1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Okay, Casey, let me like throw out a hypothetical for you. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I like that. Yeah, by the way, it's 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Kennley Casey show. I'm rob it's Casey. Imagine you pissed 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: off not only all of your friends, but almost every 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: single one of their friends. And then, yeah, not too 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: far into the future, you really need some stuff. Yeah, 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: what do you do? 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: Try to make up? I guess, But how you apologize? 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: I'm really sorry about that. 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: Like, if you spent need something, you spent a whole 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: year making everybody angry at you, in some cases going 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: out of your way to do that, all of its 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: self inflicted. By the way, right, nothing goes beyond your control. 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: And now you have to come back in front of 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: them and tell them about all the stuff you want 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: them to do for you. 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: I made a mistake. I've learned my lesson. I really 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: want to work together. I'm sorry. 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: That is where the governor is tonight at the State 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: of the State speech. Yeah, and we'll get into this 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: with Jim Merritt coming up in a little bit, because 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: obviously he saw thirty of these during his time in 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: the Indiana Senate. I don't know what Braun can possibly 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: say or do, because when you couple the fact that 25 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: he failed so spectacularly with his signature issue, which was 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: property taxes, and not only did he fail, he let 27 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: everybody down by not fighting and following through on the 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: promises that he made. So you've already enraged the populace 29 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: and in the process of enraging the populace, because the 30 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: property tax bill is going to do next to nothing 31 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: for homeowners, especially over time as these other tax increases 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: get enacted that are in that bill, but then to 33 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: book in the year. He essentially tells the Senate, I'm 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: going to primary all of you people if you don't 35 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: do what I want to do on redistricting, which now 36 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: is starting to look more and more on redistricting like 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: that was all about not wanting to lose federal funding 38 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: and permitting for the mid state quardal Yeah, for his 39 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: precious little road, that multi billion dollar attempt to connect 40 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: I sixty four to sixty nine, which just conveniently probably 41 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: going to make him a gajillion dollars with his distribution company. 42 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: This guy is hated by everyone and tonight and by 43 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: the way, he has the personality and the charisma of 44 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: a Nat and now he's got to go up in 45 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: front of the whole state tonight and tell us, how 46 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: lie to us about how great everything is, lie to 47 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: us about what a great job he did in your 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: one and now he's going to tell these senators, hey, 49 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: please help me do some more stuff. 50 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: Right. So, last year, you know, he was sworn in 51 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: his governor. I'm January thirteenth, so we're looking at exactly 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: a year. And when he gave these State of the 53 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: State speech last year, he said the state was strong. 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: And I'm happy to say with all those travels, the 55 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,559 Speaker 1: state of the state. 56 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: Is strong because Hoosiers are strong. Okay, So how about now, 57 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: how what does he say? He's going to say the 58 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: state is strong, because that's what they always say. 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: But I mean, when you look at this first year, 60 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: so what is the what are the cornerstones of his 61 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: first year? Well, first of all, he failed on property taxes. 62 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: That bill is going to do nothing to address the 63 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: core issues of why property taxes are out of control, 64 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: which are assessments. You'll get some pitily two or three 65 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: hundred dollars back, which is going to be offset by 66 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: assessments continuing to go up. A huge portion of school 67 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: districts across the state of Indiana are going to flood 68 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: the ballot box with referendums, which will offset the savings anyway, 69 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: even if there weren't assessments continuing to rise. Then on 70 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: top of that, by twenty twenty seven, you're going to 71 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: start seeing these local governments do these income tax increases, 72 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: So that's an f Then he passes this utility bill 73 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: after saying I'm going to prevent utility bills from going up, 74 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: which essentially allows these utility companies to play doctor Frankenstein 75 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: with this unproven SMR technology in which they're going to 76 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: get eighty percent of whatever they put into this back, 77 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: whether it works for you or not, and then you're 78 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: going to pay higher bills. So that was awful. He 79 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: did nothing with the IEDC. He did this audit which 80 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: shows the Indian Economic Development Corporation is totally corrupt. It's 81 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: handing out dollars to god knows who in some cases, 82 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: and the dollars you can trace a whole bunch of 83 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: them are being doled out by people to companies that 84 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: are connected to those people. He's done nothing with that. 85 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: Him firing that board was a joke because the people 86 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: he put in there are still doing much of the 87 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: exact same stuff. He has no answer on these data centers. 88 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: He appears to be all in on those. There's not 89 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: a single solitary set of espoused values, confirmed value that's 90 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: coming out of these other than it's gonna make He's 91 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: gonna make rich people really richer, and it's going to 92 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: cost us more money through enhance utility bills. Oh and 93 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: by the way, they're getting a gajillion dollars from the 94 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: Holy corrupt iedc That was Oh and then the kicker 95 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: to pay the bills. Last year, Braun signed off on 96 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: raising taxes by a billion dollars. 97 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: Correct. 98 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Those were the highlights of year one from the Braun administration. 99 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: And you might recall hearing all about redistricting in his 100 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: State of This Date address last year. Oh wait, no, no, 101 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: you didn't hear anything about that, but they sure did 102 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: spend a lot of time on it. 103 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: So that was year one for Mike Braun. There's nothing 104 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: that has been put forward in year two that you 105 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: would say this is going to make things on those issues, 106 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: that's going to make things better. There's there's absolutely nothing. 107 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: He's not even trying at this point and I think 108 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: one of the big I guess problems Braun has. And 109 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: I remember the last meeting I had with Braun as 110 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: I walked out of that room after begging him not 111 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: to sign that property tax bill, and everything I told 112 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: him was going to happen has happened since he did 113 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: it is I thought to myself, Thank goodness, I don't 114 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: have to be around this guy anymore, because he is 115 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: so weird, and he is so awkward, and he's so 116 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: just uncharismatic. It is like if you got in a 117 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: conversation with Glue, that would be more entertaining than trying 118 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: to carry on a conversation with Braun. And so the 119 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: problem is, unlike a Mitch Daniels, who in the face 120 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: of crisis, you could send him out there and he's 121 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: gonna you know, he's going to deliver, right, He's going 122 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: to connect, he's going to resonate with people and with lawmakers, 123 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: Braun doesn't have that. Nobody likes him, everybody's pissed off 124 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: at him, and he doesn't have the skills set to 125 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: change people's minds just by your cult of personality or 126 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: will or force. 127 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: So he has to go through the three step process 128 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: is that what you're saying. Acknowledge the mistake, apologize and 129 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: change behavior. 130 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, for all these people, right, 131 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: because what do I say? When the property text bill 132 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: went down? I said, are these people? I said, I'm done, 133 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: y'all can handle it going far? And all this we 134 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: got this? How's it going right? 135 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: There's an ace up the sleeve? Right? 136 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 137 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: I said we were told. 138 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: I said, y'all are gonna have somebody else to bitch 139 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: at this year because all I got for trying to help, 140 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: all I got forgetting further than anybody had gotten in 141 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: twenty years on property taxes was grief from people. So 142 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: I said, I'm done. And all these conservativeile Oh, we're 143 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: meeting with him. He's telling us that there's more to come. 144 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: It's year two. We're coming back for more ace up 145 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: the sleeve. Sure, how's that going right? 146 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: Where's that bill? 147 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: I want all those people to get bitched at this 148 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: year because they said they had it and it was fine. 149 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: So for once, people can't blame me. I'm sorry, I tried, 150 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I tried to help. I should have never 151 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: done it, and now it's somebody else's problem. Well, for 152 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: all of. 153 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: These people that he's saying he's gonna primary. Do you 154 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: think they're scared? Are they nervous? I mean he couldn't 155 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: even get his own priority done. 156 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: No, they don't know. It's a it's e's of It's 157 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: a feckless empty threat from him. There is zero chance 158 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: that the overwhelming majority of those senators that are up 159 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: this year are not going to get re elected. Bron 160 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: has no juice. They have horrible candidate recruitment. They can 161 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: send Scott Presler, Pessler, Presler, Pessner, whatever his name is 162 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: out here. It ain't going to make one damn bit 163 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: of difference because this I mean, first of all, at 164 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: the redistricting, these guys were doing what their constituents wanted. 165 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: It's why they voted it down. But second of all, 166 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: you have to you would have to mobilize across the 167 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: state and the things that these people are running on 168 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: which they think redistricting is this magic bullet. 169 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: It is not. 170 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: If you're willing to talk about property taxes, if you're 171 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: willing to talk about utility bills, if you're willing to 172 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: talk about the IEDC, that might get some people's attention, 173 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: but simply thinking because you didn't do what Trump wanted 174 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: when the majority of people didn't want them to do 175 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: what Trump wanted. That's not going to solve anything. Did 176 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: you see that. 177 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: He did put out a tweet yesterday he said data 178 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: centers are important for bringing high paying jobs to Indiana, 179 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: but they can't be allowed to pass the financial burden 180 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: of their electricity costs onto hoosiers. And he's piggybacking off 181 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: of something Donald Trump had said. 182 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: But the problem is your IEDC, sir, of which you 183 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: are the head, as the governor of Indiana, continues to 184 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: and the first action of your new IEDC board was 185 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: to throw huge financial incentives at these companies coming to Indiana. 186 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: Look if these data centers were to come to these 187 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: communities and say we are we need the resources. The 188 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: data centers need us more than we need them. That's 189 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: the reality of this. The data centers need Indiana more 190 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: than Indiana needs the data centers. And if they were 191 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: to come here and say, we're building a billion dollar 192 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: building and from day one we're hanging our full three 193 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: percent freight and we are not asking for any giveaway 194 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: incentives from the IDEC, that's a different conversation. Then I 195 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: think people get more open to the idea of do 196 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: I have to pay more and utility bills? But we're 197 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: all doing this right, Like all of these things are 198 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: easier to stomach, to understand, to have a conversation about. 199 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: But you're giving away the farm to these people who 200 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: would probably come here regardless because they need us in 201 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: the natural resources that we have. 202 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: So tonight, when he's giving that speech, who will he 203 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: be talking to? Will he be talking directly to Hoosiers 204 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: or will he be talking to the legislators. 205 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: Well, he's going to probably just be talking to his 206 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: wife and his rich connected donor friends, because that's the 207 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: only person that's going to be listening to this, right, 208 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: But if you would like to hear Braun lie out 209 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: of his ass for thirty minutes, we will be airing 210 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: the speech tonight at seven thirty. I