1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Lie from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. Well, hey, everybody, welcome to another edition 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: of Tony Katz Today. I am not Tony Katz, as 4 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: you can tell. I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Today. 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: I'll be in for Tony on Friday as well. Lots 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: going on. In fact, I've got a great guest. I 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: don't even tell Landing about this. I got a great 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: guest I'm trying to work on for Friday. You're gonna 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: want to tune in. There's a new documentary out on 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: Netflix on Friday about the nineteen eighty US Olympic Hockey team. Now, 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: obviously the seminole documentary was the HBO documentary Do You 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: Believe In Miracles? I'm wondering what this one is going 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: to add to it. And obviously there was the movie 14 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: Miracles Starting starring Kurt Russell as Herb Brooks. But anyway, 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to get somebody from the nineteen eighty 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: US Olympic Hockey team for Friday's show to talk about this. 17 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm very excited. He and I traded messages. I can 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: say he's a he. He and I traded messages. It's 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: they're they're doing a lot of press he and his teammates, 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: So we shall see in the meantime. That's Friday. In 21 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: the meantime, we got a great show today, going to 22 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: be joined in a little bit by Horace Cooper. Horace 23 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: Cooper who is a conservative activist. He is a with 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: a Project twenty one, which is a project of the 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: National Center for Public Policy Research. Horace has got a 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: great a great eye for things that are happening in 27 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: the world, so we're going to talk to him. We've 28 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: got Brandon Arnold from the National Taxpayers Union joining us 29 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: as well. You know, I saw a meme over meme, 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: could you call it a meme? I saw a headline clickbait, 31 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: came through my email about consumer confidence being the lowest 32 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: that it's in a decade, and I'm thinking, no, that's 33 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: not right. I know consumers are uneasy right now, and 34 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: there are a lot of reasons for it. But we're 35 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: going to talk to Brandon Arnold about that. And then 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: in the last hour of the show, we've got Daniel Rundy, 37 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: who's a public policy foreign policy scholar, is written a 38 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: book about American soft power and the importance thereof we're 39 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: going to talk to him about what's going on in 40 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: the world, especially in light of where we're going to 41 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: start today, which is Marco Rubio was testifying up before 42 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: the Senate. He went up there about Venezuela because something 43 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: I haven't talked about this in a while. Let me 44 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: set this up this way. The first Trump term, you know, 45 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one. You know, it's almost like, 46 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: do you guys remember that when in the nineteen eighties, 47 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: maybe it was even in the late seventies, there were 48 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: a couple of compilation albums that came out. There was 49 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: the Red Album, which was Beatles' Music sixty two to 50 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: sixty six, and then the Red Album sixty seven to seventy. No, 51 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: I got that backwards. Red album is sixty two to 52 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: sixty six. Blue album is a sixty seven to seventy 53 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: is essentially the way we look at it with the 54 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: Trump terms. The first first, the first term was the 55 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: red term, the second is the blue term, and the 56 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: red term of Donald Trump. The first term could be 57 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: most categorized by being reactive. In reactionary, I mean they 58 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: tried to go on the offensive on things. It was tough, 59 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: and they had They were dealing with what I called 60 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: the wheel of Trump. The Democrats, the never Trumpers, would 61 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: spin the wheel of Trump and whatever came up on top. 62 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: That was the theme of the week. Trump is a racist, 63 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: Trump is a fascist, Trump is incompetent. We need to 64 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: invoke the twenty fifth Amendment. And yet there is some 65 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: of that that goes on now, But now it really 66 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: is the Trump administration calling the tune. That's what they're doing. 67 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: They are spinning the wheel. So obviously this week we're 68 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: dealing with the ice issue and what's happened. We're going 69 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: to talk about that today. A couple of weeks ago, 70 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: it was the snatching of Maduro in Venezuela and the 71 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: moaning and whaling and gnashing of teeth on the part 72 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: of the Democrats. Well Mark or Rubio was up on 73 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: the hill today testifying, let's go aheadland to play cut 74 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: number twelve. 75 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: Let me just say this, what is our goal going in? 76 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: We had in our hemisphere a regime operated by an 77 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: indicted narco trafficker that became a base of operation for 78 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: virtually every competitor, adversary, and enemy in the world. It 79 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: was for Iran, their primary spot of operation in the 80 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: Western hemisphere was Venezuela. For Russia, their primary base of 81 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: operation in the Western hemisphere, along Cuba and Nicaragua was Venezuela. 82 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: In the case of China, China was receiving oil at 83 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: a huge bouck twenty dollars a barre old discount, and 84 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: what they weren't even paying money for it. It was 85 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: being used to pay down debt that they were owed. 86 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: And this is the oil of the people of Venezuela, 87 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,559 Speaker 2: and it was being given to the Chinese as barter 88 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: at a twenty percent at a twenty dollars discount per 89 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: baro in some cases. And so you had basically three 90 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: of our primary opponents in the world operating from our hemisphere. 91 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: From that spot. It was also a place where he 92 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: had a narco trafficking regime that openly cooperated with the 93 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: FARC and the ELN and other drag drug trafficking organizations 94 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: using their national territory. 95 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: It was an enormous. 96 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: Strategic risk for the United States, not halfway around the world, 97 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: not in another continent, but in the hemisphere in which 98 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: we all live, and it was having dramatic impacts on 99 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: us but also on Columbia and on the Caribbean basin. 100 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 4: All Right, you. 101 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: Get the picture here. It's you know, he's describing a 102 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: post apak what is essentially a post apocalyptic healscape, not 103 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: that it was a post apocalyptic healscape, but you know, 104 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: all kinds of bad things were ensuing from this, uh, 105 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: this area that had been left to neglect. And there's 106 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: a theme here that we're gonna We're gonna wind our 107 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: way through today talking about these things, and we're going 108 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: to talk quite a bit about the Cloward Piven strategy, 109 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: which is, you know, sort of the modern take on 110 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: what we talked about last week, which is the uh, 111 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: the issue of the Hegelian dialectic, right, and and how 112 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: problems get created and exacerbated in order for folks to 113 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: consolidate power. You know, you think about the last administration. 114 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: Now you all know that my day job, I spend 115 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: time dealing with the issue of regulations in the regulatory 116 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: state and the executive branch. Also do health care policy. 117 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: But I do have a background in international relations. That's 118 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: what my undergraduate degree is in. But the point is, 119 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: you sort of you look at these things and the 120 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: Biden administration they obviously pulled a fast one, and again 121 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: we got a clipple play later on from Joe Biden 122 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: about this. But you will remember that the Biden administration 123 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: approach to immigration, right they'd named, let's not even call 124 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: where the borders are, the immigrations are whatever. They said, 125 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, we're putting you in charge of the policy here. 126 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: Now that's a fact, right, depending on regardless of how 127 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: you want to characterize her job. But one of the 128 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: things that the Biden administration, as voiced by Kamala Harris, 129 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: one of their strategies for dealing with illegal migration of 130 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: the United States was that they were going to focus 131 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: on the root cause. Now, I have no problem with 132 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: dealing with root causes. I think, in point of fact, 133 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: you should deal with root causes of public policy problems 134 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: because if you don't deal with the root cause, whatever 135 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: solution you engage in is only going to be temporary. Case. 136 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: In point of Obamacare and health care in America, the 137 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: root cause, the root driver of our health care problems 138 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: in America is that we don't have enough doctors, nurses, 139 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: and physicians assistance to go around. But instead we focus 140 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: on it as an insurance problem, and there are other things, right, Ultimately, 141 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: it comes down to supply, whether it's the supply of 142 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: a medical care provider's time, or the access to pharmaceuticals, 143 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: or the access to medical devices and treatments, all of 144 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: those things. And the more you obfuscate in between the 145 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: patient and the care, the less you're going to be 146 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: able to solve the problem. Anyway, you listen to what 147 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: Mark or Rubio was saying. I think a number of 148 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: Venezuelans who migrated to the United States illegally and legally 149 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: while Joe Biden was president, and one of the problems 150 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: was that, despite their protestations to the contrary, the Biden 151 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: administration didn't go after the root causes, and they let 152 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: the situation in Venezuela fester, just in the same way 153 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: that they let the general issue of illegal migration to 154 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: the United States fester. And in a moment, after we 155 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: hear our spots, we're going to talk about what's happening 156 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: right now, what's happening in Minnesota and the reactions they're 157 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: in and the problems that are being created. You want 158 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: to hear from me, by the way, you want to 159 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: talk to me, communicate me while I'm on the air. No, 160 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: I still haven't set up the Andrew Langer radio thing, 161 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 1: so email me directly Andrew M. Langer at gmail dot com. 162 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: That's Andrew M. L A n G E R at 163 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. You can also list to me on Facebook, 164 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 1: Facebook dot com slash Andrew Langer Show, and you can 165 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: at me on Twitter at Andrew Underscore Langer on Twitter. 166 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: I am Andrew Langer. This is Tony Katz today. We 167 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: are back. Everybody. I am Andrew Langer in for Tony 168 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: Katz today. I'll be back on Friday. I know Landon 169 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: is very very excited to U. Landon's very excited about 170 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: the possible guest on Friday, so check that out. A 171 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: couple of minutes, we got Horace Cooper. I'm excited to 172 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: have Horace Cooper join us today. But yeah, so as 173 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: we are talking about, and it's going to be the 174 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: main theme of the show, this is this situation is 175 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: what Democrats want for a whole host of reasons. They like, 176 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: they like being able to stir up the anger against 177 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: the Trump administration. They like finding the sort of the 178 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: singular issues there, and frankly, you know, as much as 179 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: they might want to Bemoan Renee Good. You know, like 180 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: everybody else, they these folks become martyrs to the cause. 181 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: That being said, we are seeing some some some things 182 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: start to shake out a little bit. And I want 183 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: to start here. Uh, Tom Holman has arrived on the 184 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: ground in Minnesota to take charge of this situation. What 185 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: is a chaotic and I will say it a chaotic situation, 186 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: but that's what the Democrats want. This is part of 187 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: the Cloward Pivens strategy, which we're going to talk about. 188 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: But Tim Waltz, governor of Minnesota. Uh, he had this 189 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: to say. It's fascinating. Let's play cut number one first 190 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: on the meeting of Tom Olhoman. How did that go? 191 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on em? 192 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 5: Well, Tom Holman's a professional, which i is a lot 193 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 5: more than Bevino in Christy Nome. But look, I think 194 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 5: the thing we said is we're very clear about this 195 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 5: that we need these folks out of Minnesota and uh 196 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 5: and we need we need justice for Renee Good and 197 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 5: for alex and those were those were things that we 198 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 5: came with. I think the thing that I'm most concerned 199 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 5: about is the tone was different. There was a tone shift. 200 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 5: I wish it was because of the horrific, you know, shooting, 201 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 5: that somebody saw some. 202 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: Morality, but I think it's probably the press. 203 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 5: But with that being said, I'm not interested in a 204 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 5: more efficient metro surge. I'm I'm I'm ready for them 205 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 5: to get out of here. And I think that's where 206 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 5: Minnesotans are talking about. 207 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: So it was it was progress. 208 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 5: Look, I never got a call from Bovino or no nothing, no, 209 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 5: nothing when they're coming here. And Tom Holman landed last 210 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 5: night and he called me last night and asked if 211 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 5: he could have a meeting, and he was there at 212 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 5: nine o'clock. 213 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: So look, I think. 214 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 3: It's that's that's progress. 215 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 5: But they started this fire, so we're not giving anybody 216 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 5: credit for putting it out. But right now what we 217 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 5: need is we need to work as normalcy by these 218 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 5: I SATs. 219 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: All right, hold on for a second. No they didn't. 220 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no no no. Come, 221 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: oh my god, wow, I'd missed that sort of at 222 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: the end there. Well they started the fIF No, they 223 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: did not know what I love about this. We now 224 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: know that there is this signal group chat that is 225 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: going around and it's got all kinds of high level 226 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: democratic government officials in you know, here, here's the thing, guys. 227 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: You know, well, when when when Twitter was just starting out, 228 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: way way back when, and I I had not, I 229 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: had not decided to go on Twitter, Facebook was going 230 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: to be my limit. I was reminded of of of 231 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: anaphorism by one of my uh, one of my mentors 232 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: in politics, and he said, you know, never put down 233 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: in print, never put down in an email. Uh, something 234 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't want printed on the front page of 235 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: the Washington Post, right, And and the idea is it's 236 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: it's it's a one off on the idea of the 237 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: internet is forever, you know. And the Trump administration learned 238 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: this the hard way. In this in this uh uh, 239 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: the the blue cover version of the Trump administration, right, 240 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: there's a signal chat. Somebody who shouldn't have been on 241 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: the signal chat was on the signal chat. And guess what, 242 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: the signal chat got lead got got leaked. And and 243 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: you know, for Tim Waltz to come out there and say, 244 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: well they started it, good lord, what an idiotic thing 245 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: to say. Because you know something, Governor, the truth will 246 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: out and the higher it goes in terms of folks 247 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: who are on this signal chat coordinating the resistance, by 248 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: the way, that that's what it is all about. I 249 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: don't I don't know why you guys are trying to 250 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: hide this. You know you have you have been calling 251 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: for this level of resistance since before President Trump got elected, Right, 252 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: that's the nature of the beast. George Lucas did a 253 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: whole movie v about this, you know. I mean, listen, 254 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the Phantom Menace in which he 255 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: in which he took a big uh uh poop on 256 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: Republicans in the late nineties, right, Uh, the Newt Ging 257 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: Newt gun ray and the uh and the the Trade Federation, 258 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, George Lucas trying to spin it. 259 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: Uh. 260 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: But but you know the the the second you know, 261 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: the the latest of the Star Wars sequels that were terrible, right, 262 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: the resistance, rise of the resistance is the is the 263 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: Disney ride down there? Right? You you you you see 264 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and trump uh trump adherence is Nazis. You 265 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: talked in the past about it being okay to punch Nazis. 266 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: Now you guys lit this fuse and you can't walk away. 267 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: And and right, especially when it was your wife Governor 268 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: who was the one who said she didn't feel more 269 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: proud of America until until she's the smell burning tires. 270 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: It's your fault. No, you guys lit the fuse. These 271 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: guys are just doing their job. And you know, again 272 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: Cloward pivens strategy a Gaeian dialectic. If you had taken 273 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: care of the problem, and you hadn't allowed for a 274 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: ten million, let's be charitable to say ten million illegal 275 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: immigrants to come into the country between twenty twenty one 276 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty five, a great many of them being 277 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: violent offenders. I'm not saying all of them. I'm not 278 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: saying all immigrants. I'm not saying all illegal immigrants are 279 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: violent offenders, but a great many of them are. In fact, 280 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: I know, Landa, I'm gonna drive Landing up the wall today. Landa. 281 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: Let's let's jump down. Let's play cut number eight for everybody. 282 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: Here is Joe Rogan talking about this issue. Let's play 283 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: cut eight with the ice thing. 284 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 6: Well, you're only seeing and you're only hearing about out 285 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 6: American citizens that have been arrested, the lady that got shot, 286 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 6: you're hearing about all these negative matter which you're not 287 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 6: hearing about. Is the number of violent criminals that they've caught, 288 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 6: and it's a lot. 289 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: It's in the thousands. 290 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 6: It's not like thousands of American citizens have been shipped 291 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 6: out to other country. 292 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: That's no. 293 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 6: It's like net positive if you look at it that way, right. 294 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: Net positive if you look at it that way. And 295 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: the media is not talking about this. Why because they 296 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: want this? They want all of it. They want they 297 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: want the illegal immigrants, they want what happens with the 298 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: voting and how that changes it. They they want, uh, 299 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: they want the chaos that has ensued. They want to 300 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: make Donald Trump out to be the bad guy. That's 301 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: what they want. Here. You know, we're gonna come back 302 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: to Ron Johnson. But let's hear here is the the 303 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: the DA of Philadelphia, Lawrence Krasner. He's adding to the mix. 304 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: Let's play cut number three. 305 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 7: This is a small bunch of wanna be Nazis, that's 306 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 7: what they are. In a country of three hundred and 307 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 7: fifty million, we outnumber them. 308 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: If we have to. 309 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 8: Hunt you down the way they hunted down Nazis for decades, 310 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 8: we will find your identities, we will find you, we 311 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 8: will achieve justice. 312 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: And you know it is it isn't a one off 313 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: on on you know the hot take here, Each one 314 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: of these guys wants to outdo each other in terms 315 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: of it. Let's jump down here is here is Eric 316 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: Swallwell running for governor in California. Let's play cut number four. 317 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: They're going to lose their immunity, They're not going to 318 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: be able to drive. 319 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: I will take your driver's license. 320 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: Good luck walking to work, right, That's that's what they're 321 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: talking about here. All because the they created the problem, 322 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: they have exacerbated the problem. They are using the problem 323 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: as an excuse to engage in violent behavior. They are 324 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: sitting around, sitting around, standing up and impeding federal law 325 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: enforcement in the lawful discharging of their duties. And they're 326 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: using whatever the reaction is to further justify their actions. 327 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: In a moment, we're going to be joined by Horace Cooper, 328 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: law professor Horace Cooper, conservative activist Horace Cooper from the 329 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: National Center for Public Policy Research. I am Andrew Langer, 330 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: and this is Tony Kats Today. Hey, everybody, welcome back. 331 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today on 332 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. Very excited to land and let me know, 333 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: if we have our guest, I've known him for a 334 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: long time in DC. His name is Horace Cooper. He 335 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: is a fellow with the Project One Want at the 336 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: National Center for Public Policy Research. He is an author 337 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: of a number of different books. Horase, what's the latest book? 338 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 4: My latest is put You Go Back and Change, and 339 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 4: it's all about how the progressive agenda has been harming 340 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 4: Black America. 341 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: So our guest is Horace Cooper. I'm very excited to 342 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: have him on. Horace. I was I was channeling you yesterday. 343 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: I was doing some comments to a federal agency and 344 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: I was sort of taking them off of the the 345 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: caution from you and Justice Scalia. And I believe Justice 346 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: Hughes that the Constitution is not a suicide pact. And 347 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: I want to talk about that in the com within 348 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: the construct of what's going on in Minneapolis, what's going 349 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: on with dealing with the illegal migrant issue? Talk to 350 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 1: us about this. 351 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's a very interesting thing that there 352 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 4: are individuals upset in communities in our country that pick 353 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 4: what they like to call their favorite parts of the 354 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 4: Constitution rather than taking the Constitution as a whole. It 355 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 4: is important that all parts are given life, accepted, and supported. 356 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 4: What we're seeing right now is one of the biggest 357 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 4: federalism challenges jack the country has faced in a while. 358 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 4: Our system is a federalist system that allows for states 359 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 4: to have privacy in a whole range of areas, but 360 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 4: then specific areas are given to the federal government, and 361 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: when the area is a clash, our Constitution explicitly says 362 00:21:54,520 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 4: with the Supremacy Clause that constitutional provisions that the federal 363 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 4: government is carrying out reign supreme when they clash or 364 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 4: when they conflict with those of state laws. Right. 365 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this is what gets me is the left 366 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: only seems to care about federalism when they're angry about 367 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: something that the president is doing. And then, of course, 368 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: like everything else, they sort of bungle what it means. 369 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 4: You know. 370 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: When I'm someone who believes in the importance of federalism, 371 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: Justice O'Connor wrote, the federalism secures to individuals the liberties 372 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: that derive from the diffusion of sovereign power. But that 373 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: does not mean that the federal government has no power. 374 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: The federal government has very very clear powers. But this 375 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: is what the left wants, right They I'm going to 376 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: say this. They love this, they love the chaos, they 377 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: love the anger that it generates. It's all about power 378 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: and regaining power for them, isn't it. 379 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 4: Well it is. But this is reminiscent of what we 380 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 4: saw during segregation. When the United States Supreme Court ruled 381 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 4: in the Landmark decision in nineteen fifty four Brownbee Board 382 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: that segregation as practice with schools as practice with facility 383 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 4: access was unconstitutional, ie against the United States Constitution. Well, 384 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 4: there were state governments that didn't like that, and some 385 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 4: of their leaders tried to steigning or prevent the carrying 386 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 4: out of this constitutional prerogative. This is what our founders did. 387 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 4: And when the drafters of the thirteen, fourteenth, and fifty 388 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 4: Amendment amended, they made short to say, But there were 389 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 4: some states that thought, we are going to talk about 390 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 4: states rights and use that as a basis for steyming 391 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 4: or preventing, or even undermining, contravening the constitutional determination made 392 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 4: by the Supreme Court. What I see happening in Minnesota 393 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 4: is very similar. A governor and a mayor both saying 394 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 4: that they're encouraging people to undermine even contravene the enforcement 395 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 4: of federal law. If in fact, this federal law runs 396 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 4: a foul of the Constitution. They should take it to 397 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 4: a federal court and challenge it there. This is like, 398 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 4: you're unhappy about how bank robbery is being punished, and 399 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 4: you go and demonstrate, and in the course of your demonstration, 400 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 4: you try to assist bank robbers so that they can 401 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 4: carry out their bank robbery because you don't agree with 402 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 4: those laws in America. If you do that, you'll be 403 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 4: arrested rightly. 404 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: This is what It's so funny you say that because 405 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: last week when I was talking about this story of 406 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: the toddler or the five year old being left in 407 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: the car by the father who was fleeing, and the 408 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: left was all up in arms about this, I'm like, 409 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: so wait a minute. So now basically we're enunciating a 410 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: new way to get out of jail free. If you 411 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: commit a crime and there's a kid in the car 412 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: when you're trying to get away, the cops should just 413 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: let you get away and not pull you over, which 414 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: is again an insane way of doing things. We're talking 415 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: with Horace Cooper. He is a Senior Fellow with the 416 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: National Center for Public Policy Research and chairman of the 417 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: Project twenty one national advisory board and a legal commentator. 418 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: Let's talk about how this is all playing out politically. Horse, 419 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: You know, you spend a lot of time up on 420 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: the hill, you spend a lot of time in conservative politics. 421 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: How is how is this really playing for everyday Americans? 422 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: You know, I know the goal is to chip away 423 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: at the support for President Trump. What are you seeing? 424 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 4: Well, a couple of things. I want to use the 425 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 4: segregation analogy again. Any on the left say that America 426 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 4: had to be forced, kicking and screaming to adopt the 427 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: equality principle, Well, the facts are just the opposite. The 428 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 4: overwhelming majority of Americans accepted this, and there were some 429 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 4: who thought, for their political advantage, they would violate this 430 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 4: constitutional principle. Over time, what we see is that the 431 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 4: Supreme Court's determination ended up being an enduring and popular 432 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 4: view among the American people that has maintained for most 433 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 4: of the next fifty plus years. Now, there is a 434 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 4: sustained effort we won't talk about today, but there's been 435 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 4: a sustained effort to try to undermine this principle by 436 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 4: the left. But when you ask the American people, they 437 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 4: will tell you they agree and accept the equality principle. 438 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 4: Initial polling on this ice enforcement continues to show more 439 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 4: than sixty percent of Americans believe that enforcement of the 440 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 4: federal immigration policies should continue and are things that are needed. 441 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 4: We are at this point where members of the media 442 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 4: did something today are in twenty twenty six that they 443 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 4: did not do in nineteen fifty six. They didn't promote 444 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 4: those who were undermining the equality principle, then they are 445 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 4: actively attempting to do so now. 446 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: I believe that. 447 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 4: The American people, as the administration continues to explain the purpose, 448 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: and even local news which is covering not just Minnesota, 449 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 4: but it's covering these incidents that people who are in 450 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 4: the country unlawful are doing, are only bolstering that case. 451 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: There we go, Horace. How do folks find out more 452 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: about the good work that you are doing. 453 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 4: Check us out at www dot Nationalcenter dot org, or 454 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 4: you can follow me on x at the Horace Cooper. 455 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: That The Horace Cooper can't wait for the next book, 456 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: Doctor hors Cooper, thank you so very much for joining 457 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: us today. Thank you so much more to get to 458 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: on the show. We're going to continue to talk about 459 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: these immigration issues. We're going to talk economics. In the 460 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: next hour we got Brandon Arnold joining us, and then 461 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: back to foreign policy with Daniel Rundy. In the last 462 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: hour of the show, I am Andrew Langer. This is 463 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. We are back, everybody. I am Andrew 464 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: Langer in for Tony Katz today. So glad I can 465 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: join you and you can join me on this Tuesday. No, 466 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: it's Wednesday. Wednesday days are flowing together, you know, and 467 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: it gets worse when we have these storms. I know 468 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: Tony's thing got to get postponed till the end of February, 469 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: and I would again try to come out, but unfortunately 470 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: that last weekend in February, I am otherwise booked. By 471 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: the way, later on in the show, I also meant 472 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: to mention this. I'll bring this up at the top 473 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: of the next hour. At the top of the following 474 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: hour as well, there's a rather melancholy anniversary today as well. 475 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: We're going to talk a little bit about about that, 476 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: So stay tuned to the last hour of the show. 477 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: In the meantime, I want to and off of what 478 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: Horace was talking about and what the Democrats are doing 479 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: and the goals here that are in mind. And what's 480 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: happening on the ground. Ron Johnson, Senator from Wisconsin, he 481 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: was on the news this morning. We got somewhere Ron 482 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: Johnson as well, but here he is talking about the 483 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: escalation plan in Minnesota. Let's play out number two. 484 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: ICE and Custom and Border Patrol. 485 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 9: They are conducting operations throughout the country to really fulfill 486 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 9: the mandate of the duly elected president. I mean, America 487 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 9: voted because for President Trump, because we didn't want open borders. 488 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 9: We wanted criminals in particular deported. And where you have 489 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 9: states and cities cooperating with ICE, you don't have this violence. 490 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 9: You don't have these tragic deaths of protesters who have 491 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 9: been incited toward now we obstruction. 492 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 3: Justins also violence toward ICE. 493 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 9: So where you have local states that are cooperating, you 494 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 9: don't have this violence. You have this problem where you 495 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 9: have sanctuary c who have welcomed illegal immigrants and criminals 496 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 9: into their cities and then they shield them, they protect them. 497 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 3: It is crazy. 498 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 9: I mean what President Trump laid out in terms of, 499 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 9: you know, his requirements for de escalation, I think the 500 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 9: vast majority of Americans agree with. So it's just, you know, 501 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 9: this is ginned up by the radical left. They've now 502 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 9: got a couple of martyrs. This is the predictable results 503 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 9: of incentive of inciting people towards. 504 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 3: Violence and instruction of justice. It's just tragic. But this 505 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 3: is again, this is all because of the. 506 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 9: Democrats open border policy allowing millions of flood in this country. 507 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: Cletely communicates we can end it there, and you know 508 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: the left and the leftists are going. But but Senator Johnson, 509 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: how dare you? We need to stand up, We need 510 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: to resist when the federal government does these things, when 511 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: they do bad things. The only reason why there's no 512 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 1: violence in these other cities is because the mayors and 513 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: the governors and the elected officials there, they're just laying down. 514 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: They're just laying down. And we can't do that in 515 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: the face of tyranny. We have to stand up, right, 516 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: and this is what you get at the end of 517 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: the day. Now, Listen, I don't know if if the 518 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: the male nurse who was shot, whether that was a 519 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: good a good shooting or not, you know, and I 520 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: want to I want to find that out. I do. 521 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: I do know that at the end of the day, 522 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: if you take a gun to a protest and tensions 523 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: are high, and you have other officials talking about targeting 524 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: agents and wanting to target agents, you know, talking about 525 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: hunting down ICE agents. Yeah, things are going to be 526 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: a little tense. It's a phrase I've used on these 527 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: air rays before. If you didn't want to go to Chicago, 528 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have gotten on that train. We are in 529 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: the era of f around and find out, And I'm 530 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: not saying that justifies every instance of pushback. You know, 531 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: you block an ICE convoy and your spouse is out 532 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: of the car, antagonizing ICE officials, and then jumps in 533 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: the car when it looks like she's going to get 534 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: arrested and tells you to gun it at an agent. 535 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: Gun it hit the gas, and your car is pointed 536 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: at an agent and that agent has less than a 537 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: split second to react. Someone is going to get hurt. 538 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but it's the person who is carrying 539 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: out the lawful engagement of their duties who is in 540 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: the right, by and large, again not trying to equivocate here. 541 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, you know, with this 542 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: second shooting, I do know that if this person had 543 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: been protesting in a legitimate fashion, right and hadn't shown up. Right, 544 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: when I heard about this shooting, I thought it was 545 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: going to be the Doe boy with the the AR fifteen, 546 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: right that. Yeah, thank you, No, no, no, no, no, no, no 547 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: to the Sorry Landa. I'm not talking about it. I'm 548 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: not talking about Yle Rittenhouse. I'm talking about the guy 549 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: who was in Minneapolis on his on his lawn with 550 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: the AR fifteen, saying that he was there to defend 551 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: his neighborhood. You know you Yes, When I was talking 552 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: to John Justice last week here, I think we were 553 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: trying to figure out the name for the airborne unit 554 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: that was coming in, and I said that, you know, certainly, 555 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: with guys like this, he should be called they should 556 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: be called the dough boys, the so called resistors. Yeah, 557 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: that's going to happen. You know that, By the way, 558 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: is the nature of this. It's like this idea of 559 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: folks showing up to protest and who are blocking law 560 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: enforcement in the legitimate carrying out of their duties there, 561 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: and folks who are decrying them getting arrested. That's the 562 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: risk you take. You know, if you block a highway, 563 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: if you glue yourself to a highway, you're going to 564 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: get arrested for it. It's not the government's fault. It's 565 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: not law enforcement's fault for arresting you. We shouldn't be 566 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: bemoaning people who are getting arrested for this, the folks 567 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: who invaded the church a week ago Sunday. So listen, 568 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna shift gears a little bit. There's big announcements 569 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: in Washington today on the economics front. We've got the 570 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: Trump The Trump accounts are being announced today. We're going 571 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 1: to be joined by Brandon Arnold from the National tax 572 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: Payers and you're going to talk about a bunch of 573 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: things that are economics related. I want to talk to 574 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: him about credit card, the land and remind me of that. 575 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 1: Andrew Langath, this is Tony Katz today