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Speaker 1: get with Matt in terms of his excitement level for

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Speaker 1: this combine, and the story lies above and beyond just

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Speaker 1: the Colts. We'll do it on the other side. Here

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Speaker 1: you're listening to a quarrying company from the Indiana Convention Center,

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine variation on ninety three five and one oh

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Speaker 1: seven to five of the fan. Look at Eddie spinning

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Speaker 1: the hits. One of the best, one of the best,

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Speaker 1: little modern English, one of the great nights seeing them

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Speaker 1: at the high five couple of years ago. Indiana Convention

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Speaker 1: Center is where we are. It is the NFL Combine,

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Speaker 1: and each and every time that we come to the combine,

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Speaker 1: now this is always the fun challenge that we run

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Speaker 1: into of does the guest Mike work or not so?

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Speaker 1: Matt Verdram. We're going to test it here real quick.

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Speaker 4: I hope it works all right. Good, Well, that's a win.

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Speaker 1: That is a win. Matt vert Ram of SI is here,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm always interested in your perspective on this.

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Speaker 1: We get very caught up, obviously speaking in the NFL

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Speaker 1: Combine just from the Colts angle, and with no first

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Speaker 1: round pick for the Colts this year, that changes a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Clearly, there's still an Indiana tie with Fernanda

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Speaker 1: Mendoza going number one, presumably overall to the Raiders. Outside

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Speaker 1: of that, what are the big storylines here?

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Speaker 4: So I think, look, this class is kind of seen

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Speaker 4: is not a great class because of the quarterbacks, because

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Speaker 4: outside of Mendoza, I don't know the namebody goes in

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Speaker 4: the first. Maybe we get Ty Simpson to going the first.

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Speaker 4: But I actually think if you talk to people in

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Speaker 4: the league, they'll tell you it's not maybe a quarterback class,

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Speaker 4: but it's a deep class. And that's where I'm interested in.

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Speaker 4: The receivers. Carnel Tate, Jordan Tyson, McKayle Lemon, Denzel Boston,

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Speaker 4: Casey conception on like where do they end up ranking

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Speaker 4: by the time we walk out of here. I think

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Speaker 4: there's an idea that Tate and Lemon are probably the

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Speaker 4: top two guys. Tyson would be, but the medical scary.

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Speaker 4: And then it's also to like these non premium positions

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Speaker 4: that have really big time stars. Caleb Downs, the safety

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Speaker 4: who I think a lot of people film might be

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Speaker 4: the best player in this draft. Jeremiah Love notre dame

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Speaker 4: back who if you don't take him, if you're a

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Speaker 4: running back needy team, you don't take him, you might

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Speaker 4: be waiting in a third round, like there is nobody

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Speaker 4: behind him. But he might also be the best player

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Speaker 4: in this draft, probably the best offensive player in this draft.

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Speaker 4: Just throwing out position. Can he be a Jeremiah Love?

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Speaker 4: Can Can he be a and maybe he wasn't college?

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Speaker 4: And I'm gonna say Jacoyo Moron, which would not be

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Speaker 4: the first time. Can he be an out of the

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Speaker 4: backfield receiving type back this year, the Fighting Irish hoosed

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Speaker 4: him a lot on deeper routes. They weren't just swinging

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Speaker 4: him out and throwing a little you know, check down

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Speaker 4: or a screen. They were actually running routes with him

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Speaker 4: and it was working. So I think I think they

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Speaker 4: would try to do that whoever drafts him. I think

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Speaker 4: that would be part of the package. I see him

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Speaker 4: a lot as a Bejon Robinson type, a guy who

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Speaker 4: it's like, listen, you.

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Speaker 1: Can run your offense, put him wherever you need to

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Speaker 1: put him, right. Yeah, you could.

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Speaker 4: Slot him out, you could put him out well. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think you know, when you look at whom my

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Speaker 4: draft him, he's probably gonna be a top ten pick.

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Speaker 4: You'd never know. I mean, things changed, But the Saints

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Speaker 4: are a team Okay, Kellen Moore, if he goes there,

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Speaker 4: are they going to move him around? Are they going

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Speaker 4: to utilize him in all kinds of packages? If the

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Speaker 4: Chiefs take him with Andy Reid, I would imagine he

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Speaker 4: will be everywhere in their offense. Look, I think he

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Speaker 4: is the ultimate offensive weapon. He and Tate, in my opinion,

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Speaker 4: of the best offensive weapons in this draft. And we

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Speaker 4: can get into McKayle. I'm in talk about some of

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Speaker 4: the other series I mentioned. Those two guys I think

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Speaker 4: are probably in a class of the wrong.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was talking Matt verder Rams, my guest

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Speaker 1: here from SI Matt. I was talking about how the

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Speaker 1: NFL can be a copycat league. Right, So, in the

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Speaker 1: years that you've covered the combine, I'm curious of this.

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Speaker 1: Give me the other than you know, quarterback is the

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Speaker 1: obvious answer here, Okay, but a two part question, the

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Speaker 1: first being give me the position that has most consistently

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Speaker 1: been coveted year in a year out, regardless of whatever

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Speaker 1: playing style cycle we're in in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Tackle offensive tackle, Because I think teams have recognized the fact,

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Speaker 4: do you didn't even have a great quarterback If you

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Speaker 4: can't block, it doesn't matter I mean, look at Burrow.

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Speaker 4: Burrow has just gotten the hell beat out of him

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Speaker 4: because they can't block anybody. You know, when mahomes have

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Speaker 4: gone to the Super Bowl and loss, why have they lost?

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Speaker 4: They can't block. And I think the tackles. Look if

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Speaker 4: you if you want guards and centers, I mean, everybody

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Speaker 4: wants interior help. But you can kind of you can

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Speaker 4: mitigate some of that. A we're gonna roll guys out,

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Speaker 4: We're gonna you know, we're gonna pinch down and sidely

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Speaker 4: the tackles on an island. If you have bad tackles,

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Speaker 4: sure yeah you can chip. But at some point it's

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Speaker 4: coming home to rust. You're just you're gonna get smoked

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Speaker 4: off that edge. I mean, it's it's gonna happen. And

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Speaker 4: I think no matter what kind of team you are,

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Speaker 4: run first, pass first, however you may be your quarterback's mobile,

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Speaker 4: he's imblem. If you don't have that tackle, you're you're

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Speaker 4: in deep. And so I think that's why if you

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Speaker 4: look at the last ten drafts, every year there's five

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Speaker 4: six tackles going in the first round. You just you

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Speaker 4: need those guys. And I think this year again, you're

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Speaker 4: probably gonna happen or half dozen tackles are probably go

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Speaker 4: in the first round.

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Speaker 1: Okay, give me the position that you have seen combine

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Speaker 1: or periods where it was the it position that everybody

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Speaker 1: now was rediscovering in the NFL that now has gone

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Speaker 1: back into being less relevant.

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Speaker 4: So I think the funny thing is, I think the

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Speaker 4: opposite of that is running back, where it was like

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Speaker 4: that like for years, suddenly just didn't matter, right, Like

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Speaker 4: every every guy who has a spreadsheet and watches football

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Speaker 4: through a spreadsheet was like, running backs don't matter. Then

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, actually they do. Actually, it really

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Speaker 4: does matter if the guy can hit a hole or

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Speaker 4: he runs into his centers for end and gets negative

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Speaker 4: two yards. I think the flip side of that now

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Speaker 4: is I think for a while, like tight end seemed

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Speaker 4: to be this like all in comes and gotta get

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Speaker 4: a pass catching tight end, gotta have that got at

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Speaker 4: And now it's almost like teams want blocking tight end.

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Speaker 4: So like the Charlie Holders of the world is going

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Speaker 4: to be a phraging here. If you have the pass

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Speaker 4: catching tight end, that's that's great luxury, and it's you know,

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Speaker 4: a guy like Tyler Warren, a guy like brock Bowers.

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Speaker 4: Those guys are special players. But I think for a

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Speaker 4: while there, when Belichick started with that two tight end

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Speaker 4: with her, that was like the thing everybody had, Eric

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Speaker 4: Ebron and Pettigrew and all these guys. I think, now, sure,

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Speaker 4: you want, you'd love to have a pass catching tight

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Speaker 4: you love to have Trey McBride in your team, But

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Speaker 4: I think there's more thought now to going twelve and

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Speaker 4: thirteen personnel where you have the guy who also can

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Speaker 4: really block. I think that guy's almost become as valuable

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Speaker 4: in a lot of ways as the a good pass

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Speaker 4: catching tight end.

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Speaker 1: When again, Matt verdi Ram is my guest here we're

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Speaker 1: at the NFL Combine, Indiana Convention Center. I was talking

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Speaker 1: about this to start off the show. Curious your thoughts

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Speaker 1: from an outside Indianapolis vantage point. I know that he

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Speaker 1: has injury Daniel Jones, and I know that there is

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Speaker 1: the foregone conclusion that it's just this automatic renewal of

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Speaker 1: the vows between the Colts and Daniel Jones. But did

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold and what he was able to do with

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Speaker 1: Seattle increase the intrigue or the potential number of suitors

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Speaker 1: that go after Jones even with the Achilles potentially.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think if you're the Colts, you have to

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Speaker 4: ask yourself the question of how do you go about

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Speaker 4: this entire offseason because you have Alec Pierce's free agent.

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Speaker 4: There have been a bunch of reports. I don't want

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Speaker 4: to let him out the building, even if it means

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Speaker 4: cutting Pittman. You've got Braden Smith. There's a guy who's

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Speaker 4: a really quality tax solid player yet right, and then

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Speaker 4: you have Jones. Well, obviously, like tagging Jones would be

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Speaker 4: a substantial amount of me.

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Speaker 1: We're talking out forty seven right now, So I mean

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Speaker 1: it's I mean, you increase his market What would you

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Speaker 1: say his market value is realistically thirty two? I think

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Speaker 1: thirty's right, So you won fifty higher if you tag

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Speaker 1: him for like the.

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Speaker 4: Questions are the Colts, He's assign him for like two

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Speaker 4: and sixty like because that way you you lessen the

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Speaker 4: cap hit and it gives you more flexibility. Like you

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Speaker 4: used to say, look, we'll just give you two and

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Speaker 4: sixty and we'll guarantee you what the tag is. But

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Speaker 4: it's over two years now. Maybe he would sit there

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Speaker 4: and say I'd rather just play on the tag. But

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Speaker 4: then if you come back and you're not healthier, and

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Speaker 4: then you're losing out on money anyway, Like I I

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Speaker 4: think the Colts after trading those two first round picks

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Speaker 4: or Sauce Gardner, like you're in at this point, You're

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Speaker 4: in on him, like you he cannot get out of

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Speaker 4: the building.

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Speaker 1: Who are they going to go?

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Speaker 4: It's not Anthony Richardson, right, I mean it's not right.

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Speaker 1: So Okay, Richardson's value is what negligible?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Like with they get more than a

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Speaker 4: Day three pick for him? I kicked around probably yeah,

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Speaker 4: maybe like fifth sixth rounds. I got Emil to talk

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Speaker 4: about Cantina. Yeah, maybe that that, you know what, that's valuable?

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Speaker 4: I mean it is as far as I'm concerned, it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you can sit there for the

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Speaker 4: Colts and market him as a trade for what I mean,

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Speaker 4: he he hasn't played very much. When he's played, he's

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Speaker 4: gotten hurt when he's played.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't been good.

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Speaker 4: Like to look theah, the tools are great, but like

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Speaker 4: at some point it's got to mean something.

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Speaker 1: What's the what's your perception or the national perception of

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard? I think most people feel like he is

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Speaker 1: a smart GM. My personal opinion is I think at

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Speaker 1: times he's been a little bit I don't have conservatives,

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Speaker 1: right word, because his past year he wasn't conservative. This

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Speaker 1: past year they trade two first round picks for sauce

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Speaker 1: Gard and it was shocking. And they've made moves like

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Speaker 1: Buckner and stuff like that. But it feels like there's

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Speaker 1: been times.

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Speaker 4: They've sat on cap space and they've they've had you know,

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Speaker 4: it feels like the last you know, if there are

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Speaker 4: a few years there were they really needed a receiver,

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Speaker 4: they would not spend the money. I think most people

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Speaker 4: feel like Ballard is a good GM. But also at

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Speaker 4: some point too this idea of like, well what happened

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Speaker 4: to Andrew Locke. It's stunned the franchise and what are

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Speaker 4: you gonna do?

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Speaker 1: I mean that was almost a decade ago, correct, Like

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean literally every team now is with

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Speaker 1: a different quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody cares. I don't care that Andrew look retired

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Speaker 4: eight years ago.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 4: You need to figure out.

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Speaker 1: The quartera well. And the most important decision that he

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Speaker 1: had to make as a general manager, which he kicked

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Speaker 1: the canon for several years, was a huge swing in

648
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Speaker 1: the mess.

649
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 4: Yes, right, I mean I think it's a fair look.

650
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Speaker 4: In a lot of cities, he would have been fired

651
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 4: a lot of cities, Like I'm in New Yorker. Okay,

652
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 4: if he does that in New York, He's gone, like

653
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 4: there is a like a mutiny of the fan base, right,

654
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: I mean, there's just no way around it. Okay, he

655
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 4: does it in Philadelphia, he might have flewed the country.

656
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's you know, it's a difference of opinion.

657
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 4: I think he's a solid GM, but there's no way

658
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 4: around the fact that, like they have whiffed a quarter

659
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 4: then they fall into sing with Jones.

660
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: So okay, But my thing is this Matt now, and

661
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be overly contrarian, but and I

662
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: know Andrew Luck was a great quarterback, okay, but but

663
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: what was interesting to me is whenever I asked people

664
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: what made Andrew Luck a great quarterback, no one could

665
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: definitively pinpoint what it was. It was like, well, he

666
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: has an hit factor, what's the it factor? He's just special?

667
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: What makes him special? His hit factor?

668
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 5: But but what but you know what I mean? And

669
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 5: with Ballard there, I mean it's been a.

670
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Speaker 1: Decade, you've won a playoff game, you've yet to win

671
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: a divisional title, and and yet because he is still

672
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: allegedly perceived league wide as a promising general manager, part

673
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Speaker 1: of me wonders if that's not because he's been given

674
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt, because there is the perception that

675
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: the owner might have been handcuffing what he could do.

676
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: No, I think I think some of that's true. Look,

677
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 4: I think people also feel like Ballard had a situation

678
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 4: fall on his lap that was a disaster, and then

679
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 4: it's like, Okay, you get a couple of years of

680
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 4: grace with that, and then you know they draft Richardson.

681
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: It's like, well, you got to give him time to develop.

682
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 4: And it's just this always just like right, they're saying, right,

683
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: It's like, well, at some point, you just win a game.

684
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: Just win.

685
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: I mean, like, at some point, can you just do anything?

686
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: Like?

687
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 4: I mean, like I like Shange Stike and I think

688
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 4: it's a very good coach. I think I think change

689
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: Styke and can really coach. I'm also the kind of

690
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: person that'll sit there and say, look, man, if they

691
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 4: go like seven to ten this year, you don't win

692
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 4: a game. This is a National Football League. This isn't

693
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: this isn't JV High school.

694
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: You think of the Colts if you were to do

695
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: word Association. If we're gonna do word Association, and I

696
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: say to you Kansas City Chiefs, you know you probably

697
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: immediately think like Buffalo Bills. Right if I say you know,

698
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks and you're like La Rams. Right. So when

699
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: I say Indianapolis Colts.

700
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 4: The Atlanta Falcons like this talent and I like to coach,

701
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 4: but the results have to start to death be there,

702
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 4: like at some point, right like you'll get the Falcons

703
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 4: go hey, Mandrake Lundon, Kyle Pitts, b Jeon Robinson, second

704
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 4: league in sacks, I say, great, how many.

705
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: Games you went?

706
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 4: Right? The games did you win?

707
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: Oh? We won eight? Well, who cares?

708
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: I don't care. So you did nothing right? Right, Like, well,

709
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 4: you know what we gotta give Michael Pennix. How much

710
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 4: was he need a decade? Like he's like twenty seven

711
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 4: years old. You gotta win.

712
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care.

713
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: It's you know when you talk, you talking about you know,

714
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 4: cheese bells, right, Like they have the advantage of having

715
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks that they have Okay, fine, but they had

716
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: like those guys developed, they continue to get better. Now

717
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 4: they're like the ultimate example. I mean, they're great players.

718
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 4: But even even a team like Seattle. Okay, look at Seattle.

719
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: They went out and they had Russ. They developed him.

720
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 4: He had a great career there. Then they were like,

721
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: all right, it's time. Like whatever, they both felt it

722
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: was time. They go to Gino. A lot of people

723
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 4: ast her thought it was a disaster for them to

724
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 4: trade Geno Smith. Now again, we're trading Geno Smith because

725
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 4: we're not gonna win, right, which they knew their ceiling, right,

726
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 4: they knew their sealing getting better than this right with

727
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 4: Gino Smith. So okay, Sam Donald, they went and got

728
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 4: Sam Donald because they know how Like so Clint Kubiak

729
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 4: head coached in San Francisco with Shanahan, Well, guess well

730
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 4: was in San Francisco with them, Well, Donald was Donald

731
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 4: was the backup there. They knew how Donald was coach there.

732
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 4: They knew how he was coached with Kevin O'Connell of Minnesota.

733
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 4: So they're like, yeah, we're willing to take the bet

734
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 4: that he's going to be better than Geno Smith. And

735
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: it worked well, Like if that hadn't worked, then they

736
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: went eight to nine. The idea of just like, well,

737
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 4: just give him a pass and just keep going like

738
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 4: that's not this isn't the NBA were like the six

739
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: Ers tank for a decade and it's just like, fine,

740
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 4: that's not how this work. You have to win at

741
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: some point, and the teams like the Colts the Falcons,

742
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: you've got talent, but if that doesn't translate, then eventually

743
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 4: something has to change.

744
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: Give me the quarterback ceiling. When you think of Matt Verderan,

745
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: my guest here with the NFL combine Fernanda Mendoza, his

746
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: ceiling is what quarterback?

747
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 4: It's tough, like a lot of people have said Jared

748
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 4: Goff and I kind of pushed back on that because

749
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 4: he's more he I think the arm talent's similar, but

750
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 4: he's a lot more mobile. Again more I mean Cousin's

751
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 4: a statue is more mobile. But yeah, like like if

752
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 4: you had a mobile version of those guys, then that's

753
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: probably fair. Like could he be like he does stay

754
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 4: the arm talent of Herbert, but I don't know, could

755
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: he be a better overall quarterback than justin Herbert? It's

756
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 4: something maybe right like again talk about winning justin.

757
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: Herbert's another one and I love him, but he's meddling that.

758
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: At some point we got to start seeing, right.

759
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: Something would be great for the age of thirty, Like

760
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 4: in a game, like win a game the ma I

761
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 4: don't care that you beat the Raiders in week two.

762
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 4: I don't care.

763
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: That's hold. I'm keeping tracking the number of I don't cares.

764
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, well this is far the three or four. But

765
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: you know a guy, I think you know when you

766
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 4: look at Mendoza, to me, he's more than just some

767
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: of his parts, Like, yes, his arm isn't mahomes In,

768
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 4: but he's got a very good arm. He's mobile, not

769
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson, but he's mobile. He's a leader. He wins,

770
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 4: and I get it in college like winning dons always

771
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 4: quate to the NFL level because there's obviously a bunch

772
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 4: of different factors. But yeah, I think, like, could he

773
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: be a top ten quarterback? Yeah, I think he could

774
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 4: be a top Could he be Dak? You could be Dak.

775
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: But by the way, you know, I was thinking about this,

776
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that you need to clarify or announce

777
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: that you're a New Yorker, Like it's pretty obvious, right, probably, yeah,

778
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: probably the accent's one thing. But I'm curious to this

779
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: before we let you go and let you do actual

780
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: work here. So, and I know we've discussed this, So,

781
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: Matt Berderram, growing up in New York, you now live

782
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: in Chicago, right, correct? Are they going to Hammond? By

783
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: the way, who cares?

784
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I I think, I mean, I don't think so.

785
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: I think eventually Illinois is going to just give give

786
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: it up. And you feel that, right, Yeah, they own

787
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 4: the Arlington Heights property. They own it, Like, what are

788
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 4: you going to do with it? He's not gonna do anything?

789
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right?

790
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 4: Maybe put in a series and a fud Ruckers, Yeah right,

791
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, Fortillo it's like a Fields three. So I

792
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 4: feel like they'll end up there and the Hamit thing

793
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: is leverage, but you never know.

794
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: Okay, So your childhood team's growing up, I'm gonna I'm

795
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: gonna pick them right here. Okay, I think we've done

796
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: maybe this once before, but I'm gonna guess you were

797
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: a Giants fan growing up. No, believe it or not,

798
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: you were a Jets fan.

799
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 4: No, I grew up a diehard Chiefs fan because my

800
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 4: dad is a Chiefs fan. First game I've ever watched

801
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl four and they won the game. I

802
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 4: stuck with them, and so when I was born, I

803
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: had no choice. Okay, So Chiefs fan. Okay, I'm gonna

804
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 4: say that you are a Let me ask you what

805
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 4: part of New York did you grow up?

806
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: About?

807
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: An hour and a half outside New York.

808
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: City, north of the city.

809
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, cat skills.

810
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna say, based on that, you

811
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: were a Mets fan. Is here?

812
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 4: The next two? The next two sports are a lot

813
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: more normal. No, I actually grew up an A's fan.

814
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 4: A's okay, because again my dad A's fan as a kid,

815
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 4: stuck with him and so now now they just suck

816
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 4: and the Owners basically just a horrendous hit.

817
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: Okay, you would be a Rangers fan, right, Devils Devil's okay?

818
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, So based on this, you know, I

819
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: think there's the possibility of Nets here. But I'm gonna

820
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: say Nicks, my apologies.

821
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 4: Is there anyone who's a Nets fan? Does that exist?

822
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: So?

823
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: You know what, when I was in college, I had

824
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: I entered actually an MTV in New York. Myself and

825
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: another buddy decided that we were going to like kind

826
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: of pseudo follow the Nets. So you were you were

827
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: the two guys because I still have a blue Nets hat,

828
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. So say's new jersey nets Michael

829
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: Ray Richardson was cool? Oh my god, yeah, going back

830
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: eighties so they were cool. But but and then, but

831
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I am a we have to be objective,

832
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: but I'm a Pacers fan for sure, and my apologies

833
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: on what happened in the playoffs, but well.

834
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 4: We're all sorry about Oh, I'm sorry about that. I'm

835
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 4: still pissed about that.

836
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: You know, all right, Matt, We'll let you get back

837
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: to work. I appreciate the time as always, and we

838
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: look for your coverage for the combine and what takes

839
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: place here over the next couple days. Matt's gonna be

840
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: here till Friday, by the way, so if you hear him,

841
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: you'll hear them before you see him. Be sure to

842
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: buy him a beer. Right, that's right now, at least one, Okay,

843
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: Matt verder Ram from METS, I will come back. We

844
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: will reset everything and again a big show lined up

845
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: for you today. As a matter of fact, our buddy

846
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: JP Shadrick's going to come from right across the hall.

847
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: He is with the Jacksonville Jack Scott Agnes two o'clock

848
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: Courtey Cronin will get the latest on that situation with

849
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: the Bears. She's going to be coming up in the

850
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: two o'clock hour as well. Querying company here from the

851
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: combine ninety three five one oh seveny five to the

852
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: fan by the way, Eddie, you will be interested to

853
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: know that our man J. P. Shadrick, now he's he

854
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: is the one, if I'm not mistaken, that basically had

855
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: said ladies of Indianapolis when he when he you know,

856
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: he's he's on the market, right, didn't he say that

857
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: to us? We're not putting words in his mouth here? Right?

858
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: Well, he was heavily questioning while you're asking about his

859
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: marriage and if he was single, married or whatever the.

860
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: Case may be. That's right, I can't. It was one

861
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: of my questions. I was asking him and I leave.

862
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: That's when he said, well, let it be known, Well

863
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to.

864
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: One of your bad analogies. That's where you were going

865
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: with it, right.

866
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's it. Do I ever make good analogies?

867
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: No?

868
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: Thanks? Uh so, JP's growing a beard. I noticed it's

869
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: it's a new look for him. Yeah, he's a very

870
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: distinguished looking individual. College basketball tonight it is Indiana and

871
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: Northwestern Purdue in Michigan State. For Purdue, you know, I

872
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: mentioned this when we were talking about their win over Indiana.

873
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: That was an impressive win over Indiana in the fashion

874
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: in which they did it. I just felt like for Purdue.

875
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: And you know, it's so funny because we Purdue has

876
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: had a really good year obviously and is still in

877
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: line for probably a top two seed. Maybe they go

878
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: to the three line, but I think they have a

879
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: chance here still to you know, obviously still get more

880
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: wins and put themselves back on that too. I think

881
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: the one seed line is probably out of line at

882
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: this point. But it had been so long since and

883
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to what I said about

884
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: the eighty Olympic team, the eighty Olympic team in hockey,

885
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: the eighty Olympic, you know, the miracle and ice when

886
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: they won that game. And I've always said one of

887
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: my favorite moments in sports is watching the Russian team

888
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: with their head and their hands on their sticks, watching

889
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: the United States team celebrate and they had said, did

890
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: the Russian team that the reason they wanted to watch

891
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: that celebration is because they had forgotten that feeling. And

892
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: Purdue has been this group has been together for so

893
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: long and has won so many big games that I

894
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: think to an extent, they got away from just those

895
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: moments when you have somebody that's hitting a logo type

896
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: shot as Omermeyer was doing, and then Aiden Smith is

897
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: jumping up and down with this complete joy on his

898
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: face and slapping the towel on the floor. It had

899
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: been a while since you've seen Perdue been able to

900
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: just completely release and have that kind of a moment,

901
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: And you know, where do they go from here? With that?

902
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: And Michigan State it's a big one. I mean, that's

903
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: another big game. But I do feel as though this

904
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: might have kind of turned Purdue and redirected them back

905
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: on the tracks of their season. Now. Indiana, on the

906
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: other hand, coming off of that, I think that, you know,

907
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: losing a game like that and that kind of a

908
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: margin can stumble you a little bit. But I do

909
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: feel Indiana's pretty safely in the tournament at this point

910
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: unless the wheels completely come off, and I don't think

911
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: that they will. But one of the signs of the

912
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: wheels completely coming off for Indiana is if they struggle

913
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: at home against Northwestern, if they're able to get that tonight,

914
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: I think that that allows them then to just say,

915
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: you know what, we're kicking the dust off of us,

916
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: off of that getting knocked to the ground against Purdue

917
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: and now let's see where the chips may fall. It

918
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: feels like that's the direction in which that would go

919
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: for those two teams tonight. And then also as I mentioned,

920
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: Pacers and six Ers tonight at the Fieldhouse and we'll see.

921
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: We'll get from Eddie later the injury report as where

922
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: it stands as of right now, who is in and

923
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: who is out for Indiana. And you heard Rick Carlisle

924
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: earlier on the show talking about how when they got

925
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: that fine for tanking, he didn't agree with it. And

926
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: it was very odd in terms of the explanation or

927
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: kind of shoddy one that was given by the NBA

928
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: of their decision to pick Indiana in Utah as the

929
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: two franchises that were fined for quote tanking. All right,

930
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: we come back. JP is going to join us, I

931
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: think from Jacksonville. I haven't seen him. He was just

932
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: over here at the table next to us a little

933
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: bit ago. But we'll see if we can't flag him down.

934
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: Might try to get somebody from Vegas over also to

935
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: talk about Mendoza. As we continue here, we run in

936
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: two thirty looking forward to that conversation because I want

937
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: to find out more about this situation with the Bears.

938
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: So still plenty to get to from the Indiana Convention

939
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: Center on this NFL Draft Combine Broadcast squiring company here

940
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: on the fan. Let's get right to this. So, JP,

941
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: Shadwick car buddy from Jacksonville, comes over, right, and I

942
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: had forgotten the Jags do not have a first round

943
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: pick this year. Correct, that's correct, because they traded it

944
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: for Travis Hunter. Okay, so Trams, So the general manager

945
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: and the head coach of the Jags are not speaking

946
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: this week. Correct, they're not here at all. Okay, So,

947
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: so JP, what I've noticed is, so you walk over

948
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: and while we're having this loose conversation during the commercial break,

949
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: you say, well, there's no first round pick for the Jags.

950
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: The Jags aren't even necessarily represented here. And then you said,

951
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm here on my own dime. Right, You said you

952
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: came up to it, and then I've noticed that you've

953
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: got on the the kind of nice a lighter shade

954
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: vineyard vines quarter you know. Zip up, you got on

955
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: some nice faux Ostrich skin boots.

956
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 6: Those are calf but that's okay. But the Ostrich has

957
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 6: to bumps on them. That this is different animals all together.

958
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So but you get the nicetake we okay,

959
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: and you've and you've got the beard gone, which is

960
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: a good look. Right, thanks. So basically this is your

961
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: own recruiting combine. Is that what that we can say

962
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: If we say I don't know about that, you know

963
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: your own scouting combine here, we know.

964
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 6: Our past history with conversations on the show. It's good

965
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 6: to be why you agree to come back on, right?

966
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love it.

967
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 6: Uh, it's going to be back out of the office

968
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 6: and be here and be around and see everybody. I

969
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 6: don't you know, I don't travel in the NFL. I

970
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 6: don't travel with the Jags, So this is one of

971
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 6: the few times a year I get to see multiple

972
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 6: people in the league. We don't cover the Super Bowl.

973
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 6: Usually we rarely go to the owner's meetings. So for me,

974
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 6: it's valuable for a couple of days to come see

975
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 6: you guys, to come see the Colts, come see the Texans,

976
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 6: come see you everybody we don't get to see all

977
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 6: the time, and spend some time and eat some shrimp cocktail.

978
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: What do you feel really is the Let's cover this

979
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: in two areas, the first being you know, what is learned,

980
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: what do you learn over the course of this week,

981
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: and what's the value in the combine itself?

982
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 6: To me, it's okay, what are the major storylines of

983
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 6: free agency coming up? Because the Jags will be some

984
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 6: will play a little bit in free agency. They don't

985
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 6: have a lot of money, But what is the vibe

986
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 6: around the league? And you know that's that's number one

987
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 6: for me. You get the first touch or first look

988
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 6: at some of the possible rule changes that could happen

989
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 6: in late March of the owners meetings, which are always

990
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 6: fun to talk about, something to talk about at least,

991
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 6: and from our perspective, we just need some stuff to

992
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 6: talk about because, like you said, there's no first round pick,

993
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 6: there's not a lot of money in free agency, and

994
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 6: the quarterbacks there like they've they've got the head coach.

995
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 6: Now I mean they're basically just waiting for the calendar

996
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 6: to move around for things to happen. So for me,

997
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 6: it's that and then getting some perspective on outside feeling

998
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 6: of the Jaguars, like what I'm always fascinated by that

999
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 6: from the cold standpoint, and I know the inside perspective

1000
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 6: because I'm there every day.

1001
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: But does that match outside? What do you feel is

1002
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: the Jags are to me a curious case because being

1003
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: if we're talking within the Colts division here, Okay, you

1004
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: have Houston that we know has a nasty defense and

1005
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: then a quarterback that has shown promise but might have

1006
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: regressed a little bit, right, and so where exactly you

1007
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: have Tennessee that stinks? Correct? But I and I did

1008
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: start to think that maybe we saw a little at

1009
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: the quarterback position for them. But there's a lot that

1010
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: goes into that, as you know in Jacksonville, right, the

1011
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: whole new staff now too, and they got a long

1012
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: way to go. Yeah, okay, then you have the Jags

1013
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: where if you look at where Indianapolis is, and we

1014
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: think Daniel Jones is the guy, but and so you

1015
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: wonder where where the Colts slot in the AFC South,

1016
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: And then I look at Jacksonville, and they're just kind

1017
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: of it feels like they could go one of two directions.

1018
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they could go either way here and I

1019
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't be stunned either way. But as you know, I'm

1020
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: a big believer in Trevor Lawrence. The Jacksonville perception of

1021
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: where the Jags are is what is.

1022
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 6: Year over year, They're gonna be in the mix to

1023
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 6: win the division title like and be a premier AFC team.

1024
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 6: That's the feel, even after one year of the new

1025
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 6: coaching staff, just the way it built as the season

1026
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 6: went along.

1027
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: I mean they weren't fluke wins. I mean they were

1028
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: dominant victories.

1029
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 6: They are from in the NFL perspective, Blowing teams out

1030
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 6: two touchdowns, seventeen point games. That doesn't happen week over

1031
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 6: week in the NFL. Usual it's a one score game.

1032
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 6: They went out to Denver and put it to the

1033
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 6: Broncos late in December. It wasn't even a problem, never trailed,

1034
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 6: dominated the game, and that's when, Okay, they were winning

1035
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 6: a lot of games, but they realized then, oh, this

1036
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 6: is the number one seed right now. They can go

1037
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 6: hang with anybody in the AFC. So I think coming

1038
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 6: out of the playoff run. Yeah, they lost the playoff

1039
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 6: game to the Bills, but they were right there in

1040
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 6: that game, and they feel like they have there are

1041
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 6: a few spots away from being that premier team that

1042
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 6: can be in the mix every single year in the AFC,

1043
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 6: certainly in the AFC South, and that's you know, that's

1044
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 6: the consistency you want. It's better than being you know,

1045
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 6: nine and eight and kind of on the bubble, a

1046
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 6: wild card spot. They feel like they are a couple

1047
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 6: of games better than that now. And I think that

1048
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 6: progressed faster than they thought with the way the quarterback

1049
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 6: developed and had the relationship with the head coach grow

1050
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 6: as it went.

1051
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: Have you adjusted the ceiling for Trevor Lawrence of expectation? Oh?

1052
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think he probably did of himself too.

1053
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 6: Midway through the season, there was a lot of questions,

1054
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 6: is this really gonna work out? Like, can Liam Cohen

1055
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 6: and company get to him? Can they figure it out?

1056
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 6: Are they gonna work well together? Because it wasn't clean.

1057
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 6: You know, they were late to the line of scrimmage

1058
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 6: and they you know, they had a lot of pre

1059
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 6: snap penalties and delay of games and everything's rushed, and

1060
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 6: then midway through they're like, you know, and Trevor brought

1061
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 6: the idea, let me get a wristband kind of streamline

1062
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 6: some of the pre snap stuff, and a lot of

1063
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 6: coaches might say no, no, no, this is our process.

1064
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: Deal with it. Figure it out.

1065
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 6: Quarterback Liam and the staff are like, you know what

1066
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 6: we can adjust too, Yeah, let's shorten the play calls.

1067
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 6: Get you up there with ten twelve seconds left, pre

1068
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 6: snap movements, check the defense. All right, that was that

1069
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 6: was step one later. Okay, he's still a little hesitant

1070
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 6: throwing down the field. Didn't trust Brian Thomas for example,

1071
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 6: like Alligator Arms earlier in the season had some issues

1072
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 6: over the middle, But are you really gonna throw it?

1073
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: Let it go?

1074
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 6: Well, there was at some point right after the bye,

1075
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 6: Liam sat down with Trevor and basically said, hey, man,

1076
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 6: I'm here. I just signed a long deal.

1077
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: You're here.

1078
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 6: You don't have to worry worry about being perfect. Like

1079
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 6: you can throw an interception. I need you to go

1080
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 6: attack down the field for everything else to work here,

1081
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 6: and I'm not going to rip you like now, you

1082
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 6: know that's fine. The next week he goes out and

1083
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 6: throws three interceptions in Arizona and didn't get ripped. They

1084
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 6: won the game. They rallied to win. And I think

1085
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 6: that's when Trevor really opened up to Liam, because he

1086
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 6: stood up by his word. He's like, I'm not going

1087
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 6: to tear you apart. We're gonna find a way to win.

1088
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: Do you think Lawrence part of his interception problem is

1089
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: the fact that he became so accustomed in college to

1090
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: throwing the guys that always had that step and a

1091
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: half when you're throwing to Justin Ross and t Higgins

1092
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: and guys like that in college that are all that

1093
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: are Sunday players and sisters are the poor on Saturday

1094
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: four touchdowns? So did he have to adjust his timing

1095
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: because that's I think that's a thing for a lot

1096
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks.

1097
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 6: And I don't know that Anthony Richardson ever learned game

1098
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 6: speeds up right? Windows are you know, you think are open?

1099
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 6: Not even close to open?

1100
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: Right?

1101
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 6: And he got a layer in a different way. It's

1102
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 6: just all these things have to work in tandem, and

1103
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 6: sometimes you just got to learn and earn the trust

1104
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 6: of the guys around you too, right, And I think

1105
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 6: that there's a little combination of that and we really,

1106
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 6: I think saw a step in that direction this year.

1107
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: You know, alligators could get away with the alligator arms

1108
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: because they've got big.

1109
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 6: Hands, right, don't Alligators have big hands, But they can't

1110
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 6: do much with them. They can just flip them around.

1111
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 6: But I mean, but if they're big enough and they're

1112
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 6: pillow like hands, oh, you got to hit it right

1113
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 6: between them hands on your chest.

1114
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 5: You have a tight end. At least chest catchers.

1115
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: That's what they do. I mean, here's the thing. I

1116
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: don't know if alligators can. I don't. I have no

1117
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: idea if gators can actually catch the ball. But I know,

1118
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: based on the President Indianapolis, gators can't throw the ball

1119
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: to save their life.

1120
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 6: That's a good point. That much we don't fair enough.

1121
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 6: We've done that for a while and the shelf life

1122
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 6: is very good either.

1123
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, the last Heisman Trophy winner down there, I

1124
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: couldn't throw it that well, that is correct, right, unless

1125
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: it was the little jump pass right. JP shatterck Is

1126
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: is our guest. By the way, I want to get

1127
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: back to this and this is fun for probably only me.

1128
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: You don't have any of the mango vodka things here,

1129
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: do you?

1130
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 4: No?

1131
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: I wish I could have simulator. It is great though,

1132
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: thank you. Right, the mango tea with a little splash

1133
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: of vodka one hundred callories two grand no carbonation, smooth. Yeah,

1134
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: you gotta love it. Perfect. Okay. When you were at Alabama,

1135
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: you were roll Tide long time ago, and you mentioned

1136
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: that you in the four years that you were a student,

1137
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: you had four head football coach right, yes, Okay? Now,

1138
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: and do you give me credit for the fact that

1139
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: the first I came out of the box with was

1140
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: Mike Price. That's pretty good. And Mike Price, if I'm

1141
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: not mistaken so far, you've been on with me longer

1142
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: today than Mike Price lasted at Alabama, right all most Yeah,

1143
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: he was there, what I mean like a month, few months.

1144
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 6: He coached the spring game. You got hired in December

1145
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 6: and then coached the spring game. And then the SI

1146
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 6: article came out about strip clubs and Pensacola and all

1147
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 6: that stuff.

1148
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: I thought, was there a Is that what it was?

1149
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: Or was I was thinking it was? It was a

1150
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 1: resume issue? No, No, that was George Georgia.

1151
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 6: That was different. Notre Dame and George. Where did Mike

1152
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 6: Price end up? By the way, he was a utep

1153
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 6: after that, I think that's right.

1154
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: That's a while. And then I don't know where you know, okay,

1155
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: So so you had Mike Price and then he was

1156
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: immediately replaced by Shula right right, yes, because they was

1157
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: late in the game. You know, it's March or April

1158
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: or whatever, and so they got to kind of find

1159
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: somebody quick. And it was an alumni, right, he played there.

1160
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: So then your freshman year you had a coach that

1161
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: was at the end of his tenure, correct, and he

1162
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: had been their how long? It was his fourth year

1163
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: and it was not Jeene Stallings. It was after Jeane Stallings, okay.

1164
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: And then you had he was replaced by somebody that

1165
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: was there for two years, correct, and that guy was

1166
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: a good or bad coach? O wha. It was Dennis

1167
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: Ericson there at one point. No man's name is I'm

1168
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: not sorry. The guy that went to a hold On

1169
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: He went to Texas A and m correct Franchion, Dennis Franchion, Okay,

1170
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: there for two years, Okay? So he and he who

1171
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: did he replace? Mike Dubos. I would literally if you

1172
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: would have locked me in a cave, you never got out, correct.

1173
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 6: So Dubos took over after Stallings ninety seven. Dubos played

1174
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 6: defensive line there for Bear Bryant and was an assistant

1175
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 6: there for a long time assistant under Stallings took over

1176
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 6: the head coaching job. He's from op Alabama down south

1177
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 6: and was there ninety seven. They had losing record for

1178
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 6: the first time in fifty years forty years. Got back

1179
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 6: when the SEC in ninety nine with Shawn Alexander Chris

1180
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 6: Samuels is the left tackle, beat Florida twice that year

1181
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 6: and lost in the Orange Bowl to Tom Brady in

1182
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 6: Michigan on a missed extra point, and in the next year,

1183
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 6: number top five team in the country go out to UCLA,

1184
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 6: played at the Rose Bowl Stadium for the first time

1185
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 6: since the nineteen forty is the actual Rose Bowl game,

1186
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 6: and return the opening punt for a touchdown. Freddie Millins

1187
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 6: goes to the house watching it on in my apartment

1188
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 6: in Tuscaloos.

1189
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: The places going crazy. UCLA wins the game, a bunch

1190
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 1: of mango and vodka, going right, yeah, yeah, of course

1191
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: we did. Yeah. Actually that was too young, so unsweet Nicetya.

1192
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 6: It's all yeah, okay, So but then they lost eight

1193
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 6: games that year and you know, lost to Central Florida

1194
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 6: on homecoming and that was pretty.

1195
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: Much the end. Well, the reason part of why I

1196
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: ask is this, you know, Alabama is, in my opinion,

1197
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: it is the richest football program in the country. My

1198
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: apologies to Notre Dame. But is it surreal for you,

1199
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: being an Alabama grad and living in the heart of

1200
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: SEC and really big time football to know that Indiana

1201
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: is the national champion. It is the new era of

1202
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: college football.

1203
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 6: Anybody who has the ability to collect finances and can

1204
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 6: find success in the transfer portal and put all that together,

1205
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 6: you might can strike lightning once in a while, right.

1206
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 6: Michigan State did that the first year or two of

1207
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 6: the transfer portal. Mel Tucker is the head coach. They

1208
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 6: had Kenneth Walker. The third was a running back they've

1209
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,479
Speaker 6: brought in for the one day. They had like twenty

1210
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 6: two incoming transfers, like oh, grasping our pearls, like, oh,

1211
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 6: all these transfers, it's not gonna work. They won like

1212
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 6: eleven games. Then it went downhill fast, like you know,

1213
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 6: they couldn't sustain it. Now it feels like, okay, if

1214
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 6: you can, you can maybe have lightning a bottle for

1215
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 6: a year. But how do you sustain it? How do

1216
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 6: you you get the next wave of guys to come

1217
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 6: in and stay? And that's the big question for Andyana

1218
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 6: Well and as all these guys were here for a

1219
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 6: short time, now what you know, what is the identity?

1220
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: And while I obviously agree with you, because Mendoza, you know,

1221
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: is a one year guy, but they did have players.

1222
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: You know, Omar Cooper is a guy that they have

1223
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: players that were initially brought in by Tom Allen. But

1224
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: the big thing for me with Indiana was, and I

1225
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: think one of the most underrated aspects of a JP

1226
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: was the number of players that he brought with him

1227
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: from James Madison because they were able to bring it

1228
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: walk into a locker room and say, look, the guy

1229
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: might be a little nerdy, the guy might be you

1230
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: know whatever, but follow the plan. And therefore, now you've

1231
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: kind of done the hard part right where you can

1232
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: go to transfer portal players now and you would think

1233
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: that Indiana is of interest to them because they can

1234
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: see the proof there. The question becomes when you don't

1235
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 1: have twelve guys from the same school coming in and

1236
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: you mesh together, do you think he can well, yeah,

1237
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll find out.

1238
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 6: You know, he's done at other places, right, he did

1239
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 6: it at James Madison before that, right, and a place

1240
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 6: that's not necessarily a premier program. Get guys to stick around,

1241
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 6: buy into it. And he's brought them all over to Indiana,

1242
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 6: got him to buy into it, and yeah, it can

1243
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 6: be done. You know, we'll see. I mean, they're paying

1244
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 6: him to get it done. Clearly he's resigned the deal

1245
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 6: to stick around for a while to work it out.

1246
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 6: So I think it is possible, especially in the new era.

1247
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 6: Now you can cherry pick a few guys here there,

1248
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 6: but you still need a core of like Indiana guys,

1249
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 6: like guys that you've recruited and have stuck through it

1250
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 6: a little bit.

1251
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: That's my belief.

1252
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 6: I think if you're going full free agent every single year,

1253
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 6: that's when it can be really tough. Unless you just

1254
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 6: get lucky and strike lightning every year about a team.

1255
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 6: You still need some kind of core identity who you are.

1256
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 6: And now for Indiana, to your point, it was the

1257
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 6: James Madison guys. It was the offensive line, like I mean,

1258
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 6: they won the MVP of the.

1259
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: Rose Ball right right well and incredible and that's with

1260
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: and whoever would have guessed this to be the case.

1261
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: That's with a center that transfers from Notre Dame, I mean,

1262
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: to go from Notre Dame to Indiana.

1263
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 6: Right, he would have thought that, right, I mean, so,

1264
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 6: all right, that's the core of that team is. And

1265
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 6: to me, that's where you saw it in the National

1266
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 6: title game.

1267
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: Right. Miami was built the same way.

1268
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 6: I mean, Mario Christball had a bunch of guys that

1269
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 6: who were homegrown, that were offensive line, big defensive linemen

1270
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 6: that stuck around.

1271
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 4: There.

1272
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 6: A few cherry picked in brought in, but for the

1273
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 6: most part, they are guys and they were a big, physical,

1274
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 6: nasty line of scrimmage team.

1275
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: And that's what Indiana was. You know, they you had

1276
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: that Notre Dame Miami game to kick off the college

1277
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: football season, right, did you at that time did you

1278
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: anticipate that you were seeing a team that could but

1279
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: that would be in the National title Game.

1280
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 6: I knew that they had one of the biggest offensive lines.

1281
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 6: I'd seen it in a long time, just size, height

1282
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 6: and weight. Getting off the bus, It's like, oh, okay,

1283
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 6: at least you got that. Okay, can they play, We'll

1284
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Speaker 6: see And they did. They ran the football and they

1285
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 6: had two different running backs play well in that game.

1286
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Speaker 6: But then the defensive line was the one. They've had

1287
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Speaker 6: some changes there, They had questions in the secondary, how's

1288
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 6: this really gonna look? Then Reuben Bain showed up and

1289
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 6: you're like, oh wow, he's rushing from the edge. He's

1290
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 6: running to a pass on the sideline that gets tipped,

1291
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 6: makes an interception outside the numbers were turning it down

1292
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Speaker 6: the sideline. He's three hundred pounds. I mean, this is

1293
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Speaker 6: oh wow, this is a different kind of level of

1294
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 6: player here. And when you got those guys playing well

1295
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 6: and staying healthy and out there, you got a shot.

1296
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Speaker 6: And you know, especially the quarterback who'd played a lot

1297
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Speaker 6: of football too in transfer portable.

1298
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Speaker 1: And what sort of things did you see in that

1299
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: game out of Notre Dame that led you to forecast

1300
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: what Notre Dame may be, not just this past season,

1301
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: but more so.

1302
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Speaker 6: No, I mean they're a study of veteran team. I mean,

1303
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 6: they have guys who've played a lot of football, right.

1304
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 6: I mean the running backs really good too. I mean

1305
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 6: Jeremiah Love he's gonna be up there high this year.

1306
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 6: So and they had been in the championship game the

1307
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 6: year before, so He's built a consistent program up in

1308
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 6: South Bend, and that's you can always recruit Notre Dame.

1309
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 6: I don't think that is. If that's ever an issue,

1310
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 6: then there are bigger issues at Notre Dame.

1311
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: What most intrigues you? JP? Shadwick is my guest, he's

1312
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: with the Jacksonville Jaguars. We are here at the NFL

1313
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: scouting combine. What most intrigues you about this combine? Maybe

1314
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: not even from a Jaguars standpoint? Yeah, who are these guys?

1315
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: You know?

1316
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 6: Like, who are the superstars of this draft? Mendoza probably

1317
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 6: gonna go number one. Simpson's gonna throw I guess this

1318
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 6: week we'll find out he's only played fifteen games in Alabama, Like,

1319
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 6: is he really a prospect NFL?

1320
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: You know? Sure? Baying some of the big guys in

1321
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: the defensive line.

1322
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 6: Beyond that, I mean, we've had years here where there's

1323
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 6: like twenty guys you gotta watch, right, I don't know

1324
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 6: who we're gonna watch.

1325
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Down's out of Ohio State, a great player.

1326
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 6: I don't need to watch him too much because I

1327
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 6: know he's gonna be a really good player and a

1328
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 6: fantastic defensive back of the League punt returner, whatever he

1329
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 6: wants to be, Like, I don't need to see him tested,

1330
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 6: which is part of the you know, I think that's

1331
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 6: part of the philosophy of the Jaguars that aren't here

1332
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 6: this week, GM coach are not here. It's like, let's

1333
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 6: watch the guy play actual football and we'll use some

1334
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 6: of the numbers to if something stands out here in

1335
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 6: the three cone drill, let's go clarify it on football

1336
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 6: tape and don't let that skew our vision of how

1337
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 6: they play football.

1338
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: Do you think it? Let me ask you this. You've

1339
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: been with the Jags now for how many years? This

1340
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: is about to be a year fifteen? Okay, In that

1341
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: fifteen years, do you feel that the merit or the

1342
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: significance or the critical nature of the scouting combine has increased,

1343
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: decreased or is the same. I think it's decreased a

1344
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, you know, I mean I feel that

1345
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, it's it's been downplayed. Now this is

1346
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: a bit like how important it is?

1347
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 6: Right it was, but now all of a sudden it's

1348
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 6: more important for TV because the quarterbacks throwing Saturday nine

1349
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 6: prime time, Like, why you know that's part of the

1350
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 6: NFL trying to make it a tent pole occasion once

1351
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 6: a month and put on a showcase on the network. Right,

1352
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 6: that makes sense. But like we was talked about, in

1353
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 6: terms of actual scouting, yes, it's important. There are scouts

1354
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 6: here from the Jags. You come, take the times down,

1355
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 6: you go interview the players. It's not me that will

1356
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 6: not be Meles. They're sitting at Saint Elois Bar tonight.

1357
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 6: I'm not going to be interviewed with anybody. But the

1358
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 6: actual finding a gym at the combine. Okay, maybe something

1359
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 6: stands out. You run a fast forty, but you watch

1360
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 6: the tape. Does he run the fast forty with pads on,

1361
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 6: with defenders against him? That's the balance of that. I

1362
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 6: think probably is skewed back to a little bit of

1363
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 6: the football side.

1364
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: The you know, the drafts. Jacksonville hosted the draft yet no,

1365
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: they didn't have the facilities at some point. Now the

1366
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: stadium is being built. Once that's done, you never know.

1367
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: So you know, and people that listen to this program,

1368
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: not that they don't get tired of me anyway, but

1369
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: they probably get tired of this. Take. Okay, the draft,

1370
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: Now there is some percolation if that's the right word

1371
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: that the NFL draft.

1372
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 7: It is.

1373
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: The NFL Draft is rumored to be that Indianapolis is

1374
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: going to throw its hat in the ring of trying

1375
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: to lure it here by twenty thirty.

1376
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 5: Cool.

1377
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: Okay. I have always been a cynic about this, though,

1378
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: because I don't dispute the NFL Draft has become a

1379
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: major social cultural event within the United States. Cool. I

1380
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: got no problem that seventy five to eighty thousand people

1381
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: want to stand out in spotty weather in April to

1382
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: hear the right guard of Texas A and M being taken. Cool. Right.

1383
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't know why the NFL needs to tell me

1384
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: that there are four hundred thousand people there. Zero chance

1385
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: that that's true. Zero chance. Well, you add it up

1386
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: over three days, that's if you're getting uniques. But even

1387
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: then I'm going to pushback. But I find it interesting

1388
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: that the NFL Draft, if they have come out and

1389
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,479
Speaker 1: said that if it's in Indianapolis, that they likely would

1390
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: not hold it at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Now have

1391
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: you been to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. I've driven by it.

1392
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: So the Indianapolis Motor Speedway holds permanently two hundred and

1393
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty two seats. Yeah, right, So what

1394
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: better way to prove that you're getting three hundred thousand

1395
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: people than to hold it the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in

1396
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: the incredible area. You could have the draft picks on

1397
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: Indy cars going around the correct everybody said this, right

1398
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: and Phil five though, you know, going to it. So

1399
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: why would you not? How you know, how's it there

1400
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: unless you're aware of the fact that it would glaringly

1401
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: put holes in the theory of the number of people

1402
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: that are there.

1403
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 6: Well, then you'd have to have two hundred thousand a

1404
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 6: day for three days, you know, because it's two hundred

1405
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 6: thousand collectively.

1406
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,799
Speaker 1: Well, but you know, Detroit was a was a million

1407
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: collect was not a million? Look up what they look

1408
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: at what they said? Yes, I thought they said like

1409
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: five hundred or something six two million at Nashville, right,

1410
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: was that right? Nashville's pretty cool though, in Nashville's cool.

1411
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: But there's no way that there were too million people there.

1412
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: For there there are there might be one hundred and

1413
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,480
Speaker 1: twenty thousand Bachelor Red parties on buses.

1414
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 6: Right, you remember the story when it was there, they

1415
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 6: interviewed some of the bachelorette parties.

1416
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: They were like, we didn't know the draft was a town.

1417
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: It ruined our bachelorette party, like what, they were totally

1418
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: upset by it, right, they did not care. Now nobody

1419
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: from the draft was upset that the bachelor parties were. Right,

1420
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: of course, not it towns the number because they were

1421
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: on the Broadway. That's exactly correct in Nashville's cool though,

1422
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: it is cool cool.

1423
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 6: I think Jack, you know, once the stadium's done and

1424
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,560
Speaker 6: once they finished some other things around, I think, so

1425
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 6: are they renovating the stadium down there? Are building full

1426
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 6: renovation so it'll be open in twenty twenty eight. A

1427
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 6: roof expanding the footpen footprint print by three times. Everything

1428
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 6: inside is go being totally renovated, roof with opening air car.

1429
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,879
Speaker 1: Are we getting to the point where where it's eventually

1430
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: going to be that almost every franchise has it has

1431
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: a roof or a retractable roof.

1432
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 6: It kind of feels like it's trending that way. I

1433
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 6: don't know if I like that. I'm glad Buffalo didn't

1434
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 6: do it.

1435
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: There's something special, but they still have somewhat they have

1436
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: kind of the the original Cowboys stadium type feel too, right.

1437
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that's the I get it. Especially

1438
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: in a cold weather climate. I totally get it.

1439
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 6: I can't stand there's You know, Pete Prisco comes on

1440
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 6: our shows all the time, CBS Sports Senior writer, and

1441
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 6: he's been on it covered with the Jags for a

1442
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 6: long time before he went to CBS. His opinion is

1443
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 6: that every game should be played indoors on neutral conditions.

1444
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, it's the worst take ever.

1445
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 6: Are they put in the pool back in? They're never leaving.

1446
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 6: I think both pools are still there. Yes, the red

1447
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 6: Have you ever been in the pool?

1448
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 4: No?

1449
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: My understanding is in Jacksonville. I don't know if this

1450
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,959
Speaker 1: is the case in Arizona, but my understanding is in Jacksonville,

1451
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: if you get in the pool, gotta wear cutoff jeans, right,

1452
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean, no trunks, cut off jeans only.

1453
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 6: Well, I mean you wear that most places in town anyway,

1454
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 6: so you might as well just hop in the pool

1455
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 6: with them.

1456
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: It goes with not the ostrich getting the calf poots.

1457
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: Come on, man, get it right, all right? So I'd

1458
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: like to know this lastly, when you're in Indianapolis, your

1459
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: favorite things to do aside for the combine and coming

1460
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: on this show or what.

1461
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 6: You know, it's rotating steakhouses. I like the wandering and

1462
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 6: sitting at the bar and having a snack one place

1463
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 6: and going to the other and see what's going on,

1464
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 6: because you know, in the evenings, everybody kind of collects

1465
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 6: at these places, and that's when you really get a

1466
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 6: chance to go interact and shake hands.

1467
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: Can you get some can you get some insights and

1468
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: some scoop just from yeah? I mean, it depends on

1469
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: where you are and who you're talking to. It's kind

1470
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: of summer chapter. It's not summer, I realized, but off

1471
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 1: season chapter for the paternity of the NFL. Right, there's

1472
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: a lot of that. There's a lot of that.

1473
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 6: So you'll see a lot of people out and about

1474
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 6: and if you yeah, and you'll have a chance to

1475
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 6: go up and interact or have a beer or not

1476
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 6: or whatever.

1477
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: And you said, this is all on your own ticket.

1478
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: You're not expensing this or anything. Right that White Castle

1479
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 1: is good right up the road. Have you been there?

1480
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 6: I've had White Castle before. It's kind of like I

1481
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 6: also enjoy here. And I don't know if I should

1482
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 6: say names of Places radio show. But that Nicky blainez

1483
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 6: down here, serious club. Oh man, I'm in there every time,

1484
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 6: the cigar Place, right, love it?

1485
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I got it. You know. I

1486
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: worked in a cigar store for eight years. I can

1487
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: tell you anything you won't know about any cigar, Connecticut wrapping,

1488
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: dua rap, natural shade, I mean, you name it, Nicaraguan cigars.

1489
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: I can tell you about Dominican cigars. I can tell

1490
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: you about keep it cigars. I can tell you about

1491
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: how Dura cigars.

1492
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 6: They love a good Nicaraguin cigar, do you Rocky hotel'strons

1493
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 6: and all that stuff.

1494
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: You ever had a tamo? They're Mexican, a little more spice,

1495
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: a little more body to them, but kind of like

1496
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: Nicaraguins typically have a little more spice of reality. Yeah.

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01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I've been smoking the Plane of Blane of

1498
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 6: Venturas lately. They're a little probably a dollar or two

1499
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 6: less than the Padrones per stick, so per stick.

1500
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, good lingo. Hey, I'm no rookie over there, okay, man,

1501
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 1: all right, well Jp, it's always fun, man. It's it's

1502
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: you and vert Ram both. It's don't do you know

1503
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: Matt Verdram do. I yeah, I don't know. The two

1504
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: of you guys could could hang out together. He's a

1505
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: new he was just here from SI. You guys would

1506
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: get along. You're two of my favorite guests when we

1507
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: do this each and every I'm only down here for

1508
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: the day and I'm like, look, I gotta come down

1509
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,719
Speaker 1: so JP I can get JP Shadock. So I appreciate

1510
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 1: you coming by, and we will obviously be talking to

1511
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: you over the course of the season. JP Shadrock, Shadwick.

1512
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: Excuse me. It is with Jacksonville and the Jaguars. We

1513
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: come back more to get to including I may get

1514
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: one of the folks from Vegas over because I'd like

1515
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: to talk about Fernanda Mendoza. But Scott Agnes is going

1516
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: to join us. Two o'clock Pacers and Action Tonight at

1517
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: the field House taken on the Sixers College basketball Indiana

1518
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 1: Purdue and Action tonight as well. We are at the

1519
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: NFL scouting combine that means Indiana Convention Center. Here a

1520
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: quarrying company on the fan. You know this song is

1521
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: applicable for the Vegas folks because first couple of years

1522
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: and there's no franchise and you can chime in here.

1523
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: I oftentimes when a franchise moves, you know, it takes

1524
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: a while. I mean, it was, oh, Eddie White's here,

1525
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: by the way, Eddie your buddy. I need to get

1526
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: I need to get Eddie White over just to see

1527
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: who he's had dinner with so far tonight. But the

1528
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 1: when franchises move, I mean, it took for like fifteen

1529
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: or twenty years before you would go to a Colts

1530
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: game and not run the possibility of an official saying

1531
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, penalty Baltimore, and you know, people boo and

1532
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: go crazy. It just seems like the Raiders the most

1533
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: perfect place for them. It almost feels like Vegas is

1534
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: more perfect for them than was Oakland. Eddie White has

1535
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: walked over. We could talk about the Pacers here real quick.

1536
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: And then also, this is as I said, officially, this

1537
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: is Eddie white Instagram week. Right, this is your week.

1538
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: I have this your time to shine.

1539
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 8: I have not posted a photo in years from here,

1540
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 8: but I was just telling somebody there. I think I

1541
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 8: got to look it up. I think I missed the

1542
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 8: first because I was working for the Dolphins. The first

1543
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 8: three or four combines comin, everyone says nineteen, I'm gonna guess.

1544
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 8: I'm gonna guess nineteen six, seven, eighty eighty six, eighty seventy.

1545
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: Back then, it was like top secret. Nobody.

1546
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 8: They were two different There was a Blessedo group and

1547
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 8: there was there were two groups that were competing. Half

1548
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 8: the teams with one group and half were with the other.

1549
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 8: And then they got they figured out which, shockingly, we

1550
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 8: should come together, and then they did that, and they

1551
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 8: first they'd started in Chicago. There was somewhere else when

1552
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 8: they first did it, and I think they came here

1553
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 8: and they went somewhere else, and then they came here

1554
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 8: and it's been here ever since. And I remember Jake

1555
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 8: went my first year here with Logo Athletic. When I

1556
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 8: left the Dolphins to come to Indianapolis, that would have

1557
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 8: been eighty six, eighty nine, the combine of eighty nine.

1558
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 8: I said to my boss, I said, hey, do you

1559
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 8: know because we were an NFL licensee, do you know

1560
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 8: all the NFL head coaches are here, like big shots

1561
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 8: are here for the teams for this combine. And by

1562
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 8: then I don't think media even came to it. Was

1563
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 8: it was it was literally like nothing. It was yet

1564
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 8: nobody was a secret exactly and we got what he

1565
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 8: called Jim Morris or somebody, and we had a cocktail

1566
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 8: party at the top of the pan am Plaza. No

1567
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 8: Panama Plaza has that corner room at the top where

1568
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 8: it's like a we could see all the windows out

1569
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 8: and see the city, and we invite all the coaches

1570
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 8: and it was like Joe Gibbs, my old coach, Shula

1571
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 8: showed up.

1572
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: Ditka.

1573
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 8: A lot of those guys came in and just welcome

1574
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 8: to Indianapolis. I think the mayor came by and you know,

1575
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 8: schmoos him a little bit, and then you're right. No

1576
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,560
Speaker 8: one could ever go in the dome. The dome was

1577
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 8: like it's like the Wizard of Oz. No one can

1578
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 8: go in there, no question, No media allowed, no fans.

1579
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 8: Everything was top secret. And then over the years, you know,

1580
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 8: media started coming and I remember, honesty guy, Jake, I

1581
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 8: remember one year there was a guy in a gray

1582
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 8: sweatshirt trying to get into Remember the old dome. If

1583
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 8: you're going south and the dome is on your right,

1584
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 8: so I'm on Capitol, No, I'm not Capitol, Yeah, that's right,

1585
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 8: and the.

1586
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: Domes on my right.

1587
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 8: There's a guy in a gray sweatshirt trying to get in,

1588
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 8: checking all the doors to try to get in the

1589
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 8: dome because he didn't know how to get in for

1590
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 8: the thing. And it was Troy Aikman, and you know

1591
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 8: nowadays it's like they have their handlers and you know, Nike.

1592
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 8: So he was a prospect. You're saying, yes, yeah he was.

1593
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:08,640
Speaker 8: He was going over for his meetings or whatever. But

1594
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 8: it wasn't as organized as it is now. The guys

1595
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 8: just walked wherever they wanted to go.

1596
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 1: And Eddie the cynic in me, Eddie White, by the

1597
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: way from the pacers is my guest here with the combine.

1598
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: The cynic in me has always said this. I find

1599
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: it funny that it was top secret, no one can know,

1600
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,799
Speaker 1: you know, area fifty one level stuff, until finally they realized,

1601
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 1: wait a minute, we can monetize this. And then once

1602
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: they started letting the whole world end, then it was

1603
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: that's okay, because not much goes on anyway. It's like,

1604
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: wait a minute, so you know what changed here, right?

1605
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: Except and I realized now that prospects do their pro

1606
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: day and et cetera, the throwing and that kind of thing,

1607
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: are are we getting to a point where this will

1608
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: become basically just interviews and MRIs and that's it, you

1609
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

1610
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 8: I hope not, because I think this is obviously a

1611
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 8: great event for the city, and no city does it better.

1612
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you and I have to.

1613
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 8: I think every year we get together we say the

1614
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 8: same things. If we surveyed the scouts, the assistant coaches,

1615
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 8: the head coaches, the trainers, ninety nine point nine percent

1616
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 8: and would say this is where it.

1617
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 4: Has to be.

1618
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 8: It's also walkable and accessible and mostly the medical medically,

1619
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 8: mostly medical exactly. But it's the marketing people are like, oh, no,

1620
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 8: we take to La we could sell tickets and you

1621
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 8: know come and no, no, not make it a sponsor

1622
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,759
Speaker 8: trip out of the deal because we don't have seventy

1623
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 8: degree temperatures right now. But this is the best city

1624
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 8: for it. But you have to have guys do their workouts.

1625
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 8: Now they're being told by their agents, hey, you're not

1626
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 8: going to throw, which I never understood that because years

1627
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 8: and and this is another story I always tell you

1628
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 8: every year when we get together. Years ago, I'm putting

1629
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 8: a charity golf tournament in Delaware and the guy is

1630
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 8: former Boston College, former ego Mike mamula and he's our

1631
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:49,839
Speaker 8: celebrity with our true mention yesterday.

1632
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're schmoozing that up.

1633
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 8: Being mobilm and he says, who guys at many white

1634
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,560
Speaker 8: would rebuck w we got said, well, we're in Indianapolis.

1635
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 8: He goes, Oh, Indianapolis my all time favorite city in

1636
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 8: the whole world. I'm like, why he goes, it made

1637
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 8: me a lot of money.

1638
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he figured out, Look, he did, I don't care

1639
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,759
Speaker 1: if I can't play, if I can master the shuttle,

1640
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: the high jump and whatever and smart right.

1641
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 8: Yep, absolutely, his people trained him for that. He came

1642
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 8: in the Eagles said, oh my god, this is like

1643
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 8: this is the greatest football player of all time. They

1644
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 8: drafted him high. He got a big contract and he said,

1645
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 8: quite frankly, I couldn't play at that level. But the

1646
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 8: combine made him money. So you know, that's why. Why

1647
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 8: wouldn't you throw it?

1648
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: And that's why. But Eddie, I think to an extent

1649
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: that the number that Mamula is kind of the poster

1650
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: of this right he has supposed. But Leland McElroy is

1651
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 1: another one that comes to mind. I remember he ran

1652
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: the forty here and like got a standing ovation from

1653
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: the scouts and whatever else, and and then he gets

1654
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: drafted high and he was okay, but one like he

1655
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: was a game changing player. I think the medically is

1656
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: is the more important aspect of it. Of hey, here's

1657
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: Eddie White that looks like a good player, but we've

1658
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: got some question about the shoulder that he had repaired

1659
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 1: or whatever else. And I've always wondered this, and I

1660
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: don't know if if you know this or not, but

1661
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: is there a particular medical group that the combine uses

1662
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,919
Speaker 1: here or is it a collaboration of Francisco ascension?

1663
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 8: I U all, it's a great question. I know I

1664
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 8: use heavily involved. I think it might be a bunch

1665
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 8: because the turnovers. It has to be quick, right, And

1666
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 8: I think they use everybody. I mean, I don't know

1667
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 8: if one could. Maybe one could do it, but I

1668
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 8: think they use everybody because it's so quick. When you

1669
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 8: ask them, well, I hear the medical what the hell

1670
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 8: does that mean? It means that we can get the

1671
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 8: results quick. And they always say there at least one

1672
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 8: guy that they're going to find out something he had,

1673
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 8: something with his heart or something that saved the life.

1674
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 1: Oh you know that I've mentioned that yesterday too. I

1675
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: can't remember what may have been two years ago, right,

1676
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: They found somebody that had a heart valve issue or something.

1677
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 8: You imagine if you're that guy and you've just spent

1678
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 8: four years at X school and you're like, wait a minute,

1679
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 8: you guys didn't know I had.

1680
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: Ed Who did you just say?

1681
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 4: It was.

1682
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: Montes sweat? So they found did they find something within him?

1683
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 2: I know they found like a heart palpitation or something

1684
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: like that. I don't know they mean exactly what.

1685
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 1: I again, I mean, you know what the other thing

1686
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 1: is is you can gain.

1687
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,560
Speaker 8: You can win over people here, like in your interviews,

1688
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 8: the way you carry yourself, and and then you can lose.

1689
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: I mean they hear.

1690
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 8: I mean there's been stories of some guys getting drunk,

1691
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 8: getting in a fight, guy acting like an idiot, umberd store,

1692
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 8: DeAndre Hopkins leap poo all over his hotel. Yeah, I mean,

1693
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 8: and that's gonna you know, and again they have film.

1694
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 8: I mean, Gil Brandt, you say you're not gonna get

1695
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 8: drafted just on what you do here. They look at

1696
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 8: your game tape and then and then Gil was different

1697
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,560
Speaker 8: when ran the Cowboys. He's gonna talk to the s

1698
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 8: I d like, did he show up on time when

1699
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 8: you scheduled interviews for him?

1700
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 1: Oh?

1701
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 8: No, he's always late. I always had to double check,

1702
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 8: triple check whatever. Okay, that tells me something they would

1703
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 8: check with the equipment guy. An here's what's funny to

1704
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 8: me about that.

1705
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 1: I get that there are teams that like want to

1706
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: take that hard line of the sand and I get

1707
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: that more often than not, probably that does pay off

1708
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 1: for you to an extent. But the teams that were like,

1709
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: you know what, we have better character than the draft

1710
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: Randy Moss, we're gonna met, We're gonna take a line

1711
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 1: that they got worked out from Minnesota. Okay. The teams

1712
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: that didn't want to draft Warren Sap because he had

1713
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: issue in at Miami think got worked out for Tampa.

1714
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 8: Okay, you know, but I would argue that for those two,

1715
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 8: there might be another one hundred that that didn't like.

1716
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 8: Don Shula had a saying late in his career he said,

1717
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 8: every time I took over character, I got burned. If

1718
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 8: your elite talent though, yeah, at least yeah, elite is

1719
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 8: I mean, it's it's the old you know. Lou Holtz

1720
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 8: had the phrase, I treat I coach. I treat all

1721
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 8: my players the same, differently, like I'm gonna treat rick

1722
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 8: Meyer differently than you. Rick Meyer shows up late, That's okay.

1723
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 8: You show up late. You're the third string safety. You

1724
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 8: know you got right shid naps up the steps, you

1725
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 8: got good ship workin you know what I'm saying.

1726
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you know. That's the world Bob Knight.

1727
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 1: Everybody talks about how Bob Knight's this great disciplinarian. I

1728
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: depending on who it was, right, including himself. I mean yeah,

1729
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know there's he was. Bob Knight

1730
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: was Nadia Komanici in terms of the gymnastics he did

1731
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: for Jay Edwards, right, because Jay Edwards.

1732
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 8: Could play absolutely, Hey, you got to greet man. Is

1733
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,759
Speaker 8: that statue needs to be outside. It needs to be outside.

1734
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 8: It could be him on the bench with a bench

1735
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 8: you can sell next to it and get a picture.

1736
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 8: Because here's what I get when I was at Notre Dame,

1737
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 8: and I know it's the same in Adiana. You have

1738
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 8: no idea when you when you work, you see it

1739
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 8: that people are on their summer vacations and they live

1740
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 8: in Pennsylvania and they're driving to Colorado and they, oh,

1741
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 8: we got to see Notre Dame and they want to

1742
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 8: see the statues. They want to get their picture with

1743
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 8: the new Rodney statue.

1744
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 1: Whatever.

1745
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 8: If you put that indoors, you got to make sure

1746
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 8: the defeated and you know, is going to be open

1747
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 8: all the time for people.

1748
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: You have tours if it's there.

1749
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 8: People like the red Arbox thing in Boston where he's

1750
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 8: on the bench and you can sit next to him

1751
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 8: and he's got the cigar. I mean cool, the coach

1752
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 8: Knight's sitting on the bench and you can get your

1753
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 8: pictures sitting on a bench with him, you know, at

1754
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 8: any time of the year.

1755
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: I think would be the best thing. I know what

1756
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: would be better is if they could do some sort

1757
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: of and I don't know how you would do this.

1758
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 1: And there's a hen Arexi or what he looks like

1759
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: he's dying. J he's losing too much, which you freaking wait,

1760
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 1: you weigh like you weigh you weigh like one toe

1761
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 1: of Joe Staysniak mentioning a greade from days past. That's

1762
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 1: a that's a blessing. Actually right there, they should have

1763
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: a statue where you sit down and then a robotic

1764
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: Bob Knight headbut you you sit on the bench and

1765
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:19,799
Speaker 1: the night comes swooping in a head bikes.

1766
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 8: Or if for fifty dollars, which goes to the foundation.

1767
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,600
Speaker 8: He gets up and he throws the chair to you,

1768
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 8: and then you return it and put it like in

1769
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 8: a gun. And it's like when you're turning the car

1770
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 8: at the airport. We can make some money. By the way, Yes,

1771
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 8: sir pacers. How many people, real quick?

1772
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: How many people in the state of Indiana have told

1773
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: you at some point that they owned the chair that

1774
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: Bob Night threw.

1775
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 8: Oh, I've heard a couple of people say that, No,

1776
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 8: under a fifty it got to be zero. I mean,

1777
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 8: no one knows where it is, right, do you really know?

1778
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 5: No?

1779
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 8: If somebody would know, be you. And if you don't know,

1780
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 8: because you know people. Here's the thing, the chair itself,

1781
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 8: Yeah it was. It was collected back and put back

1782
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 8: on the bench.

1783
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't know. Then at the end of the game,

1784
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 1: it just went in the stack with the regular stack

1785
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: of red chairs. So it is one of those one

1786
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: hundred chairs. And I don't know that anyone. If Tim

1787
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: was there, Tim would have it.

1788
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 8: You're probably right, he would have if one guy would

1789
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 8: know where it is, and I think would be him,

1790
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 8: but I don't think anybody knows where it is.

1791
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: I said this earlier, Eddie, and I'm not saying it

1792
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: to favor you know, to show favoritism here. I have

1793
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 1: been uber impressed this year by the crowds at the

1794
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: Pacer Games, and I think it's because there if if

1795
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: you want to know and if you need to give

1796
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: statement to the NBA that in fact, they are not

1797
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: overtly tanking, even though I think that they are. But

1798
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: it's it's not because they decided at the beginning of

1799
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: the year, you know what, we're just gonna be bad.

1800
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: They're injured, their their their best player is injured, and

1801
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: then their best X factor was also injured at the

1802
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: beginning of the year, and so therefore I think fans

1803
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: understand it. The reason you're getting those fans there is

1804
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: because fans under stand why they're not winning games. Now.

1805
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: Are they now at the point where they are tinkering

1806
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 1: with rotations to put themselves in position to secure that

1807
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: top four? Yes, I truly believe that, But I don't

1808
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: think that they are just saying we're going out and

1809
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: intentionally doing everything we can every night, and if they are,

1810
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 1: who cares. They've earned that right. They've had like literally

1811
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 1: three lottery picks in forty years. They were dealt a

1812
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: terrible hand at the beginning of the season. It got

1813
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: worse as the season went on. They're not trying to lose,

1814
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But what's interesting. I told Steve

1815
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: Simon this. You know, I walk around before the games.

1816
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: I go up upper deck and teys smooth see people.

1817
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 1: And I had a lot of fans.

1818
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 8: Now there are fans that, hey, I'm driving in from

1819
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 8: Bloomington or whatever, and I want us to win. You know,

1820
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 8: I'm paying I want us to win. I get it,

1821
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 8: and we're trying to win. But there's so many fans

1822
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 8: that are like, you know what, I get it. We're

1823
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 8: not going to compete this year. You know, even if

1824
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:51,640
Speaker 8: we got in the play and we're not going to

1825
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 8: win a playing game, right. So we've had a nice

1826
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 8: run lately, we've never had a number one pick. What

1827
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 8: maybe it's our time, so let's get in position to

1828
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 8: maybe get the top pick or two or three or four.

1829
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,640
Speaker 8: And then they said this last year, I had to

1830
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 8: pay for a first round, second round, third round, fourth

1831
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 8: round playoff tickets. There's a lot of money, and I'm

1832
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 8: glad the Colts didn't make the postseason because they didn't

1833
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 8: want to pay for I clearly couldn't afford postseason tickets.

1834
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 8: It would be so cool to not pay for playoff

1835
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 8: tickets for a year and then get the number one pick.

1836
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 8: Halliburton comes back healthy, everybody else's back were contending in

1837
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 8: the East. Let's go right, and you and I we

1838
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 8: don't pay for tickets. We got credentials. And those are

1839
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 8: the real people I mean. I used to yell at,

1840
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 8: not yell at. I get yelled at by Bill Pollion

1841
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 8: when I was at Logo Athletic and we were servicing

1842
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 8: to the NFL teams, and he would go on this

1843
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 8: thing about Colts fans shouldn't scalp their tickets when they

1844
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 8: played the Patriots.

1845
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: I think it's the funniest thing in the world because

1846
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: they set up ticket offices in Tennessee when they drafted

1847
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and then could figure out why Titans fans

1848
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 1: were here.

1849
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 8: Well, I said to him, I can give you the

1850
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 8: names of the people who work with me at Logo seven.

1851
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 8: They don't make much money, but they by your season

1852
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 8: tickets in the upper level, and part of the reason

1853
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 8: they can afford it is that one most popular game,

1854
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 8: whether it's the Steelers or the Patriots, they resell them

1855
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 8: and it helps them to go see the other games.

1856
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 8: Those are your season two. That's the real world, that's

1857
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 8: the season ticket holders. And I see sometimes we don't

1858
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 8: think of those people. And so there are Pacers fans

1859
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 8: who are like, hey, like you said, the crowds have

1860
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 8: been unbelievable. I know, I mean, and the games have

1861
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 8: been competitive. They've been you know, up and down. The one,

1862
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:27,759
Speaker 8: you know, another road game, you know, we're down seventeen.

1863
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 8: We came back to a one point lead the other team.

1864
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 8: The other game we lost, we had the lead, we

1865
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 8: blew it at the end, but we were we were

1866
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 8: close and competitive and high scoring and fun the game

1867
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 8: entertainment speaks for itself. And then they lose and people

1868
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,839
Speaker 8: are walking out going, Okay, you know we're good. Not everybody,

1869
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 8: but some people. So you know, I'm not from here,

1870
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 8: you are. And I do believe that thing about there's

1871
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 8: something different about the state in the sport of basketball.

1872
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 8: And I think because pro basketball has been around here

1873
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 8: so long. AB and NBA I din't people get it,

1874
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 8: like the best thing for my freaking Pacers to win

1875
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 8: a freaking championship is for us to lose this year.

1876
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: That's what they think. I'm telling you. I know they

1877
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:10,719
Speaker 1: were two quarters away. I get it. And I watched

1878
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 1: the b YU game Saturday night and a sugar plum

1879
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: ferry started dancing in my head.

1880
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 8: Man, if you, if I let me ask you, because

1881
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 8: I have this argument with my son, if if the

1882
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 8: Pacers will get the number one pick, is that the

1883
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 8: guy you're taking?

1884
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 1: Undoubted, no doubt. I'm walked out to Provo to loadle.

1885
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: So who's number two?

1886
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 8: There isn't somebody else that I mean, you're eliminating like

1887
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 8: they it was four guys like two months ago was

1888
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 8: four guys.

1889
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: It's a J. Debonson would be my first choice. I

1890
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: have not seen enough of Caleb Wilson, so I'll take

1891
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 1: him out of the equation. Boozer would be my second.

1892
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 8: Peters in my thing, the guy in Kansas is the

1893
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 8: one that there's just questions and and they you know,

1894
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 8: I know, the kid came out and said he has

1895
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 8: some personal things. But when reports I had no reports

1896
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 8: and reports but reports where you're not getting You're you're

1897
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 8: complaining you're not getting your full nil money, and then

1898
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 8: you're saying, I play a half.

1899
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 1: And playing a So I'm taking advancer because he's six',

1900
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: nine he can. Elevate he put it on the. Floor

1901
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: is he the quote unquote. GENERATION i don't know what that,

1902
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 1: means but people say, that so he's trying to. Intelligent he's.

1903
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: Generational that means that if you were to watch for

1904
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 1: an entire, generation he is a player that you say to,

1905
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 1: YOURSELF i don't know That i'll see another one of

1906
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: these for another Thirty.

1907
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 8: Where would he play in the LINE, u let's let's

1908
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 8: play perfect. World we draft him. One haliburton's, Back everybody's.

1909
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 8: Back anybody thinks of pacing a.

1910
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: Contendency tell you on the other, side Because eddie's telling

1911
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: will be three times THAT i got a.

1912
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 8: BREAK i never listened To. EDDIE i don't listen To

1913
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 8: eddie in the postgame. Show why the hell are you

1914
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 8: listening to?

1915
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: HIM i Know eddie tells me that when he yawns

1916
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: and he's LIKE i was on the air till one

1917
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: thirty Because Eddie white wouldn't shut. Up we'll take okak

1918
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 1: receas And i'll tell you exactly when me come back

1919
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: where aj demansa fits And Scott agne is coming up

1920
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 1: two o'clock as.

1921
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 8: Well something they never say about me is he's too.

1922
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 8: Skinny he's too freaking. Skinny JAY v looks, good but

1923
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 8: he's but he looks like he looks.

1924
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: YOUNG i.

1925
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 8: Know but but you look like you're. Ill but he

1926
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 8: looks good, THOUGH i, mean we look like we're. Dead

1927
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 8: we're The befour. Pictures he's, like, now you know what

1928
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 8: like you look you look dead in this. Regard, Well i'm.

1929
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: Old well you look dead in this regard when when

1930
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: people pass and you go and you look at him

1931
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: and they cake on that, makeup you kind of look

1932
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: at that because of THE i mean the fake tan

1933
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:14,640
Speaker 1: in the and the.

1934
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 8: BELEACH i just spent a week In naples with my,

1935
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 8: mom was in a home with, dementia and so that's

1936
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 8: where the tank comes.

1937
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: From But I'm i'm, old And i'm going to, mean

1938
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: were you visiting your mom or were you on the? Beach?

1939
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 8: OH i read in the, morning do my work by

1940
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 8: my sister's, Pool go do lunch every day with the,

1941
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 8: people then go back to the, pool go, dinner with

1942
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 8: my mother and go back and have to and take

1943
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 8: my relatives at. DINNER i did it for six. Days

1944
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 8: the only TIME i get away Is All star. Break

1945
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 8: dinner's at four. O'clock, right dinner's at four. O'clock, no,

1946
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 8: NO i HAD i had to be to Get rosie

1947
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 8: at four or forty. Five and then at dinner when.

1948
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: You get, salad the baked potato and a. STEAK i

1949
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 1: had to cut it because she had.

1950
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 8: To i'll tell, you these people who work in homes thak.

1951
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 8: Here these PEOPLE i, know you, know AND i KNOW

1952
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 8: i don't want to get, political but you need people

1953
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 8: to do the. Work and there's a lot of people

1954
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 8: where you AND i grew up they ain't doing that.

1955
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 8: Work AND I i they're. Angels they're they're they're From

1956
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 8: haiti and their Angel.

1957
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: No you're, right and actually you are correct because my

1958
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 1: dad a lot of people that help him out Are

1959
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 1: haitian and not from loves. Them, yeah and my mom

1960
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: is she's in and. Out but it's just it's. Sad

1961
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 1: how old you? Mom? Ninety, yeah it's a it's a you.

1962
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: Know And, EDDIE i don't Know i've learned, THIS i you,

1963
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: KNOW i don't know whether or. Not do you reach

1964
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:43,560
Speaker 1: a certain age where AND i get the? Dementia you

1965
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 1: know this is all beyond my intellectual. Capability but does

1966
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: it just happen naturally and invariably when you reach a

1967
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,799
Speaker 1: certain age that things where clarity becomes an? Issue?

1968
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 8: Right you see people some people get it in the,

1969
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 8: sixties you know. What some people are ninety and their

1970
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 8: sharp AS i. KNOW i, mean it's just you, know

1971
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 8: we just had a kid from OUR i WISH i

1972
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 8: forgot his name from our you, know the dunk team that. Entertains,

1973
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 8: YEAH i saw that they lost a, member, right, yeah

1974
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 8: he Had he had, lupus and then it led to

1975
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 8: his heart and it led to something, else and he

1976
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 8: passed at twenty. Nine this is a kid that a

1977
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 8: year ago is in tremendous, shape dunking basketballs, off jumping

1978
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 8: out the.

1979
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: Thing and you always joke about that.

1980
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 8: Great, philosopher Not socrates or playto But Crocodile, dundee who

1981
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 8: once said about, life this ain't address. Rehearsal you had

1982
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 8: a challenge with. It i'm a cancer. Survivor we're not

1983
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 8: gonna be around. Forever we could be gone. Tomorrow and

1984
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 8: that's why you gotta Get you, Know I'm, italian which is,

1985
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 8: Great Mikey gray known as T, rex that's. IT i

1986
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:47,640
Speaker 8: think you You I'm, italian SO i cry, Easy i'm,

1987
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 8: Emotional i'm a, Hugger i'm a touch or whatever. That

1988
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 8: And i'm GLAD i am BECAUSE i think you got

1989
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 8: to live every day like at your last and just

1990
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 8: get something out of it and have fun with. It

1991
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 8: LIKE i wanted to come over and see PEOPLE i

1992
01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 8: haven't seen in a year THAT i, were you, know

1993
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 8: known over thirty years at work in THE, nfl And

1994
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 8: i'm seeing. People But i'm GLAD i did because who.

1995
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 8: Knows Like Gil brand's not here this, year he's. Dead

1996
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 8: Mike gornstein's not here this, year he's. Dead there's friends

1997
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 8: of mine THAT i used to see every year here they're.

1998
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 8: GONE i went up to the Last Notre dame football

1999
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 8: game this year BECAUSE i had not One, saturday had

2000
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 8: nothing to. Do they gave me a press box that a.

2001
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 8: Pass they put my Name Eddie white Sid. Emeritis WHAT

2002
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 8: i like. THAT i walk in the press box And

2003
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,640
Speaker 8: i'm looking. Around there's not one person THAT i. Recognize

2004
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 8: people either retired or dead, Right and it's like, HELL i,

2005
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 8: mean you think you're gonna be around, forever and you know.

2006
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 8: Tomorrow it's weird to become the older, guard isn't?

2007
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 1: It oh it's.

2008
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 8: RIDICULOUS i gotta go get a shot tomorrow in my

2009
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 8: back that hopefully helps me, walk Because i'm starting to

2010
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 8: get WHERE I the word was used, debilitating WHICH i

2011
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 8: don't like that. Word So i'm getting. OLD i got

2012
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 8: a tritus. Cancers generational can't hear in The i'm not.

2013
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 8: Generational i'm near. Dead you can't hear in the left, Here?

2014
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 8: Eddie next time you got to Tell Eddie white to shut?

2015
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 1: Up do it in the right or? Not the last

2016
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: you tell me when we came. Back, yeah, yes NOW

2017
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: i forget what it. WAS i was gonna tell you.

2018
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 1: Though it was the starting lineup for The. Pacers. NEXT i,

2019
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: think here's the, thing And i'll do It. Briefly you

2020
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 1: were asking where Aj debontsa would fit in if that

2021
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: was who for, example to. Pick to, ME i look

2022
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: at it AND i, say, okay they were two quarters

2023
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: from AN nba. Title that group still is young enough

2024
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: and played with enough fluidity in pace That i'm willing

2025
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: to run that back. Right agree with? You your center

2026
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 1: leaves and goes To. Milwaukee so you find the replacement In,

2027
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 1: zubots but you have to give Up matherin for. That

2028
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 1: So demansa just slides in and Becomes matherin's role in,

2029
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 1: minutes meaning occasional spot, starter but for the most, part

2030
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: off the bench eighteen quality, minutes some, points some wing,

2031
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:44,639
Speaker 1: defense that's.

2032
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 8: His role For now you have him coming off the,

2033
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 8: BENCH i would Cause so let, me let, me let

2034
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 8: me make your dream even. Better so imagine the first

2035
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 8: time out And, carlisle this was last, year not this.

2036
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 8: Year he's not able to do. It how energized did

2037
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 8: we all get when we Saw obi top and get

2038
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,839
Speaker 8: up AND tj McConnell get up and go to the scorers.

2039
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,719
Speaker 8: TABLE i, mean you knew it was happening Because obi

2040
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 8: Makes obie really makes.

2041
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: It now It's, OBIE tj and your. Guy and that's

2042
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 1: not to say that you you couldn't upgrade your but to,

2043
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: me if it ain't broke, right don't fix it.

2044
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 8: Right and so he goes on the court with those two,

2045
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 8: characters and this is your second. Unit we could be

2046
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 8: tough shepherd there as, well and Then, huff, absolutely we.

2047
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 1: Could be really. Tough we can be till we getting back.

2048
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 1: In but it's going to. Be here's the, thing, Man

2049
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be next. Season it's gonna be the

2050
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 1: year after that BECAUSE i think you got to get

2051
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 1: time For haliburton to, Reacclimate regel figure out where he.

2052
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 1: Is did you just hear.

2053
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 8: Issues i'm not guaranteed next, Week SO i, mean let's

2054
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 8: let's get let's win next. Year, OKAY i can't afford another.

2055
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 8: Year i'm getting up. There you're the one with the new.

2056
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 8: Heart you're the one that's good for another twenty five.

2057
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 8: Years Poor, shannon does she know she gets to put

2058
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 8: up at your crap for another twenty five.

2059
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 1: Years she's gonna be the one. BABYSITTING i got news for, you,

2060
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: Right i'll see it, tonight coming, night or, NO i

2061
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 1: am coming. Tonight don't injure, yourself by the, way when

2062
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 1: you get up and walk out. HERE i don't want

2063
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: you tripping over any of the. NATION i don't have

2064
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 1: to trip. It it happens. Naturally all, RIGHT i will be.

2065
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 1: THERE i never see you. Again it was nice knowing.

2066
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: You Question Eddie white's memorial Interview.

2067
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 5: Eddie White joining Us here we come Back Scott Agnstel.

2068
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 1: Jones we'll get back into The pacers and what to

2069
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 1: expect tonight with The philadelphia seventy six ers in. Town

2070
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: Courtney cronin coming From chicago at two point thirty here

2071
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 1: from The, Combine Indiana Convention center on the. Fan so

2072
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: here's the. Scene let me set the scene for you

2073
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 1: right now at The. Combine, Now Brandon christall From denver

2074
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 1: is behind me. FURIOUSLY i don't. Know he's helping out,

2075
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: somebody just putting together. Wires he's got an event upcoming

2076
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 1: that we'll talk to him about here probably at some.

2077
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 1: Point this Is Brandon Cristal's christmas, week along With Kevin

2078
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 1: bowenes Now Matt, taylor and it appears as the cults

2079
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 1: have delivered food because they're all over Eating. Seattle appear

2080
01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 1: is the so far The seahawks the only friend not

2081
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 1: here from WHAT i can tell by looking. Around but

2082
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:07,719
Speaker 1: when you are at The scott And combine here On Radio.

2083
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 1: ROW i mentioned this, earlier but for those that are

2084
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 1: listening that are, curious we're in one of the big

2085
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 1: convention halls at the convention. Center and if you were

2086
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 1: to basically think of the if you were looking down

2087
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,640
Speaker 1: on it from a bird's eye, view if it were

2088
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 1: a football, field if you were to put a blue

2089
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 1: curtain down and say the twenty five yard line and

2090
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 1: the left Hand so the first twenty five yards of

2091
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 1: the field is where we are with radio row and

2092
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: that consists of radio stations from different markets around THE,

2093
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: nfl the country of THE. Nfl i'm next, to like

2094
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 1: Say cleveland. Station and then each and every franchise has

2095
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 1: also their own in house media people here and so

2096
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: there are tables all over the. Place right behind me

2097
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 1: is eight TEN Whb and Now i'm not sure where

2098
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:00,679
Speaker 1: eight TEN whb, is but the Fellow's Kansas, City Kansas.

2099
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:05,680
Speaker 1: City jamb just, said what'd you, Say. Eddie by the,

2100
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: WAY i thought it Was. Chicago now he, said It's

2101
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:14,640
Speaker 1: Kansas city right behind. Me so at any, rate it

2102
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 1: is a packed, house to say the. Least and then

2103
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 1: the other side is the player interview podiums where all

2104
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 1: of you, know when you see player interviews and. Comments

2105
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 1: Fanana mendoza will be speaking On, friday and you'll see

2106
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: plenty of snippets from The indiana quarterback when that takes.

2107
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: Place and that's right on the other. Side the other

2108
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 1: seventy five yards of the, field if you. Will but

2109
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 1: tonight It's pacers and seventy six ers that is taking

2110
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: place At gambridge Field. House and joining us now From

2111
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 1: Fieldhouse files to talk about. That he is on The

2112
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 1: Java House Colebrew coffee guest. Line he Is Scott. Agnes,

2113
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: Scott i'll begin with this before we get into the game.

2114
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 1: Itself i've Known Ryan carr a long. Time i've known

2115
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 1: him since we were neighbors slash roommates in college and

2116
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 1: we have been friends for a very long. Time AND i, Know,

2117
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 1: oh for those that are, unaware he has held a

2118
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: number of different roles for The pacers, organization Notably Vice

2119
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 1: president Of Player, personnel which is the most recent title

2120
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:12,799
Speaker 1: that he's. Had but his last day will Be sunday

2121
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 1: because he is now going to be the general, manager

2122
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 1: reporting To Darren debries Of Indiana University. Basketball were you,

2123
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 1: Surprised scott by that news and what do you think

2124
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 1: it means organizationally for The.

2125
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 4: Pacers, yeah good, Afternoon.

2126
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,560
Speaker 7: JAKE i think number, ONE i was not surprised in

2127
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 7: THAT iu went this. Way it's what we've seen so

2128
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 7: many different colleges do across the. Country some are a

2129
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 7: little bit more in terms of just waving the flag

2130
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 7: for the, team like With Steph, CURRY i, think and

2131
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 7: some other players have gotten, involved but especially With nil

2132
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 7: and especially as agents have more of an influence and

2133
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 7: an impact at the collegiate, level and there are so

2134
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 7: many different pieces to. It you needed to go to

2135
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 7: THE gm. Route SO i actually wrote about it a

2136
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 7: year ago with some names. In Ryan carr was a

2137
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 7: top the, list AND i wasn't Surprised jake from his stam,

2138
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 7: point because you AND i both know he loves. Eye

2139
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 7: you just goes back anytime. Possible is always at the you,

2140
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 7: know the annual combine thing that they hold for the

2141
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 7: players there to show them off before the, season and

2142
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 7: such is still held and well great. Regard there has

2143
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 7: a relationship With Scott, dolson who's also a, manager and

2144
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 7: SO i think it's a new fresh. Opportunity and we've

2145
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:28,639
Speaker 7: seen so many places across the country the one pole

2146
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 7: you have in sports is back to your, college AND

2147
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 7: i think that's what happened here With ryan and he's

2148
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 7: gonna have a lot of, influence you.

2149
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 1: Know The it's this sounds so weird to Say scott

2150
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 1: is part of that salary cap management if you. WILL

2151
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,639
Speaker 1: i mean, honestly if you are working for a big

2152
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 1: Time division, One big ten program and you have nil

2153
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 1: money and portal and whatever, else is part of that

2154
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 1: just determining from one year to the next when and

2155
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: where they need to spend their.

2156
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 9: Money, YEAH i think it's a huge part of.

2157
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 7: It there's there's the high school, aspect obviously it's always been,

2158
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 7: there but it also goes to the, transfer, portal international

2159
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 7: or you, know market and trying to expand what you're

2160
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:11,560
Speaker 7: doing on that. Front and then you're absolutely, right is

2161
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 7: the nil, budget it's it's working, relationships it's there's not

2162
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 7: an Agent jake That ryan can't. Call and on the other,

2163
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 7: side for players that are there and are maybe curious

2164
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:24,360
Speaker 7: about where they stack, up should they, go should they.

2165
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 7: Not there's not a team That ryan can't call and, say,

2166
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 7: here here's the, president here's what he thinks about your,

2167
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 7: game or here's their head scout that has watched you

2168
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 7: play several. Times and so from both sides recruiting players

2169
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 7: and once they are, there the way in which he

2170
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:40,839
Speaker 7: can help them is another way he can be an asset.

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01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 1: Quickly, okay let's get to the Pacer scott in terms

2172
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 1: of this matchup, tonight do we know? Yet and this

2173
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,639
Speaker 1: is always this has become the fun thing to watch

2174
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 1: each and every. Game do we know yet who's in

2175
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 1: and who's out for? Tonight not.

2176
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 7: Exactly we Know siakam is. Doubtful he has a new

2177
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 7: injury at a left's wrist, Sprain so that's new and. Noteworthy,

2178
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 7: no it's. Legit i'm told it's. Legit, yes absolutely it.

2179
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 7: Was i'll Fall i'll put it on you this.

2180
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 1: WAY i don't Dispute scott that that that injury is, Legit,

2181
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: Okay but you, know if this, was if there are

2182
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 1: two games back for the two seed in The, east is?

2183
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 1: It does it keep him? Out you know WHAT i?

2184
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 1: Mean that's my. Thing that's.

2185
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 9: Fair you absolutely AND I.

2186
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 1: I've got no problem with. It don't get me. WRONG

2187
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:28,920
Speaker 1: i have no problem with.

2188
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 9: It, yeah And i'm with you as. Well but you

2189
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:33,600
Speaker 9: do take a more cautious approach here eron N.

2190
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:34,720
Speaker 1: Smith we know he is.

2191
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 7: Out we still will not See zubach FOR i think

2192
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 7: a couple of. Weeks Nie, smith at least through the

2193
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 7: end of the. Week Rick carlisle does not expect to

2194
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 7: see him so on the main front here you Have

2195
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 7: Cam jones as well As Micah potter who are probable

2196
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 7: in the two point.

2197
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:51,680
Speaker 9: GUARDS. Tj McConnell And Andrew nimhardt are questionable for.

2198
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 1: Tonight, Okay, So, Scott i'm going to revisit with you

2199
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 1: something that we have gone over several. Times Scott AGAs

2200
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 1: is my. Guest Field House files is where you can

2201
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: read his work talking about The. Pacers they're an action

2202
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 1: tonight taking On philadelphia as as we have, Gone, like for,

2203
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 1: EXAMPLE i saw yesterday there was essentially your equivalent that

2204
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:18,760
Speaker 1: covers The clippers In Los angeles that was, like how

2205
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 1: is this even? Possible we let this franchise come in

2206
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 1: and take away our franchise center and hold on to

2207
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 1: a potential top four, Pick and now they also have

2208
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 1: a guy In Kobe brown that's playing well for. Them,

2209
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 1: Okay now the QUESTION i have for, You, scott when

2210
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,679
Speaker 1: you look at something like that Of Kobe brown coming

2211
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:42,639
Speaker 1: in and playing well For indiana and being the added

2212
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 1: ten dollars bill found in your pocket when you're doing your,

2213
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:49,080
Speaker 1: laundry is that because they have tapped into something here

2214
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 1: that The clippers had not tapped, into or is it

2215
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 1: simply because they need someone to put up shots in

2216
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 1: play minutes during this, period and then once they're back

2217
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:01,760
Speaker 1: to full, stree he goes back to being what we

2218
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: thought he.

2219
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:05,599
Speaker 7: Was, WELL i think right now We're indiana fans are

2220
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 7: still trying to gauge and get an opinion Of kobe

2221
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 7: right how many fans are staying up to Watch clippers.

2222
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 7: Games but the number one, thing as it comes down

2223
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:16,559
Speaker 7: to anyone is the. Opportunity and he's getting over twenty

2224
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 7: six minutes per. Game the same can be true About

2225
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 7: Jaris Walker jake who scored in double figures in the

2226
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 7: last thirteen. Games, well guess, what he's also playing thirty

2227
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 7: minutes per. Game so he's making the most of the.

2228
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 7: Opportunity and for The clippers, standpoint, look they they did

2229
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:33,640
Speaker 7: not pick Up Kobe brown's option for next, year so

2230
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 7: he was going to be a free. Agent and for

2231
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 7: the last several years we've seen The clippers set themselves

2232
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:42,560
Speaker 7: up for this upcoming free agency to have a lot of.

2233
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 7: Money so they got Off brown's, contract they got off

2234
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 7: Of zubatz's contract as, well and they're playing a little

2235
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 7: bit of a poker, game just like The pacers are

2236
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 7: with those draft, picks it could could go well and if,

2237
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 7: not it could still be an unprotected pick on the

2238
01:45:57,439 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 7: back end of. That SO i think it's worthwhile for

2239
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 7: both of these teams and is working out. Well Ben

2240
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 7: matheren has done. Great, jake and he's not even. HEALTHY

2241
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 7: i DON'T i think fans forget that is he's dealing

2242
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 7: with turf, toe which is going to take several months

2243
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 7: after the season to completely, heal along with that thumb,

2244
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 7: spring the you.

2245
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 1: Know the the aspect of let's go To Jeris. Walker, Yeah,

2246
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:24,719
Speaker 1: SCOTT i said a month, ago you Know ron From Chicago's,

2247
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 1: pizza great, dude and he went to the game with,

2248
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 1: me this probably been two months ago, actually and he

2249
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 1: said something THAT i just thought was such a great.

2250
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: Line he said to, me when is the fog ging

2251
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 1: to lift off Of Jerris? Walker AND i, said, man

2252
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 1: that is such a perfect way of saying, it because

2253
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 1: you could see that there was you could see what

2254
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:46,600
Speaker 1: was there With Jaris, walker but there was always just

2255
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of this limitation of it fully. Blossoming, SCOTT i

2256
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 1: think the fog has, lifted you. KNOW i think if

2257
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 1: there's one benefit that has come from this, year it's

2258
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:02,640
Speaker 1: that now he is playing to me with the fluidity

2259
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 1: that shows that it is instinctual and he's A he

2260
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 1: also has shown THAT i think he's a better passer

2261
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 1: with a better feel THAN i realized. Beforehand QUESTION i

2262
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 1: have for, You, scott is can this level of play

2263
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:19,240
Speaker 1: For Jarris walker continue once he's back out there at

2264
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:22,559
Speaker 1: the pace and with the roster at one hundred percent

2265
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 1: as opposed to those he's playing with right.

2266
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 7: Now, YEAH i think it, Can, jake because right now

2267
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 7: he's more of the focal point right and so just

2268
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 7: imagine when he has lesser defenders on him when there's

2269
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:37,080
Speaker 7: little expectation right versus right, now he might If siakam's

2270
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 7: not out. There he's basically your leading scorer and often

2271
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:42,680
Speaker 7: your leading. Rebounder he's, averaging you, know eleven rebounds over

2272
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 7: the last three, games all, losses and SO i think

2273
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 7: so much of it you can get in your. HEAD i,

2274
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 7: mean it's easy to forget he would be a senior

2275
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:53,040
Speaker 7: in college right. Now he is just twenty two and

2276
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 7: so playing in a different system where a lot things

2277
01:47:57,640 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 7: are being asked from him differently than it was In,

2278
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 7: houston and that was a that took him longer to

2279
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,040
Speaker 7: adapt THAN i think he was prepared. For it took

2280
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:07,439
Speaker 7: him at least a couple of years and so and

2281
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,640
Speaker 7: then now we're seeing, IT i think more offensively and

2282
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 7: his confidence in getting to the rim and trying to

2283
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:13,680
Speaker 7: get free throw. Attempts AND i think he's doing a

2284
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,519
Speaker 7: much better job of, that by the, way but for those,

2285
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 7: reasons for other players that will be able to compliment,

2286
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 7: him and he could come off the. BENCH i think

2287
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:24,679
Speaker 7: he can continue at it at like a twenty minute

2288
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 7: per game clip for.

2289
01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 1: Sure are we going to see this situation for the

2290
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 1: remainder of the, year WHICH i, Understand i'm not hating on,

2291
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:37,000
Speaker 1: it but the kind of game, in game out status

2292
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 1: Of andronimhart moving forward with the lower back injury, MANAGEMENT

2293
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 1: i think is what it's labeled. As but just knowing

2294
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 1: the circumstance and, situation is it going to be an

2295
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 1: inconsistency of Innim heart's. AVAILABILITY i think.

2296
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 7: So that's something he's battled, WITH i think even before this,

2297
01:48:56,840 --> 01:49:01,720
Speaker 7: season just having back pain and, yeah with Especially jake

2298
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 7: the second night of back to, backs that's where we've

2299
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 7: seen them be ultra cautious. About that's in, fact what

2300
01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 7: partially led to that fine That Rick carlisle adamantly disagreed

2301
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 7: with AND i thought was fascinating this morning and explaining

2302
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 7: on this. Station and they're just being ultra cautious with

2303
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:21,679
Speaker 7: all of these, guys which is probably highlighted With toppin

2304
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 7: and With zubots more than.

2305
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 1: Anyone Scott agnes Field house files is where you can

2306
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 1: read his work. Tonight it is The pacers and The

2307
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 1: philadelphia seventy six ers from the Field house and we

2308
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:35,720
Speaker 1: will see who is in and who is out once

2309
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,840
Speaker 1: we get closer to game. Time and, Again Ryan carr

2310
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:42,560
Speaker 1: on his way out from The pacers' front office to,

2311
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:44,360
Speaker 1: go and that's not a bad. THING i, mean that's

2312
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:47,760
Speaker 1: on his own for the opportunity At Indiana. University any word,

2313
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 1: Yet scott on where they will turn or when they

2314
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 1: will have the vacancy For Scott agnes or excuse, me

2315
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:55,599
Speaker 1: For Ryan carr when he does.

2316
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 9: Depart, no nothing new on that. Front i'm glad you asked.

2317
01:49:58,520 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 9: THAT i did want to add to.

2318
01:49:59,479 --> 01:50:02,160
Speaker 7: That my guest is it'll just be more responsibilities for

2319
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 7: two guys that are thought of highly over there from

2320
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,680
Speaker 7: the college. Side, jake It's Mike bourne who has been

2321
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 7: With Chad buchanan And Kevin pritchard for quite a long.

2322
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 7: Time and then on the pro side Is Vance, catlin

2323
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 7: who's been within this program within The pacers for fifteen twenty,

2324
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 7: years and SO i see those two continuing to add

2325
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 7: to their. Responsibilities it's unclear If Kevin pritchett will choose

2326
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 7: to Replace Ryan carr or just fill from.

2327
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 1: Within, eddie you had a, question go, ahead, Yeah.

2328
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 2: Scott, YESTERDAY i know you AND i talked a little

2329
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 2: bit about THE WNBA cba. Negotiations yesterday they announced that

2330
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:40,719
Speaker 2: last year would have been the first time that revenue

2331
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 2: sharing would could, happen revenue payments sharing that could happen

2332
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:45,720
Speaker 2: because of how much money the league.

2333
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:47,040
Speaker 1: Generated how big is that for THE.

2334
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:49,400
Speaker 2: WNBI i know it's like the first, time but that's

2335
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 2: just massive news yesterday for the W.

2336
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 7: Yeah it really, is and everybody's for both, Sides, eddie

2337
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:01,920
Speaker 7: we're seeing we'll out information right because you're trying to

2338
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:04,639
Speaker 7: get to an agreement here and both sides want as

2339
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 7: good a deal as. Possible but in the grand scheme of, things,

2340
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 7: yes having more revenue sharing and a lot of it

2341
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 7: from WHAT i understand was in terms of merchandise and

2342
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 7: how that is, distributed which means more people are buying the,

2343
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:20,600
Speaker 7: product more people are involved in the stuff beyond the

2344
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 7: game even but for the fact that they are making

2345
01:51:23,439 --> 01:51:26,720
Speaker 7: money suggest that that will. Continue and you're going to

2346
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 7: have two more teams added to the fold this year as.

2347
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:31,800
Speaker 7: Well and the number one, Thing eddie is obviously THE

2348
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 7: tv money that'll be. Incoming But march tenth is the soft,

2349
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:38,680
Speaker 7: deadline essentially that THE wnba alerted the players that they

2350
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 7: have to get a deal, done and then it still

2351
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:42,600
Speaker 7: takes a couple of weeks at least for paperwork as.

2352
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 9: Well so no end in sight just.

2353
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 1: Yet so is there any Threat scott IMMINENT i guess

2354
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 1: or legit threat of a workstoppage when it comes to.

2355
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 7: The W i don't think there's any imminent threat by any.

2356
01:51:56,360 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 7: MEANS i, mean a month and a half, AGO i

2357
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 7: think it was the players in bounced that they had

2358
01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 7: agreed they could strike if they felt compelled. To the

2359
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 7: membership had voted in the majority that they could go that.

2360
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 9: Route now they.

2361
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 7: HAVEN'T i, mean last, week for, Example Stephanie, white her coaching,

2362
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 7: staff some team executives were down In miami with some

2363
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 7: of the unrivaled players along With Caitlyn. Clark they can

2364
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 7: work out together all of that because it's carrying on

2365
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 7: from THE. Cba it's just a matter OF i think

2366
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:27,920
Speaker 7: the players wanting to feel, appreciated well, compensated and the

2367
01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 7: owners wanting stability for the.

2368
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 1: Franchises, scott appreciate the time as always Again Pacers, Sixers tonight,

2369
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 1: Coverage fieldhouse files and of course coverage as well on

2370
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 1: THE wnba story as it moves. Along appreciate, It, scott

2371
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 1: you got, It thanks, Guys Scott agnes joining us on

2372
01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 1: The Java House Cole, Bru guestlin and by the, Way

2373
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 1: Java house. Again a reminder if you download The Java

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Speaker 1: house app and then when you order your beverages in

2375
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Speaker 1: any of their locations Including New York, street Downtown. Indianapolis

2376
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Speaker 1: they have one In, broaderpool one in The Simon building,

2377
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 1: downtown up In, carmel in the midtown area Of carmel Clay,

2378
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 1: terrace and in multiple locations In. Lafayette used the app

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01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:07,400
Speaker 1: to order and you're gonna get twenty five percent off

2380
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 1: your order by Using jake twenty five as the discount.

2381
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,519
Speaker 1: Code you Heard scott Reference Rick carlyle talking on The

2382
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 1: Morning show about the find that The pacers and The

2383
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:20,800
Speaker 1: Utah jazz received for the allegation by THE nba of

2384
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:24,560
Speaker 1: tanking or having players removed before a game or not

2385
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:27,879
Speaker 1: playing in a, game and obviously that compromising the integrity

2386
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 1: from THE nba standpoint of the. GAME i wanted to

2387
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:33,799
Speaker 1: replay that for you Because carlisle was and he mentions

2388
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:36,120
Speaker 1: this is really the first time that he has elaborated

2389
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:39,160
Speaker 1: in great. Detail this comes from a game that was

2390
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:42,719
Speaker 1: earlier this year against The Utah, Jazz utah who also

2391
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:45,640
Speaker 1: was fined by the way one hundred thousand dollars for The.

2392
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:47,880
Speaker 1: PACERS i believe it was five hundred thousand for The Utah,

2393
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:54,240
Speaker 1: jazz but either, way the explanation from THE nba on

2394
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 1: why they were finding The pacers one hundred thousand, dollars

2395
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 1: And Rick carlile's interpretation of what that meant in his

2396
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 1: incredulous nature of still grasping it in its. Entirety this

2397
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:09,080
Speaker 1: Is Rick carlisle from this morning when he Joined James,

2398
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 1: Boyd Kevin, bowen And Jeff rickard here on The Fan

2399
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: Morning show talking about the find and his explanation of

2400
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:14,960
Speaker 1: understanding of.

2401
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 3: It, YEAH i you, KNOW i put out a statement about.

2402
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:21,320
Speaker 1: IT i DIDN'T.

2403
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 3: I didn't agree with. It it was there was a

2404
01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:29,400
Speaker 3: there was a league lawyer that was doing the interview

2405
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:33,800
Speaker 3: that kind of unilaterally decided That aaron Need, smith who

2406
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:37,760
Speaker 3: had been injured the night before and couldn't hold the,

2407
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 3: ball should have played in the, game which just seems.

2408
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 3: Ridiculous and during the interview, PROCESS i was not on,

2409
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:53,080
Speaker 3: it BUT i BUT i heard. Details we asked them

2410
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:57,640
Speaker 3: if they wanted to talk to the, doctors our doctors about,

2411
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 3: it because it's something that was documented by our draw

2412
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 3: doctors and.

2413
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: Trainers.

2414
01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 3: Uh they said, no they didn't need. To they talked

2415
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 3: to their doctors who did not Examine Aarony, smith and

2416
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 3: we asked them if they wanted to talk to the,

2417
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:15,840
Speaker 3: kid and they said, no they didn't need.

2418
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:19,880
Speaker 1: To so this was this was.

2419
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 3: Shocking this was shocking.

2420
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:22,080
Speaker 7: To me.

2421
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:24,680
Speaker 4: AND.

2422
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:27,480
Speaker 3: U and during the interview they also asked if we

2423
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 3: considered dedicating him to play in a game when we

2424
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 3: were thirty games under five, Hundred SO i WAS i

2425
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 3: was very, surprised you, know obviously didn't agree with. It

2426
01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 3: this is really the first Time i've gone into any

2427
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 3: detail about. It but that was that was the.

2428
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 1: Deal and so, yeah that was. It that Was Rick

2429
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 1: carlisle this. Morning and you, know to me AND i

2430
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 1: know that we, Have i've spoken a lot about, this

2431
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:07,840
Speaker 1: but it does it's. Frustrating and the reason it's frustrating

2432
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 1: is because you, know there are kind of two. Truths.

2433
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:18,800
Speaker 1: Here are The pacers at this point? Tanking? YEAH i think,

2434
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 1: SO i, do because The pacers aren't. Fools and you know,

2435
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 1: what The pacers have earned. It the pacers have earned that.

2436
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 1: Right they've earned that right because they have gone about.

2437
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:40,600
Speaker 1: It The, pacers realistically as a franchise have been. Screwed

2438
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:45,960
Speaker 1: The pacers got screwed initially by some of the things

2439
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 1: that were necessary to make the transition FROM aba TO

2440
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 1: nba and some of the concessions that had to be

2441
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 1: made in order to do, that and the financial costs

2442
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 1: that came with becoming AN nba. Franchise The pacers got

2443
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:04,280
Speaker 1: screwed in nineteen eighty five when, well actually in nineteen

2444
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:06,760
Speaker 1: eighty three when they had a coin. Flip maybe it

2445
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,080
Speaker 1: was the fault of nothing but, gravity but when they

2446
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:12,000
Speaker 1: had the coin flip For Ralph sampson and they lost

2447
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:14,680
Speaker 1: that coin flip ended up With Steve, steponovitch who was

2448
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:17,240
Speaker 1: a good, player but he was Not Ralph, sampson, who,

2449
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 1: yeah the window might have been, short but he was

2450
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 1: a pretty dynamic player in THE nba in eighty. Five

2451
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 1: they absolutely got screwed on the draft lottery they did

2452
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:29,840
Speaker 1: When Patrick ewing ended up with The. KNICKS i, mean come,

2453
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:33,080
Speaker 1: on there was a huge prize in, that and of

2454
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:35,560
Speaker 1: course it turned out to work, OUT i guess in

2455
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:37,760
Speaker 1: the best favor because the closest That, ewing AND i

2456
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:41,240
Speaker 1: know he did take The knicks to THE Nba finals

2457
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: in ninety, four but you, know kind of the last

2458
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 1: hurrah for The knicks in The ewing era was that

2459
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 1: finger roll bouncing out And Dale davis grabbing that rebound

2460
01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 1: in ninety, Five so maybe there was some karma. There

2461
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,720
Speaker 1: but you, know when When Reggie miller had the eye,

2462
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 1: injury The pacers didn't, say you know, what let's just

2463
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 1: tank the whole. Thing they still scratched and clawed their

2464
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:04,280
Speaker 1: way back into the, playoffs AND i think it Was

2465
01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:07,640
Speaker 1: atlanta they lost to in the first round when the

2466
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:14,320
Speaker 1: brawl took place and THE nba levied their suspensions and

2467
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:17,520
Speaker 1: fines and all of it that went into it from

2468
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 1: THE nba, standpoint AND i DO.

2469
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:20,720
Speaker 2: I.

2470
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:25,280
Speaker 1: UNDERSTAND i understand why the severity of the our suspension

2471
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:27,840
Speaker 1: and O'Neill and we can go back now and get

2472
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,200
Speaker 1: better explanation on a lot of that, stuff AND i get.

2473
01:58:30,240 --> 01:58:33,880
Speaker 1: It but in the moment in, PARTICULAR i totally. Understood

2474
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 1: and yet The pacers when that, happened did not fold

2475
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:40,360
Speaker 1: up ten and, say you know, what we're just blowing

2476
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:42,920
Speaker 1: this thing up and starting from scratch and. Tanking they.

2477
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:47,040
Speaker 1: Didn't they took their. Lumps they went out and Signed

2478
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:49,680
Speaker 1: Britton johnson And germaine folks and other guys like, that

2479
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:52,640
Speaker 1: and they played out their year and then ultimately when

2480
01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 1: our test again demanded the, trade they turned it Into

2481
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 1: pagestayakovic and they did what they. Could they made the

2482
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:03,200
Speaker 1: most of the. Situation and when they've had bad, teams

2483
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:05,520
Speaker 1: and they've had some bad, teams and when they've had

2484
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 1: players defect from, them and they've had players deffect from,

2485
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:11,160
Speaker 1: them The pacers more often than not as a, franchise

2486
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:13,800
Speaker 1: have gotten up and basically just, said, okay we got

2487
01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:17,200
Speaker 1: to brush off and move forward and continue to build

2488
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:20,320
Speaker 1: the right way and continue to go about doing it

2489
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:23,440
Speaker 1: the old fashioned way and taking our lumps and looking

2490
01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 1: in the mirror and learning where we can get better

2491
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:28,480
Speaker 1: and coming back and doing it. Again and they've done,

2492
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 1: that and finally they have the heartbreak of all heartbreaks

2493
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:36,280
Speaker 1: and professional sports of the last five. Years and yet

2494
01:59:36,720 --> 01:59:39,800
Speaker 1: with that still they came out and, yes did anybody

2495
01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:42,240
Speaker 1: plan On Obi toppin getting hurt at the beginning of the,

2496
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:46,120
Speaker 1: year and that is a legitimate? Injury Nie smith and his,

2497
01:59:46,240 --> 01:59:48,280
Speaker 1: injury and Nim hard with his injuries at the beginning

2498
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:50,440
Speaker 1: of the. Year were they more cautious with that because

2499
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:54,440
Speaker 1: of the awareness of the. Circumstance, Yes but even with,

2500
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:57,520
Speaker 1: that if this is the one year after having to

2501
01:59:57,560 --> 01:59:59,600
Speaker 1: make a trade because they got screwed again by a

2502
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:04,520
Speaker 1: center that was departing for a divisional rival that did

2503
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:07,840
Speaker 1: not give them heads up or chance to negotiate with.

2504
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:11,520
Speaker 1: Them so with all of, that they then, said you know,

2505
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:13,720
Speaker 1: what the one thing we have to salvage of all

2506
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:15,680
Speaker 1: this is the chance to end up with a top

2507
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:18,320
Speaker 1: four pick where there are four players that can make

2508
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:21,440
Speaker 1: a huge impact for us right. Away and if they

2509
02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:24,640
Speaker 1: decide that based on, that that means that they're going

2510
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 1: to play more extended minutes to guys that are Maybe

2511
02:00:27,960 --> 02:00:32,600
Speaker 1: FRENCH G league players or round out your roster level,

2512
02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:35,560
Speaker 1: players and that's what they're going. With they've earned that,

2513
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:39,800
Speaker 1: right they've earned. It and if THE nba wants to

2514
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:42,800
Speaker 1: find them one hundred, grand, Fine but where were the

2515
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:45,840
Speaker 1: fines in the past for the other organizations that have done,

2516
02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:49,480
Speaker 1: this not just blatantly but. Habitually and that's been my

2517
02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:54,320
Speaker 1: complaint from day one about it, again it goes back

2518
02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:56,640
Speaker 1: to you got thirty kids in your first grade. Class

2519
02:00:57,400 --> 02:01:00,839
Speaker 1: if you want to give all of them the detention

2520
02:01:01,240 --> 02:01:03,400
Speaker 1: or to sit in the corner for punishment for acting

2521
02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:06,000
Speaker 1: up in, recess that's, Fine but you can't pick and

2522
02:01:06,120 --> 02:01:10,360
Speaker 1: choose which kid actually is playing kickball beyond when he's supposed.

2523
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,680
Speaker 1: To if everybody's running out there like the wild Wild,

2524
02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:17,080
Speaker 1: west when the opportunity presents, itself that's always been my.

2525
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 1: Complaint Courney cronin, is of, course WITH espn out Of

2526
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:23,600
Speaker 1: chicago set to join us here just a couple of,

2527
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:25,400
Speaker 1: minutes we'll get the latest on whether or NOT i

2528
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:27,840
Speaker 1: haven't seen Any hammond radio stations. HERE i don't know

2529
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:30,920
Speaker 1: if there are any radio stations here from the, region

2530
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:33,400
Speaker 1: but we'll find out about all of, it and we'll

2531
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:35,440
Speaker 1: do it on the other. Side as we are here

2532
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:38,360
Speaker 1: at THE Nfl Scouting, Combine Querying company ninety three five

2533
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:43,320
Speaker 1: one to, seven five to the, fan The Scouting, COMBINE

2534
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:47,560
Speaker 1: J j And ve just got up and walked. Away

2535
02:01:47,560 --> 02:01:51,360
Speaker 1: that's Because Courtney cronin has come over From chicago and

2536
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:53,320
Speaker 1: the last time we. Talked i'll be honest with The,

2537
02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:54,960
Speaker 1: courtney and thank you for joining. Us by the, way

2538
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:58,000
Speaker 1: it's nice to see you. Again it's funny because the

2539
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:00,480
Speaker 1: last time we, talked AND i think think both of

2540
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:02,840
Speaker 1: us kind of maybe you more so seriously THAN i

2541
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:06,040
Speaker 1: because you're entrenched in. It but when we brought up

2542
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:11,040
Speaker 1: the discussion about The bears and possible, relocation there was

2543
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:13,840
Speaker 1: kind of this cynicism in it because you're, like, okay

2544
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:16,440
Speaker 1: is this a power? Play and then it seemed like

2545
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:18,040
Speaker 1: all of a, sudden we were getting to the point WHERE,

2546
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:21,120
Speaker 1: whoa maybe this is real With? Hammond and then has

2547
02:02:21,200 --> 02:02:23,920
Speaker 1: the scale moved back again a little? Bit where do we? Stay?

2548
02:02:24,120 --> 02:02:27,000
Speaker 10: YEAH i think when the announcement came out Last, thursday

2549
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:30,960
Speaker 10: people read The governor's, Statement Governor Mike brown's, statement and

2550
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:34,480
Speaker 10: then they read The bear's statement one sounded like gung.

2551
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:36,720
Speaker 10: HO i think the phrase that was used by some

2552
02:02:36,840 --> 02:02:40,440
Speaker 10: people covering the team that read into that was that

2553
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:43,280
Speaker 10: they're the half yard. Line and then The bears put

2554
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:45,520
Speaker 10: out a statement saying they're in their due diligence, phase

2555
02:02:45,640 --> 02:02:49,640
Speaker 10: like they're excited to work With indiana potentially to move

2556
02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:52,360
Speaker 10: but this is what you. Know it was the most

2557
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:56,400
Speaker 10: meaningful step that they had taken in any of the

2558
02:02:56,520 --> 02:02:58,960
Speaker 10: three and a half four years since they purchased land

2559
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:03,440
Speaker 10: In Arlington heights getting a stadium built. Anywhere so it's

2560
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:06,720
Speaker 10: still a very fluid, situation WHICH i think For bears

2561
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:08,640
Speaker 10: fans is frustrating because it's, like can you just put

2562
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:10,720
Speaker 10: a shovel in the, Ground like why is this back and?

2563
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:13,600
Speaker 10: Forth you own the land In Arlington. HEIGHTS i understand

2564
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:16,040
Speaker 10: there's like all this like un sexy talk about property

2565
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:21,040
Speaker 10: tech certainty and being able to get some public tax

2566
02:03:21,120 --> 02:03:23,680
Speaker 10: payer dollars to help you construct the stuff around the,

2567
02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:26,160
Speaker 10: Stadium but as of right, now like the way That

2568
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:29,320
Speaker 10: indiana has positioned itself with the passing Of Senate bill

2569
02:03:29,680 --> 02:03:33,240
Speaker 10: twenty seven last, week like they're ready to move. Forward

2570
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:35,240
Speaker 10: it's just, like are The bears ready to move. Forward

2571
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 10: it does not seem like they're aligned on those.

2572
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:40,200
Speaker 1: Things let me give you the kind of the bad

2573
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:42,800
Speaker 1: albeit analogy THAT i gave last, week and then you

2574
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:45,160
Speaker 1: tell me if there's if you think that this jives

2575
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:48,760
Speaker 1: with where we? Are, okay have you ever Watched? SEINFELD i? Have,

2576
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:53,240
Speaker 1: Okay so there's A seinfeld episode Where jerry And elane

2577
02:03:53,400 --> 02:03:56,120
Speaker 1: see another couple that is about to break, up and

2578
02:03:56,280 --> 02:03:58,440
Speaker 1: they are and they're, like oh, gosh like we both

2579
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:00,640
Speaker 1: have interest in these. People they come up with the

2580
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:02,360
Speaker 1: game plan of simply saying to, them you know, what

2581
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:05,480
Speaker 1: we're there for. You we're there for. You because then

2582
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:07,600
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden those people are ready to move,

2583
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:09,720
Speaker 1: on it's, like you, Know elaine, says we dropped the

2584
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:12,800
Speaker 1: for you and now we're just. There and SO i

2585
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:16,840
Speaker 1: feel Like indiana is basically saying to The, bears if

2586
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:19,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out for you And, arnt, like we're

2587
02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:22,680
Speaker 1: here for, you and and now all of a, Sudden indiana's,

2588
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:27,840
Speaker 1: like maybe actually we're, here. Right but So, INDIANA i

2589
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:30,600
Speaker 1: don't know how, aggressive And i'm not trying to in any,

2590
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:34,400
Speaker 1: way shape or form alleviate. Guilt if you will From indiana.

2591
02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:36,560
Speaker 1: Here but it feels Like indiana was just kind of

2592
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:39,240
Speaker 1: throwing it out, there maybe not even understanding how close

2593
02:04:39,280 --> 02:04:42,640
Speaker 1: it really, was and then oh, wait, wow.

2594
02:04:43,240 --> 02:04:45,720
Speaker 10: They got taken up on their, offer, Right like that's

2595
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:49,120
Speaker 10: how it. Feels and you, know the whole leverage play

2596
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:51,960
Speaker 10: YOU i think it was right around the time of

2597
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,640
Speaker 10: That Green Bay packers, game the second one of the

2598
02:04:54,720 --> 02:04:57,840
Speaker 10: three they played last season Where Kevin warren puts out

2599
02:04:57,880 --> 02:05:01,360
Speaker 10: the statement two days, before or they're playing on That

2600
02:05:01,480 --> 02:05:04,440
Speaker 10: saturday night game they win in, overtime and they've done

2601
02:05:04,520 --> 02:05:07,560
Speaker 10: this thing where they try to capitalize on big momentum

2602
02:05:07,680 --> 02:05:11,040
Speaker 10: with the team to put these stadium announcements out and

2603
02:05:11,160 --> 02:05:14,320
Speaker 10: then to say it's not a leverage play when it

2604
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:17,320
Speaker 10: very clearly was a leverage. PLAY i don't know If

2605
02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:20,040
Speaker 10: indiana sees it this, way but it kind of feels

2606
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:22,320
Speaker 10: like they're being used to be able to get something

2607
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:22,720
Speaker 10: out of.

2608
02:05:22,720 --> 02:05:26,760
Speaker 1: The, stadium and especially when you Consider courtney and you,

2609
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:29,240
Speaker 1: KNOW i don't Know Kevin, warren, right BUT i know.

2610
02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:31,840
Speaker 1: THIS i know that he was with The Big. TEN

2611
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:33,520
Speaker 1: i know that when he was with The Big, ten

2612
02:05:33,680 --> 02:05:38,120
Speaker 1: he was aggressive in you, know expanding the footprint of

2613
02:05:38,120 --> 02:05:40,720
Speaker 1: The big ten and bringing IN ucla AND usc and

2614
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:44,160
Speaker 1: doing things that were unconventional at the time but were

2615
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:46,680
Speaker 1: in the best interest of the financial aspect of the.

2616
02:05:46,760 --> 02:05:49,480
Speaker 1: League and when he came to The, Bears i'm, curious

2617
02:05:50,120 --> 02:05:52,200
Speaker 1: it almost feels like he was hired. IN i, mean

2618
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:55,120
Speaker 1: this is no disrespect to him as the mercenary of

2619
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:57,120
Speaker 1: we're going to bring you in so that you can

2620
02:05:57,200 --> 02:05:58,880
Speaker 1: be the guy to ruffle the feathers and get the

2621
02:05:58,960 --> 02:05:59,680
Speaker 1: dollars where we can.

2622
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:03,880
Speaker 10: Find, well he got the stadium project finalized and built In,

2623
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:08,320
Speaker 10: minneapolis and they saw that as an, opportunity knowing That

2624
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:13,280
Speaker 10: Ted phillips was retiring after forty, years to bring in fresh,

2625
02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:16,760
Speaker 10: perspective fresh. Idea they had never hired anybody outside the,

2626
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:20,040
Speaker 10: family the, mccaskey's The, hollises and Basically Ted phillips was

2627
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 10: a family member because he had been there for so.

2628
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:25,080
Speaker 10: Long they said to, themselves we need to do things.

2629
02:06:25,160 --> 02:06:27,000
Speaker 10: Differently if we want to get a stadium, built we

2630
02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:29,640
Speaker 10: have to think so creatively in ways that we're not

2631
02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:32,080
Speaker 10: capable of doing. SO i don't know if it's as

2632
02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:35,720
Speaker 10: much mercenary as it is somebody who has the expertise

2633
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:38,280
Speaker 10: of doing. It but doing it in a place where the,

2634
02:06:38,440 --> 02:06:42,200
Speaker 10: politics the finances were a lot, different the site was

2635
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:45,000
Speaker 10: a lot. Different they BUILT Us Bank stadium In minneapolis

2636
02:06:45,120 --> 02:06:49,880
Speaker 10: on the site of the Old, dome and that's a

2637
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:53,640
Speaker 10: problem when it comes to the differences between how that

2638
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:56,280
Speaker 10: game plan was executed to what this one's going to

2639
02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:58,800
Speaker 10: be or how they're trying to execute this one in

2640
02:06:58,840 --> 02:06:59,120
Speaker 10: the state Of.

2641
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:02,680
Speaker 1: Illinois it does feel, like and AGAIN i don't mean

2642
02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:04,560
Speaker 1: this is a bad thing about, him but he was

2643
02:07:04,600 --> 02:07:09,879
Speaker 1: brought in for the business acumen as opposed to the football.

2644
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:12,400
Speaker 10: Side, yeah, NO i don't think, that even though he's

2645
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:15,880
Speaker 10: over football. TOO i mean he's the team, president So Ryan,

2646
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:19,880
Speaker 10: poles the general, manager reports to. Him it's still like

2647
02:07:20,120 --> 02:07:23,320
Speaker 10: that's not his. Wheelhouse he's not a talent. Evaluator he's

2648
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:26,600
Speaker 10: here to try to get the business deals. Done but

2649
02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:30,000
Speaker 10: it's kind of a concerning look right now that it's

2650
02:07:30,040 --> 02:07:33,320
Speaker 10: been this many years and it's been back and forth

2651
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:36,320
Speaker 10: every step of the. Way so he gets hired officially

2652
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:39,000
Speaker 10: early twenty twenty, three they close on the land In

2653
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:41,440
Speaker 10: Arlington heights that he was not part of the purchase

2654
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:44,400
Speaker 10: with that Was Ted, phillips the former president of the.

2655
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:48,200
Speaker 10: Team who did not buy the land or or execute

2656
02:07:48,240 --> 02:07:52,080
Speaker 10: this with getting property like it's it's. Backwards they went

2657
02:07:52,120 --> 02:07:55,120
Speaker 10: about this in a really backwards way WHERE i don't

2658
02:07:55,200 --> 02:07:57,000
Speaker 10: know if had they would have had they done this all,

2659
02:07:57,080 --> 02:08:01,240
Speaker 10: over you think that someone with intelligence and a business

2660
02:08:01,320 --> 02:08:05,720
Speaker 10: acumen would, Understand, hey we're a billion dollar. Corporation that's

2661
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:08,160
Speaker 10: what they. Are it's a it's a mom and pop run,

2662
02:08:08,240 --> 02:08:10,680
Speaker 10: team but it is very much a billion dollar. Entity

2663
02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:14,720
Speaker 10: you secured property tax. Certainty you do, that that's like

2664
02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:16,840
Speaker 10: step number, one and they didn't do. That so Then

2665
02:08:17,320 --> 02:08:21,440
Speaker 10: Kevin warren gets in and they're ping ponging back and. Forth, okay,

2666
02:08:21,480 --> 02:08:23,680
Speaker 10: Well Arlington heights is being, difficult so we're gonna go

2667
02:08:23,720 --> 02:08:26,320
Speaker 10: back and focus On. Chicago, Well chicago in the state

2668
02:08:26,360 --> 02:08:28,000
Speaker 10: Of illinois are not gonna give us money to go

2669
02:08:28,120 --> 02:08:30,480
Speaker 10: build the stadium that we want to south Of Soldier

2670
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:33,520
Speaker 10: field because they can't Tear Soldier field down two. Reasons

2671
02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:35,720
Speaker 10: it's a historic landmark and they don't own. It like

2672
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:37,840
Speaker 10: and then going back and. Forth, okay now we're shifting

2673
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:39,760
Speaker 10: our focus back To Arlington. Heights now we're looking at

2674
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:42,280
Speaker 10: some other. Sites now we're looking At. Indiana it's it's,

2675
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:45,680
Speaker 10: Annoying like it's ANNOYING i think FOR i mean even

2676
02:08:45,800 --> 02:08:46,680
Speaker 10: three to four.

2677
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:49,800
Speaker 1: Years remember when The cubs were gonna move To schomberg

2678
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:51,280
Speaker 1: and you know they were going to mean.

2679
02:08:51,480 --> 02:08:53,120
Speaker 10: A, million and they use leverage to be able to

2680
02:08:53,160 --> 02:08:54,720
Speaker 10: get more out of the city Of, chicago to be

2681
02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:56,280
Speaker 10: able to stay and to be able to do the

2682
02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:58,720
Speaker 10: renovations At Wrigley.

2683
02:08:58,800 --> 02:08:59,760
Speaker 5: Field but this Is.

2684
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:04,240
Speaker 10: Enough's, ENOUGH i think is the SENTIMENT i get From

2685
02:09:04,280 --> 02:09:07,800
Speaker 10: bears fans who don't like if you are leaving the

2686
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:10,560
Speaker 10: state because they still are guaranteeing two billion dollars to

2687
02:09:10,680 --> 02:09:13,080
Speaker 10: fund the, project which is a stadium the mixed use

2688
02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:17,600
Speaker 10: development around, it and there are people In illinois who are,

2689
02:09:17,600 --> 02:09:19,440
Speaker 10: saying why are you going to give that business to

2690
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:21,960
Speaker 10: the state Of. Indiana it's no disrespect To, indiana but

2691
02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:25,400
Speaker 10: it's more so like you're in this, state why can't

2692
02:09:25,480 --> 02:09:28,440
Speaker 10: you do it? Here and the issue is the property

2693
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:30,800
Speaker 10: tax certainty is not there right. Now that's a bill

2694
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:32,560
Speaker 10: that's part of a bill that they're trying to pass.

2695
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:35,680
Speaker 10: Through and Is illinois really going to fork over eight

2696
02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:38,080
Speaker 10: hundred and fifty million the estimated amount for all of

2697
02:09:38,120 --> 02:09:40,520
Speaker 10: the construction around the? STADIUM i. DON'T i don't think. So,

2698
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:42,440
Speaker 10: like let's think about.

2699
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:42,480
Speaker 1: THIS.

2700
02:09:42,680 --> 02:09:44,920
Speaker 10: Jb prinzer is going to run for president in twenty

2701
02:09:45,080 --> 02:09:46,960
Speaker 10: twenty eight and The democratic. Ticket he wants to be

2702
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:48,880
Speaker 10: the guy to SAY i stood up to the. Billionaires

2703
02:09:49,120 --> 02:09:51,480
Speaker 10: that's how he's going to try to win that, ticket.

2704
02:09:51,200 --> 02:09:53,440
Speaker 1: You know, What accordey and not To AND i realize

2705
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:55,640
Speaker 1: it gets in his slippery slope with the political. Church Courtney,

2706
02:09:55,680 --> 02:09:58,240
Speaker 1: cronin by the, way my guest FROM espn and based

2707
02:09:58,280 --> 02:10:03,120
Speaker 1: out Of chicago and went To. Indiana so BUT i

2708
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:07,680
Speaker 1: think that there are a lot of people the sentiment to,

2709
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:10,920
Speaker 1: me it seems country wide almost feels like with pro,

2710
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:15,320
Speaker 1: sports that people are like, enough, yeah, enough, right we

2711
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:19,920
Speaker 1: have bigger fish to fry than to consistently constantly be

2712
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:23,440
Speaker 1: putting more in the hopper for because now we need

2713
02:10:23,560 --> 02:10:25,680
Speaker 1: nine hundred luxury box suits instead of eight hundred and,

2714
02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:26,160
Speaker 1: eighty you know WHAT i.

2715
02:10:26,200 --> 02:10:31,080
Speaker 10: Mean in a state Like kansas really raked everybody over

2716
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:33,480
Speaker 10: the coals with what the seventy thirty split that they're

2717
02:10:33,480 --> 02:10:35,600
Speaker 10: allegedly trying to push through to get the chiefs over

2718
02:10:35,640 --> 02:10:38,160
Speaker 10: there when the, cheat when the state Of kansas is

2719
02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:43,160
Speaker 10: saying we'll pay the majority of, This like there's teams

2720
02:10:43,160 --> 02:10:44,600
Speaker 10: around the league that are, like, well why are they

2721
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:47,360
Speaker 10: getting that luxury when it feels like there's an entitlement

2722
02:10:47,480 --> 02:10:53,520
Speaker 10: element from teams that feel with stadiums and the business

2723
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:55,840
Speaker 10: and the economic impact that teams have that they are

2724
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:59,960
Speaker 10: entitled to. That, however like we know that stadiums are

2725
02:11:00,120 --> 02:11:03,600
Speaker 10: not a good use of public taxpayer, dollars and that's common.

2726
02:11:03,720 --> 02:11:06,080
Speaker 10: Sense but like the, tea it wasn't for a long.

2727
02:11:06,120 --> 02:11:07,560
Speaker 1: Time everybody was, like we got to do, it we

2728
02:11:07,640 --> 02:11:08,040
Speaker 1: gotta do it.

2729
02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:10,160
Speaker 10: Now now NOW i think that all the studies that

2730
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:12,160
Speaker 10: have been done on like what does this actually do

2731
02:11:12,440 --> 02:11:15,560
Speaker 10: for the. Community it's that's it's why That Kansas City

2732
02:11:15,640 --> 02:11:19,320
Speaker 10: chiefs thing is so jarring that that's what is being proposed.

2733
02:11:18,960 --> 02:11:21,280
Speaker 5: Right nowhead, right you know WHAT i.

2734
02:11:21,320 --> 02:11:23,320
Speaker 10: MEAN i mean to go across state lines like fifteen.

2735
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:25,560
Speaker 1: Miles by the, way you have a big event coming

2736
02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:28,680
Speaker 1: up tonight at Tavern On south, right six o'clock, tonight

2737
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:29,360
Speaker 1: six o'clock.

2738
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:31,960
Speaker 10: Tonight it's the women of THE Nfl Combine Happy, hours

2739
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:35,600
Speaker 10: our eighthier doing. It it's my favorite part Of Combine

2740
02:11:35,640 --> 02:11:37,760
Speaker 10: week when the people at Tavern on The south have

2741
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:40,480
Speaker 10: been like since the beginning of this in twenty. Nineteen

2742
02:11:40,560 --> 02:11:44,040
Speaker 10: they're so generous with their, resources generous with their, space

2743
02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:47,240
Speaker 10: And i'm really excited that all the new faces THAT

2744
02:11:47,320 --> 02:11:50,040
Speaker 10: i see roaming around the combine, here like it's nice

2745
02:11:50,080 --> 02:11:52,760
Speaker 10: to know we will have a bigger crew once.

2746
02:11:52,800 --> 02:11:55,160
Speaker 1: Again so what is exactly the event and what was

2747
02:11:55,240 --> 02:11:56,000
Speaker 1: the genesis of?

2748
02:11:56,080 --> 02:12:00,440
Speaker 10: This so the event is an informal networking session between

2749
02:12:01,280 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 10: women who are here working much like. Myself but it's

2750
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:06,920
Speaker 10: not just. Journalists it's not just people you see on radio.

2751
02:12:07,000 --> 02:12:10,840
Speaker 10: Row it's nutritionists for, teams it's, trainers it's, coaches it's

2752
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:17,120
Speaker 10: league office, employees, agents marketing, people people who you. Know

2753
02:12:17,240 --> 02:12:20,560
Speaker 10: college football is here in droves this. YEAR i feel

2754
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:23,040
Speaker 10: LIKE i have never seen the college football presence from

2755
02:12:23,080 --> 02:12:25,800
Speaker 10: like the front office, perspective because we never had. That

2756
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:30,440
Speaker 10: so it's a chance for networking for. Allyship and WHAT

2757
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:33,960
Speaker 10: i really appreciate about it is like the genesis of

2758
02:12:34,040 --> 02:12:37,040
Speaker 10: it was back in twenty, nineteen because my first combine

2759
02:12:37,080 --> 02:12:39,960
Speaker 10: was twenty. EIGHTEEN i was covering The vikings twenty seventeen,

2760
02:12:40,040 --> 02:12:45,200
Speaker 10: season like whirlwind season had like no break because The

2761
02:12:45,320 --> 02:12:47,200
Speaker 10: Super bowl was In minneapolis WHERE i, lived SO i

2762
02:12:47,200 --> 02:12:50,280
Speaker 10: went right FROM Nfc championship The vikings, Lose i'm covering

2763
02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:52,040
Speaker 10: The Super, bowl and then it's like, boom you're here

2764
02:12:52,080 --> 02:12:54,120
Speaker 10: at the. Combine AND i didn't know how to navigate.

2765
02:12:54,160 --> 02:12:56,560
Speaker 10: THIS i didn't know how to navigate literally this radio

2766
02:12:56,720 --> 02:12:58,720
Speaker 10: row to the interviews to all of, that to like

2767
02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:01,440
Speaker 10: the nighttime stuff where you're out you're trying to create.

2768
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:06,800
Speaker 10: Sources SO i took an idea from The National association

2769
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:08,880
Speaker 10: Of Black. Journalists they always had a dinner here and

2770
02:13:09,040 --> 02:13:12,760
Speaker 10: be organized by whoever their chapterhead was or. President AND

2771
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:15,440
Speaker 10: i was, like that's, Cool like that organization's getting. Together

2772
02:13:15,800 --> 02:13:18,120
Speaker 10: what if we just did something For we're not like an,

2773
02:13:18,200 --> 02:13:21,680
Speaker 10: organization but it's you, KNOW i was, like what about for,

2774
02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:23,840
Speaker 10: everybody all women that are, Here, like let's just all

2775
02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:26,200
Speaker 10: get a chance to get together and meet each. Other

2776
02:13:26,280 --> 02:13:28,320
Speaker 10: so there were like thirty to forty people the first,

2777
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:31,800
Speaker 10: year and now like right now we're like right around like,

2778
02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:34,720
Speaker 10: capacity right around two, fifty which is OF. Rsvp so

2779
02:13:34,800 --> 02:13:35,800
Speaker 10: it's very, exciting is?

2780
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:38,960
Speaker 1: It AND i mean this in the most respectful. WAY

2781
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:43,200
Speaker 1: i Hope i'm not overstating something, Here, okay is it

2782
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:47,120
Speaker 1: for you more comfortable being a female in what is

2783
02:13:47,240 --> 02:13:52,600
Speaker 1: still a predominantly male oriented business than it was seven years.

2784
02:13:52,640 --> 02:13:54,760
Speaker 10: AGO i think we're getting. THERE i think there's been

2785
02:13:54,760 --> 02:13:55,520
Speaker 10: a lot of progress.

2786
02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:57,680
Speaker 1: Made and is that presumptive of me to think that

2787
02:13:57,760 --> 02:13:59,000
Speaker 1: that would be something you're aware?

2788
02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:00,840
Speaker 10: Of, no not at, all BECAUSE i think that is

2789
02:14:01,000 --> 02:14:03,280
Speaker 10: like the part of the the reason you do these

2790
02:14:03,400 --> 02:14:06,240
Speaker 10: things is to create more. Representation LIKE i know there's

2791
02:14:06,240 --> 02:14:08,520
Speaker 10: certain people on the airwaves In indianapolis who don't like

2792
02:14:08,600 --> 02:14:12,160
Speaker 10: to hear about, that but women are, here women are in,

2793
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:14,960
Speaker 10: sports women are in, football and they're not going. Anywhere

2794
02:14:16,360 --> 02:14:19,960
Speaker 10: but it's it's an exciting time because Any LIKE i

2795
02:14:20,080 --> 02:14:21,480
Speaker 10: like seeing the people who have been there from the,

2796
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:24,040
Speaker 10: beginning the people who have helped me continue on this.

2797
02:14:24,160 --> 02:14:26,720
Speaker 10: Event WHAT i really like to see are the new,

2798
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:30,400
Speaker 10: faces the people who email ME dm, Me HEY i

2799
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:33,320
Speaker 10: HEARD i saw your flyer in the convention. CENTER i

2800
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:37,120
Speaker 10: heard about this because somebody passed along your invite. Online

2801
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:40,520
Speaker 10: CAN i? Come and the answer is always, yes because

2802
02:14:41,320 --> 02:14:44,280
Speaker 10: the more of us there, are the better chance there

2803
02:14:44,320 --> 02:14:47,280
Speaker 10: will be for you, know women to break into really

2804
02:14:47,320 --> 02:14:50,520
Speaker 10: impactful roles in whatever their respective industry. Is in any

2805
02:14:50,600 --> 02:14:53,520
Speaker 10: corner of, football like there's there's progress being made and

2806
02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:55,520
Speaker 10: so to like be a small part of, IT i

2807
02:14:55,960 --> 02:14:58,480
Speaker 10: that's it brings me a lot OF i feel like

2808
02:14:58,640 --> 02:15:00,080
Speaker 10: a lot of gratitude that comes along.

2809
02:14:59,880 --> 02:15:01,720
Speaker 1: WITH i just, think you, know it won't be long

2810
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:04,600
Speaker 1: before the hospitality taxes you're paying each time that you come.

2811
02:15:04,520 --> 02:15:07,000
Speaker 10: And do the go to The Bears stadium is like.

2812
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:10,600
Speaker 10: Percent what's the innkeeper? Tax that's one of my? Favorites

2813
02:15:10,720 --> 02:15:11,920
Speaker 10: is it still a?

2814
02:15:12,160 --> 02:15:12,320
Speaker 5: Thing?

2815
02:15:12,440 --> 02:15:17,120
Speaker 1: Apparently you Know indianapolis for a period, THERE i believe

2816
02:15:17,160 --> 02:15:19,880
Speaker 1: it Was, Indianapolis New York, city And Las vegas where

2817
02:15:19,880 --> 02:15:22,960
Speaker 1: the three cities with the highest hospitality tax in the

2818
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:25,560
Speaker 1: country for, hotels and it was because Of Lucas Oil. Stadium, yeah,

2819
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:29,360
Speaker 1: right so you know We're i've lost track of all the, taxes.

2820
02:15:29,120 --> 02:15:31,320
Speaker 10: Yeah that go into it and The Lucas Oil stadium

2821
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:33,840
Speaker 10: like that model for how they built that for The

2822
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:36,800
Speaker 10: colts what late early twenty ten's late.

2823
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:39,560
Speaker 1: Two, thousand like, oh seven to.

2824
02:15:39,920 --> 02:15:42,400
Speaker 10: Nine, YEAH i REMEMBER i was like just getting TO

2825
02:15:42,520 --> 02:15:45,040
Speaker 10: iu when that stadium was in the process of like

2826
02:15:45,400 --> 02:15:47,320
Speaker 10: when THE Rca doom had closed and that one was almost.

2827
02:15:47,360 --> 02:15:49,840
Speaker 10: Built like that's the model they're trying to use here

2828
02:15:49,960 --> 02:15:55,400
Speaker 10: with like various public taxpayer dollars to fund a similar construction.

2829
02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:56,760
Speaker 10: Effort AND i, MEAN i don't.

2830
02:15:56,760 --> 02:15:57,520
Speaker 1: KNOW i Love Lucas.

2831
02:15:57,560 --> 02:15:59,680
Speaker 10: OIL i think it's a beautiful, stadium like The bears

2832
02:15:59,720 --> 02:16:00,640
Speaker 10: would be lucky to play in.

2833
02:16:00,680 --> 02:16:02,960
Speaker 1: Something my only thing With Lucas oils is too, cavernous

2834
02:16:03,480 --> 02:16:05,920
Speaker 1: you think. That, Yeah And i'm a little bit biased

2835
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:08,240
Speaker 1: Because i'm coming off of THE rca on which had

2836
02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:10,280
Speaker 1: a lot more intimacy to it because you're, small you,

2837
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:10,680
Speaker 1: know it's more.

2838
02:16:10,720 --> 02:16:12,640
Speaker 10: Compact, YEAH i had never, been but Like i'd only

2839
02:16:12,760 --> 02:16:14,440
Speaker 10: been To Lucas oil For indiana.

2840
02:16:14,520 --> 02:16:16,240
Speaker 1: GAME i worry if we all have to get out

2841
02:16:16,240 --> 02:16:18,920
Speaker 1: Of Lucas Oil stadium, simultaneously if there's some sort of,

2842
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:19,760
Speaker 1: disaster it'll take.

2843
02:16:19,800 --> 02:16:22,720
Speaker 10: Forever all that's an issue With Soldier field right.

2844
02:16:22,720 --> 02:16:25,560
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah Soldier field is a lot like The Rose

2845
02:16:25,600 --> 02:16:27,400
Speaker 1: Bull and the fact that you realize that nineteen twenty

2846
02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:29,400
Speaker 1: people were. Smaller yeah you know WHAT i, mean.

2847
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:31,280
Speaker 5: The, exit the, walkways all of.

2848
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:33,400
Speaker 1: It you're, like, Whoa like everybody was short back. Then,

2849
02:16:33,879 --> 02:16:35,640
Speaker 1: courney best of luck tonight on the. Event by the,

2850
02:16:35,640 --> 02:16:39,279
Speaker 1: way thank you as always for coming. By much appreciated

2851
02:16:39,440 --> 02:16:42,000
Speaker 1: and continued work on The bear's story BECAUSE i know

2852
02:16:42,120 --> 02:16:42,640
Speaker 1: you'll be all over.

2853
02:16:42,680 --> 02:16:43,600
Speaker 10: It thank you appreciate.

2854
02:16:43,640 --> 02:16:45,400
Speaker 1: It one that we will keep an eye. On all,

2855
02:16:45,480 --> 02:16:49,040
Speaker 1: Right Courtney crown it again FROM espn and In chicago joining.

2856
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:51,440
Speaker 1: Us by the, way speaking of, events we have upcoming

2857
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:54,800
Speaker 1: The Early Bird, Special, eddie you have the. Information if

2858
02:16:54,840 --> 02:16:57,040
Speaker 1: you don't have, IT i can recite it. Here by the,

2859
02:16:57,040 --> 02:17:01,920
Speaker 1: way The Early Bird special is underway for enrollment or

2860
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:04,640
Speaker 1: signing up for our golf. Outing we had a lot

2861
02:17:04,680 --> 02:17:07,120
Speaker 1: of fun with our golf outing that took place last

2862
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:09,160
Speaker 1: year towards the end of the. Summer this year doing

2863
02:17:09,240 --> 02:17:12,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, different and by THAT i mean we're

2864
02:17:12,200 --> 02:17:14,520
Speaker 1: actually gonna be doing the golf outing this year Earlier april,

2865
02:17:14,600 --> 02:17:16,800
Speaker 1: thirtieth so it'll be one of the first golf outings

2866
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:19,240
Speaker 1: that you have at The Legends Golf club down In,

2867
02:17:19,560 --> 02:17:22,680
Speaker 1: franklin ten thirty until five. O'clock a lot of. Fun april,

2868
02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:26,200
Speaker 1: thirtieth The Fan Invitational Golf outing and The Early Bird

2869
02:17:26,240 --> 02:17:29,039
Speaker 1: special for sign up is up right now on our

2870
02:17:29,160 --> 02:17:32,640
Speaker 1: station website at one oh seven five the fan Dot.

2871
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:34,680
Speaker 1: Com all, right we will take a quick, recess come,

2872
02:17:34,720 --> 02:17:36,600
Speaker 1: back put a tie on all of it and do

2873
02:17:36,680 --> 02:17:39,039
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2875
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2876
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2877
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Speaker 1: jmv has. Arrived i'm, here, Although, JOHN i feel bad

2878
02:17:53,000 --> 02:17:55,040
Speaker 1: for you because you actually you should sit here and

2879
02:17:56,200 --> 02:17:57,760
Speaker 1: you have to sit and listen to this dog and

2880
02:17:57,800 --> 02:18:00,520
Speaker 1: pony show for like two, hours right.

2881
02:18:00,840 --> 02:18:04,840
Speaker 11: They uh, boy they they tripped a light fantastic on

2882
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:08,160
Speaker 11: what they put together, Here didn't they well? Done it's

2883
02:18:08,280 --> 02:18:10,800
Speaker 11: uh they JUST i was hoping THAT i Like Sirm,

2884
02:18:10,879 --> 02:18:13,280
Speaker 11: petrol BUT i don't really like him broadcasting on top

2885
02:18:13,360 --> 02:18:14,160
Speaker 11: of me right here like.

2886
02:18:14,280 --> 02:18:14,800
Speaker 5: This, well that's the.

2887
02:18:14,879 --> 02:18:16,320
Speaker 1: THING i, MEAN i feel bad for. It you. Know

2888
02:18:16,400 --> 02:18:19,119
Speaker 1: Paul kwarski's right next to. Us, Yeah charen From Kansas.

2889
02:18:19,160 --> 02:18:20,959
Speaker 1: City we got to sell on each other's a laugh

2890
02:18:21,040 --> 02:18:24,240
Speaker 1: to do. Shows siren's got a bit he does. That

2891
02:18:24,320 --> 02:18:25,560
Speaker 1: you AND i both been a part of. THAT i

2892
02:18:25,680 --> 02:18:28,040
Speaker 1: ripped off from. HIM i stole, really he told me

2893
02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:29,160
Speaker 1: he ripped it off from somebody.

2894
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:29,400
Speaker 3: Else.

2895
02:18:29,480 --> 02:18:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah the around the world we called. It, yeah you, know,

2896
02:18:33,080 --> 02:18:36,800
Speaker 1: yeah the little whip, around which is always. Fun but,

2897
02:18:36,959 --> 02:18:39,520
Speaker 1: yeah it's very close quarters here for. Certain but you've

2898
02:18:39,600 --> 02:18:42,600
Speaker 1: Got Shane stikeen Coming Shane dykeen at four. Thirty, HEY

2899
02:18:42,760 --> 02:18:45,160
Speaker 1: i love. THIS i don't know what he's gonna, say not.

2900
02:18:45,360 --> 02:18:48,640
Speaker 1: Toys there is a great deal as we know of coach.

2901
02:18:48,720 --> 02:18:50,840
Speaker 11: Speak but let me give a shout out To rick

2902
02:18:50,879 --> 02:18:54,320
Speaker 11: Carl ault this, morning BECAUSE i don't think people realize

2903
02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:56,920
Speaker 11: how savvy, he's how intelligent that.

2904
02:18:57,240 --> 02:18:58,560
Speaker 1: Was because THE.

2905
02:18:58,720 --> 02:19:01,960
Speaker 5: Nba can go piss, off seriously for the rest of the.

2906
02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:06,000
Speaker 11: Year The pacers could run me out there, tonight they

2907
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:08,840
Speaker 11: could play me and you're not gonna get. Fined THE

2908
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:12,760
Speaker 11: nba they are toothless in finding The pacers for the

2909
02:19:12,840 --> 02:19:15,640
Speaker 11: rest of the year because of. That if all of

2910
02:19:15,720 --> 02:19:18,760
Speaker 11: what he said is, true you're gonna THE nba and

2911
02:19:18,879 --> 02:19:21,520
Speaker 11: their dorky ass lawyers are gonna tell you to medicate

2912
02:19:21,560 --> 02:19:24,760
Speaker 11: a player to run him out there just to uphold

2913
02:19:24,879 --> 02:19:26,200
Speaker 11: the integrity of your betting.

2914
02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:29,240
Speaker 1: Partners are you kidding? Me, well that's what's gonna. Happen

2915
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:31,080
Speaker 1: that's What i've been saying all, Along, JOHN i love.

2916
02:19:31,160 --> 02:19:33,720
Speaker 1: It this all comes. Down it is so. Smart it

2917
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:36,520
Speaker 1: all comes down to the, drafting to The DraftKings and

2918
02:19:36,640 --> 02:19:39,960
Speaker 1: fan duel and nothing to get those companies, right but

2919
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:42,760
Speaker 1: they're they're in bed with THE nba now and so

2920
02:19:42,959 --> 02:19:45,400
Speaker 1: they have to preserve the integrity of your, Wager.

2921
02:19:45,560 --> 02:19:46,280
Speaker 5: JAKE i love.

2922
02:19:46,360 --> 02:19:47,160
Speaker 1: It that was so.

2923
02:19:47,440 --> 02:19:51,000
Speaker 11: Savvy, seriously we all for we got what four people

2924
02:19:51,000 --> 02:19:54,560
Speaker 11: at this, table, me, You nick Dev we could play.

2925
02:19:54,600 --> 02:19:58,320
Speaker 11: Tonight nobody's gonna get fined because you can. Anymore you

2926
02:19:58,640 --> 02:20:01,200
Speaker 11: just have completely screwed up up your own. Process and

2927
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:04,800
Speaker 11: by the, ways you see That utah shut Down nurkics

2928
02:20:04,840 --> 02:20:07,040
Speaker 11: for the remainder of the season to have his nose

2929
02:20:07,080 --> 02:20:09,480
Speaker 11: fixed or. Something, yeah and he was well, too right

2930
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:12,040
Speaker 11: heah fourteen and a half nearly ten rebounds a.

2931
02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:13,280
Speaker 1: GAME i love.

2932
02:20:13,360 --> 02:20:16,480
Speaker 11: It that was so smart because that's going to save the.

2933
02:20:16,600 --> 02:20:18,880
Speaker 11: Pace there's a lot of money because THE nba is.

2934
02:20:18,959 --> 02:20:22,360
Speaker 11: Done they can't find them again one. Time, yeah just

2935
02:20:22,400 --> 02:20:24,320
Speaker 11: go ahead and play whomever you want.

2936
02:20:24,440 --> 02:20:27,760
Speaker 1: Now who cares? Now and the other thing that we

2937
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:31,000
Speaker 1: have to guard against over the next couple of months

2938
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:35,119
Speaker 1: myself and maybe it's just, me BUT i see guys

2939
02:20:35,240 --> 02:20:37,560
Speaker 1: play sometimes and produce AND i start to, THINK i

2940
02:20:37,640 --> 02:20:39,600
Speaker 1: start to like fall in love with, man this is

2941
02:20:39,640 --> 02:20:41,560
Speaker 1: the guy that can really play and then you realize

2942
02:20:41,600 --> 02:20:44,200
Speaker 1: it's because somebody has to be taking shots and screen for, him, Right,

2943
02:20:44,480 --> 02:20:47,840
Speaker 1: yeah you Know Kobe brown and you Know Michaeh. Potter you,

2944
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:50,200
Speaker 1: KNOW i, mean how much of that is they have

2945
02:20:50,360 --> 02:20:52,240
Speaker 1: this incredible, depth and how much of that is they

2946
02:20:52,320 --> 02:20:55,560
Speaker 1: have To it's kind of like out of. Necessity sometimes sometimes.

2947
02:20:55,240 --> 02:20:56,920
Speaker 11: You get that feel AND i don't mean to take

2948
02:20:56,920 --> 02:20:59,120
Speaker 11: a shot, Here i'm, not but that's kind of HOW

2949
02:20:59,160 --> 02:21:02,040
Speaker 11: i feel WHEN i watch To. Devrees, YEAH i Watch

2950
02:21:02,080 --> 02:21:05,240
Speaker 11: Tucker devrees play And drake and play against My, sycamores

2951
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:07,800
Speaker 11: and he was just running rough shot over, everybody and

2952
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:11,360
Speaker 11: then when he raised the Hurts, WELL i. Know but

2953
02:21:12,120 --> 02:21:14,600
Speaker 11: the point you're trying to make is when you raise

2954
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:18,840
Speaker 11: the bar in competition at those, levels sometimes what you

2955
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:21,600
Speaker 11: were you're not quite at that. Level there's nothing wrong with,

2956
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:24,080
Speaker 11: that because you're you're getting a guy that's gonna go

2957
02:21:24,160 --> 02:21:26,480
Speaker 11: out there and he's you, know had to guard bigger

2958
02:21:26,560 --> 02:21:27,040
Speaker 11: guys and.

2959
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:29,520
Speaker 5: Such but you, know that's just what you're going to

2960
02:21:29,560 --> 02:21:31,640
Speaker 5: get in. Comparison, sometimes you, know the.

2961
02:21:33,240 --> 02:21:38,800
Speaker 1: The The debres, Thing Trent sisly has to he's fallen

2962
02:21:38,879 --> 02:21:41,520
Speaker 1: completely out of, rotation almost. Didn't, yeah and.

2963
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:43,840
Speaker 11: He's got to have one foot in the transfer. Portal, Right,

2964
02:21:43,879 --> 02:21:45,880
Speaker 11: now he's gonna look good At West lafayette next YEAR

2965
02:21:45,879 --> 02:21:46,320
Speaker 11: i Met Todd.

2966
02:21:46,400 --> 02:21:49,039
Speaker 1: MYERS i think, though except for, that does he look

2967
02:21:49,080 --> 02:21:50,600
Speaker 1: at it and, say, well those are the minutes That

2968
02:21:50,720 --> 02:21:52,520
Speaker 1: i'm not getting it just Because Tucker debreeze is out

2969
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:55,720
Speaker 1: there and those are all his minutes and next year

2970
02:21:55,760 --> 02:21:56,240
Speaker 1: he gets.

2971
02:21:56,040 --> 02:21:59,520
Speaker 5: STUDY i would have to think points for. Him not

2972
02:22:00,280 --> 02:22:04,800
Speaker 5: he got mop up. Run when was it last time?

2973
02:22:04,840 --> 02:22:06,480
Speaker 5: OUT i Guess purdue last time?

2974
02:22:06,520 --> 02:22:07,080
Speaker 1: OUT i think that's.

2975
02:22:07,160 --> 02:22:09,280
Speaker 11: Right On friday night he got mup. Up how do

2976
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:11,240
Speaker 11: you not get in a thirty point? Loss how do

2977
02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:12,160
Speaker 11: you not get more than?

2978
02:22:12,200 --> 02:22:12,920
Speaker 5: That? RIGHT i don't.

2979
02:22:12,959 --> 02:22:15,640
Speaker 11: Care how many are you fans believe you're bad or

2980
02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:18,160
Speaker 11: you're not that? Good how do your how are you

2981
02:22:18,280 --> 02:22:18,640
Speaker 11: not out?

2982
02:22:18,680 --> 02:22:20,600
Speaker 1: There? Yeah it's. Hard so here's Hopefully Ryan.

2983
02:22:20,720 --> 02:22:23,640
Speaker 11: Carr Can Ryan carr adjust, that like give guys the

2984
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:25,400
Speaker 11: right playing time and stuff when he gets down?

2985
02:22:25,440 --> 02:22:26,840
Speaker 1: There is that gonna be up to?

2986
02:22:26,920 --> 02:22:27,280
Speaker 5: Him you?

2987
02:22:27,360 --> 02:22:30,119
Speaker 1: KNOW i actually was curious WHEN i saw that, announcement

2988
02:22:30,200 --> 02:22:32,560
Speaker 1: AND i had to get clarification on it Whether ryan

2989
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:35,240
Speaker 1: was reporting To derez Or derees was reporting To. Ryan

2990
02:22:36,200 --> 02:22:41,400
Speaker 1: But ryan's deport is reporting to. Derees he's just is

2991
02:22:41,440 --> 02:22:45,199
Speaker 1: he is he doing? SCOUTING i think he's doing roster, assembly,

2992
02:22:45,320 --> 02:22:47,840
Speaker 1: right so figuring out what players they need or what

2993
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:50,879
Speaker 1: would what would, work how you got them all?

2994
02:22:50,959 --> 02:22:52,720
Speaker 11: That and by the, WAY i you, fans make no,

2995
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:57,440
Speaker 11: Mistake cicily deserves more time than. That that's that's beyond.

2996
02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:00,840
Speaker 11: Questionable and that looks like a. Coach and you really

2997
02:23:00,879 --> 02:23:03,040
Speaker 11: don't have to go too far in this. Era that

2998
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:05,160
Speaker 11: looks like a coach is trying to run somebody down

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02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:06,199
Speaker 11: the road right, there.

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02:23:06,480 --> 02:23:09,879
Speaker 1: It does, it or or As i've, said it looks

3001
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:11,960
Speaker 1: like the guy who is starting his kid at picture

3002
02:23:11,959 --> 02:23:13,800
Speaker 1: at little league and keeping him out there for eight

3003
02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:15,480
Speaker 1: innings even though people are, like you, know what might

3004
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:15,680
Speaker 1: be some.

3005
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:19,320
Speaker 11: Time, yeah you're down thirty at the very least more

3006
02:23:19,400 --> 02:23:21,320
Speaker 11: than mop, up more than well walk on.

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02:23:21,480 --> 02:23:23,560
Speaker 1: Minutes give me a. BREAK i was down when they

3008
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:26,080
Speaker 1: Played ALABAMA a AND. M, yeah and they're up forty

3009
02:23:26,120 --> 02:23:28,080
Speaker 1: eight And devreese is still out. There i'm, like, yeah

3010
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:28,800
Speaker 1: what are we doing?

3011
02:23:28,840 --> 02:23:28,960
Speaker 4: Here?

3012
02:23:29,040 --> 02:23:31,200
Speaker 11: Yeah and then he was asked that question afterwards he, said,

3013
02:23:31,200 --> 02:23:34,200
Speaker 11: well we were still competing or, whatever and run the

3014
02:23:34,280 --> 02:23:34,680
Speaker 11: dude out.

3015
02:23:34,680 --> 02:23:37,640
Speaker 5: There even if he is not what everybody thought he

3016
02:23:37,760 --> 02:23:38,160
Speaker 5: was going to.

3017
02:23:38,200 --> 02:23:41,000
Speaker 1: Be SO jmv is up, next and you Have Shane

3018
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:43,959
Speaker 1: stike in for thirty thirty For Shane. Steik you're thirty

3019
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:46,320
Speaker 1: For Shane stiking, today all, right thanks TO Jp, Shadwick

3020
02:23:46,400 --> 02:23:50,000
Speaker 1: thanks To Eddie, White Courtney cronin for coming by as.

3021
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:52,760
Speaker 1: Well and you, know a lot of fun being out

3022
02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:56,320
Speaker 1: here at The combine, Today Scott agnes for joining as.

3023
02:23:56,400 --> 02:23:59,360
Speaker 1: Well the fun part of it just being like seeing

3024
02:23:59,440 --> 02:24:01,920
Speaker 1: the the chaotic nature of all of. It don't trip

3025
02:24:01,959 --> 02:24:05,920
Speaker 1: over the nine. Wires the nine, wires you're.

3026
02:24:05,160 --> 02:24:07,520
Speaker 5: Just admiring all the Fun i'm having what you're.

3027
02:24:07,560 --> 02:24:09,600
Speaker 1: Doing don't trip over the twelve names That Eddie white

3028
02:24:09,640 --> 02:24:11,959
Speaker 1: dropped earlier. Either john by the, way all, right we'll

3029
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:14,199
Speaker 1: be back at noon. TOMORROW i thank everybody for listening

3030
02:24:14,240 --> 02:24:14,960
Speaker 1: To Quarrying. Company