it is the way we analyze these guys.

724
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: And Aikman made this point. He said, look, I was

725
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: in Dallas. I was terrible as a rookie, but I

726
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 3: wasn't on the talk shows every day. I wasn't getting

727
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 3: destroyed in ESPN every day. And I mean Caleb Williams,

728
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 3: he misses a throwing net in August in the first

729
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: week of training camp, and it's like, all of a sudden,

730
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: a nine second video clip on Twitter is a litmus

731
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: test for the rest of his season. So you know, people,

732
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: context is missing, Jake Nuance is missing. But the thing is,

733
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: you know, Peyton gets really angry about the way these

734
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: quarterbacks are treated. He you know, he played for the

735
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 3: same offensive coordingt in the first nine or ten years

736
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: of his career. That's rare. But he said, look, if

737
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: you're a team and you don't think you have the

738
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: right coach, don't draft the quarterback. But then he added,

739
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: they always, always, always draft the quarterback.

740
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you a couple of quarterbacks, Zach,

741
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: and I want you to tell me whether or not

742
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: you think we know who they are or we're still learning.

743
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Tua, Well, I think we know who

744
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: he is.

745
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned Caleb Williams. That's a good one, okay,

746
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: And here's here's a good one because it's a young

747
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: player who right out of the womb was outstanding. But

748
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: there's also that tendency to kind of buy into fools.

749
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: Gold.

750
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this player where is that? But

751
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna give you a couple of young players.

752
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: You tell me if there's a chance of regression. Jade

753
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: and Daniels.

754
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: I have a big story coming at him later this week,

755
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: and I think he's for real because of his makeup,

756
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: his mental makeup. He doesn't fall for the trappings that

757
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: a lot of these young quarterbacks have fallen for. And

758
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: I think they're doing everything right in that organization, which

759
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: is saying something because that organization did everything wrong for

760
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: about twenty five years before he got there. So I'm

761
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: buying Jade Daniels.

762
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: Okay, justin Fields, I.

763
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: Don't see it now again. You know he played for

764
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: the Bears, and the Bears if they miss on Kayleb Williams,

765
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 3: that's three misses on first round quarterbacks in the last

766
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: decade alone, not to mention the fact that they haven't

767
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: had a real one, a real franchise quarterback since World

768
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 3: War Two. I think he'll be fine with the Jets

769
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 3: this year, but he's never really been set up for

770
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 3: success as well, Bo.

771
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: Nicks, who's his coach.

772
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: I mean, what looks like finding the lottery ticket if

773
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: you're a young quarterback, if you're going to play for

774
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 3: as Sean Payton or Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan. I

775
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 3: think Bowenex is for real because he's in the right

776
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: infrastructure in Denver to continue to grow.

777
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you two more here and then

778
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: I want to talk esoterically about Indianapolis with it. But

779
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: justin Herbert, Yeah.

780
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: He's just only going to get better. I mean, do

781
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: you know what the weapons he had last year? It

782
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 3: was an offensive line in a run game. And then

783
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 3: like Ladma Conkley. So I think he's for real.

784
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Okay, Trevor Lawrence, that one.

785
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 3: Gives me pause. I think he's made of the right stuff.

786
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: But remember he was thrown into maybe the worst situation

787
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: any quarterbacks faced as a rookie with Urban Meyer. His

788
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: rookie year, he came at it with Doug Peterson, he

789
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: got hurt, he leveled off. It's going to be really

790
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: fascinating because I still do not trust that organization. And

791
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 3: this is another thing that Troykman brought up. He said,

792
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: we're looking for all the great young quarterbacks. Everyone's asking

793
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: where are these great young corequarterbacks? Aight Min's question is

794
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: where are the great young quarterback coaches? Because there's certainly some,

795
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: there's certainly some. Ben Johnson is the new one, right,

796
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 3: that's got the head job. But you got to wonder,

797
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 3: like some of these coaches, they just absolutely mismanaged quarterbacks

798
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 3: young earlier in their career.

799
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: See I you tell me Trevor Lawrence, and I mentioned

800
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: only because it's AFC South, right, and you know he

801
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: still is young enough, and that Jacksonville team around him,

802
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: if they put pieces there, I thought coming out, and

803
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: I realized this now is not probably going to be

804
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: fruition Zach Zach Keith for our guests from the athletic

805
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: I thought coming out, Trevor Lawrence was the closest I'd

806
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: seen to Peyton Manning size, touch, understanding all of it, right,

807
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: But I also look at it and I go he

808
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: was thrown to some guys at Clemson that were all

809
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: had separation and so it was easier to get it

810
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: within window. And so I guess my question is, was

811
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: I looking at that through Clemson colored glasses?

812
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: I don't think so, Jake, because I remember watching that

813
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: game against LSU right maybe the best college football team

814
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 3: in the past twenty years, the LSU Tigers with Joe Burrow.

815
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: Those guys weren't open in that game, and he was

816
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: still finding ways to get that ball in there. I mean,

817
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: that was some of the best college quarterbacking between Burrow

818
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: and Trevor Lawrence that I've ever seen. So I don't

819
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: think you were looking at it as a Clenston fan.

820
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: He was every bit what everyone thought he was. But

821
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: this is the other part of it. This is why

822
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: I wrote the entire story. Teams play a role in this,

823
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: they just do. You can have Trevor Lawrence, you can

824
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 3: have Andrew Luck. If you don't have their infrastructure in place,

825
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: even the great ones are going to struggle. And as

826
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: you see Trevor Lawrence right now kind of in this

827
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: abyss of whether we don't know if he's good or not,

828
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: if he's a leader or not, or if he's one

829
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: of the best in the league or not.

830
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: I thought, Zach Keeper's our guest from the Athletic, and

831
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: you're writing about quarterbacks and the making and breaking of quarterbacks,

832
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: and more specifically, how the NFL just chews up and

833
00:43:54,680 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: spits out quarterbacks. So let's go now to Indianapolis. Is

834
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: the ice cream truck coming past?

835
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: Getting? Is that? It's my wind time?

836
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: But real don't tell my kids. If they hear that,

837
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: You're gonna hear my kids on the other side, if it.

838
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: Was the ice cream truck, what would you get?

839
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, but I know they would be

840
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: getting something, that's for sure. They're off school today. I

841
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: don't know why Labor Day is over. Let's get back

842
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: to school.

843
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: It's a Tuesday. It feels like a Monday. Uh Okay,

844
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, is this still? Do you believe that Indianapolis

845
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: still thinks there's something there? Or are they giving window

846
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: dressing to ride out the year and then figure out

847
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: what they're going to do with him?

848
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's window dressing. I really, I

849
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: honestly believe what Chris Ballad has told me. I had

850
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: a long conversation with him this summer about this very topic,

851
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: for this very story, and I pushed back a little bit,

852
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: and he said, even if he doesn't win the starting

853
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: quarterback competition this summer, we're not giving up on him

854
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: and we believe in him. So I think they've just

855
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: done a hard reset here, right. They rushed him in

856
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: too fast. They've admitted that he didn't hold up his

857
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 3: end the bargain, which is another part of this. Right,

858
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: he didn't prepare like you should have last year, And

859
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 3: a big part of this that's getting missed, I think

860
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: is he played well as a rookie. If you remember this,

861
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: he played well those first four games. They signed Jonathan

862
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: Taylor because they think they have the quarterback things figured out,

863
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: and then Richardson gets hurt for the year, and what

864
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: does that mean. He's out of the building. And when

865
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 3: he's out of the building, he doesn't get to see

866
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 3: what a quarterback needs to do. Every day. I mean

867
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: every day. I don't mean every week. I mean every

868
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: day to get ready for Sunday. He comes back, he's

869
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: handed the job, he doesn't have to earn it, and

870
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: his preparation slips. Three weeks in, coach has noticed, he

871
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: makes notice, etc. He's benched for lack of preparation. He

872
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: taps out. I'm tired all that you need to build

873
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: those daily habits, and he just didn't do that. So

874
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: I think the Colts, as unpopular as this sounds, I

875
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: think they realize that they screwed this up. And this

876
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: kid is still twenty three years old. He's only twenty three.

877
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: He's like younger than some of the rookies that are

878
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: starting this year, So there's no real rush. And maybe

879
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: it's a little bit abnormal to wait on, you know,

880
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: the fifth year option and all that that comes next year.

881
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: But I think the Colts honestly believe the best thing

882
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: for Anthony Richardson right now is to sit and watch

883
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 3: for a year and then see if he can reach

884
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: us the TETO after that. That's my opinion, But from

885
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: everyone I've talked to the past couple of months, that's

886
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: where I think the Colts came down. As much as

887
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: they've screwed this up to this point, they're not willing

888
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 3: to screw it up further by making it worse.

889
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: Well, I guess the question becomes, Zach, is it possible

890
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: that they have screwed this up to the point of

891
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: no return even if they want to resurrect it is

892
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: it possible that the damage has already been done in

893
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: the fact that they you know, I go back to

894
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard saying, Anthony Richardson has come miles from when

895
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: he got here, and I say to myself, well, that's great,

896
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: but that means that he was miles ago a guy

897
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: that won the starting job, and now miles later is

898
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: losing it to Daniel Jones.

899
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't track right. It doesn't add up right.

900
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 3: They can't go back and change. And this is a

901
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: conversation I had recently, is like Chris knew that this

902
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: guy was going to take time. Like he I've talked

903
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: to him for years about quarterbacks and he would be like,

904
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: you don't just draft one. You have to have a

905
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: plane in place once they get here. And then we're

906
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 3: still in this place where they talked about patients and

907
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: preached it and preached it. And then he gets here

908
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: and they have a sham of a quarterback competition and

909
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: they give him the job. So like they all they

910
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: did was talk about it, and they didn't they didn't

911
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: walk it, they didn't back it up. So at this point,

912
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: I don't think it's too far gone. I don't think

913
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: he's too far gone. What you're talking about essentially are scars, right,

914
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 3: That's what Bruce Arians called them. These guys play too early,

915
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: they developed bad habits, they're not brought up the right

916
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: way in the league. And Alex Smith talked about this.

917
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: His couple of years in San Francisco were a disaster

918
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: and he would watch film alone right because he just

919
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: held just it was just disaster. And I don't think

920
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: it's too late for Anthony Richardson. He's still young. This

921
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 3: team still believes in him. And as I mentioned in

922
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 3: the story, like there are guys that go and resurrect

923
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: their career and play really well. I still think it's

924
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: in them. Sam Darnold, Baker, Mayfield, Gino Smith. Now for

925
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: those guys, they had to go somewhere else and do it.

926
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: The Colts still believe it can happen for Richardson here

927
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 3: that would go against pretty much everything we know about

928
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: the NFL. But again, these things are possible, and they're

929
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 3: just taking the slow approach. And I think I don't

930
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: think they're they're closing the book on him yet.

931
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: Do you think Zach zach Keeper is our guest from

932
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: the Athletic Do you think that Daniel Jones is the

933
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: starting quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts right now because more

934
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: so of what the Colts believe in Daniel Jones are

935
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: more so because of what they believe still they're trying

936
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: to get out of Anthony Richardson.

937
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: That's a good question, Jake, I to answer it. I

938
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: think it's I think and then Matt Hasselbeck made this

939
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 3: point in my stories. Times, when you have one thing

940
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: and that doesn't work, you overcompensate and go towards the

941
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: other thing. Right, So, in a lot of ways, these

942
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: guys are the opposite quarterback. I know they're both athletic,

943
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: but Jones is going to give you the consistency, the

944
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: down to down, third and short as opposed to third

945
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: and fifty and that kind of stuff.

946
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 2: Right.

947
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: I think Daniel Jones is the starter because he doesn't

948
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: make the mistakes that Anthony Richardson does. I think at

949
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: the end of the day, Shane Stykin just wanted a

950
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: guy who's going to run his offense. Who's just going

951
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: to run his offense. I think that was what they

952
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: were going for, and he can live without the splash place.

953
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Bruce Arian said this in the

954
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 3: story and he was not talking about the Colts, who said,

955
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: when I'm looking at a quarterback, I want accuracy over

956
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 3: arm strength, and I literally just want a guy who's

957
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 3: going to do the stuff we design. Like that's a

958
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: super Bowl winning coach who's been really good with a

959
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: bunch of quarterbacks, Brady Manning, Luck, Roethlisberger, all those guys.

960
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: He knows what he's talking about, and he simplified it

961
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: to that extent. He said, I just want a guy

962
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: who will do this stuff we design. I think more

963
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 3: often than not, coaches believe that about themselves that they

964
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: can get this done. They quarterback just runs their system,

965
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: and I think that's what they see Daniel Jones doing

966
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: this year. It worked pretty well the first year with

967
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew.

968
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: Zach.

969
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: One of the things I mentioned earlier, Jonathan Taylor is

970
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: such a good running back, and I think we lose

971
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: sight of that because it's an NFL now that unless

972
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: you have a running back that you're utilizing one hundred

973
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: different ways in space, you know, Saquon Barklay type stuff.

974
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: Just the offense of relying on your running back seems antiquated.

975
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: But I think the Colts are going to do that

976
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: this year. Now, do you believe that they have Daniel

977
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: Jones as a game managing quarterback in there because they

978
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: are going to rely so heavily on Jonathan Taylor and

979
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: maybe Tyler Warren. Or are they going to be reliant

980
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: on Jonathan Taylor and Tyler Warren because they have a

981
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: guy in Daniel Jones that limits what they can do.

982
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 3: A little bit of both, probably the first, right, Like,

983
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna see I think you're gonna see

984
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three Colts with Gardner Minshew under center.

985
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: He could make a couple of throws a game. He's

986
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: gonna throw it twenty twenty five times a game. They're

987
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: not gonna take the top off the defenses. They're gonna

988
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: lean heavily on twenty eight And the thing that no

989
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: one's talking about. And maybe I'm wrong here, but I

990
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 3: think this is a pretty good offense outside of the quarterback,

991
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: really good running back. Tyler warrens a baller. I think

992
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: he's going to be an a tight end from like

993
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: the very beginning. I think they have a pretty good

994
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: receiving core. And that's even if ad Mitchell doesn't step up,

995
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: and he might, because he might get some separation because

996
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 3: he's maybe the most talented of the group. Pierce has

997
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: proven it, Pittman can do it. You know, Downs is

998
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: great underneath, like they if the line in those spots

999
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: that they had to replace, if the line is solid,

1000
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 3: the running back to tight end the wide receiver room.

1001
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 3: I really like this offense and I just feel like

1002
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: the quarterback can be a complimentary piece. And I feel

1003
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: like with Richardson there was more variation and they just

1004
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it comes down the third down, Like

1005
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 3: who do you trust more on.

1006
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: A third down?

1007
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: I think they trust that Daniel Joes Moore on third down.

1008
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: And I feel like Steken'll never say that, but that's

1009
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 3: just kind of where I feel, and you know, that's

1010
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: kind of the way they decided how to do this.

1011
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: Okay, Zach, last thing here in this piece that you

1012
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: wrote for The Athletic about the NFL and just how

1013
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: it can break quarterbacks, and you know, and some of

1014
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: those that escape the early trauma are special for sure.

1015
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 1: Throughout your research in this in talking to quarterbacks, give

1016
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: me the former quarterback that you talk to that it

1017
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: most illuminated to you and you most like had kind

1018
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: of an after the fact respect of like, Wow, that

1019
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: guy really knows his stuff and that was a great conversation.

1020
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 1: And then give me the current quarterback that it most

1021
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: illuminated to you. What we see out of them career

1022
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: wise to this point doesn't tell the whole story, and

1023
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: they deserve better benefit of the doubt.

1024
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 3: That's really good. A lot they're in the story. The

1025
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 3: one that jumped out the most was Alex Smith, right,

1026
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 3: And some people might know his story, but you probably

1027
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: don't know how dark it was. I mean, seven coordinators

1028
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: his first seven seasons in San Francisco, he had to

1029
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: yell at the sideline and ask the coaches if he

1030
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: could get into shotgun as a rookie, Like, think about

1031
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: how ridiculous that is. They wouldn't let him run the

1032
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: ball at all, despite the fact that he was a

1033
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 3: really good rushing quarterback at Utah. And Jim Harball gets

1034
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 3: there seven years in and says, why don't you run it?

1035
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: And Alex Smith says, because I've never been allowed to.

1036
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 3: He would watch film alone. He would hate home games

1037
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 3: because he knew he was going to get booed. He

1038
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 3: was the oldest quarterback in the quarterback room. His first

1039
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: couple of years. He didn't even know these are his words.

1040
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: He didn't even know what an NFL quarterback was supposed

1041
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 3: to look like. So him explaining all that and explaining

1042
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: what Jim Harball did and what Andy Reid did to

1043
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 3: save his career was really illuminated and it really made

1044
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: me think, I mean, Alex Smith was a good NFL quarterback,

1045
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl quarterback. It really made me realize how dependent

1046
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: these guys, even the good ones, are on where they land.

1047
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: I mean, Andrew Luck would have been a baller anywhere

1048
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 3: he won, Peyton, etc.

1049
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: CJ.

1050
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 3: Stroud probably the same way. But those guys are rare,

1051
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 3: and these guys are getting drafted every year to be saviors,

1052
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: to be cure alls, and only one or two and

1053
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 3: a generation really are. I mean, it's super rare. And

1054
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 3: so I asked J. Stroud one of my favorite questions

1055
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 3: is if you were drafting a quarterback, what would you

1056
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: look for? I asked Andrew Luck and he said, processing

1057
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 3: capacity and humility. He says, if you make a mistake,

1058
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: that's fine, can you not make it again? And then

1059
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: he said then you have to own up to that.

1060
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: Luck was really good at that as a rookie That's

1061
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 3: why he earned Freemy's respect and Matthus' respect in Reggie's respect,

1062
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 3: because he didn't come in like he owned the place,

1063
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: and that matters the locker room. The ability to win

1064
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 3: over the locker room matters. And then I asked C. J.

1065
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: Stroud the same question and talk about active quarterbacks, and

1066
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: he said I would interview every one of their college teammates.

1067
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: And I thought that was really fast, because essentially you

1068
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: can't fake that, right, Either your teammates know if you're

1069
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: a real one or not. And I thought that was

1070
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 3: really fascinating because these guys walk in, I mean, Jack

1071
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 3: and what other American enterprise twenty two year oldus his

1072
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: new colleagues, and essentially the face of the entire organization,

1073
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Speaker 3: a multi billion dollar organization. It just doesn't happen. And

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Speaker 3: it's really hard, and it's even harder than we realize.

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Speaker 3: And from hearing from these guys, they kind of illuminated

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Speaker 3: just how impossible it can be at times.

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith, by the way, my favorite anecdote that I

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Speaker 1: give for two different things, Zach, I always say, oftentimes

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Speaker 1: you are evaluated not based on what you've done, but

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Speaker 1: how you were acquired. Alex Smith was you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like, he was the number one overall pick

1082
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Speaker 1: in San France, so it was like, oh, he's a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Then he goes to Kansas City and I think Washington,

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Speaker 1: and it's like he was a really solid, good quarterback,

1085
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Speaker 1: but they didn't invest the number one overall pick in him,

1086
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Speaker 1: and so therefore there's less expectation.

1087
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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Also, and Zach and I've been this on the radio

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Speaker 1: a thousand times, but Alex Smith is part of my

1090
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Speaker 1: favorite trivia question of all time. Only once in this

1091
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: country has the number one overall selection in both the

1092
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: NFL and NBA draft come out of the same university

1093
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: in the same year, and it was Alex Smith and

1094
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: Andrew Bogan.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Bogan, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Bogot according to the Boom goes the Dynamite Guide.

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Speaker 3: But yes, well that's a good point, Jake, because where

1098
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Speaker 3: was Anthony Richardson drafted fourth overall? He had no business

1099
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 3: going forth overall? Right, let's just be real, like fifty

1100
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Speaker 3: percent completion percentage report in college started thirteen games.

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Speaker 1: And if he was a fourth round pick and they

1102
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Speaker 1: were still working with him, people'd go, yeah, that's.

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Speaker 2: Cool, that's part of it.

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Speaker 3: That's part of the infrastructure, and that's on the Colts,

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Speaker 3: but every team does it as well. Every right team

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Speaker 3: does it as well.

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Speaker 1: Zach, appreciate it as always. Man, I know you're busy.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you squeezing in in great peace on quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Zach Kiefer from the Athletic joining us on

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Speaker 1: the program.