1
00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,960
Speaker 1: We're all going to be so poor, Casey, We're going

2
00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,680
Speaker 1: to be We're all just going to.

3
00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,039
Speaker 2: Be so so poor.

4
00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,200
Speaker 1: Uh, it's kindle a Casey show a Rob Casey's here.

5
00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,960
Speaker 1: I just like I read the news now, and you know,

6
00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,240
Speaker 1: one of the things that's fascinating to me is that

7
00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,919
Speaker 1: people are very critical of the Indie Star, especially on

8
00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,640
Speaker 1: our side of the aisle right, because their opinion pieces

9
00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,440
Speaker 1: tend to be very liberal. Now, they brought Jacob Stewart in,

10
00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,720
Speaker 1: who we've had in our program multiple times, who worked

11
00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,840
Speaker 1: for the Republicans in the Senate, who is a much

12
00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,919
Speaker 1: more right voice than what they've previously had. But here's

13
00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,440
Speaker 1: what I tell people about the Indie Star. We are

14
00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:43,040
Speaker 1: all invested, We as regular people, are all invested in

15
00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:49,320
Speaker 1: as many outlets covering state and local government as possible,

16
00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,800
Speaker 1: and we should all be cheering for them to succeed. Because,

17
00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,560
Speaker 1: first of all, so what the Star's liberal? What do

18
00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,319
Speaker 1: the Republicans in this state give you to cheer for?

19
00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,000
Speaker 1: What's happening out there? That you're like, these guys are

20
00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,880
Speaker 1: doing a hell of a job. Your taxes have never

21
00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,080
Speaker 1: been higher, correct, the government has never been bigger. The

22
00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,760
Speaker 1: horizon of said, taxation has never been more bleak. The

23
00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,640
Speaker 1: crony capitalism is at a level we have never seen

24
00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,880
Speaker 1: before in that State House. You are getting sold out

25
00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,759
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. So first of all, what are

26
00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,120
Speaker 1: you concerned about anyway? What that these do gooders in

27
00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,840
Speaker 1: the State House are going to be painted in a

28
00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,200
Speaker 1: negative light. But we need as many boots on the

29
00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,319
Speaker 1: ground as possible to tell you how these guys in

30
00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,680
Speaker 1: the State House are pulling Shenanigans. And the Indie Star

31
00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,160
Speaker 1: in terms of their straight reporting, people like Haley Colombo

32
00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,840
Speaker 1: do a phenomenal job Kaylen Dwyer, et cetera of digging

33
00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,000
Speaker 1: into information and whether it's the Capitol Chronicle or the

34
00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,000
Speaker 1: Star or Mere Indie or whoever it is, or these

35
00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,919
Speaker 1: you know this citizenjournalists people certainly guys like Indie Reporter.

36
00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,360
Speaker 1: We need all of them to be thriving and moving

37
00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,320
Speaker 1: in the same direction to expose what's going on. And

38
00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,840
Speaker 1: the Star did this again yesterday. The Star does this

39
00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,120
Speaker 1: a lot.

40
00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't think that.

41
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,480
Speaker 1: I think there's people just failed to realize is their

42
00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:22,639
Speaker 1: straight reporting is oftentimes excellent in terms of exposing what's

43
00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,600
Speaker 1: going on. Of course, thinks those Republicans. Democrats don't control

44
00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,440
Speaker 1: anything like I think the Stars going a fine job

45
00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,880
Speaker 1: of They don't ask for hawks that was during the riots.

46
00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,840
Speaker 2: They don't want to touch that. But whether it's the Thomas.

47
00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,320
Speaker 1: Carl Cook stuff or whatever they've delved into that, they've

48
00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,000
Speaker 1: given us more information certainly than that that goofy report

49
00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,280
Speaker 1: that the city did. And yesterday Marissa Mater had the

50
00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:51,040
Speaker 1: report another phenomenal job of journalism talking about what a

51
00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,120
Speaker 1: bunch of cheap prostitutes our lawmakers are and how they

52
00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,720
Speaker 1: will sell you out for a couple of meals and

53
00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,640
Speaker 1: some tickets to some places, I mean dinner. This is

54
00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,400
Speaker 1: absolutely so. I will read you the headline before we

55
00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,160
Speaker 1: get into it. Energy lobby ramped up spending on meals

56
00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,520
Speaker 1: and gifts for lawmakers amid push for nuclear It worked.

57
00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,360
Speaker 1: Now what we're talking about is and we have we

58
00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,919
Speaker 1: have harped on this for months now. How Mike Brawn

59
00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,040
Speaker 1: and the Indiana General Assembly with a guy named Ed

60
00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,200
Speaker 1: Soliday leading the church. By the way, Soliday, you'll remember

61
00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,919
Speaker 1: his name. He's the state rep who threatened that Mayor

62
00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:36,120
Speaker 1: of Portage, Austin Bonta because Bonta had come out as

63
00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,120
Speaker 1: the mayor and said, Hey, these utility bills for our

64
00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,040
Speaker 1: local energy company are totally out of control. I'm hearing

65
00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,440
Speaker 1: from these people. We got to make changes with how

66
00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,000
Speaker 1: we're doing this. We've gotta make change with the i

67
00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,960
Speaker 1: U r C. And that Ed Soliday I can't say

68
00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,480
Speaker 1: that that Ed Soliday guy sent him a text message.

69
00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,480
Speaker 2: That Bonta put up on social media.

70
00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,800
Speaker 1: We had him on the show, which basically said, you

71
00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,720
Speaker 1: better get in line, buddy, or I'm gonna make sure

72
00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,440
Speaker 1: you're that he doesn't get any extra money going forward. Correct,

73
00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,760
Speaker 1: You're dealing with the mafia at this point. These guys,

74
00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,320
Speaker 1: these lawmakers, they are the mafia.

75
00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,240
Speaker 2: Dense well, I's gonna say.

76
00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,920
Speaker 1: And the guys like at Solid Day are at the

77
00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,880
Speaker 1: tip of the spear on this in terms of they

78
00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,840
Speaker 1: believe there you know what, don't stink. Yeah, they believe

79
00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,560
Speaker 1: they can do whatever they want to do. You're lucky

80
00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,960
Speaker 1: that you have people like them lording over you. And

81
00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,680
Speaker 1: boy howdy, does this article from the Indie Starge show

82
00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,640
Speaker 1: just how gross these people are.

83
00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,680
Speaker 3: So we should get into it some of the details

84
00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,320
Speaker 3: about this. Because the energy lobby, they ramped up their

85
00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,600
Speaker 3: spending on meals and gifts for these people right as

86
00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,960
Speaker 3: the time they were discussing SMRs.

87
00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:44,000
Speaker 1: So SMRs are small modular reactors. They are a new

88
00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,880
Speaker 1: They are a way of providing nuclear power, which the

89
00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,480
Speaker 1: state now recognizes they have to do because they've sucked

90
00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,280
Speaker 1: up all the previously known ways of getting electricity to

91
00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,040
Speaker 1: people because they're giving them away to data centers and

92
00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,440
Speaker 1: mega corporations. And so what the legislature did, along with

93
00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,200
Speaker 1: the blessing from Governor Braun, who lied, you know, bron

94
00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,440
Speaker 1: seems to have a problem with the truth casey have

95
00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,240
Speaker 1: we touched on that before in this program.

96
00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,599
Speaker 2: Now it could be the dementia.

97
00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,120
Speaker 1: It could be that he's in the early stages of

98
00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,159
Speaker 1: some sort of intense mental decline. We don't know, but

99
00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,000
Speaker 1: Braun seems to have trouble remembering what he's told people,

100
00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,480
Speaker 1: whether it was fight fight fight at the property tax

101
00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,679
Speaker 1: rally or that he wasn't going to let the utility

102
00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,200
Speaker 1: bills go up. This governor's got a real problem with

103
00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,640
Speaker 1: the truth. So what they signed into law is the

104
00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,640
Speaker 1: ability for the utilities to essentially become doctor Frankenstein and

105
00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,880
Speaker 1: do all this unproven testing with these SMRs, which they

106
00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,720
Speaker 1: have to do now because they've given the farm away

107
00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,560
Speaker 1: to these data centers and these other mega corps and

108
00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,280
Speaker 1: megabuildings that require all this.

109
00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,440
Speaker 2: Power, and they know they're running out.

110
00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,640
Speaker 1: They're going to allow these utilities to essentially doctor Frankenstein

111
00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,000
Speaker 1: nuclear energy, and if it fails, you still pay the

112
00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,840
Speaker 1: tab as the user. If it succeeds, you pay the tab.

113
00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,159
Speaker 1: But the big thing is if it doesn't work, which

114
00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,640
Speaker 1: there's no track record of this working, by the way,

115
00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,480
Speaker 1: it's not something like we can point to all these

116
00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,760
Speaker 1: places where it's done, all this great stuff, which is

117
00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,919
Speaker 1: why they needed it in the bill. This was the

118
00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,840
Speaker 1: key the energy lobby needed in the bill that if

119
00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:24,120
Speaker 1: their technology, if they're experimenting, fails, you the user, you,

120
00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,760
Speaker 1: the consumer of electricity, will still pay the bill.

121
00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,200
Speaker 3: Right, So they're providing these tax credits for these SMR

122
00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,520
Speaker 3: manufacturers and who is it on the back of you,

123
00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:35,640
Speaker 3: dear friend you.

124
00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:42,840
Speaker 1: So The Star did a fabulous deep dive on how

125
00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:48,800
Speaker 1: much money the energy lobby spent and really where they

126
00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:56,320
Speaker 1: targeted their expenditures, and primarily it rested it. One of

127
00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,839
Speaker 1: the top guys was this ed solid day mister Don

128
00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,560
Speaker 1: Corleone himself over there trying to strong arm local mayors

129
00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,440
Speaker 1: who question ever rising utility costs. Now that's crushing their constituents.

130
00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,520
Speaker 1: And boy did they spend a boatload of money.

131
00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,680
Speaker 3: Casey yeah, Indiana, Michigan Power and the Indiana Energy Association.

132
00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:17,400
Speaker 2: You ready for this.

133
00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:22,160
Speaker 3: They spent over eighteen thousand dollars each on meals and gifts.

134
00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:27,680
Speaker 3: Duke Energy spent two hundred and fifty thousand dollars on

135
00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,440
Speaker 3: legal lobbying, was a top campaign donor. By the way,

136
00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,600
Speaker 3: to Senator Eric Kunch, So.

137
00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,600
Speaker 1: What the what the lawmakers will tell you about the

138
00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,600
Speaker 1: lobby the lobby stuff is and by the way, the

139
00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:38,720
Speaker 1: lobbyist stuff should.

140
00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,400
Speaker 2: Be, well, we'll get to that. Say.

141
00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,600
Speaker 1: What they will tell you is we need these guys

142
00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,800
Speaker 1: because we're a part time legist. Now, these dudes make

143
00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,360
Speaker 1: like seventy five grand a year to be part time legislators.

144
00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:50,680
Speaker 1: So it's going to cost you so much when they

145
00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,280
Speaker 1: have the special session, you got pay them to come back. Now,

146
00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,120
Speaker 1: what they'll tell you is the excuse though, is well

147
00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,080
Speaker 1: me so stupid?

148
00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:56,680
Speaker 3: Me?

149
00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,840
Speaker 2: No, no, me, no, I have no idea.

150
00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,600
Speaker 1: Me need lobbyists to tell me what's going on because

151
00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:07,080
Speaker 1: they're experts. Okay, great, what does a five course meal

152
00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,320
Speaker 1: at a fine restaurant, or tickets to your favorite sporting

153
00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,560
Speaker 1: event or concert.

154
00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,840
Speaker 2: Have to do with informing you of a topic. Right.

155
00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,040
Speaker 1: That is not about giving you information. That is legalized bribery.

156
00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,840
Speaker 1: That's exactly what that is. It is legalized bribery where

157
00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,640
Speaker 1: these dudes these interests, and it happens with all these

158
00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,200
Speaker 1: yues we're talking about we're talking.

159
00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,080
Speaker 2: About power right now.

160
00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,720
Speaker 1: But these dudes dole out the stuff to get the lawmakers.

161
00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,720
Speaker 1: They can't hand them a bag of cash, right because

162
00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,000
Speaker 1: that's illegal. And this is how they get around it.

163
00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,440
Speaker 1: They buy them meals, they give them tickets to stuff.

164
00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:42,920
Speaker 1: That's how this works.

165
00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,960
Speaker 3: Yes, so they are subject matter experts. There's me's, but

166
00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,560
Speaker 3: they also like to give dinners and sport tickets and

167
00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,640
Speaker 3: private meals away.

168
00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,840
Speaker 1: So it's a long article. It's very well written, it's

169
00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,640
Speaker 1: very well sourced. It tells you. I mean, we could

170
00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,840
Speaker 1: spend while, we could spend a whole hour talking about this,

171
00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,280
Speaker 1: and we're not going to do that because we've got

172
00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:04,800
Speaker 1: a lot of other ways in which you're going to

173
00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,800
Speaker 1: end up very poor to tell you about. But you

174
00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,040
Speaker 1: are going to pay more. There is no if sands

175
00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,640
Speaker 1: or butts about it. You are going to pay more

176
00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,160
Speaker 1: for your utility, for your power to your home because

177
00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,720
Speaker 1: these lawmakers have sold you out. You're going to pay

178
00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,800
Speaker 1: more for a variety of reasons. Number One, you're going

179
00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,280
Speaker 1: to pay more because our state is allowing sometimes foreign,

180
00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,200
Speaker 1: sometimes domestic megacorps to come in and take your power.

181
00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,840
Speaker 1: They're going to take they're allowing them to use it

182
00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,640
Speaker 1: all so that there's not going to be enough left

183
00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,320
Speaker 1: to power your home. Everybody's admitting this at this point.

184
00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,800
Speaker 1: That's where we're headed. And what we're about to talk about.

185
00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,960
Speaker 1: What we are about to talk about very Austin powers

186
00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,200
Speaker 1: on me there. What we're going to talk about next

187
00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,880
Speaker 1: is how they're not stopping like they know this is

188
00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,839
Speaker 1: going on, They know what the data centers are doing,

189
00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,720
Speaker 1: and they are not stopping.

190
00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,480
Speaker 2: So in order to.

191
00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,679
Speaker 1: Keep this little well con such a strong word, right,

192
00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,560
Speaker 1: case or Ponzi scheme is such a strong word, right,

193
00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,320
Speaker 1: we won't use words like that. In order to keep

194
00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,199
Speaker 1: this little game going. In order to keep this up,

195
00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,000
Speaker 1: they have to get more power. Yes, they have to,

196
00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,040
Speaker 1: in order to take because what they're doing is they're

197
00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,920
Speaker 1: taking money from you, the taxpayer, and they're using that

198
00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:32,720
Speaker 1: money to facilitate the development of these megabuildings, the data centers,

199
00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,640
Speaker 1: these mega corporations, blah blah blah. But what they can't

200
00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,920
Speaker 1: get around is that they're everybody's going to run out

201
00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,880
Speaker 1: of power, and so they have to charge you more

202
00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,320
Speaker 1: for the power for these people to have free ride

203
00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,120
Speaker 1: again is such a strong word, but a freer ride

204
00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,400
Speaker 1: than regular people. And in order to do that now

205
00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,080
Speaker 1: they claim they got to go to this super experimental technology.

206
00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,000
Speaker 1: And these lawmakers are so weak and they're such cheap

207
00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,040
Speaker 1: prostitutes that for a few meals, for a few tickets,

208
00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,400
Speaker 1: they're willing to say something as stupid as sure, we'll

209
00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,400
Speaker 1: put our rate payers on the hook. We'll put our

210
00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,840
Speaker 1: taxpayers on the hook whether you succeed or not.

211
00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:12,880
Speaker 2: Can you name me.

212
00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,360
Speaker 1: Any other business model, casey where the business doesn't have

213
00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,760
Speaker 1: to produce the product and everybody else still have to

214
00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:20,880
Speaker 1: pass for everybody else.

215
00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah,