1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: So the Democratic Party has decided that everything going wrong 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: with crime is all the fault of Republicans because they 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: have a gun loss. They're okay with people owning guns. 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: And if you just got rid of Indiana, if that's 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: the way Chicago has always said it, Illinois has always 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: said it. You heard Minnesota say if you got rid 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: of these red states, well you'd be you'd be safe 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: as can be. 9 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, good to be with you. 10 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: I despise these people with absolutely everything in me. 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: Ed Marssey joins me right now from hotair dot com. 12 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: He is the Coppo dituti coppo over there, the managing 13 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: editor of hot air dot com. This is Dick Durbin, 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: a man. He's a centator of Illinois, a man most aptly. 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: Named Ed Morssey. 16 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: I just just just be clear, as I've got some 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: lawn equipment going in the background right there. I know 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: I was gonna blame it on me, Ed, but it's you. 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: It's you, and you're gated elitism. 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: My LUN's going to look fabulous at the end of 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: this interview, Tony. 22 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: Let me, let me, let me share this, Let me 23 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: share this with you. 24 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: This is Dick Durbin blaming the issues of Chicago and 25 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: the violence of Chicago on Indiana. 26 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 2: Listen, this is CNN. 27 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 4: Now crime has been violent crime. The levels have been 28 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 4: going down in Chicago, as they have in many cities 29 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 4: across the United States, according to FBI crime statistics. 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: There's a quote that's often. 31 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 4: Attributed to former Chicago Mayor Ram Emmanuel who says it's 32 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 4: great when the numbers go down, but people don't walk around, 33 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: saying I feel twenty two percent safer. 34 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: What do you think people feel like is happening in Chicago. 35 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 4: Well, I tell you one thing. 36 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: They feel like. 37 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: They feel like they're too damn many guns in Chicago, 38 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: and they're coming in from other states like Indiana. 39 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 4: Federal government want to. 40 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: Help us stop this flow of weapons into our city 41 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: of Chicago and state of Illinois. 42 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: Now I live in Indiana, and I have very very 43 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: strong words for Senator Durbin, for Mayor Johnson, for Governor Pritzker, 44 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: and I am convinced that Senator Banks of. 45 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: Indiana, Senator Young of Indiana, the. 46 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: Governor Mike Brown, the former Senator, needs to be very 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: vocal and very loud in their faces. Just who the 48 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: hell do you think you're talking to on this subject. 49 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: But this is just part and parcel of the Democratic 50 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: Party on the subject of violence and crime and the 51 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: problem saying no, no, no, you're the problem. Everything else 52 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: is the problem except the way they do things. They 53 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: do it right. Everything else is the issue. They cannot believe, 54 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: Ed Morrissey, that this messaging is working or connecting with Americans. 55 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think it is. I think that they 56 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: think it is, but I don't think it is. I 57 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 3: think that they are living in a very well curated 58 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: bubble where this message is what all right people, all 59 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 3: right thinking people think right, It's not us, it's the 60 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: one armed men, right, It's somebody else's fault. It's always 61 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 3: somebody else this fault because progressivism is perfect, and so 62 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: any imperfections are really the fault of people who are 63 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 3: trying to undermine it. The truth is, and people in 64 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 3: Chicago have to be realizing this. The truth is is 65 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: that when you don't enforce the law, this is what happens. 66 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: Now. 67 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: Washington, d C is a great example of what you 68 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: can do with more resources, and even the mayor of Washington, 69 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: d C, who's not exactly a rib rock conservative Muriel 70 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: Bowser is not happy about the fact that the National 71 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: Guard was sent in there, but is happy with the 72 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: resources and is recognizing that all these resources are drastically 73 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: lowering crime in the city. And nobody had to seize 74 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: the guns in Maryland and Virginia for that to happen. 75 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: All you needed was resources applied and law enforced at 76 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: its most basic level. And this is broken windows policing. 77 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: We've seen it work before Rudy Giuliani at New York 78 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: City in the late nineteen eighties, early nineteen nineties, and 79 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: it had a dramatically beneficial effect. That's what we're seeing 80 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: Washington DC over the last three or four weeks is 81 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: that you've got a flood of resources on the streets 82 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: that are keeping people from committing crimes and escalating into 83 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 3: more serious crimes. I mean, this is absurd, and the 84 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: problem is that this normally works, except now that Trump 85 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: has this example in Washington, DC to show, to show 86 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: you know that they're lying that basically this is nonsense 87 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 3: and they have to somehow match those results without using 88 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: Trump's policies to do it, and they're never going to 89 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: be able to do it, and they're painted into a 90 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 3: corner as a result. 91 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: And now I get into JB. Pritzker, the governor who 92 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: talking about you know, as you're talking about Maria Bouser, 93 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: the mayor of d C. Like the resources, don't like 94 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: the strategy. It's almost as if Pritzker is trying to 95 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: play into that playbook. 96 00:04:58,560 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: Listen, I have the rug. 97 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 5: Out from underneath me. When execution meets reality. I refuse 98 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 5: to play a reality game show with Donald Trump again. 99 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 5: What I want are the federal dollars that have been 100 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 5: promised to Illinois and Chicago for violence prevention programs that 101 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 5: have proven to work. That is money that Illinois taxpayers 102 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 5: send to the federal government. And it's an insult to 103 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 5: any and every citizen to suggest that any governor should 104 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 5: have to beg the president of any political party for 105 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 5: resources owed their people. 106 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: Now I think it's kind of rich to hear JB. 107 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: Pritzker say you owe us this money that we pay 108 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: you in taxes. I can make that argument about a 109 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: million different things, and Democrats will laugh me out of 110 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: the room, thinking that somehow I deserve my own money. 111 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: And it's also an argument against paying taxes. Why not 112 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: just give it to the state. 113 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 2: Why do you have to give it to the federal 114 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: government and then beg back for it. 115 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: That's been a conservative argument on a great number of 116 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: issues for years now. But he seems to be saying 117 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: that if you give us the dollars, we can take 118 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: care of this. And then he goes into a conversation 119 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: about violence prevention program. I don't actually know what that is, 120 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: but he seems to be tiptoeing around the idea that 121 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: we don't mind the resources, we don't mind the push. 122 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 2: Of even the people. What is it that they're claiming 123 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: they actually mind in this case. 124 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 3: The national Guard. They don't want the National Guard on 125 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: the streets. And look, Pritzker can block that because it 126 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 3: requires you know, Washington, DC is a federal jurisdiction. So 127 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: Trump can just order the National Guard into the streets there. 128 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: That's a federal jurisdiction. Trump has that authority. He doesn't 129 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: have that authority in Chicago, New York. You know, the 130 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: only thing that he can use the National Guard for 131 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: in those cases is to protect federal property and federal 132 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 3: agents who are doing jurisdiction appropriate work in those in 133 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 3: those cities, and that's what he did. In Los Angeles, 134 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 3: he didn't send the National Guard in there to enforce 135 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: the state and local laws. He sent them in there 136 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: to protect federal agents who are enforcing federal laws. So 137 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: Pritzker can keep it from happening, and Prinzgre's going to 138 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: keep it from happening. He doesn't want the National Guard 139 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: in Chicago. Well, that's fine and dandy, but he also 140 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: doesn't want to cooperate with IC on immigration enforcement, which 141 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: is the reason why those resources are being held back 142 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: from Chicago is because they are blocking IC from being 143 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: able to enforce federal law in Chicago, which they have 144 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: the jurisdiction to do and don't need Printzker's permission to 145 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: do it. So as long as they're as long as 146 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: they're doing that, Trump has said, you're not going to 147 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: get federal resources from us because you're blocking us from 148 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 3: doing our jobs, and they don't like that. Now, the 149 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,679 Speaker 3: dirty little secret here is that they have been getting 150 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: those money. They got tons of federal funding from the 151 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: Biden administration. 152 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: It didn't do anything. 153 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: For crime, right that wasn't already happening on a national 154 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: basis anyway, Because when you hear that crime is down 155 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,559 Speaker 3: twenty two percent, it's from the peak in twenty twenty 156 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: that they're talking about during the pandemic, during all the riots, 157 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: during all that eye on the police nonsense. 158 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: I made this point to somebody on my morning show 159 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: earlier today. Why is it the left is always claiming 160 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: that crime is down? Is this true? And you could 161 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: say yes, based on the data, crime in certain areas 162 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: and certain subjects is down, But you're not discussing the 163 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: three thousand percent increase in crime that took place over 164 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: the last few years. If it's down five percent, don't 165 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: tell us it's down. And I do think that that 166 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: Ramammanuel line is very interesting. I don't feel twenty two 167 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: percent safer. It's actually a very very smart approach to 168 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: the conversation. It's a binary thing. You either feel safe 169 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: or you do not feel safe. Either women are the 170 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: only ones who can get pregnant, or women are the 171 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: only ones who can get pregnant. Again, it's binary. It's 172 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: the way that one works. But I go back to 173 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: this idea of how does the left think that this 174 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: is working for them? Because you and I had this 175 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: discussion last week. These people are not dumb, but they 176 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: have chosen to be against the idea of enforcing the 177 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: law and cleaning up their own cities. Wouldn't the better 178 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: approach be, mister President, we've got a problem here, it's 179 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,599 Speaker 1: for sure, and we would love your help, and this 180 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: this and this area. Don't send this, but send this, 181 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: and together we can clean it up and show real bipartisanship. 182 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: What do you say Trump would do it? Would he 183 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: would engage. This is the stuff he lives for in 184 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: that regard, And no one yet on the political left 185 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: can do it, because that would be to admit that 186 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: their system of a lack of policing and then coupled 187 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: with a lack of prosecution never benefited. It was all ideological, 188 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: and so they until they admit they can't actually succeed. 189 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: But when they go down. 190 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: This road of no, no, no, we don't have a 191 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: problem here, there's no way it connects with anybody who 192 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: is already an ideologue living in the suburbs in a 193 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: gated community having their lawn taken care of like you. 194 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I also like to sip on cocktails 195 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: and chat about proosts. You know, it's totally me. You've 196 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: got me nailed, Tony. I don't know what to tell you. 197 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: The reason why. The short answer to your question is 198 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: that the only thing that Democrats stand for right now 199 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: is opposing Trump. So anything that Trump does, they automatically 200 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 3: need jer composed. Doesn't matter what it is. Trump could 201 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: come out and say water is great, and they would 202 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 3: tell you all the different ways in which water is 203 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 3: insufficient for whatever it is that you're trying to do. 204 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: You know, he could say that the sky is blue, 205 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: and you'd have a whole literal rainbow of commentary coming 206 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 3: out and saying, well, actually it's purple in some instances 207 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: an orange, and I mean, it's it's absurd. They don't 208 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 3: stand for anything. They don't stand for good governance. The 209 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: only thing they stand for is that Donald Trump is 210 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: a big meaning he's a threat to us, and we 211 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 3: have to oppose him by all means necessary on every 212 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: single thing he does. Bauser actually has the right idea, 213 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: get the benefit from it, take some credit for it, 214 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 3: for cooperating while still complaining about the fact that Trump, 215 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: I mean, that's actually smart. She's actually chosen the smartest 216 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: possible path, and she's probably gonna benefit from that in 217 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: the long run. Certainly, I think Trump has lightened up 218 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: on her somewhat oh so, so she's done going through 219 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: that type of stuff anyway. But that's actually a smart 220 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: thing to do. You're right, what you just said was right. 221 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 3: Why don't you send in five hundred National Guard troops 222 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 3: because we're short on police officers. While we do some recruiting, 223 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: we can have the national Guard do some, you know, 224 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: some of the lower level stuff so that the police 225 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: officers we do have can be out in force and 226 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: for seeing the law. Now, the reason why that would 227 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: be smart is it would look like you're getting the resources, 228 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: you're cooperating with Trump, But it doesn't mean that you 229 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: have to have to change your policing policies. If you 230 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: did that, you could still do the same stupid policing 231 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: policies and then claim later that it didn't really make 232 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: any difference to have the National Guard in the city. 233 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: I mean, there's all sorts of different ways you could 234 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: play that. That's the most cynical way you could play that. 235 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 3: The other thing would be to recognize that you're not 236 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 3: providing good governance because people are afraid to go out 237 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 3: of their homes in the cities that you control, and 238 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 3: that you actually want to govern will and protect people 239 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: and want the resources to do that while you build, 240 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 3: you know, other paths to deliver the same product. The 241 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: issue is that they're not going to do any of that. 242 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: Those cities are going to continue to be dangerous, deadly fatal, 243 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: while Washington and DC improves, and the contrast will not 244 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: be lost on people across the country. 245 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: And that's just it. 246 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: The you know, we may think of democratic policies as 247 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: and ignorant, and people may in the passing call it, 248 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: call them dumb, call it dumb. 249 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 2: But you have to just accept these are not dumb people. 250 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: They're trying to win, they're trying to be victorious, they're 251 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: trying to keep their power, and in every situation they're 252 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: moving in a way that guarantees that they won't And 253 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: as somebody who's an observer, you're left wondering, why do 254 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: they keep doing it? Your argument is they have nothing 255 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: so that they can talk about. I don't disagree, but 256 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: usually you invent something, and every single time they turn, 257 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: they only invent something that guarantees their failure. And that's insane. 258 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: As a matter of just sheer political observation, none of 259 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: this makes any sense for them. And so I take 260 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: a look at Shumer and I take a look at 261 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: a keem Jeffries, and I ask the question ed Marcy, 262 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: when do the Democrats get rid of these losers who 263 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: are not wartime consigli as. 264 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: They are not Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. 265 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: These guys can't fight, they don't know how to fight, 266 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: and they're gonna need some new leadership if they're going 267 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: to at least try. 268 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: Well. I think raw Emmanuel will probably be one of 269 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: the good one of the guys to turn to. And 270 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily a big Emmanual fan, but he's smart 271 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: and he's practical, two things that Democrats really aren't at 272 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: the moment. They're not They're neither smart nor practical. They're 273 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: obsessed with Trump and it has led them down this 274 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: primrose path to just absolute delusion. The big thing today 275 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: is CNN is talking about Democrats are worried that Trump 276 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: is going to cancel the election. Why no reason. In 277 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: part it's because he sent the National Guard into Washington, DC. 278 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: And it has nothing to do with elections. Right, if 279 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: Trump was going to cancel the election, it would have 280 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: been in twenty twenty when you had riots in the streets. 281 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: You know that this is all that stuff. This is 282 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: not a small talking point. This has been Oh he 283 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: Trump's got another reason for this. Trump's got other visions 284 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: in mind. Trump does want to take control of the 285 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: twenty sixth election. He doesn't want you to be. 286 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: Able to vote. 287 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: You've got I believe it's Gavin Newsom saying it. You 288 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: had Lorie Lightfoot, the former mayor of Chicago saying it. 289 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: This is their new talking point. And so to your point, 290 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: you're right, they have nothing else except hate Trump and 291 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: Rob Manual is an interesting choice and a pick, but 292 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: they need new leadership because they have none. Ed Morrissey, 293 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: hotair dot Com. I appreciate you taking the time to 294 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: be with us more to get to I'm Tony Katz. 295 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: This is Tony Kats today. 296 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: No one cares that you've got all these roadblocks to 297 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: giving us the Epstein files. 298 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: Just give us the Epstein files and. 299 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: Stop telling us about how you're going to work to 300 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: get us the Epstein files, and get us the Epstein files. 301 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: All we want to know is who was on the 302 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: island with Jeffrey Epstein and whether or not we should 303 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: be filing charges against them for engaging in any type 304 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: of illsted activity with children. If we're not a society 305 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: that's gonna protect children, we're not a society at all. 306 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: That's it. 307 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you. 308 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: I said it then and I'll say it now. The 309 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: people who said, well, President Trump said it doesn't matter, 310 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: So why are you paying attention to it? It's just 311 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: the left wine to talk about it. Why are you 312 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: talking about it? Those people were wrong, very wrong. And 313 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: I know they were on the political right and their 314 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: influencers and this and that. You can either be honest 315 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: or you could be Trump's favorite. That's all there is 316 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: to it. I think I can be respectful President Trump 317 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: and admit when he makes a mistake not wanting to 318 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: release the Epstein stuff, trying to say it doesn't matter, 319 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: that was a mistake. Ed Morrissey joins me right now 320 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: of hotair dot com, where he is the Kapo ditwoty 321 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: coppo over there. You have got the story. If an 322 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: Epstein file drops in a media forest doesn't. 323 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: Make a sound. 324 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: We have got the house now under James Comer saying 325 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: that they are finally, at long last, going to make 326 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: the Epstein files public. 327 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: This is this is the plan. 328 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: There it is right there, Hou's plans to make Epstein 329 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: files public. Is this uh, is this exactly what should 330 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: be happening, or is this, in your view much ado 331 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: about nothing. 332 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: Both? 333 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, the problem here is that some of 334 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 3: this stuff is just not going to be releasable, right, 335 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 3: I mean, some of this stuff is wrapped up in 336 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 3: evidence that contains images of you know, underage sexual activity, 337 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 3: which is never going to be released. To the extent 338 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 3: that you have an investigation that produces information on people 339 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 3: who aren't going to be charged for whatever reason, it's 340 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 3: inappropriate to release that information because if you're going to 341 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: if you're going to release that information, it should come 342 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: in the form of an indictment, at least if you're 343 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: law enforcement. Now Congress has somewhat different rules, but it 344 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 3: still has the same impact. So if we want to 345 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: have these things fully out in the open, we're going 346 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: to have to admit to ourselves that basically what we're 347 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: doing is exposing a lot of things that may not 348 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: be corroborated, that may not actually be evidence, that could 349 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 3: be hearsay, that could do a lot of damage to 350 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 3: people who may or may not deserve it. Right, This 351 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: is the reason why grand jury transcripts are kept sealed, 352 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 3: and we already have two federal judges reminding the Department 353 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 3: of Justice of that fact. The Department of Justice went 354 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: to the two federal judges controlling the grand jury transcripts 355 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 3: of both grand jury investigations of Epstein and asked to 356 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 3: have them released, and both judges said no for two reasons. 357 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: One is that Glaine Maxwell still has an appeal before 358 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. There is at least a possibility that 359 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court could order a new trial for her. Now, 360 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: I think it's unlikely because I think that the conviction 361 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 3: was solid. I don't think they're going to do that. 362 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 3: But until the Supreme Court actually decides that the grand 363 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 3: jury testimony really can't released the public because to be prejudicial, 364 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: you basically wouldn't be able to retry her at all. 365 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 3: And there's questions already whether or not she was able 366 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 3: to get a fair trial in the first place because 367 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 3: of all of the publicity that was going on for 368 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 3: her trial. And I don't think the Supreme Court is 369 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 3: going to overturn it on those grounds. But if you're 370 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 3: releasing the grand jury testimony ahead of another trial, yeah, 371 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 3: I think you're going to have a real problem with 372 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: that when it gets into the Pelots thing. But the 373 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 3: second reason is that judges don't release grand jury testimony 374 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 3: for the reason that a lot of that testimony is 375 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 3: not corroborated. A lot of it turns out to be 376 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: here sand rumors, which is acceptable at a grand jury process, 377 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 3: but not in a trial. So I don't release that 378 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 3: information could. 379 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: Do a lot of damage. 380 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: I don't think that you're wrong that a release of 381 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: information could do some damage. But let me go the 382 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: other way with why I am someone who says you 383 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: have to release everything that you can. This right here 384 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: is the New York Post new video showing missing minute 385 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: from Jeffrey Epstein's cell his jail cell on his last night, 386 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: contradicts the DJ's explanation. So this is about the idea 387 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: that the Department of Justice showed us this video of 388 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: his cell. See nothing happened, No went in Nona. He 389 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: took his own life. And then people who are they 390 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: have much more free time than you and me at Marcy. 391 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 2: They indeed, oh my god, those loose clues. 392 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: These people read their hardy boys and their Nancy Drew. 393 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: These people are Sleepyclopedia Brown, Encyclopedia Brown, and Smart Susie Sunset. 394 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: My friend, they are all over, by the way, how 395 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: old are we? 396 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: Encyclopedia Borrow and Smart Susie Sunset on the case, they've 397 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: been doing this going over and they're like, wait, there's 398 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: a minute missing here, there's a minute missing there. And 399 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: then Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, said well, that's because 400 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: the tape recycles and so it stops a minute before. 401 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: But they found the minute in this release of over 402 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: thirty three thousand things from James Comer and House Oversight. 403 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 1: Every single time they say well this is this, people 404 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: who are just average Americans are able to do the 405 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: slewt thing to say well, wait, this isn't right. 406 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 2: And when that happens, it is obvious. 407 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: That people are not sharing a full story in its 408 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: entirety to the extent possible, and that to me signals 409 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: that they have to release everything. They're the ones holding back. 410 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: Pam Bondi did this to herself. President Trump did this 411 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: to her himself, and it drives me nuts. 412 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: But they did it, and I'm not on. 413 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: The side of them being able to say you don't 414 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: get to see it. 415 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: I agree. I agree with I agree with part about 416 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 3: Pambondi and Donald Trump, right, they opened this Pandora's box 417 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 3: all over again. They didn't need to do that. It 418 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 3: was stupid. However, I think the part that you're talking 419 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: about was from the DOJ during the Bill Barr era. 420 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: They were just reviewing the evidence at that the Department 421 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 3: of Justice had from that period. Don't forget that Bill 422 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: Barr did a complete investigation of the Epstein death and 423 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: concluded that it was suicide. And I suspect that that's 424 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 3: exactly where that evidence came from. And if there's a 425 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: missing minute in there, I suspect that that's where the 426 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 3: missing minute took place, not in the last few months, 427 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: because Bill Barr, again they did a complete investment. It 428 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 3: supposedly did a complete investigation. Bill Barr came out and 429 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 3: said he committed suicide. That's that's the end of the story. 430 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: So the missing minute thing probably goes back a few years. 431 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: It probably goes back to the time that Epstein died, 432 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: and whether or not the DJ actually caught that or 433 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 3: knew about it. There's all sorts of reasons to do 434 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 3: to look at the investigation. What I'm saying, though, is 435 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 3: that what that's not what people are looking for. They're 436 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 3: not looking to hold Bill Barr accountable or a merrit 437 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: Garland accountable. They want to drag a bunch of you are. 438 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: But what politically speaking, what people want to do is 439 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: they want to find politicians whose names were in there 440 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 3: so that they could so that they can conduct a 441 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 3: smare campaign against them. For people like Alan Dershowitz, whose 442 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: name does appear in those records but didn't do anything. 443 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 3: And Alan Dershowitz it took him months to finally get 444 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 3: Virginia Giuffrey to admit that her recollection wasn't very good 445 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: on this point, and he's the one who's in fairness. 446 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 3: Dershowitz is saying, well, we need to release all of 447 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 3: it so that people can understand the context in which 448 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: people's names appear in this. But I don't necessarily know 449 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 3: that the victims, in all of the victims at least 450 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: want that accountability either. For the most part, they are 451 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 3: anonymous right now, let me Thomas Massey, and it's going 452 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 3: to drag a few of them up to the DAIS 453 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: and if they want to come forward, that's fine, But 454 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: they're not the only people who might be impacted by 455 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: this hold. 456 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: On one thing, I'm going to stop. It is a cluster. 457 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: You're talking about Thomas Massey and Rokahanna who want to 458 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: do this talking to m R Yeah of hot air 459 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: dot com at marscy joined us. Rokahanna part of the 460 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: Progressive Caucus, Thomas Massy the sole member of the Liberty 461 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: Harry and Caucus in the House. 462 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: That's me saying that there. 463 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: I assume I'm I'm accurate, so understand Ed's point. Guys 464 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: that he is making a point that I agree with 465 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: and a point that drives me nuts. There are indeed 466 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: innocent people inside these files. That's true. That is just 467 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: fact that they're mentioned. Doesn't mean that they did anything wrong. 468 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: That they knew Jeffrey Epstein doesn't mean they did anything wrong. 469 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: That they had dinner with them. There's a famous story 470 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: about him getting out of jail and he had dinner 471 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: in New York. And George Stephanopolis is there at Chelsea 472 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: Handler is there. There's a whole host of celebrities there. 473 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean they were on the island engaged with 474 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: young children. It's they may be awful, but it doesn't 475 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: mean that. But I'm telling you right now, I absolutely 476 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: hold Bill Barr responsible. Bill Barr should be held responsible 477 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: for the death of Jeffrey Epstein. He knew Jeffrey Epstein 478 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: was suicidal, he knew people would be going after him, 479 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: he knew people'd be watching. And you don't have twenty 480 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: seven guards in the cell outside the cell, Well, that 481 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: is a level of a lack of professionalism. That's a 482 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: level of I'm not sure exactly what incompetence there you go. 483 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: That should be prosecutable in my view, and I just 484 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: want to make sure you understand where I am coming from. 485 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: But the point you make about people in these files, 486 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: they're not guilty, they didn't do anything wrong, and it's 487 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: going to be used against them. That is a very 488 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: very good point, and it is one that is not 489 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: when I hit on often. But I do agree with 490 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: that that is a problem. I do not know if 491 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: that is enough to say we don't know what happened. 492 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: I still argue that the files, to the extent all 493 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: of them can be released. They should be released. 494 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 3: So the problem with that is this is that this 495 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 3: is not the way that the Department of Justice or 496 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 3: any prosecutor's office works. When you do an investigation, especially 497 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 3: a federal investigation. The Department of Justice doesn't release information 498 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 3: on people who who are not going to be charged, 499 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 3: and there's a reason. It's good reason for that. And 500 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 3: the reason why people are trying to force this out 501 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 3: is not because necessarily that they're seeking justice. It's because 502 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 3: they're looking both sides. Everybody, Republicans, Democrats, the few libertarians 503 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: that there are are looking for dirt on people on 504 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 3: their political opponents. 505 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: And that's what this is. 506 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: This whole thing has become a grossly politicized issue. The 507 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 3: Department of Justice should have charged this guy right off 508 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: the bat what was at twenty eleven. Instead, they sort 509 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 3: of let him off the hook, gave him home detention, 510 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: and that was a deal that was cut. I can't 511 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 3: remember the guy who was the Trump Cabinet secretary in 512 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 3: the first term, but he was the guy that cut 513 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 3: that deal and ended up having to resign when he 514 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 3: came out when his role in that came out. They 515 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: came back and prosecuted him again and basically were able 516 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: to create a case that did involve some of the 517 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 3: other people around them, because apparently they couldn't prove that 518 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 3: and some of the people who would have been charged 519 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: were actually victims of Epstein's predatory behavior. In the first place. 520 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 3: He groomed them, and he turned them into recruiters. And 521 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 3: so a number of the people who would have been 522 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 3: charged in extended prosecutions of this would have been some 523 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 3: of the girls that he initially he and Maxwell initially recruited. 524 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 2: It's not easy to do this type of thing. 525 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 3: And if you don't have a case to resent before 526 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: a grand jury, or or if a grand jury simply 527 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 3: won't indict, then that information really shouldn't be released. Ethically speaking, 528 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 3: that information should remain sealed because it is because it 529 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 3: does damage. That's where you start running into people using 530 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 3: the process to punish people rather than allowing them to 531 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 3: allowing them due process. There's no due process in that 532 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 3: type of release. There's no form in which so let's 533 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: just say, you know, John Appleseed, a bad choice of 534 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 3: names is named in that and is and is suggested 535 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: that he committed uh, you know, sex trafficking with minor 536 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 3: girls in this. But they don't have the evidence to 537 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 3: bring him to trial. Well, where does he go to 538 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 3: challenge that evidence. There's no trial, There's there's no there's 539 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 3: not even a hearing. They've just simply released this allegation 540 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 3: and provide him no forum for for due process to 541 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 3: test the government's case. And I think it's more important 542 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 3: to protect that due process than it is to nail 543 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: some some fringe characters who are associated with this Epstein case, 544 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 3: primarily because a lot of people want to make political 545 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: targets out of them. Well, I want to make they 546 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 3: should have been prosecuted up front, if there was evidence 547 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: for it, they should have been prosecuted up front. 548 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 2: And I want to miss So that's not the motivation. 549 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: Just one more time. I think your argument is sound. 550 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if many people have heard it. 551 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: And it is certainly sound to say, we don't tell people, well, 552 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: you have to suffer at the hands of a judicial 553 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: system when you've done nothing wrong and you have no recourse. 554 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: Right, we don't. That isn't who we are. We are 555 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: not showing the man. I'll show you the crime. 556 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 3: We are not. 557 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: Well, that's your problem. They told us there were things 558 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: in here. We know there are things in here. We 559 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: know that children were abused, and I have a very 560 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: hard time with abusers being able to walk free. And 561 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: I have a very hard time as many people do 562 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: with the idea of a two tiered justice system that 563 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: because you've got some oler power, et cetera, that somehow 564 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: you get away with us. This simply doesn't work. Edmarrisseyhotair 565 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: dot Com. I appreciate you being. 566 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: With us this whole video, I should say, this whole interview. 567 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: We've got the video. It'll be up there on the 568 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Just look for Tony Katz and of course 569 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: Tony kats dot Com were to get to you guys. 570 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 2: This is Tony Kats today.