1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: So I did a couple of interviews yesterday. Yeah you did, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: and I said the same thing in both of them. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: By the way, it's Killen Casey show. I'm Rob that's Casey. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: I said, I feel like I'm living in the bizarro world, 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: and there's so much of politics is the bizarro world now? 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: It's the traditional way we did Politics really did go 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: out the window when Trump first ran for president. But 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: like I'm watching what's going on and what's going on 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: today at the state House. It's organization Day, which means 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: it's the start of the legislative session. Lawmakers are going 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: to reconvene for a day. And there's this like planned 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: protest at the state House at eleven o'clock, gathering for 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: redistricting yads and gathering. And what I mean by when 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: I said I feel like I'm living in the bizarro 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: world is that the policy doesn't matter anymore. We're so 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: on the like the Trump movement is so cult to 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: personality now, where Trump was supposed to be about better policy, 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: but oddly enough, the policy itself doesn't even matter anymore. 19 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: People will just do whatever because it's Trump, and then 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: we try to work through logically with them why people 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: may not want that, but it doesn't make them anti Trump. 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: Know you're against our president and we're going to make 23 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: you pay. And so what I mean by this is 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: and Kayla Dwyer from the Indie Star, who's a fabulous reporter, 25 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: and I had a great chat about this. She's working 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: on various pieces, and I said, you know, it's fascinating 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: to me because we had a rally at the State 28 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: House this past spring in which a thousand people showed up, 29 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: and we were very clear about what we were doing 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: at that rally, which was it was about people being 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: able to afford to stay in their homes. Like property 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: taxes are out of control. They have reached a crisis 33 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: point for many people. We've got to do something that's 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: going to fix this for the people the state of Indiana. 35 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: Correct should be a thing that's universally revered, accepted, embraced 36 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: by Republicans. Right lower taxes, and in the process of 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: lowering the taxes, we're going to force government to kind 38 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: of get its act together. Right should be a thing 39 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: that people are celebrating. In mass. Most of the State 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: House resoundingly rejected us. They hid from us, they didn't 41 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: they didn't engage with They said, like the grand they're purchase. 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: They rejected us to the point where they said, don't 43 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: even wear green on Saint Patrick's Day because we were 44 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: all wearing green, and no national people that I'm aware of, 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: whether it's DC Draino or any of these people, were like, hey, 46 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: look at what these guys are doing. This is awesome. 47 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: Everybody get behind them because property taxes, we should all 48 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: agree with, you live in Florida or California or Indiana 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: or wherever, are a horrible, horrible way to fund your government, 50 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: and they're brutally unfair to the citizen. RLI like, there 51 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: was no people who got behind us. Everything we did 52 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: was organic and it was the people of the state. 53 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: But nobody got behind us for what should be this 54 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:19,559 Speaker 1: universally accepted cause of fighting property taxes from the Republicans 55 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: or the Trump orbit or whatever. But then this idea 56 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: of getting these redrawn maps, which don't benefit anyone here 57 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: and can't you can't even guarantee they're going to produce 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: the two Republican seats. You have all of these outside 59 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: people and some of these lawmakers who are having an 60 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: aneurysm over it, and I just look at this and go, 61 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: what are we doing? 62 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: Right? 63 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: What's going on here? You people are being vile, You're 64 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: being mean, you're screaming. You don't even live in our state. 65 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: And yet when we were trying to do the thing 66 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: which is what government should be all about, or the 67 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: movement of trying to or the actor trying to move 68 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: government should be all about, which is to produce better 69 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: public's policies that help the people, you are nowhere to 70 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: be found. But these stupid maps that don't guarantee to 71 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: help anyone, even if you got the two Republicans in there. 72 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: Oh no, we're gonna move heaven and Earth and craps 73 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: on because Trump wants it. What are we doing? 74 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: Well? Many people are arguing that we need these redistricting 75 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: maps so that Trump can pass his legislation. But he 76 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: already has control over everything, right, He's got it. 77 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: Now, Why isn't he doing whatever this great thing is 78 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: that depends on these two Republicans in Indiana? Maybe existing 79 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: don't even know if they would do. You see what 80 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like the mental gymnastics that are going on here, 81 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: and I'm watching this, and then I'm watching how these 82 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: people are responding to these calls basically calls to battle, 83 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: and it's like, why didn't you do this when we 84 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: were trying to do something to actually help the people. 85 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: So it's not even about the policy anymore. It's not 86 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: even it's about some at least it comes off as 87 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: some cult to personality or whatever this guy wants. We're 88 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: gonna do whatever we can to make it happen. But 89 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: we're not even like logically thinking through or explaining why 90 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: this is the hill we're dying. 91 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: It's about being able to help him pass his agenda 92 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: after the mid terms. 93 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: But what what is he Why isn't he passing it? Now? 94 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: He had the opportunity with this bill that I thought 95 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: was supposed to be the end all the awful bill. Yeah, 96 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: I thought that was supposed to be the thing, right, 97 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: So that's past. What are we doing here? And so 98 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: I sit and I watch this. 99 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: Securing the future because Democrats are going to do it. 100 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: They're going to Jerrymander. So now red states they have 101 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: to redistrict. 102 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: But the others the NYE for an eye, but we 103 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: are already ahead on the red stage. So you've got 104 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: Texas offsetting California. So that's a wash. You have Missouri, 105 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: you have Ohio, you have North Carolina, you have all 106 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: of those are Republican moves that are going to help 107 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. 108 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: And now you got Florida getting in the game. 109 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: But that's not good enough, right, So then it comes 110 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: back to a total lack of under what appears to 111 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: be a total disconnect. And I think that's the word 112 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: I used in these interviews, that I gave a disconnect 113 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: from the governor of the state of Indiana and the president. 114 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: But look, the Trump is all about Trump. He doesn't 115 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: care about us at all. Right, that is the name 116 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: of the game. Whatever benefits Trump, this is about Trump. 117 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: But a total disconnect from the governor on why people 118 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: aren't on board with this, And for so many people, 119 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: it comes back to what I've just described, which is 120 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: we begged for the governor and this legislator, these legislators 121 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: to help us not do some irresponsible or illogical thing, 122 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: but just help us afford to stay at our homes, 123 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: and we got basically nothing. But then people are like, well, 124 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand, why wouldn't you be on our side 125 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: when you're asking us to do this redistricting thing. I don't, 126 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: and Braun just appears totally disconnected from that. 127 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: You were called an influential conservative talk radio host on 128 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: WIBC in the CNN art I made to see it end. 129 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: My mother would be very proud. Parents will do this. 130 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes they're like, hey, I saw you in the Indie Star. 131 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 132 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: I have a daily highly rated radio program, regularly one 133 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: or two in the market. Yeah, but I saw you 134 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: on seeing it. 135 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: But they'll and this is the quote, they'll move heaven 136 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: and earth to help Republicans pick up two seats in Congress, 137 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: Kendall said. And people are saying, wait a second, you 138 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: won't do anything to help me, but you'll do all 139 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: of this to help your party. I think that's rubbed 140 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: people the wrong way. 141 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is. I think people look at 142 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: people like, I want to play this clip of what 143 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: Braun because now Braun has to have adult supervision. Apparently 144 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: wherever he goes he had to bring Marlon Stutsman with them. 145 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 4: He did. 146 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: He was talking about his conversation with Donald Trump now Marts. 147 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: They talked. 148 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: Carlin also one of the guys who didn't lift a 149 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: finger to help us during property taxes. Boy, wouldn't that 150 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: have been very helpful to have a US Rep come 151 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: in and say, hey, these guys are on it. Everybody 152 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: get down there and help these guys out. Didn't say 153 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: word one about helping us with property taxes, but helping 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: himself in the US House of Representatives, he's all about that. 155 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: And I guess they can't let Braun go anywhere by 156 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: himself now because it goes so bad every time he 157 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: goes somewhere. So he was on What News Nation with Marlin, 158 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: who is I guess playing the role of adult supervision 159 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: yesterday for our governor. And again listen to Braun talk 160 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: about this and it's just like there's just a total 161 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: disconnect on what's going on and how our state government 162 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: actually works. 163 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 4: I talked to him for over ten minutes here earlier today, 164 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 4: and I think calling the state out. He knows where 165 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 4: I'm at in this whole navigation. I can call them 166 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 4: into session, and I did that with plenty of time. 167 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: This has been several months rob where they've been dragging 168 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 4: their feet, and as more senators started coming forward forward, 169 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 4: they actually put the wet blanket on it because they 170 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: knew it was going to get there. And that's where 171 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 4: the Senate protam said they're not even going to gabble 172 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 4: into session. The House has already said they've got the 173 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 4: number of votes needed and they've got to at least 174 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 4: do it to put pressure. 175 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: On the Senate. 176 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 4: So this is clearly a Senate leadership group that has 177 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 4: no interest in doing this. I mean, this has big 178 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 4: implications in terms of the agenda in DC. 179 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: But sir, this is the same Senate leadership that screwed 180 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: your signature agenda item last year, and you didn't say 181 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: word one when they get gutted Senate Bill one. You 182 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: you were not a fraction as passionate when we were 183 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: begging you, like, what can we do? How do we 184 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: help you? Now we got this man, it'll be fine, 185 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: it'll be all right. When they gutted Senate Bill one, 186 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: where was this passion then something that actually would have 187 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: helped people. Nothing, nothing that even compares to the smidge 188 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: of what he's doing on redistricting. And people see this 189 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: and they go, well, why didn't you do this when 190 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: it could have helped me? 191 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: Okay, so now they're signaling some tweaks to send a 192 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 2: bill one. 193 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: Shall we talk about that when we come back. Yeah, 194 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: because I was told Braun was coming back for more right, 195 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: and the leadership yesterday said not so much. 196 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: All right, well we'll talk about what is being said 197 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: about the property tax bill coming out from ninety three WYBC. 198 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: You're fine, Twitter will be back. 199 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Twitter's down. It's weird. Part of it's up, but 200 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: you can't read any comments and it's not refreshing. 201 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing? Like we are in an era like 202 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: the I mean, it just simply didn't exist twenty years ago, 203 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, where the society's altered based on if 204 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: some application is working. Like if you'd have said that 205 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: twenty years ago, society will be derailed by Twitter not working. 206 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: Some guy would look at you and go, oh. 207 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: What's Twitter? What's that? 208 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: Well? 209 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: What was your concern when we came into the studio, 210 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: you asked, Kevin? You I know it was twenty two 211 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: minutes ago. Yeah, what is YouTube up? Oh? 212 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something what's it called flare or something cloud 213 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: flare or something is not flaring properly. I don't know. 214 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 5: I should probably mention that Omni is down as well, 215 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 5: so that will delay the uploading. 216 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: Of the podcasting. Yes, so for all you people that 217 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: listen on the podcast. If you have a friend that 218 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: does that, it could very well be delayed until the 219 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: flaring is flaring. 220 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: It's flaring, yeah, but in the meantime we are up 221 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: on YouTube. Hey. 222 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: By the way, I got to ask you this question. 223 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: I know we're gonna get property tax, we'll do that 224 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: in a little bit. I think this is more important. Sure, 225 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: my wife did something the other day, uh huh. And 226 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: I got to ask you if I have a right 227 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: to say she was totally out of bounds for this. 228 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm probably gonna side with her, but 229 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: I don't think so I have to hear this. 230 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: I was taken aback by this. So you know, I 231 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: don't do anything with the technology, right, just whatever she 232 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: hooks it all up. I assume I'm being watched twenty 233 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: five or seven. Yeah, I don't know what's going on, right, 234 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: but there was something going on with our television. And 235 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: I told her, I said, I have no idea what 236 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: any of this jargon is. My wife is in the 237 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: technology field. She's a whiz with everything for her job, right, 238 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: So I was like, instead of me just pressing a 239 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: bunch of buttons, this is probably like a two second 240 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: operation for someone who knows what they're doing. Can you 241 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: fix what the issue is? And you know what I hear? 242 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: And she like snatches the remote from me and she 243 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: does the thing, and it's like two seconds, and she 244 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: goes here, yeah, And I said, what the hell's that 245 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: all about? So well, like, I just don't like doing 246 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: my job at home. Oh, I said, it took you 247 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: two seconds. Look turns at the TV up so our 248 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: kid can watch the cartoons. Right, well, she goes, she 249 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: looks at me, goes, well, I just don't like doing 250 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: my job at home. And I said, your. 251 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: Job is like fixing the TV. Do you ever monologue 252 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: in the kitchen? 253 00:12:58,679 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 3: I guess. 254 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: She goes, well, you you wouldn't like to do your 255 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: job at home? I said, I do my job at 256 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: home all the time. Ah, we do in this house 257 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: talking about politics, so I would do. I mean, that 258 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: was kind of crappy of her. 259 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: Right, well, maybe she was trying to give you a 260 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 2: hint to learn it, so if she's not there, you 261 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: can find. 262 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: Well I could have done it, but the point is 263 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm trying to set it up for the kid. Whatever 264 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: it is. It would have figured it out. It would 265 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: have taken me probably three to four minutes extra of 266 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: having to hear my kid go veggietail, veggietail, veggietail, veggietail. 267 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: Yea like for everyone. I was like, you can fix 268 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: this in two seconds. You do, it will go about 269 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: our day. 270 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: Do you know what the problem was? 271 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: It would something with the connecting. I don't know. I 272 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: mean I would have figured it out, I can. But 273 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: I just thought this is a very simple fix for 274 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: someone who knows what they're doing. It was. It took 275 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: about two seconds, and then, for her own sanity, we 276 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: all go about our day. 277 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: Maybe she was just hungry or tired, needed a nap 278 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: or something to eat. 279 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: I don't like to do my job at home. I'm 280 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: not asking you to, you know, do whatever it is 281 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: you do during the day. 282 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: You don't even know me know what she does. 283 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to know. 284 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: If all else fails from just unplug it, count to ten, 285 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: plug it back in, well reset. 286 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: When she is talking about the cybersecurity stuff in the 287 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: computers and blah blah blah, I just go, hey, that's great. 288 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: Your eyes glaze over, you start drooling. You have no idea, you. 289 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: Don't even care about what I do. No, it's not 290 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: that I just don't understand it, and I'm not even 291 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: going to pretend to try. 292 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: Don't even care to learn. I think that's the issue. 293 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: Chose. I tell her all the time, I said, you 294 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: chose a field that makes money, and you're gonna have 295 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: a great life. In me, I chose a life of poverty. Okay, 296 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: So we all just we all get our benefits from 297 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: what we chose to do. 298 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: So next time she asks you your opinion on something, 299 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: you just need to I don't do my job when 300 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: I'm home, you decide. 301 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: Hey, okay. So the big day yesterday in central Indiana, 302 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: the Boone County Prosecutor made a charging decision in the 303 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: shooting there in Whitestown. Of course, it's involved the cleaning 304 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: lady who went to the wrong house. Guy Relford, who 305 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: is is the attorney for the person. 306 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: Who the homeowner, Yeah, who was charged. 307 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: And Ryan Hedrick covered this thing from the WBC news 308 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: room pretty much from start to finish. Oh, my wife 309 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: doesn't listen to my show, Brian, I'm and you've dug 310 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: yourself a deeper hole by talking about it. She doesn't 311 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: even like being around me at home. She's not listening 312 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: to this program. 313 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: Well, no, she's doing cybersecurity for someone right now, say, I. 314 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: Wonder if it were anyway. Ryan Header from the WBEC 315 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: newser will join us. We'll tell you everything that happened yesterday. 316 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: This look, this is going to be a massive national story. 317 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: We'll give you the lady that it already is. 318 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: CBS was reporting on it yesterday. He's going to join us, 319 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: coming up on ninety three WIBC. 320 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: Okay big day. Yesterday, the Boon County Prosecutor came out 321 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: and announced charges against the individual in why Ightstown who 322 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: was involved in the shooting with the cleaning lady try 323 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: to enter the wrong house. This is making national news. 324 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: As you had said, Casey right before we went to 325 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: the break Yole, it's Kenel Casey and Rob, that's Casey. 326 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: This seems like this story has a very big feel 327 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: to it. 328 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 329 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: And in the middle of all this now, as our 330 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: own Guy Ralford, he is serving as the attorney for 331 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: the gentleman who's facing charges. So let's kind of break 332 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: it all down what happened yesterday. Ryan Headrick, newsman extraordinaire 333 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: from the WBC newsroom, joins us. Now, Ryan, Hello, what's up? 334 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: Good morning, Rob good morning, Casey, So. 335 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: Tell us exactly what this individual was charged with, all right. 336 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: So, voluntary manslaughters the loan charge that Kurt Anderson is 337 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: facing this morning. And on November fifth, he fired a 338 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: single shot and according to the probable cause, after David, 339 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: he fired that shot from the top of the steps 340 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 3: down to the door, through the door, through the head 341 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: of Maria Florinda Rios Perez de Vasquez. 342 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: Okay, so, and Guy Rafford was on the hammer Nigel yesterday. 343 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: He didn't get into any specifics with the case. Was 344 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: interesting interview. Go back and listen to it at wait 345 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: till noon. We don't care what you do during Tony Katz. 346 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: But and he didn't get any specifics. But really it 347 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: sounds like this is gonna hinge on the defense. You know, 348 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: he you know, let a little bit out the mixture 349 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: of this castle doctrine and stand your ground law. Do 350 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: you know did you get any feel from the prosecutor 351 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: why he didn't think those would apply in this case? 352 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: Well, he said that one of the interesting things he said. 353 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 3: And then you really have to read the probab will 354 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: cause out David, which is about twenty five pages long. 355 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 3: I'm about halfway through. But one of the things that 356 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: stuck out to me is that he didn't he didn't 357 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: say anything to the effect like you're near my door, 358 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: get away, get out of here. He just fired the shot. 359 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: So he wakes up at six point fifty him and 360 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 3: his wife were upstairs. He wakes up to noises at 361 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: the front door. He thought it was a break in. 362 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 3: He retrieved his handgun from his safe room, which was 363 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: like a music room, and then he fired this one shot. 364 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: But he didn't say anything. He didn't say like, who's 365 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 3: at my door, what do you want? 366 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: Who's that? 367 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: Nothing? And that's what I think is part of the 368 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 3: reason why the Stanyel ground law part of the castle 369 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 3: doctrine may not apply here. But I'm not an attorney. 370 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 3: I'm not qualified to make that. 371 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what it comes down because I've 372 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: obviously talked with many people about this. As Casey said, 373 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: this thing thing is making national news if you're a juror, 374 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: and look, the letter of the law is gonna be 375 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: the letter of the law, right, But if you're a juror, 376 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay, what steps did the 377 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: individual take to try to mitigate the circumstance, like was 378 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: he on the like Logically you would say, and you 379 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: don't know how you would respond until something's happening in 380 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: real time, and I'm sure it's going to be a 381 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: part of the defense. But logically you would say, were 382 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: you on the phone with nine to one one, wouldn't 383 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: your immediate thought be once you've achieved your weapon or whatever, 384 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't you be saying to yourself, Hey, somebody's try to 385 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: get in my house. I got to call the authorities. 386 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: Like none of that appeared to be happening in this case. 387 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Also the guy Mauricio Maria's husband, according to witnesses 388 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: in the affidavit, they did not try to force entry. 389 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: They were taken to what they thought was a model 390 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: home to clean this home. I think there's a little 391 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 3: bit of a language barrier, the ability to read and 392 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 3: speak English. Maybe they couldn't see all the signs up, 393 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 3: you know, if there were any signs. But wouldn't you 394 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: know if somebody was home, if you were sent to 395 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 3: clean a model home, and assuming there's like cars in 396 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: the driveway or activity in a home, a home that's 397 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 3: full looks a lot different than a model home. So 398 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 3: according to witnesses. They told the Whitestown Police Department that 399 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: neither one of these people forced entry. They were trying 400 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: to access what they believe was the current address and 401 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 3: Mauricio's GPS is what led them to this home. So 402 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: maybe he punched in the wrong address, or the per 403 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: and that was directing them to the home gave them 404 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 3: the wrong address address. 405 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: Yep, Ryan Header from the WBC newsroom, as our guests, 406 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: we're talking about these The charge of voluntary manslaughter is 407 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: the charge yesterday leveled in this Whitestown shooting. It's a horrible, 408 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: horrible event which these cleaning people who went to the 409 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: wrong house, though the woman was shot through the door 410 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: as they were trying to enter the wrong home. 411 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: How has the victims family responded to the chargers. 412 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: They just want justice. They say that you know, there's 413 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: no way the shooting should have happened. Through a translator, 414 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 3: they're speaking with the attorney. They had a press conference 415 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 3: at about five o'clock and the attorney said, look, this 416 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 3: comes down to right and wrong. I think he reiterates 417 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 3: a little bit of what we saw and read and 418 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 3: the probab will cause outfi David, No warning was given, 419 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: and I mean we can guess if a warning was given, 420 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: if they would have understood it. But at least he 421 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: would have made an attempt. I'm talking about Kurt Anderson, 422 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 3: the guy accused in the shooting, would have made an 423 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 3: attempt to let these people know at the front door 424 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: that he was armed, that they were entering a home 425 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 3: that was occupied by two people, not a model home. 426 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: Now, Guy Ralford is arguably the best, not only two 427 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: a attorney in the state. He's one of the best 428 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: in the country. Nobody knows the law like him. He's 429 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: literally helped write these laws. He seems very reasonable too 430 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: in his approach, like you know, the red flag laws. 431 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: He's played a big role in You get any any 432 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: inkling yesterday from the interview with Hammer Nigel because he said, 433 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: after the interview with Hammer Nigel said, I'm done talking 434 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: about it like it's all gonna play out in court. 435 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: What the case is actually gonna be? Like what he's 436 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: because they were not in the home and it wasn't 437 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: a thing where Hey, if some guys maybe not the 438 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: Homebany's banging on the door, maybe you see that as Hey, 439 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: I got to act quick. Get any inkland from where 440 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna go with this. 441 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: Yes, So again in reading the probab will cause outter David, 442 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 3: which I did right before I came onto your show, 443 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 3: Like the statement kind of says it all to the police. 444 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 3: And here's what Kurt Anderson told the police, said that 445 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 3: he believed he was protecting himself and his wife from 446 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 3: people that were coming inside. So we fired the one 447 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: shot and quickly after seeing the people outside. He didn't 448 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 3: announce himself, but I think that's what his defense is 449 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 3: going to be, is that he believed he was in danger. 450 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 3: He heard something at the door which was getting more 451 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 3: and more louder, more aggressive, and he thought he was 452 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: in danger, so we fired that shot. 453 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: What happens next procedurally. 454 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: So Friday they have the initial hearing, and at the 455 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: hearing they're going to review the bond. Right now, Anderson 456 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 3: is sitting in jail without any bond, but that could 457 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 3: be up for review as the judge looks at this 458 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 3: case and considers whether he's a flight risk or not. 459 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: This is going to be a fascinating case because there 460 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: appears to be this sort of gray area. Clearly, if 461 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: someone has entered your home or is in the process 462 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: of entering your home. You basically got, you know, carbe 463 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: blanche to defend yourself. But this porch area right curdling. 464 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: I think is the is the technical language for a 465 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: lot of this area? Like does it apply? And I 466 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: think this is going to be fasting to see how 467 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: guy Relford handles this from a defense perspective, and then 468 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: how the prosecution responds to that. 469 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, real quick, two bits of evidence that I kind 470 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 3: of took away as big things I don't believe. And 471 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 3: this is judging reading the probable cause after David again 472 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 3: that Kurt Anderson is lying because the phone call that 473 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 3: he made is kind of like minutes before the phone 474 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: call that Mauricio made for his wife. So everything lines 475 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: up there, all. 476 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: Talking about the call after the shooting had happened. 477 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry, the call after the shooting. Also, they 478 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 3: checked Mauricio's phone, the cops did, and the GPS address 479 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 3: that he was taken to lines up with the address 480 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: that he arrived at. So everything lines up. I don't 481 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: think anything's nefarious in terms of anybody lying here. I 482 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 3: just it's really going to come down to intent, right, 483 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 3: did he intend to just arbitrarily kill somebody, or did 484 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: he believe he was in danger. 485 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: So one thing that I think we need to clarify 486 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: again though, because I think this may end up being 487 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: important in the whole thing. The individual who's home he 488 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: felt that it was being intered. There was no call 489 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: from him to nine one one during this process, right 490 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: like people are are you know, entering my home and 491 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: words he was breaking my home. None of that was 492 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: taking place. 493 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, he got nervous and heard a commotion outside. He 494 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: woke up at six point fifty one minute later. One 495 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: minute later he fired a single shot through the door. 496 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: Okay, real quick, and I want and then we'll let 497 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: you go. Ryan Hedrick done a phenomenal job kind of 498 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: getting us updated on the you know, the nuts and 499 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: bolts of what's going on and the charges. In this case, 500 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: voluntary manslaughter seems like a strong charge for a guy 501 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: who clearly that didn't go to bed that night. I 502 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: don't think anybody thinks the guy went to bed that 503 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: night going hey, I'm gonna shoot somebody in the morning. 504 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: This seems like a very and maybe the goals to 505 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: get some sort of plea deal. I don't know, but 506 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: that just seemed like a very strong charge. For something 507 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: that this guy, or you think he was in the 508 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: right or the wrong, didn't ask for this to be 509 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: put upon him, right right? 510 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 3: I you know it's a level two felony, and the 511 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: prosecutor refused to answer how much time he could get. 512 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 3: Maybe the intent is to charge up so we could 513 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: plead down. I know a lot of prosecutors do that. 514 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: Well, I'm wondering are there any lawmakers or advocacy groups 515 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: that are trying to use this to change the current law. 516 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. I'm not aware of any. 517 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 3: I do know there was a lot of pressure on 518 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 3: this prosecutor leading up to these charges. For a week, 519 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 3: they stood outside of his office screaming and hollering for 520 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: justice to be done in their eyes. And then the 521 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: attorney for this family held a press conference last week 522 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: and then Kent Eastwood said, I've got some sort of 523 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: family emergency. On Friday, when we expected things to happen, 524 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: this shook out Monday, culminating in the voluntary manslaughter charge. 525 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 2: How are the residents of Whitestown responding to this coverage. 526 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 3: They're shaken. It does not happen. My church is in Whitestown. 527 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: They're talking about this at my church on Sunday. This 528 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: does not happen. The original call came in as a 529 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 3: home invasion and people have emailed the WIBC newsroom to 530 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 3: have us retract that, but we can't because that's the 531 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 3: call that the Whitestown Police sent out. Captain John Yurkosh 532 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 3: said it was a home invasion call in progress. That's 533 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 3: how they responded. That's why they got so much law 534 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 3: enforcement to that address in such a quick amount of 535 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: time on November fifth. 536 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: Is there any part of this that is still under investigation. 537 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: No. 538 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: I just think they have the crime scene of technicians, 539 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 3: They have all the evidence they need. I think the 540 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: only thing under investigation is the motive. Why did this 541 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 3: guy fire a single shot through the door without saying 542 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 3: I think my home's in trouble, who's out there? Whatever 543 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 3: effort that you need to make to tell somebody to 544 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: get the heck away from your front door. 545 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think they're going to try to paint 546 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: him as a sympathetic character because it's easy for us 547 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: to sit here and go, well, why didn't you do this? 548 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: Why didn't you do that? You have no idea how 549 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: you'd respond If that's happening until you're in that that moment, 550 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: and I think that's going to be Guy Ralford's job. 551 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: Ryan Hendrick one of the best in the business. WIBC newsroom, 552 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: Thank you my friend. 553 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: Thanks Bud. 554 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC. 555 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: So, lots of people hitting the road for Turkey Day, 556 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: that's true. 557 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: So all the commercial flight restrictions at the forty different 558 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: airports that were imposed during the government shut down there 559 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: now open again. They've been removed. Travelers can move about 560 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: the country as they please. Triple A projecting eighty two 561 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: million Americans are going to travel for Thanksgiving. 562 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: Oh, it is. 563 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: The busiest holiday travel period. Nearly ninety percent of the 564 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: people will be traveling. 565 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: By car, So it's basically. 566 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: Seventy three million people on the road. 567 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: So it's basically a fourth of the country travels for Thanksgiving. 568 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: You give or take right, right, and of those traveling, 569 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: ninety percent you said are doing it by automobile. 570 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: Seventy three million people. 571 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: Okay. Traveling though is a bit deceptive, Like if you're 572 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, I live in Brownsburg, if I went to 573 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: someone's house in amon that's traveling, right. It is we 574 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: don't think of it over the river and through the woods. 575 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: Right, But that's so are you counting that or not? 576 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: Well, that's my question. 577 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: I think that counts as traveling because you're leaving your house. 578 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean technically, if I walk across the lawn to 579 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: my dad's house, I've traveled, right. 580 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: If you're traveling by foot, that would be the Rob 581 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 2: Kendall way, wouldn't it. We're saving money this year now. 582 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: I do have a question about the air the air airlines. 583 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: This is your your game, because I don't fly right. 584 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: You know, when you're like on the road and you 585 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: get in that you know, all cars must merge into 586 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: one lane, lane closed ahead and the traffic gets way 587 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: backed up. Well, then you reach a point where you're 588 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: just crawling. But eventually then you reach the point in 589 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: the road where everything opens up again and then it 590 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: came back to normal. Is that the way the airplanes 591 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: are working with the delays, Like, oh, there's all this backup, 592 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: but after a day or two, Hey, everything's back to 593 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: normal because all the lanes have opened up. Or we 594 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: still seeing havoc a week later because of the government shutdown. 595 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: Well they're saying that, yeah, it's still gonna be a 596 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: little slow rolling things back to normal. But they do 597 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: have that backup on the you know when they're taken off. 598 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 2: The talk about, well the jets will line up, you know, 599 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: on the tarmac so that they can take off. 600 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, now, if I wanted to get on 601 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: a flight, am I back to business as normal or 602 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: business as usual or they saying, hey, you still have 603 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: to you still were a week behind. 604 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: Because of the I don't think it's going to be 605 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: that bad because of the shutdown. It's gonna be bad 606 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: because there's so many people traveling. That's what the delays 607 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: are going to be. 608 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: Sure. 609 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 2: It's more of a delay getting through TSAH than the planes. 610 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: Six million people expected to fly, Okay, I have a 611 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: two percent increase from last year. 612 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: By the way, I have to ask you a question, 613 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: and I'm sure we're gonna come off very old having 614 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: asked this. What is six to seven? 615 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: It's it's a phrase the kids are using, But what's 616 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: it mean? It doesn't mean anything. 617 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 5: Apparently it's a reference to a British gang and I 618 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 5: guess they say six to seven. 619 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: But here it means that there's not like the average 620 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: person doesn't know what it means. Is what you're saying, 621 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: there's no deep there's. 622 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: No deep meaning to it. The Tippy Canoe County Sheriff's 623 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: Office they posted a video saying that there was going 624 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 2: to be a new law called Ordnance sixty seven, and 625 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: they were declaring the phrase six to seven illegal to 626 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: use except for in math problems. And then they went 627 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: to some schools and they were they were enforcing the 628 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: new ordinance and they were handing out fake tickets to students. 629 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 2: Uh huh, have a little fun with it. Here's a 630 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: hot take for you. I'm fine with six seven. It's 631 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: something that any kid can do. It's non offensive and 632 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean anything, so have at it. 633 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: But I don't understand why it's a thing. 634 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: Why did everybody latch onto. 635 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: It like there's no meaning to any of it? 636 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: Correct? Right? Yeah? The guy don't like I said, it's 637 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: just something that anybody can do. 638 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: Huh. So, so I didn't miss out on anything. 639 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: You could say it right now if you want, huh, 640 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: you have to do the hands though, Well. 641 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: I was worried because I see people put you wouldn't 642 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: even have to do the hands. 643 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: Oh, kind of like you're weighing something six to seven? 644 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: Is that what they do when they say six seven? Yeah, 645 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: the children move their hands back and forth. Yes, this 646 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: is the most stupid thing ever. I was nervous about 647 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: even commenting on anything with the phrase on because I thought, well, 648 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: maybe it's some super hidden, racist, homophobic whatever thing I'm gonna. 649 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: Get in trouble, not that I'm aware of em. 650 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: In engaging and you're telling me there's just nothing to it. 651 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 2: Correct. Okay, yeah, so have at it. Do it, do 652 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: it right now, start doing around the house. I say 653 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: it to your wife. 654 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: I just I still don't know. There must have been something. 655 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: I feel like there just must have been something that 656 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: I missed. But that's where we're at in our society. 657 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: Things just become a phrase. 658 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: What was it? Dictionary dot Com declared it the word 659 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: of the year for twenty twenty five. 660 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: keV asked me, he was like, back in the Stone 661 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: Age when you were in high school room, what was 662 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: the phrase the kids were saying at the time. I 663 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: don't I don't remember any phrases, like I don't remember 664 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: any hand signs. 665 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 5: And he used to mimic like wwe oh, yeah, that 666 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 5: was the thing. 667 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: The wrestlers were big back then, but people were like 668 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: walking down the hall doing crotch chops like degeneration X 669 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: or you know, asking people if they smelled what they're cooking, 670 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, like the rocks. 671 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 5: You know. 672 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: I grew up in the eighties, so there's all sorts 673 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: of slang from the eighties, like what gag me with 674 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: the spoon? And what you guys haven't heard that? 675 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 5: Never? 676 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: Can you a bunga? No, no, no, come back to 677 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: gag me with the spoon. I want to know more 678 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: about that. 679 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: The whole valley girl speak. 680 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: No, I have no idea, tell me, tell me. Now 681 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: checked this into my veins. It was so curious. 682 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: If you didn't like something, you say, oh, gag me. 683 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: Grody, kind of boring. Yeah, chat perked up to something 684 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: wrong with I was curious. 685 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: It's Kennelly Casey, It's ninety three w iv c H