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Speaker 1: You're rocking with the most Submissive the Carl Nelson Show.

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Speaker 2: Yourself and Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your

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Speaker 2: Tuesday with us. Later, Baba la Mumba from a Moja

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Speaker 2: house in Washington, d C. Will check into our classroom.

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Speaker 2: Baba la Bumba always always provides us with some thought

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Speaker 2: provoking topics to discuss. This time around, Baba la Bomba

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Speaker 2: will break down the contrast between the assimilation seeking civil

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Speaker 2: rights movement and the Black Powers and the Nation of

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Speaker 2: Islam fight for total independence. But before Baba la Mumba,

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Speaker 2: Baltimore civil rights activist Karl Snorton will update us on

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Speaker 2: a project honoring Malcolm X also discuss the vacuum in

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Speaker 2: the civil rights women caused by the death of the

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Speaker 2: Reverend Jesse Jackson. But you get a started moment, Hella.

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Speaker 2: We'll checking with astronumrologist and author Kimberly Williams. But first

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Speaker 2: let's get Kevin to reopen these classroom doors. On this

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Speaker 2: Tuesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Indeed, come Nelson.

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Speaker 3: It's a two cup Tuesday, and I'm talking about my

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Speaker 3: second cup of coffee here today Today happens to be

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Speaker 3: the twenty fourth of March. And I tell you it's

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Speaker 3: interesting the way the weather works.

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Speaker 1: Man. Yesterday it was super warm this time of day,

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Speaker 1: and the day you.

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Speaker 3: Better buckle up your overcoat, taken care of yourself.

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Speaker 1: How you feeling, Carl?

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Speaker 2: I'm still learning, Kevin. I know we're going to learn

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Speaker 2: a lot from our guests this morning.

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Speaker 1: As you learn, so you earn.

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Speaker 3: And they say wisdom comes with age, and then sometimes

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Speaker 3: age comes off by itself.

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Speaker 2: So he's always comes by itself.

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Speaker 3: He always goes no man, Sometimes you can gain some

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Speaker 3: wisdom from, you know, putting your hand on the stove

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Speaker 3: or something. It's just my humble opinion. Though, Now what

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Speaker 3: about the presidents saying my bad? I was just blaming.

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Speaker 3: He tackled again, and this time and I ran sparking

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Speaker 3: at one point seven trillion dollar stock market rally in minutes,

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Speaker 3: even as peace talks are in question.

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Speaker 1: And explain that, will you?

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Speaker 3: How can he just say something and change the stock market?

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Speaker 1: Is he manipulating?

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Speaker 2: Or of course is it's just inside of trading. His

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Speaker 2: people in our wall streets figured out there's people who

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Speaker 2: work for him. Though he's gonna tap out, so they

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Speaker 2: do that, and they get involved in the stocks and

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Speaker 2: make a bunch of money. He'll say something and the

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Speaker 2: market goes down. They rushing and they buy the stocks

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Speaker 2: at a discounted prices, and then they know a few

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Speaker 2: hours he's going to change she's mine and the stocks

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Speaker 2: are going to go up. And so they made a

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Speaker 2: bunch of money. So they do that, and.

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Speaker 1: So there's no way to control that.

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Speaker 3: There's no way to say, mister President, you gotta either,

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Speaker 3: you know, let your yea be yay and your naybna

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Speaker 3: or stop talking on the you know.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, you know what people say, that's

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Speaker 2: just Donald being Donald. You know say I have an

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Speaker 2: excuse for it, you know, like that's boys being boys.

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Speaker 2: That's just Donald being Donald. Don't take it seriously. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you guys are making money on it. And the

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Speaker 2: wall streets figured it out as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So, according to Fortune website, anytime it takes the

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Speaker 3: walk from the car to your desk, President Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: added that one point seven trillion to the stocks and

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Speaker 3: guess a barrel, or approximately fifteen percent. And then by

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Speaker 3: Ran had reportedly called him a liar, and half those

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Speaker 3: And so is Iran in on the game too. They

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Speaker 2: The well they're accusing they're accusing him of manipulating the stocks.

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Speaker 2: You know, they figured it out. It says that that

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Speaker 2: of the United States of the Iranians?

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Speaker 1: Wow, I see what you're saying. What is it? The

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Speaker 1: lesser of two evils? What is that?

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Speaker 2: You're still choosing evil?

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Speaker 1: Right? Right?

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Speaker 2: But who says the Iranians evil? You know, part of

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Speaker 2: the problem is came and we never look at it

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Speaker 2: We say from the administration's point of view. Yeah, if

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Speaker 3: The from the media, the media, Yeah right, Oh, I see.

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Speaker 1: And so what's the answer to that? Then?

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Speaker 2: Who do you listen to that? You've got to look

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Speaker 2: at both sides, you know your research. Yeah, you got

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Speaker 2: who do you believe? Rand says that they taught you know,

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Speaker 1: Oh wow. Well.

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Speaker 3: In other news, the airstrikes may have destroyed Iran's last

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Speaker 3: F fourteen, ending a long saga. The F fourteen is

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Speaker 3: the plane that was used in the movie Top Gun

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Speaker 3: been keeping a close eye on satellite photos and videos

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Speaker 3: just a little backstory the way that they even ended

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Speaker 3: up with it. The twin Engines swing wing F fourteen

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Speaker 3: And that's like in Top Gun the guy that sat

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Speaker 3: and that's where General Carol was sitting. And in nineteen

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Speaker 3: selling their F fourteens back to the US, but now

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Speaker 2: Any thoughts, Yeah, how much it costs to make that?

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Speaker 2: because it's been destroyed. Okay, just make another one. That's

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Speaker 2: what That's what I'm thinking that money right there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but somebody bought it. Somebody paid for it.

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Speaker 3: I Ran bought them and yeah, and then Iran it

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Speaker 1: I guess I messed that story up. Is that what

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Speaker 3: Rubio is going to testify and trial of a former

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Speaker 3: The federal trial of former Miami congressmen accused of secretly

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Speaker 3: his interactions with his old friends. Prosecutors alleged that David

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Speaker 3: leveraging Republican connections from his time in Congress to push

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Speaker 3: who at one time had been Rubio's roommate in Florida,

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Speaker 3: what that stands for. As part of the alleged foreign

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Speaker 1: And what does that tell.

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Speaker 2: You, Carl, It tells you how complicit. Mark Rubio, that's

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Speaker 2: they would go back to the Venezuela and say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we can help you with whatever you want to do,

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Speaker 2: but it's gonna cost you five million dollars. And so

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Speaker 2: the Venezuelans would write the check because they wanted to

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Speaker 2: you know, not through the proper channels. It's probably this

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Speaker 2: that's that's the deal. And and Mark Rubio was was

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Speaker 2: you know, they wanted something done. And this is what

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Speaker 2: this trial's all about.

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Speaker 1: Well, they say that.

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Speaker 3: The fifty million dollar contract was focused exclusively on luring

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Speaker 3: But it's highly unusual and the fact that Rubio isn't charged,

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Speaker 3: and there's no indication in the indictment that he acted

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Speaker 1: But uh uh uh, never mind. Apparently you know in

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Speaker 2: Well before you go on, we'll see, we'll see if

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Speaker 2: That's what people are going to be looking for.

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Speaker 1: It, right, Yeah, that's what's gonna happen. The U.

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Speaker 3: S Supreme Court rules in favor of officers accused of

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Speaker 3: and those two cases concerned police officers using excessive force

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Speaker 3: when responding to domestic disturbances. In one, the officers used

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Speaker 3: the second officers shot and killed the suspect after he

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Speaker 3: approached them while raising a hammer. Both decisions the court

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Speaker 3: issued Monday were unsigned. No justices dissented. Qualified immunity refers

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Speaker 3: is this The Posse's going wild.

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Speaker 2: Carl, Yeah, no, it just confirms her. We all knew about,

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Speaker 2: you know, those two kinds of justice. But what's more

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Speaker 1: But your Justice is Sonya.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is. That's telling that the whole story

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Speaker 3: Because well, this is a woman's history month or so

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Speaker 1: There you go, Kyle, That's the way it is.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Kevin, interesting about Angela James A great story. Eight

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Speaker 2: We had another brilliant sister joined us right now, Kimberly Williams,

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, Welcome to the.

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Speaker 2: Kimberly is an astro numerologist and she's also an author.

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Speaker 6: That's a great question, Carl, thank you for asking it.

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Speaker 2: And that's the time of your book, right, The Business

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's the name of my book. The Business of

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Speaker 2: So with numerology aftra neurologia. Usual for the average person,

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Speaker 2: waking up. I guess that's Kimberly Williams. C's astronumerologist. She's

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's exactly like that. Just as the individual has

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Speaker 2: So give us an idea how it works. Give us

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Speaker 6: Okay, when using numerology, numerology helps you align with the

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Speaker 2: But what if you have you have a concert, we

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Speaker 6: That's where I come in that I help people that

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Speaker 2: All right, family, just waking up A twenty five at

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Speaker 2: Kind of like Dan Warrick when she added that E

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Speaker 2: Because she I think I think that's what she's astrology

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Speaker 2: All right, it gives it gives the the the numbers.

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Speaker 2: I've got one of our call us, a Gale called

439
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Speaker 2: in and she says her birthday is ten thirty one

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Speaker 2: fifty six, and give us what would for her? What

441
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: sort of And she's in business, so she want to

442
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Speaker 2: tell what the business is, but what kind of business?

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Speaker 2: If could you help her by telling what kind of

444
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: business she should go into by knowing those numbers?

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Speaker 6: Yes, and you said the numbers are ten thirty one, yeah,

446
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 6: nineteen fifty six, Okay. Being born on the thirty first

447
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 6: makes her a four. This means that she's a master builder.

448
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Speaker 6: She would do well going into anything that's related to finance.

449
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Speaker 6: She would also do well in areas that require planning

450
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Speaker 6: or strategic building. It could be anything as far as

451
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Speaker 6: real estate or something like that. She can build strategies

452
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Speaker 6: for people. She may be the consultant for other people.

453
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Speaker 6: Things like that would be great for her birthday and

454
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Speaker 6: her numbers are the four, one, and nine. So if

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Speaker 6: she were to start a business, then she would or

456
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Speaker 6: since she already has a business, the best days for

457
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Speaker 6: her business to do anything such as sign contracts or

458
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Speaker 6: to set appointments would be on dates that add to

459
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Speaker 6: a four of one or nine, or days such as

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Speaker 6: Sunday or Tuesday. And also she would be a good

461
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Speaker 6: numerologist being born on the four.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Well, hopefully Gail hit us back and tell

463
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Speaker 2: us if Kimberly is on the money family twenty nine

464
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Speaker 2: minutes away from the top day. I was just checking in.

465
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Speaker 2: I guess it's Kimberly Williams or she just text her

466
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Speaker 2: says yes to Kimberly Williams. Kim Bily Williams is our guess.

467
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Speaker 2: Family twenty nine away from the top of and Kimberly

468
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Speaker 2: is an astronumerologist and what they do they do readings,

469
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Speaker 2: but she just it on the business side. So you're

470
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Speaker 2: thinking about getting to a business. Uh, you know this

471
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Speaker 2: is a lady you need to talk to. You give

472
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Speaker 2: me your birthday and your name. Does it matter where

473
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Speaker 2: you're born or what time you're born, or does that

474
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Speaker 2: make it more accurate? Kim believe.

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Speaker 6: No, that's the beauty about numerology. You don't need the

476
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Speaker 6: time of the time of the birth or the area

477
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Speaker 6: that you were born in. As long as I have

478
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Speaker 6: the birthday, I'm good.

479
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Speaker 2: Who invented this astronumerology do you know?

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Speaker 6: No, not not particularly, but the it's an ancient science

481
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Speaker 6: and it traces back to ancient Egypt. So there are

482
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Speaker 6: other people that have said that they were the father

483
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Speaker 6: of astronumerologists, such as patagonists, But patagonists learned it in

484
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Speaker 6: ancient Egypt.

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Speaker 7: So this is where the.

486
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Speaker 6: Science comes from. And I call her the science because

487
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 6: it is the science. It's accurate, and despite what people say,

488
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 6: it is something that will guide you because it is

489
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Speaker 6: very accurate and real.

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Speaker 2: Twenty eight away from the top of you know, Ronald

491
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Speaker 2: Reagan's wife believe in astrology, and people thought that she

492
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Speaker 2: was running the country through astrology because she always, you know, uh,

493
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Speaker 2: checked with her astrologists. We're making moves, and she had

494
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Speaker 2: a lot of influences, especially in the waning days of

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Speaker 2: his presidency. Have to have the the I guess the

496
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Speaker 2: assassination attempt. She was using astrology to make decisions for

497
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Speaker 2: the country through the White House and people were, you know, saying, hey,

498
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Speaker 2: this is a guess and this is not science, this

499
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Speaker 2: is not accurate. But from where you stand, knowing what

500
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Speaker 2: you do, how close was she do you think that

501
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: she was? She was making the right decisions back then.

502
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Speaker 2: I can't recall some of the decisions she made or

503
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Speaker 2: influenced Ronald Reagan to make be as president. But do

504
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Speaker 2: you think that they were on the right tip back then?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

506
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Speaker 9: They were.

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Speaker 6: And I'll tell you something else. I was listening to

508
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 6: what you were talking about earlier before I came on.

509
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 6: You were talking about Donald Trump and the interesting thing

510
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 6: about what's happening in the world or in our country

511
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Speaker 6: now as we know it. He is born on June

512
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Speaker 6: the fourteenth, and his opposition number or his challenge number,

513
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Speaker 6: is a three. And this year he's going through a

514
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Speaker 6: three year cycle. And not only that, our country in

515
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 6: the United States, is also going through a three cycle.

516
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Speaker 4: So this and what does that mean?

517
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Speaker 2: Before you go out what you're saying a three cycle,

518
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: we don't know numbers. So what does that mean?

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Speaker 6: Okay, So what a three cycle means? When I look

520
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Speaker 6: at the cycle? We look at first the year that

521
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Speaker 6: we're in. We're in twenty twenty six. When you add

522
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Speaker 6: two plus zero plus two plus six, it equals a ten,

523
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Speaker 6: and you have to reduce it to a single digit,

524
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Speaker 6: which is a one. And then you take that and

525
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Speaker 6: you add it to the birth month and the birth day,

526
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Speaker 6: and it'll tell you what type of year you will

527
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Speaker 6: be going through for that particular year. So in this

528
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Speaker 6: particular year, he's going through a three cycle, which is

529
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Speaker 6: a challenge cycle for him. So in this three cycle,

530
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Speaker 6: then he can expect things to kind of go not

531
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Speaker 6: as planned. And the country is also going through that

532
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 6: same three cycle, which is a challenge to him. So

533
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Speaker 6: that would explain some of the things that are happening

534
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Speaker 6: because of what particular year he is experiencing this year.

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Speaker 2: So I mean said that you could do that for

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Speaker 2: any of the listeners who call in, whether it's be

537
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Speaker 2: on the job or would be school or whatever it's

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00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: going through. Can you actually give them a mini reading.

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Speaker 9: Of that I and I would love to.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we've got one ready for you Byron's gone

541
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Speaker 2: from Fedville and North Carolina's online two Grand Rising Byron

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Speaker 2: You on with Kimberly Williams.

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Speaker 5: Good morning to missus Williams. My birthday is ten fifteen

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Speaker 5: sixty and I've been mainly working in real estate and

545
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Speaker 5: mainly providing rental houses. But I've kind of I'm in

546
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 5: a snag right now. I'm not really sure if I

547
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 5: should continue to do that. I've got there's one specific

548
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 5: property I'm trying to determine if I need to sell

549
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 5: or keep. It's kind of valuable, but I'm not really sure,

550
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 5: so I'm just trying to get some direction there.

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00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: All right, hold the response to kiberaive we got a

552
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: step aside and get caught up with the news. I'll

553
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: let you figure that out when we come back, and

554
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: Byron stay with us. Family. You two got a challenge

555
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: or we've got a question about the business or the

556
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: the job that you're on. If it's for you, just

557
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: give us a call and speak to Kimberly Williams. Give

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00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: her your name and your data birth and she'll work

559
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 2: it out for you. Twenty four minutes away from the top,

560
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Speaker 2: they have family. We got to check the news, trafficking

561
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: weather at different cities. We come back with Kimberly Williams

562
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: and your phone calls will do that next and Grand

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Speaker 2: Rising family, thanks for waking up with us on this

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Speaker 2: Tuesday morning, it's seventeen minutes away from the top of

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Speaker 2: the hout with our guest as astronumerologists and author Kimberly

566
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Speaker 2: Williams and Kimberly before the left, we're speaking with Byron

567
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: in Fairfield and he gave you his birthday. What say you?

568
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Speaker 2: What are the prospects for.

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Speaker 6: Byron grand Rising Byron? I will say that number one,

570
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 6: you aren't in the right business because you're born on

571
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 6: the fifteenth of the month and that can indicate a

572
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 6: real estate business. What you're experiencing right now is due

573
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 6: to the cycle that your business is in. When I

574
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 6: added the month, the day, and the current year that

575
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 6: we're in, it lets me know that your business is

576
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 6: in an annual nine business cycle. What that means is

577
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 6: that throughout this year it's about ending for your business,

578
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 6: not ending your business. What it means is that what

579
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 6: you're noticing is that the things that are not working

580
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 6: for you or have not been working for you, or

581
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 6: it could have been over the nine last nine years.

582
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Speaker 6: What's happening at this point is it's time to cut

583
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Speaker 6: a loose or let go of things that have not

584
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 6: been working in your business. So when you see things

585
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 6: that are coming up that don't seem like it's growing.

586
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 6: It means that there are some things that you need

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Speaker 6: to look at and determine what needs to be let

588
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 6: go of the business or how you handle things in

589
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Speaker 6: the business. And that is very important to you because

590
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 6: next year you're going to be entering a brand new phase.

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00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 6: You're going to be entering a one business cycle, and

592
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 6: it's a time to start things new. So what is

593
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 6: happening is not saying that anything is wrong at this point.

594
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 6: It's just a transformation period. You're clearing out the old

595
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 6: to prepare.

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Speaker 9: For the news.

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Speaker 2: All right, Thanks Byron. Is she on the money by

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Speaker 2: the way?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right, Thanks Byron. We got some more folks

601
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: wanted to talk to. Kimberley eight hundred and four or

602
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: five zero seventy eight to seventy six, Go out West

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00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. Barbara's in LA. She's online, three Grand Rising, Barbara.

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00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: Are only Kimberley.

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00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 6: Williams Grand Rising, Barbara.

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00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: Now here in Barbara. Okay, let's go to Jewel in Raleigh.

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00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: Jewel's online, four Grand Rising, Jewel Grand Rising.

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Speaker 11: This is my first time falling in longtime listener. I

609
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 11: appreciate miss Williams. And what caught my eye is the

610
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Speaker 11: comedic Egyptian reference that you made. But my birthday is

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Speaker 11: May twenty seven, nineteen sixty five.

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Speaker 6: Grandize and Barber, you are something else.

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Speaker 9: Barber.

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00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 6: You say what you mean, and you mean what you say.

615
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 6: Whenever someone asks you a question, you have no choice

616
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 6: but to be straight up and honest with them. You

617
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 6: may come, you may come across a little bit aggressive

618
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 6: to some people, but that's just how you are. You

619
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Speaker 6: stand up for what you believe in and you hold

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Speaker 6: firmly to that thing.

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Speaker 4: That you believe in.

622
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 6: You are the type of person that, even though you

623
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 6: show up in that way, you really do have a

624
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 6: soft heart for people. You really do love people, and

625
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 6: you really are the humanitarian at heart. And if there's

626
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Speaker 6: anything in your life that you want to start or

627
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 6: you want to build, then you have three numbers that

628
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 6: can help guide you. These numbers are the nine, five,

629
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Speaker 6: and six. So if you're a skined as on the interviews,

630
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Speaker 6: you want to start a business, you want to sign

631
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Speaker 6: a contract, make sure you do it on a day

632
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 6: that adds to a nine, A five, or six, or

633
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 6: on a day that is Tuesday, Wednesday, or Friday, A

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00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 6: lot of people misunderstand you, but you're not the way you.

635
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 6: You don't you're not as what they seen sometimes, so

636
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 6: sometimes your confidence throws people off and they just can't

637
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 6: understand it. But that's on them, not you. Deep inside,

638
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 6: we know that you are a wonderful person and they

639
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 6: just have to get to know you.

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Speaker 4: So this is Jewel, right, it's Jewel.

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Speaker 11: I was gonna say that everything's on point, but Jewel

642
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 11: the name. But everything she said I agree with, thank you,

643
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Speaker 11: thank okay.

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00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 2: Apparently, then to make a difference with the name, can

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00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: you explain that for us lest the kimberly Yeah, because

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00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: she she's yeah, oh that that was Julie And I

647
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: think I thought we lost Barbara calling from La whatever.

648
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: But does that make a difference or do the numbers

649
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: the names then from the name to make the adam

650
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 2: to the same thing. How does that work?

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Speaker 6: Oh, so it would make a difference with her. Her

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00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 6: name would tell what she is, what her what she's

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00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 6: skilled at. That's what the name would tell. And the

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00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 6: name also tells who named you. So I can look

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Speaker 6: at your name and tell who named you, what zodiac

656
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Speaker 6: sign they were or what birth number they were. And

657
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 6: it also tells who you may attract. In business astrondommerology,

658
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 6: I actually used the name to determine the branding of

659
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 6: the business.

660
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: Does that also mean in romance too? It tells you

661
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: what person what the signed person you would attract or

662
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: was attracted to you as well?

663
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 9: Oh wow, definitely it would.

664
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: So oh accurd is that though?

665
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 9: It's very accurate.

666
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 6: It's very accurate. For example, my name equals the nineteen one,

667
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 6: and it lets me know. Like I said, you can

668
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 6: determine who named you by what your name as totals

669
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 6: up to. My mom is the one who named me,

670
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 6: and she was born on the nineteenth.

671
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 9: Of the month.

672
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: Gotcha, got some move for you? These are tweets though.

673
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: Patricia Patricia twelve, twenty seventh sixty born in New York

674
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 2: City on a Tuesday, Tuesday morning.

675
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 6: I guess on Tuesday, okay, And the same thing the

676
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 6: born on the twenty seventh of the month. Is interesting

677
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 6: that we're getting a lot of people born on the

678
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 6: twenty seventh of the month. Yes, the same thing for you.

679
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 6: You say what you mean, you mean what you say,

680
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 6: and also yours may be a little bit different for

681
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 6: you because of your zodiac sign. So the birth number

682
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 6: will tell you that the energy of the person, but

683
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 6: the zodiac sign will modify you at times. Because she

684
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 6: is born under the influence of Catholicorn, she may be

685
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 6: a little bit more laid back. She may be a

686
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 6: little laid back until somebody ruffles her feathers or until

687
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 6: someone tries to cross the line. But it's the same thing.

688
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 6: She's pretty much going to be willing to do what

689
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 6: needs to be done. She's going to do first, ask

690
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 6: questions later. She's passionate, she's a self starter, she's the leader,

691
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 6: and she's going to accomplish whatever she sets out to accomplish.

692
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: All right, Patricia, text us back and let us know

693
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: if she's on the money. Ten minutes away from the

694
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: top of our family, I guess this astronumerologists and author

695
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: Kimberly Williams. She uses her skill to businesses, but she

696
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: can help you on the personal tip as well. Got

697
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: another one for you.

698
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 4: This is.

699
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Speaker 2: The person, says grind Rising. We'd love Kimberg to provide

700
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: share her wisdom for me. My Nativity Day is six thirteen,

701
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one. I'm known as Harriet, like Harriet Tubman.

702
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 6: Graham Rising Harriet.

703
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 9: It is just them, not you. Harriet.

704
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 6: It is them not you. And the reason why I

705
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 6: say that is because throughout your life people may not

706
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 6: have quite understood you. They may not know how to

707
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 6: approach you. It's just that you're a little different from

708
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 6: everybody else, and sometimes that may make people back away

709
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 6: from you. You may seem cool and distant at times,

710
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 6: but really you're actually not. What they really don't understand

711
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 6: about you, Harriet, is that you're a forward thinker. You

712
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 6: are ten steps ahead of the game, and they just

713
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 6: cannot understand that. But today, Harriet, I'm saying to you

714
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 6: to make sure that you do what feels right for you,

715
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 6: no matter how different it may seem, no matter what

716
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 6: anybody else may say, do what makes you different, because

717
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 6: that is what makes you unique from everybody else. And

718
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 6: you have three favorable numbers. Those numbers are the four,

719
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 6: the one, and the five. Anytime you're doing anything of importance,

720
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 6: use those days the four, one in five, or do

721
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 6: it on a Sunday or a Wednesday.

722
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: Now does it make a difference because Harrod is a

723
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: given name, but she's got a pet name. Does that

724
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: make a difference?

725
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 6: Yes, whatever name she used, the most her name will

726
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 6: change according to the vibration of it.

727
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,240
Speaker 2: So from Muslim brothers and sisters who who've changed aames

728
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: or some of our afrocentric brothers and sisters who have

729
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: changed their name as well, does that change their outlook?

730
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 6: It will change, yes, it will change there. It will

731
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 6: change how people perceive them, and it will change their

732
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 6: characteristic traits as well.

733
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: All right, got a bunch of whether they're tweeting me?

734
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: I wish you guys would call, you know, I just

735
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: lost it. I've getted to tweets and emails and I'm

736
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: just running from back and forth and I lost a

737
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: bunch of them to just call, just tweeted tweeted in.

738
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: So do me a favor and just call, because it's

739
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: much easier for me to to to try and find

740
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: them with all the emails and tweets that I go

741
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: through every day, seven minutes away from the top the family.

742
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: If you just checking in, I guess this is Kimberly Williams.

743
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: Kimberly is uh. Kimberly is astro numerology. She's also an

744
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: author of a book, The Business of New Numerology. So, so, Kimberly,

745
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: if I have a business right now, will I search

746
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: for these these folks who tweeted me? If I have

747
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: a business right now and I give you my name

748
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: and birthday, can you tell me what direction I should

749
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: take the business or if I'm going in the right direction,

750
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: or as soon as the business is doing great, and

751
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: I still use you and you're telling me to make

752
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: a change, what what do you think would happen?

753
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 6: Well, if the business is already great, I would not

754
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 6: advise the person to make a change. But if they are,

755
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 6: if they are armed miss alignments in the business and

756
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 6: they are not flowing with the business, then I will

757
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 6: make suggestions for them, and it's up to them whether

758
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 6: or not they make the change.

759
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 2: All right, six minutes away from the top of there,

760
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: our family with let me bring you Kevin. Let's put

761
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: Kevin on the spot here, Kevin, put your headphones on.

762
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: Let's see if Kevin's Kevin. Can you help us out here?

763
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: Sure, that's what I do. I'm helpful kind of Yeah,

764
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: what's up?

765
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: And Kimberly make chell us if that's true as well,

766
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: But go ahead.

767
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: Oh and so what do you need?

768
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: You need my credentials, your birthday and because Kevin's been

769
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: working here, since they turned on the lights. Think, so

770
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: we got to figure out if because it kind of

771
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 2: strange if he's making the wrong decision all these years.

772
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can't say that. Hey, look, okay, So

773
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: my name Kevin Lankford and I was born.

774
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: July fourteenth, but still day in France, July fourteen, nineteen

775
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: fifty four.

776
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: There you go. Now my age is exposed. And what

777
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: else did you need?

778
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 6: That is all? Kevin, you are a gay that likes

779
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 6: your freedom. You probably find yourself being busy or on

780
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 6: the go, and being born on the fourteenth of the

781
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 6: month explains why you are in radio, because communication is

782
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 6: something that aligns with the birthday number fourteen. Also, Kevin,

783
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 6: you have favorable numbers. Your numbers are the five, two,

784
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 6: and seventh, and so whenever you're doing anything of any importance,

785
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 6: you would do it on the fifth, the second, or

786
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 6: the seventh. Wanted a day to add to those numbers,

787
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 6: or on a Wednesday or Monday. Broadcasting and radio is

788
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 6: a great thing for you. Communication to communicating to other people,

789
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 6: you may find that a lot of people are attracted

790
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 6: to you and get close to you, and you're just

791
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 6: supremely all around good. Gotta be around.

792
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

793
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: See Carl Well, is she on the money?

794
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 5: Kevin?

795
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 4: Is she right?

796
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: How accurate can that be? I mean, heck, you could

797
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: probably testify to that. I can't communicate a word of

798
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: two if now and then, and I enjoy radio.

799
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: So thank you you said so.

800
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: And I was born on Wednesday at five am on

801
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: a Wednesday, so you said Wednesday.

802
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 6: I was born on a Wednesday too.

803
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: See there you go, Wednesday's child that we are. Thank

804
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: you for that reading.

805
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: Kimberly right, will thank you, and Patricia says you were

806
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: on point by the way. She texted in, we're coming

807
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: up on a break. But got another founder. One of

808
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: the tweeters at tweet Raymond. He goes by the name

809
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 2: of ray His birthday is May eighteenth, nineteen thirty nine.

810
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 2: I guess that makes him a tarist May eighteenth, nineteen

811
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: thirty nine. And I'll let you give us the results

812
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: when we get back. We got to check the traffic

813
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: and weather in our different cities. Family, you want to

814
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 2: get in on this with our guests. Kimberly Williams. Kimberly

815
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: is an astro numerologist, but she usually works with business,

816
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: but she does the personal side as well, because the

817
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: personal side reflects you in your business. What are your thoughts?

818
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: You don't how to reach her? Eight hundred four or

819
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: five zero seventy eight seventy sixth we'll take your phone

820
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: calls after we check the traffic and weather. That's next

821
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with

822
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: us and our guest to Kimberly Williams. Kimberly is an

823
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: astro numerologist. She's also an author. She's written a book.

824
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: The book is titled the what is it the Astro

825
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: What is the title of the book again, The Business

826
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: of Numerology. That's the book. So she reads your the

827
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: time when the company was incorporated and also your birthday

828
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: as well. And Kevin, let's cut it there because we

829
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: got Carl Slowden deck I just we'll just do the

830
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: ones that you have listed here. So before we left,

831
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: we gave you Raymond's name and birthday. What did you

832
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: look for Raymond?

833
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 6: Is this five eighteen is his birthday?

834
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Five eighteen thirty nine, Okay, Raymond.

835
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 6: This year, you're going through a sixth personal year. What

836
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 6: that means is that this is a year for personal

837
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 6: growth for you. You may find yourself going back to

838
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 6: school or studying something different. You may find yourself teaching someone.

839
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 6: This is also a year that represents home and family,

840
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 6: so your home and family life will be more important

841
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 6: to you this year. You will find yourself doing things

842
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 6: more around your home. You may be changing things around

843
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 6: you may be getting closer to your family. This year,

844
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 6: you have three important numbers, and those three numbers are

845
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 6: the nine six three. Because the number six matches the

846
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 6: year that you're in. This is going to be a

847
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 6: very standout year for you. This is going to be

848
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 6: an important year, so expect things to happen around home, family, education,

849
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 6: or improving your personal self.

850
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on. Robin's checking in Online two

851
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 2: from the GMV Grand Rising Robin Y'll with Kimberley Williams.

852
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 12: Kimery Williams.

853
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 6: Hi, how will you Graham Rising?

854
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 13: Hey?

855
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 12: You know my name is Robert Hawkins. I go by

856
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 12: the name sin Kay or sin a lot and my

857
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 12: birthday is six twenty two, nineteen seventy eight.

858
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 6: Okay, so you are what is considered to be a

859
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 6: master's builder because you're born on the twenty second of

860
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 6: the month. You may be different. You like to do

861
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 6: things different from everybody else there. That doesn't mean that

862
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 6: there is anything wrong with you. You just have a

863
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 6: unique way of doing things. You're very methodical, you're a

864
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 6: hard worker. You always like to do things in order,

865
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 6: step by step, and that's the way that you build.

866
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 6: Because you are born on a number that is a

867
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 6: master number, then it means that you've probably seen some

868
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 6: significant challenges over your life. And you may see a

869
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 6: lot of different changes over your life as well too,

870
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 6: So there may be frequent transitions for you, or have

871
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 6: been frequent transitions for you. But it's just meaning that

872
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 6: you're growing at a faster pace. Everything's right, everything's okay.

873
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 6: It's just that you're growing a little bit faster. You're

874
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 6: on the you're on the accelerated track. So because you're

875
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 6: born on June twenty second, your significant or important numbers

876
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 6: would be the fourth, one, two, and seventh. So that

877
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 6: just means when you're doing anything of important, do it

878
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 6: on a day that adds to a four, A one,

879
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 6: a two, or a seventh, or do it on a

880
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 6: Sunday or Monday.

881
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: All right, thanks, Robert, We're gonna keep moving. Is she

882
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: is she close to Robert?

883
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 12: I'm extonished this more she's gonna point all the way

884
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 12: across the board.

885
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: All right, it's proven the points science. Thanks Robert. Let's

886
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 2: take another cause. Shanny's Conference Florence in South Carolina. Shean's online.

887
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 2: Four Grand Rising, Shane, you're on with Kimberley Williams.

888
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 5: Okay Hi Grand Rising, Grand Rising.

889
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 9: Yes.

890
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 8: April fourth, nineteen ninety one.

891
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 11: I have a hyaphenated last name.

892
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 10: I don't know if that makes a difference.

893
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 6: No, that's fine. April fourth. So that means this year

894
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 6: you are in a nine ring nine personal cycle. What

895
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 6: that means is it's time to close out anything that

896
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 6: hasn't been making progress in your life over the ninth

897
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 6: last Night years. It's time to clear out old to

898
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 6: bring in the new. This is the time for you

899
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 6: to look at what you've been doing in life and

900
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 6: to determine whether it's worth going into the next year

901
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 6: with it or if it's time to drop it at

902
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 6: this point right here, because you are in a nine year,

903
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 6: this year is a year for you to make sure

904
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 6: that you're not being too impulsive. Make sure also that

905
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 6: you're being careful of accidents, sharp instruments, anything like that.

906
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 6: And also because you're boring on the fourth of the month.

907
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 6: Just understand that you're just a little bit different from

908
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 6: everybody else, and it may be a little bit more

909
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 6: because April is a four month and you are born

910
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 6: on the four.

911
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 9: Just know that that is what makes you special.

912
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 6: That is what makes you who you are. You're ahead

913
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 6: of your time. Sometimes people can't get it or understand it,

914
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 6: but once they really get close to you, then they

915
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 6: really speak how good you are inside?

916
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: Wow shan she close close, yes, yes, all right, let's

917
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: take one more at a seven at the time. Our

918
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: Terry's call from Atlanta on line three. Grand rising Terry

919
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: on Kimberley Williams.

920
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 9: Rovan Family, Leo eighteen, nineteen sixty six. And I'm trying

921
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 9: to get my business.

922
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 5: It's already going.

923
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 9: Off the ground. Okay.

924
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 6: You're born on the nineteenth of the month. You are

925
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 6: a leader, so you are doing the right things starting

926
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 6: your business because of the fact that one is a

927
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 6: business number and being born on the nineteenth. Nine plus

928
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 6: one equals zero, so you're on the right track with

929
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 6: your business. Take the lead, be a be assertain, go

930
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 6: ahead and make sure that you are setting everything up

931
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 6: in place and everything is in work in order for

932
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 6: you and also during this year, what you want to

933
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 6: focus on is knowing that you are in a one

934
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 6: universal year. So this is the year for you actually

935
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 6: to go ahead and get started. If you want to

936
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 6: do it, go ahead and plant the seed for it.

937
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 9: Now.

938
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 4: This is the time for you to start, all right, Terry,

939
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 4: go ahead?

940
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 11: Yeah, here, the.

941
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 6: Best your best numbers would be the one, the four,

942
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 6: and the nine. So if you're planning to start anything,

943
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 6: make sure you do it on a data as to

944
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 6: a one of four or nine, or on a Sunday

945
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 6: or Monday.

946
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 4: Wow.

947
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: Wow, it's a real specific there, Terry.

948
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 13: Yeah, and it's already.

949
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 7: Got it going.

950
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 9: I'm almost there. I'm been almost there.

951
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 2: All right, what calls back and let us no Cherry

952
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: calls on a Friday and let us know how it

953
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: works out. And I thank you for your call. We

954
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: got to keep moving. I'm gonna just take one more

955
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: just because we've got the Karl Snow non deck and

956
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: civil rights activists out of Baltimore. So let's go to Baltimore.

957
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: Sheila's online too, Grand Rising, Shila, you're on with Kimberly Williams.

958
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 6: Want to character belong to your guests, Grand.

959
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: Rising Mom, Sheilla let's go.

960
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 4: We gotta go here, first day, ten.

961
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 6: Twelve, nineteen fifty nine. You're a very popular person. People

962
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 6: like you, especially children and maybe even animals too. You

963
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 6: you do have head for business too. You may like

964
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 6: to talk sometimes quite a bit, but your gift is talking.

965
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 6: Your gift is communication. So basically what you're here to

966
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 6: do is you're here to express positivity and optimism, and

967
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 6: that's how you will see things expand in your life.

968
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 6: Whenever you're encouraging people to do the best for themselves,

969
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 6: whenever you are motivating people. That is what your gifts

970
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 6: and your talent is. And the best days for you

971
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 6: to do that would be on a Thursday, Friday, or Tuesday.

972
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 6: And your important numbers are the three, six, and nine.

973
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 6: So whenever you're doing anything, make sure you do it

974
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 6: on a day to add to A three, a six,

975
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 6: or nine.

976
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 4: All right, thanks you, that's correct.

977
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, we gotta cut it that because we've

978
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: run nowt of time. Go over time. But Kimber, let

979
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: me ask you this, though the forecast that you give,

980
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: does it changes over time? Say you come back next

981
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: two months, next three months? Will think shift?

982
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 6: It depends on what I'm reading in some cases, when

983
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 6: I talked about the cycle that they're in for the year,

984
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 6: that will change. That changes daily. Your cycle changes daily.

985
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 6: But what I've been reading today has been the yearly cycle.

986
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 6: So you can dive deep into what your year is

987
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 6: going to be like, what your month is going to

988
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 6: be like, what your day is going to be like.

989
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 6: Your birthday will always remain remain the same.

990
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 9: The name.

991
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 6: If you change the name, that also will affect or

992
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 6: change your personality.

993
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 2: So if you get married, that will change it as well.

994
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 2: You take you take it, Okay, okay, cool, all right, listen, Kimberly,

995
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: we gotta let you go because we've run out. We've

996
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: been run over time here, So I apologize for the folks.

997
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 2: You didn't get a chance to talk to you. But

998
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 2: next time you'll get a chance to speak with Kimberly.

999
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: But Kimberly, your book The Business of Numerology for the

1000
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: folks who are going into business and then want to

1001
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: make sure they aligned with what the cosmic science is

1002
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: telling them what to do. How did they get big

1003
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: of a copy of your book?

1004
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 6: They can go to Amazon to purchase the book. Once again,

1005
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 6: the name of the book is the Business of numerology.

1006
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 6: And if you were here today and you were not

1007
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 6: able to get a chance to get your reading, you

1008
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 6: can go to my website Kimberly dot com. That's k

1009
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 6: I M b a l e y dot com and

1010
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 6: I have a calculator there. All you have to do

1011
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 6: is put in your birthday number or your business in

1012
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 6: corporation number, and it'll give you some information about your birthday,

1013
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 6: the path that you're on or your business and the

1014
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 6: path that it's on. So once again, that is Kimberly

1015
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 6: dot com k I M B A l ey dot

1016
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 6: com and you can get the business of Numerology on Amazon.

1017
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: All right, thank you Kimberly. The first time I got

1018
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: a lot of good response. Thank you for sharing your

1019
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: thoughts this morning.

1020
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 6: You're welcome. Thank you, Carl.

1021
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: All right, family, let's move on as Carl Snowden right

1022
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: sacres out of Baltimore, Grand Rising, Carl, welcome back to

1023
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: the program.

1024
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 13: Good morning, my brother, how are you this morning.

1025
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Kimberly says I'm doing well, so I

1026
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: believe her.

1027
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 4: But thank you.

1028
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: Thank you for being so patient with us this morning,

1029
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of folks who wanted to speak

1030
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: with Kimberly. But Carl, you've been working on a project

1031
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: honoring Malcolm X. Can you give us an update on that.

1032
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 13: Yes, thank you so very much, first for the invitation

1033
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 13: to be here and to share with the audience. In

1034
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 13: the State of Maryland, we're building the first and only

1035
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 13: memorial to Malcolm X. As you know, Malcolm X would

1036
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 13: have celebrated his one hundred first birthday this year. It

1037
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 13: seems strange for those of us who grew up reading

1038
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 13: and learning about Malcolm X that it's been a century

1039
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 13: since he's been more than a century since he's been born.

1040
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 13: So what we wanted to do in the State of

1041
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 13: Maryland is to build this memorial to Malcolm X. I

1042
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 13: often tell people that Malcolm X literally saved my life.

1043
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 13: I read the autobiography of Malcolm X, and my entire

1044
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 13: perspective on the world changed as a result of that

1045
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 13: one book. I just struggl encourage people who have not

1046
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 13: read the autobiography of Malcolm X to do so. Even

1047
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 13: what's going on today right at this moment, it is

1048
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 13: so important to have a leader like Malcolm X, who

1049
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 13: was a visionary, who understood how a system works and

1050
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 13: how we as a people had to respond to a

1051
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 13: system versus individuals. I'm just every day I just thank

1052
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 13: God that I lived during the era that Malcolm X

1053
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 13: walked this earth and has an opportunity to hear him

1054
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 13: and see his piercing analysis that even today, Brother Nelson,

1055
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 13: even today, when you look at some of his speeches,

1056
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 13: how it transcends time, how his analysis of this system

1057
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 13: was just right on point. So I'm just so proud

1058
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 13: that we in Maryland are going to be building this

1059
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 13: memorial to Malcolm X. It'll be dedicated later this summer,

1060
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 13: and the memorial is going to be located at a library.

1061
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 13: Because one of the things one will learn when reading

1062
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 13: all the biograph of Malcolm X his vocabulary was incredible.

1063
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 13: And one of the reasons he had such an incredible

1064
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 13: vocabulary for twelve years he was in prison. Every single

1065
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 13: day he would take a word out of the dictionary

1066
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 13: and learn that word, learning to learn its origin, its meaning,

1067
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 13: and practice how to pronounce it. And Malcolm was just

1068
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 13: a prolific writer, a prolific speaker, and he just helped

1069
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 13: to change not only my my vision of the world,

1070
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 13: but millions of people around the world. What many do

1071
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 13: not realize is that when South Africa was on the

1072
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 13: plug time, there were books that were banned in South

1073
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 13: Africa and one of them was All the Biography of

1074
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 13: Malcolm X. And it was Nelson Mandela who indicated that

1075
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 13: after reading all the biography of Malcolm X, how that

1076
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 13: had an impact on him as an individual and the

1077
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 13: rest of his history.

1078
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: As we know, all right, hold on the ry there.

1079
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: We got to step aside and take a quickly and

1080
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: we come back. Is that book was really transformative. I

1081
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 2: read that book myself and experience the same thing that

1082
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: you experienced. And you're right. If you haven't read the

1083
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley, you should do

1084
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: it right now. You can get into it because it

1085
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: is and Malcolm's got a birthday coming up. Bill was

1086
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: he May nineteen. I think it's a birthday May nineteen. Okay, right,

1087
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: So let's talk about that when we get back. And

1088
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: also with the Prime the plans that you have to

1089
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: honor Malcolm X family, you two can get in our conversation.

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Speaker 2: Carl Snowd's a civil rights actress out of Baltimore. You

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Speaker 2: know how to reach him. Eight hundred four five zero

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Speaker 2: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

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Speaker 2: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us

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Speaker 2: on this Tuesday morning. I guess he is Carl Snowden

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Speaker 2: calls a civil rights actress out of Baltimore, and it's

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Speaker 2: they're putting together a project for Malcolm X. And this

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Speaker 2: is what we're discussing this morning. Let me just give

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Speaker 2: you a tip here, family, because on Malcolm's birthday, the

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Speaker 2: PBS is going to show a documentary on web the

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Speaker 2: boys called a Rebel with a Cause. Some of my

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Speaker 2: friends saw this the previews and they've just been raving

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Speaker 2: about it. So we're going to get the foe. I

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Speaker 2: know some of the people involved in that production. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be on PBS, but it's going to premiere

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Speaker 2: on Malcolm's birthday in May May nineteen. So I just

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Speaker 2: want to throw that in there. Because Revel with the

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Speaker 2: Cause all the things that we talk about on this program,

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Speaker 2: that's why they call me w the Boy. They're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about his interaction with Marcus Garvey, with Booker T.

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Speaker 2: Washington and all that's going to be in that way.

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Speaker 2: So we will have those folks on later on. But Carl,

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Speaker 2: you're saying that the product you did for Malcolm. Brother Malcolm,

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Speaker 2: is it going to be unveiled on his birthday or

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Speaker 2: before now, It's going.

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Speaker 13: To be in the summer this summer, after his birthday.

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Speaker 13: We'll trying to arrange to have Governor Wes Moore, the

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Speaker 13: governor of Maryland, participate. So we're putting together this schedule

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Speaker 13: and doctor Shabaz, which is the daughter of Malcolm X,

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Speaker 13: will be on in Annapolis, Maryland, on the day that

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Speaker 13: this unveiling takes place this summer. What we're doing now

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Speaker 13: is getting people prepared for this Malcolm X memorial. Why

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Speaker 13: a Malcolm X memorial?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 13: Why is it important has a memorial to a Malcolm X.

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Speaker 13: We've just seen recently in Chicago the unveiling of a

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Speaker 13: memorial to President Barack Obama. If people understand history, they

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Speaker 13: will understand they would not have been a Barack Obama

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Speaker 13: had not been a Malcolm X. The fact of the

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Speaker 13: matter is that our struggle is a continuing struggle. Often

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Speaker 13: people try to look at a struggle in a decade

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Speaker 13: and twenty years, one hundred years. We've been part of

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Speaker 13: the struggle from the minute we arrived in sixteen nineteen

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Speaker 13: to the present time. And what Malcolm X understood again

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Speaker 13: is that we're not talking about individuals, We're talking about

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Speaker 13: a system, and Malcolm is about dismauling a system of oppression, exploitation,

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Speaker 13: and racism. And because he understood it was a system

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Speaker 13: that he was going up against, his enemies understood it

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Speaker 13: as well. And so we'll want to make sure that

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Speaker 13: Malcolm is not forgotten and that many of his teachings

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Speaker 13: will live on.

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Speaker 2: Can you share a be a statue or a plaque

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Speaker 2: that Can he share that with us?

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Speaker 13: That's too early, It's already been designed. It will be

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Speaker 13: a memorial of Malcolm X. It'll have it'll be a statue,

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Speaker 13: it will to have his biography on it, it will

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Speaker 13: to have those who made the contribution. By the way,

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Speaker 13: this is being self funded. It's not a government funded project.

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Speaker 13: It's a community project where people in the community have

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Speaker 13: raised a quarter of a million dollars to build this

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Speaker 13: memorial because we want to make sure that it reflects

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Speaker 13: who Malcolm was. So the memorial will be about eight

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Speaker 13: seed long, four feet wide, and it'll have writings on

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Speaker 13: both sides. When it's.

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Speaker 2: Baltimore or Annapolis.

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Speaker 13: Annapolis, Maryland, for those who are listening. The capital of

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Speaker 13: the state of Maryland is Annapolis, Maryland, and so we

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Speaker 13: want to do it in the state capital, so it

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Speaker 13: will be in the state capital. This will be one

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Speaker 13: of many memorials we've built in the state of Maryland.

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Speaker 13: We built last memorial we built was two Congressman parent J. Mitchell,

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Speaker 13: who was the first African American from Maryland to go

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Speaker 13: to the Congress. And that too at memorial too is

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Speaker 13: in Annapolis because we in the city of Annapolis. Millions

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Speaker 13: of tourists come to Annapolis every year and we wanted

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Speaker 13: to make sure that people saw these memorials to these

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Speaker 13: great men.

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Speaker 2: Before I take calture, I got to ask you this

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Speaker 2: question because we know what's going on in the country's

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Speaker 2: today and Donald Trump's taking down anything that looks at

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Speaker 2: anything that's pro black. Is there a way that he

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Speaker 2: will be unable to touch these this memorial for brother

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Speaker 2: Malcolm Well.

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Speaker 13: One of the reasons we literally one of the reasons

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Speaker 13: we're paying for the memorial. It's not a government funded memorial.

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Speaker 13: It's a memorial that is being The dollars have been

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Speaker 13: raised by private donors, so it's literally our memorial. It's

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Speaker 13: not a government sanctioned memorial. It's a memorial that is

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Speaker 13: reflected in the spirit of Malcolm. Malcolm used to say,

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Speaker 13: don't allow other people do for you what you can

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Speaker 13: do for yourself. When you depend on other people to

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Speaker 13: build your memorial, they get to decide how it's gonna look,

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Speaker 13: what it's going to say, et cetera. We are in

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Speaker 13: a position because we paid for it ourselves, to make

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Speaker 13: sure this memorial truly reflect who Malcolm was. And Donald

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Speaker 13: Trump and others like him will not be able to

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Speaker 13: tear it down because the idea will transcend.

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Speaker 2: Time Good twenty five to topa. I let's take some

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Speaker 2: folks want to talk to you, Carl. Let's start with

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Speaker 2: Mark in Baltimore Cities Online one Grand Rise and markie

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Speaker 2: on with Carl Snowden.

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Speaker 10: Yes, the good morning and to your and memorial is

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Speaker 10: a great idea. Thank you very much. But I had

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Speaker 10: a question about of the books, about the Welcome X

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Speaker 10: and I was wondering, are you planning on putting them

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Speaker 10: in schools and all that. I was wondering, how can

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Speaker 10: the education system in Baltimore City, Baltimore County and beyond

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Speaker 10: can get the copy of the books and I guess

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Speaker 10: you to put in the library, school library or the

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Speaker 10: teacher's class, or to make sure to show the students

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Speaker 10: are learning something about Malcolm X and history. History is

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Speaker 10: really important to me. So do you have any plans

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Speaker 10: for that book distribution? Thank him now, Thank you Mark.

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Speaker 10: And one of the things I really want to encourage

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Speaker 10: the listeners to do. Brother Nelson made the point that

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump and his ilk is trying to literally erase

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Speaker 10: history by taking now memorials and closing now the legacy

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Speaker 10: of people like Malcolm, Frederick Douglas and others. The way

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Speaker 10: we should respond to that is not depending on the

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Speaker 10: government to do for us what we must do for ourselves.

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Speaker 10: I've been a long advocate of and the belief in

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Speaker 10: that if you happen to go to a synagogue, if

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Speaker 10: you happen to go to a church, if you happen

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Speaker 10: to go to a temple, whatever your religious faith is,

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Speaker 10: we need to move from having Sunday schools which teach

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Speaker 10: the religious principles of those religions to what I call

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Speaker 10: set of the schools which are so secular. We need

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Speaker 10: to as a community go back to a period of

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Speaker 10: time they used to be called as you will recall

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Speaker 10: freedom schools. There were people in the community you understood

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Speaker 10: that in order to be able to get a perspective

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Speaker 10: of history put forward, you have to be in a

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Speaker 10: position to tell that story, tell that history. So we're

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Speaker 10: really advocating that people, particularly churches, black churches, beginning to

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Speaker 10: think about having these sides of the schools where we

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Speaker 10: bring young people in and teach them what they're not

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Speaker 10: going to learn in public school. Nobody's going to teach

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Speaker 10: you in public school that Malcolm X was a revolutionary,

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Speaker 10: that Malcolm X saw the United Nations as.

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Speaker 13: A path brought out freedom. That's not going to happen

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Speaker 13: in the regular public school. The fact of the matter

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Speaker 13: is we're going to have to do that ourselves. We

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Speaker 13: have to make it crystal clear why the government in

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Speaker 13: the sixties decided to create what was a pro program

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Speaker 13: designed to neutralize mean kill black leadership. People have to

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Speaker 13: understand what happened, Why did this cointail probe, which is

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Speaker 13: the name of that particular program, Why was the counter

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Speaker 13: intelligence program put in place in the first place. What

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Speaker 13: were the kind of things that happened to Malcolm and

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Speaker 13: Martin and Muhammad Ali and so many others doing that

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Speaker 13: era and we need to learn the lessons of history.

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Speaker 13: So what I'm really a strong advocate of is that

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Speaker 13: we create our own Saturday schools. We not depend on

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Speaker 13: other people to do that for us, that we do

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Speaker 13: it for ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Got you twenty and after topic yelet's go stay in Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: It's just a. Ujima's checking in online too, Grand Rising

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Speaker 2: Sister Ujima, y'all and Carl Snowden.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, brother Carl, and thank you, brother Carl, and

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Speaker 7: thank you for allowing me to speak. Thank you for

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Speaker 7: your word, Brother Snowden, because I know you're a longtime

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Speaker 7: advocate and you're homegrown and we appreciate you. I just

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Speaker 7: wanted to share that. On Mountain X's birthday, the organization

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Speaker 7: called Woman Working Organizing Making the Nation. It's a Pan

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Speaker 7: African naturalist organization along with Marcus Garvey's organization. When I

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Speaker 7: A is going to have a panel, discussion and event

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Speaker 7: free of charge to the community on his birthday at

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Speaker 7: the Mason Hall, the same place where they had uh

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Speaker 7: Tony Browner when Brother Nati gaved on about six o'clock,

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Speaker 7: seven o'clock, six o'clock, the doors open seven o'clock is

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Speaker 7: the event. We're gonna have some refreshments, we're gonna have

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Speaker 7: free vending space, So you need to call us right

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Speaker 7: away to get that panel discussion with people like sister

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Speaker 7: or doctor Y'ah who's a history professor at Coffin. You

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Speaker 7: have Brother m Hotel Plati hu a Plm. You have

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Speaker 7: Davon Love Uh. Just some amazing people out of d

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Speaker 7: C are coming where there's gonna be some poetry uh.

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Speaker 7: And this is called operational unity. We're working on operational

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Speaker 7: unity of all pad African at naturalist organizations and for

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Speaker 7: our people and for anybody who has a Saturday school,

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Speaker 7: including us. It will be introduced that day. We have

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Speaker 7: free martial arts classes for children called India Yata Yahweh

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Speaker 7: the Way of the Ready. And it's all led by

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Speaker 7: a brother name in Walimu Wosi Imani La Mumba. He's

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Speaker 7: been doing great work for over forty something plus years

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Speaker 7: in the community. Our number, if you'll allow me to

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Speaker 7: give it, brother call, is four one oh two O

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Speaker 7: seven six zero eight two. That's four one O two

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Speaker 7: O seven six zero a two. And if you want

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01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 7: free vending space, then it's going to be limited. You

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Speaker 7: could call me, sister Ema at four four three for

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Speaker 7: one three three four four eight. That's four four three

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Speaker 7: for one three three four four eight.

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Speaker 2: And she said, GiMA, make sure I get a copy

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Speaker 2: of that flyer for that event. Send it to my

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Speaker 2: email address.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, could you just repeat it for me because I'm

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Speaker 7: driving on.

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Speaker 2: My way to work, Okay, as simple as Carl Nelson

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Speaker 2: at Radio dash one O n E dot com.

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Speaker 7: Yes, sir, I will make sure that you get it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Wolfson.

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Speaker 7: Keep doing the marvelous work that y'all do.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, sister Regima. Carl, do you want

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Speaker 2: to comment on anything?

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Speaker 4: She said, Yeah.

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Speaker 13: One of the things I would say to people, I

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Speaker 13: want to show people how to connect the dimes. There's

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Speaker 13: something she said earlier, and she mentioned that they're going

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Speaker 13: to have this event on Malcolm X's birthday and she Marcus.

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Speaker 13: She mentioned Marcus Garvey. If you would ask the average person,

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Speaker 13: what was Marcus Garvey's greatest contribution as it relates to America.

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Speaker 13: Most people have no idea really though they think it's

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Speaker 13: the Back to Africa movement, But Marcus Goarvey because of

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Speaker 13: who he was and what he did, and Malcolm X understood.

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Speaker 13: This did something that most people are not aware. You

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01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 13: know that the vast majority of people in this country

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01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 13: do not understand that it was Marcus Garvey. It was

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01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 13: because of Marcus Govey that we got the first black

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Speaker 13: FBI agent in this country. Most people think that the

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01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 13: FBI black agents came into existence in the sixties and

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Speaker 13: the seventies. Nothing could be further from the truth. The

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Speaker 13: first black agent came into existence in the twenties, and

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01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 13: it was because of Marcus Goarfy And people just don't

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01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 13: know that. And when they look up who James Wormley was,

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01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 13: they discover my god, I never knew that. And a

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Speaker 13: lot of things called that people listening to this program

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01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 13: not only give you just one example, while we were

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Speaker 13: on a commercial break, they had a commercial on the

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Speaker 13: RS and how if people were being mounted who he

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01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 13: did to contact. Well, here's what most people don't understand. Well,

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Speaker 13: I hope you use to can do this because they

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 13: could then share this with your audience. If people were

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01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 13: to google right now, Washington Posts IRS audits black people

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01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 13: three to five times greater than whites. Washington Posts IRS

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 13: audits black people three to five times more than white people.

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01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 13: They'll be shocked to discover. Here's an article that was

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 13: published in the Washington Post in twenty twenty three, where

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01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 13: it clearly indicates a system with designed and in place

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 13: at the RS that audits black people, who only make

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01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 13: up twelve percent of the population. Yet you're three to

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01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 13: five times more likely to be audited by the RS.

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01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 13: And they admit that it's it's in fun. When people

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01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 13: google that, they'll see that the CNN reported on it,

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01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 13: the Washington Post and Your Times. But most people reading

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01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 13: that and hearing this, it's going to say what I've

1336
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 13: never heard that, how is that possible? And that's what

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01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 13: Malcolm X. That's why Malcolm in understanding who he was

1338
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 13: is so important. Malcolmore said, research is the best reward

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01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 13: you can have. And for those who take the time

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01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 13: to again google what I just said, they're gonna be stunned.

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01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 13: And the question that you must ask yourself, no matter

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01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 13: what part of the country you're in, when you google

1343
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 13: that article, you got to ask yourself, why didn't my

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01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 13: congressional representatives hold the town hall meeting and tell me

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01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 13: that the RS has in place this system that if

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01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 13: you're black, you're going to be three to five times

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01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 13: more likely audited. Why are are we hearing this for

1348
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 13: the first time? And it was people like Malcolm X

1349
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 13: who pointed out oftentimes how systems work and how people

1350
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 13: will part of a system. Who you think are ended

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 13: tended really am not. And that's the whole purpose of

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01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 13: people looking at that RS study that I'm referring to right.

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01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: Now, I just googled it twenty five away from the

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01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: top of the article in the post. It comes from

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01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,600
Speaker 2: a study done by Stanford University did the research and

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, I'll just read it. Just black tax

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01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: beayers receive IRS orgnosis at least two point nine times

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01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: and perhaps as much as four point seven times more

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01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: than non black taxpayers. And this is what they did

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Speaker 2: at Stanford Law School. Question, how can they decide who's

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01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 2: black and who's not going to doing these audits? How

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01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 2: do they do that? How did they determine it?

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Speaker 13: So I'm so glad you did that. I am just

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01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 13: so glad you asked that question. People have no idea

1365
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 13: what technology that we have today and hide works and

1366
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 13: how I can be able to do the technology. You

1367
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 13: can live on the same street as your neighbors and

1368
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 13: yet we have there is a way for the system

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01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 13: to determine what movies you're watching, what you're purchasing. Through

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01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 13: technology and through race, we have already been able to

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Speaker 13: determine how people will behave in certain communities when given

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01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 13: certain information. So the answer to your question is done

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01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 13: through technology. There are communities, as you know, that are

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Speaker 13: predominantly black. So you can literally take a zip code

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01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 13: where a majority of the people in that zip code

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 13: are going to be black, and using that technology. Using technology,

1377
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 13: you can find out all kinds of things about an

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Speaker 13: entire community or an individual. And the reason I mentioned that,

1379
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 13: Brother Nelson, is you know, I understand how the FBI works.

1380
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 13: I was a victim of what was called a corn

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01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,919
Speaker 13: tailpro If people will put my name in Carl Snowden

1382
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 13: FBI files, they would be stunned to learn that when

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Speaker 13: I was fifteen years old fifteen, the FBI had identified

1384
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 13: me as a potential folk problem and created a dozier.

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01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 13: It's all public information and when people google that and

1386
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 13: they read how is it possible? Government took a fifteen

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01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 13: year old kid, that's all I was at the time,

1388
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 13: and was able to create this dozier on him. That

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01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 13: lasted for most of my life. By the way, we

1390
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 13: sued the FBI. That's how I'm aware that the FBI

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01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 13: followed existed. We're one of the few people in the

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01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 13: nation that was able to successfully sue the FBI for

1393
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 13: the illegal surveillance that was hosting on people. And one

1394
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 13: of the things I've learned from doing a lot of research.

1395
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 13: I know more but Malcolm X did. Most people know.

1396
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 13: I know, but Martin Luther King Jr. I know that

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Speaker 13: the nssay, the National Security Agency did something in the say.

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Speaker 2: Right and hold that thought right there call we got

1399
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: to step sign and get caught up with the latest

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01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 2: news trafficking with a different cities and I'm I'm policed.

1401
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 2: I want you to can sear the story when we

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01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: get back from the news. Also Fred Hampton too, They

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01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 2: started serving Fred Hampton when it was like eight or

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01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 2: nine years old. Tell us how the FBI start collecting

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01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 2: information on people like yourself. Eight hundred four or five

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01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 2: zero seventy eight to seventy six months. Speak to our guest.

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01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 2: He is a civil right Sactorvic just mentioned is profiled

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01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 2: by the FBI. His name is Carl Snowden. You can

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01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: reach them at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight

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01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 2: seventy six. As I mentioned, we'll take your calls after

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01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 2: we check the news. That's next and Grant Rising family,

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01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 2: thanks for rolling with us on this Tuesday morning with

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01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 2: our guest Baltimore civil right sanctivist Carlin Snowden. Before we

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01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 2: go back to Carl, let me just remind you come

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01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 2: up later this morning we speak with Babla Lamumbo. Baba

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01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 2: La Muma is one of our grills. He works out

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01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: of Emoja House in Washington, DC. This we're a council

1418
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 2: of elders. They have these great discussions then they come

1419
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: back on the radio through Bamba La Mumba and provided

1420
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 2: to us. Com up. Later this week though, we're going

1421
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 2: to hear from the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice.

1422
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 2: I'll be attorney in the league's shabbas, and also physician

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01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: scientists start to fail, the bulls will join us. So

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01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 2: if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep that

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01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 2: radio locked team tired on ten ten WLB or you're

1426
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 2: in the DMV or on fourteen fifty WL. All right, Carl,

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01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 2: when we left you, you noted that this this disproportionately

1428
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 2: ordered of black taxmans by the RS and the family.

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01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: This was published back in twenty twenty three. I'm gonna

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01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 2: let you finish your thought because you said that you

1431
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 2: on theer survey, you were profiled by the by the

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01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 2: FBI when you're a teenager, and our question to you

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01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 2: is what were you doing? We know Chairman Fred was

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01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 2: as a child, but Chairman Fred was organizing in this

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01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 2: group amongst his buddies. What were you doing to you know,

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01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: get on the FBI's radar.

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Speaker 13: I grew up doing a period of what people have

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01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 13: called the Black power movement, the black consciousness movement. Some

1439
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 13: have referred to it as civil rights movement. But if

1440
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 13: one can, particularly all the listeners who are listening to

1441
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 13: this program, if one can remember what it was like

1442
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 13: in nineteen sixty eight when Martin Luther King Jr. Was assassinated.

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01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 13: At that time, doctor King was the major leader of

1444
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 13: the movement he assassinated and for a lot of us,

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01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 13: myself included young persons, where we go from here? Where

1446
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 13: does the movement go? And I was very very fortunate.

1447
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 13: I got to tell you I met people like Dick

1448
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 13: Gregory who was very very helpful and helped me understand

1449
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 13: my place in the world. I mentioned parent Mitchell, who

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01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 13: was a congressman at the time, who have put in

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01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 13: perspective for me what this struggle was all about. I

1452
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 13: met Stokely Carmichael. I hit the great pleasure of interviewing

1453
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 13: Stokely Carmichael. When I was young, I did a radio

1454
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 13: program called the Community Viewpoint, and one of my guests

1455
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 13: was Stokely Carmichael, where I interviewed for an hour, and

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Speaker 13: unbeknownst to me and to Stokely Carmichael, the FBI recorded

1457
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 13: an entire conversation that we had transcribed it and at

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01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 13: ticular interview to this day, which I'm very proud of.

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01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 13: By the way, I existed my FBI file. As I

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01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 13: mentioned to you earlier, we sued the FBI. I was

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01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 13: able to obtained out THEI file, and I did something

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01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 13: that I now look back on and realize how important

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Speaker 13: it was. I donated my entire FBI file to the

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Speaker 13: American Civil Liberties Union in Maryland. So if one were

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01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,839
Speaker 13: to go to the website of the acou A Maryland

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01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 13: and put my name in, they'd see my complete FBI

1467
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 13: fall and in the foul they'd see this transcript that

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01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 13: I'm referring to that was done by the FBI when

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01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 13: I interviewed Stokely car Michael. I think at that time

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Speaker 13: and many who lived on that era will attest to this.

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Speaker 13: African Americans analysis of what was going on in black

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01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,879
Speaker 13: people's views of the world was moving very, very rapidly.

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Speaker 13: The changes that we were seeing frankly frightened people who

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01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 13: were not black. They saw this marriaging militant movement coming

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Speaker 13: into being. And again it's a lot of information, just

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01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 13: a lot of information that's available that most people don't

1477
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 13: take the time to do the research and to look at.

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Speaker 13: Even though I mentioned to you, but the RS audit

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01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,919
Speaker 13: that was done, people should be outraged that the government

1480
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 13: acknowledged to a study that if you're black in this country,

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Speaker 13: you're three to five times more likely to be audited

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01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 13: by the RAS. Somebody should be asking the question if

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01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 13: this was done in twenty twenty three, by the way,

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01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 13: under President Biden, just to be very clear, when it happened,

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Speaker 13: it would people would better understand we're dealing with a system,

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01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 13: not an individual. It's a system that we have to

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01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 13: begin to dismantle. Malcolm xIC understood that very very well,

1488
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 13: that it's not individuals, it's a system. It's the way

1489
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Speaker 13: a system is desired. And so, for example, if you've

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01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 13: got listeners from Philadelphia, if they were to google Philadelphia

1491
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 13: apologizes to Black People, and they put that in Philadelphia

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01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 13: apologizes to Black people, the very first question you would

1493
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 13: ask yourself is what is the city of Philade off

1494
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 13: you're apologizing the black people for. When you google it,

1495
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 13: you discover that the University of Pennsylvania one of those

1496
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 13: Ivy League schools people in this march madness foolishness, they

1497
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,560
Speaker 13: would understand the roles that institutions have played in a

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01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 13: person exploding and degrading our people. And so when you

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01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 13: google Philadelphia Apologize to Black People, you discovered that there

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Speaker 13: were experimentations done on black people in Philadelphia by the government.

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01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 13: And yet the vast majority of your listeners have never

1502
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 13: heard this, didn't know about it. There are people who

1503
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 13: live in Philadelphia didn't know about it. Just there are

1504
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 13: people listening to this program right now did not realize

1505
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 13: that if they were black, they were subject to being

1506
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 13: arded it greater than white people. Their learning is for

1507
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 13: the first time, and the question is why. And that's

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01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 13: where Malcolm has come back full circle. Malcolm used his

1509
01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 13: platform to educate his people what was happening to us

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01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 13: collectively in this country. And as you know, he was

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01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 13: a brilliant, brilliant man. And so I'm trying to make

1512
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 13: sure that the kind of legacy that Malcolm X left

1513
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 13: us is preserved, which is again why we're doing this

1514
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 13: Malcolm X Memorial here in the state of Maryland, and

1515
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 13: for those who win Maryland, we will be announcing later

1516
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 13: this summer when's gonna actually unveil the memorial, but it

1517
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 13: will be in Annapolis and it will be located by

1518
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 13: the way and a library. Because Malcolm X understood the

1519
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 13: power of reading, the power of history, the power of research,

1520
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 13: we will be able to use his legacy, hopefully to

1521
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 13: educate a whole, brand new generation of people as to

1522
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 13: why it's important for them to understand who they are

1523
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 13: and what they place in this society.

1524
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:51,560
Speaker 2: Means, let me jump in here, because I google what

1525
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 2: you said, a Philadelphia apogast for experiments on Black inmates,

1526
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at that NPR study. I guess an

1527
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 2: MPR report. But you know what grabs me though, Carl,

1528
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 2: this was twenty twenty two. This was a name in

1529
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 2: the sixties. You know, this is twenty twenty two. I'm

1530
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 2: just wondering how many other cities are doing the same

1531
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:11,879
Speaker 2: thing with black inmates.

1532
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 1: Why US?

1533
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 2: I always asked the question, though, Why US? I'm sure

1534
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 2: they got Latino inmates, they got Asian inmates, and of

1535
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: course they got white inmates. So why how I was

1536
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 2: picking on us?

1537
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 4: Why?

1538
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 13: Well, there are two books. I wrote a book myself

1539
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 13: called some People Watch Clocks, I Watch people. I recommend

1540
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,480
Speaker 13: that people take a look at that collection of analysis

1541
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 13: that I've done over the years on a variety of subjects,

1542
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 13: including predicting that Donald Trump would not win against Biden

1543
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 13: when he ran in twenty twenty. But beyond that, there's

1544
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 13: another book that I would advise people were interested in

1545
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 13: this subject. It's called Medical Apotheid. It's written by a

1546
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 13: woman named Harriet Washington, and what she's able to do

1547
01:26:54,560 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 13: is to help people understand why experimentations on all black people.

1548
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 13: Most people have no idea. You know, we just had

1549
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 13: this massive lawsuit involving John Hopkins University and Henrietta Lax

1550
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 13: and Midspeople have read a butt but what they don't realize,

1551
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 13: and this is what hard Washington book points out. There

1552
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 13: have been numerous experimentations done our black people over the years.

1553
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 13: And in the case that you just read in current

1554
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 13: in terms of Philadelphia, you'd be surprised a number of

1555
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 13: people living in Philadelphia today right now. It's not something

1556
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 13: that took place one hundred years ago. As you pointed out,

1557
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 13: this story was reported by national media in twenty twenty two,

1558
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 13: four years ago. But you could talk to people in

1559
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 13: Philadelphia today, they have no idea that the experimentation even

1560
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 13: took place, even though it's been publicized. And that's not

1561
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 13: by accident. Malcolm makes understood the reason systems are set

1562
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 13: up and how systems work, and it's important for us

1563
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 13: to understand again it's not an individual, not a system.

1564
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 13: And for people who take the time to read the

1565
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 13: article Philadelphia apologize to black people. When you read very

1566
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 13: carefully the article, what you're going to discover is that

1567
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 13: in those articles they say that because of that quote

1568
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 13: timed statute of limitations, that time has run out, there's

1569
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 13: nothing people can do, and.

1570
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:21,719
Speaker 9: It's just not true.

1571
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 13: But of course, if you read that and believe it,

1572
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 13: you'll walk away saying, it's incredible that these experimentations on

1573
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 13: black people, but there's nothing we can do. And that's

1574
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 13: just not true. And that was in twenty twenty two.

1575
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,759
Speaker 13: And yet ask yourself or ask the audience this question,

1576
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 13: why didn't we heard about this? Why haven't they not

1577
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 13: been a national outrage that they took three hundred people

1578
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,839
Speaker 13: black inmates, did all kinds of experimentations on them, including

1579
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 13: including using orange agent orange, and these people, these three

1580
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 13: other black men who were subject to this, never were compensated.

1581
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 13: The didn't get a penny. What they got was an

1582
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 13: apology by the mayor of Philadelphia. And the reason they

1583
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 13: didn't get a penny, according to the article, is because

1584
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 13: getting the statue of limitation. Now, anybody knows anything. You

1585
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 13: don't have to be a great lawyer or Perry Mason

1586
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 13: to know this. There's only one law, one crime that

1587
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 13: there is no statue of limitation on it, and that

1588
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 13: crime is called murder. And there were people who were

1589
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 13: literally murdered as a result of those experimentations. But again,

1590
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 13: we're the leadership where the voice is like a Malcolm

1591
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 13: X speaking up and speaking out so clearly a defiantly thing,

1592
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 13: what you're doing to our people cannot continue. Where's that voice?

1593
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 13: Why have we not heard from the Congression of Black Harkness.

1594
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 13: Do you imagine any other group in America where you've

1595
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 13: identified that they're being treated differently based on their race

1596
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 13: as it relates to RAS based on their incarceration in

1597
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 13: Philadelphia based on their race, and no outrage? Why have

1598
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 13: we not heard from the Congression of Black Carts? Why

1599
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 13: not people raise and say it. We're right now going

1600
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 13: to an audit. Right now, those of you who are

1601
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 13: listening to the follow your taxes. If you're subject to

1602
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 13: getting an audit, you now know why you're getting this audit.

1603
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 13: What is your federal representative doing about it? Why are

1604
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 13: they not more outrage? And I think the ELSA is

1605
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 13: lack of leadership?

1606
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 2: All right? Hold up, thought right there, because we're gonna

1607
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 2: check the traffic and weather in our different cities a

1608
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 2: mic and up A Marlborough has a question for you

1609
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,600
Speaker 2: as well. This is this is fascinating news. And I

1610
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 2: let me just say this. They're doing it in Philly,

1611
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 2: they probably do it in every city across the country

1612
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 2: as well. And what if the question is what are

1613
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 2: they doing with all this information? They're doing experiments on

1614
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 2: black inmates and probably black female and male inmates as well.

1615
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 2: Family learning some stuff. This morning from Karl snow and

1616
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 2: he's a guest. These are civil rights actress out of Baltimore.

1617
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 2: You'd like to speak to him, reach out to us

1618
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 2: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six.

1619
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 2: We'll take a phone call. Have to we check the

1620
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 2: trafficing weather. That's next and Grand Rising family in Faanks

1621
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 2: are staying with us on this Tuesday morning with our guests,

1622
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 2: the civil rights actress out of Baltimore, Carl Snowden a momentary,

1623
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 2: we're going to speak with Bamba La Mumba, one of

1624
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 2: our grills working out of Washington, d C. Out of

1625
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,560
Speaker 2: a moja house. But but the things we learned this

1626
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 2: morning from Carl snow and that the the the IRS

1627
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 2: disproportionately reviews black income tax fileist. That's they you know,

1628
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 2: he says, they do it by the zip code. But

1629
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 2: they pick on us more than any other group in

1630
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 2: the city of Philadelphia, you know, experimenting with black inmates.

1631
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,560
Speaker 2: They apologize for them that after they've been doing it.

1632
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 2: And this is not we're not talking about the sixties,

1633
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 2: the seventies, or the eighties. We're talking about in the

1634
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenties when this happened Carlton Mike in Upper Maupor

1635
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 2: has a question or comment for You's online three Grand

1636
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:45,560
Speaker 2: Rising Mic. You're on with Carl Snowden.

1637
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 9: Morning.

1638
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 5: Snow Uh.

1639
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 9: First of all, I want to say that you're doing

1640
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 9: this and I could donate the only I just say this.

1641
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 9: I read malcolm book, you know, four times when I

1642
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 9: was nineteen. It changed my life, yem and the panthers.

1643
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 9: I was ready into this system to realize this system

1644
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 9: wasn't right. Well, what I just want to say is

1645
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 9: this the book that Malcolm dictionary that Malcolm studied room

1646
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 9: was called The Loons of Languages, The Loans of Languages,

1647
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 9: And that's pretty much I had to say. And I

1648
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 9: just make you so much book.

1649
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 5: Bring it about all right?

1650
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 2: Thanks Mike, Carl you want to respond or anything that

1651
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 2: I just want to.

1652
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 13: I just wanted to let Michael know that he liked.

1653
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 13: Millions of people were affected by Malcolm, and there's a

1654
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 13: reason why people don't want people to lift Malcolm up

1655
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 13: on this pedestal. There has been a concerted effort to

1656
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 13: de emphasize who Malcolm X was. But so much of

1657
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 13: what he said and with so much of what he's

1658
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 13: predicted It's come true. Man, Who can deny now in

1659
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 13: twenty twenty six, some of the incredible observations that Malcolm

1660
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,639
Speaker 13: made fifty years ago? Who can deny it? Who can deny?

1661
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 13: As Malcolm once said, the most disrespected black woman, the

1662
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 13: most disrespected woman in America is a black woman. And

1663
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 13: in this year, twenty twenty six, we see Donald Trump

1664
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 13: put out a video showing Michelle Obama as an ape.

1665
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 13: Do you know what that would have happened? If that

1666
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 13: had happened to any other group of folk around this country?

1667
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,560
Speaker 13: Where you take a black woman as prominent as she is,

1668
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 13: called her an ape, refuse to apologize? And I paid

1669
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,959
Speaker 13: attention to the reaction. Where was our rage? Where's our leadership?

1670
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 13: There's a feminist organization called the National Organization of Women

1671
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 13: who primarily supposed to focus on the issues of women.

1672
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 13: Why didn't they raise sand about a black woman being

1673
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 13: disrespected like that? What happened to our congression of black hawkness?

1674
01:33:54,560 --> 01:34:00,120
Speaker 13: What's outrage? And again, had Malcolm voices like Malcolm be

1675
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 13: alive today on the national level, you could absolutely a

1676
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 13: guarantee that they've been more outraged that.

1677
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 2: He'd let me jump in here for a second, Carl

1678
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 2: speaking about Michelle Obama because they were talking about Michelle

1679
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 2: was a man and that and this is some some

1680
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 2: white folks started. And then we had black people, black people,

1681
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 2: black people joining in that course, and and and and

1682
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 2: trying to despise assistant Michelle Obama and this, and they

1683
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,640
Speaker 2: they thought it was funny and they don't know they

1684
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 2: were being used. Some of them probably were being used.

1685
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 2: Some of the might have being paid, but just to

1686
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 2: put down Michelle Obama, which was probably probably the most

1687
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 2: educated first lady in this country's ever had, but they

1688
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 2: so they had to attack her like that. But the

1689
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 2: part that gets me is you have people look like

1690
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 2: us Carl who joined in on that that that would

1691
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 2: other groups wouldn't do that. They would, they would decry that,

1692
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 2: they would they wouldn't even let anybody say something about

1693
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 2: one of their folks. But we got black people who

1694
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 2: do that. I just want to get your reaction.

1695
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 13: To that nineteen sixty three grass measures to the grass roots,

1696
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 13: Malcolm X, the House Negro and the field Negro. I

1697
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 13: mean that has always existed. You know, any scholar will

1698
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 13: tell you people who will make this foolish statement that

1699
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 13: the African American community is monolithic. Don't know history. They

1700
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 13: don't know history. They don't know the fact that Martin

1701
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 13: Luther King's junior mother was murdered by a black man,

1702
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 13: in my opinion, at the hands of the government. But

1703
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 13: they don't know that. There has just assumed he was

1704
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 13: a deranged black man who shot Martin Luther King Jr.

1705
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 13: If people really knew the real story, boy who murdered

1706
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 13: Malcolm X and Y. Although black hands were used to

1707
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 13: do it, how sophisticated the government was in using black

1708
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:50,719
Speaker 13: people for that purpose. Again, if one reads history, Martin

1709
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 13: Luther King Jr. Goes to Memphis, Tennessee, a riot breaks off.

1710
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 13: This is before he's assassinated.

1711
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 9: We now know that the.

1712
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 13: People who participated in reading the problem were Barbaca Tours

1713
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 13: agents of their FBI. This is not any secret. Anybody

1714
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 13: who does the research will discover this. So black mercenaries

1715
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 13: have always been utilized. This is not unusual to see

1716
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 13: black people being treated the way they're being treated.

1717
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:18,839
Speaker 7: It's just not unusual.

1718
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,959
Speaker 13: It is been part of our history and it continues

1719
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 13: to be And so what I would tell people is

1720
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 13: there's a reason there's a temp Scott in America. There

1721
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 13: is a reason that there's a Clarence Thomas in America.

1722
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 13: And if you read the history of our people, it's

1723
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 13: crystal clear why they exist. You know, not everyone is

1724
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 13: committed towards liberating their people. That's that's clear.

1725
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:45,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Anderson said. Claude Anderson says that always confine

1726
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 2: with somebody to sell us out. They don't have to

1727
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 2: look too far. Let me take you one quick call

1728
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 2: for you, Enox calling from Los Angeles online to Enoch.

1729
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 2: You only Carl Snow and your question of the comic.

1730
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 14: Granarizing brother Carl and brother car Thank you, good morning.

1731
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love the reason.

1732
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 14: I'm gonna respawnd on a couple of things regarding Malcolm

1733
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 14: xics his influential ability to liberate ones on one's best

1734
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 14: his generation is so amazing, how he continues to influence

1735
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 14: one's his wise frind, you know, I was very influenced

1736
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 14: when I read the autobiography of Malcolm X. It's made

1737
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 14: a lasting impression on my life, you know.

1738
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:39,679
Speaker 1: Just lead.

1739
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 14: Just to comment on one smart aspect.

1740
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 13: On Malcolm X.

1741
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 14: I want to explund on the Garvy I foundation that

1742
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 14: Malcolm had, you know, him being a Garby offspring. I

1743
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:00,120
Speaker 14: think it has so much to do with his some

1744
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:07,600
Speaker 14: influential ability to liberate with his words. So because we

1745
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 14: all know the power of Marcus God's words song and

1746
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 14: for Malcom to come on burn that fire, you know,

1747
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 14: and liberate with the words so that he that he did,

1748
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 14: you know, I think they're still afraid of that fire

1749
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 14: that's burning still, you know, And that's why he's he's

1750
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 14: been you know, down put a press. His legacy has

1751
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 14: been oppressed, so so much passes, you know, his life

1752
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 14: spun and they don't want the new generations of of

1753
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,640
Speaker 14: of young black children to know about his power. But

1754
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 14: I think it's a duty for us to keep burning

1755
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 14: this Marcom X fire and to keep doing what you

1756
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 14: guys are doing this, you know, this rising is honoring

1757
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 14: him and letting people know the power and the legacy

1758
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 14: that still lives on. When we say Malcolm, Malik l

1759
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:02,600
Speaker 14: Hodge samads.

1760
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 2: All right, yes, thanks, Enoch, Carl you want to come

1761
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:09,880
Speaker 2: in on and think NOx said, yeah, I would to just.

1762
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 13: Say that he's I mean, he's on a spot on.

1763
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 13: To understand Malcolm is to understanding that knowledge is a

1764
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 13: lifelong journey. Malcolm X loved books. Most people don't realize

1765
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 13: Malcolm was. We often look at Malcolm or they's portrayed

1766
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 13: as this far burned, but Malcolm was a scholar. His

1767
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 13: analysis was so on point, and it became as a

1768
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 13: result of his research. Malcolm would encourage people to read, Uh,

1769
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 13: there's this great I've read an FBI file with Malcolm

1770
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 13: X's being secretly under surveillance and his person he's speaking

1771
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 13: with at the time is James Baldwin, and this particular

1772
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 13: information that they put on this foul but Malcolm X's

1773
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 13: private conversation with James Baldwin, this is in an FBI

1774
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 13: follow It's just amazing how brilliant Malcolm X was and

1775
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 13: how brilliant James Balman was. I mean, this is incredible stuff.

1776
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 13: Two men having a candid discussion but where America is

1777
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:21,680
Speaker 13: around the issue of race, not realizing either of them

1778
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 13: at the time that they were on the surveillance, and

1779
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 13: so they're free to have this incredible conversation that I

1780
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 13: wish more of our people could read and see for themselves. Well,

1781
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 13: in two brilliant men having an incredible conversation, the kind

1782
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 13: of conversation one would have hoped that doctor King and

1783
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 13: Malcolm could have had privately that. By the way, it

1784
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 13: never happened, but it was an incredible moment to see

1785
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 13: that kind of history being unreal, you.

1786
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 2: Know, Carl, I thank you for share and your thoughts

1787
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 2: this morning. We've flying out of time, but I got

1788
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 2: to answer this because you got your FBI report? Did

1789
01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 2: you have to pay for it? You got to sue?

1790
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 2: How how can one get the FBI file these days?

1791
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:04,680
Speaker 13: Yeah? By the way, there's a federal law called the

1792
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 13: Freedom Information Act any citizen. Any citizen can request from

1793
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 13: any federal agency information that they have on them. I'll

1794
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 13: call if I could quickly say this just to end

1795
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 13: with this, because I want people to understand something. There

1796
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 13: is something universal, and I'm about to say something that

1797
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 13: I already know the answer to even before I ask

1798
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 13: you the question and the audience that's listening, because it's universal.

1799
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:33,640
Speaker 13: My question to you, have you not found yourself at

1800
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 13: some point in your life saying the following to yourself,

1801
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 13: something told me not to do that. Have you not

1802
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 13: hit that experience?

1803
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 2: Sure, your third mind.

1804
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:50,440
Speaker 13: Everybody who's listening to this program have hit that experience,

1805
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:54,919
Speaker 13: whereas at some moment in their life they found themselves

1806
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 13: saying something told me not to do that. And when

1807
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 13: I've discovered my life and which I know, Malcolm found

1808
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 13: out what that something was. And as long as we understand,

1809
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 13: if we listen to quote, that's something and it's the

1810
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:13,160
Speaker 13: reason why I'm still here talking to you. It's the

1811
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 13: reason why those who would would prefer that I'd be

1812
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 13: six feet under rather than six feet up. Once we

1813
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 13: understand who that something is or what that something is,

1814
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 13: you don't have anything to fear. You don't have to

1815
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 13: be afraid of anything because you understand who's in charge.

1816
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 13: And too often we allow others to tell us that

1817
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 13: they're in charge, and we believe it. But once you

1818
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 13: understand certain things Malcolm X said, if you freedom mind,

1819
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 13: you're free the soul. And for those who are listening,

1820
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 13: all I ask people to do is take the time

1821
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:52,520
Speaker 13: to do their own research, to discover things that existed

1822
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,640
Speaker 13: right now, even as we're speaking, things that's going on

1823
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 13: right now, and just ask yourself some questions, how is

1824
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 13: it he's able to do what he's been doing for

1825
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:03,679
Speaker 13: the last year.

1826
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 9: How's that possible?

1827
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 13: And again, just some research will bear out what I'm

1828
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:13,720
Speaker 13: about to tell you, that the history that we're going through,

1829
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 13: these periods that we're going through right now are not new.

1830
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 13: This is not new, but you have to have lived

1831
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 13: doing a certain era, do the research, and able to

1832
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 13: understand what is going on. So I'm very confident as

1833
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 13: we get ready to celebrate Malcolm X's birthday, that his

1834
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,560
Speaker 13: legacy will live on, not only for the memorial that

1835
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 13: we're going to be building, but hopefully as people have

1836
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:37,560
Speaker 13: been listening to this conversation, they too will go and

1837
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 13: pick up the all the biographie of Malcolm X, begin

1838
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:42,719
Speaker 13: to listen to what he was saying, and then apply

1839
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:45,879
Speaker 13: it in the twenty first century, and you'll be amazing

1840
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 13: how his observations transcends the time in which he lived.

1841
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 2: Gotcha, the calls not how can folks reach you? You

1842
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 2: have an email address or a website? How can we

1843
01:43:57,880 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 2: keep out in touch of what's going on with the

1844
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 2: thank for brother Malcolm?

1845
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 13: It's uh, I'm going to give it this telephone number

1846
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 13: out it's full four three eight seven one fifty six

1847
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 13: fifty six full four three eight seven one five six

1848
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 13: five six. I have to be happy to share the

1849
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 13: date and the time for the dedication and all of that.

1850
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 13: As we get closer to the unveiling. But Caul, I

1851
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:25,679
Speaker 13: want to thank you first for having me on the program,

1852
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 13: and thank you for what you're doing, because through your

1853
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 13: media you're educating more people than you could imagine an

1854
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 13: impact you're having. The impact of the show is having

1855
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 13: not only here in the Nation of America, but around

1856
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 13: the world. You'd be surprised who listens to your station

1857
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 13: and who are being impacted. Sometimes the vorces are very solid,

1858
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 13: but the impact is tremendous.

1859
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Thanks for the kind words. Yes,

1860
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 2: we figured out it's a lot of folks who listen,

1861
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 2: most people who call in. Most people listen, don't call

1862
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 2: in deceptive, you know, when you're doing programs like this,

1863
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:04,720
Speaker 2: they just like to listen. And what they do with

1864
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:06,720
Speaker 2: information then we don't know. But are you saying that

1865
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 2: it's impacting them? So I'll go with that. Thank you,

1866
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 2: Thank you, Carl Snow, and then keep us in the loop.

1867
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 13: Thank you, God bless all right, that's Kyl.

1868
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 2: Snow and the Civil Right shatters out of Baltimore and

1869
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 2: they have a tribute to Malcolm Xen is going to

1870
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 2: keep us more. We're going to provide more information on

1871
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 2: you about that. All right, sixteen half the top the out.

1872
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:27,880
Speaker 2: Baba Lamooma, thank you, Baba Lamoma for being so patient

1873
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 2: with us this morning.

1874
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,599
Speaker 9: Well, thank you for giving the opportunity to be patient.

1875
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:38,120
Speaker 2: Brother Baba Blooma. You hear the conversation we start off

1876
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 2: talking about brother Malcolm. I'll take it. You read Malcolm's autobiography.

1877
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, many years ago, bro, But I had as

1878
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:50,840
Speaker 9: the fortune of having conversations with Brother Malcolm before he passed.

1879
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:54,560
Speaker 9: But so you know, just like everybody else, he was

1880
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 9: the monumental influence.

1881
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:56,639
Speaker 5: In my life.

1882
01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 9: And listening to the brother, I realized that he was

1883
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,160
Speaker 9: the monumental influence in a lot of our lives.

1884
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 2: But you know, I didn't know you had the conversation.

1885
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't want you to share those those conversations here

1886
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:10,560
Speaker 2: with Brother Malcolm. Then we're going to talk about the

1887
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 2: tug of what being Black freedom movement and the Black power,

1888
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,560
Speaker 2: the independent movement. You know, some people were going for

1889
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 2: assimilation because they felt that was the best way for

1890
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 2: us as of people that we should achieve, and other

1891
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 2: folks are going for now. We want independence. We don't

1892
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:26,679
Speaker 2: want to deal with that. We want to due for ourselves.

1893
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 2: But we got to take a quick break and we

1894
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 2: come back. I'll let you get into that family. You

1895
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 2: want to join this conversation. Our guess is one of

1896
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 2: our grills. His name is Baba la Mumba. He works

1897
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 2: out of a moja house in Washington, d C. Meets

1898
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:38,720
Speaker 2: with the council of elders. They have these great discussions

1899
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:40,640
Speaker 2: and then Baba la Mumba comes on the radio and

1900
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 2: expands it for us. You know how to reach us

1901
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 2: at the eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

1902
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,560
Speaker 2: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and

1903
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 2: grant rising family. Thanks for staying with us on this

1904
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 2: Tuesday morning. Our guess this Babel La Mumba. But as

1905
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 2: I mentioned, Babla la Mumba works out of a moja

1906
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:56,440
Speaker 2: house with a council of elders and these great discussions

1907
01:46:56,479 --> 01:46:58,640
Speaker 2: on what's going on in our community. And they come

1908
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 2: back and discuss the radio. So cope a couple of

1909
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:04,439
Speaker 2: friends until the Babla woman's on the radio this morning,

1910
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 2: and they'll they'll appreciate you, they'll thank you. Babl Wimber.

1911
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 2: You mentioned that you had a conversation with brother Malcolm.

1912
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:11,960
Speaker 2: Can you share that with us? What those talks are about.

1913
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:15,920
Speaker 9: Well, it's not really what I why. I was what

1914
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 9: I planned to talk about, but you know, it requires

1915
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 9: some background. I had a conversation with Malcolm before he

1916
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:29,719
Speaker 9: left the Nation Bislam. First, Malcolm was actually the head

1917
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:34,360
Speaker 9: of the Nation of Islam loss here in Washington, d C.

1918
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 9: And in New York. He was spent weekend. He spent

1919
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 9: one week in d C and one week in New York.

1920
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 9: People don't really know that, but he was actually the

1921
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:47,680
Speaker 9: head of both mosque. I'm head of both organizations, the

1922
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:50,600
Speaker 9: DC and the New York. So every other weekend he

1923
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 9: was here in d C and spoke at a place

1924
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 9: called WST Radio Hall. So I used to go and

1925
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 9: listen to him. And one of the things that the

1926
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 9: people in California wanted me to talk to him about,

1927
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 9: you know, and that goes back to talking about what

1928
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 9: my relationship to those the early Black Panther parties and

1929
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 9: the formation of the of that was, which I don't

1930
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 9: need to go into at this point, but they asked

1931
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 9: me because a group in California to call the Afro

1932
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 9: American Association, which is really the organization that kind of

1933
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 9: developed into both the US organization as well as the

1934
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,680
Speaker 9: Black Panther Party came out of people who belonged to

1935
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:40,360
Speaker 9: this Afro American Association. It was formed when Malcolm came

1936
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:44,599
Speaker 9: to California and he was refused the University of California

1937
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:48,480
Speaker 9: Berkeley wouldn't allow him to speak. So the Afro American Association,

1938
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:55,800
Speaker 9: which is headed by a guy named Donald Warden, I

1939
01:48:55,920 --> 01:49:02,800
Speaker 9: knew as Donald Warden. He he developed this association and

1940
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:06,639
Speaker 9: they developed they actually set up another location for Malcolm

1941
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:10,160
Speaker 9: to speak, and they wanted me to talk to Malcolm

1942
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 9: when because they knew I was here to tell him

1943
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:17,840
Speaker 9: what had happened to to the h since that time,

1944
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 9: since he was there and since that controversy. So I

1945
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:25,360
Speaker 9: went to WST and after he spoke, I went up

1946
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 9: and asked to speak to him, and he came out

1947
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 9: and we talked and I essentially filled him in to

1948
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,640
Speaker 9: fill them in on the background of what happened in

1949
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:38,320
Speaker 9: California after he left, in terms of, you know, what

1950
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,240
Speaker 9: actually occurred there, because that's what I was asked to do.

1951
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:44,680
Speaker 9: And then the second time I met with Malcolm, it

1952
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 9: was at the Audubon Ballroom really in New York after

1953
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 9: he came, after he had left the Nation of Islam.

1954
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:52,679
Speaker 9: They had gone to Africa and came back.

1955
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 7: So I went to.

1956
01:49:55,520 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 9: New York and to hear him and essentially did this thing,

1957
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 9: ask him to you know, after he spoke, uh, you know,

1958
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 9: to have a confidence him and I talked about, uh,

1959
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 9: you know, his trip to Africa and uh, why he

1960
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 9: left the nation of Islam, et cetera. He was he

1961
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:21,880
Speaker 9: explained to me his problems with Elijah and the fact

1962
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 9: that Elijah Muhammad had had actually taken advantage of of

1963
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 9: some young women around him and now that disillusioned and

1964
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:33,920
Speaker 9: et cetera. So those were the two occasions that I

1965
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 9: had occasions to talk directly to Brother Malcolm.

1966
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 2: So right, and you mentioned Donald Warden. We know him

1967
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 2: as doctor Khalid Almansour. He's to be on this program. Yeah, yeah,

1968
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 2: quite a bit.

1969
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 9: Yeah. He You know, he's a person another unsung hero

1970
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 9: in our community who was a monumental He's important figure

1971
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:57,560
Speaker 9: in the state of California. And I know you know

1972
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:01,040
Speaker 9: him because you spent so much on the California and

1973
01:51:02,479 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 9: but you know, he said, another one of these people

1974
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 9: who should be known has made a major contribution and

1975
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 9: was tuite quite influential in terms of the Black movies.

1976
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 9: In fact, much of what came out of California to

1977
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 9: be at Kwanza or be at the Black Panther Party

1978
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 9: would not have happened if it wasn't for him. He

1979
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 9: was really central to what came from the state of California.

1980
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:34,120
Speaker 9: As I said, I knew him as Donald Warden because

1981
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 9: I knew him prior to him adopting his Islamic name.

1982
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me just say this, anybody who's anybody in

1983
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 2: this country had his phone number on speed dial.

1984
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 4: I know him.

1985
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:50,760
Speaker 2: What got's done very well. Let me just share this

1986
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:53,639
Speaker 2: with with Doctor Kalama show. Remember when they were attacking

1987
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson and he came out with his story and

1988
01:51:57,080 --> 01:52:00,360
Speaker 2: all the hieroglyphics on the album that was that that's

1989
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 2: a Kalie Alamon suw and Mike Tyson got was in

1990
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:05,679
Speaker 2: jail and Don King called him up because the brothers

1991
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 2: wanted to test Mike's manhood in the joint. They called

1992
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:11,800
Speaker 2: up al Mansur al Mons That's what al Mansour had

1993
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 2: a discussion with the brothers in the joint and Mike

1994
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 2: agreed to become a Muslim, and so they stayed away

1995
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 2: fro him and they protect him. Was there's so many

1996
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:23,200
Speaker 2: of the stories I could tell about Kalie Alamansur. But yeah,

1997
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 2: but I want to move on to what we really

1998
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:30,800
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about. Yeah, yes, he was on Sung Hero.

1999
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:36,480
Speaker 2: There's there's so many things that he did, including including

2000
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 2: helping Barack Obama become the President of the United States.

2001
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:42,799
Speaker 2: So there's so much other stories that the Kalie Almonds.

2002
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:45,640
Speaker 2: So those are folks who though look about He's got

2003
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:47,800
Speaker 2: several books out there as well, but he done it,

2004
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 2: did it on the download. He didn't want people to

2005
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 2: know about this. In the later years, I found out

2006
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:55,720
Speaker 2: how he's involvement with James Brown say loud, I'm Black

2007
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 2: and I'm proud we worked with James Brown come up

2008
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 2: with that song. But that's not a we originally wanted

2009
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:03,160
Speaker 2: to talk about because we lets you talk about doctor

2010
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:05,160
Speaker 2: Kyle Allman, so we can go on for days talking

2011
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:06,800
Speaker 2: about him. But I want to talk about the talk

2012
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:08,679
Speaker 2: of war in the in the black in the black

2013
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 2: freedom movement, because we have two groups and they seem

2014
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:13,760
Speaker 2: to be battling each other at all times. We have

2015
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 2: the ones who want a similation basically with the civil

2016
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:20,920
Speaker 2: rights groups. Also the black power groups like the Black Power,

2017
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:23,679
Speaker 2: the Black Panther Party, and also the Nation of Islam

2018
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 2: who wanted independence. Looking back, Baby Lumba, which one, which

2019
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 2: one made the right decision, and which one do you

2020
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 2: think was successful?

2021
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 9: You know, that's that's really a much more complicated question

2022
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 9: than the right and wrong. You know, when you look

2023
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:47,720
Speaker 9: at the civil rights Lamber reference. In otherwords, their goal,

2024
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:51,200
Speaker 9: their definition of freedom is what I say. They define

2025
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 9: freedom as successful assimilation into this society. And they totally

2026
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:00,280
Speaker 9: disregard the fact that we were brought here to be

2027
01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 9: to serve white people, to do their bidding, that that

2028
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:08,599
Speaker 9: our job was to serve them, that's why we're here

2029
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 9: in the first place, and that and that we have

2030
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:15,720
Speaker 9: to actually change that. Our job cannot be serving them,

2031
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:19,560
Speaker 9: Our job has to be serving ourselves. So but but

2032
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 9: the reality is that living in a society means that

2033
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:25,240
Speaker 9: you need certain things. You need to go to school,

2034
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 9: you need a job, you need health care, et cetera.

2035
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,080
Speaker 9: And a lot of times that boils down to civil

2036
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:37,440
Speaker 9: rights kind of objectives, you know, which stay in the

2037
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:44,880
Speaker 9: confines of assimilation. So it's understandable for example, why doctor

2038
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:48,480
Speaker 9: King was you know, for intyaction. No one can say

2039
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:53,760
Speaker 9: that doctor King was wrong in attacking uh uh segregation.

2040
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 9: That he was that you know, your right to to

2041
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:00,400
Speaker 9: to eat at a lunch can, lunch counter, you're right

2042
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:02,600
Speaker 9: to go to school, et cetera, et cetera, with a

2043
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:06,680
Speaker 9: critical fight. Now, whether it's sufficient and whether it constitutes

2044
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 9: freedom is another matter. It's one of the things that's

2045
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:18,120
Speaker 9: interesting about the the notion that's separate is inherently unequal. Well,

2046
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 9: separate is not inherently unequal. It's only unequal because we

2047
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 9: don't have the resources to make it equal. You know,

2048
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 9: if if you know, there's no reason to feel that

2049
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 9: just because you're separate, you have to you have to

2050
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:37,000
Speaker 9: be unequal. We can be set, we can be separate

2051
01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 9: and equal. We can be separate and superior here for

2052
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:43,200
Speaker 9: that matter, But that's really not not the point. The

2053
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 9: point is that are to make our lives livable here

2054
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 9: you need certain things that you have to get from

2055
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,560
Speaker 9: the major society. That means that the civil rights movement

2056
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:58,480
Speaker 9: has a high degree of validity. There's nothing inherently wrong

2057
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 9: with the notion that making your life better getting education,

2058
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:10,280
Speaker 9: getting a job, getting health care is wrong. But on

2059
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:15,120
Speaker 9: the other hand, it is clearly insufficient. You have to build.

2060
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:18,160
Speaker 9: A movement has to elevate your people, has to strengthen

2061
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:23,280
Speaker 9: your people. A movement has to in fact work towards

2062
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:26,600
Speaker 9: your people having more power. And that's the part that

2063
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:31,320
Speaker 9: it leads out. It leads out the notion that our

2064
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:35,600
Speaker 9: real goal is to elevate our people. Our real goal

2065
01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 9: is self determination, Our real goal is becoming our own masters. Again,

2066
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:45,720
Speaker 9: our real goal is connecting with our ancestors, connecting with Africa, etc.

2067
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:50,720
Speaker 9: But what you have is this struggle that's going on

2068
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:52,640
Speaker 9: a long time. I call it a trugg of war

2069
01:56:53,480 --> 01:57:00,560
Speaker 9: between these two focuses, the focus of assimilation being the

2070
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:04,720
Speaker 9: answer or the definition of freedom, and on the other hand,

2071
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 9: liberation or independence being the definition uh definition of freedom.

2072
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 11: Uh.

2073
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 9: And this has gone on, it started, I would say,

2074
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:19,280
Speaker 9: one of the when, for example, du Bois, which is

2075
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:23,840
Speaker 9: another interesting person because Dubois is a person who who

2076
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:27,760
Speaker 9: really operate, operated somewhat in the middle of this controversy

2077
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:31,840
Speaker 9: when he fought Walter White and the uh uh and

2078
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,440
Speaker 9: du Bois fought and Walter White. If people don't know

2079
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:37,520
Speaker 9: who Walter White was, Walter White was a black man

2080
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 9: who looked like a white man, who was literally the

2081
01:57:42,240 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 9: leader of the na a c P. He was like

2082
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 9: the most prominent, he was the spokesman. He was he

2083
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:52,400
Speaker 9: but he literally looked like a white man, even though

2084
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 9: he was obviously he was not a white man. He

2085
01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 9: was he was a uh a very very light skin

2086
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 9: and almost white black man, so to speak. And the

2087
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:09,360
Speaker 9: Voice and him fought over the nuaac and the Voice

2088
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 9: ends up leaving in nineteen thirty eight. The boys left

2089
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:16,400
Speaker 9: the NAACP. Why because he thought that the focus of

2090
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:21,640
Speaker 9: the NAACP should be on improving black people in their communities,

2091
01:58:22,200 --> 01:58:25,920
Speaker 9: elevating black people, making us stronger in our communities. Walter

2092
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:31,400
Speaker 9: White felt that the NAACP should be known about eliminating

2093
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:33,000
Speaker 9: our communities, about.

2094
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:35,960
Speaker 1: You know, just.

2095
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:42,840
Speaker 9: Integrating into other communities, dissipating. They're literally eliminating and integrating

2096
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:46,960
Speaker 9: into the assimilating into the society. So this battle has

2097
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:49,600
Speaker 9: gone on a long way. It's interesting because the Voice,

2098
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:52,200
Speaker 9: even though he felt that way and he's always felt

2099
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:57,480
Speaker 9: that way, he fought Garvey over the issue of Africa.

2100
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:04,760
Speaker 9: That is to say, Barbi said, no, Africa is our base. Well,

2101
01:59:05,160 --> 01:59:09,360
Speaker 9: du Bois initially did not think that that was such

2102
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 9: a good idea, but ultimately the boys ended up in Africa,

2103
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 9: So in reality, the boys became mc garvyak. He ended

2104
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:21,440
Speaker 9: up accepting a Garby. So what you see in Dubois

2105
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:26,520
Speaker 9: is a person who kind of represents this dichotomy, but

2106
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:31,000
Speaker 9: he also represents the change in emphasis. He also represents

2107
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:35,320
Speaker 9: moving from the position of assimilation as being the answer

2108
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 9: to moving towards black strength being the answer, moving towards

2109
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:41,840
Speaker 9: the left.

2110
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:44,680
Speaker 2: Right there, Bobby Lamb twenty seven, Away from the topic,

2111
01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:47,840
Speaker 2: I gives me a chance toy mentioning the boys. There's

2112
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:51,040
Speaker 2: a documentary that's going to come out on Malcolm's birthday

2113
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 2: May nineteenth on w EV de Bois called w E.

2114
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:59,160
Speaker 2: Debois a rebel with a cause. And some of my

2115
01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:00,960
Speaker 2: peeps out in LA they went to They saw it

2116
02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:02,760
Speaker 2: last night and they've been calling there and tell him

2117
02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:05,120
Speaker 2: we've got to we've got to get behind this because

2118
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:07,200
Speaker 2: it tells it talks about what you're talking about here.

2119
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:10,600
Speaker 2: It struggles with with with with brother Malcolm and with

2120
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:13,960
Speaker 2: other people at that time, but not by Malcolm, with

2121
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:17,640
Speaker 2: Marcus Goffy. But let me ask you this, though, is

2122
02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:20,320
Speaker 2: it always been the one side wants to assimilate and

2123
02:00:20,440 --> 02:00:23,600
Speaker 2: one side wants to be independent. If that's the case,

2124
02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 2: where was the boy was? He wants the simulation and

2125
02:00:27,200 --> 02:00:29,960
Speaker 2: the segregation is though where would you put him? What

2126
02:00:30,040 --> 02:00:30,720
Speaker 2: team would he do?

2127
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:31,120
Speaker 4: Well?

2128
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:34,839
Speaker 9: The Boys moved from one. Now the Boys was always

2129
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:39,320
Speaker 9: focused on improving black people's lives, but he thought that

2130
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:42,760
Speaker 9: that was essentially in the context of America. That was

2131
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:47,640
Speaker 9: not He did not include Africa initially in the process

2132
02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:51,760
Speaker 9: of improving black people's lives, so improving Black Americans lives,

2133
02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:56,200
Speaker 9: et cetera. And then even with that position he had

2134
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,400
Speaker 9: he had to fight Walter White and he had to

2135
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:02,080
Speaker 9: fight the NAACP, which he ended up leaving because of

2136
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:06,920
Speaker 9: that issue. But he ended up eventually in Africa, accepting

2137
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:11,840
Speaker 9: the notion that that our future, our strength, our base

2138
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:15,840
Speaker 9: has to be in Africa. It can't be in America.

2139
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:21,920
Speaker 9: In other words, Garvey's basic notion that black people need

2140
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:26,760
Speaker 9: to develop their strength where they their homeland, the African continent.

2141
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:30,840
Speaker 9: So you know, you can see you can see the

2142
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:33,920
Speaker 9: voice on both sides of that. And I think the

2143
02:01:34,040 --> 02:01:38,480
Speaker 9: voice is an example of somebody who grew, somebody who understood,

2144
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:41,680
Speaker 9: somebody who went from one side to the other side.

2145
02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:44,760
Speaker 9: So he's a perfect he's somebody who should be studied,

2146
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:47,960
Speaker 9: he should be understood. And he clearly was a great scholar.

2147
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:52,840
Speaker 9: Someone said he's our was our greatest scholar. So his

2148
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Speaker 9: his his motion, his movement from one perspective to another,

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Speaker 9: wasn't certainly scholar, was certainly well bought out with, certainly

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Speaker 9: fundamentally not only honest, but fundamentally sound.

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Speaker 2: So you know, well, hold on thought there, because we

2152
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Speaker 2: got to take a show break and we come back.

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Speaker 2: Tell us though you made you mentioned the boys' transition

2154
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Speaker 2: as opposing Garvey, he was there helping them, getting Marcus

2155
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Speaker 2: Garvey deported. Somehow he becomes a Garfy ied? Does he

2156
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Speaker 2: become a Garvey eited? After God? He gets help get

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Speaker 2: Garvey kicked out of the country. When when did this

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Speaker 2: transformation that take place? When it do all he's all

2159
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Speaker 2: of a sudden start to embrace Africa. I'll let you

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Speaker 2: share that with us when we get back. Family. You

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Speaker 2: two want to get in on our discussion with Baba Lamuma.

2162
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Speaker 2: He works out of a Moja house in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: With a council of elders. They have these great discussions

2164
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Speaker 2: and they bring him on the radio. You know how

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Speaker 2: to reach us eight hundred four or five zero, seventy

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Speaker 2: eight seventy sixty. Well take your phone calls next and

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this

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Speaker 2: Tuesday morning with our guest to Baba Lamomba. Babba Lumba

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Speaker 2: is one of our grills who works out of a

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Speaker 2: moja house in Washington, DC, and this morning we're discussing

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Speaker 2: the struggle between two groups of our groups of our

2172
02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:07,320
Speaker 2: in our community, those who want a similation. They will

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Speaker 2: be the most of the civil rights groups and the

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Speaker 2: Black Power groups, the Black Panther Party, the Nation of

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02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:16,000
Speaker 2: Islam who wanted independence. But this started way before them.

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Speaker 2: This back as you mentioned with du Boi and Walter White,

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Speaker 2: the NAACP, and you can throw in the talented tenth

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Speaker 2: as well on one side. And he also mentioned that

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Speaker 2: du Boy switched over. So before we go into that though,

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Speaker 2: let me just remind you. Coming up later this week,

2181
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Speaker 2: we're gonna hear from the founder of the Black Lawyers

2182
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Speaker 2: for Justice. There'll be attorney Malis Shabaz, also physicians, scientist

2183
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:37,120
Speaker 2: doctor Vevel Bulls will join us. So if you are

2184
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Speaker 2: in Baltimore, make sure that radio is locked in tight

2185
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Speaker 2: on ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV

2186
02:03:42,040 --> 02:03:45,760
Speaker 2: or on fourteen fifty WL all right, boby l. At

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02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:49,560
Speaker 2: what point did did du Boi decide to flip over?

2188
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Speaker 2: Because he was part of that with the NAACP, as

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, as part of that group, and they thought

2190
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:57,360
Speaker 2: assimilation because they were all educated, the Boulet, you know,

2191
02:03:58,040 --> 02:04:00,280
Speaker 2: the upper crust of the black community, and they looked

2192
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Speaker 2: down on the Garvey Heites who were struggling for independence.

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Speaker 2: At what point, Dell did the Bois decide he was

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Speaker 2: becoming quote unquote a Garvey Heide.

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Speaker 9: If you will, well, let me just say my declaration

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Speaker 9: that he became a garvey heid It was the simple

2197
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Speaker 9: fact that he moved and moved to Africa and began

2198
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Speaker 9: to realize that's where he had to build a power

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Speaker 9: base for black people, which is which essentially is Garvey's position.

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Speaker 9: But I also want to talk about in terms of

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Speaker 9: this dichotomy, why Stokely, for example, left Snick. Why Snick,

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Speaker 9: for example, put in nineteen sixty five Nick put all

2203
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Speaker 9: the white people out. They don't talk about this anymore,

2204
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:46,880
Speaker 9: but the whole movement was in the sixties was moving

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Speaker 9: from the civil rights position to what I would call

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Speaker 9: the black power position or the independence position, or the.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 9: Africa. He's making use of Africa both culturally and politically

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Speaker 9: as a base on which you can will build a

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Speaker 9: future for black people. So you know, you'd had you

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Speaker 9: not only had your boys. Example, you had of course

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Speaker 9: Malcolm versus King example, Uh, you had Snick, the evolution

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Speaker 9: of Snick. You had Stokely as an example. You had

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Speaker 9: for example, when you talk about the Black Party pas

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Speaker 9: de Party, you use them as a context in this context.

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Speaker 9: But that's that's a little more difficult to deal with

2217
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:38,520
Speaker 9: because the Black Panther Party that people know whether which

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Speaker 9: is the Black Panther Party the self defense which is

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Speaker 9: the construct of Obby. See you Newton really wasn't a

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Speaker 9: black nationalist group. It really was a group who focused

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Speaker 9: on assimilation in many ways. They they they became sort

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Speaker 9: of a manifestation of the third world concept, the concept

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Speaker 9: of white versus non white, not necessarily black black people proper,

2224
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:18,280
Speaker 9: but white versus non white and the concept of revolution.

2225
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Speaker 9: And then you asked yourself, well, where did this concept

2226
02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:23,960
Speaker 9: of revolution come from? Well, the concept of revolution came

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02:06:24,040 --> 02:06:29,839
Speaker 9: from Cuba. Robert Williams, who went to Cuba, who actually

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Speaker 9: started a group called RAM Revolutionary Action Movement. Revolutionary Action

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02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:39,920
Speaker 9: Movement was essentially a manifestation of the notion that black

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Speaker 9: people could carry out a revolution. Now what would what

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02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:46,520
Speaker 9: would that mean? Black people are thirteen fourteen fifteen concenter

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Speaker 9: of the population. So what would that mean if you

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02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:52,960
Speaker 9: if you carried out a revolution of black revolution, would

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Speaker 9: other people follow you? Would you create a nation that

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Speaker 9: was that you controlled the answers?

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Speaker 1: No, that.

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Speaker 9: Wasn't going to happen. So the Panther Party, at least

2238
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Speaker 9: the Panther Party that people recognize as the Panther Party,

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Speaker 9: that is, the Black Panther Party of Self Defense, the

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Speaker 9: Healing Newton, Bobby Seal Pastor Party. People don't realize the

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Speaker 9: Black Panther Party actually started Lowndes County, Alabama at least.

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Speaker 9: And the revolutionary aspect that was added by RAM, which

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Speaker 9: is Robert Williams, the father of the Black self defense

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Speaker 9: movement from Cuba. That's really where the Black Panther Party

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Speaker 9: was developed. It was developed in that context of self defense.

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Speaker 9: It was developed in the context of Cuba, which had

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Speaker 9: had carried in fifty nine Cuba carried out a successful

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Speaker 9: revolution against the chasing white influence, the American influence out

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Speaker 9: of Cuba. So that had a tremendous influence on the

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Speaker 9: formation of the notion that black people could carry out

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Speaker 9: a revolution, which is where the Black Panther Party, especially

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Speaker 9: the Black Panther Party that Hewi and Bahami was that

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02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:15,320
Speaker 9: created the Black Panther part and self defense. You know,

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Speaker 9: that had a tremendous influence on what that represented. But

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Speaker 9: you know, the idea of revolution, So you know, the

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Speaker 9: Black Panther Party is an interesting group because it kind

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Speaker 9: of exists between the two entities. The Black Panther Party

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Speaker 9: really wasn't an entity that sought to create an independent

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Speaker 9: state for black people because you know, when you're thirteen

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Speaker 9: to fourteen percent of the population, that's really impossible. Then

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Speaker 9: you had the groups like the Republican New Africa who

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Speaker 9: picked out four states, five states, and was its goal

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Speaker 9: was to create a nation within those five states. Now,

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02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:57,760
Speaker 9: how was that going to happen. We don't know how

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02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:00,840
Speaker 9: that was going to happen, but they could contention was

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Speaker 9: that we could develop five states in this country that

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Speaker 9: would be black people and black that would constitute a

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Speaker 9: nation in this country. Well, you know, when we look

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Speaker 9: back at the value of where was that, what would that,

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02:09:12,760 --> 02:09:15,360
Speaker 9: what would those five states be, and how would you

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Speaker 9: create it? How would you actually create five states take

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Speaker 9: over five states? Because well, no answer was ever given

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Speaker 9: for those questions. In other words, a lot of what

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Speaker 9: we thought about at the time was totally unrealistic. There's

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Speaker 9: no way in the hell, and I'll use the words

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Speaker 9: a guid there's no way that you could create a

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Speaker 9: revolution in this country with thirteen to fourteen percent of

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02:09:40,280 --> 02:09:44,320
Speaker 9: the population that you control and ended up with an

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Speaker 9: independent state that for black people. That's really even though

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Speaker 9: we thought that, even though we contended that, we asserted

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Speaker 9: that it really wasn't sir, third, it really didn't make

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02:09:56,840 --> 02:10:02,240
Speaker 9: any sense. You really couldn't have it enough. I was

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02:10:02,360 --> 02:10:05,600
Speaker 9: talking to somebody earlier about the fact that the Republican

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02:10:05,640 --> 02:10:09,640
Speaker 9: New Africa did not include Florida. Well, Florida is a

2285
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Speaker 9: country that would be close to Haiti. Cuba is a

2286
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:17,400
Speaker 9: country that is probably about sixty five percent black. You

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02:10:17,560 --> 02:10:22,680
Speaker 9: have the entire Caribbean, which is predominantly black, which you

2288
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:27,320
Speaker 9: could have made a nation from if you included Florida.

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02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:31,960
Speaker 9: You could in fact realistically think about a nation in

2290
02:10:32,120 --> 02:10:36,400
Speaker 9: this hemisphere that you could work towards creating but that

2291
02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:41,720
Speaker 9: wasn't the concept. The concept was five states that you

2292
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:46,320
Speaker 9: couldn't possibly secure, and if you secured them, you couldn't

2293
02:10:46,440 --> 02:10:53,240
Speaker 9: possibly create an independent country. Would that country be subservient

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Speaker 9: to America? In other words, if you just had the

2295
02:10:55,560 --> 02:10:58,800
Speaker 9: five states, what would all the other states be? Would

2296
02:10:58,840 --> 02:11:01,440
Speaker 9: they be America? Would they have control over you?

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Speaker 5: Etc?

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Speaker 9: And the answer is yes, clearly, they would have control

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02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:07,520
Speaker 9: over your food. First of all, you couldn't do it

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02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:09,680
Speaker 9: in the first place. There's no way you could create that.

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Speaker 9: So a lot of what we were thinking at the time,

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Speaker 9: a lot of the constructs political constructs that we were

2303
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:22,600
Speaker 9: coming up with were not very realistic at all for

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02:11:22,720 --> 02:11:26,480
Speaker 9: somebody who participated in those who felt them and believed

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Speaker 9: in there at the time. I have to come to

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02:11:29,080 --> 02:11:31,960
Speaker 9: griss with the fact that it was totally unrealistic when

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Speaker 9: I was eighteen and nineteen years old, even though I

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02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:37,840
Speaker 9: identified with the Republic of New Africa, there was no

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02:11:38,120 --> 02:11:42,400
Speaker 9: way in heck that black people were going to seize

2310
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Speaker 9: five states in this country and create a nation here here.

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02:11:48,920 --> 02:11:51,080
Speaker 9: We had to go back to garby the idea that

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Speaker 9: Africa really is the only place that we could create

2313
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Speaker 9: a power base that's fundamental to understanding of producing or

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Speaker 9: relating a past in a direction that makes sense. The

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Speaker 9: Due boys understood that. H stokely understood that.

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Speaker 2: But let me interject the first second here baba la

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Speaker 2: moment ten away from the top, they are Marion Barry.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Marion Barry. Which side was he one?

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02:12:18,640 --> 02:12:21,720
Speaker 2: Was he a simulationist or was the independence fighter?

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Speaker 9: Well, I think that Marion Berry and Jesse Jackson have

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Speaker 9: a lot in common. Marion Barry became the mayor Washington.

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Speaker 1: D C.

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Speaker 9: And ward dat Shiki's while he was mayor. In other words,

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Speaker 9: Marion Barry identified with when he was part of the

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Speaker 9: Snick movement that moved from a frame of reference of uh,

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02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:48,600
Speaker 9: you know, a frame of reference of assimilation to a

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02:12:48,720 --> 02:12:53,040
Speaker 9: frame of reference of of African independence and African strength

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02:12:53,080 --> 02:12:56,640
Speaker 9: and and African culture and making use of Africans. So

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Speaker 9: Maryon existed between the two. Now whether he you know what,

2330
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:04,800
Speaker 9: what was the significance his role as mayor? Well, I

2331
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:07,840
Speaker 9: think most people in d C, most Black people in DC,

2332
02:13:08,040 --> 02:13:10,960
Speaker 9: think he's the best mayor we ever had. That he

2333
02:13:11,120 --> 02:13:14,200
Speaker 9: did more for black people in this in this city

2334
02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:16,240
Speaker 9: than anybody else has ever done.

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Speaker 2: But let me in it Jack again. Did that hurt

2336
02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:22,480
Speaker 2: him politically? Politically though, because she was doing more for us?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely that that's that spelled his from the point

2338
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:31,120
Speaker 9: of view of white people's interests, that spelled his is undoing,

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02:13:31,400 --> 02:13:36,040
Speaker 9: There's no question about that. But you know, like most

2340
02:13:36,120 --> 02:13:39,080
Speaker 9: of us, he had his problems, He had his his

2341
02:13:39,560 --> 02:13:46,040
Speaker 9: his his foibles that you will, his shortcomings and his shortcoming.

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02:13:46,120 --> 02:13:46,880
Speaker 4: Well let me go back.

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02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we know it's shortcoming. But Babylon. But had

2344
02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:53,320
Speaker 2: he not goung down the Africa trip as you mentioned that,

2345
02:13:53,640 --> 02:13:55,800
Speaker 2: you know where the the shikis, he still was where

2346
02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:58,040
Speaker 2: you know, the three piece suit and you know, being

2347
02:13:58,080 --> 02:14:01,000
Speaker 2: the typical mayor of Washington, you see, would he have

2348
02:14:01,080 --> 02:14:04,120
Speaker 2: a longer political shelf life if she will.

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02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:10,080
Speaker 9: Well, yes, but it would have been a compromises shelf

2350
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:12,680
Speaker 9: life if you will. Let's, for example, let's look at

2351
02:14:13,120 --> 02:14:16,520
Speaker 9: Barack Obama. You know, as an example, Barack Obama became

2352
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:20,880
Speaker 9: president of the United States, but he also doubled the

2353
02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:25,600
Speaker 9: reward for Assata Shakur. He also was responsible responsible for

2354
02:14:25,720 --> 02:14:29,880
Speaker 9: the death of Kadafi, who was who was probably a

2355
02:14:30,120 --> 02:14:34,800
Speaker 9: very big asset to black people because he put a

2356
02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:38,120
Speaker 9: lot of money into black independence efforts and with a

2357
02:14:38,160 --> 02:14:41,400
Speaker 9: lot of efforts. But Barack Obama literally killed him. Why

2358
02:14:41,920 --> 02:14:46,640
Speaker 9: why did he Why did Barack Obama uh uh double

2359
02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:49,720
Speaker 9: the reward for Assauta Skur. He didn't have to do that.

2360
02:14:50,200 --> 02:14:52,800
Speaker 9: He did that to prove his loyalty to white people.

2361
02:14:53,160 --> 02:14:56,560
Speaker 9: He did that for the same reason that Clarence Thomas operates.

2362
02:14:56,760 --> 02:14:59,440
Speaker 9: In the way that Clarence Thomas operates, he did that.

2363
02:14:59,720 --> 02:15:04,080
Speaker 9: He's he is a person who has sold out to

2364
02:15:04,280 --> 02:15:08,080
Speaker 9: them as a condition on which he asked. Marian never

2365
02:15:08,200 --> 02:15:11,520
Speaker 9: did that, and of course he paid the price. But

2366
02:15:11,640 --> 02:15:14,840
Speaker 9: he died with honoring. I died with dignity. He died

2367
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:19,440
Speaker 9: with the reputation and of being the probably the best

2368
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:21,600
Speaker 9: politician Black people ever produced.

2369
02:15:22,440 --> 02:15:25,800
Speaker 2: Now, you know, I thought again, so how do you

2370
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:28,960
Speaker 2: think white folks in the district thought about Marion Barry.

2371
02:15:30,160 --> 02:15:33,720
Speaker 9: Well, of course they despised him, of course, but we

2372
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:37,160
Speaker 9: were seventy eighty percent of the population now, so they

2373
02:15:37,200 --> 02:15:40,520
Speaker 9: couldn't do anything about Marion Berry. They had to plan

2374
02:15:41,120 --> 02:15:44,040
Speaker 9: in the long term for his demise, for his destruction,

2375
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:49,480
Speaker 9: which of course they did. But you know they Marian

2376
02:15:50,440 --> 02:15:55,600
Speaker 9: proved to some extent that, a focus on Africa, a

2377
02:15:55,760 --> 02:15:58,720
Speaker 9: context with put your people you're in. In other words,

2378
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:02,520
Speaker 9: he was the of Washington, d C. In order to

2379
02:16:02,640 --> 02:16:05,840
Speaker 9: help black people. That's why he became mayor. That's why

2380
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:09,080
Speaker 9: his history was nick. His whole frame of reference was

2381
02:16:09,160 --> 02:16:12,120
Speaker 9: helping black people and getting in a position of power

2382
02:16:12,240 --> 02:16:14,720
Speaker 9: to help them, which is what our frame of reference

2383
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:17,800
Speaker 9: should be. Whether we're a politician, our frame of reference

2384
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:20,400
Speaker 9: should be helping black people. When you look at a

2385
02:16:20,440 --> 02:16:23,280
Speaker 9: Barack Obama, his frame of reference isn't helping black people.

2386
02:16:23,960 --> 02:16:27,840
Speaker 9: His frame of reference was showing loyalty to white people.

2387
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:33,039
Speaker 9: That's why he asides the she cour was he doubled

2388
02:16:33,320 --> 02:16:40,440
Speaker 9: the rub reward for her capture. That's why he ended

2389
02:16:40,520 --> 02:16:44,920
Speaker 9: up killing Kadafi. That's why he you know, because essentially

2390
02:16:45,320 --> 02:16:47,920
Speaker 9: those that's the line we have to be concerned about.

2391
02:16:48,200 --> 02:16:51,039
Speaker 9: That's the dichotomy we have to be concerned about. It's

2392
02:16:51,120 --> 02:16:53,600
Speaker 9: not so much that we don't exist in both worlds,

2393
02:16:53,600 --> 02:16:55,920
Speaker 9: because we do. We exist in the world in which

2394
02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:59,080
Speaker 9: we have to accommodate our needs here, which is kind

2395
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:02,160
Speaker 9: of like the civil perspective. The civil rights perspective is

2396
02:17:02,720 --> 02:17:07,039
Speaker 9: look here, let's improve ourselves here, Let's get some health care,

2397
02:17:07,320 --> 02:17:10,560
Speaker 9: Let's get some jobs, let's get some housing, Let's get

2398
02:17:10,720 --> 02:17:13,840
Speaker 9: let's get the things that we need here. The Black

2399
02:17:13,959 --> 02:17:18,720
Speaker 9: Nationalists and Black Independence movement, the Black power movements focuses, no,

2400
02:17:18,959 --> 02:17:21,520
Speaker 9: we have to help black in the process. We have

2401
02:17:21,680 --> 02:17:23,800
Speaker 9: to help black people. We have to yes, get what

2402
02:17:23,959 --> 02:17:26,640
Speaker 9: we need here, which is a civil rights perspective, and

2403
02:17:27,320 --> 02:17:33,680
Speaker 9: at the same time, you know, achieve strengthen black people

2404
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:38,720
Speaker 9: at the same time, increase our power, increase our influence,

2405
02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:44,000
Speaker 9: increase our stability. That means connecting with Africa both culturally

2406
02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:44,879
Speaker 9: and politically.

2407
02:17:45,879 --> 02:17:47,880
Speaker 2: Right hold, I thought right there, bubbaon, we got a

2408
02:17:47,879 --> 02:17:50,320
Speaker 2: step beside. Our stations can identify themselves down the line.

2409
02:17:50,320 --> 02:17:51,840
Speaker 2: I'll let you finish your thought when you get back.

2410
02:17:51,879 --> 02:17:54,280
Speaker 2: And Brother Ray Fauntroy is checking in from Miami, has

2411
02:17:54,320 --> 02:17:56,640
Speaker 2: a question or account for you family. You two could

2412
02:17:56,640 --> 02:17:58,400
Speaker 2: do the same live Brother Ray reach out to us

2413
02:17:58,440 --> 02:18:01,120
Speaker 2: at eight hundred and four or five years oh seventy

2414
02:18:01,200 --> 02:18:03,840
Speaker 2: eight seventy six and will take your phone calls next

2415
02:18:04,440 --> 02:18:06,440
Speaker 2: Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this

2416
02:18:06,520 --> 02:18:09,400
Speaker 2: Tuesday morning with our guest. Baba La Mumba is Baba

2417
02:18:09,440 --> 02:18:11,280
Speaker 2: Lamuma is one of our grills he works out of

2418
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:13,400
Speaker 2: the Moja House in Washington, d C. There's are a

2419
02:18:13,480 --> 02:18:16,400
Speaker 2: council of elders. They have these great discussions and then

2420
02:18:16,440 --> 02:18:18,760
Speaker 2: popular Mumma brings them on the radio. You like to

2421
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:20,600
Speaker 2: speak to him, reach out to us at eight hundred

2422
02:18:20,640 --> 02:18:23,840
Speaker 2: and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, Babaloma.

2423
02:18:23,879 --> 02:18:26,160
Speaker 2: I'll let you finish your thought. Then Brother Ray calling

2424
02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:28,240
Speaker 2: from Miami. He's got a question or a comment for you.

2425
02:18:29,360 --> 02:18:31,760
Speaker 9: Yeah. The other thing I want to mention several other

2426
02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:35,160
Speaker 9: people that are important in this process. Muhammad Ali became

2427
02:18:35,800 --> 02:18:40,520
Speaker 9: probably the most most admired person in the world with

2428
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:43,879
Speaker 9: the most as a member of the nature of Islam.

2429
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:49,560
Speaker 9: Remember Muhammad Ali very important person in terms of this

2430
02:18:49,959 --> 02:18:54,160
Speaker 9: understanding this conflict between black people and black the needs

2431
02:18:54,200 --> 02:18:58,560
Speaker 9: of black power. Also Kwanza. Development of Kwanza which came

2432
02:18:58,640 --> 02:19:02,000
Speaker 9: gives in that same period of time extremely important development.

2433
02:19:02,280 --> 02:19:06,160
Speaker 9: It allowed us to synthesize what we mean by Africa

2434
02:19:06,800 --> 02:19:11,280
Speaker 9: in simple terms in guzu cyba the uh. You know that,

2435
02:19:11,959 --> 02:19:14,120
Speaker 9: in other words, we needed a way to think about

2436
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:19,800
Speaker 9: African culture in some useful manner, some utilitarian manner that

2437
02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:24,000
Speaker 9: we could make use of. Quansa provided that Kuwanta provided

2438
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:29,040
Speaker 9: us an opportunity to actually carry out aspects of what

2439
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:32,040
Speaker 9: it meant to be, what it means to be and

2440
02:19:32,480 --> 02:19:35,240
Speaker 9: have an African frame of reference, an African cultural frame

2441
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:39,960
Speaker 9: of reference. So Kwansa was extremely important. Then the struggle

2442
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:46,240
Speaker 9: of around Marxism, it's an interesting class struggle of the

2443
02:19:46,400 --> 02:19:53,480
Speaker 9: Cuban connection. You know, it's interesting because the Marxists essentially

2444
02:19:53,959 --> 02:19:58,039
Speaker 9: believed that the basics of struggle is class, not race.

2445
02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:04,680
Speaker 9: Are understanding is that, you know, we are oppressed because

2446
02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:08,640
Speaker 9: we're black people, and their understanding is, you know, you're

2447
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:12,240
Speaker 9: oppressed because you're a member of the working class. Well,

2448
02:20:12,480 --> 02:20:17,720
Speaker 9: you know, interesting enough, Cuba, which carried out a revolution

2449
02:20:17,959 --> 02:20:22,920
Speaker 9: which is which was primarily seen as a class revolution,

2450
02:20:23,080 --> 02:20:25,960
Speaker 9: even though it wasn't. It really was a peasant revolution.

2451
02:20:26,400 --> 02:20:28,720
Speaker 9: There's interesting enough. When you look at the world, we

2452
02:20:28,760 --> 02:20:32,160
Speaker 9: look at the Russian Revolution, the Chinese Revolution, the Cuban Revolution,

2453
02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:36,199
Speaker 9: these are really peasant revolutions. There really aren't classes, class

2454
02:20:36,320 --> 02:20:41,039
Speaker 9: revolutions in a Marxians sense. They're not people fighting against

2455
02:20:41,080 --> 02:20:46,280
Speaker 9: the owners of the factory. So, you know. But but Cuba,

2456
02:20:46,680 --> 02:20:49,560
Speaker 9: you know, which is an interesting country because Cuba is

2457
02:20:49,640 --> 02:20:52,880
Speaker 9: the only country that ever it said it's army to

2458
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:56,920
Speaker 9: Africa to fight for black people. No, No, that's never happened,

2459
02:20:57,200 --> 02:21:01,240
Speaker 9: and it's never happened anywhere else in the world. You know, Uh,

2460
02:21:02,080 --> 02:21:06,959
Speaker 9: Cuba was extremely important. You have a country who had

2461
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:10,039
Speaker 9: a revolution. You have a country that is probably sixty

2462
02:21:10,080 --> 02:21:16,280
Speaker 9: four percent black, sending black it's soldiers to fight in

2463
02:21:16,440 --> 02:21:22,320
Speaker 9: South Africa against the apartheid government of Namibia in South Africa. Now,

2464
02:21:22,840 --> 02:21:27,800
Speaker 9: you know, don't forget that. That's extremely important Barton role.

2465
02:21:27,879 --> 02:21:29,320
Speaker 9: That has never happened before.

2466
02:21:30,400 --> 02:21:30,520
Speaker 1: Uh.

2467
02:21:30,959 --> 02:21:34,360
Speaker 9: Then you have the influence of the African independence movement,

2468
02:21:34,440 --> 02:21:39,960
Speaker 9: the African you know, the Free South African, the Free

2469
02:21:40,040 --> 02:21:45,200
Speaker 9: Rhodesia movement, the mound Bun you know, the the you

2470
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:48,440
Speaker 9: know that influence which came at the same time, which

2471
02:21:48,520 --> 02:21:50,680
Speaker 9: is all part of the same. So you have all this,

2472
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:57,280
Speaker 9: this this tremendous upsurge and influence of people who are

2473
02:21:57,440 --> 02:22:04,000
Speaker 9: for black calling our freedom, our independence, our self determination,

2474
02:22:04,480 --> 02:22:09,360
Speaker 9: calling our freedom, the need from acquiring black power, not assimilation.

2475
02:22:10,360 --> 02:22:12,840
Speaker 13: So this was really what the so.

2476
02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:16,480
Speaker 9: Called sixties and seventies, what he stood for. It stood

2477
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:22,120
Speaker 9: for a transition from assimilation definition of freedom to a

2478
02:22:22,360 --> 02:22:26,480
Speaker 9: black power definition of freedom and that black power definition

2479
02:22:26,560 --> 02:22:30,400
Speaker 9: of freedom was international. It was focused on Africa. It

2480
02:22:30,520 --> 02:22:34,279
Speaker 9: was focused on African culture and African politics and African independence.

2481
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:39,440
Speaker 9: It was really the center of what it is that

2482
02:22:40,120 --> 02:22:44,560
Speaker 9: our generation, the so called sixty generations, define freedom in

2483
02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:49,520
Speaker 9: terms of more power for black people internationally based on

2484
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:53,760
Speaker 9: an African frame of reference that contrasts with the European

2485
02:22:53,840 --> 02:22:59,560
Speaker 9: frame reference. So, you know, that's kind of what I

2486
02:22:59,600 --> 02:23:03,120
Speaker 9: wanted to say about that. It's a dramatic it's a

2487
02:23:03,240 --> 02:23:06,280
Speaker 9: dramatic difference that people don't talk about that much. They

2488
02:23:06,320 --> 02:23:10,240
Speaker 9: don't talk about how important that struggle that black people have,

2489
02:23:10,760 --> 02:23:16,640
Speaker 9: this fight between defining our freedom as one of assimilation

2490
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:20,320
Speaker 9: or defining our freedom as one of increased power and

2491
02:23:20,440 --> 02:23:25,119
Speaker 9: independence for black people, that struggle should be discussed. Every

2492
02:23:25,440 --> 02:23:29,000
Speaker 9: black person should, in fact come to grips with that,

2493
02:23:29,320 --> 02:23:31,080
Speaker 9: come to grips with the notion of what do we

2494
02:23:31,480 --> 02:23:34,800
Speaker 9: see them? And that's not even or either or questioned.

2495
02:23:35,160 --> 02:23:39,320
Speaker 9: We literally do have to do both, but the emphasis

2496
02:23:39,400 --> 02:23:43,640
Speaker 9: has to be on us actually acquiring the power that

2497
02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:48,560
Speaker 9: we need to prevent other people from oppressing us from

2498
02:23:49,560 --> 02:23:54,320
Speaker 9: and that's independence, that's self determination, that's black power, that

2499
02:23:54,560 --> 02:24:00,760
Speaker 9: is not assimilation. So you know, even though you know

2500
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:04,720
Speaker 9: I'm saying, I'll say this again, the goals of the

2501
02:24:04,760 --> 02:24:09,320
Speaker 9: assimilation this movement are also important. You do need housing,

2502
02:24:09,440 --> 02:24:13,360
Speaker 9: you do need jobs, you do need et cetera. But

2503
02:24:13,480 --> 02:24:15,600
Speaker 9: you don't need to sell your people out in the

2504
02:24:15,720 --> 02:24:18,520
Speaker 9: process of doing next. You need to acquire the things

2505
02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:21,440
Speaker 9: that you need in the context of increasing and strengthening

2506
02:24:21,480 --> 02:24:24,960
Speaker 9: black people's power, not in the context of diminishing or

2507
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:28,720
Speaker 9: selling out Black people that you know. That's the distinction

2508
02:24:28,879 --> 02:24:32,039
Speaker 9: that I want to make in terms of what we're

2509
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:33,520
Speaker 9: talking about here again.

2510
02:24:33,600 --> 02:24:35,760
Speaker 2: All right, well hold that thought right there. We are

2511
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:37,280
Speaker 2: some folks want to talk to you. Baba La Well,

2512
02:24:37,320 --> 02:24:40,240
Speaker 2: let's start with Brother Ray. He's online two calling from Miami.

2513
02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:42,879
Speaker 2: Grind Rising. Brother Ray, you're on with Baba La Mumba.

2514
02:24:43,800 --> 02:24:45,959
Speaker 8: A grand Rising car and Babla La Mumba.

2515
02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:47,039
Speaker 7: How are you, my brother?

2516
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:50,320
Speaker 9: I'm good, Brother's good to hear your voice.

2517
02:24:51,480 --> 02:24:53,800
Speaker 8: Good to hear your voice. I know you you're on

2518
02:24:53,920 --> 02:24:56,800
Speaker 8: the front line there, and I'm so I'm happy to

2519
02:24:57,040 --> 02:25:01,720
Speaker 8: know that you're still doing your thing. The question I

2520
02:25:01,879 --> 02:25:06,200
Speaker 8: had Malcolm X. You know I knew him as well

2521
02:25:06,280 --> 02:25:08,600
Speaker 8: as you did. I we know him on New Year

2522
02:25:08,640 --> 02:25:11,600
Speaker 8: of the Avenue, and he was with the mosque bear

2523
02:25:12,320 --> 02:25:15,000
Speaker 8: and things, the work that he did in in Washington,

2524
02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:21,439
Speaker 8: d C. My question is he was such a powerful

2525
02:25:21,560 --> 02:25:28,320
Speaker 8: man in my opinion, and he is the leader not

2526
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:33,600
Speaker 8: only for blacks in America but for black around the world.

2527
02:25:34,200 --> 02:25:37,879
Speaker 8: He was highly respected because of his opinion, his ideas,

2528
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:41,920
Speaker 8: and his and his stand his stances on those ideas.

2529
02:25:42,840 --> 02:25:47,600
Speaker 8: When he said we didn't land on premouth Rock, Primoth

2530
02:25:47,720 --> 02:25:51,360
Speaker 8: Rock landed on us, what that said to me was

2531
02:25:51,440 --> 02:25:57,560
Speaker 8: that when these Europeans came, the first time they came,

2532
02:25:58,200 --> 02:26:03,480
Speaker 8: we were here, which says to me that betrayal of tears,

2533
02:26:04,320 --> 02:26:07,040
Speaker 8: it is a true story when it comes to the

2534
02:26:08,040 --> 02:26:11,360
Speaker 8: movement in the attack of the black people who you

2535
02:26:12,200 --> 02:26:14,439
Speaker 8: inhabited this continent.

2536
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:17,360
Speaker 4: Was was real.

2537
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:21,840
Speaker 8: I just wondered if any any organizations. I know that

2538
02:26:21,920 --> 02:26:24,800
Speaker 8: there's one group called the f b A. I think

2539
02:26:24,840 --> 02:26:29,400
Speaker 8: I can't remember they're just taking that stance, and I

2540
02:26:29,480 --> 02:26:32,160
Speaker 8: wonder if there are any others, And I wondered what

2541
02:26:32,280 --> 02:26:33,840
Speaker 8: you thought about that idea?

2542
02:26:35,320 --> 02:26:39,920
Speaker 2: All right, give a chance to respond, fash brother Ray, Well,

2543
02:26:42,600 --> 02:26:42,800
Speaker 2: you know.

2544
02:26:43,240 --> 02:26:46,760
Speaker 9: What under what context do we talk about our freedom

2545
02:26:46,840 --> 02:26:49,360
Speaker 9: and our movement? And you know why do we see

2546
02:26:49,400 --> 02:26:53,200
Speaker 9: it and what uh you know, various groups have slightly

2547
02:26:53,360 --> 02:27:00,320
Speaker 9: different perspectives on what would constitute uh freedom and our

2548
02:27:00,400 --> 02:27:06,040
Speaker 9: relationship to this society. Uh, it's it's difficult because for

2549
02:27:06,240 --> 02:27:10,640
Speaker 9: many black people, you know, serving this as let me

2550
02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:15,200
Speaker 9: give me another thought about another particular phenomena in this context.

2551
02:27:17,640 --> 02:27:21,600
Speaker 9: And during the sixties, we developed caucuses like the Black

2552
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:28,360
Speaker 9: Caucus and in Congress, or the Black Social Workers developed

2553
02:27:28,600 --> 02:27:33,360
Speaker 9: Association of Black Social Workers or Association of Black Psychologists. Uh,

2554
02:27:34,040 --> 02:27:39,360
Speaker 9: within professional groups. When we've tried to create ways in

2555
02:27:39,440 --> 02:27:44,080
Speaker 9: which we can maintain ourselves in the system, you know, Uh,

2556
02:27:44,480 --> 02:27:47,880
Speaker 9: but at the same time use it to defurther the

2557
02:27:47,959 --> 02:27:52,920
Speaker 9: interests of black people because we have to do that.

2558
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:56,520
Speaker 9: That's that's where you know, there's no way you're going

2559
02:27:56,600 --> 02:27:59,200
Speaker 9: to have to live here, but you're also going to

2560
02:27:59,240 --> 02:28:01,879
Speaker 9: have to serve the just the black people. So who

2561
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:06,400
Speaker 9: who who? How does that happen? How do you do that?

2562
02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:12,680
Speaker 9: How do you what organizations represent that represent those two realities?

2563
02:28:13,440 --> 02:28:18,640
Speaker 9: Living here and working towards black freedom and black independence

2564
02:28:18,680 --> 02:28:22,080
Speaker 9: and black liberation? How where do you land? How you

2565
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:23,600
Speaker 9: stand in that regard?

2566
02:28:25,320 --> 02:28:27,680
Speaker 8: Well, first of all, we have to know who we are,

2567
02:28:28,560 --> 02:28:30,879
Speaker 8: and second, We've got to turn to each other, not.

2568
02:28:31,000 --> 02:28:31,480
Speaker 9: On each other.

2569
02:28:32,120 --> 02:28:34,760
Speaker 8: This is a system, as you have said so many times,

2570
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:40,480
Speaker 8: and I agree, this is a system that has consistently

2571
02:28:41,160 --> 02:28:43,920
Speaker 8: how murder our people, take our lands, steal our lands,

2572
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:48,160
Speaker 8: and undermine every effort that we have, not only here

2573
02:28:48,640 --> 02:28:52,960
Speaker 8: but on the continent of Africa as well, And we

2574
02:28:53,400 --> 02:28:58,680
Speaker 8: have not had a proper response, in my opinions, and

2575
02:28:58,800 --> 02:29:03,160
Speaker 8: I believe that Malcolm would have been that response based

2576
02:29:03,240 --> 02:29:07,400
Speaker 8: on his stands. I mean, he had the idea before

2577
02:29:09,240 --> 02:29:11,800
Speaker 8: before our people had the idea. Now, yes, we have

2578
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:14,840
Speaker 8: the Congressional Black Caucus, but what have they done to

2579
02:29:14,959 --> 02:29:15,720
Speaker 8: free our people?

2580
02:29:16,840 --> 02:29:17,040
Speaker 4: We have?

2581
02:29:17,560 --> 02:29:21,400
Speaker 8: Naah, what have they done? We had SCLC, we've had

2582
02:29:21,480 --> 02:29:26,879
Speaker 8: all these organizations that have organized to address those issues,

2583
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:30,720
Speaker 8: but we've gotten we haven't gotten past this first base.

2584
02:29:31,879 --> 02:29:35,440
Speaker 8: And here we are here in twenty twenty six, trying

2585
02:29:35,480 --> 02:29:40,040
Speaker 8: to figure out why we're in this condition. So how

2586
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:43,280
Speaker 8: are like you said, if we know the truth about

2587
02:29:43,320 --> 02:29:46,400
Speaker 8: who we are, we'll organize and we'll take our stands

2588
02:29:46,959 --> 02:29:50,040
Speaker 8: from whom we are and take this land back, because

2589
02:29:50,080 --> 02:29:54,160
Speaker 8: this is our land. These people are immigrants, particularly of

2590
02:29:54,240 --> 02:29:56,840
Speaker 8: those who come with the blond hair, blue eyes and

2591
02:29:56,959 --> 02:30:00,320
Speaker 8: know what I'm talking about. So I think it's it's

2592
02:30:00,440 --> 02:30:04,280
Speaker 8: time for us to begin to organize our people in

2593
02:30:04,400 --> 02:30:07,640
Speaker 8: that manner. We've tried just to dissimilate with them, we've

2594
02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:10,480
Speaker 8: tried to work with them, We've done everything they've asked

2595
02:30:10,560 --> 02:30:14,000
Speaker 8: us to do. But what do they respond. They're going

2596
02:30:14,040 --> 02:30:16,640
Speaker 8: to put you in jail, They're going to do experiments

2597
02:30:16,720 --> 02:30:19,320
Speaker 8: on your young people in jail, and they're going to

2598
02:30:19,400 --> 02:30:22,080
Speaker 8: continue to kill, steal, and destroy your land.

2599
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:24,840
Speaker 2: So all right, this give m a chance to respond,

2600
02:30:24,920 --> 02:30:27,360
Speaker 2: Brother Ray. That's an interesting concept that he has to say.

2601
02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:31,880
Speaker 2: It's a failed assimilation effort? Is a failure? What say you,

2602
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:32,720
Speaker 2: Baba la Mumba?

2603
02:30:33,360 --> 02:30:38,280
Speaker 9: Well, I mean inevitably sure, if you accept there that

2604
02:30:39,160 --> 02:30:42,040
Speaker 9: you have no choice but to live under their igage,

2605
02:30:42,280 --> 02:30:46,640
Speaker 9: under their supervision, under their power, then sure. But and

2606
02:30:46,760 --> 02:30:49,440
Speaker 9: you know you can't do that. But you know, we

2607
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:53,120
Speaker 9: make efforts to We're trying to create situations in which

2608
02:30:53,200 --> 02:30:55,720
Speaker 9: we can live at the same time we can fight

2609
02:30:55,840 --> 02:30:59,920
Speaker 9: for our people. Sometimes that's possible and sometimes it's not possible.

2610
02:31:00,440 --> 02:31:03,880
Speaker 9: Sometimes we're you know, and so what do we do?

2611
02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:04,400
Speaker 11: You know?

2612
02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:09,080
Speaker 9: So I think that the question is you know you're

2613
02:31:09,720 --> 02:31:12,840
Speaker 9: you know? Is what you are, not who you are.

2614
02:31:13,480 --> 02:31:16,720
Speaker 9: In other words, what you are is the question of

2615
02:31:18,720 --> 02:31:22,560
Speaker 9: what group of people you identify with. Identity is the

2616
02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:25,920
Speaker 9: real How do we increase our identity? What are the

2617
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:30,680
Speaker 9: elements of identity? What are the elements that connect us

2618
02:31:30,760 --> 02:31:38,840
Speaker 9: with other people? Race, culture, geography, family, community, et cetera.

2619
02:31:39,360 --> 02:31:42,680
Speaker 9: All those elements of identity, All of those have to

2620
02:31:42,760 --> 02:31:45,160
Speaker 9: be enhanced, They have to be increased. But you have

2621
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:48,840
Speaker 9: to do it at a cultural level. You can't, you know,

2622
02:31:49,440 --> 02:31:52,560
Speaker 9: you know, we think, for example, you just learn your history,

2623
02:31:52,879 --> 02:31:57,800
Speaker 9: that will increase your ability to identify. No culture, for example,

2624
02:31:57,959 --> 02:32:02,320
Speaker 9: is critical. That's why Kwan's becomes critical. That's why Kwans

2625
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:06,080
Speaker 9: You have to actually do things with each other. You

2626
02:32:06,200 --> 02:32:10,520
Speaker 9: actually have to do things which identify you as as

2627
02:32:11,959 --> 02:32:15,840
Speaker 9: what you are. You are a black person, You are

2628
02:32:16,840 --> 02:32:21,480
Speaker 9: a person who lives and acts in a certain way.

2629
02:32:21,640 --> 02:32:25,640
Speaker 9: You have to have an emotional attachment to what you are.

2630
02:32:26,280 --> 02:32:28,520
Speaker 9: Not so much who you are, but what you are.

2631
02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:33,280
Speaker 9: What you are is your connection with other people. What

2632
02:32:33,480 --> 02:32:37,080
Speaker 9: is your bond between you and black and other black people?

2633
02:32:37,560 --> 02:32:40,520
Speaker 9: What does that mean in terms of your behavior? What

2634
02:32:40,600 --> 02:32:42,959
Speaker 9: does that mean in terms of your attitude? What does

2635
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:46,360
Speaker 9: that mean in terms of your love for each other.

2636
02:32:46,640 --> 02:32:48,600
Speaker 9: What does that mean in terms of your willingness to

2637
02:32:48,760 --> 02:32:56,000
Speaker 9: sacrifice for others? The what you are questions? You know,

2638
02:32:58,560 --> 02:33:04,200
Speaker 9: no group in history has ever elevated itself around the

2639
02:33:04,320 --> 02:33:07,120
Speaker 9: notion of selfishness, that is to say, I'm in it

2640
02:33:07,240 --> 02:33:10,560
Speaker 9: to get what I want. You you have, You know,

2641
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:14,400
Speaker 9: people elevate themselves by by the use of the people

2642
02:33:14,400 --> 02:33:18,160
Speaker 9: who willing to sacrifice, people who willing to fight, people

2643
02:33:18,200 --> 02:33:21,520
Speaker 9: who willing to and and or who will accept even

2644
02:33:21,560 --> 02:33:25,520
Speaker 9: as much as accepting death as a way of fighting.

2645
02:33:25,959 --> 02:33:30,400
Speaker 9: That's you know, you don't people use their identity ability

2646
02:33:30,480 --> 02:33:35,280
Speaker 9: to identify with with each other as the energy to

2647
02:33:35,440 --> 02:33:40,039
Speaker 9: elevate their people. That's what you use. How much are

2648
02:33:40,080 --> 02:33:43,760
Speaker 9: you how much of what you're doing elevates your people?

2649
02:33:44,120 --> 02:33:48,440
Speaker 9: How much of what you're doing constitutes a sacrifice? That

2650
02:33:48,959 --> 02:33:53,280
Speaker 9: that that that will help elevate and transcend your people

2651
02:33:53,360 --> 02:33:56,240
Speaker 9: to improve your people's well being and way of life.

2652
02:33:57,720 --> 02:33:59,720
Speaker 2: You know, Baba Lama who that's all right there, because

2653
02:33:59,720 --> 02:34:01,800
Speaker 2: you've got step aside for a few moments. Wait, come back, though,

2654
02:34:01,959 --> 02:34:05,160
Speaker 2: explain which side does rever Jesse Jackson? Which side did

2655
02:34:05,200 --> 02:34:05,760
Speaker 2: he fall on?

2656
02:34:06,240 --> 02:34:06,280
Speaker 11: Was?

2657
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:08,880
Speaker 2: Was he part of the civil rights group. Was was

2658
02:34:08,920 --> 02:34:12,360
Speaker 2: he as similationist? And sometimes we see him with with

2659
02:34:12,800 --> 02:34:14,800
Speaker 2: you know, back in there was younger days. You know

2660
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:17,280
Speaker 2: he had the fist up in the air and it's

2661
02:34:17,320 --> 02:34:19,720
Speaker 2: the shiki. Is he part of the independence group? So

2662
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:24,240
Speaker 2: explain his relationship to the conversation we have in this morning. Family,

2663
02:34:24,280 --> 02:34:26,160
Speaker 2: You two can get in on the discussion. Just reach

2664
02:34:26,200 --> 02:34:28,160
Speaker 2: out to us at eight hundred four or five zero

2665
02:34:28,800 --> 02:34:31,200
Speaker 2: seventy eight seventy six and the seventeen half the top

2666
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:33,200
Speaker 2: of the hour will take your phone calls. Next and

2667
02:34:33,360 --> 02:34:35,520
Speaker 2: grand rising family, and thanks for flowing, whether it's on

2668
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:37,920
Speaker 2: this Tuesday morning, I guess the Baba la Mumba from

2669
02:34:37,959 --> 02:34:40,880
Speaker 2: Memosa House in Washington, d C. Babla la Mumba has

2670
02:34:40,879 --> 02:34:43,160
Speaker 2: been highlighting the fact that you know, through us as

2671
02:34:43,160 --> 02:34:45,200
Speaker 2: a people, since we've been here, it's almost been these

2672
02:34:45,280 --> 02:34:49,080
Speaker 2: fight between the assimilation groups, the civil rights groups, all

2673
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:52,600
Speaker 2: of them, and also the independent fighting groups, the Nation

2674
02:34:52,680 --> 02:34:55,640
Speaker 2: of Islam, the Black Panther Party. And my question to

2675
02:34:55,720 --> 02:34:58,640
Speaker 2: him was, and we talked about other individuals. We talked

2676
02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:01,760
Speaker 2: about Walter White, du Bau, talked about Marcus Garvey, we

2677
02:35:01,840 --> 02:35:05,080
Speaker 2: talked about Malcolm Mountin, Luther King talked about also talking

2678
02:35:05,080 --> 02:35:09,199
Speaker 2: about Marion Barry. So Jesse Jackson, the late Reverend Jesse Jackson.

2679
02:35:09,400 --> 02:35:11,440
Speaker 2: What side did you would you say he fell on

2680
02:35:11,600 --> 02:35:15,240
Speaker 2: Bamba la Mumba was Was he a relationist because he's

2681
02:35:15,280 --> 02:35:17,680
Speaker 2: part of the civil rights movement? But then again sometimes

2682
02:35:17,720 --> 02:35:19,760
Speaker 2: you saw him, you know, with his fist thrown up

2683
02:35:19,800 --> 02:35:21,240
Speaker 2: in the air and he had on a dashiki and

2684
02:35:21,400 --> 02:35:23,640
Speaker 2: the pick and all of that kind of stuff. Or

2685
02:35:24,040 --> 02:35:26,920
Speaker 2: could he be both or can you be both your thoughts?

2686
02:35:27,800 --> 02:35:30,560
Speaker 9: Yes, as you know, and Jesse's one of those people

2687
02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:34,640
Speaker 9: who exist somewhere in between. Because Jesse actually got installed

2688
02:35:34,760 --> 02:35:40,320
Speaker 9: in Africa in Kochi Vau well as a as a

2689
02:35:40,440 --> 02:35:42,920
Speaker 9: member of the African So he knew he had a

2690
02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:46,600
Speaker 9: good sense of an identity that was African based. Uh,

2691
02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:51,520
Speaker 9: he had this, although he had this with the Rainbow Coalition,

2692
02:35:52,080 --> 02:35:54,360
Speaker 9: which is sort of a third world I mean, it

2693
02:35:54,480 --> 02:35:58,040
Speaker 9: wasn't so much an integration as do but he stayed

2694
02:35:59,160 --> 02:36:02,640
Speaker 9: on the civil rights side because that's where he you know,

2695
02:36:02,760 --> 02:36:08,000
Speaker 9: his connection with King. He was essentially a civil rights

2696
02:36:08,120 --> 02:36:13,359
Speaker 9: worker who understood at some point that Africa and understanding

2697
02:36:13,400 --> 02:36:17,600
Speaker 9: Africa and African identity and that and connection to all

2698
02:36:17,720 --> 02:36:22,360
Speaker 9: black people was important. He never totally committed himself to that.

2699
02:36:23,400 --> 02:36:25,600
Speaker 9: He died as a as a civil rights and and

2700
02:36:25,720 --> 02:36:28,400
Speaker 9: should be seen primarily as a civil rights leader, but

2701
02:36:28,520 --> 02:36:31,320
Speaker 9: a civil rights leader with an under or enough understanding

2702
02:36:31,720 --> 02:36:35,920
Speaker 9: of the importance of Africa, African identity, and black people

2703
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:42,400
Speaker 9: collectively to have value in that context. So, you know,

2704
02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:44,880
Speaker 9: I would say that Jesse Jackson wasn't in fact the

2705
02:36:44,959 --> 02:36:48,840
Speaker 9: civil rights leader, but he was broader than that. He

2706
02:36:49,080 --> 02:36:53,800
Speaker 9: was capable of understanding the importance of Africa participating and

2707
02:36:53,959 --> 02:36:56,880
Speaker 9: that actually added to his effectiveness as a leader.

2708
02:36:58,360 --> 02:36:59,760
Speaker 2: So he swam in both lanes.

2709
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:04,920
Speaker 9: I think he's primarily a civil rights leader who had

2710
02:37:04,959 --> 02:37:09,200
Speaker 9: an understanding beyond the civil rights context. I think that's

2711
02:37:09,240 --> 02:37:11,560
Speaker 9: the way I would put it in describing Jesse Jackson.

2712
02:37:11,959 --> 02:37:16,320
Speaker 9: His understanding a little was broader than some. He did

2713
02:37:16,400 --> 02:37:20,000
Speaker 9: not see the total answers with black people to be assimilation.

2714
02:37:20,640 --> 02:37:24,600
Speaker 9: He saw assimilation being important, and he stayed in that

2715
02:37:24,840 --> 02:37:28,320
Speaker 9: lane because of his relationship to Doctor King and zil

2716
02:37:28,560 --> 02:37:33,800
Speaker 9: and the movement of that era. But he also understood

2717
02:37:34,879 --> 02:37:38,520
Speaker 9: that black people had to focus on black people internationally

2718
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:41,200
Speaker 9: and that Africa had to be a strong basis for

2719
02:37:41,280 --> 02:37:42,640
Speaker 9: our understanding.

2720
02:37:42,160 --> 02:37:45,600
Speaker 2: Of who we are and what we are gotcha twenty

2721
02:37:45,640 --> 02:37:47,720
Speaker 2: three half the top there calls calling us from West

2722
02:37:47,760 --> 02:37:51,080
Speaker 2: Palm Beach in Florida is online. Three grand Rising callire

2723
02:37:51,120 --> 02:37:52,439
Speaker 2: on with Baba la Mumba.

2724
02:37:53,720 --> 02:37:56,960
Speaker 15: As in family car. I always like to remind us

2725
02:37:57,040 --> 02:38:00,280
Speaker 15: that we discovered in recent time that the Naac, Peter

2726
02:38:00,360 --> 02:38:04,120
Speaker 15: Irber League, the Divine Nine, the Masons, and all of

2727
02:38:04,200 --> 02:38:06,880
Speaker 15: these organizations were set up not by us but by

2728
02:38:06,959 --> 02:38:10,600
Speaker 15: those who had the desire to control our thinking. And

2729
02:38:10,720 --> 02:38:14,400
Speaker 15: many times we failed to include that into our psychic

2730
02:38:14,560 --> 02:38:17,240
Speaker 15: as we deal with the reality of what brother was

2731
02:38:17,280 --> 02:38:21,000
Speaker 15: talking about before the Boomer the Mumba. The brother was

2732
02:38:21,040 --> 02:38:23,720
Speaker 15: talking about how we deal with systems in the system

2733
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:28,680
Speaker 15: of education. It divides us culturally in reality, and I

2734
02:38:28,720 --> 02:38:31,800
Speaker 15: don't think many times we do that because we have

2735
02:38:31,959 --> 02:38:35,520
Speaker 15: different hype man. I mean, I'm a hypeman for Minister

2736
02:38:35,640 --> 02:38:38,200
Speaker 15: far Khan. I hear people that are hype man form

2737
02:38:38,360 --> 02:38:42,680
Speaker 15: Marcus Gard for Donnabilize Mahamed, different ones. But we haven't

2738
02:38:42,920 --> 02:38:46,320
Speaker 15: understood the need for us to develop a team wearing

2739
02:38:46,440 --> 02:38:49,840
Speaker 15: that we put all on the same team and elevate

2740
02:38:49,920 --> 02:38:52,600
Speaker 15: them at the same level. Because you know it's in

2741
02:38:52,760 --> 02:38:55,880
Speaker 15: America in twenty twenty six that you don't hear the

2742
02:38:55,959 --> 02:38:59,400
Speaker 15: word fi Khan being mentioned in the conversation. I don't

2743
02:38:59,400 --> 02:39:01,920
Speaker 15: care who liked it dislike it, but as it relates

2744
02:39:01,959 --> 02:39:04,960
Speaker 15: to the elevation of our people as a people for

2745
02:39:05,080 --> 02:39:08,520
Speaker 15: the planet Earth, I think we need to recognize that.

2746
02:39:08,760 --> 02:39:11,680
Speaker 15: And when I say, what I'm saying is because in

2747
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:14,520
Speaker 15: the nation, you don't come in and be given a

2748
02:39:14,600 --> 02:39:20,160
Speaker 15: continent to elevate. You're given the entire Earth, and then

2749
02:39:20,240 --> 02:39:22,200
Speaker 15: you even go so far as they give you the

2750
02:39:22,320 --> 02:39:25,400
Speaker 15: nine planets in the universe. But all don't think that.

2751
02:39:25,640 --> 02:39:29,800
Speaker 15: Many times our teachers have the ability to transfer such

2752
02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:33,520
Speaker 15: information and it keeps us in silos where we keep

2753
02:39:34,120 --> 02:39:38,520
Speaker 15: showing honor and respected different individuals as opposed to looking

2754
02:39:38,520 --> 02:39:42,080
Speaker 15: at our plight as a people, a human family on

2755
02:39:42,200 --> 02:39:45,360
Speaker 15: the planet Earth. And when I listen to any brother

2756
02:39:45,480 --> 02:39:49,320
Speaker 15: that's talking, if you don't mention, I mean it's just

2757
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:53,600
Speaker 15: retarded to me that the person can talk about the

2758
02:39:53,760 --> 02:39:56,400
Speaker 15: movement of the human soundar of the planet Earth and

2759
02:39:56,480 --> 02:39:59,800
Speaker 15: don't miss the honorable Minister Lewis Farakhan, And I say

2760
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:05,520
Speaker 15: that respectfully looking at the reality of things, and that's

2761
02:40:05,560 --> 02:40:08,120
Speaker 15: what I wanted to say, and Brother the Mumber, I

2762
02:40:08,280 --> 02:40:10,880
Speaker 15: appreciate each and every time that you come on to

2763
02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:13,640
Speaker 15: the air. But I do believe that the powers that

2764
02:40:14,240 --> 02:40:19,280
Speaker 15: Brother Tyrone power are kill Parker Sidiki Bacari, those new

2765
02:40:19,360 --> 02:40:23,760
Speaker 15: kind of revolutionary I think we need to take the

2766
02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:27,920
Speaker 15: time and elevate them as opposed to regurgitate the same

2767
02:40:28,000 --> 02:40:31,480
Speaker 15: thing that we've been prophesying. Because everybody talking about Malcolm,

2768
02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:34,600
Speaker 15: but they never acquired an X. And if you acquired

2769
02:40:34,640 --> 02:40:37,040
Speaker 15: that X, you done went through the student enrollment and

2770
02:40:37,160 --> 02:40:40,440
Speaker 15: you have a whole different understanding about the reality of

2771
02:40:40,560 --> 02:40:42,600
Speaker 15: the planet and the people on it and all of

2772
02:40:42,640 --> 02:40:45,440
Speaker 15: that as opposed to the way we've been going in

2773
02:40:45,560 --> 02:40:49,320
Speaker 15: the past, and still last this morning, were waking up

2774
02:40:49,440 --> 02:40:52,760
Speaker 15: and our children are still being miseducated, and we still

2775
02:40:52,840 --> 02:40:57,320
Speaker 15: haven't seen the need to interfere into that kind of process.

2776
02:40:57,560 --> 02:41:01,959
Speaker 15: But we're gonna make some more educated pH d negroes

2777
02:41:02,040 --> 02:41:04,039
Speaker 15: like we've been doing. And I just think it's time

2778
02:41:04,120 --> 02:41:07,320
Speaker 15: for us to take a critical analytical look at ourself

2779
02:41:07,879 --> 02:41:10,440
Speaker 15: and brother call this gave.

2780
02:41:10,360 --> 02:41:14,840
Speaker 2: Me a chance. Thanks Carl, Thanks Barbyloma your thoughts well.

2781
02:41:16,160 --> 02:41:21,480
Speaker 9: I think I think having an internationalist focus is a mistake.

2782
02:41:22,480 --> 02:41:25,040
Speaker 9: I think the world is made up of various peoples

2783
02:41:25,520 --> 02:41:29,560
Speaker 9: who inevitably compete with each other. We we have to

2784
02:41:29,680 --> 02:41:34,280
Speaker 9: decide what people. Our focus should be on elevating our people,

2785
02:41:35,000 --> 02:41:37,640
Speaker 9: not trying to elevate the whole world. You know, the

2786
02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:39,840
Speaker 9: world is not going to You're not going to solve,

2787
02:41:39,879 --> 02:41:43,119
Speaker 9: for example, class, there's always going to be classes. You're

2788
02:41:43,160 --> 02:41:46,119
Speaker 9: not going to solve the fact that there's rich people

2789
02:41:46,160 --> 02:41:48,120
Speaker 9: in there, that there's poor people, et cetera. You're not

2790
02:41:48,200 --> 02:41:52,720
Speaker 9: going to solve international problems. You can focus on solving

2791
02:41:52,840 --> 02:41:55,640
Speaker 9: and strengthening your own people, which is the only thing

2792
02:41:55,720 --> 02:41:58,840
Speaker 9: that makes sense in terms of your movement. You you you,

2793
02:41:59,320 --> 02:42:02,080
Speaker 9: you know, just say you're a human being is simply

2794
02:42:02,120 --> 02:42:04,760
Speaker 9: to say you're not a horse or a cower or

2795
02:42:04,920 --> 02:42:08,600
Speaker 9: you know, that's that's species that you belong to. That

2796
02:42:08,800 --> 02:42:12,800
Speaker 9: is not a basis for struggle. The species that you

2797
02:42:12,920 --> 02:42:17,760
Speaker 9: belong the tire species that you belong to. A basis

2798
02:42:17,800 --> 02:42:20,840
Speaker 9: of struggle is those people you are, who you are

2799
02:42:20,920 --> 02:42:24,480
Speaker 9: a member of the group that you identify with identity.

2800
02:42:25,160 --> 02:42:28,160
Speaker 9: You know, who are your people and whether they stand

2801
02:42:28,320 --> 02:42:31,760
Speaker 9: visa the the other other peoples of the world. They're

2802
02:42:31,959 --> 02:42:35,240
Speaker 9: not going to be in the culture for examples in books,

2803
02:42:35,360 --> 02:42:38,600
Speaker 9: we don't have. We have to have the various people

2804
02:42:38,680 --> 02:42:42,240
Speaker 9: in the world manifest different cultures. You know, do you

2805
02:42:42,280 --> 02:42:44,760
Speaker 9: want the Chinese not to speak Chinese, not to be,

2806
02:42:45,080 --> 02:42:47,800
Speaker 9: not to relate to their culture. Not that they are

2807
02:42:48,040 --> 02:42:52,080
Speaker 9: separate people. We are a separate people, you know, we

2808
02:42:52,280 --> 02:42:56,119
Speaker 9: have to our culture has to be manifested and strengthen

2809
02:42:56,560 --> 02:43:00,000
Speaker 9: who we are as a people. These the other people,

2810
02:43:00,040 --> 02:43:04,080
Speaker 9: peoples of the world. We also we need groups, We

2811
02:43:04,240 --> 02:43:07,560
Speaker 9: need various cultures. Part of being a human being is

2812
02:43:07,760 --> 02:43:12,840
Speaker 9: having those various cultures, various identities, you know, various languages,

2813
02:43:13,840 --> 02:43:20,120
Speaker 9: various geographies, various ways of doing things, various identities. Those

2814
02:43:20,360 --> 02:43:23,720
Speaker 9: identities are what we're talking about when we talk about struggle.

2815
02:43:23,800 --> 02:43:27,600
Speaker 9: We're not talking about everybody, because we're not going to

2816
02:43:27,840 --> 02:43:32,160
Speaker 9: change every We're talking about our people's need to elevate

2817
02:43:32,320 --> 02:43:35,640
Speaker 9: our status, our powers, so that we're not oppressed, so

2818
02:43:35,800 --> 02:43:39,879
Speaker 9: that we have were we will. We have to elevate ourselves.

2819
02:43:40,520 --> 02:43:44,680
Speaker 9: So you know, my my approach is it has to

2820
02:43:44,800 --> 02:43:48,240
Speaker 9: be a people's focused effort. So what is the people

2821
02:43:48,280 --> 02:43:52,760
Speaker 9: who you're focused on elevating? That is black people, that

2822
02:43:52,959 --> 02:43:56,120
Speaker 9: is not You're not trying to elevate the Chinese, the Indians.

2823
02:43:56,480 --> 02:44:00,720
Speaker 9: You're not trying to elevate the Europeans. They're not the

2824
02:44:00,800 --> 02:44:03,760
Speaker 9: ones being oppressed. They're not the ones at the bottom.

2825
02:44:04,120 --> 02:44:06,600
Speaker 9: They're not the ones who are suffering the most. They're

2826
02:44:06,680 --> 02:44:09,960
Speaker 9: not your own people. Your focus has to be on

2827
02:44:10,160 --> 02:44:13,840
Speaker 9: your own people. Your own people are Black people, period.

2828
02:44:14,240 --> 02:44:18,320
Speaker 9: Your own people are not all of humanity. It's ridiculous

2829
02:44:18,360 --> 02:44:21,320
Speaker 9: to say that your old people are all of humanity.

2830
02:44:21,800 --> 02:44:24,879
Speaker 9: You are a black person in this world who are suppressed,

2831
02:44:25,280 --> 02:44:29,080
Speaker 9: who are subjugated because you are a black person in

2832
02:44:29,160 --> 02:44:31,600
Speaker 9: this world. That is the context in which we have

2833
02:44:31,720 --> 02:44:33,800
Speaker 9: to work, We have to punk to, We have to elevate.

2834
02:44:34,080 --> 02:44:37,680
Speaker 9: That's the focus of our efforts. Leaders who represent that

2835
02:44:37,920 --> 02:44:40,520
Speaker 9: focus are leaders we can and should follow.

2836
02:44:41,920 --> 02:44:43,800
Speaker 2: Well, let me jump in and ask you this question though,

2837
02:44:43,879 --> 02:44:45,879
Speaker 2: of babblo with thirty minutes off the top of it out.

2838
02:44:46,000 --> 02:44:49,080
Speaker 2: For those folks who wear it on their sleeve, they

2839
02:44:49,160 --> 02:44:52,360
Speaker 2: may change their name to it to Islamic name or

2840
02:44:52,480 --> 02:44:56,160
Speaker 2: African name. Well, they may wear it dreads change their

2841
02:44:56,160 --> 02:44:59,000
Speaker 2: hairstyle as opposed to the other ones who are still,

2842
02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:03,640
Speaker 2: you know, whatever doing with their hair. Is that an

2843
02:45:03,680 --> 02:45:05,960
Speaker 2: affirmation of who you are? Or is it or is

2844
02:45:06,000 --> 02:45:08,920
Speaker 2: it both? Those things just stops. Because you can recall

2845
02:45:09,040 --> 02:45:12,480
Speaker 2: sixty seventies when we were wearing afros and picks and

2846
02:45:13,040 --> 02:45:15,280
Speaker 2: the chiks and all. It seemed like it was a

2847
02:45:15,360 --> 02:45:17,320
Speaker 2: fat It seems like it just lasted for a moment

2848
02:45:17,800 --> 02:45:21,520
Speaker 2: and and some and then it disappeared. Today's people who

2849
02:45:21,720 --> 02:45:25,760
Speaker 2: were wearing their naturals, especially the sisters and the and

2850
02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:28,440
Speaker 2: the brothers who have taken on African names and the

2851
02:45:28,520 --> 02:45:30,800
Speaker 2: sisters who have taken on African names. Is this is

2852
02:45:30,840 --> 02:45:32,800
Speaker 2: this a show of pride? And we're going back to

2853
02:45:32,920 --> 02:45:35,880
Speaker 2: that instance in the sixties seventies where we had that

2854
02:45:36,040 --> 02:45:39,080
Speaker 2: the physical appearance of telling the world who we are

2855
02:45:39,600 --> 02:45:41,240
Speaker 2: and we love who we are. Is that where we're

2856
02:45:41,240 --> 02:45:41,600
Speaker 2: at now?

2857
02:45:43,640 --> 02:45:46,440
Speaker 9: I think so, Carl. I think it's always a seesaw.

2858
02:45:46,600 --> 02:45:49,520
Speaker 9: But the question is is it moving up? Yes, more

2859
02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:54,560
Speaker 9: black people are identifying esthetically culturally with black people, more

2860
02:45:54,800 --> 02:45:58,600
Speaker 9: natural hair here. If you realize that you like your hair,

2861
02:45:58,680 --> 02:46:00,960
Speaker 9: if you you know, we're not We don't people talking

2862
02:46:00,959 --> 02:46:03,920
Speaker 9: about good hair being straight hair. We're not taught we

2863
02:46:04,040 --> 02:46:07,800
Speaker 9: are it is we are moving in a direction towards

2864
02:46:08,560 --> 02:46:14,080
Speaker 9: identify more African clothes, more African names, more reaching back. Yet, yes,

2865
02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:16,800
Speaker 9: there is some sea sawing going on. I mean, yeah,

2866
02:46:16,879 --> 02:46:18,960
Speaker 9: and I think you're right to point it out, But

2867
02:46:19,280 --> 02:46:21,879
Speaker 9: it is, it is, it is a plan. I remember

2868
02:46:21,920 --> 02:46:24,800
Speaker 9: when I first went to Howard, I maybe there was

2869
02:46:24,879 --> 02:46:27,600
Speaker 9: one or two women in the whole school who had

2870
02:46:27,800 --> 02:46:30,800
Speaker 9: natural hair. You know, now if you go on house

2871
02:46:30,879 --> 02:46:33,959
Speaker 9: Its campus, you'll see most of the sisters in there

2872
02:46:33,959 --> 02:46:37,039
Speaker 9: who'll have natural What does that mean? It means even

2873
02:46:37,080 --> 02:46:39,720
Speaker 9: though some of them have slipped back, even though there's

2874
02:46:39,760 --> 02:46:44,080
Speaker 9: a lot of straightening and more than what there was

2875
02:46:44,600 --> 02:46:47,520
Speaker 9: let's say twenty years ago or thirty years ago, we

2876
02:46:47,720 --> 02:46:51,680
Speaker 9: still have a level of understanding which is much better,

2877
02:46:51,879 --> 02:46:54,680
Speaker 9: much more superior in terms of our self concept, in

2878
02:46:54,840 --> 02:46:57,080
Speaker 9: terms of our respect for each other, in terms of

2879
02:46:57,200 --> 02:47:00,160
Speaker 9: what we are. We are a different people and with

2880
02:47:00,320 --> 02:47:04,039
Speaker 9: different hair, and our hair needs to be appreciated love,

2881
02:47:04,840 --> 02:47:07,800
Speaker 9: and we need to call our hair good hair. Good

2882
02:47:07,840 --> 02:47:10,920
Speaker 9: hair should be nappy hair. And we are closer to

2883
02:47:11,040 --> 02:47:15,640
Speaker 9: that reality. We're closer to that than we have been.

2884
02:47:15,879 --> 02:47:20,960
Speaker 9: Even though there is some backsliding that you're pointing out there,

2885
02:47:21,200 --> 02:47:24,680
Speaker 9: you know, and there are many reasons why there's that backsliding,

2886
02:47:24,720 --> 02:47:26,800
Speaker 9: But it's not going to go back to when I

2887
02:47:26,920 --> 02:47:31,480
Speaker 9: came up in the fifties, I never saw a natural hair.

2888
02:47:31,520 --> 02:47:34,560
Speaker 9: I never saw a black woman in public who had

2889
02:47:34,680 --> 02:47:38,640
Speaker 9: her hair wasn't straightened. Not one when I'm in the fifties,

2890
02:47:38,840 --> 02:47:46,360
Speaker 9: not one until I until my brother's wife made me

2891
02:47:46,440 --> 02:47:49,120
Speaker 9: aware of natural until I was maybe fourteen to fifteen

2892
02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:54,160
Speaker 9: years old. Nowadays, the predominant hair style is some form

2893
02:47:54,240 --> 02:47:57,600
Speaker 9: of natural hair, whether it be dreadlocks, et cetera. That

2894
02:47:57,879 --> 02:48:01,400
Speaker 9: is progress, no matter how much lighting occurs or not.

2895
02:48:01,800 --> 02:48:05,920
Speaker 9: That is progress. We're looking and we see beautiful black people.

2896
02:48:06,360 --> 02:48:08,880
Speaker 9: We see people who are more much more appreciative of

2897
02:48:08,959 --> 02:48:13,040
Speaker 9: their Now doesn't mean that we haven't that that we have,

2898
02:48:13,400 --> 02:48:17,360
Speaker 9: that that those moves or those changes are permanent. They're

2899
02:48:17,520 --> 02:48:21,160
Speaker 9: going to wane to some degree. They're going to and

2900
02:48:21,840 --> 02:48:26,160
Speaker 9: you know, when when you look at you know, you

2901
02:48:26,280 --> 02:48:29,560
Speaker 9: can see that waning. You can see that that backsliding. Yes,

2902
02:48:30,000 --> 02:48:33,080
Speaker 9: but it's not going to be It is still improvement.

2903
02:48:33,160 --> 02:48:35,360
Speaker 9: It's still in the in the in the larger picture

2904
02:48:35,400 --> 02:48:38,400
Speaker 9: of things, it is still improvement of our self concept

2905
02:48:38,480 --> 02:48:41,360
Speaker 9: as a people. And we need to increase that more.

2906
02:48:41,360 --> 02:48:43,800
Speaker 9: And the way to increase that more is to talk

2907
02:48:43,879 --> 02:48:48,200
Speaker 9: more about African culture, African ways of life. Kwanza was

2908
02:48:48,280 --> 02:48:54,560
Speaker 9: a tremendous milestone and still is practice Kwanza I tell

2909
02:48:54,600 --> 02:48:57,440
Speaker 9: people all the time, because that gives you a positive

2910
02:48:57,520 --> 02:49:02,160
Speaker 9: sense of what it means to practice an African way

2911
02:49:02,200 --> 02:49:06,000
Speaker 9: of life in a synthesized way, not in a way

2912
02:49:06,080 --> 02:49:09,560
Speaker 9: that's specific to any particular African people, but a way

2913
02:49:09,680 --> 02:49:15,440
Speaker 9: that is a composite of the the the African frame

2914
02:49:15,520 --> 02:49:19,280
Speaker 9: of reference. For example, when you look at Kuchi Chakalia

2915
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:25,240
Speaker 9: or cooperative economics, you know if we're we're talking about

2916
02:49:25,320 --> 02:49:30,440
Speaker 9: cooperative economics, not just economics. We're not talking about capitalism.

2917
02:49:30,520 --> 02:49:34,119
Speaker 9: When we say cooperative economics, we're talking about a form

2918
02:49:34,200 --> 02:49:38,000
Speaker 9: of working together and building businesses with each other. Not

2919
02:49:38,120 --> 02:49:42,280
Speaker 9: building businesses so that I can get rich. You're building

2920
02:49:42,320 --> 02:49:45,680
Speaker 9: a businesses so that your hope, your community will be

2921
02:49:45,800 --> 02:49:49,840
Speaker 9: better off because of your business. Not I'm building a

2922
02:49:49,959 --> 02:49:52,600
Speaker 9: business in order for me to get wealthy so I

2923
02:49:52,640 --> 02:49:54,480
Speaker 9: can have the finest house, so I can have the

2924
02:49:54,560 --> 02:49:57,560
Speaker 9: best car, so I can have That is a capitalist

2925
02:49:57,640 --> 02:50:00,640
Speaker 9: model that is not ours. A model of a business

2926
02:50:00,760 --> 02:50:04,000
Speaker 9: model that is our is one in which we build

2927
02:50:04,040 --> 02:50:09,400
Speaker 9: cooperatively and produce products that help us build cooperatively, that

2928
02:50:09,560 --> 02:50:11,800
Speaker 9: we can sell to each other, that can work with

2929
02:50:11,959 --> 02:50:14,640
Speaker 9: each other. In the context of that, we can develop

2930
02:50:14,720 --> 02:50:18,000
Speaker 9: in a way that supports all of us. So if

2931
02:50:18,000 --> 02:50:21,160
Speaker 9: you're gonna sell something, you don't sell each other guns.

2932
02:50:21,720 --> 02:50:24,920
Speaker 9: You sell each other help, good food, healthy food.

2933
02:50:26,640 --> 02:50:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and hold up, they're right there, Babblo. We're

2934
02:50:29,000 --> 02:50:30,640
Speaker 2: gonna take our final break when we come back, though.

2935
02:50:30,800 --> 02:50:32,120
Speaker 2: Let me ask you. I hear what you're saying, and

2936
02:50:32,160 --> 02:50:33,920
Speaker 2: I agree with what you're saying. But how we do

2937
02:50:34,080 --> 02:50:36,360
Speaker 2: that when we have the media is telling us something

2938
02:50:36,480 --> 02:50:38,760
Speaker 2: different and many of us, you know, when we receive

2939
02:50:38,840 --> 02:50:41,560
Speaker 2: what's on online or see what's on the TV, or

2940
02:50:41,600 --> 02:50:43,440
Speaker 2: hear it on the radio, we go for it. So

2941
02:50:43,560 --> 02:50:45,600
Speaker 2: how do we how do we fight against that? I'll

2942
02:50:45,680 --> 02:50:47,280
Speaker 2: let you explain that when we get back twenty four

2943
02:50:47,320 --> 02:50:49,400
Speaker 2: minutes away from the top of our family, I guess

2944
02:50:49,440 --> 02:50:51,960
Speaker 2: this is Babelo Uma from Emoja House in Washington, DC.

2945
02:50:52,320 --> 02:50:54,480
Speaker 2: You want to join this conversation, reach out to us.

2946
02:50:54,680 --> 02:50:58,600
Speaker 2: Our telephone number is eight hundred four five zero seventy

2947
02:50:58,680 --> 02:51:01,120
Speaker 2: eight seventy six will take you phone calls next and

2948
02:51:01,200 --> 02:51:03,240
Speaker 2: ground rising family. Thanks to staying with us on this

2949
02:51:03,480 --> 02:51:05,520
Speaker 2: Tuesday morning with our guest the Bubba la Momba from

2950
02:51:05,520 --> 02:51:07,480
Speaker 2: a Moja house in Washington, d C. One of our

2951
02:51:07,560 --> 02:51:09,640
Speaker 2: elders is part of a council of elders at the

2952
02:51:09,720 --> 02:51:11,840
Speaker 2: Mojor house. They have all these great discussions and they

2953
02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:14,800
Speaker 2: bring them to the radio't we when are were discussing

2954
02:51:14,879 --> 02:51:18,280
Speaker 2: this morning? It's about the successful assimilation led by the

2955
02:51:18,360 --> 02:51:21,240
Speaker 2: civil rights groups. And we talked to and as somebody mentioned,

2956
02:51:21,280 --> 02:51:24,119
Speaker 2: the Divine Nine as well as is in that group

2957
02:51:24,200 --> 02:51:27,119
Speaker 2: as well, uh and the Black Power Group, the freedom

2958
02:51:27,160 --> 02:51:30,480
Speaker 2: fighters like the Black Panther Party or or Snack or

2959
02:51:30,720 --> 02:51:33,480
Speaker 2: or if you will, you know, you know who else

2960
02:51:33,560 --> 02:51:36,440
Speaker 2: is out there but the Nation of Islam? Are they

2961
02:51:36,600 --> 02:51:39,039
Speaker 2: mutually exclusive? Bubbla man, I'll let you finish your thoughts.

2962
02:51:39,240 --> 02:51:42,960
Speaker 2: And are we forever going to have this dichotomy in

2963
02:51:43,080 --> 02:51:47,039
Speaker 2: our community? One side is for assimilation, one side side

2964
02:51:47,080 --> 02:51:47,920
Speaker 2: for total freedom.

2965
02:51:49,560 --> 02:51:52,120
Speaker 9: Well, Litsten, look bit at this. Let's look at the

2966
02:51:52,240 --> 02:51:56,199
Speaker 9: things that have been accomplished in terms of the progression

2967
02:51:56,400 --> 02:51:58,960
Speaker 9: where we were going we have, you know, we talked

2968
02:51:58,959 --> 02:52:02,640
Speaker 9: about natural air, We talked about Kwanza and the use

2969
02:52:02,680 --> 02:52:06,119
Speaker 9: of African culture as a process. There's something you can

2970
02:52:06,200 --> 02:52:11,560
Speaker 9: actually do and participate in that focuses on our identity,

2971
02:52:11,640 --> 02:52:15,680
Speaker 9: are our distinct culture and our way of life, Black

2972
02:52:15,720 --> 02:52:18,880
Speaker 9: studies programs in schools. You've got Black studies programs in

2973
02:52:19,520 --> 02:52:21,920
Speaker 9: universities that you didn't have before. You have people who

2974
02:52:21,959 --> 02:52:25,720
Speaker 9: are the legitimacy of studying black people and Black ways

2975
02:52:25,800 --> 02:52:29,160
Speaker 9: of life that exist in universities across this country now

2976
02:52:29,280 --> 02:52:32,680
Speaker 9: because of that beer. You have back business developments that

2977
02:52:33,120 --> 02:52:37,440
Speaker 9: never happened before. You have independent schools that were developed

2978
02:52:37,520 --> 02:52:41,879
Speaker 9: in this period of time. You have Black advocacy groups,

2979
02:52:41,959 --> 02:52:46,960
Speaker 9: for example, within organizations, within disciplines. For example, the Black

2980
02:52:47,000 --> 02:52:52,400
Speaker 9: Psychological Associations are the Black social workers organizations.

2981
02:52:51,680 --> 02:52:52,000
Speaker 11: That have.

2982
02:52:54,800 --> 02:52:59,840
Speaker 9: Taken out. Even black policemen have organizations around black policemen

2983
02:52:59,879 --> 02:53:02,400
Speaker 9: that they can belong to. So we have we have

2984
02:53:02,680 --> 02:53:10,680
Speaker 9: greeted created these spaces, these realities within our our communities

2985
02:53:10,720 --> 02:53:13,560
Speaker 9: and the things that we have to do whose ostensive

2986
02:53:13,800 --> 02:53:17,640
Speaker 9: purpose is to serve black people, even though we're in

2987
02:53:17,840 --> 02:53:21,959
Speaker 9: context that is created to serve white people. We've created

2988
02:53:22,240 --> 02:53:27,400
Speaker 9: entities and we've created oasis, We've created contexts within those organizations.

2989
02:53:27,879 --> 02:53:32,160
Speaker 9: That's that's purpose, specifically purpose. The purpose is specifically to

2990
02:53:32,280 --> 02:53:36,160
Speaker 9: serve black people. All that has been done in the

2991
02:53:36,280 --> 02:53:39,760
Speaker 9: so called sixties and seventy pero, we have making real progress.

2992
02:53:40,440 --> 02:53:44,200
Speaker 9: Those things constitute real progress. And they will not they

2993
02:53:44,240 --> 02:53:47,560
Speaker 9: will they will wane to some extent. They don't they

2994
02:53:47,600 --> 02:53:51,760
Speaker 9: won't actually solve the problem, but they are. We are

2995
02:53:51,959 --> 02:53:55,560
Speaker 9: clearly moving in the direction in which we will If

2996
02:53:55,600 --> 02:53:59,920
Speaker 9: we continue this progress, we can eventually solve the problem.

2997
02:54:00,160 --> 02:54:03,400
Speaker 9: Can look to Africa, can look and strengthen our people

2998
02:54:03,560 --> 02:54:08,560
Speaker 9: as a people, can help us defend ourselves against our oppressor.

2999
02:54:09,000 --> 02:54:12,400
Speaker 9: Are people who would use and abuse us, et cetera.

3000
02:54:12,920 --> 02:54:16,560
Speaker 9: We are moving in the right direction. Yes, there will

3001
02:54:16,640 --> 02:54:22,040
Speaker 9: be problems. Yes, there's no clear ultimate time frame for

3002
02:54:22,200 --> 02:54:26,400
Speaker 9: us achieving our liberation. We also have a sense of

3003
02:54:26,560 --> 02:54:30,440
Speaker 9: what that means. It does mean independence, it does mean sovereignty,

3004
02:54:30,560 --> 02:54:34,360
Speaker 9: it does mean strengthening black people. But the direction of

3005
02:54:34,440 --> 02:54:38,240
Speaker 9: which we are headed is clearly that direction, and those

3006
02:54:38,480 --> 02:54:44,440
Speaker 9: all those things represent represent gains in that direction, gains

3007
02:54:44,480 --> 02:54:51,880
Speaker 9: that can will not be totally destroyed or or chased.

3008
02:54:52,240 --> 02:54:56,800
Speaker 9: They are clearly examples of us moving in the right direction.

3009
02:54:57,560 --> 02:54:58,840
Speaker 2: All right, old, that's all right there, I got a

3010
02:54:58,879 --> 02:55:01,560
Speaker 2: tweet question for your tweeted Tweter says, Uh, please ask

3011
02:55:01,600 --> 02:55:04,920
Speaker 2: your guests, He says, your guest oftentimes uses the words

3012
02:55:05,000 --> 02:55:08,160
Speaker 2: subjugated in terms of how black people were treated in history.

3013
02:55:08,760 --> 02:55:10,960
Speaker 2: The twiter goes on and say, can you say that

3014
02:55:11,480 --> 02:55:14,520
Speaker 2: reality is still very much alive today, modern day towards

3015
02:55:14,560 --> 02:55:16,960
Speaker 2: black people. We're still being subjugated today. I guess that's

3016
02:55:17,000 --> 02:55:18,720
Speaker 2: the essence of the tweet question for you.

3017
02:55:20,160 --> 02:55:23,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we're still being undermined. We're still being

3018
02:55:24,120 --> 02:55:28,240
Speaker 9: used by other people. We're still at the bottom, if

3019
02:55:28,280 --> 02:55:31,640
Speaker 9: you will of you know, other peoples of the world

3020
02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:37,960
Speaker 9: see us as beneath below and uh and and use us. Yeah,

3021
02:55:38,440 --> 02:55:41,920
Speaker 9: we're we're we're sort of bullied. You see Donald Trump

3022
02:55:42,000 --> 02:55:44,560
Speaker 9: when you look at him, he's really the sort of

3023
02:55:44,640 --> 02:55:48,600
Speaker 9: bully president the United States. He really and he represents that.

3024
02:55:48,959 --> 02:55:51,080
Speaker 9: And those, you know, people who bully other people, we

3025
02:55:51,160 --> 02:55:55,600
Speaker 9: get bullied are insecure because the reason they bully us

3026
02:55:55,760 --> 02:55:59,640
Speaker 9: is that because they fear us, you know, they do

3027
02:55:59,840 --> 02:56:02,120
Speaker 9: not they want to see us at the bottom. They

3028
02:56:02,360 --> 02:56:05,360
Speaker 9: feel secure as long as they can control us. We

3029
02:56:05,400 --> 02:56:08,120
Speaker 9: as long as they can subjugate us, long as they

3030
02:56:08,200 --> 02:56:12,040
Speaker 9: we will operate in the context of their interests and

3031
02:56:12,200 --> 02:56:14,920
Speaker 9: not operate in the context of our own interests. We

3032
02:56:15,280 --> 02:56:18,120
Speaker 9: are working our way out of that. Yes, with that

3033
02:56:18,320 --> 02:56:22,800
Speaker 9: situation still exists, but the path we're on addresses that.

3034
02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:27,200
Speaker 9: Its fundamental goal is to address that. It's to take

3035
02:56:27,320 --> 02:56:33,320
Speaker 9: us from people who are being bullied to a people

3036
02:56:33,400 --> 02:56:37,000
Speaker 9: who are in strength to protect themselves, to defend themselves,

3037
02:56:37,560 --> 02:56:41,560
Speaker 9: to defend ourselves, to make sure that we are not

3038
02:56:41,840 --> 02:56:46,040
Speaker 9: the ones that are that are the recipient of that

3039
02:56:46,240 --> 02:56:52,160
Speaker 9: subjugation we were. Our goal is to become strength, stronger,

3040
02:56:52,640 --> 02:56:56,080
Speaker 9: and we are slowly moving in that in that direction.

3041
02:56:56,280 --> 02:56:57,840
Speaker 9: That's really what I want to say about that.

3042
02:56:59,720 --> 02:57:02,560
Speaker 2: Your estimation, are we improving or are we still having

3043
02:57:02,600 --> 02:57:04,480
Speaker 2: those struggles? And we're going to continue to have those

3044
02:57:04,520 --> 02:57:08,520
Speaker 2: struggles about assimilations, you know, and some people might call

3045
02:57:08,600 --> 02:57:11,119
Speaker 2: them sellouts if you will, and then and then they

3046
02:57:11,160 --> 02:57:14,320
Speaker 2: are the people that they pro African pro independence group.

3047
02:57:14,400 --> 02:57:16,520
Speaker 2: We're still going to have those and an all these

3048
02:57:16,600 --> 02:57:18,600
Speaker 2: discussions healthy for us as a people to have.

3049
02:57:20,800 --> 02:57:26,000
Speaker 9: I think they that's absolutely we I think nobody's confused

3050
02:57:26,040 --> 02:57:30,320
Speaker 9: about for example, what Clarence common stands for. We're not

3051
02:57:30,440 --> 02:57:36,280
Speaker 9: confused about that. We know that he is disassociated himself

3052
02:57:36,360 --> 02:57:39,480
Speaker 9: with us, and in fact, he has joined our opposition

3053
02:57:39,680 --> 02:57:45,560
Speaker 9: to support our continued suppression. We know that we know

3054
02:57:45,680 --> 02:57:47,560
Speaker 9: that a lot of black people are in the builds

3055
02:57:47,560 --> 02:57:49,959
Speaker 9: of Black people don't intend to do that, but they

3056
02:57:50,120 --> 02:57:53,160
Speaker 9: end up doing it because they're in positions that in

3057
02:57:53,280 --> 02:57:56,520
Speaker 9: order to maintain themselves in that position, they have to,

3058
02:57:56,720 --> 02:58:00,720
Speaker 9: in fact conduct themselves in a way that serves as

3059
02:58:00,800 --> 02:58:05,600
Speaker 9: our oppressor. We know that we're trying to produce context

3060
02:58:05,680 --> 02:58:08,440
Speaker 9: in which we can address those things slowly, but this

3061
02:58:08,600 --> 02:58:11,000
Speaker 9: is a long struggle. This is not something that's going

3062
02:58:11,040 --> 02:58:11,800
Speaker 9: to happen quickly.

3063
02:58:12,600 --> 02:58:14,280
Speaker 2: But right and let me jump in here because because

3064
02:58:14,320 --> 02:58:16,560
Speaker 2: what I asked you before the break was how do

3065
02:58:16,640 --> 02:58:18,800
Speaker 2: we how do we resist this? Though? How do we

3066
02:58:19,000 --> 02:58:21,400
Speaker 2: counter it? If you will, because the media is telling

3067
02:58:21,440 --> 02:58:23,800
Speaker 2: a different story about us then the story that we know,

3068
02:58:24,000 --> 02:58:26,960
Speaker 2: the story they want to tell, and they've been largely successful.

3069
02:58:27,040 --> 02:58:29,560
Speaker 2: That's why we have this schism in the black community.

3070
02:58:29,920 --> 02:58:31,200
Speaker 2: So how do we deal with that when we have

3071
02:58:31,280 --> 02:58:33,560
Speaker 2: to go up against the media, which we don't control.

3072
02:58:36,000 --> 02:58:39,720
Speaker 9: Well, you know, we don't control, but you know you're

3073
02:58:39,760 --> 02:58:42,000
Speaker 9: on the media. This is the media, So you know

3074
02:58:42,160 --> 02:58:44,840
Speaker 9: this is a clear example of a fight. We're talking

3075
02:58:44,959 --> 02:58:48,800
Speaker 9: about it now, we're using the media Kathy Hughes has

3076
02:58:49,080 --> 02:58:53,120
Speaker 9: produced an outlet for us to talk about because that's progress.

3077
02:58:53,720 --> 02:58:58,520
Speaker 9: We're not We're not helpless in the matter. We The

3078
02:58:58,640 --> 02:59:02,520
Speaker 9: more people understand situation, the more they will use their

3079
02:59:02,600 --> 02:59:08,520
Speaker 9: particular circumstance to increase the amount of positive direction, energy

3080
02:59:08,720 --> 02:59:12,120
Speaker 9: and focus that we can use to free ourselves our

3081
02:59:12,360 --> 02:59:15,840
Speaker 9: parson of understand you. Each person has to evaluate where

3082
02:59:15,879 --> 02:59:18,840
Speaker 9: they and what can I do where I sit, where

3083
02:59:18,879 --> 02:59:21,800
Speaker 9: I make my living, how I pay my bills that

3084
02:59:21,959 --> 02:59:24,840
Speaker 9: can also not only serve me and help me do that,

3085
02:59:25,040 --> 02:59:27,640
Speaker 9: but help black people in general. How do we do

3086
02:59:27,800 --> 02:59:30,680
Speaker 9: how do we get people to think about how they

3087
02:59:30,879 --> 02:59:34,320
Speaker 9: use their certain situation to improve their peoples, the lot

3088
02:59:34,440 --> 02:59:37,680
Speaker 9: and circumstances of their people. And that's what we're doing.

3089
02:59:37,920 --> 02:59:40,600
Speaker 9: We're doing we're in the process the same thing that

3090
02:59:40,680 --> 02:59:43,440
Speaker 9: you do. You figured out a way to serve your

3091
02:59:43,560 --> 02:59:49,680
Speaker 9: people with a career that presents ideas and focuses on

3092
02:59:50,200 --> 02:59:53,040
Speaker 9: improving the conditions of your people. You make a living

3093
02:59:53,120 --> 02:59:53,440
Speaker 9: out of that.

3094
02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:54,200
Speaker 8: You do that.

3095
02:59:54,760 --> 02:59:58,360
Speaker 9: That's our job. Our job is to turn our lives

3096
02:59:58,560 --> 03:00:02,640
Speaker 9: into vehicles as much as possible to serve our people.

3097
03:00:03,200 --> 03:00:05,240
Speaker 9: The same thing that you do, the same thing I do.

3098
03:00:05,320 --> 03:00:07,760
Speaker 9: The same thing that other people do is to get

3099
03:00:07,879 --> 03:00:11,840
Speaker 9: us all focused on realizing that's what we have to

3100
03:00:11,920 --> 03:00:15,160
Speaker 9: do and if we do that, we will in fact

3101
03:00:15,440 --> 03:00:19,240
Speaker 9: be able to overcome our obstacles and overcome our situation

3102
03:00:19,480 --> 03:00:20,080
Speaker 9: as a people.

3103
03:00:20,879 --> 03:00:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Bubba Lamumba ate away from the top of

3104
03:00:23,040 --> 03:00:25,320
Speaker 2: the Unfortunately not many of us do that. We go

3105
03:00:25,440 --> 03:00:28,720
Speaker 2: on the job and we still be subservient to the

3106
03:00:28,840 --> 03:00:31,920
Speaker 2: masa and you know, we'll help other folks before what

3107
03:00:32,000 --> 03:00:34,119
Speaker 2: they will help our own people. Even if we're working

3108
03:00:34,200 --> 03:00:36,800
Speaker 2: on the plantation, we still you know, defer to the

3109
03:00:36,879 --> 03:00:39,040
Speaker 2: other folks and give them the head it's up instead

3110
03:00:39,040 --> 03:00:41,640
Speaker 2: of helping our people. How do we turn those folks

3111
03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:42,960
Speaker 2: around who can make decisions.

3112
03:00:43,320 --> 03:00:45,960
Speaker 9: Yes, but we do it more than we used to

3113
03:00:46,040 --> 03:00:49,720
Speaker 9: do it. In other words, yes, that's true. Many of

3114
03:00:49,760 --> 03:00:56,080
Speaker 9: our people are still caught up in a dislike, a disservice,

3115
03:00:56,200 --> 03:00:59,520
Speaker 9: a disrespect of our own people. But well, that's one

3116
03:00:59,520 --> 03:01:01,840
Speaker 9: of the reasons is why we talk about African culture.

3117
03:01:01,920 --> 03:01:05,359
Speaker 9: We have to learn our the value of our own identity.

3118
03:01:05,400 --> 03:01:07,400
Speaker 9: We have to just like the hair thing that we

3119
03:01:07,480 --> 03:01:11,080
Speaker 9: talked about earlier, many of us now, many black people

3120
03:01:11,400 --> 03:01:15,040
Speaker 9: know how beautiful black that nappy hair really is how

3121
03:01:15,080 --> 03:01:20,320
Speaker 9: beautiful their own areas. We didn't know that fifty years ago,

3122
03:01:20,480 --> 03:01:24,000
Speaker 9: sixty years ago, seventy years ago, eighty years ago. Now

3123
03:01:24,080 --> 03:01:28,039
Speaker 9: we do know it. So it's improved. So the trajectory

3124
03:01:28,280 --> 03:01:34,080
Speaker 9: is forward. Yes, we didn't have your show fifty years ago.

3125
03:01:34,320 --> 03:01:38,360
Speaker 9: We have it now, you know, So let's keep moving

3126
03:01:38,400 --> 03:01:41,879
Speaker 9: on that. We didn't have Kwanza, we didn't have black

3127
03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:49,279
Speaker 9: studies programs. We didn't have, you know, an appreciation for ourselves,

3128
03:01:49,320 --> 03:01:52,360
Speaker 9: appreciation of African culture. We didn't have black people with

3129
03:01:52,720 --> 03:01:57,560
Speaker 9: African names. We didn't have those things. Now we have them.

3130
03:01:58,200 --> 03:02:00,800
Speaker 9: We are moving in the right direction. Yes, there's going

3131
03:02:00,879 --> 03:02:05,000
Speaker 9: to be set back, Yes, you know, we can't get

3132
03:02:05,120 --> 03:02:07,400
Speaker 9: rid of all the Clarence Thomas store. They're going to

3133
03:02:07,440 --> 03:02:11,320
Speaker 9: be back people who deliberately sell us out for what

3134
03:02:11,879 --> 03:02:14,280
Speaker 9: they perceive as their own well being and what they

3135
03:02:14,800 --> 03:02:16,640
Speaker 9: you know, use us against each other.

3136
03:02:16,840 --> 03:02:19,360
Speaker 2: Yes, so what do we do with those folks?

3137
03:02:19,400 --> 03:02:19,520
Speaker 9: Though?

3138
03:02:19,560 --> 03:02:22,440
Speaker 2: Baba la Momba, Well, I mean, there's.

3139
03:02:22,280 --> 03:02:26,080
Speaker 9: Nothing we can do with him. Why did Barack Obama

3140
03:02:26,400 --> 03:02:31,960
Speaker 9: choose to uh double the reward against the South the

3141
03:02:32,040 --> 03:02:35,320
Speaker 9: sha cour Why did that happen? We didn't have to

3142
03:02:35,400 --> 03:02:38,199
Speaker 9: do that. He could have ignored it completely. He didn't

3143
03:02:38,240 --> 03:02:41,280
Speaker 9: have to do that, you know, I mean there was

3144
03:02:41,360 --> 03:02:44,040
Speaker 9: a serious meaning. Why don't we condemn him for doing that?

3145
03:02:44,480 --> 03:02:48,280
Speaker 9: Why don't we you know? But the choices that if

3146
03:02:49,080 --> 03:02:54,240
Speaker 9: if people in their circumstances simply do some of what

3147
03:02:54,400 --> 03:02:57,440
Speaker 9: they can do in their circumstances, they help Black people

3148
03:02:57,800 --> 03:03:01,160
Speaker 9: were better off. So you know, there's no easy answer this.

3149
03:03:01,600 --> 03:03:05,640
Speaker 9: This thing won't change quickly, but it can and will

3150
03:03:05,879 --> 03:03:09,520
Speaker 9: and is changing. And that's the point that I'm making

3151
03:03:09,600 --> 03:03:13,800
Speaker 9: you back, people, we do have vehicles to change. We

3152
03:03:13,959 --> 03:03:17,320
Speaker 9: do have a circumstance in which our children and our

3153
03:03:17,400 --> 03:03:21,680
Speaker 9: children's children will have a better prospective of themselves. Just

3154
03:03:21,879 --> 03:03:25,480
Speaker 9: like we talked about du Bois earlier, we will, We'll

3155
03:03:25,560 --> 03:03:28,800
Speaker 9: all make that transition. Du Voice went from a civil

3156
03:03:28,920 --> 03:03:34,520
Speaker 9: rights assimilation advocate to living in Africa, working for Africa.

3157
03:03:34,640 --> 03:03:39,320
Speaker 9: He made that. He evolves. We're also evolving as a people.

3158
03:03:40,600 --> 03:03:43,600
Speaker 9: You know, where we are in that process is another matter,

3159
03:03:43,760 --> 03:03:47,720
Speaker 9: But we are evolving. We are building strengthening ourselves as

3160
03:03:47,760 --> 03:03:52,640
Speaker 9: a people. So you know, let's not think, let's not

3161
03:03:53,080 --> 03:03:58,920
Speaker 9: we let's be hopeful, let's be let's be positive about

3162
03:03:58,959 --> 03:04:02,240
Speaker 9: the games that we've made and let's continue to make

3163
03:04:02,320 --> 03:04:02,920
Speaker 9: those games.

3164
03:04:06,360 --> 03:04:08,760
Speaker 2: So so you're saying we should we we should be

3165
03:04:09,400 --> 03:04:12,160
Speaker 2: we should be patient without some of our folks.

3166
03:04:14,240 --> 03:04:18,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, just slowly. They can increase if we show them

3167
03:04:18,879 --> 03:04:22,240
Speaker 9: the way they want to improve themselves, you know, and

3168
03:04:22,440 --> 03:04:24,840
Speaker 9: in the sense they will they can't. They have the

3169
03:04:24,959 --> 03:04:28,640
Speaker 9: capacity to learn, to understand and to adjust themselves in

3170
03:04:28,720 --> 03:04:34,320
Speaker 9: the same way that you boys did adjusted himself to

3171
03:04:34,440 --> 03:04:38,400
Speaker 9: become an asset instead of a liability to black people.

3172
03:04:39,280 --> 03:04:39,440
Speaker 1: You know.

3173
03:04:39,600 --> 03:04:43,640
Speaker 9: So let's let's let's let's work on that. Let's try

3174
03:04:43,680 --> 03:04:46,240
Speaker 9: to make other black people an asset to their people,

3175
03:04:46,640 --> 03:04:47,640
Speaker 9: not a liability.

3176
03:04:48,680 --> 03:04:51,720
Speaker 2: Gotcha, bubble Lama, thank you, Thank you again. I know

3177
03:04:51,800 --> 03:04:53,640
Speaker 2: you made a lot of people think. I hear the

3178
03:04:53,720 --> 03:04:56,000
Speaker 2: reports after the program with people saying what you what

3179
03:04:56,120 --> 03:04:58,280
Speaker 2: you heard, what you're saying, and they adhere to some

3180
03:04:58,360 --> 03:05:00,720
Speaker 2: of the things you've discussed this morning. I just want

3181
03:05:00,720 --> 03:05:01,800
Speaker 2: to thank you for doing that again.

3182
03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:05,800
Speaker 4: Baba La Bumba, well, thank you, thank you for letting

3183
03:05:05,840 --> 03:05:06,160
Speaker 4: me do it.

3184
03:05:06,320 --> 03:05:09,400
Speaker 2: Brother, all right, family, that's it for the day. That's

3185
03:05:09,440 --> 03:05:13,920
Speaker 2: Baba lumbag classes dismissed and thank you for family, and

3186
03:05:14,200 --> 03:05:18,640
Speaker 2: please stay strong, stay positive, Please please stay healthy. We'll

3187
03:05:18,640 --> 03:05:21,240
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore

3188
03:05:21,320 --> 03:05:24,320
Speaker 2: on ten ten WLB, and also in the DMV on

3189
03:05:24,440 --> 03:05:26,560
Speaker 2: fourteen fifty WOL