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Speaker 4: No, no, not, you're just that I know of.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this was the end of the show yesterday. Listen

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Speaker 4: There you go. You picked Jay Huff. Okay, Eddie, you

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Speaker 4: picked Jay Huff. No, you can play the rest of that.

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Speaker 4: You know I would have trained the offense. Yeah, he

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Speaker 4: talking about playing? I can't hear that. I can't hear that, Jacobs. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: It is the perfect compliment for Tyre's Halliburton and Halliburton

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the beach. It literally feels like

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Speaker 1: he would come back and go, you know, on Tuesday

435
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Speaker 1: at rain from four to four thirty.

436
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Speaker 2: There's just I don't know what it is.

437
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but there are certain

438
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Speaker 1: players that they teams just do not get better when

439
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Speaker 1: they're acquired. And I am always dumbfounded as to why

440
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: teams continue to fall into the trap. But when I

441
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Speaker 1: saw Harden was going to Cleveland, I thought, let's go.

442
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Speaker 1: And so then my mind starts racing towards what Indiana

443
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Speaker 1: can be, and what they can be is a very

444
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Speaker 1: similar fashion, and it's very similar level of competitiveness to

445
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Speaker 1: what they were a year ago, but that is largely

446
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Speaker 1: dependent upon who they get at the center position. Now,

447
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Speaker 1: how do they get that player? Rick Carlile was on

448
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Speaker 1: the Morning show this morning on The Fan Morning Show

449
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Speaker 1: with Jeffrick, James Boyd, Kevin Bowen and discussed exactly where

450
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Speaker 1: they are in terms of exactly that and what things

451
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Speaker 1: we might look for normally to say a trade is

452
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Speaker 1: on the horizon, and whether or not the Pacers are

453
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Speaker 1: looking in that direction.

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Speaker 2: We'll let you hear from Britt Carlile coming up.

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Speaker 1: We will also take a look at some of the

456
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Speaker 1: moves that have been made and moves that might be

457
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Speaker 1: anticipated on this the eve of the NBA trade deadline tomorrow,

458
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Speaker 1: which is more likely Eddie, the Pacers have been a

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Speaker 1: mcmatheren or I have a voice.

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Speaker 4: That's a great one.

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Speaker 2: Think about it. Answer it.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, Eddie, your thoughts first and foremost

463
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Speaker 1: on the trade that I just discussed with Cleveland and

464
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Speaker 1: James Harden now on his way.

465
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Speaker 2: To the Cabs.

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Speaker 4: I totally understand from the Cleveland perspective if you feel

467
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Speaker 4: like that helps you get over the hump like this

468
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Speaker 4: year with how wide open the Eastern Conference is. But

469
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Speaker 4: you know, historically James Harden has not performed well in

470
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Speaker 4: the playoffs, and I get Darius Garland has been dealing

471
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Speaker 4: with injuries the past, you know, two years, specifically with

472
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Speaker 4: one of his toes. I don't know which one it

473
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Speaker 4: is and on which foot, but that's what you know,

474
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 4: played him in this playoffs last year when facing Indiana,

475
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Speaker 4: and I'm very curious. Now the most interesting part to

476
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Speaker 4: me is that you have two ball dominant guards in

477
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Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell and James Harden, so like, how does that

478
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Speaker 4: dynamic work correct? And they have a talented cast of

479
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Speaker 4: characters around him, like Sam Merril has been a fantastic

480
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 4: three point shooter, Jared Tyson or Jalen Tyson has been

481
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Speaker 4: really good for them this year. Of course, you still

482
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Speaker 4: have Evan Mobley and Jared Allen to factor in there

483
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Speaker 4: as well. So I think Cleveland is still a good team,

484
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Speaker 4: but I'm just wondering how good they can be.

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Speaker 1: I do think there are certain players do you call

486
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Speaker 1: like an elementary school or for that matter, I mean,

487
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Speaker 1: you know with kids, when you talk about certain kids

488
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Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, he plays well with others,

489
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't make a guy a bad guy. It

490
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Speaker 1: doesn't make I have no idea what kind of person

491
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Speaker 1: James Harden is. You don't hear a lot about him? Actually,

492
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Speaker 1: I mean he's kind of the I know this sounds

493
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: weird to say it this way because it's an oxymorn.

494
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: He's kind of like the anonymous superstar, because you don't,

495
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, with other players, you know a ton about him.

496
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Speaker 1: You see him out and about, you know, I mean

497
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Speaker 1: maybe you tell me Eddie. I mean you follow the

498
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: league pretty closely. Am I missing the boat here? Or

499
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Speaker 1: is James Harden like a pop cultural sensation that I

500
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Speaker 1: in the in the ilk of you know, other players,

501
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean obviously Lebron or Luca or Jannis. I mean

502
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: guys that you see and you hear a lot about.

503
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Speaker 1: Would you put Hard in that same category? Or of

504
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: my naive here, like even Halliburton's out and about and

505
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: you see him, he's got the you know, he's got

506
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Speaker 1: the Puma shoes, now, Andy, I mean, and I know

507
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Speaker 1: that Harden was part of the documentary, but like he

508
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: doesn't feel to me like a Fifth Avenue superstar?

509
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Speaker 2: Am I wrong?

510
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Speaker 4: Or I think you're a little wrong, just because he's

511
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Speaker 4: more of a nightlife guy. So like he likes to

512
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Speaker 4: go out to the clubs and like that's his thing,

513
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Speaker 4: Like he likes to go out and party and have

514
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Speaker 4: a good time.

515
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Speaker 1: And maybe that's part of the problem, you know what

516
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: I mean. But he's a very good player, but he

517
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to play well with others. That doesn't mean

518
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Speaker 1: that he's a bad guy. Doesn't mean that he's even

519
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: a bad that people don't like him personally, but it

520
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Speaker 1: doesn't to me. I have never gotten the impression that

521
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Speaker 1: players become better by.

522
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Speaker 2: Being on the floor with him.

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Speaker 1: Tyres Haliburton, say what you want, Tyre's Halliburton. I remember

524
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Speaker 1: when Halliburton was acquired, talking to a Pacers executive that

525
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: said to me, I've never seen anything like it, but

526
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Speaker 1: everyone lifts when that guy walks into a room.

527
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Speaker 2: He has an it factor, And I'm like, really, I mean,

528
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Speaker 2: are you sure you're not just smitten by like a

529
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: young talent, and then you can just see it Halliburton.

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Speaker 2: Here's what is unique about Tyrese Halliburton during games.

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Speaker 1: If you watch, if you go to games at Gainbridge Fieldhouse,

532
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: and they come out and key Bank does the Deal

533
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Speaker 1: or No Deal. It's a little game that they play

534
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: a shorter version of it during a timeout, and Halliburton,

535
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: of course is not playing, so he's in street clothes

536
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Speaker 1: and he's behind the huddle kind of letting Carlisle or

537
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: Lloyd Pierce or Jenny or whoever Jim Boylan do their

538
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: thing right. And so Halliburton's kind of behind it, and

539
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: he usually starts watching the Deal or No Deal, and

540
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: he's like playing along with a contestant. And now you know,

541
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Speaker 1: everybody's kind of caught onto that. So at the game

542
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: they'll say, tyrase, what do you think deal or No Deal?

543
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Speaker 1: It's the fact that and this is what is different.

544
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Speaker 1: Gambridge Field House holds seventeen thousand people, I'm guestimating twenty

545
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: thousand twenty thousand people, and an average game on a

546
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Speaker 1: Wednesday night in December, there are let's say seventeen thousand

547
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Speaker 1: people in the arena, there are seventeen thousand people in

548
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Speaker 1: that arena that feel like they know Tyrese Haliburton. They

549
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: literally feel like they're friends with Tyre's Halliburton. He doesn't

550
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Speaker 1: seem like the unapproachable Oh my gosh, Holy cow, I'm

551
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: starstruck Aura level fame. And that's what's always been kind

552
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: of unique about this market. You know, I worked in

553
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: Saint Louis and Mark McGuire was at his apex, and

554
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: McGuire like you didn't see him out in about town.

555
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: And when he was out and about, like literally everyone

556
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: stopped and people just stared, like in awe. And yet

557
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: I've been in this town where I've seen Peyton Manning

558
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: walk into a restaurant. I've seen Andrew Luck walk into

559
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: a restaurant, and I watch the way people interact with

560
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 1: Halliburton or Reggie Miller. And there's this weird thing in

561
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: Indianapolis where we see the athletes kind of like, oh, yeah,

562
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: they're one of us. And that's what we most embrace,

563
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: right is when like Oladipo, Victor Oladipo, Victor Oladipo eventually

564
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: ran out as welcome in this town because he acted

565
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: like he wasn't one of us.

566
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Speaker 2: He was too big for it.

567
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Speaker 1: He needed to go to Miami, he needed to go

568
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: on you know, to promote his album, and people were

569
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: just like, yeah enough. And it's just what I'm getting

570
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: at is Halliburton has an it factor that makes all

571
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Speaker 1: of his teammates better, but makes them presumably want to

572
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: play with him and elevate their game because they feel

573
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: the same thing that everybody in the arena feels, which

574
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: is just like, yeah, he's just a super happy, go

575
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: lucky dude, and that's my guy. And I just don't

576
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: feel like James harden brit that to the table.

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Speaker 4: But now, Jake, do you see who who's playing tonight

578
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 4: on the NBA schedule? Have you seen this.

579
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Speaker 2: In terms of matchup?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

581
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 4: No, the LA Clippers and the Cleveland Cavaliers.

582
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: Now when is when will he be eligible?

583
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Speaker 4: I don't know has I don't think the trade's been

584
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: officially announced yet.

585
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: That's it has to be now, which leads to I

586
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: have a dumb question. Yes, the trade deadline is tomorrow.

587
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: Does that mean that the paperwork cannot go through until then?

588
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: Or simply you cannot make a trade until after four

589
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: o'clock order because we know about the Oj Mayo and

590
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: Josh McRoberts deal that fell through because the Pacers allegedly

591
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: sent the facts like a minute late.

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, the paperwork has to be submitted to the

593
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Speaker 4: league office before three o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow, so you could make it a trade yesterday, could

595
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: be an effect today though, right, yes, okay. Now that

596
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: leads you to wonder, though, are the Pacers in play here?

597
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: Are there players? There are numerous players, Eddie, the one

598
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: from New Orleans that you have been on from day one, right,

599
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: saying is a possibility.

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Speaker 4: Well, and not that I've been on, it's just somebody

601
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 4: they've been.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

603
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: Linked to is what I'm saying is you have said,

604
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Speaker 1: you've said about eas Missy from day one, that that

605
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Speaker 1: is a player that you think is worth keeping an

606
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: eye on, whether or not Indiana would have an interest in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, correct. And it sounds like that the Pelicans

608
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: are running a first round pick, and I don't know

609
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Speaker 4: if anyone's willing to part with the first round pick

610
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Speaker 4: for him.

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Speaker 1: He's a young player, he's twenty one, right, and he's

612
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, he's athletic, he's got he can run the floor.

613
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: I watched him pretty closely when they were here, there

614
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: wasn't anything, But then again, schematically they weren't running a

615
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: lot of things for him. But he is one to

616
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. There are others, you know Kessler

617
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: in Utah that was here last night. You know, is

618
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Speaker 1: that somebody they would be willing to move from now

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Speaker 1: that they've got Jared Jackson, even though he's a powerful

620
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: not a center. Is there a player out there that

621
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Speaker 1: fits I've always thought Mark Williams would fit well, but

622
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: he has had injury history. But Rick Carlisle this morning

623
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Speaker 1: was asked the question typically, and let me give you

624
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: let me give you this background real quick. The Pacers historically,

625
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Speaker 1: and I have no idea if most franchises do this

626
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: or not, or if it's unique to Indiana, but one

627
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Speaker 1: of the things that Indiana, at least by precedent, has

628
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: always done as a franchise.

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Speaker 2: Is if a player.

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Speaker 1: Is going to be traded, and you'll hear Kevin Bowen

631
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: reference this, the Pacers typically will let that player know

632
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: that they are going to be involved in trade discussion.

633
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: I can tell you that the one player that was

634
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: never privy to that before being traded, and I think

635
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: that player actually was hurt by it was Jalen Rose.

636
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: When Jalen Rose and t As Best were traded to

637
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: Chicago for Brad Miller, Ron Mercer Ron our Test and

638
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: Kevin Ollie, and that originally was going to be a

639
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: Travis Best for Brad Miller trade, and Chicago was kind

640
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: of wanting to move on from our test. They were

641
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: open about the issues with our test, and they said

642
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: we would throw in our test and these other players too,

643
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: but would you throw.

644
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Speaker 2: In a second piece like a Jalen Rose.

645
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: And so Indiana was originally not looking to shop Jalen Rose,

646
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Speaker 1: but then that was thrown in and they decided to

647
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: make that move. Because of that reason, they did not

648
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Speaker 1: talk to Jalen before he got news that he had

649
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Speaker 1: been traded. And I can tell you as sure the

650
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Speaker 1: fact that today is Wednesday, and my voices horse that

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Speaker 1: Donnie Walsh always regretted his one regret when it came

652
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Speaker 1: to transactions was that he never talked to Jalen Rose

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Speaker 1: ahead of time. He felt terrible about it, and Jalen

654
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Speaker 1: Rose was not happy about it and was hurt by

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Speaker 1: that for a long time. And for that reason, even

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Speaker 1: though I realized you know it's now Kevin Pritchard and

657
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Speaker 1: Chad Buchanan, but still the same structure and still the

658
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Speaker 1: same influence. I think they've always tried to do exactly

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Speaker 1: what it was they did not take place with Jalen Rose,

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Speaker 1: but Kevin bellin this morning broached that subject with Brick Carlisle.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 6: Kevin Pritchard has mentioned when you guys get to this

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Speaker 6: time of the year, if there are players in trade talks,

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Speaker 6: you like to alert players of that so they're not

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Speaker 6: caught off guard. Have you had to alert any players

666
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Speaker 6: of that this week? We are you expecting a move

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Speaker 6: by three?

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Speaker 2: That seems pretty emphatic? Right?

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Speaker 4: That are just annoyed.

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Speaker 1: Annoyed by Kevin's question or just by the overall theme

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 4: It could be a situation where Rick feels annoyed that

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Speaker 4: he's been asked this already and he's being asked again.

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Speaker 4: He could have been asked in a practice media availability

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Speaker 4: within the line or so that's fair. But I will

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Speaker 4: also say this, just because they haven't had any discussions

677
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Speaker 4: when that question was asked doesn't mean it still can't happen.

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Speaker 4: We still have time here.

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Speaker 1: So correct they gonna have a meeting today, right yes,

680
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Speaker 1: right now when it comes to the trade deadline, and

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Speaker 1: it comes to both from a franchise perspective and a

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Speaker 1: fan perspective and a media perspective. Eddie, you took a

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Speaker 1: driver's exam when you got your driver's license. By technicality,

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Speaker 1: what does the yellow light mean on the road?

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Speaker 4: Be prepared to come to a stop?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 1: But in the manual, what does it say three words?

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00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: Why does it say jay proceed with caution? And there's

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Speaker 1: a reason during the trade deadline that every team should

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Speaker 1: adhere to that. It's another one of the quaryisms in

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Speaker 1: terms of players in the NBA and something I find fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know what I'm talking about. And Dustin

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Speaker 1: up here at going to join us coming up top

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Speaker 1: of the hour here Wednesday ish quiring company on the fan.

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Speaker 2: Eddie, let me ask you this question.

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Speaker 1: I want you to close your eyes and imagine that

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Speaker 1: you you're not even talking in your sleep with this,

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Speaker 1: You're dreaming you're in and it's coming a reality. You

699
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Speaker 1: are suddenly a general manager in the NBA. Oh boy, okay,

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Speaker 1: So so you Eddie Garrison are general manager in the

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Speaker 1: NBA and you get to put your franchise in any

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Speaker 1: city in the United States that does not currently have

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Speaker 1: a team not named Las Vegas or Seattle. Where are

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Speaker 1: you putting your.

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Speaker 4: Team not in a current city that's not Las Vegas

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Speaker 4: and it's not Seattle? Correct? I have to really think here.

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Speaker 1: Shows over three Oakland, Kansas City.

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Speaker 4: Not Oakland because they already had the team they moved

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Speaker 4: to San Francisco, Austin. I don't know if there's a

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Speaker 4: market in Kansas City for a basketball team. Okay, Baltimore,

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Speaker 4: what about Jersey?

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Speaker 1: Okay, you want to go because the Nets left, So

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Speaker 1: you're going to go to what Trenton? Sure, Newark? You're

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Speaker 1: going to be New Jersey, Okay, and what's your team

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Speaker 1: name going to be?

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Speaker 4: That's a great question. I don't know anything about New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: So to the Garden State. Bruce Springsteen's from there. Yeah,

718
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Speaker 1: Jersey Shore. You're going to be the Snookies, going to

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Speaker 1: be the New Jersey Snookies.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Needless to say, your colors are orange. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So you as the general manager and now you know

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Speaker 1: you're the owner as well of the New Jersey Snookies.

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Speaker 1: You are allowed to select one of two players as

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Speaker 1: your founding foundation, pillar piece of your franchise.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to give you two to choose from.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I want.

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Speaker 1: You to tell me which one you think is the

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Speaker 1: one you want, all right, Victor webbam Yama or Cooper

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Speaker 1: Flag Victor.

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Speaker 4: Women Yama not even close, really, not even close. Okay,

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Speaker 4: So injuries do not happen, Yeah, Victor, injuries are.

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Speaker 2: Part of the game.

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Speaker 4: I know, are you never playing for injury? But women Yama?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: The reason I ask is because both of those players

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Speaker 1: theoretically and seemingly are can't miss, right. Sure, But to

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Speaker 1: your point, whenever there's two, there's always one that for

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Speaker 1: some reason, it just kind of doesn't always go right.

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Speaker 1: You know, Zion Williamson and Amrant came out the same year, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and and RJ. Barrett and RJ Barrett and you know

741
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Speaker 1: those three. I mean that was going to be And

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of proceed with caution about this

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Speaker 1: year's draft because when you look at there are four

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Speaker 1: that are going to be in this draft that it's like, man,

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Speaker 1: this is can't miss.

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Speaker 2: And yet.

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Speaker 1: The rule of thumb and precedent says that probably two

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Speaker 1: of those are going to be a swing and a miss,

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Speaker 1: or they're just not going to be a fit. And

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Speaker 1: the same is true for veterans because when you have

751
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Speaker 1: when you get towards the trade deadline, you know, Zion

752
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: Williamson wonderful talent, but his body just and you can

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Speaker 1: kind of tell it. Duke, there was the possibility that

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Speaker 1: the size of his body and his frame and whatever

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Speaker 1: else you wanted about durability, you wanted that. With Webin Miama,

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Speaker 1: truth be told, Cooper Flag, I mean, can considering he's

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Speaker 1: nineteen years old, it's pretty amazing what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like Holy Count and web In Miyama.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I mean is you look at him and he has

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Speaker 1: done things that are unprecedented at his size. Fabulous, fabulous

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Speaker 1: player and tons of intrigue, and it's hard to believe

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Speaker 1: that San Antonio is not going to continue to win

764
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Speaker 1: multiple titles with him if he stays healthy. But there's

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Speaker 1: that if, right, And there are certain guys that start

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Speaker 1: out and you're like, this guy's going to be great,

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Speaker 1: and then for whatever reason, the big money rolls in

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Speaker 1: and the desire changes, or the body breaks down, or

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Speaker 1: people figure out how to guard him.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it might be.

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Speaker 1: From a veteran standpoint, this time of year, it's amazing

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Speaker 1: to me the number of players that teams get and

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Speaker 1: how often we see this. If you look right now

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Speaker 1: at players in the NBA that are on the trade block,

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Speaker 1: what are the names you're most commonly hearing or buyouts

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Speaker 1: if you're looking at teams that are looking.

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Speaker 2: To buy someone out to create cap space.

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Speaker 4: Right now, somebody who got traded yesterday, Mike Conley Junior

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Speaker 4: is gonna be in that category of a contract bio.

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Speaker 1: Right Okay, DeMar DeRozan, there's talks of what's what are

781
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Speaker 1: they gonna do with DeMar DeRozan?

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Speaker 4: DeMont Sabonis another name that's being tossed out there in

783
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Speaker 4: connection with the UH Toronto Raptors.

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Speaker 1: These are players that and Conley's been a great player,

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Speaker 1: but he's older, right yeah, oh yeah. But so often

786
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Speaker 1: when you get players and you give that, you get

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Speaker 1: a player and the reason they're making that kind of

788
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Speaker 1: money is because at some point you thought, we have

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Speaker 1: to have this guy. We see this every year. There's

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Speaker 1: always players like we got we gotta get them, we

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Speaker 1: gotta get them. Do you remember with the Colts with

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Speaker 1: Chris Carter's kid, was it Deron Carter and da Colts

793
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Speaker 1: got into like a bidding war for the services of

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Speaker 1: Deron Carter out of the Canadian Football League and literally

795
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Speaker 1: people were like on Pins and Neils, who's gonna get

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Speaker 1: Deron Carter? Who's gonna get And the Colts ended up

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Speaker 1: signing was this is huge. Guy never made it out

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Speaker 1: of camp. I remember Mark to Shera when he was

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Speaker 1: a free agent in baseball, and literally ESPN was doing

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Speaker 1: a ticker on Where's to Shery, what's the latest today?

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Speaker 1: Where's he going to end up? Countdown to when we

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Speaker 1: know where he's going to go. He's a go okay player.

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Speaker 1: But oftentimes players get these big deals or teams get

804
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Speaker 1: over zealous because they fall in love with and convince

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Speaker 1: themselves that this is the missing link, this is the

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Speaker 1: missing piece, and they then overextend and before you know it,

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Speaker 1: like three years later, they're begging anybody to take them

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Speaker 1: off their hands. And unless you are taking a player

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Speaker 1: taking on a player like that because you want the

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Speaker 1: cap flexibility because their deals about to expire and you

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Speaker 1: want to create space, unless that's the reason you're taking

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Speaker 1: on a player like that, If you're Cleveland and you're

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Speaker 1: taking on James Harden. You've got to look at it

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Speaker 1: and say, why have this many franchises given big money

815
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Speaker 1: to this guy and then immediately turned around and wanted

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Speaker 1: to get out of it? Proceed with caution, you have

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Speaker 1: to Eventually everybody knows. Everybody knows that one girl that

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Speaker 1: is like ridiculously hot, and you're like, yeah, she is

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Speaker 1: so hot.

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Speaker 2: Every time I meet hers, she's got a different boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: You're like, well, why, or I mean, for that matter,

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Speaker 1: for our thirty eight female listeners, same thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's some guy that like he seems to be the

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Speaker 1: whole package, and like, every time I see that dude,

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Speaker 1: he's on a different date. Why Why is it that?

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Speaker 1: What do people see whether they're like yeah, you know what? No,

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Speaker 1: And I think you absolutely have to weigh and the

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Speaker 1: Pacers have done a remarkable job at this. Historically speaking,

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Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers have not drafted outstanding, they've not been

830
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: great drafters, but they've been outstanding traders, and they've fished

831
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Speaker 1: great trades in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they've made great trades.

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Speaker 1: And part of that is not looking even at the

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Speaker 1: stats and the x's and o's of it, but looking

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Speaker 1: at the character of it and figuring out where the

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Speaker 1: piece fits in the puzzle, and you go all the

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Speaker 1: way back to today, the number of moves they've made.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin Pritchard, you can say what you want

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Speaker 1: about the first round draft history, but the trade history

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Speaker 1: is really favorable. And then you wonder if that means

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Speaker 1: when it comes to proceed with caution, if teams aren't

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Speaker 1: exactly that when Indiana's the one calling, Because eventually you

843
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: think to yourself, I don't know, man, seems like they

844
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Speaker 1: get the better end of this more often than not

845
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Speaker 1: when it comes to this time of year. But in

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Speaker 1: terms of all of that, Dustin to Pirak, Indianapolis Star,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna break down what he's here and what's the

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Speaker 1: latest he's got his Right now, he's got his hand

849
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Speaker 1: on the rail trying to see if the train's coming

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Speaker 1: down the track. We'll find out the latest on the

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00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: Pacers next. You know, Eddie White points out, Eddie that

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00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: your team should be the Jersey Johnny's. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: argue that that's a good one. It's really good. That's

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00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: a good point.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why he didn't text me that.

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Speaker 1: So if the the jersey, Johnny's needless to say, the

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00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: colors are red, white, and blue.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. He did text me into Nashville.

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00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nashville is good too. You know, if you were

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Speaker 2: to think of if the NBA were to do.

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Speaker 1: Expansion and or relocation, I mean Seattle in Vegas, conventional

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Speaker 1: wisdom says are the first two to be filled?

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Speaker 2: After that, I would think Nashville.

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, perhaps perhaps.

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Speaker 1: I mean you'd have schedule conflicts perhaps.

866
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Speaker 4: With where would they put a stadium?

867
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: The other I think they put they'd play at Bridgetone, right,

868
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: where is that what it's called? Where the Predators play

869
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: right there on Broadway. But then it becomes a question of,

870
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: you know, matching the dates, and I bet that's not unprecedented.

871
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: I mean, there there has to be the.

872
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 4: Nicks and the Rangers share Madison's clerk.

873
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I mean that, don't the

874
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: Flyers and the six.

875
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 4: Or Sos and the Bulls share right the same arena?

876
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: So you have that in play for sure. Joining us now,

877
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: by the way, Jaba House peeling poor guest line. He

878
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: is from the Indianapolis Star. He is our friend, Dustin.

879
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: Thank you Eddie joining us. Hi, Dustin, how are you

880
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: you exact yourself? I've got it like an I a

881
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: my voice. But other than that, I'm okay. I I'm

882
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: not I'm Dustin. I'm not even sick. I don't know

883
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: what it is. I just talk so much. I guess right,

884
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: you don't.

885
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 5: I mean, you would think that would get you out

886
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 5: over time, considering it is your job.

887
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

888
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: I think probably most people in Indianapolis are totally fine

889
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: with the fact that.

890
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: My voice might be waning a little bit. If you

891
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: really would like to know.

892
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: The truth, Okay, Dustin, We'll begin with this. It's the

893
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: NBA commissioner calls you, says we're going to give you

894
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: a franchise. You cannot put it in Seattle, Lost Vegas,

895
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: Nashville is now off the board.

896
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: Where where are you putting Dustin's team?

897
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I would put it in Pittsburgh. But that's

898
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 5: just me. That's good, Okay, that now that that's not

899
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 5: even me saying it's going to work. That's just if

900
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 5: I had the kind of money to buy one, that's

901
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 5: where I would put it because that's where I'm from.

902
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: Are they going to be the pipers? Ptsurgh Pipers.

903
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 5: We bring it back, we bring it back. We we

904
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 5: we go with the A B A A B A

905
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 5: stuff and you know, you know, stick with that. I

906
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 5: think the last one they had, uh they had a

907
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 5: CBA team that was the Pittsburgh Puranas, actually did pretty

908
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 5: good for a year, if I recall correctly. But so

909
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 5: like anything with the p works, I think we go.

910
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: We've got to be black and gold, right right, Yeah.

911
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 5: Of course, I mean you have to stick with it.

912
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 5: That's that's how it has to operate. The entire city's

913
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 5: got to go under that coast.

914
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: Uh, what are you hearing? Trade deadline?

915
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: Let's begin with what you're hearing, and maybe even we'll

916
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: go outside. Benedict Matherin, are there any other players on

917
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: the Pacers roster? Did you kind of raise an eyebrow

918
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: and say it wouldn't surprise me if their name percolates

919
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: a little bit here?

920
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

921
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 5: I mean I think it all depends on how big

922
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 5: they want to swing. Like I only they're trying to

923
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 5: move anybody else. They're certainly not like it's not you

924
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 5: don't look at him and say, well, okay, you know

925
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 5: you've got to move off from that guy and Matthew's

926
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 5: the only one to look at him say, well, you

927
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 5: might you might have to make a move here, because

928
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 5: otherwise you might lose him for nothing. You know, everybody

929
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 5: else you have the opportunity to keep. You know, Nev

930
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 5: Harden's the other guy in that class, and he's already

931
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 5: signed to an extension. So I mean, I mean, I

932
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 5: could see you could I could still see Walker going.

933
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 5: I could still see in Isaiah Jackson going. But I

934
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 5: think in those cases it's more a case of you're

935
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 5: swinging big and you've got to put a package together

936
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 5: that works. I mean, I think I think they're thrilled

937
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 5: with the way Jaris Walker's playing. I mean, I think

938
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 5: Rick Carlo is over the moon with what he's got

939
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 5: out of in the last three weeks. Just the force

940
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 5: he's playing with has been what they've been waiting for

941
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 5: the entire time. I think, I'm really seriously when he

942
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 5: when he says, this is what you know, I think

943
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 5: it's quote was just what we envisioned when we drafted him,

944
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 5: And I think that changes their view of him entirely.

945
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 5: And it happened in just a few weeks. I think

946
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 5: that was what they were waiting to see. But if

947
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 5: you want to go get a twenty million dollars center,

948
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 5: if you have the interest in that, Nick Klachton or

949
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 5: somebody like that, you know, like you've got to include

950
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 5: some salaries and there, you've got to include some players

951
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 5: that are going to be enticing, and Walker would have

952
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 5: to be one of those guys. I think if you know,

953
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 5: you have to. Also, I don't think he's playing so

954
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 5: well that you wouldn't think about shipping him off. If

955
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 5: you've got a big target, now you're not you know,

956
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 5: you haven't seen their name pipe up with targets like

957
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 5: that in a while. I mean the last center you

958
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 5: saw I think was Even's Missy, and like they actually

959
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 5: have to include something to get Mathrin. Basically they would

960
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 5: have to include somebody else, as the maths room makes

961
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 5: about nine million, mas Mecie is like two or three

962
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 5: somewhere in that range, So they, like the Pelicans, would

963
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 5: have to put somebody else in there. And so Walker

964
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 5: is way out of you know, way out of scale there.

965
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think you saw to day Jake Fisher

966
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 5: is reporting their Sinson talks about Mather and I you

967
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 5: desuon mode, but that was sort of stuff he was

968
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 5: seeing before what Chicago did yesterday bring in Simon's and

969
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 5: Jade and Ivy. So I'm not sure if they still

970
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 5: have you understed in a player like mather Into, you know,

971
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 5: or not, or if they just be okay with value

972
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 5: it they'd be looking to move value for something else.

973
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 5: That's more, they give them more sort of positional balance.

974
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, no, I mean I think anybody else that

975
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 5: they would move it wouldn't because they want to get

976
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 5: rid of moveser because if you want, if you need

977
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 5: a swim big, you need to include the salaries.

978
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: Do you believe Dustin.

979
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: That Ben Matherin is a player the Pacers could move

980
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: on from, because which would you say is the more

981
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: likely answer? A Indiana needs to get themselves a center

982
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: and Ben Mathern is the player that most facilitates for

983
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: that possibility via trade or b. They have seen enough

984
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: body of work from Ben Matheren to know while he

985
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,240
Speaker 1: is a very good player, he is simply a player

986
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: that does not fit into the scheme they play, which

987
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: is the more likely reason he would be on deadline

988
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: potential trade.

989
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 5: I mean they're both, I mean, they're both really equal

990
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 5: to me. I mean, I guess it's be because it

991
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 5: just in the sense that you wouldn't move him if

992
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 5: you wouldn't even be thinking about it if there wasn't

993
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 5: a fit issue, because he's been really you know, at

994
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 5: the end of the day, he's been productive. I mean, like,

995
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 5: I think he's the fourth leading scorer in terms of

996
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 5: average scoring in the class of twenty twenty two, you know,

997
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 5: and the other ones ahead of him are like Holmeger

998
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 5: and Jalen Williams of Powell, you know, So like he's

999
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 5: he has been productive, and usually when a guy hits

1000
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 5: like that, you're not looking to move him unless it's

1001
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 5: a fit issue, and so you're only thinking about moving

1002
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 5: him for anything, even if it is a center, if

1003
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 5: it's a finishes. That's the biggest reason. But on the

1004
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 5: flip side of that, I don't think that he's such

1005
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 5: a bad fit that they can't possibly, you know, continue

1006
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 5: life with him. You know. It's just I think you

1007
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 5: you have to imagine that there's better offers for him

1008
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 5: out there, there's a better situation for him out there

1009
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 5: that he would have to consider, you know, in restricted

1010
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 5: even in restricted free agency, and you know, there are

1011
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 5: other roster concerns that you're going to have. Like, I

1012
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 5: don't think he doesn't serve them any purpose. I think

1013
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 5: he was useful for them even in the playoff run

1014
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 5: last year. I think Rick Carlisle still like it in

1015
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 5: just the teacher pupil sense. Like, I think he still

1016
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 5: gets something out of working with them. I mean, I

1017
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 5: think even the other night when he had twenty five

1018
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 5: points in that loss of the Rockets, you know, he

1019
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 5: was like, man, he really liked the reads he was making.

1020
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 5: He think he's come so far with this. Like, I

1021
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 5: don't think for as much as some people think that,

1022
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 5: you know, Rick doesn't like that or whatever. Like, I

1023
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 5: think Rick feels like he's made a lot of progress.

1024
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 5: It's just it's just on the timeline that comes with

1025
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 5: contracts and it comes with roster building. It doesn't necessarily fit.

1026
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 5: But I think Rick Carlisle still sees a good player there.

1027
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 5: So I don't think Rick would be upset if they

1028
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 5: still have math and on the roster next year. I

1029
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 5: think he'd find a way to get something out of him.

1030
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 5: But like, I don't see a world where he starts

1031
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 5: over in nem harden Niswez. At the end of the day,

1032
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 5: when you've got a roster with how Eli Burton on it.

1033
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 5: I think those guys just too well fit the ball movement,

1034
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 5: you know, the style of play. I just don't think

1035
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 5: Matthern ever breaks past those guys and it's just not

1036
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 5: as good as a defender as they are. And so

1037
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 5: you know, like he's there's still a role for him

1038
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 5: off the bench going forward if he can't find another

1039
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 5: place to go and they can't find a way to

1040
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 5: turn him into a center. But you know, like if

1041
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 5: he gets stuck, I think he can be useful on

1042
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 5: that team. Stuff.

1043
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 1: We saw what happened Dustin eventually with Miles Turner. Maybe

1044
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: not on the floor, but you saw the end result

1045
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: with Miles Turner. Clearly, Miles Turner routinely being mentioned in

1046
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: trade talks and the DeAndre eight and offer a sheet

1047
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: weighed on Miles Turner. Is there any possibility the Pacers

1048
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: can enter that danger zone with Ben Matherin if he

1049
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: is a player they decide that they want to run

1050
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: with beyond this week?

1051
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 5: I mean there is there is sort of. I mean,

1052
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 5: I think you know what you would look back and say,

1053
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 5: there though, like yes, it weighed on Mouse Turner, but

1054
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 5: when they brought Haliburton back, and you know, like those

1055
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 5: the rumors, you know, for the most part, went away,

1056
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 5: Like I mean, like you still saw it every year,

1057
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 5: but like some of it wasn't as serious as it

1058
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 5: was in that first season where he and Haliburton really

1059
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 5: played together, like going into twenty two, twenty two to

1060
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 5: twenty three, when they did the extension later that year,

1061
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 5: you know, like that took a whole lot of weight off,

1062
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 5: and I think Turner played with that weight off of

1063
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 5: him until they went another direction. I think really going

1064
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 5: into free agency, I think he really thought he was

1065
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 5: going to stay. At least that's how he's described it is.

1066
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 5: You know, he he you know, bought in at that point,

1067
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 5: really and you saw a better version of MOUs Turner.

1068
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 5: You know, you would have to I think you would

1069
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 5: have to do something that indicates that you want to

1070
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 5: have him around for a long term and you think

1071
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 5: that he fits so if you never give him the

1072
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 5: indication otherwise, then yeah, you could run into that. But

1073
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 5: I mean they did, you know, over the course of

1074
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 5: that especially with that extension, say hey, we think you're

1075
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 5: the center that fits point guard. They would have to

1076
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 5: indicate the matter and somehow, you know, we think you

1077
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 5: fit a team with Tie on it, and there have

1078
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 5: been a lot of indications that they don't, so that

1079
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 5: you could run into that more because they've I think

1080
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 5: there's always been that idea out there, like you have

1081
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 5: to be this other player if you're going to play

1082
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 5: with Tie and you haven't proven it yet.

1083
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: Do you think when you look at Jay Huff that

1084
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: the pacers say to themselves, you know what if that's

1085
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: what we've got to go with in two years as

1086
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 1: our starting center?

1087
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: Cool, Yeah, we're cool with that.

1088
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: Or are they thinking to themselves each nice piece, but

1089
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: we've got to upgrade that in terms of a starter

1090
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: and a long minute guy.

1091
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 5: Yeah? The second I mean I think they I think

1092
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 5: they do see value there. And you know, I would

1093
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 5: say the way that Jay Huff has changed the dynamic

1094
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 5: is that they can see a world where they would

1095
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 5: get a center who doesn't shoot threes and start him

1096
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 5: and be able to bring Huff as a space is

1097
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 5: a spacer, a stretch five off the bench. You know

1098
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 5: that that I think is where he is shown value

1099
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 5: and change the way they look at things. You can

1100
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 5: block shots, he can shoot threes, you know, run the

1101
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 5: floor reasonably well and obviously the dunks are fun. But

1102
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 5: you know, like I think they look at and say, okay, well,

1103
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 5: if we need you know, we could get a lob guy,

1104
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 5: rim protector, rebounder and put him at you know, have

1105
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 5: him as the starter. I think they do think they

1106
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 5: have to upgrade that position. I think you know, you

1107
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 5: saw him try to guard Seng douin the other night

1108
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 5: and it was just brutal, you know, and and I

1109
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 5: go backstayd s health is like the nicest guy, and

1110
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 5: so like, I don't want to hit on him too

1111
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 5: much just because he's a good dude, but like he

1112
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 5: had I mean, he just could.

1113
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: Not well Dustin. I feel like he has.

1114
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned this earlier, offensively speaking, he has skill set

1115
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,479
Speaker 1: that I think really does and could could really feed

1116
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: well off Tyrese Haliburton. But at the same time, stamina

1117
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: and strength seem to be a defensive liability.

1118
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: Is that fair? Yeah?

1119
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just he's you know, when he's just muscled

1120
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 5: up guys, not even muscled up guys, I mean, just

1121
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 5: a Seng guine to somebody physical five man is pushing

1122
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 5: him around, you know, on the block, you know, just

1123
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 5: like on the glass and defensively just you know, I mean,

1124
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 5: like Sangoon was just able to move him, and he's

1125
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 5: not like quick enough to make up for that either.

1126
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 5: It's not like, okay, well, what he lacks in this

1127
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 5: bulk strength he makes up in speed and and sort

1128
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 5: of side to side, you know, lateral quickness. No, he's

1129
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 5: he's just not staying in front of those guys you

1130
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 5: know that are really driving at him and have really

1131
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 5: good spin moves and stuff like that. Again, he's good

1132
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 5: at getting to a rim protective state, I guess, and

1133
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 5: being able to block shots and that matters, and being

1134
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 5: able to rim protect matters, but just you know, when

1135
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 5: he's got to go man up with somebody, he just

1136
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 5: doesn't have the muscle to hang in there. And you know,

1137
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 5: like that's what they're gonna need against a guy like

1138
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 5: a Singoon or guy like you know, a Yah Honist

1139
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 5: or anybody you know, like any any of the real

1140
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 5: big guys. He's going to have trouble with. And so

1141
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 5: if you can't play him for ten minutes in those games,

1142
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 5: you know, like I mean, like he can't be your

1143
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 5: everyday starter here again, like there's there's use for him.

1144
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 5: I mean, I think there's a world where they can

1145
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 5: keep Jackson and keep Huff and have a better starter

1146
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 5: in that group, and all of those guys can have

1147
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 5: a role. But I just I don't think if you

1148
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 5: can't trust him to guard you know, the top five men.

1149
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 5: You know, like, you clearly need an upgrade if you

1150
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 5: want to win a championship. And that's the thing too,

1151
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 5: Like you you're not talking about this. Can you run

1152
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 5: out five guys and play a basketball game? You need

1153
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 5: you know, like, if you need to hit the expectations

1154
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 5: that are going to be there starting next year, you

1155
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 5: have to have an upgrade.

1156
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 4: Dustin, iapire the star joins us, Java House Peel and

1157
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 4: poor guest line. Dustin, I want to go back to

1158
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 4: that report you discussed earlier with Jake Fisher. Why would

1159
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 4: Indiana look into a guy like io'ld assuming when they

1160
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 4: have Tyree Celiburn, they have TJ. McConnell, and they have

1161
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 4: Andre nim Hard, Why would they need another point guard?

1162
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I think you play io off the ball,

1163
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 5: you know, I mean I think that's one thing. I

1164
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 5: mean they like having two point guards, two potential ball

1165
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 5: handlers on the floor. That's a big Rick Carlisle thing.

1166
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 3: And you know.

1167
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 5: I mean you could play him as a combo. I mean,

1168
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 5: like you can absolutely run him as a two. He's

1169
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 5: big enough. You know, he can defend. You know, he

1170
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 5: can slash and score and that kind of stuff. Like

1171
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 5: I don't I don't think that's uh, I don't. I

1172
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 5: don't think you're too redundant there basically, and again, like

1173
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 5: I think I u's got some capabilities of doing some

1174
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 5: things that that McConnell doesn't have. But I think you

1175
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 5: can put a car Like if you have McConnell and

1176
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 5: I who was your second you know, uh, your your

1177
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 5: second unit backcourt, that's not a problem. I don't think,

1178
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 5: you know, I don't think you can't play those two

1179
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 5: guys together. So I mean, I don't think he's so

1180
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 5: redundant that he caused you an issue. Like I don't

1181
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 5: think he can on to flip that. Like I don't

1182
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 5: think you can draft the Kingston Flemings out of Houston,

1183
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 5: you know, to add to that group. Like I don't

1184
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 5: think you want a pure point guard or smaller point guard,

1185
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 5: but I think a guy who's a little bit bigger

1186
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 5: than the combo. I Like, I don't think you're running

1187
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 5: the same kind of problem.

1188
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: There the the other thing that you have to factor in, Dustin,

1189
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: and you tell me if this is me overthinking it,

1190
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: which is a possibility. So times trades happened and Bruce

1191
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: Brown comes to mind, and I can't remember if they

1192
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: had signed Bruce Brown or traded for Bruce Brown. But

1193
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: sometimes acquisitions happen and they seem very peculiar. And what

1194
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: you don't factor in is that that is the first

1195
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: of a two step process.

1196
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 5: Yes, that possible. The Bruce Brown thing is the Bruce

1197
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 5: Brown thing is perfect because I mean because it was

1198
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 5: an overpay and they had and they one they had

1199
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 5: to overpay to get to the floor. You know. That's

1200
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 5: the other thing is that, like that's a big reason

1201
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 5: why it worked out that it was the Pacers in

1202
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 5: the first place. Like they didn't need backcourt help that much,

1203
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 5: but you know, like I think they wanted they did

1204
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 5: want an experienced guy, they did want a little bit

1205
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 5: better defense on that. But you know the reason that

1206
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 5: works is you overpaid Bruce Brown. You've got twenty two

1207
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 5: million that you could put in the trade, and they

1208
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 5: were able to hold out on that deal until in

1209
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 5: Toronto was really ready to break it up. And you know,

1210
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 5: then having a guy that made twenty two million went

1211
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 5: a whole long way, and acquiring Siakam, you know, just

1212
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 5: being able to do that in terms of the money,

1213
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 5: and yeah, like that's that's absolutely a thing that can happen,

1214
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 5: is that you might acquire somebody and be able to

1215
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 5: move him for somebody else and sort of change that piece,

1216
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 5: and you might not be able to do it before

1217
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 5: you get that piece. So yeah, no, Bruce Brown is

1218
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 5: the classic example of you know, there was a little

1219
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 5: bit of okay, what are you doing? Like why is

1220
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 5: he work forty five million over two years? It's like, well,

1221
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 5: you know, they were able to move off of him

1222
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 5: in half a season. Once you got past the January

1223
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 5: fifteenth or I guess December fifteenth, you know, signing them on,

1224
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 5: you could look to move that piece. And you know,

1225
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 5: they didn't have really a package they could have put

1226
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 5: together for Siakam that summer that would have made sense.

1227
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 5: But with Brown, you know, especially once Toronto was one

1228
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 5: step further in the we definitely got to blow this

1229
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 5: up process at worked the Let.

1230
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: Me give you a question, Dustin. Dustin del Pirek is

1231
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: our guest job House Peel and poor guest line. He's

1232
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Star, something I thought about last night

1233
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: and has nothing.

1234
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 2: To do with the trade deadline.

1235
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: But when he has had to play more often than not,

1236
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: Quentin Jackson is a very offensively competent player. He's like

1237
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: instant buckets. He he can score quickly.

1238
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: He can score. He doesn't need a lot of warm

1239
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 2: up time to get going.

1240
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: And I don't know the answer to this, And I

1241
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: don't know if you have talked to Rick Carlisle or

1242
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: Kevin Pritchard or any of them about this.

1243
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: What is it that stops him? What?

1244
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: What is the what is what separates Quinton Jackson from

1245
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: being a rotational player and still being a two way player?

1246
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: What is the one thing of his game that needs

1247
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: improvement for him to be regular rotation guy?

1248
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 5: I mean he is still high risk in that. I mean,

1249
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 5: like he plays wild, you know, and that's sometimes exactly

1250
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 5: what they need. But I mean he's he's good for

1251
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 5: some less than you know, genius turnovers in some time

1252
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 5: to time. He's not a big guy. Like that's another

1253
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 5: thing too, Like he is skinny, and that's what's kind

1254
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 5: of held him back his entire career. And you know,

1255
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 5: he's a fascinating story. I'm kind of working on something

1256
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 5: on Quinton now, and you know, like that's that's been

1257
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 5: just the thing is like wait, when he came out,

1258
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 5: like you know, from high school, like one hundred and

1259
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 5: fifty five pounds or something like that, and he's still

1260
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 5: I mean, he's probably one seventy five, you know, and

1261
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 5: so like there's there's guys that he's going to have

1262
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 5: a hard time you know, staying with. Like where like

1263
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 5: Ben Shephard, you have a little bit bigger body, where

1264
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,479
Speaker 5: Shepherd's not nearly as explosive, you know, offensively in terms

1265
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 5: of his ability to get to the rim as you know,

1266
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 5: offensive explosion that kind of thing is about to jump.

1267
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 5: But you know, Shephard gives you a little bit more size,

1268
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 5: a little bit more laying. But you know, Jackson's going

1269
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 5: to get down and really reallyguard somebody. I mean, I

1270
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 5: think it's you know, the thing that he would have

1271
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 5: to improve at to get on the floor more would

1272
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 5: be just you know, a little bit smarter decision making,

1273
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 5: a little bit less turnovers, a little bit more wild stuff.

1274
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 5: But like they also don't want to get in it's

1275
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 5: way too much because they like the juice that he brings.

1276
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 5: They like the fact easier a stake. They like the

1277
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 5: fact that he goes all out and like where he is,

1278
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 5: they like that, you know, like I'm not I think

1279
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 5: to be something else, He's got to be steadier and

1280
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 5: and it just would have helped, you know, it would

1281
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 5: help that he was bigger, and I think, I mean,

1282
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 5: like the size is probably the biggest thing holds him

1283
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 5: back from being a rotation guy. But you know, they

1284
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 5: they love what they get from off the bench. I mean,

1285
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 5: Rick's a big, big Quenton Jackson fan. And you know,

1286
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 5: I mean they've started him, you know, I mean like

1287
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 5: when when they're down enough guys, you know, like Rick

1288
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 5: elevates him over other guys that that technically seem to be,

1289
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 5: you know, higher up on the food chain. And I

1290
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 5: mean if they started Cam Jones last night, just because

1291
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 5: you know, you want to give the rookie the opportunity.

1292
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,959
Speaker 5: But Quenton was by far the more effective player between

1293
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 5: the two, and Jones wasn't bad. But I mean Jackson

1294
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 5: when he was out there this plus fifteen, you know,

1295
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 5: I mean, like he was like they might have won

1296
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 5: the game if they played Quinton's for thirty five minutes Dustin.

1297
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 4: I know you don't cover this team, but do you

1298
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 4: have any thoughts on where a good fit for Gianna

1299
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 4: Santa Takupu.

1300
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 5: Is kind it's so hard because I mean, he's such

1301
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 5: a big piece to move, you know, like, and I mean,

1302
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 5: I guess Miami, because I'm I think Miami can at

1303
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,919
Speaker 5: least put together a package. I mean, I know they're

1304
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 5: talking about Minnesota being aggressive, and man, that would be something,

1305
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 5: you know, with Edwards and if they were able to

1306
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 5: put Edwards and Johnis together, I mean, that would be

1307
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 5: a force and that would be fun stuff. And you

1308
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 5: probably have to move I mean, I guess you'd have

1309
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 5: to move Gobert. I'm trying to. I'm not like, off

1310
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 5: the top of my head, i don't know. What Gobert

1311
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 5: makes is probably like thirty million, you know, and that

1312
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 5: that puts you in the range where you can get

1313
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 5: to that fifty four. It GE's just tough, you know,

1314
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 5: Like it's like because of the way the NBA does things,

1315
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 5: and it's good because of the competitive balance it creates

1316
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 5: that Like you got to find fifty four million, you

1317
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Like I was like, somebody, you know,

1318
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 5: send an email to Greg Doyle and that Greg releases

1319
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 5: Calum with the day and he's like, well, you know

1320
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 5: what if they traded the first you know, that that

1321
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 5: top pick, Like, wouldn't that be interesting? And it would,

1322
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 5: but it's like you still have to find fifty four million,

1323
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 5: like you like, the Pacers would have to put obi

1324
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 5: top and an entry them hard together unless they're wone

1325
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 5: to move Siakam, So like they don't become really a

1326
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 5: contender in that as much as you know, hey, like yeah,

1327
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 5: Halliburton Siakam thing would be fun and if you're the Bucks,

1328
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 5: you'd love to have a top five pick, but you

1329
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 5: got to find the money. And so I think Miami

1330
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 5: and Minnesota I think are the ones that make the

1331
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 5: most sense to me so far. And having some guys

1332
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 5: that are a little bit you know, overpaid that they

1333
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 5: could he could you be willing to part with and

1334
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 5: they would fit in those circumstances, and it's it's a

1335
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 5: good team if you imagine them together. You know, I

1336
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 5: think those are two teams that stand out to me

1337
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 5: that I could see it. But it's it's just hard

1338
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 5: to move a guy with that kind you know, that

1339
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 5: makes that kind of money. It's not an easy deal

1340
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 5: to make.

1341
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: What did you think, by the way of Cam Jones'

1342
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: performance last night, really the first time, I think, you know,

1343
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: we're starting to see him get some minutes. Not saying

1344
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: that he's going to be a long term rotational piece

1345
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: for them, but they did think highly of him when

1346
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: they when they drafted him. Your thoughts on what he

1347
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: was able to do or not do, Yeah, decent.

1348
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 5: I mean I think you know, it's it's still I mean,

1349
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 5: he could be you know, he could be useful long term.

1350
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 5: They've certainly turned second round picks in the in the

1351
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 5: useful players fur Fey and obviously Mamhard, So you know,

1352
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 5: like he had the chance, and I think it's it's

1353
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 5: just been, as Ricarlos pointing out, it's just been a

1354
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 5: really tough break for the kid. I mean, like, you know,

1355
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 5: he didn't he didn't have a preseason camp because he

1356
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 5: has that lower back thing, you know, I mean, like,

1357
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 5: I mean, he was a brace for a minute, and

1358
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 5: so like he doesn't get out of the floor until

1359
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 5: like I mean, he didn't even really start doing some

1360
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 5: in December, and I remember just like watching him at

1361
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 5: the end of practices, you know, right around that NBA

1362
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 5: Cup break and I mean me and Tony us Will

1363
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 5: watches like, man, he's far off, like he don't look

1364
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 5: like he has any you know, like like his body

1365
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 5: don't look right at all right now, and he's come

1366
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 5: such a long way a lot, you know. I mean,

1367
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 5: he just looks so much smoother and like shot looks

1368
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 5: pretty good. I mean, I think you're reminded of some

1369
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 5: stuff he did at Marquette, Like he's got a really

1370
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 5: good at playing off at two feet, you know, ability

1371
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 5: to really score it all three levels, really good touch

1372
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 5: around the rim, you know, ability to kind of have

1373
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 5: different kinds of finishes that you really like is you know,

1374
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 5: willing past or you know pretty good you know again,

1375
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 5: ability to create off the bounce, to create for other

1376
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 5: people off the bounce.

1377
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 3: It it was all all pretty good stuff.

1378
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 5: And you know, not the best defender, but but you know,

1379
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 5: they kind of think he didn't really do anyth good

1380
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 5: on defense. I've reminded that that stood out to me

1381
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 5: last night. That wasn't too great. But you know, offensively,

1382
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 5: he gives you a lot of potential weapons and you

1383
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 5: can see him being you know, a death point guard

1384
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 5: in the long term, and like they're there Will be

1385
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 5: a time when you start to see TJ slow down it.

1386
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 5: You know, like as good as he is at fighting

1387
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 5: father time off and he's excellent at it, you know

1388
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 5: there will be a time where they need there needs

1389
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 5: to be a third guy in this group. In the distance,

1390
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 5: you could see Cam Jones baby being that guy.

1391
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 4: After the game Monday night, you and Benedict Matheren had

1392
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 4: a pretty fun little interaction there, you two kind of

1393
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 4: flirting with each other and smiling back unfortunately with one another.

1394
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 4: It is eleven pm around that time in Milwaukee when

1395
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 4: you are in the media room and you're waiting on

1396
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 4: a player uh to smile at and is Ben Matherin

1397
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 4: walking through that door and you smile and you're smiling

1398
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 4: at him at eleven pm Friday night.

1399
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 5: You're killed me? You killed me? Coin flip Yeah, man,

1400
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 5: I mean I think it's fifty fifty. Obviously, they've they've

1401
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 5: got to explore all options here, and you know, like

1402
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 5: like I just be they It does not seem like

1403
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 5: they want to swing and give him a real big extension.

1404
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 5: If if you're keeping around, you're doing it on the

1405
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 5: possibility that you think there's just not enough of a

1406
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 5: market for him for somebody to take him off your hands,

1407
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 5: you know, in terms of free agency. So I mean, like,

1408
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 5: does some think Ben I think Ben has a look

1409
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 5: to him that says, I'm okay with moving on?

1410
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 2: Could they get more?

1411
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: Could they get more for him if they wait and

1412
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: do it as a sign in trade, so that a

1413
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 1: team has stability of knowing how long they're getting the

1414
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: guy under under a contract?

1415
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: Could that maybe could that get more pay back?

1416
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1417
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 5: Maybe? Like I don't know, And I think that's not

1418
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 5: like if if you're you know, like if you're Kevin

1419
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 5: Pusher and Chad Buchan, and that's what you need to

1420
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 5: know right now, you know, that's that's the that's the

1421
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 5: question you have to have asked. I would think if

1422
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 5: you're calling and talking to these teams as far as

1423
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 5: trade partners are concerned, that's what you would want to

1424
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 5: find out, you know, and say like okay, like do

1425
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 5: you want this guy signed for a longer time? Like

1426
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 5: how how much do you want him? What's he mean

1427
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 5: to you? And you know, like like I certainly, however

1428
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 5: they do this probably tells you what the answer is

1429
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 5: to that question. Like I don't know, But if you're

1430
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 5: you know, like that's you know, I don't know, like

1431
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 5: it's hard to say. I think it's a question of

1432
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 5: it does go back. I think to Jake, something you've

1433
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 5: said a few times is the twenty five twenty guy

1434
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,759
Speaker 5: or is the twenty twenty.

1435
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: Five let me tell you something doesn't okay. Just you

1436
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:21,520
Speaker 1: remember that you have no idea. Do you watch Seinfeld

1437
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:22,560
Speaker 1: by chance.

1438
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 5: From time to time. I'm not like a devoted voted.

1439
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: At the risk of offending listeners and or in case

1440
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,799
Speaker 1: kids are listening, there's a there's an episode where George

1441
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: Costanza goes and gets a massage and it happens to

1442
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 1: be a male masseuse, and he makes mention of a

1443
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: concern he had just in terms of his biological reaction

1444
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:43,879
Speaker 1: to that.

1445
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: That's similar to how I.

1446
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: Feel knowing that you reference the twenty twenty five guy,

1447
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: the fact that you an esteemed established NBA beat writer

1448
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: with credentials, and you know, an accolade, and you're willing

1449
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: to go to this dog and Pony show and pick

1450
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: up on twenty twenty five guy, which is a guy

1451
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: destined to score twenty a game on a twenty five

1452
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: win team for the totality of his career you have

1453
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: no idea what that means for me.

1454
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 5: I mean you have mentioned it's gonna be probably three

1455
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 5: or four times, so it did stick. But I think

1456
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,520
Speaker 5: you're right. But it is a useful it's useful terminology.

1457
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 5: It is it is a very good concept. Jack. I'm

1458
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 5: not going to get into the visuals that came from

1459
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 5: that Seinfeld story, so I would just say it is

1460
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 5: a good concept. It is a good concept, and it

1461
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 5: is one that you just keep out there because there

1462
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 5: is there are guys like that. It's like, okay, like

1463
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 5: that guy can score anywhere, but does he help you win?

1464
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 5: And you know, I am interested. I do wonder if

1465
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 5: other teams look at him and say, well, that guy

1466
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 5: can get you twenty five a night, but what's that

1467
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 5: twenty five to night getting yet, Like if he's just

1468
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 5: you know, going one on one and all that kind

1469
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 5: of stuff and just just worried about how much he scores,

1470
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 5: you know, how much does that make a difference? Right again,

1471
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 5: I think he's made a lot of progress. And you

1472
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 5: know that's that's honestly why you keep seeing me like

1473
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 5: get caught a massive because every time I ask a

1474
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 5: question about passing or something he had, he flashes that,

1475
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 5: and I'm like, okay, like I need to need to know,

1476
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 5: like I'm not insulting you, you know, and like I

1477
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 5: do think he's made rope progress as far as that's concerned,

1478
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 5: and that he has become a much better team oriented player.

1479
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 5: But one, he has a long you know, still has

1480
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 5: a long way to go. And two Memhard and the

1481
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 5: Smiths are just way more natural at it. That's just

1482
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 5: how they play. And Mesine has to go a long way.

1483
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 5: But I am you know, I am interested in if

1484
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 5: other execs look at him. So, okay, that's just that

1485
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 5: that's an empty calories guy. I know he can score.

1486
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: Well, Hold on, hold on, hold the phone. Can you

1487
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: hit the breaking news sounder if you could, please, Eddie

1488
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: hit the breaking Dustin just used the term. I kid

1489
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: you not that I was about to say the other

1490
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: one that I coined. Now, I don't know, Dustin. Maybe

1491
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: it's the bate of mind help phenomenon. I thought I

1492
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: coined empty calories guy, And the fact that you just

1493
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: used it there means once again I've crept into your

1494
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 1: subconscious there. Maybe maybe maybe I subconscious got it from you.

1495
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: But empty calories guy, also a beautiful term. And I'm

1496
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna rip credit for that if I can go ahead. Yes,

1497
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: empty calories, guy, Eddie, you've heard me mention it, right,

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Speaker 1: that's the next one that I'm all on the train.

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01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: We're retiring twenty twenty five, guy, all in on empty calories.

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01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,839
Speaker 1: Guys right, and Dustin's going to use all of them. Dustin,

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01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time as always.

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01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 5: Man, absolute thanks for having me.

1503
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: Dustin appirak from the Indianapolis Star, the Indiana Pacers beat

1504
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: writer job Alice Peel and poor Guestlin we come back.

1505
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: There was something that Indiana seemed to have lost during

1506
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: the drive that one has to make to get from

1507
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,799
Speaker 1: the UCLA campus to the USC campus. I'll explain next.

1508
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 1: By the way, my buddy Pat Dyer, who runs the

1509
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: lounge up at the Keystone Arts Cinema up at the

1510
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: Fashion Mall, big Seinfeld fan, and he just said, Hey, Jake,

1511
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: your ability to reference the George scene in Seinfeld while

1512
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: being at Clean for Radio was an excellent use of

1513
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: q R q R.

1514
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 2: Again. Last night, I was at the Pacer game.

1515
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: I was going to get a bottled water and I

1516
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: passed Eddie Gill.

1517
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 2: We just gave that, you know, what's up? What's up?

1518
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: Then as I walked past, he goes, oh, QR, And

1519
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,799
Speaker 1: you could tell a number of people in the area

1520
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: acknowledged it because they understood that QR the code in

1521
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: which we were speaking. Now, Also, by the way, before

1522
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: we get into IU last night.

1523
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 4: Did you have phone with Derek last night?

1524
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 2: The game was entertaining? Derek Schultz did accompany me.

1525
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: Yes, he did make comment because Derek never pleased right,

1526
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: Derek did mention when I picked him up. He said, oh, okay,

1527
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: so you finally invite me to a game and it

1528
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 1: happens to be the most meaningless and worst matchup in

1529
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: the history of the Pacers NBA. And I said, okay,

1530
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I believe it's Josh. I

1531
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: got to get the name right here. Eric, excuse me, Hey, hey, Jake,

1532
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 1: Eric from Fisher's Eric sent me a book that is

1533
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: very cool about the Pacers run through the playoffs. I

1534
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 1: will get into it and then give a you know,

1535
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: more of a report on the book. But I received

1536
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: it today when I came into work, the book about

1537
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: the PACER's playoff run, and he was it's basically his

1538
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 1: his The Pacers Playoff Run via his photos and it's

1539
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: it's it's cool because it really does do a good

1540
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: job of expressing and you know, reliving the magic of

1541
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: that run for this city and as a pacer fan.

1542
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: So I look forward to looking at that, Eric, and

1543
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I did get it, he says. I'm

1544
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: also working with my ten year old son to get

1545
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: the QR going at a school. The teachers are going

1546
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: to be thrilled. See Derek, it's a thing.

1547
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.

1548
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 4: No, it's not. But I can tell you what is

1549
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 4: a thing, Jake. If you text the word home ho

1550
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 4: m E to three one seven two three nine ten seventy,

1551
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 4: you will be put into a grouping of people with

1552
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 4: a chance to win a four pack of tickets to

1553
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 4: the suburban Indie home show that is on UH this

1554
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 4: weekend actually February sixth through the eighth at Grand Park.

1555
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 4: If you text home ho ME to three one seven

1556
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 4: two three nine ten seventy, you will be entered into

1557
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 4: a drawing for a four pack of tickets.

1558
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 2: Home is essentially UH.

1559
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 1: That's the code word to try to win, right Sure,

1560
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: when you speak in that sort of code, it's QR.

1561
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: See the kids like the six seven but QR is

1562
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 2: where it's going. Now.

1563
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: That's the new thing. You say to your friends, we're

1564
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: talking QR. That means you're talking in code, and they

1565
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: love it. Kids love it. Last night I watched the

1566
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: Indiana game against usc and they almost pulled the They

1567
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: almost pulled a UCLA because they were down and it

1568
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: looked like they were going to have this furious comeback

1569
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,799
Speaker 1: to force it overtime like UCLA had done in Indiana,

1570
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 1: where Indiana ended up winning in double overtime.

1571
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:22,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1572
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 2: But the one thing that.

1573
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 1: And I'm you have to be careful in sport and

1574
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: in basketball to not get swept up in anomaly. And

1575
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 1: Nick Dorn and the way that he's played for the

1576
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: last three to four games and his ability to shoot

1577
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: from the outside and give Indiana a second scoring option

1578
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: to compliment Lamar Wilkerson was so big for them and

1579
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: looked like a key piece that was going to be

1580
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: able to give them consistency heading down the stretch. And

1581
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, they're now in the top thirty five in

1582
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: terms of like the net rankings for and NCAA tournament

1583
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: birth so they're good in that regard, but they got

1584
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: to maintain right. Yeah, and Nick Dorn you were hoping

1585
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: to see. And so the question becomes, this was last

1586
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 1: night the anomaly for Nick Dorn two of twelve from

1587
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: the floor and all of those from three point range.

1588
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: Two of twelve from three point range? Is that the

1589
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 1: anomaly or is the anomaly what we saw leading up

1590
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:33,440
Speaker 1: to this game of recent.

1591
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 4: I think last night was the anomaly. And Lamar Wilkerson

1592
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 4: kind of said it after the game that they're not

1593
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 4: going to make excuses, you know, for losing a game,

1594
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 4: but he just had it felt like they had lost

1595
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 4: their legs from yeah, all the travel being you could

1596
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 4: kind of tell that.

1597
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 2: In their free throw shooting that they were fatigued, right right.

1598
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 4: Nick Dorn goes two of twelve. Tucker Davriza's one of nine,

1599
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 4: So three for twenty one between those two guys. When

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01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 4: you need one of them to be your second leading

1601
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 4: scorer on any given night, is and it's not gonna

1602
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 4: cut it.

1603
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:06,759
Speaker 1: I wondered, and maybe I'm naive to this is Tucker

1604
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: Devreees playing through an injury.

1605
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 4: I know he was hurt last year, no idea.

1606
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: But he looked limited in terms of his mobility. He

1607
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 1: just looked.

1608
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 2: He looked like almost like he had a lower back

1609
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 2: pain or something. I don't know.

1610
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 1: It's hard to explain, but he just did not look fluid.

1611
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: But Nick Dorn, you know, somehow, some way, and that

1612
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: happened sometimes to guys. He lost his shot between bel

1613
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 1: Air and USC.

1614
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 2: But Indiana is.

1615
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:42,560
Speaker 1: Still that was an interesting game because those two teams,

1616
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, are having very similar seasons to one another,

1617
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: and Indiana's in the middle of a tough stretch here,

1618
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: no doubt about that.

1619
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, Saturday's game is going to be really really

1620
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 4: important towards that tournament resume and continuing to build it

1621
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 4: right at home against Wisconsin because you look at some

1622
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 4: of the upcoming up oponents. You've got Illinois on the road,

1623
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 4: Perdue on the road, Michigan State comes to Assembly Hall,

1624
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 4: You're on the road at Ohio State. The other games

1625
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 4: left on the schedule that pretty much you have to

1626
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 4: win Wisconsin, Oregon, Northwestern Minnesota. And the fortunate thing for

1627
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 4: IU is that they have all of those games at home.

1628
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 4: So they've got five of their next seven and five

1629
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 4: of the final eight at Assembly Hall, which is helpful

1630
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 4: for the Hoosiers and hopefully they can get.

1631
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: A couple wins now Eddie had a wager in regards

1632
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: to me, and I think I actually helped him win.

1633
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 1: And it has to do with something that I have

1634
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:48,719
Speaker 1: not yet mentioned. So we'll get to that next. Nineteen

1635
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: years ago today, this guy was performing in Miami? Am

1636
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: I right about that? Is that for boy seventh? I

1637
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 1: thought somebody said a thing today saying that the Colts

1638
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl nineteen years ago today, But I

1639
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: was thinking it was February seventh. We have the date

1640
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: on that, Eddy, I'll pull it up. It's hard to

1641
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: believe that that was almost twenty years ago. That stuns me.

1642
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: It was it February fourth or February seventh?

1643
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 4: Wasn't the parades? I was fifth, so it had.

1644
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: To be the fourth, Okay, so it was nineteen years

1645
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: ago today. Back in those days, when you think about

1646
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: when the Colts won the Super Bowl, there was, and

1647
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, the eight degree kind of

1648
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: makeshift parade through downtown because there was confusion because there

1649
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: was a delay coming back and it was super cold

1650
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: out and they were going to do a celebration, which

1651
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: they did at the RCA Dome, and people were like,

1652
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: but no, like, not everybody can get there so we

1653
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: need to do a parade, and so they did one,

1654
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 1: but they had to do it quickly, and they.

1655
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:13,560
Speaker 2: Had to do everything.

1656
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: Kind of sandwiched in from a time standpoint because of

1657
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: the fact that a number of notable Colts players were

1658
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: on their way to the Pro Bowl, which would take

1659
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: place like a week after the Super Bowl. It was

1660
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: always in Hawaii in Aloha Stadium. I was able to

1661
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: go and cover one of them. The two most three

1662
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: most memorable things that happened from when I covered the

1663
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Number one, that was the Peyton manning Mike

1664
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: Vanderjat liquored up kicker year when he said that to

1665
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 1: Lynn Swan and then I interviewed him after the game

1666
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: about the his comments, if you will. Second, being before

1667
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: the game, I was in the back tunnels of the

1668
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 1: stadium looking for a restroom, turned a corner and bumped

1669
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 1: into one of the pregame performers and about knocked her over.

1670
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: It had to do that thing where you kind of

1671
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: catch somebody, and it was Jennifer Love Hewitt, and I'm like,

1672
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: oh hey, and someone else said, well, the restrooms around

1673
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: the corner, there's a locker room, and I went into

1674
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: the locker room, and the mascots were in the locker room,

1675
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,560
Speaker 1: and I witnessed, and I will not say which two franchises,

1676
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: but two of the mascots, with their heads off, were

1677
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: sharing a lungdart together smoking some cigarettes, which was both

1678
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: traumatizing and hilarious. The point being, not a single thing

1679
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: that happened on the field was memorable in that game.

1680
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything about the Pro Bowl itself, and

1681
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,759
Speaker 1: I don't know why it is that there are memorable

1682
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: MOS moments from the Major.

1683
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 2: League Baseball All Star Game.

1684
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: Historically speaking, there are memorable moments from the NBA All

1685
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: Star Game. Historically speaking, I don't know of anything that

1686
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 1: happened in terms of game stuff other than maybe Jeff's

1687
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 1: Saturday and Peyton Manning taking an honorary snap.

1688
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 4: You got Sean Taylor blowing up Sean Taylor.

1689
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 2: That's a good one.

1690
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he blew somebody up, and that was the

1691
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: Ray Fosse Pete Rose moment of the NFL. But Eddie,

1692
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: you apparently had a wager in regards to the Pro

1693
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: Bowl and this broadcast today.

1694
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 2: Correct.

1695
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So you know, the one good friend that

1696
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 4: I have is Alec, and he listens to the show

1697
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 4: from time to time when he's in his car, he's

1698
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 4: not busy working because he drives around all day doing stuff.

1699
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 4: And we made a wager on how long it would

1700
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 4: take for you to ask people if they knew that

1701
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 4: the Pro Bowl games were last night, and his wager

1702
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 4: was ten minutes. I said, I'll take the over.

1703
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 2: What percent of equal zero? Honestly like zero? What did

1704
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 2: they do?

1705
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 1: Flag football? Okay, We're going to do one of my

1706
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: famous cell phone roll calls. Okay, okay.

1707
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 4: We also have breaking news in the Association. This from

1708
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 4: Sean Shirania. The Washington Wizards pull off a stunner. They

1709
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 4: are acquiring ten time NBA All Star Anthony Davis, Jaden Hardy,

1710
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 4: D'Angelo Russell, and Dante Exem from the Dallas Mavericks and

1711
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 4: Washington will be trading Chris Middleton, A J. Johnson, Malachi Brandham,

1712
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 4: Marvin Bagley, the third, two first round picks, and three

1713
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 4: second round picks. Dallas is receiving a twenty twenty six

1714
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:56,480
Speaker 4: thunder first round pick and a twenty thirty protected Warriors

1715
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 4: first round pick from the deal with Washington, along with

1716
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 4: second rounders in years that nobody cares about.

1717
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,679
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis goes back to what I talked about earlier,

1718
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: to proceed with caution. You make a trade that appears

1719
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: to be a big move and then before you know what,

1720
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:18,919
Speaker 1: that player is just like becomes a vagabond salary match

1721
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: guy that floats around. That trade right there basically is

1722
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks had a like a small hammer, well

1723
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: a hammer that used to be a really nice hammer

1724
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: and it's still a decent hammer, and the Washington Wizards

1725
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 1: kind of wanted that hammer, so they traded everything else

1726
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: in their junk drawer for one hammer that kind of

1727
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: doesn't work anymore.

1728
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 2: Rest of that was a lot of junk piece.

1729
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: But that is big for Anthony Davis, and it further

1730
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: shows if you are the Dallas back that recks out,

1731
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: they have to be like, you've got to be kidding

1732
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 1: meet that we traded Luka Doncis for a guy that

1733
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: then sat like basically played cumulatively one year over two years,

1734
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: and now we're sending them along with his way.

1735
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 4: I don't even know if he's played that much. But

1736
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 4: how about Washington though, Like it seems like they've got

1737
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 4: their core that they want to rock with next year

1738
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 4: to kind of make a shot at winning some games

1739
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 4: and getting back to relevancy in the Eastern Conference. You've

1740
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 4: got Trey Young, you have a nice up and coming

1741
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 4: player in Trey Johnson, and Kaishan George to go with

1742
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:34,520
Speaker 4: Alex sarbalal Kulabali. You add in uh George player, yeah,

1743
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 4: bub Carrington also a solid player that comes out the

1744
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 4: bench from them like they've got some guys now they do.

1745
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: I kind of enjoyed it when the Pacers and Wizards

1746
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: had like this brief little like playoff rivalry thing a

1747
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: couple of years ago.

1748
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 4: Oh the plan when it was Russell Westbrook going for

1749
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:49,719
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen and fifteen.

1750
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: But then they had the years though, where they had

1751
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: series with each other with Beal and or tot I

1752
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: mean and john Wall going back. But okay, here here's

1753
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: my question, and I want an answer literally. You can

1754
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: just send me a yes or no answer at three

1755
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: one seven five to two three ninety two eighty eight.

1756
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: Three one seven five to two three ninety two eighty eight.

1757
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: Did you watch follow or pay attention at all or

1758
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 1: were you even aware? You know, I'll even got more

1759
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: elementary should you are aware?

1760
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 4: Our question of the day Okay, there you go, Jake Query,

1761
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 4: Jake Query on.

1762
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: X were you aware of the Pro Bowl yesterday? Were

1763
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: you even aware of yesterday's Pro Bowl festivities until they happened?

1764
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 1: That's the question. I'll put it out on a Twitter

1765
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:49,600
Speaker 1: poll and Zach, thank you man, thank you from the

1766
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Star joins us next. Okay, so the votes are

1767
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: starting to come in and appears as.

1768
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:56,600
Speaker 2: Though I'm not.

1769
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 1: There are a lot of areas where I will admit guilty,

1770
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: one of them being apparently not drinking enough honey tea.

1771
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: I feel fine. It's the weirdest thing ever. I typically

1772
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: do not have like voice lose your voice problems. Most

1773
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 1: broadcasters do go through periods of it.

1774
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, Jake, you need to go to Java

1775
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 4: House dot com, get some of their green tea and

1776
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 4: then with the peel and poor pod, warm it up

1777
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 4: and put some honey in there.

1778
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: M good stuff. Pretty good call right there. Of course

1779
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: I could do so by putting in Jake twenty five

1780
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 1: and getting twenty five percent off.

1781
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 4: Well, see that's the thing. Yeah, you can do Jake

1782
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 4: twenty five, get twenty five percent off the order. There

1783
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 4: you go, good call, good call.

1784
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 1: And then I'd have to be like Chris Cross and

1785
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: warm it up. Chris, Right, That's what I'm drinking in here.

1786
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: I'm about to the survey. So far, the vast majority

1787
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 1: of people that appears as though either they are saying

1788
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 1: they did not know about the Pro Bowl or they

1789
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: knew about it and paid no attention. And it's fascinating

1790
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 1: to me that the NFL, as the eight hundred pound

1791
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 1: guerrilla of professional sports, has always had the least paid

1792
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: attention to All Star Game, and now and again I

1793
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: think part of it. I'm going to bring Zach Osterman

1794
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 1: into this equation. Now, Zach, of course, with the Indianapolis Star,

1795
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest line and Zach, you

1796
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: thought you were coming on here to talk about Indiana

1797
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: and USC last night. But I'm going to begin with

1798
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 1: because you're probably still a little bit in football mode,

1799
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 1: I'm going to begin with for you a football question.

1800
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 2: Are you prepared?

1801
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Okay, it's an NFL question though not

1802
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: a college football question. I'd like for you to tell

1803
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 1: me if you agree or disagree with the following statement.

1804
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: And I because I think there might be some bias

1805
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: here on my behalf because of the market where I'm working.

1806
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: But you grew up in Atlanta. You're a Falcons fan.

1807
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: They've had runs where they've been pretty competitive. They don't

1808
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 1: necessarily have The Falcons don't have a natural rival per

1809
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: se in the two teams that are participating to hold

1810
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: on amongst the two teams that are participating. Albeit the

1811
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: twenty eight to three still really hurts. I get that,

1812
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:35,639
Speaker 1: But it seems to me that this Super Bowl leading

1813
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: up to it has a lot less national cultural juice

1814
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:44,759
Speaker 1: versus other years. I have heard a lesser amount about

1815
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 1: Media Day and big storylines going into it, and buzz

1816
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 1: and hype and people getting fired up for it and

1817
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: what commercials are going to be out there other than

1818
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: the halftime show. I've heard very little buzz and anticipation

1819
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 1: and excitement on the street about the Super Bowl. But

1820
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 1: maybe that's because I'm doing a radio show at a

1821
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 1: market that is very far from Seattle and hates New England.

1822
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 2: What say you, I.

1823
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:14,759
Speaker 3: Don't think that's unfair. I think.

1824
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm looking at this while we're talking here,

1825
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 7: and somebody probably could have this more immediately at hand

1826
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 7: than me. You know, when it was the last time

1827
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 7: that we had a Super Bowl that did not include

1828
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:35,560
Speaker 7: like an established superstar quarterback.

1829
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 1: Right or or an established Diana like.

1830
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 7: A team, or even just a head coach, you know,

1831
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 7: like a like an Andy Reid type figure, or you know,

1832
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 7: I mean, Mike Rabel's obviously been around a while. But

1833
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 7: it's not like either the you know, it's not like

1834
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 7: Dick Vermeil chasing his first super Bowl with the Rams

1835
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 7: like it. I don't know if this is going to

1836
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 7: be a changing of the Guards season or if this

1837
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 7: is just kind of one of those years.

1838
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 3: Obviously Kansas City was down.

1839
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 7: You know, we can probably have a conversation about maybe

1840
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 7: some of the shifting dynamics and quarterback playing.

1841
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,680
Speaker 3: General in the league.

1842
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 7: But I do think, you know, maybe we look at

1843
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 7: this as an outlier. Maybe this is just, you know,

1844
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 7: the beginning of something. Whether it's like the beginning of

1845
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 7: a run for the Seahawks, or it's the beginning of

1846
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 7: you know, three super Bowl championships for Drake May. I

1847
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 7: don't know, but it's just, you know, if you if

1848
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 7: you think back to these last several super Bowls, you've

1849
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 7: got Pat Mahomes, You've got you know, Sean McVay versus

1850
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow, You've got, obviously, you know, all the stuff that,

1851
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 7: especially in the moment, wound up being compelling with the

1852
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 7: Eagles and their Super Bowls. You've got Tom Brady and

1853
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 7: Bill Belichick. You've got you.

1854
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 3: Know, Tom Brady in Tampa Bay.

1855
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 7: You've got the Kyle Shanahan of it all when when

1856
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 7: he's been in in the Super Bowl. And we obviously

1857
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,639
Speaker 7: don't need to bring up too much about twenty seventeen,

1858
01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,759
Speaker 7: but it just feels like a year where, for whatever reason,

1859
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:05,679
Speaker 7: and an abnormal number of storylines reset themselves at once.

1860
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 3: And then you couple that to the fact that it

1861
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 3: is the West Coast Super Bowl.

1862
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:13,600
Speaker 7: It's you know, it's it's in San Francisco, which is

1863
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 7: someone who's covered a Bowl game out there, that's it's

1864
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 7: kind of an awkward place because everything's going to be

1865
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 7: in San Francisco, and Levi Stadium is nowhere near San Francisco.

1866
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 7: It does feel oddly to disconnected. I agree with you.

1867
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: Do you think part of it also is the fact

1868
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 1: that we are in Indianapolis, and while people here are

1869
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 1: passionate about the Colts, there's an element of almost like

1870
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 1: a fomo of like you know what that here are

1871
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:44,600
Speaker 1: two franchises that you know, when when Andrew Luck retired,

1872
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: the Seahawks like didn't even Sam Darnold was nowhere near

1873
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 1: their radar. And when Andrew Luck retired that you know,

1874
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 1: Drake May was like probably in late middle school, and

1875
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel was you know, nowhere in the in the

1876
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: conscious of New England. And yet these are two franchises

1877
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 1: that god aggressive, did what they had to do and

1878
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 1: got back there, and the cults are still sitting around

1879
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: with the same storyline and the same narrative of did

1880
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: you know ANDERW.

1881
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 2: Luck retired? And that has just.

1882
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 1: Caused people to become like a loof about it. Am

1883
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 1: I being too cynical?

1884
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 7: No, I don't think that's that's totally unfair. And I mean, listen,

1885
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 7: you know it didn't feel that way for a lot

1886
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 7: of this season, right, And I'm not a cold fan,

1887
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 7: but you know, I worked for the Star. I live

1888
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 7: in the the indie market. Like there was a point

1889
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:33,719
Speaker 7: where we thought liveit this way. I know, Sam Donald,

1890
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 7: you know, didn't come out of nowhere this year, but

1891
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 7: there was a point where we all wondered if Daniel

1892
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 7: Jones was maybe doing something. I get it, that's fair

1893
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 7: it's similar to to what Sam Darnald did, what like

1894
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 7: last year, just this year with Indianapolis, and then the

1895
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 7: injuries happened, and you know, maybe that's a little bit

1896
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 7: of a reminder of just like the fragility of life

1897
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 7: in the NFL, that all it takes is a little

1898
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 7: bit of quarterback uncertainty and the whole thing gets beat

1899
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 7: sixth and I think, again, we can you know, maybe

1900
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 7: it's really easy to start looking at the at the

1901
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 7: past through rose colored glasses that say, geez, weren't things

1902
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 7: great ten years ago? But it does feel like maybe

1903
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 7: in general, like quarterback play has started to turn a

1904
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 7: little bit. And I think, I again, I mean, I

1905
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 7: just got done covering a Heisman Trophy season where I

1906
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 7: think we had some of these similar conversations about how

1907
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 7: coverage has changed, you know, defensive coverages have changed, quarterback stats,

1908
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 7: clock rules have changed, quarterback stats, all these different kinds

1909
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 7: of things. But it does I mean, I guess I'm

1910
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 7: sitting here and saying I'm prepared to see a lot

1911
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 7: of this as an outlier and maybe even you know,

1912
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 7: specific to the cults, almost kind of hey, they made

1913
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 7: actually a decent fist of it. This year until their

1914
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 7: quarterback got hurt, which is just one of those things

1915
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 7: you can't really always control for. But I don't know,

1916
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 7: maybe five years from now we're still having the same

1917
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 7: conversation around Indy. Maybe five years from now we've had

1918
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 7: the same conversation around you know, three of the last

1919
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 7: five Super Bowls.

1920
01:38:57,880 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1921
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 7: It's I mean, listen, the money suggests that the NFL

1922
01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 7: is not losing juice, but I agree that it does.

1923
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 7: And it's someone who, you know, frankly, grew up in

1924
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 7: a market that is probably stuck in a not totally

1925
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 7: dissimilar place to Indianapolis right now, good enough not to

1926
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 7: tank and just start all over, but bad enough not

1927
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:24,759
Speaker 7: to feel like there's a lot of energy or forward

1928
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 7: facing optimism.

1929
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 3: It is kind of an odd place to be, Zach.

1930
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:33,799
Speaker 1: Let's talk about what happened last night in LA between

1931
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 1: Indiana and USC and I want to begin with Nick Dorn.

1932
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 2: Did you know.

1933
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 1: Nick Dorn was shooting the ball really well? He became

1934
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,719
Speaker 1: suddenly this secondary scoring option for Indiana as tucketive Reeze

1935
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 1: continues to struggle and Lamar Wilkerson is a volume score,

1936
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 1: no doubt about that.

1937
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 2: But did we become intrigued by the.

1938
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: Anomaly, and last night Nick Dorn, who was two of twelve,

1939
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 1: came back to Earth. Or is Nick Dorn in fact

1940
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 1: that player that we were hoping he was turning into

1941
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 1: and last night was the anomaly just based on fatigue?

1942
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 3: I think it'd be a bit of both.

1943
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 7: You know, there were moments, I mean, and I watched

1944
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 7: the game from home. Mike Knives looked me the trip

1945
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:16,759
Speaker 7: out to LA you know he I mean, he attempted

1946
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 7: twelve free.

1947
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:17,719
Speaker 3: He's all twelve.

1948
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 7: His his fuel goal attempts came from behind the arc.

1949
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 7: And I'm not gonna act like I went back and

1950
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 7: charted them all today, But in real time, I felt

1951
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 7: like I had I saw a health he split between

1952
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 7: that's a good shot that didn't go in and maybe

1953
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:34,640
Speaker 7: that's an example of a player who suddenly got to

1954
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:37,759
Speaker 7: learn how to grapple with a little bit more defensive attention,

1955
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 7: if you know.

1956
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. You know, USC right now is kind.

1957
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:43,639
Speaker 7: Of a team that's trying to defend its way through

1958
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 7: its problems.

1959
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 3: You know, Rodney Rice is out.

1960
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,640
Speaker 7: Chad Bickermazar obviously missed a healthy amount of last night

1961
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:50,679
Speaker 7: after he rolled his Ankle.

1962
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 3: I thought Dorn had some good moments. I thought he

1963
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 3: had some moments.

1964
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 7: He's kind of an unconventional shooter to begin with, Like

1965
01:40:57,200 --> 01:41:00,600
Speaker 7: he's not afraid to pull from distance. He's not necessarily

1966
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 7: all shooters are better when they're squared up, but he's

1967
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:05,640
Speaker 7: not necessarily somebody that has to be perfectly square to

1968
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 7: get a shot off. So every once in a while

1969
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 7: his SHOT's going to look a little bit, I don't know,

1970
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 7: mechanically nessier, I think than what you would expect, and

1971
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 7: is still going to go in. Of course, you know,

1972
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 7: everyone sort of said last night, it's not an excuse.

1973
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 7: We've got to be better. You know, everybody's got to

1974
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 7: go through these West Coast road trips. That doesn't change

1975
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 7: the fact that, you know, it is still a long

1976
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 7: time on the road and for what it's worked. I'm

1977
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 7: I'm not totally sure Indiana wasn't dealing with that. I mean,

1978
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:34,679
Speaker 7: I don't think Daren Devery's brought up illness or anything

1979
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:36,639
Speaker 7: like that, but I'm not totally sure Indiana wasn't dealing

1980
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 7: with something like that. Which, again, it's kind of one

1981
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 7: of those things that you talk to a college basketball coach,

1982
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:42,719
Speaker 7: they will tell you that they just have to factor

1983
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 7: it into their season once or twice a year that

1984
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,640
Speaker 7: their team is just going to get sick for a

1985
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 7: week in an inopportune time. I have no idea if

1986
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 7: that affected dorn shooting night, but I feel like it

1987
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 7: was probably, at least to what I saw, a little

1988
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 7: bit of, you know, hey, forty eight minutes, three nights

1989
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 7: earlier on the road for a whole weekend on the

1990
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 7: West Coast, tired, worn down, and a little bit of hey,

1991
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 7: if you're going to score twenty points to night, eighteen

1992
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:10,040
Speaker 7: points a night, you've got to be prepared to work

1993
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 7: a little bit harder because you're going to get that

1994
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 7: little bit more effort from the opponent's game plan.

1995
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,719
Speaker 1: Is talker debrees one hundred percent healthy?

1996
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1997
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 7: If I guess the question would be, like probably the

1998
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 7: question more to ask him would be, is he one

1999
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 7: hundred percent where he was before his previous injuries? Because

2000
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:34,680
Speaker 7: he talked about in the offseason, the preseason, you know

2001
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 7: how he's dealt with I think multiple shoulder injuries at

2002
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 7: this point. Obviously, this is a player who's played one

2003
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 7: hundred and thirty one career games in college, so there's

2004
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 7: plenty of miles on the clock.

2005
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if.

2006
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,759
Speaker 7: He's necessarily injured right now today, I think the question maybe,

2007
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 7: and I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth.

2008
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 3: I want to be careful.

2009
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 7: Maybe would be a little bit more of you know,

2010
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 7: where does he feel like he is compared to where

2011
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:58,919
Speaker 7: he was like two years ago, Because sometimes that stuff

2012
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 7: can have a pounding effect where you do look at

2013
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 7: you know, the quickness in a shot release or the

2014
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 7: reaction times you know with the ball, the ability to

2015
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 7: put it on the floor and get out ahead of somebody.

2016
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 7: I mean, one of the biggest numbers, you know, for

2017
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:16,559
Speaker 7: me this season from degrees is I mean, he was

2018
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 7: consistently one of the best players on his team at

2019
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 7: drawing fouls. You know, he was top five in the

2020
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 7: valley his last two years in fouls drawn for forty minutes.

2021
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 7: He's drawn two point one fouls per forty minutes. A

2022
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 7: big ten play right now, and you would expect some

2023
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 7: of those numbers go down, of course, but that tells

2024
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 7: you that's that's somebody who's just not moving with maybe

2025
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 7: the same quickness and the same purpose in the same

2026
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 7: you know, just sort of sharpness that maybe they once had.

2027
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:41,759
Speaker 3: Now I think he deserves credit.

2028
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,919
Speaker 7: He has certainly sort of short up some of Indiana's

2029
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 7: issues elsewhere, rebounding the ball, passing the ball, his turnover.

2030
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 3: Rate is excellent.

2031
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 7: But I think, you know, the question I maybe would

2032
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 7: would frame that or the way I would frame that

2033
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 7: question would be less. You know, is it a health

2034
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 7: now issue or is it more of a again, a

2035
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 7: compounding of just the wear and tear of a career.

2036
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 2: Issue, Zach.

2037
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: When I look at Zach Osterman's my guest Jaba House

2038
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 1: Peel and Boorg guest line he's with the Indianapolis Star,

2039
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:11,599
Speaker 1: the Indiana Athletics beat writer.

2040
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 2: When I look at this.

2041
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: Team, and I'll be honest, they have. I think they've

2042
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 1: gotten better as the year has gone on. And you know,

2043
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 1: we don't know a lot about Darren Devrees, but it's

2044
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 1: a roster that he had to put together rather late.

2045
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: They probably were wearing name tags for the first two

2046
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 1: months they were around one another. Yes, I know they

2047
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:36,639
Speaker 1: took a preseason trip together and that kind of thing.

2048
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 1: But when you look at the fact that they are

2049
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:43,759
Speaker 1: putting themselves in position now to enter into the NCAA tournament,

2050
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 1: conversation last night. Notwithstanding they they've seemed to have hit

2051
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 1: kind of a stride here in the way they're playing.

2052
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:52,520
Speaker 2: Does that speak.

2053
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:58,720
Speaker 1: More to Darren Devrees' ability even late to character assess

2054
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 1: and build a roster of players that are going to

2055
01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 1: be able to buy in or does it speak more

2056
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:09,599
Speaker 1: to simply the x'es and o's of him schematically coming

2057
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:12,560
Speaker 1: up with things that favor the pieces with which he

2058
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 1: had to deal.

2059
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 7: You know, if we're talking about like this season, I

2060
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 7: would lean more towards the former, because there was that stretch,

2061
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 7: and I understand it's an experienced team, and I know

2062
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 7: people will say, listen, these guys are making redshare in nil,

2063
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 7: they should be playing hard. I appreciate all that, and

2064
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:31,559
Speaker 7: there's an extent to which I agree with it. But

2065
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,560
Speaker 7: any team that loses four games in a row in

2066
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 7: the middle of January, and loses them frankly the way

2067
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,720
Speaker 7: Indiana lost some of those games, in the Michigan State game,

2068
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 7: the Iola game, and so forth, you know that there

2069
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:43,760
Speaker 7: is an intangibility about kind of pulling yourself back up

2070
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:47,080
Speaker 7: from a stretch like that to win three in a row.

2071
01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 7: And even that, you know, even last night, I know

2072
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:51,600
Speaker 7: they lose, but it's a quad one loss. It was

2073
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 7: it was a game in the final thirty seconds, like

2074
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 7: you know, it was. Again, it was the end of

2075
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:58,439
Speaker 7: a pretty lengthy road trip. You can you can live

2076
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 7: with that as long as you respond to with right way.

2077
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 7: And I think Indiana's sort of two game home stand

2078
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 7: up coming is really really important for this team's sort

2079
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 7: of tournament outlook. And we could talk about that if

2080
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 7: you want, but I think if we're talking about this

2081
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:15,719
Speaker 7: season specifically, I think you look at the way Indiana

2082
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:19,720
Speaker 7: responded to that dip between Nebraska and Michigan, and you

2083
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 7: give Degrees and his roster a lot of credit for

2084
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 7: the way they held some things together intangibly. I think

2085
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 7: if you look at both just the pure x's and

2086
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:31,920
Speaker 7: o's of the stuff that Indiana runs, the shots they create,

2087
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:35,799
Speaker 7: where they go for their offense, who's doing the scoring,

2088
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 7: you know, how the shots are distributed. And then I

2089
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 7: think if you also look at and I watched you know,

2090
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 7: Degrees often on especially back in Drake those last two

2091
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 7: or three years. Just for different reasons, I found myself

2092
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:50,840
Speaker 7: watching a decent amount of Drake basketball. I think you

2093
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:55,720
Speaker 7: see a lot of natural follow on philosophically from what

2094
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 7: he learned from Dana Altmand, what he learned from Greg McDermott,

2095
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:01,599
Speaker 7: who coaches obviously season or not necessarily having a ton

2096
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 7: of success, but have been. You know, I would I

2097
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,799
Speaker 7: don't think it's unfair to say, you know, relative models

2098
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,000
Speaker 7: of consistency over the last ten to fifteen years, and

2099
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:13,439
Speaker 7: in college basketball, especially in their ability to recruit and

2100
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 7: develop and build really, really.

2101
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 3: Good offensive teams. So I think it's a bit of both.

2102
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 7: Now, listen, you know, we can have that conversation and

2103
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 7: we can also say, but there's gonna be a lot

2104
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 7: to replace off this roster when the time comes. You know,

2105
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 7: there's there's a player there in Lamar Wilkerson that is

2106
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 7: doing a ton of heavy lifting. Wilkerson is second in

2107
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:35,839
Speaker 7: the conference right now in Big Ten play in percentage

2108
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 7: of shots taken like he is. He is handling as

2109
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 7: much workload as anybody in the Big Ten right now.

2110
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 7: So you can also look at it and say some

2111
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 7: of this is let's give credit to the individual talent

2112
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:47,360
Speaker 7: of some of these players.

2113
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 3: But I would probably.

2114
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 7: Split my answer down the middle in terms of what

2115
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 7: I see out of this team intangibly this season, and

2116
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 7: then also what I think and time will tell, will

2117
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 7: be able to sort of transition, as you know, moving

2118
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 7: forward as Debris maybe gets a little bit more of

2119
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 7: that roster balance that he'd like to have.

2120
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 1: I did not see, and you know what, I can't

2121
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:12,600
Speaker 1: recall Zach if he came back into the game or

2122
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 1: stayed out for the game. But late in the game

2123
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 1: last night, Sam Alexis was very slow to get up.

2124
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if it was a knee, you know,

2125
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 1: I was doing other things, truth be told, Do we

2126
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 1: know whether or not there was a legit injury there

2127
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:27,200
Speaker 1: or whether.

2128
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 2: Or not that is something where he could miss time?

2129
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:31,760
Speaker 7: Well, I think he I think he filed out, So

2130
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:33,679
Speaker 7: I think that was I think that was what.

2131
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 3: Eventually kind of kept him out of the game.

2132
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 7: Was he filed out with like two minutes left, So

2133
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 7: I mean he was he wasn't, you know necessarily I

2134
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 7: think to your point, I don't think he was, you know,

2135
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 7: springing all over the floor.

2136
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:46,080
Speaker 3: He did play more minutes, so.

2137
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 2: Was he do you know what I'm talking about? Though?

2138
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:49,640
Speaker 1: When he went down and looked hurt or was it

2139
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,439
Speaker 1: that he was in dismay because that was his sixth

2140
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 1: or his fifth foul.

2141
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 7: I think I thought it was more the reaction to

2142
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:58,160
Speaker 7: the call, but I'm not posing.

2143
01:48:58,439 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 2: Admittedly, I did have the audio on that.

2144
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:03,280
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have probably maybe it would have behoved me, right.

2145
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: I just he was down for a while and it

2146
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 1: looked at me like he was grabbing onto something I

2147
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 1: didn't know, so apparently not right.

2148
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2149
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:13,680
Speaker 7: I mean again, I'm not sure because I wasn't in

2150
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 7: the gym either, But my impression was more just than

2151
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 7: it was the act of fouling out and just the frustration,

2152
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 7: you know, that was that was the stretch it which

2153
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 7: it sort of got.

2154
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 3: Away from Indiana in a way.

2155
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 7: They couldn't quite pull back, you know, they got it

2156
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:30,440
Speaker 7: down to what like three there at the end, but

2157
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:32,599
Speaker 7: but it was that it was that sort of that

2158
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 7: rubber band from about five minutes to two minutes where

2159
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 7: the game sort of stretched out and they gave themselves too.

2160
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 3: Much to do.

2161
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:41,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Lastly, it seems as though, and you tell me

2162
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 1: if you agree with this, Zach, Yeah, I think there

2163
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 1: were a lot of Indiana fans. I thought it was

2164
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 1: funny last night. Somebody had a sign that said something

2165
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 1: like sorry to arrive late, been consumed with college football lately,

2166
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:56,920
Speaker 1: and it was an Indiana fan, right, And I do

2167
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 1: think that there is you know, this is new territory

2168
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:03,759
Speaker 1: for Indiana, Like wow, like still basking in a football

2169
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:05,680
Speaker 1: season and then oh, yes, that's right, we have a

2170
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 1: basketball season to pay attention to, right, And I mean

2171
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 1: that flippantly, but you get what I'm saying. But it

2172
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:16,600
Speaker 1: seems like from the basketball standpoint that Indiana might have

2173
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 1: kind of weathered the storm here because they get they

2174
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 1: come back, You got Wisconsin, then you got Oregon, who's

2175
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,400
Speaker 1: way down. Then you got a two step on the

2176
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:27,600
Speaker 1: road that's really tough, but a chance after that to

2177
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 1: close out pretty strong. And they put themselves now into

2178
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 1: the conversation have they even moved at this point off

2179
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 1: of the bubble, Zach? Is it too early to look

2180
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 1: that way? And have they indeed kind of taken on

2181
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:45,320
Speaker 1: the first gauntlet here real challenge for them schedule wised.

2182
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:51,400
Speaker 7: I think to your first question, first, they're on the bubble,

2183
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 7: but I think they're on the right side of it.

2184
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:58,760
Speaker 7: And I am a self avowed rejector of all bracketology

2185
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 7: projections until Valenteray, but the one tool I do lean

2186
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 7: on starting around this time of year is Bracket Matrix,

2187
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 7: which if people don't know, a lot of people probably do.

2188
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 7: But it's a website that basically just scrubs the Internet

2189
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 7: for like literally dozens of different bracket projections and then

2190
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:18,680
Speaker 7: creates you know what it would you imagine, which is

2191
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 7: an overall aggregation of those projections. Going into this weekend,

2192
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 7: Indiana was I think in something like twenty of one

2193
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 7: hundred and ten brackets or something along those lines. Now,

2194
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 7: this hasn't been updated since yesterday. This won't have reflected

2195
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:40,639
Speaker 7: Indiana's loss against USC, But yesterday's update on bracket Matrix

2196
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:42,880
Speaker 7: at Indiana and ninety eight out of one hundred and

2197
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 7: four brackets, one spot in the aggregate ahead of USC,

2198
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:48,800
Speaker 7: which was in one hundred and one out of one

2199
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 7: hundred and four brackets. So again you understand, these numbers

2200
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 7: are imperfect, but that gives you an idea. Especially, and

2201
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:56,840
Speaker 7: I've welcomed people to do this for the last week

2202
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:59,360
Speaker 7: or two. Go look at the bubble. The mid major

2203
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:01,679
Speaker 7: side of the bubble is carved out to almost nothing

2204
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 7: this year, like the bubble is going to be almost

2205
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:08,160
Speaker 7: nothing but high major teams. And that's obviously a philosophical

2206
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 7: discussion for another day, but the bubble is going to

2207
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 7: be heavily, heavily weighed toward high majors this year.

2208
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 3: And Indiana certainly.

2209
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:18,680
Speaker 7: Has done itself favors with the PADU win, with the

2210
01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 7: UCLA win. Even you know, someone had a friend texts me,

2211
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:26,280
Speaker 7: that's late last night and I was fading out, but

2212
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 7: they said, you know that even that USC game, especially

2213
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 7: the way it started to go in the second half,

2214
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 7: was one that you feel like Indiana might have found

2215
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 7: a way to lose by twenty a year or two ago.

2216
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:38,880
Speaker 7: To lose it only by six still rescues you something

2217
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:42,440
Speaker 7: because it still helps your metrics, It still helps your analytics,

2218
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:44,639
Speaker 7: It still keeps the floor a little bit more firmly

2219
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 7: under your feet for the next opportunity, which is, of

2220
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 7: course Wisconsin on Saturday. Indiana by no means comfortably in

2221
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 7: the field, and I think that that's where you do

2222
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 7: look at first of all these next two and you

2223
01:52:58,240 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 7: say you have to hold serve probably just the rest

2224
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 7: of the way at home to feel comfortable. You've got

2225
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 7: five of eight to finish now at home. There's a couple.

2226
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:10,200
Speaker 7: I think there's maybe one fad to one opportunity maybe too,

2227
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 7: depending on what Wisconsin does. Some games in there you

2228
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 7: really can't afford to lose, like Oregon and Minnesota and Northwestern,

2229
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:18,960
Speaker 7: and then you got the three road games that all

2230
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:21,760
Speaker 7: in various ways represent opportunity. But I think Indiana has

2231
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:23,599
Speaker 7: at least put itself in a position for a team

2232
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 7: that was pretty clearly trending away from the field after

2233
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 7: that Michigan loss on January twentieth. Indiana has both with

2234
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 7: the way it has the results it is added to

2235
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 7: its resume, and also just the way it has stabilized

2236
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:39,680
Speaker 7: itself a little bit. From a bracket perspective, Indiana has

2237
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:42,639
Speaker 7: put itself in a much better position to at least

2238
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 7: as we get into the thick of February here be

2239
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,599
Speaker 7: in control of its own destiny from a tournament perspective.

2240
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:50,719
Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Zach football side of things, Kurt Signetti found

2241
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:54,040
Speaker 1: out that one of his staff members in Channel Whitmer.

2242
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 1: And this happens when you win, right, guys start to

2243
01:53:56,360 --> 01:54:00,760
Speaker 1: get plucked away. They lose Whitmer, but they go back

2244
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:03,200
Speaker 1: to a familiar spot in replacing him.

2245
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:06,120
Speaker 2: So continuity remains with Indiana football. Correct.

2246
01:54:07,320 --> 01:54:10,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, so Whimmer obviously, I mean a lot of Whitmer's

2247
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 7: and he's these young coachs, so you don't want to

2248
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,680
Speaker 7: overstate it, but a lot of his experience, for a

2249
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 7: got to Indiana had been at the NFL level. He'd

2250
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:20,840
Speaker 7: been with Atlanta, he'd been with San Diego. I don't

2251
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 7: think anyone, necessarily in Bloomingson was shocked to see his

2252
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 7: name linked with a return to the NFL. You know,

2253
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,760
Speaker 7: one year, of course, a very very successful season, so

2254
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 7: it winds up turning around pretty quickly. But to your point,

2255
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 7: bringing Tino Sincere back. Tino Sincere, who was with Signetti

2256
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 7: for several years between James Madison and Indiana, left last

2257
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:44,960
Speaker 7: year to go call plays at UCLA. Of course that

2258
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 7: didn't work out now coming back worth pointing out Tino

2259
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:52,160
Speaker 7: is is not only close with Signetti, because way way

2260
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:55,760
Speaker 7: back with Mike Shanahan, Indiana's offensive coordinator. Those two are

2261
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:59,640
Speaker 7: particularly you know, sort of complimentary of one another in

2262
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 7: like the way they collaborate and the way they build

2263
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 7: game plans and the way they developed the quarterback position

2264
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 7: and then build the offense around it. And so you know,

2265
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 7: if you're Indiana, to your point, you don't want to

2266
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 7: lose good people but if you win, you're going to

2267
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:14,480
Speaker 7: And I don't think it was a surprise to anyone

2268
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:19,320
Speaker 7: here that when that job came open again, Indiana went

2269
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:21,760
Speaker 7: for someone who has improven track record of success with

2270
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 7: this head coach, this offensive coordinator and the process behind

2271
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:30,879
Speaker 7: what is obviously yielded Indiana Kurtzignety and Indiana success.

2272
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 1: Zach appreciate the time as always, and after a late

2273
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 1: night last night, we'll let you get a nap. All right,

2274
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,440
Speaker 1: this is what happens when you're over thirty.

2275
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 3: Sounds good. Thank you for having me, Joe.

2276
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:46,400
Speaker 1: That's our friend from the Indianapolis Star, Zach joining the program.

2277
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 1: All right, we come back, get you back up to speed.

2278
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 1: Take a look at the NBA trade deadline and some

2279
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:55,120
Speaker 1: of the moves that have been taking place, some of

2280
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 1: the moves that may still be out there, and that

2281
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 1: includes that include your Indiana Pacers. They might be rumored

2282
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 1: with something that was not where we thought originally.

2283
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:14,120
Speaker 2: We'll explain next. It's a great song, is it not.

2284
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 1: I I notice when I talk louder, my voice is fine.

2285
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:26,880
Speaker 1: It's when I start to talk more softly the way

2286
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:33,040
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's weird, isn't it boom. Can't even

2287
01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:39,040
Speaker 1: predict when it's gonna happen. But again, and I appreciate, Like,

2288
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 1: you know, people ask like, hey, I feel fine.

2289
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 2: I like, I don't.

2290
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:44,640
Speaker 1: You know, when you when you've got a colder something,

2291
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:50,840
Speaker 1: usually you can tell I, I don't, I feel no symptoms. Okay, Eddie,

2292
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:56,080
Speaker 1: let's get to it. Trade deadline, Thank you, Trade deadline tomorrow.

2293
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:58,840
Speaker 1: So we are now here. We are what twenty five

2294
01:56:58,920 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 1: hours away?

2295
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 4: You know, Jay, this makes Shannon a cougar. With you

2296
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 4: going through your phase again, I think so.

2297
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, weird to sing? Would I.

2298
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you know, started having people started

2299
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 1: to subtenly tell me maybe it was time to start.

2300
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:22,680
Speaker 2: Wearing more deodorant. Right, body's going through the changes here.

2301
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 4: Earlier, Anthony Davis traded from the Dallas Mavericks through the

2302
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:31,680
Speaker 4: Atlanta Hawks. While you were talking with Zach Osterman, the

2303
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:35,840
Speaker 4: Oklahoma City Thunder have made a move. They have acquired

2304
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:41,919
Speaker 4: Jared McCain from the Philadelphia seventy six ers. They're sending

2305
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 4: Houston's twenty twenty six first round pick and three second

2306
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:51,880
Speaker 4: round picks to Philly. Usmann Jang is a player that

2307
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:56,560
Speaker 4: is going to be moved now for the Oklahoma City Thunder,

2308
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:59,440
Speaker 4: a player who was a lottery selection for them. He

2309
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:02,040
Speaker 4: has had issues staying on the court. I think he

2310
01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:05,880
Speaker 4: had a knee injury. And then I want to say

2311
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 4: he was the player for Oklahoma City that I was

2312
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 4: Nicolo Topitch who had the cancer. But yeah, Usman Jang

2313
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:15,320
Speaker 4: another one of those players for the Thunder, one of

2314
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:17,960
Speaker 4: those lottery picks that has not been able to find

2315
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,360
Speaker 4: time on the floor. He is going to be made

2316
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:21,880
Speaker 4: available for the Thunder now.

2317
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:27,080
Speaker 1: One of the things that is interesting the Chicago Bulls,

2318
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:32,200
Speaker 1: who seemingly are wanting to completely redo their backcourt.

2319
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 4: Also Thunder related, Shade Gilders Alexander is dealing with a

2320
01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 4: abdominal strain and he will be sidelined through the All

2321
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:47,320
Speaker 4: Star Break. It will not return until after it, meaning

2322
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:50,320
Speaker 4: he will no longer be available for the All Star Game.

2323
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, if you're Oklahoma City, you put him

2324
01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:58,840
Speaker 1: on bubble wrap anytime you have to write yep. But

2325
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 1: if shok Kago is redoing their backcourt, so to speak,

2326
01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:05,040
Speaker 1: then that comes into play.

2327
01:59:05,160 --> 01:59:05,400
Speaker 2: Eddie.

2328
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:08,000
Speaker 1: This becomes interesting because one of the teams that they

2329
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 1: may be rumored to get involved with is Indiana with

2330
01:59:11,880 --> 01:59:12,720
Speaker 1: Bennedict Mathern.

2331
01:59:12,760 --> 01:59:15,400
Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, that was something that I don't know when

2332
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:18,680
Speaker 4: the reporting from Jake Fisher was he works with Mark

2333
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:22,000
Speaker 4: Stein on the Steyin line. They working in to hand together.

2334
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:26,400
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly when that report was, you know, released,

2335
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:29,680
Speaker 4: if that was prior to you know, the acquisition they

2336
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 4: made yesterday trading Waite, Nikola Vucevich and acquiring Anthony Simons

2337
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:39,320
Speaker 4: from the Boston Celtics. They also acquired Jayden Ivy yesterday

2338
01:59:39,480 --> 01:59:43,320
Speaker 4: and Mike Conley Junior. It's anticipated that Mike Conley Junior

2339
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:45,560
Speaker 4: will be bought out, uh. And he's a player that

2340
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:49,600
Speaker 4: will be available for any team that is a contender

2341
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:51,200
Speaker 4: in need a point guard depth.

2342
01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:56,800
Speaker 1: And one of the guys they have in their backcourt.

2343
01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:00,160
Speaker 1: There was a rumor that they could be talking looking

2344
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 1: straight up with Indiana about from Ben mcmatherin.

2345
02:00:03,120 --> 02:00:03,240
Speaker 2: Right.

2346
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 4: Yes, see, Matherin to Chicago was linked and in return,

2347
02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:09,680
Speaker 4: the Pacers were getting Iyo Desunmu.

2348
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:11,400
Speaker 2: And he's kind of a combo guard, right.

2349
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:14,160
Speaker 4: I think of him more of a natural point guard

2350
02:00:14,280 --> 02:00:17,680
Speaker 4: than anything else. But Dustin de Pierrex said earlier that

2351
02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:19,840
Speaker 4: he feels like that do soon you can play a

2352
02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:22,040
Speaker 4: little bit more off ball than people think.

2353
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 2: You know, I would have to think.

2354
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:33,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I would have to think that

2355
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:39,800
Speaker 1: the only that may be one of those moves that

2356
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:44,320
Speaker 1: at the time you make it, you go what Bruce

2357
02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:46,760
Speaker 1: Brown was that way And I can't remember, Eddie, did

2358
02:00:46,760 --> 02:00:49,960
Speaker 1: the Pacers sign Bruce Brown or did they trade for him?

2359
02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:52,920
Speaker 4: They signed him and they overpaid, and that's what got

2360
02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:55,720
Speaker 4: them Pascal Siakam because at the time they didn't have anybody.

2361
02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:01,480
Speaker 1: When they acquired him, it was like okay, But then

2362
02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:06,000
Speaker 1: you realize that there probably was a secondary move to

2363
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:09,520
Speaker 1: follow that was setting them up. And you get that

2364
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:15,840
Speaker 1: sometimes where you get a player in a trade and

2365
02:01:16,240 --> 02:01:18,960
Speaker 1: you immediately begin to think about what that player means

2366
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:22,120
Speaker 1: for your roster, and what you're not taking into consideration

2367
02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:26,360
Speaker 1: is that what that player means is it's facilitating for elsewhere.

2368
02:01:26,680 --> 02:01:29,000
Speaker 1: So if they were to make that move, because I

2369
02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:38,440
Speaker 1: I will, I firmly believe this. I firmly believe this.

2370
02:01:38,640 --> 02:01:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say I know it, but I

2371
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:48,800
Speaker 1: firmly believe this. The Indiana Pacers and their front office,

2372
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:52,960
Speaker 1: it is my belief. I don't know that they are

2373
02:01:53,880 --> 02:01:59,200
Speaker 1: actively calling people saying, make an offer, Ben Matheren, make

2374
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:05,880
Speaker 1: an offer like this isn't like the rug store you've

2375
02:02:05,960 --> 02:02:08,960
Speaker 1: passed in the strip mall for nineteen years that still

2376
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:11,280
Speaker 1: has been going out of business now for two decades,

2377
02:02:12,160 --> 02:02:14,920
Speaker 1: and everything must go, everything must go. Make an offer.

2378
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:17,080
Speaker 1: That's I don't think that's what they're doing with Matherin,

2379
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:23,960
Speaker 1: but they know that of the pieces they have that

2380
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:29,160
Speaker 1: they can use to facilitate getting them a starting center,

2381
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:35,320
Speaker 1: Matherin is the one that is the most expendable to

2382
02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:39,080
Speaker 1: them because of his style of play and the areas

2383
02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:42,160
Speaker 1: where what he brings to the table they are covered elsewhere.

2384
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:47,960
Speaker 1: And so that is not to say that Chad Buchan

2385
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:51,720
Speaker 1: and Kevin Pritchard, Rick Carlisle, Tedwoo, Ryan Carr, that's not

2386
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:54,320
Speaker 1: to say that they're on the phone saying, somebody please

2387
02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:58,680
Speaker 1: take this guy off her hands. It's not it, but

2388
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:03,240
Speaker 1: they are saying I believe it is my belief that

2389
02:03:03,280 --> 02:03:04,000
Speaker 1: they are saying.

2390
02:03:04,280 --> 02:03:04,800
Speaker 2: We know.

2391
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:09,720
Speaker 1: That we still need to get a center that is

2392
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:13,200
Speaker 1: going to be starting for us once our core comes back,

2393
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:18,360
Speaker 1: and we need to upgrade that position. And so therefore

2394
02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:21,160
Speaker 1: we have to take a look at our inventory and

2395
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:24,560
Speaker 1: figure out what we have in terms of what we

2396
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:30,440
Speaker 1: can barter and the wamp them they have that is

2397
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:35,840
Speaker 1: in that they have to barter with as they go

2398
02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:40,600
Speaker 1: into the trade market is Matherin. And so I don't

2399
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:42,120
Speaker 1: think that that means that they're going to make a

2400
02:03:42,160 --> 02:03:46,080
Speaker 1: move just to make a move. They may well wait

2401
02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:48,680
Speaker 1: until the end of the year and then get it

2402
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:51,760
Speaker 1: in and a sign and trade, and that might actually

2403
02:03:52,160 --> 02:03:55,840
Speaker 1: net them more because when teams are willing to part

2404
02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:58,640
Speaker 1: with if you're asking a team to part with a solid,

2405
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:03,320
Speaker 1: ready to play, plug in center, that's a lot to

2406
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:07,120
Speaker 1: ask a team to part with. So if you're asking

2407
02:04:07,160 --> 02:04:10,440
Speaker 1: a team to part with that, then they're going to

2408
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:14,800
Speaker 1: want stability and assured nature of what they're getting back.

2409
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:15,680
Speaker 3: And so.

2410
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:19,840
Speaker 1: If you're sending the Matheren whose deal is about to

2411
02:04:19,880 --> 02:04:23,080
Speaker 1: expire that team and he's not a big enough contract

2412
02:04:23,120 --> 02:04:24,520
Speaker 1: that people are like, man, we want to take on

2413
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:29,360
Speaker 1: this contract to get ourselves cap space. They're saying, we're

2414
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:31,360
Speaker 1: going to take this guy because we think we can

2415
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:36,640
Speaker 1: then extend him. That's an unknown quantity. Maybe if you

2416
02:04:36,840 --> 02:04:40,960
Speaker 1: wait until the offseason, then you sign him to a deal.

2417
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:45,760
Speaker 1: Now teams know exactly what they are getting into and

2418
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:49,160
Speaker 1: that may increase the likelihood that somebody's willing to.

2419
02:04:49,080 --> 02:04:52,320
Speaker 4: Tangle a guy that we've talked about in Walker Kessler.

2420
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:55,440
Speaker 4: Jake there with a update on the situation between him

2421
02:04:55,480 --> 02:04:57,880
Speaker 4: and the Utah Jazz. Tip McMahon of ESPN was on

2422
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:01,760
Speaker 4: the Hoop Collective podcast, which is Brian Winnhoer podcast, and

2423
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:04,400
Speaker 4: this is a direct quote. I'm just telling you the

2424
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:06,960
Speaker 4: Walker Kessler restricted free agency is not going to be

2425
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:10,800
Speaker 4: a fun cozy experience because Utah wants to keep Walker Kessler.

2426
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:13,360
Speaker 4: They have turned down picks or offers rather for nice

2427
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:16,960
Speaker 4: draft compensation over the last year or so. Forum they

2428
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:19,200
Speaker 4: see him as a part of their core moving forward.

2429
02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:22,160
Speaker 4: They have a number in mind for him, and Walker

2430
02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:25,200
Speaker 4: and his representation have a much larger number in mind.

2431
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:29,000
Speaker 4: He will be a restricted free agent, but it will

2432
02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:30,960
Speaker 4: be very interesting to see if Walker can get the

2433
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:33,760
Speaker 4: kind of offer that's going to put the Jazz to

2434
02:05:33,880 --> 02:05:37,120
Speaker 4: the test when they have now a front court where

2435
02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:40,200
Speaker 4: Lori marketIn and Jaron Jackson Junior are going to be

2436
02:05:40,240 --> 02:05:43,680
Speaker 4: making roughly ninety five million dollars a year combined moving forward.

2437
02:05:43,720 --> 02:05:47,800
Speaker 4: So that's a name I know that people have pinpointed

2438
02:05:47,960 --> 02:05:50,880
Speaker 4: for the Pacers like, hey, go get Walker Kessler. It

2439
02:05:50,920 --> 02:05:53,200
Speaker 4: sounds like things in Utah with him at least are

2440
02:05:53,240 --> 02:05:55,680
Speaker 4: going to go the rest of the season with him

2441
02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:57,480
Speaker 4: injured on that with that left shoulder injury.

2442
02:05:57,520 --> 02:06:00,240
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what last night, and I know it's

2443
02:06:00,240 --> 02:06:03,000
Speaker 1: a very small sample size and it's not been consistent,

2444
02:06:03,600 --> 02:06:05,680
Speaker 1: but there were a couple of plays last night Eddie

2445
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:06,720
Speaker 1: with Ace Bailey.

2446
02:06:06,440 --> 02:06:08,680
Speaker 2: Where I went, E, okay, I can see why.

2447
02:06:09,200 --> 02:06:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were willing, and you know, initially remember he

2448
02:06:12,120 --> 02:06:14,040
Speaker 1: said like, hey, I'm not I'm not playing here, right,

2449
02:06:14,680 --> 02:06:18,200
Speaker 1: and his representation told him that. And then last night

2450
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:19,840
Speaker 1: there were a couple of plays when I'm like, eah, okay,

2451
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:22,360
Speaker 1: I can see it now, right, I can totally see it.

2452
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:26,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's uh, he's got everything you want. The one

2453
02:06:26,600 --> 02:06:28,560
Speaker 4: thing I think Eddie Gilbert hit he had on it

2454
02:06:28,640 --> 02:06:32,400
Speaker 4: last night during the radio broadcast was the fact that

2455
02:06:32,440 --> 02:06:34,400
Speaker 4: he goes to Ace Bailey will really take off once

2456
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:38,040
Speaker 4: he can develop a consistent dribble, Like right now, he

2457
02:06:38,040 --> 02:06:39,520
Speaker 4: can't do much with the ball in his hands, and

2458
02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:42,200
Speaker 4: once once he's able to do that, he's going to

2459
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:44,960
Speaker 4: be a really, really good player for the Utah Jazz Man.

2460
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:47,560
Speaker 2: He's got field. He's got very good instincts.

2461
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:49,120
Speaker 1: I will say that because he had a couple of

2462
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:51,840
Speaker 1: like just hand eye coordination plays with blocks and then

2463
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:53,680
Speaker 1: facilitating the other way where you're like, yeah, this you

2464
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:57,240
Speaker 1: can that cannot be taught. Uh hey, Jake, never trade

2465
02:06:57,280 --> 02:06:59,440
Speaker 1: to a division rival. It could come back to haunt you.

2466
02:06:59,480 --> 02:07:02,720
Speaker 1: So let's tell they do not send matherin to Chicago.

2467
02:07:03,120 --> 02:07:06,160
Speaker 4: Ask you this, Jake. Do divisions matter anymore in the NBA?

2468
02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:08,920
Speaker 4: Also fair like who cares?

2469
02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2470
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:11,560
Speaker 4: It's like yeah, I mean it felt like the NFL,

2471
02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:14,200
Speaker 4: where there's added weight to every time you.

2472
02:07:14,160 --> 02:07:16,720
Speaker 2: To match east and West right, Yeah, seating in the

2473
02:07:16,720 --> 02:07:17,320
Speaker 2: east and west.

2474
02:07:17,400 --> 02:07:17,600
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2475
02:07:18,160 --> 02:07:19,160
Speaker 2: Is JMB here today?

2476
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:21,280
Speaker 4: I thought he was here today.

2477
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:24,720
Speaker 1: If you want to know what kind of teammate he is,

2478
02:07:24,760 --> 02:07:27,080
Speaker 1: he did earlier ask He sent me a message said, hey,

2479
02:07:27,080 --> 02:07:28,320
Speaker 1: do you need me to come in earlier in case

2480
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:31,120
Speaker 1: your voice goes away? So I would assume that means

2481
02:07:31,160 --> 02:07:32,880
Speaker 1: he's here. But we will do the crossover find out

2482
02:07:32,920 --> 02:07:34,800
Speaker 1: what's going on. Brought to you, as always by the

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2486
02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:51,760
Speaker 1: several people have asked, several have asked that I try

2487
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:52,960
Speaker 1: to sing along with this song.

2488
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:57,000
Speaker 2: You're ready. I believe you have it, but I will

2489
02:07:57,280 --> 02:07:57,960
Speaker 2: queue it up here.

2490
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 1: We did it yesterday, I think with JMB briefly, go

2491
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:06,000
Speaker 1: ahead and hit me up here.

2492
02:08:06,040 --> 02:08:06,839
Speaker 2: Let's see here.

2493
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:15,360
Speaker 1: Now, I could probably do this without cracking like Peter Brady. Right,

2494
02:08:17,720 --> 02:08:21,520
Speaker 1: are you familiar with the uh the Brady's singing?

2495
02:08:21,560 --> 02:08:27,240
Speaker 2: Time to change, now, Eddie. Okay, when it's time to change,

2496
02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:29,520
Speaker 2: then it's time to change.

2497
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:34,400
Speaker 4: Not bad, right, And they were laughing about your voice crack.

2498
02:08:35,640 --> 02:08:38,920
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, you've got to rearrange.

2499
02:08:39,320 --> 02:08:41,200
Speaker 2: See, And that was not.

2500
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:48,520
Speaker 1: Here we go shannan On, Uh, I'm not bad, right,

2501
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:52,880
Speaker 1: shannan On, Uh, Okay, I'm a little better than Peter.

2502
02:08:54,120 --> 02:08:56,640
Speaker 1: But that, of course was when Greg Brady kept saying

2503
02:08:56,680 --> 02:08:58,120
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it, I got it.

2504
02:08:59,360 --> 02:08:59,960
Speaker 2: Not to be confus.

2505
02:09:00,200 --> 02:09:02,520
Speaker 1: When they were the Silver Platters and were beaten by

2506
02:09:02,840 --> 02:09:06,040
Speaker 1: Fifi the Dancing Poodle and he has no.

2507
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:06,880
Speaker 2: Idea what I'm talking about.

2508
02:09:06,920 --> 02:09:10,280
Speaker 1: I realized, no, So you did not watch any of

2509
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:10,880
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl?

2510
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:11,280
Speaker 2: Correct?

2511
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:14,240
Speaker 4: I was producing Pascers last night, so new did not

2512
02:09:14,520 --> 02:09:16,000
Speaker 4: watch that game instead.

2513
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:17,920
Speaker 2: So they did tell me what they did again? Was

2514
02:09:17,960 --> 02:09:18,160
Speaker 2: it a?

2515
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:22,160
Speaker 4: And then after I watched IU and USC and a

2516
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:24,360
Speaker 4: little bit of my Seattle Kraken last night as well.

2517
02:09:24,440 --> 02:09:26,600
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, that's why you picked him because you could

2518
02:09:26,640 --> 02:09:27,400
Speaker 2: watch the Lake games.

2519
02:09:27,480 --> 02:09:32,160
Speaker 4: Right, That's exactly right. Flag football, Jake, flag football. That's

2520
02:09:32,200 --> 02:09:35,480
Speaker 4: what we're doing. Yeah, Joe Burrow out here running truck

2521
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:40,880
Speaker 4: plays and Joe Flacco and Shuder Sanders earning Pro Bowl honors,

2522
02:09:40,920 --> 02:09:44,000
Speaker 4: and I don't hear anybody using Pro Bowl anymore for

2523
02:09:44,520 --> 02:09:46,280
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame candidacy.

2524
02:09:47,120 --> 02:09:54,760
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, It's just it is peculiar

2525
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:59,080
Speaker 1: to me. Why it is that the NFL, you know,

2526
02:09:59,160 --> 02:10:01,200
Speaker 1: it might be this, I don't know.

2527
02:10:01,400 --> 02:10:02,080
Speaker 2: I mean, the.

2528
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:07,200
Speaker 1: For a year when the Pro Bowl was a legitimate

2529
02:10:07,240 --> 02:10:11,080
Speaker 1: football game, Marshall Faalk had like the most yards rushing

2530
02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:13,960
Speaker 1: in a Pro Bowl record, things like that, when the

2531
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:18,400
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl was a legitimate all star game. I'm curious

2532
02:10:18,440 --> 02:10:20,160
Speaker 1: why it is that it was the one that was

2533
02:10:20,200 --> 02:10:23,480
Speaker 1: always the least paid attention to because it represents, without

2534
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:28,960
Speaker 1: a doubt, the most popular sport and with you would say,

2535
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:32,560
Speaker 1: the biggest stars I mean, the NBA has big stars.

2536
02:10:32,640 --> 02:10:34,720
Speaker 1: I get it, and back in the day, Major League

2537
02:10:34,760 --> 02:10:39,720
Speaker 1: Baseball have big stars. But you know, are there bigger

2538
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:42,800
Speaker 1: stars in American sports right now than Patrick Mahomes or

2539
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:46,600
Speaker 1: Josh Allen or Joe Burrow or Jamar Chase? You know,

2540
02:10:48,360 --> 02:10:51,000
Speaker 1: and to see those guys. Maybe it's just the fact

2541
02:10:51,120 --> 02:10:55,960
Speaker 1: that it's harder. You know, if you go to the

2542
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:58,360
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl because you're a diehard fan of Jamar Chase,

2543
02:10:58,440 --> 02:11:01,839
Speaker 1: He's maybe going to get like three balls thrown his way.

2544
02:11:01,880 --> 02:11:02,600
Speaker 2: In the old system.

2545
02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:04,520
Speaker 4: I'm saying he had a pretty cool pick six last night.

2546
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:06,640
Speaker 4: I will say that I did see that highlight. It

2547
02:11:06,680 --> 02:11:09,080
Speaker 4: was a one headed pick six and then he did

2548
02:11:09,120 --> 02:11:13,720
Speaker 4: a backflip. Who had that celebration? Jamaar Chase. So he

2549
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:16,000
Speaker 4: was playing defense as well as the kids call him.

2550
02:11:16,080 --> 02:11:16,320
Speaker 7: Who know?

2551
02:11:16,720 --> 02:11:19,880
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, do.

2552
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:23,720
Speaker 1: You remember Robert Edwards? That's kind of why I'm surprised

2553
02:11:23,760 --> 02:11:25,960
Speaker 1: they do this. Robert Edwards was a running back for

2554
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:28,320
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots and I think maybe played one

2555
02:11:28,440 --> 02:11:32,240
Speaker 1: or two years in the league, I believe out of Georgia,

2556
02:11:32,280 --> 02:11:36,560
Speaker 1: and he was a rookie and they had when they

2557
02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:38,520
Speaker 1: first started to do this with the Pro Bowl and

2558
02:11:38,600 --> 02:11:41,000
Speaker 1: get away from playing of the games, and they just

2559
02:11:41,080 --> 02:11:46,920
Speaker 1: decided to do like fun side things and he was

2560
02:11:47,080 --> 02:11:50,760
Speaker 1: doing like a sand football game and ruptured his knee.

2561
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:53,960
Speaker 1: Oh and I think it ended his career or it

2562
02:11:54,080 --> 02:11:55,800
Speaker 1: certainly you know what I mean.

2563
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:59,080
Speaker 4: Have you been paying I know the Olympics start this weekend.

2564
02:11:59,160 --> 02:12:01,480
Speaker 4: Have you been paying attention into this Lindsay Vaughn situation.

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02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, she hurt her knee, but she is still going

2566
02:12:03,480 --> 02:12:06,360
Speaker 1: to participate. Ruptured her a CL. I didn't know you

2567
02:12:06,400 --> 02:12:10,000
Speaker 1: could rupture your ACO. That sounds very I don't know,

2568
02:12:10,040 --> 02:12:12,440
Speaker 1: tearing a c o versus rupturing ratio, that sounds a

2569
02:12:12,440 --> 02:12:17,800
Speaker 1: lot more dramatic. Well, I thought means the whole knee

2570
02:12:17,960 --> 02:12:19,320
Speaker 1: means more than just one ligament.

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02:12:19,400 --> 02:12:24,240
Speaker 4: I have no idea how real question right, Yeah, I

2572
02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:27,640
Speaker 4: have no idea how someone is supposed to ski like that. Well,

2573
02:12:27,720 --> 02:12:29,280
Speaker 4: with an injury, you want to keep it on ice

2574
02:12:29,560 --> 02:12:33,280
Speaker 4: with So maybe that's with a ruptured ACL like that.

2575
02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:37,120
Speaker 4: And apparently she has injured her menis.

2576
02:12:36,920 --> 02:12:40,640
Speaker 2: Guy, that would be the multiple of meniscus.

2577
02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:43,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, either the medial or the lateral, not sure which

2578
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:44,760
Speaker 4: possibly both.

2579
02:12:45,520 --> 02:12:48,240
Speaker 1: Speaking of keeping it on ice, JMB is doing exactly

2580
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:49,040
Speaker 1: that as a theme.

2581
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:51,760
Speaker 2: I did the Nordeek's jersey on. Guess what I did.

2582
02:12:52,200 --> 02:12:54,880
Speaker 8: I drove them all the way to Bloomington around eleven

2583
02:12:55,000 --> 02:12:56,920
Speaker 8: thirty to play it the Hyper and couldn't find a

2584
02:12:56,960 --> 02:12:58,960
Speaker 8: spot around the Hyper and had to come all the

2585
02:12:59,000 --> 02:13:04,400
Speaker 8: way back here. See nobody ever telling me I'm not hardcore.

2586
02:13:04,680 --> 02:13:06,640
Speaker 1: Hard core, so you're saying you couldn't find a spot

2587
02:13:06,640 --> 02:13:07,520
Speaker 1: on the floor of the part.

2588
02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:10,080
Speaker 8: I couldn't find a spot in the parking lot anywhere,

2589
02:13:10,240 --> 02:13:12,880
Speaker 8: like the Memorial Union. Both those lots.

2590
02:13:12,600 --> 02:13:14,400
Speaker 2: Were filled, probably because they're all snow covered.

2591
02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:16,760
Speaker 8: Right, That's exactly right. I should have thought about that

2592
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:18,560
Speaker 8: before I went down there. But I go all the

2593
02:13:18,560 --> 02:13:22,360
Speaker 8: way down to play at the Hyper and uh, turn.

2594
02:13:22,240 --> 02:13:23,120
Speaker 1: Around, come back up here.

2595
02:13:23,160 --> 02:13:24,840
Speaker 8: That's when I was listening to you, and I thought, Man,

2596
02:13:24,840 --> 02:13:27,560
Speaker 8: if you need to help her all the bullpen, I

2597
02:13:28,440 --> 02:13:29,520
Speaker 8: could come in and help you.

2598
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:31,920
Speaker 1: You've had this sort of thing all the time, Yeah,

2599
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:34,680
Speaker 1: all the time. Sure, I don't feel bad. I don't

2600
02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:35,320
Speaker 1: think I have a call.

2601
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:38,920
Speaker 2: It's just a bunch of crap, isn't it. So A

2602
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:39,640
Speaker 2: bunch of crap?

2603
02:13:39,720 --> 02:13:42,040
Speaker 1: Okay, bunch of crap. What's lined up on the big

2604
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:43,800
Speaker 1: program today? Surely I have a question.

2605
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:44,280
Speaker 8: I don't know.

2606
02:13:45,680 --> 02:13:47,360
Speaker 1: Oh NBA trade dead lu stuff today.

2607
02:13:47,400 --> 02:13:49,920
Speaker 8: I think Sidery is going to come on here, so

2608
02:13:50,040 --> 02:13:51,520
Speaker 8: then I'll probably get all the rest of the nerds

2609
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:53,680
Speaker 8: out there all mad about how come I'm having Sidery

2610
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:55,000
Speaker 8: on and he takes there all their stuff?

2611
02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:55,800
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that?

2612
02:13:55,880 --> 02:13:58,240
Speaker 8: The agg They called him an aggregator and then dragged

2613
02:13:58,240 --> 02:13:59,080
Speaker 8: me into the conversation.

2614
02:13:59,160 --> 02:14:01,600
Speaker 1: I was ready to whips. But you know what, Yeah,

2615
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:04,920
Speaker 1: Evans always got I love Evan man, I love them all.

2616
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:05,600
Speaker 2: He's on top of it.

2617
02:14:05,640 --> 02:14:08,120
Speaker 8: We can all get along here, all right, It's fine,

2618
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:09,880
Speaker 8: we can go get along. It all comes down to

2619
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:12,120
Speaker 8: likes and how many views you get and all that

2620
02:14:12,200 --> 02:14:15,280
Speaker 8: happy horse crap. So but I like having a great deal.

2621
02:14:15,320 --> 02:14:18,160
Speaker 8: I like them all honestly. And Tony East is coming

2622
02:14:18,200 --> 02:14:21,720
Speaker 8: on today. Loved Tony East. Very insightful. And I'm going

2623
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:24,120
Speaker 8: to continue to wonder why Trent Sisley didn't get more

2624
02:14:24,160 --> 02:14:27,400
Speaker 8: than six minutes last night. Yeah, I watched the He's

2625
02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:29,360
Speaker 8: Gonna look good in the boiler make uniform next year?

2626
02:14:30,360 --> 02:14:33,080
Speaker 8: There you go, or for Dusty and an Arbor one

2627
02:14:33,120 --> 02:14:35,920
Speaker 8: of the Seriously, why is he not playing?

2628
02:14:36,720 --> 02:14:37,240
Speaker 1: Is he mad?

2629
02:14:38,360 --> 02:14:39,160
Speaker 2: That's a good question.

2630
02:14:40,680 --> 02:14:42,720
Speaker 8: I don't understand why you want to play your son

2631
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:43,600
Speaker 8: thirty seven minutes.

2632
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:47,880
Speaker 1: But he was broke as a joke and he really doesn't. Yeah,

2633
02:14:47,920 --> 02:14:50,200
Speaker 1: Tucker to I said last night, I'm like, is he hurt?

2634
02:14:51,160 --> 02:14:54,240
Speaker 1: He looked half a speed compared to everybody else on the

2635
02:14:54,240 --> 02:14:55,760
Speaker 1: floor when you get thirty seven minutes.

2636
02:14:55,880 --> 02:14:57,240
Speaker 4: If his dad wasn't a coach.

2637
02:14:57,640 --> 02:14:59,840
Speaker 1: No, And I said, unfortunately, he looks like a guy

2638
02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:02,000
Speaker 1: that got two thousand points because his dad was a coach.

2639
02:15:02,040 --> 02:15:05,040
Speaker 8: And listen, I love him to death too, but at

2640
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:07,880
Speaker 8: some point, if they're not getting it done, and see

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02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:10,600
Speaker 8: Matt has had to realize that a little bit too

2642
02:15:10,920 --> 02:15:13,200
Speaker 8: with Fletcher Lawyer. At some point, when he's not getting

2643
02:15:13,200 --> 02:15:15,040
Speaker 8: it done, you got to go find somebody else.

2644
02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:19,960
Speaker 1: And he wasn't get him figured out. And you know,

2645
02:15:20,040 --> 02:15:22,080
Speaker 1: Nick Dorn didn't help either. He was two for twelve.

2646
02:15:22,440 --> 02:15:25,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just the debris thing he's been And you

2647
02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:31,320
Speaker 8: asked the question to Zach. He looks either injured or tired,

2648
02:15:31,600 --> 02:15:36,040
Speaker 8: warned if something is not right, because listen, they struggle

2649
02:15:36,080 --> 02:15:39,760
Speaker 8: against athleticism, and USC is very athletic, but it's more

2650
02:15:39,880 --> 02:15:40,680
Speaker 8: than just that.

2651
02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:42,680
Speaker 2: Most of the time, I couldn't.

2652
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:45,640
Speaker 1: Remember this, and I asked Eddie this Andy Enfeld, who

2653
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:47,440
Speaker 1: was the coach at USC before Muscleman.

2654
02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:49,320
Speaker 8: I can't remember that. They let him go or he

2655
02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:51,680
Speaker 8: goes somewhere. I think he got canned, didn't he Where

2656
02:15:51,680 --> 02:15:53,400
Speaker 8: do he go? Yeah, I think he got canned. He

2657
02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:54,920
Speaker 8: came from I don't know. I don't know where he

2658
02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:57,200
Speaker 8: is now. I do like muscle On a great deal.

2659
02:15:57,240 --> 02:15:59,200
Speaker 8: I think Muscleman is a good dude. It's funny. Last

2660
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:01,240
Speaker 8: year at the Big Ten Tournament, I ran into Muscleman

2661
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:03,560
Speaker 8: at the hotel right across from the field house, and

2662
02:16:03,600 --> 02:16:06,520
Speaker 8: he sounded exactly like you did. He said, I'd go

2663
02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:08,440
Speaker 8: on with you right now, but my voice say all hell,

2664
02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:09,560
Speaker 8: I don't know what's wrong with me.

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Speaker 2: I much sis time.

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02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:13,560
Speaker 1: Here Eddie's screaming at us and he does that voice,

2667
02:16:13,560 --> 02:16:15,520
Speaker 1: and he's telling us to rap all right. John's up

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02:16:15,560 --> 02:16:17,160
Speaker 1: next to be back with the Noon tomorrow. I thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening to the Quey Company.