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Speaker 1: Well, good evening and welcome to the gun Guy Show

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Speaker 1: here on ninety three WIBC. We're glad you're with us.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited we have celebrity guest producer Kylon Tally in

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Speaker 1: have a guest celebrity producer like Kylee. You know Kylin

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Speaker 1: from various stage productions here around Indianapolis, Indianapolis Repertory Theater

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Speaker 1: and others. She was the Ice Princess just this last

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Speaker 1: and the kids and parents as well love that out there.

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Speaker 1: So we're always we're always excited when we have Kylin

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Speaker 1: we're excited when we do. In the meantime, you know,

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Speaker 1: I spent pretty much all of last show, and this

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Speaker 1: was two weeks ago, did not have a show last

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Speaker 1: weekend with Are You Basketball? Preempting us and listen are

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Speaker 1: You Basketball? Notwithstanding a little bit of a lock of success,

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Speaker 1: this year gets a huge audience here on the radio

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Speaker 1: one stations, whether that's ten to seventy of the fans,

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Speaker 1: sometimes ten to seventy of the fan, which broadcasts most

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Speaker 1: of the IU games. Now. They used to mostly be

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Speaker 1: on WIBC, but they have moved over to the sports station,

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Speaker 1: which a lot of us think is appropriate, and that's

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Speaker 1: a solid move. But sometimes the sports stations have pre

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Speaker 1: existing contractual obligations. That can be the basketball tournament, it

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Speaker 1: can be any number of different things. By basketball tournament,

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Speaker 1: I mean IHS double A, and so sometimes they can't

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Speaker 1: air IU basketball because they have a pre existing contract

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Speaker 1: real relation, which means it comes back over here to WIBC.

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Speaker 1: And listen, we get that because it's a huge audience.

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Speaker 1: It's an important relationship for WIBC, and so I don't

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Speaker 1: pout about that too much. But it was an opportune

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Speaker 1: time to not have a show because two weeks ago

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Speaker 1: I spent an awful lot of time talking about how

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Speaker 1: the at that point, that was the first day, as

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Speaker 1: you recall, that was the first day of hostilities in Iran,

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Speaker 1: where the United States and Israel had launched their joint

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Speaker 1: offensive against the nuclear capabilities, the military infrastructure, the naval forces,

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Speaker 1: you name it there in Iran. And I talked a

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Speaker 1: little bit about that, but then translated that or related

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Speaker 1: how that can very likely translate into an increased risk

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Speaker 1: of domestic terrorism. And I won't repeat that whole conversation

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Speaker 1: Iran in this conflict, and particularly if you have any

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Speaker 1: inclination or predisposition toward Islamic terror and are now motivated

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Speaker 1: And that very night after I did my show Saturday,

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Speaker 1: late that night in Austin, Texas, we saw exactly what

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Speaker 1: I was talking about, which is where a gunman rolled

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Speaker 1: up in front of a bar on Sixth Street. And listen,

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Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time on Sixth Street in Austin.

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Speaker 1: Back in a prior life where I had a lot

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Speaker 1: that very evening or early the next morning, that's what transpired.

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Speaker 1: saying the obvious, which is, yes, this was an act

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Speaker 1: of Islamic terror, of Islamic radicalism. And listen, I understand

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Speaker 1: at the same time to simply report facts and facts

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Speaker 1: the clothing that this particular person was wearing at the

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Speaker 1: ROTC class at Old Dominion University in Virginia walked in

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Speaker 1: the ROTC class asked is this an ROTC class? The instructor,

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Speaker 1: a military hero by the name of Brandon Shaw. Talk

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Speaker 1: more about Brandon Shaw, Lieutenant Colonel Brandonshaw here in just

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Speaker 1: a bit. He answered yes, at which point this person

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Speaker 1: yelled the shooter. The terrorist yelled Allah Akbar God is great,

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Speaker 1: at which point he yelled a law bar and open

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Speaker 1: two other people before he was subdued, by the way

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Speaker 1: by students. It's not only subdued, but killed by ROTC students.

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Speaker 1: They're at Old Dominion University and listen, do we need

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Speaker 1: to mourn the death of Lieutenant Colonel Brandonshaw? You bet

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Speaker 1: because it's completely consistent with what I've been saying about

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Speaker 1: if they're not stopped with brutal, remorseless, vicious violence in

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Speaker 1: information where I learned that. It's from a gentleman named

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Speaker 1: Ed Munk, who teaches I think the most informative class

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Speaker 1: on mass shootings, mass shooting prevention, mass shooting a response

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Speaker 1: that exists in this country, if not the world, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure the world. And he talks about a mass shooting

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Speaker 1: a break, says Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show

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Speaker 1: lines and Kevin, welcome to the Gun Guy Show. Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 1: You in the Hoosier State. Oh, thank you. That means

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Speaker 2: I just want to share an idea that I had.

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Speaker 2: I bought the ed monkbok oh yeah, the first thirty

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Speaker 2: Found it extremely interesting. But what I did, and I

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Speaker 1: I love that, Kevin, that is fantastic. And have you

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Speaker 2: it's not a political book at all, it's a fatal

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Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't agree with you more, Kevin, And

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Speaker 1: And listen what Kevin just mentioned and what he did.

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Speaker 1: I love this idea. This is fantastic. I wish I'd

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Speaker 1: come up with it. I think this is what we

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Speaker 1: all ought to be doing, we ought to be And listen.

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Speaker 1: I have no financial connection to Monk or his book.

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Speaker 1: I don't make any money off this. I bought it

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Speaker 1: and I read it, and I was lucky enough to

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Speaker 1: attend a gosh, probably four hour training seminar that Edmunk

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Speaker 1: put on here in Indianapolis. And this is for the

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Speaker 1: National Association of School Resource Officers, but this was attended

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Speaker 1: by school administrators as well as school resource officers. And

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Speaker 1: I sat in a very large conference room, a big

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Speaker 1: assembly hall over the convention Center, with a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of and I would think I was the only one there.

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Speaker 1: I was just there as mister Monk's guest. But I

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Speaker 1: was there with all these school resource officers and school administrators,

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Speaker 1: and mister Monk was before his book came out but

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Speaker 1: he presented all the same data and all same information

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Speaker 1: that's in his book, and it was the most powerful

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Speaker 1: because he gives specific examples of everything he talks about,

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Speaker 1: and he gives all the statistical reinforcement and proof behind

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Speaker 1: what he said. He doesn't just throw out a bunch

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Speaker 1: of conclusions and expect you to accept them. He gives

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Speaker 1: you the data, gives you the information where you can

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Speaker 1: draw your own conclusions, and his conclusions are inescapable, things

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Speaker 1: like what I just talked about. It's about time and math.

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Speaker 1: It's not about what gun's being used. It's not about politics.

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Speaker 1: It's about time and math in terms of the need

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Speaker 1: for an immediate response to a mass shooting. That's why

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Speaker 1: he named his book First thirty Seconds. But at one point,

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Speaker 1: and this goes directly to Kevin's point, and he looked

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Speaker 1: right at the school administrators and he had people raise

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Speaker 1: their hand. You know who here is actually a resource officer?

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Speaker 1: And so many people raised their hand, probably less than

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Speaker 1: half of the room. Who's here an administrator or a

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Speaker 1: school board member? And many more people raised their hand,

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Speaker 1: and he looked at all of them and he said,

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Speaker 1: let me just tell you a simple, basic truth and

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Speaker 1: This is going to be proven by everything I'm going

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Speaker 1: to say over the next several hours in this in

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Speaker 1: this room. And that is if you were not willing

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Speaker 1: to have an armed presence, someone trained, willing and capable

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Speaker 1: to deliver violence of action, a brutal, violent response to

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Speaker 1: a mass shooter who walks into your school. If you're

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Speaker 1: not willing to have that armed response with that capacity,

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Speaker 1: then you are okay. You are telling the world you're

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Speaker 1: okay with double digit casualties. For any time someone wants

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Speaker 1: to come to your shoot your school, and engage in

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Speaker 1: a shooting, you are telling the world you're okay with

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Speaker 1: a minimum of double digit casualties. And then he went

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Speaker 1: through the statistics on what response times are in different

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Speaker 1: parts of the country. He talked to what the data

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Speaker 1: show us, okay. This guy has studied every mass shooting

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Speaker 1: in the United States in its history for which there

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Speaker 1: is information available, and he talks about what guns are used.

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Speaker 1: He talks about the time involved when the first response arrives,

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Speaker 1: whether there was any active resistance on the scene, what

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Speaker 1: there was repons time of law enforcement was. And he

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Speaker 1: can put this down to this simple refrain that I

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Speaker 1: keep mentioning time and math. And if there's not someone

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Speaker 1: there willing and able and trained to deliver that violence

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Speaker 1: of action, that immediate arm, brutal response within the first

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds, you're accepting double digit casualties period, end of story.

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Speaker 1: And you talk about a quiet room. When I was

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Speaker 1: sitting there with all these administrators in that conference room

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Speaker 1: in the in the Indiana Convention Center, it was as

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable as silence as you've ever heard in your life,

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Speaker 1: because these were people sitting there. I mean, listen, you

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Speaker 1: hate to generalize, right, but I think if if we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about people who support the Second Amendment,

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Speaker 1: we talk about liberals versus conservatives, and going to draw

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Speaker 1: any assumptions, form any assumptions about the politics and the

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Speaker 1: people in that room, if they're school administrators, I'm guessing

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Speaker 1: they're not the most conservative group in the world, and

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Speaker 1: probably not people who are going to go out and

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Speaker 1: advocate for the presence of firearms in their school as

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Speaker 1: far as their basic inclination. Are there exceptions to that?

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Speaker 1: Of course, That's why it's always a mistake to generalize

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Speaker 1: too broadly. But based on the response sitting there in

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Speaker 1: mister Monk's guests and I turn around, I look, and

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of people staring at their shoes.

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Speaker 1: But that's what we're talking about. And listen, the shooting

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Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas. Let's go back to the specific act

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Speaker 1: of terrorism, the three acts of terrorism that have happened

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Speaker 1: since my last show, where I predicted exactly what those

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Speaker 1: acts of terrorism were going to be. I said, people

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Speaker 1: are going to attack you where there's masks. There are

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Speaker 1: masks of people gathered together in a confined place. That

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Speaker 1: was Austin. There are people going to attack you because

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Speaker 1: of who you are and what you believe. That was

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Speaker 1: our OTC class Old Tominion University in Virginia. I said,

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Speaker 1: there are people going to They're going to attack you

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Speaker 1: based on how you worship and whom you worship, and

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Speaker 1: with whom you worship and where you worship. And that

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Speaker 1: was the Temple Israel Synagogue in West Bloomfield, Michigan. And

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Speaker 1: and I'm not patting myself on the back. That's an

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Speaker 1: easy prediction, but that's exactly what's unfolded and all motivated

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Speaker 1: by radical Islam since the attack, the coordinated offensive in Iran.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk more about each of those situations. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what we're coming up. Well, we're past the quarter

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Speaker 1: hour break. Three quarter hour break. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: take a break there. We'll come back. We'll wrap up

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Speaker 1: our number one and we'll talk more about what the

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Speaker 1: legalities of those different situations are, how we can apply

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Speaker 1: that to lessons learned or to be learned here in Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Talk a little bit more about moving forward so as

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Speaker 1: to keep ourselves, our families, our loved ones, and our

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Speaker 1: communities just a little safer than they might otherwise be.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into all those things when we come back,

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Speaker 1: as well as taking your calls three one seven two

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Speaker 1: ninety three, ninety three, give us a call, Join the show.

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Speaker 1: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 1: ninety three WYBC, And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on

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Speaker 1: The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk about each of these scenarios and talk about how,

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Speaker 1: again we can use some hypotheticals, we can use some

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Speaker 1: visualization a little bit and talk about how we might

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Speaker 1: be more capable prepared to respond to similar situations here

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Speaker 1: in Indiana, and what the legalities are around each of

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Speaker 1: these situations. So let's talk about Austin, Texas first. So

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Speaker 1: these shootings happened out on the street. Apparently this guy

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Speaker 1: drove by in a quote unquote large suv a few

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Speaker 1: times and was outside a particularly popular bar there on

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Speaker 1: Sixth Street in Austin, but eventually drove by and started

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Speaker 1: shooting a handgun out the window. And listen, this shooting

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Speaker 1: went on for a while. It was not stopped. This

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Speaker 1: was right at about a minute. In fact, I saw

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Speaker 1: that the Austin police, I think appropriately we're lauding themselves

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Speaker 1: a little bit saying that they had a police response

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Speaker 1: within fifty seven seconds, so that's not thirty seconds. And

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Speaker 1: that's why you had double digit casualties, applying the logic,

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Speaker 1: in fact, the mathematical formulas that Ed Monk talks about

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Speaker 1: in his book. And then I am a big, big

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Speaker 1: fan of and believer in. But you had twenty some

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Speaker 1: people injured, you had two people murdered, I believe for

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Speaker 1: the numbers, and that's because it went well past thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: And yes, there were police present on Sixth Street to

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Speaker 1: manage the crowds. Deal with the issues you have, and

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Speaker 1: you have a large concentration of people out at nightclubs

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Speaker 1: having cocktails. But what if you're going to go out

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Speaker 1: for an evening at the clubs, You're going to go

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Speaker 1: in and hit some bars, listen to some music. First

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Speaker 1: of all here in Indiana. Let's apply this back here

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Speaker 1: to Indiana. Can you take your firearm? Well, yes, there's

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Speaker 1: no law in Indiana. Unlike many many other states, there's

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Speaker 1: no law in Indiana that says you cannot that it's

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Speaker 1: illegal to have your gun in a bar. Now is

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Speaker 1: it smart? Is it a wise decision to drink alcohol

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Speaker 1: to to the point of incapacity while you're carrying a gun? Well,

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Speaker 1: of course not, just like it's not smart to operate

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Speaker 1: a motor vehicle. And I treat the two the same.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not comfortable driving based on how many cocktails

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Speaker 1: I've had, that I'm not comfortable carrying a gun either,

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Speaker 1: which tends to influence much more how much I drink

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Speaker 1: than how much I carry. Is I'm not willing to

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Speaker 1: relinquish my Second Amendment rights? But there is no law

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Speaker 1: in Indiana that says we can't carry gun into place

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Speaker 1: alcohol or in a bar. We're in a concert venue, now,

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Speaker 1: there may be security based on the private owner or

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Speaker 1: promoter manager of that event who decides to put up

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Speaker 1: security and not allowed to carry your gun in there,

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Speaker 1: But you're not breaking a law, and so you would

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Speaker 1: have that you would have that capacity if you so

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Speaker 1: chose here in Indiana. And I think that's an important point.

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Speaker 1: And after we've had we had a couple of incidents.

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Speaker 1: There was a shooting in Fishers just a few months

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Speaker 1: ago and people were having cocktails. Who was in a bar?

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Speaker 1: I won't name the bar out of fear of getting

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Speaker 1: it wrong. I don't, I don't, I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: I want to mention bar names if I got it wrong.

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Speaker 1: I have a name in my mind, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: her percent certain, so I'll leave that unstated. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm shooting at a bar. And I got contacted by

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Speaker 1: members of the media, including Indie Star. They said, well,

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Speaker 1: guyas is there there are a law in Indiana says

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Speaker 1: you can't have a gun at the bar? And I said, no,

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Speaker 1: there's no such law. And then they said, well, shouldn't

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Speaker 1: there be? And I said absolutely not. Of course, not

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Speaker 1: if I'm on my way home after a long day

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Speaker 1: in court or a long day in the office and

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Speaker 1: I want to stop and have a beer somewhere on

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Speaker 1: my way home. I shouldn't be precluded from exercise in

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Speaker 1: my Second Amendment rights at the same time. So there

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Speaker 1: is no such law in Indiana, And applying that scenario

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Speaker 1: here in Indiana, we could have had our bar our gun.

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Speaker 1: Rather they're in that bar or just outside. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: more about the legalities of these other scenarios and continue

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Speaker 1: to show when we come back. This is Guy Relford

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Speaker 1: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC. Guy

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Speaker 1: Ralford for the Law Office is of Guy Relford. You

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Speaker 1: know one thing we do with the Law Office we

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Speaker 1: really enjoy and we do a lot of, is restore

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Speaker 1: people's gun rights. Whether that's through a restoration of right

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Speaker 1: petition in some circumstances, sometimes it could be through expungement.

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Speaker 1: Depends on the circumstances and why someone may have lost

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Speaker 1: their Second Amendment rights. But if that applies to you

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Speaker 1: or a friend, a loved one, let us know if

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Speaker 1: we can help you. We'll review your circumstances, let you

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Speaker 1: know what options are available and take that forward to

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Speaker 1: restore your rights if it's at all possible. Just let

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Speaker 1: us know you can contact us through the website. It's

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Speaker 1: Relfredlaw dot com. That's Relfred Law dot com. And welcome

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Speaker 1: back for our number two of the Gun Guys Show

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Speaker 1: here on ninety three WIBC. We're thrilled you're with us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to celebrity guest producer Kylon Tally who's here

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Speaker 1: with us and keeping things going in the in the

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Speaker 1: in the production booth and I Shall always has a

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Speaker 1: fabulous job and we're thrilled that she's here. Let's get

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Speaker 1: back and talking about these three acts of terrorism. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question that's what these are.

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Speaker 1: I think the facts are inescapable. As much as authorities

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Speaker 1: for those on the left want to ignore that fact,

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Speaker 1: some of these facts simply indisputable, including the fact that

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Speaker 1: a person who had previously been convicted of the felony

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Speaker 1: of providing material support to ISIS, who could have been

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Speaker 1: sentenced to twenty years by the way for supporting a

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Speaker 1: terrorist organization, was let out in substantially less then was

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Speaker 1: able to illegally carry a gun by the way, he

648
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Speaker 1: bought a gun from a private individual. The private individual

649
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Speaker 1: is now being prosecuted for illegally selling a gun to

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Speaker 1: this guy. So there are a lot of laws being

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Speaker 1: broken here. He's got a felony conviction, so he's a

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Speaker 1: prohibitive possessor. He can't possess a gun. The guy that

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Speaker 1: sold him the gun illegally sold him the gun. The

654
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Speaker 1: guy who obtained the gun and then sold it to

655
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Speaker 1: this terrorist obtained that gun by providing false information presumably

656
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Speaker 1: to an FFL, a gun dealer, a federal firearms licensee,

657
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Speaker 1: because he's being prosecuted for exactly that, providing false information

658
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Speaker 1: as part of a gun purchase, and for providing this

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Speaker 1: gun then to this guy with a felony conviction. Guy

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Speaker 1: with felony convision then takes the gun onto a college campus,

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Speaker 1: which is I understand it, and I am the farthest

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Speaker 1: thing from a Virginia lawyer, but as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: it's illegal to do in Virginia. Then walks into a classroom,

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Speaker 1: an ROTC classroom that's being conducted by taught by a

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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Brandon Shaw, a hero, a combat veteran who

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Speaker 1: survived multiple, multiple combat deployments, and then, as heartbreaking as

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Speaker 1: it is, was gunned down in his own classroom, having

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Speaker 1: survived a rock and otheritary deployments combat deployments, but Shier

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Speaker 1: walks in confirms that it's an ROTC class. Then heels

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Speaker 1: a lahu akbar God is Great and opens fire, kills

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Speaker 1: the instructor, wounds two other people, and then the ROTC

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Speaker 1: students took this guy down. Reports are one of the

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Speaker 1: students at least had a knife. Now I'm being told,

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Speaker 1: I've seen it reported. I have not confirmed this. I've

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Speaker 1: not done the legal research. I'm being told even having

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Speaker 1: that knife was illegal in a college classroom on a

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Speaker 1: college campus in Virginia. I do not know that for

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Speaker 1: a fact. I have not confirmed it. I've seen it

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Speaker 1: report it that way. So having defied that law, at

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Speaker 1: least presumably based on what I've seen, someone had the capacity,

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Speaker 1: someone had the willingness. Somebody took on a shooter with

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Speaker 1: a knife and one and that's damned Impressiveerson is a

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Speaker 1: hero just exactly like the many other heroes we talk

684
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Speaker 1: about here on The Gun Guy Show, and save many

685
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Speaker 1: many lives, There's no doubt about it. And also was

686
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Speaker 1: also was willing and had the capacity to engage in

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Speaker 1: that ruthless violence of action immediately when a threat unfolded

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Speaker 1: and because of that, many, many, many more people are

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Speaker 1: alive on the campus of Old Dominion. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about legalities again. Let's apply it back here to Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Is it illegal to have a gun on a college

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Speaker 1: campus in Indiana? The answer is no. We have a

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Speaker 1: Gun Free School Zones Act in Indiana and there is

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Speaker 1: a federal Gun Free School Zones Act. Those each apply

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Speaker 1: to K through twelve and licensed daycares that is, daycare

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Speaker 1: licensed by the state, so they do not apply to

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Speaker 1: college campuses here in Indiana. College campuses have the ability

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Speaker 1: to set what other policy they want their university. They

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Speaker 1: operated they want to have a no gun policy, they

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Speaker 1: can have a no gun policy. They can't make it

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Speaker 1: against the law to have a gun on a college campus,

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Speaker 1: but they can set policy. So what does that mean.

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Speaker 1: That means if you violate that policy and you're a student,

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Speaker 1: you can be expelled or otherwise disciplined. If you're a

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Speaker 1: staff member, you can be fired or otherwise disciplined. If

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Speaker 1: you're a visitor, you can be asked to leave. If

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Speaker 1: you leave, no harm, no foul. If you refuse, then

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Speaker 1: you can be arrested for trespassing. But you're breaking no

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Speaker 1: law by violating by violating a policy of a university

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Speaker 1: campus or university administration. Now, I've had a heartbreaking situations happen.

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Speaker 1: I had one here recently, I believe I've mentioned on

712
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Speaker 1: the show before. I talk about it fairly often because

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Speaker 1: it was truly heartbreaking. But I had a kid call

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Speaker 1: me at the office and he wanted to know if

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Speaker 1: there was any thing he could do because he was

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Speaker 1: a student here in Indianapolis at then IUPUY and he

717
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Speaker 1: had his car stolen. As heartbreaking as that was by itself,

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Speaker 1: he had his car stolen out of the student parking garage,

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Speaker 1: one of the garages there on the IPY campus. He

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Speaker 1: calls the campus police to report his car stolen, and

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Speaker 1: being a good citizen and wanting the police to have

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Speaker 1: all the information that he could possibly provide, he also

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Speaker 1: volunteered the fact that there was a gun in the

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Speaker 1: console of his car, so that since the car was stolen,

725
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Speaker 1: his gun was stolen too. And he said, Hey, I've

726
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Speaker 1: got to make a model and serial number, and I

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Speaker 1: want to relay this to you law enforcement, so that

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Speaker 1: you know this gun is stolen if you encounter it

729
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Speaker 1: or if you're able to recover it. Campus police then

730
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Speaker 1: report this kid to the administration. He then gets a

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Speaker 1: letter in the mail saying that he's being expelled, not suspended,

732
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Speaker 1: expelled from college. And he was my recollection, is two

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Speaker 1: or three weeks away from graduation, had already been accepted

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Speaker 1: into graduate school, was an excellent student, had his whole

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Speaker 1: career laid out before him, had already been accepted to

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Speaker 1: graduate school. And he's being expelled before finals his senior

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Speaker 1: year because he self reported that there was a gun

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Speaker 1: in his car that was stolen out of a campus garage.

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Speaker 1: And this kid's calling me, Rob, I'm the two a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: He wants to know if there's something he can do.

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Speaker 3: Is there?

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Speaker 1: He asked me, Can they do that? Can they really

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Speaker 1: expel me? Don't I have any legal options here? And

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Speaker 1: as heartbreaking as it was, I had to tell him

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Speaker 1: and no, Unfortunately, they can sell whatever policy they want,

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Speaker 1: including a no gun policy, and yes they can enforce

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Speaker 1: it through something as severe as expulsion. And the kid

748
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Speaker 1: was in tears right there on the phone, and I

749
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Speaker 1: was getting a little misty myself because it broke my

750
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Speaker 1: heart to tell him that. So I don't make light

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Speaker 1: of the severity of the consequences if someone decides to

752
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Speaker 1: violate the policy of a particular universities, particularly as a

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Speaker 1: student or a staff member who can be fired fired

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Speaker 1: for cause. Now, having said that, have I, as a visitor,

755
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Speaker 1: ever possessed a gun on a college campus?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: My, yes, of course I have. Many times I've been

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Speaker 1: asked to come in as a guest lecturer, to come

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Speaker 1: in and and and give give a talk to a

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Speaker 1: student organization or whatever it might be. That's been pretty

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Speaker 1: few and far between. That's been somewhat rare, since there

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Speaker 1: aren't a lot of folks on college campuses who want

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Speaker 1: to hear from me. But when it's happened, and if

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Speaker 1: I carried my gun, of course, I don't have to

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Speaker 1: go through a metal detector. I'll carry my gun. At

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Speaker 1: one point, somebody even asked me, so, you're going to

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Speaker 1: carry your gun onto the such campus. I well, of

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Speaker 1: course I am. You know, if they catch you, they

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Speaker 1: kick you off. I go, okay, they kicked me off campus.

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Speaker 1: I guess they're not getting their lecture, or they're not

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Speaker 1: getting their guests, their their guest instructor that I've been

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Speaker 1: invited to come in and teach. So okay, well, we'll

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Speaker 1: go that direction because I'm not willing to relinquish my

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment rights just because I'm on a college campus.

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Speaker 1: So that that's how that applies. And again I do

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Speaker 1: not make light of how severe it is. If you

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Speaker 1: know you're to tell your kid, hey, you know what,

778
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Speaker 1: I'm more concerned about your safety. And here's where I

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Speaker 1: stru I mean, when my daughter went off to school.

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Speaker 1: I hear my baby girls going off to go to school,

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Speaker 1: and she's she's going to be out of town, she's

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Speaker 1: going to be on her own. She'll be walking across

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Speaker 1: campus at veryarious times of day and night. She'd been

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Speaker 1: through my firearms classes as a hell of a great shot,

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Speaker 1: a fabulous shot. She rocked it. She came and took

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Speaker 1: my basic pistol and my personal protection courses both inside

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Speaker 1: the home and outside the home, and she rocked it.

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Speaker 1: And would I prefer her to have a gun on

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Speaker 1: a college campus then not have one? You bet you would.

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Speaker 1: I want her to call me and say, hey, Dad,

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Speaker 1: that ten grand you just spent on tuition This semester

792
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Speaker 1: of this year just went down the drain because I

793
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Speaker 1: got caught with my gun and I've been expelled. I

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Speaker 1: would prefer not to get that call. But that's a

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Speaker 1: balancing that we can all go through ourselves. We can

796
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: all weigh those risks and benefits and decide how we

797
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: want that to come out. And again, I don't make

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Speaker 1: light about anybody getting expelled or fired, but that's where

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Speaker 1: we are on college campuses. Let's take a break here,

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Speaker 1: we'll come back. We'll talk more of lessons learned and

801
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: talk more about the reaction to the shooting at Old Dominion,

802
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: including what the local prosecutor is saying about that shooting. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is Virginia that just went completely blue in both

804
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: the House and their Senate what they call their House

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Speaker 1: of Delegates and their Senate and the governor's office in

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00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: Virginia are all Democrats. Now they're passing gun law after

807
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: gun law after gun law. There is nothing about the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment that they don't want to infringe there in Virginia.

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Speaker 1: And apparently this prosecutor not only a Democrat, but backed

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Speaker 1: by George Sorows, as it's been reported at least on

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Speaker 1: social media, he has some things to say that I

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Speaker 1: would say are shocking, except given the source and given

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Speaker 1: what we've heard from similar people in similar circumstances. Certainly

814
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Speaker 1: can't say you're shocked in particular. We may even have

815
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Speaker 1: to say it's expected, but so incredibly knuckleheaded that it

816
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: bears some discussion. We'll be back with that as well

817
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Speaker 1: as your calls. You want to join the discussion, give

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Speaker 1: us a call. Three one seven two three nine ninety

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Speaker 1: three ninety three. That's three one seven nine ninety three

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Speaker 1: ninety three, says Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three WIBC. And welcome back. I'm Guy Relford

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Speaker 1: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC. So,

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Speaker 1: by the way, is there any legislation that would help

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Speaker 1: on this scenario that I described in Indiana where while

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Speaker 1: there is no law that says you're committing a crime

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Speaker 1: by carrying a gun on a college campus, college campuses

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Speaker 1: are free to expel you, or fire you, or kick

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Speaker 1: you off campus if you violate. There no gun policy. Well,

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Speaker 1: there certainly is. In fact, we've seen what a lot

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Speaker 1: of us call campus carry introduced in more than one

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Speaker 1: session here in Indiana. What does campus Carrie say, Well,

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Speaker 1: what it says is is that if a university receives

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Speaker 1: state funding, which by definition would apply to all the

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Speaker 1: state universities, right, and which needn't necessarily all. There are

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Speaker 1: some that are purely private, but I don't know. There's

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Speaker 1: something I've not studied is how purely private some schools are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I went to DePaul University, right, would consider

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Speaker 1: to be a private school, not a state school. Does

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Speaker 1: the paw receive any money from the State of Indiana?

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Speaker 1: I do not know, even as a private school. I

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Speaker 1: know a lot of schools receive federal money through grants

842
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Speaker 1: and whatnot, but this applied to state funded schools. So

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Speaker 1: at a minimum would apply to the state schools Indiana, Purdue,

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Speaker 1: Indiana State, et cetera, et cetera. And that would cover

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Speaker 1: an awful lot of students and the biggest campuses here

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Speaker 1: in Indiana. And what Campus Carrey says is that if

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Speaker 1: you are a university or a college that receive state funds,

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Speaker 1: you cannot prohibit otherwise eligible people from carrying a gun

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Speaker 1: on campus. If a person could legally possess a gun,

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Speaker 1: you can't tell them they can't have a gun. You

851
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Speaker 1: can't have a policy that prevents them from having a

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Speaker 1: gun on your college campus. And that bill introduced here

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Speaker 1: in Indiana has not gone anywhere. It has not gotten

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Speaker 1: out of committee. Even so, it hasn't gotten to vote.

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Speaker 1: Have we seen that pass in other states? Yes? And

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Speaker 1: while I would not trade our gun laws with Texas's

857
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Speaker 1: gun laws in any way, shape or form, because our

858
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Speaker 1: laws are better than Texas's, one thing Texas got right

859
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: as I was reading about here a few years ago.

860
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: Whilst I'm confusing my states, I'm pretty certain this is accurate.

861
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: Texas passed a campus carry bill. And there were professors

862
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: at some of their big universities, like in Austin, by

863
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: the way, very liberal enclave within the state of Texas,

864
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: who were doing all kinds of protesting. And there are

865
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: all these lamentations coming from these folks. Oh my god.

866
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: You know, I give a student a C minus, he's

867
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: going to come back and shoot me in my classroom

868
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: because we have campus carry, the idiocy of which, by

869
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: the way, is pointed out by the fact that if

870
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Speaker 1: someone is inclined to murder, you commit the crime for

871
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 1: which they can you know, go to prison for o say,

872
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: life or fifty or sixty years, They're probably not going

873
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: to worry about getting expelled by violating your damn policy.

874
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: That's why so Oh, well, we're going to do We're

875
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: going to do away with our ability to have a

876
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: no gun policy. Well, my gosh, that's going to dramatically

877
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: increase violence on campus. How does that hold together? Logically?

878
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: Guys not afraid of dying in a shootout with police,

879
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: We're not afraid of life in prison or the death

880
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: penalty for murder. But they're going to be influenced about

881
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: a policy the results of which could get them expelled.

882
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: Come on, how stupid are you? But some states have

883
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: passed this and it's only a handful, And is any

884
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: reason why Indiana should not be one of those states?

885
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Have you seen the statistics? This is something

886
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: that gets your attention. You have any child, but most

887
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: certainly a daughter, as I have had. She's older, now,

888
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: she's out, she's graduated, and she has a very successful career.

889
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: But having sent a daughter off to school in particular,

890
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: have you seen the statistics on the crime that happens

891
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: on college campuses. Have you seen the numbers of the

892
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: percentage of college women who are the victims of sexual attacks,

893
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: of rape in particular on college campuses. It's abhorrent and

894
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: it's widespread, and you don't hear a lot of news

895
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: and it gets suppressed, I think more often than not.

896
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: But it is, it is rampant, the victims of sexual

897
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: assault in particular, but other violent crimes, kidnappings and murders

898
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: and stabbings and attacks. When I want my kid going

899
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: after school, particularly when they're trained and capable, would I

900
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: want that person to have the capacity to defend themselves

901
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: as they're walking across campus at midnight after having studied

902
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: in the library for their final the next morning. Guess

903
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: of course, that's why campus carry can make a big difference.

904
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, nobody's breaking a law, So you

905
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: get to balance those priorities for yourself as a parent,

906
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: or as a student, or as an administrator or faculty member,

907
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: of where your priorities lie. But having looked at all

908
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: this in the context of Old Dominion University and the

909
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: shooting that happened out there, you have a local prosecutor

910
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: and being reported all over social media. I've not independently

911
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: verified this. This guy is funded by George Soros. Is

912
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: one of these liberal prosecutors whose priorities are completely out

913
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: of whack? Is this guy looking at how soon this

914
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: shooter was let out of prison. He could have been

915
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: sent to twenty years and did something more like eight

916
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: or nine. He got credit for taking like a drug

917
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: rehabilitation course while he was in prison, so we got

918
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: out a year earlier than normal. And listen, I'm all

919
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: for rehabilitation and giving people the education and training the

920
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: wherewithal to come out of prison and lead successful lives.

921
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: But here this guy was in prison for what providing

922
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: material support to isis. And as a prosecutor, looking at

923
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: and how this guy got his gun, which was illegal,

924
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: by the way, is it legal for him to attain

925
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: it was legal for the guy to sell it to him,

926
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Speaker 1: and the guy who sold it to him is being prosecuted.

927
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: Is that where the where the priorities of this prosecutor were? Oh,

928
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: hell no, give a listen to this.

929
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 4: A national sickness. We live in a country where people

930
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 4: care more about guns than they care about six year

931
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 4: old children. They care more about guns than they care

932
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 4: about synagogue worshipers, and they care more about guns than

933
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 4: they do about college students. What that means is that

934
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 4: it does not matter how hard present pampill works, how

935
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 4: hard the chiefs work, somebody will be a victim eventually,

936
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 4: it is a matter of time and until there is

937
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 4: the political will to break the spell of the cult

938
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 4: of gun absolutism, you will see more incidents like this.

939
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 4: So if you are looking for somebody to blame, don't

940
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 4: look at anybody up here. Look at our lawmakers who

941
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 4: don't have the courage to implement sensible gun control measures.

942
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 4: Look to a Supreme court that enables them and do

943
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 4: something about it.

944
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 3: That is the lesson.

945
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 4: Let's warn the people who have died. Let's decry what

946
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 4: has happened, but let's keep the focus where it belongs.

947
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 4: It belongs on us and having to change something so

948
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 4: that we don't have to suffer through this.

949
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: So that's prosecutor, and I may torture this pronunciation, but

950
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: it's Ramin Fatahi. And I won't speculate as to his

951
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: background or anything other than what we just heard from him.

952
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: But he talks about the cult of gun absolutism as

953
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: being the reason we had this shooting at Old Dominion University.

954
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: Let's just break that down a little bit. You know,

955
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: he talks about a legislature that refuses to do anything

956
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: about this and a Supreme Court that enables this cult

957
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: of gun absolutism. I may have a new tattoo in

958
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: my mind now because now I think about it, something

959
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: about gun absolutism. Do I believe the Second Amendment says

960
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: what it says? Am? I pretty absolute in my belief

961
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: that the right to keep the bare arms should be protected. Yeah,

962
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: I'll say that falls into the category of absolutism, and

963
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: I don't consider that a criticism. So what this guy

964
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: is saying is that because we don't have more gun

965
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: laws in place, then the shooting in at Old Dominion

966
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: University occurred. A legislature could have prevented this, but for

967
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: this horrible cult of gun absolutism. So okay, hold on,

968
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: in Virginia, it was illegal to have a gun there

969
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: on the campus. The gun, as I understand it, was

970
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: a twenty two pistol, So you're not talking about the

971
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: dreaded assault weapon quote unquote, and it wouldn't have much

972
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: mattered anyway what firearms involved. But the guy's already breaking

973
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: the law. He's breaking allow to have a gun there.

974
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: He broke a law to obtain the gun. The guy

975
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: who sold him the gun broke a law. And last

976
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: time I checked murders against the law, so you've got

977
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: a whole long list of laws this guy violated to

978
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: obtain this gun and to commit this crime. And his prosecutor,

979
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: he's a prosecutor, so by definition, he's a lawyer with

980
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: some training and education in the law and some training

981
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: in education in the year of law enforcement. Because he's

982
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: a prosecutor.

983
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 3: And with that.

984
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: Background, wants you to believe that another law or two

985
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: or twelve would have prevented this shooting at Old Dominion University.

986
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: Tell me how that works. What's the one incremental law?

987
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: This is where it always breaks down. So this guy

988
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: violated in his listom all the laws, including the one

989
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: who gets murder. Tell me what's the one additional law

990
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: that hadn't been in place would have prevented this guy

991
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: from committed this crime. This guy about to go commit

992
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: an atrocity, in all likelihood die in the process. That's

993
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: what most mass shooters, that's part of their plan. They're

994
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: going to die, to eat their own bullet. They're going

995
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: to die and to shootout with police. Their plan is

996
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: to kill as many people as possible and then die.

997
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: What law is going to put so much fear into

998
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: them that they'll comply with that one additional incremental law.

999
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: I want to know what that law is, and I

1000
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: want to know what the logic is behind the idea

1001
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: that someone willing to commit an atrocity commit murder and

1002
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: die in the process, or if they don't die, spend

1003
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: the rest of their living days in prison. What's the

1004
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: one additional law they're suddenly going to want to comply with.

1005
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: Somebody explained that to me. That's where it always falls apart.

1006
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: It always fails. It's standing on the back of shooting

1007
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: victims in order to promote your political agenda. You want

1008
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: to disarm law abiding citizens. You want to disarm the

1009
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: population so only the government has guns. That's your ultimate goal.

1010
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: That's your agenda. And you don't mind standing on the

1011
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: on the backs of a dead heroic professor or wounded

1012
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: students or other victims of violent crimes, including mass shootings,

1013
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: in order to promote your political agenda. That's the way

1014
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: this breaks down. It's inescapable, it's unavoidable, and it's indisputable.

1015
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: And this guy is exhibit A with that where a

1016
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: little past the bottom of the arrow is take a break.

1017
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: We'll be back to continue The Gun Guy Show on

1018
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: ninety three WIBC, and welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on

1019
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: the Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC. And I'll

1020
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: say we've had a couple of callers. Let's go to

1021
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: the phone lines, and Kevin, I believe, has a question.

1022
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Will I'm to the Gun Guy Show.

1023
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for the forum. I appreciate all that you

1024
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 3: do here on the radio.

1025
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you.

1026
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have two pistols I want to ask ownership questions.

1027
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: Okay to you.

1028
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: The first one my father brought back from World War Two.

1029
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 3: It's a ratum Polish pistol, and when I was a child,

1030
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 3: he sold it to a friend of his in Michigan.

1031
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 3: And when my father passed away, that friend in Michigan

1032
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 3: gave it to me. So I have a Michigan registration

1033
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 3: for it. But I wondered, you know, I've heard, you

1034
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 3: know the story of police confiscating your weapon. If you

1035
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 3: don't have an ownership paper or a path, what do

1036
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 3: I do about that?

1037
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1038
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: No, I mean and listen, I can't speak for every

1039
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: law enforcement officer out there, Kevin, but there's no basis,

1040
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: no legal basis in Indiana for a law enforcement officer

1041
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: to seize a gun because you don't have some form

1042
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,479
Speaker 1: of quote unquote registration or other proof of ownership. Now,

1043
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: what does happen is if a gun gets seized by

1044
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: law enforcement, and Marion County is notorious for this. If

1045
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: your gun goes into the property room at Marion County

1046
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: and you don't have proof of ownership to try to

1047
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: get it out, so you know you're a victim of

1048
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: a crime, the gun gets stolen, or you get arrested

1049
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: for some totally unrelated crime like a misdemeanor. OWI driving

1050
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: home after having some cocktails and your gun gets confiscated

1051
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: because your car got impounded, then in Mary County getting

1052
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: that gun back out of the property room is next

1053
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: to impossible. But if law enforcement, let's say you use

1054
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: that gun in a self defense shooting, but you can't

1055
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: provide any proof of ownership or whatnot unless it comes

1056
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: up stolen on a database somewhere, then there's no basis

1057
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: for law enforcement officer to take that gun away from it. So,

1058
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: and we don't have gun registration in Indiana, so that's

1059
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: not anything I would be at all concerned about. In fact,

1060
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Speaker 1: if it's that old, he may not even have a

1061
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: serial number on it. That you could register, or your

1062
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: dad may have had it serial eye so he could

1063
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Speaker 1: get it registered in Michigan. If I had to guess,

1064
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: this may have even happened too. But I think you

1065
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: had another question about ownership.

1066
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bought a hoarder's house and after closing, I

1067
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 3: gave the guy thirty days to vacate everything in the

1068
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 3: house that he wanted, got him a dumpster. The whole bit.

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Speaker 3: He vacated most of it, took most of the possessions,

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Speaker 3: but in the hoarde was a brand new nine millimeter

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Speaker 3: pistol in the case cosmoline when the wrapper had been

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Speaker 3: fired a number of times at the factory with the target.

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Speaker 3: So that's in my possession now Again, is there an

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Speaker 3: ownership issue with this or do I need to worry

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Speaker 3: about it now?

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Speaker 1: The only thing I'd be somewhat I'm about worried, But

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Speaker 1: what I'd be curious about is just making sure it's

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Speaker 1: not stolen. And the only thing you can do there

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Speaker 1: unless you have a buddy who's a cop who's willing

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Speaker 1: to access the stolen gun database that's typically only available

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Speaker 1: to law enforcement, And in fact, he may he or

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Speaker 1: she may have to violate some protocols in order to

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Speaker 1: even do it as a favor. But the only other

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Speaker 1: thing we can do, we can go there's a database

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Speaker 1: out there. It's called hot Guns Guns with a Z

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Speaker 1: hotguns dot com, and that is a website that's dependent

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Speaker 1: upon people voluntarily going on that on that website and

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Speaker 1: entering in the make, model, and serial number of their

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Speaker 1: gun that's stolen. And so it's garbage in, garbage out.

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Speaker 1: If it's not reported, it doesn't go into that database,

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01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: and never don doesn't show up. But absent that, you know,

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Speaker 1: some small concern that the gun might be stolen just

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Speaker 1: because you don't know the pedigree on it. Other than that,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry too much about it. If I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you have a document that says that you legally obtained

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Speaker 1: ownership of everything left in that gun in that house,

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Speaker 1: I should say, and you know the gun being one

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Speaker 1: of those items. And no, I mean and Indiana allows

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Speaker 1: you to possess or carry any gun that's lawfully owned,

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be at all concerned about that. The

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Speaker 1: one thing that is done if a police encounter a gun,

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Speaker 1: or they take a gun in a lot of times,

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01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: they run it. Not only they run the serial number

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01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: to make sure it's not stolen, but they'll run ballistics

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01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: on it, and that means they test fire it. They

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Speaker 1: recover the projectile, they recover the shellcasing from a semi automatic,

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Speaker 1: and they'll take very high, highly magnified pictures of that

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01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: and ren those markings on the bullet, the test fired bullet,

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01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: as well as the shellcasing, looking for extractor marks and

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Speaker 1: ejector marks, and see if they can match those items,

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01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: either a bullet or the showcasing to a gun that

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01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: may have been used in a kron And ask something again,

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01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: would I be worried about that? Particularly especially a gun

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01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: that's been well cared for. You said it's still packed,

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01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: you know, in Cosmoline and being taken care of. That

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01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't be real high on my list of concerns, But

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01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: it's another possibility out there. And I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Kevin for calling in. Less is still on

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01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: the phone. We'll go quickly to Less when we come

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Speaker 1: back from this break. I'll tell you it. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and do that now before we go into this break. Less,

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Speaker 1: I think you had a comment you wanted to lend

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, in Iran in the last few weeks there, I've

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Speaker 5: heard as many as thirty thousand people were murdered by

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Speaker 5: the Iranian National Guard or whatever they call themselves or

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 5: some of their militia people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the RRGC Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, the thirty thousand people that they murdered, they were

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Speaker 6: not allowed to have guns.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a hell of a lesson, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And those thirty thousand people are dead now and

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01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 6: they couldn't they All they could do is go out

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Speaker 6: in protest. And because they tried to protest.

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Speaker 3: They were murdered.

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Speaker 6: But they were not allowed to have guns. And that's

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Speaker 6: what this guy is prosecutors talking about, wants. He doesn't

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01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 6: care about how many laws he passes. He wants one

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Speaker 6: law that says you cannot have any guns ever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, you couldn't be more right less. And I

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01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: agree with you one hundred percent. But any of us

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Speaker 1: who opposed that or what are we? We're part of

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01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: the cult of gun absolutism. I man, I've seen t

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01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: shirts being printed up with cult of gun absolutism. I

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01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: think I'm going to adopt that and have some fun

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Speaker 1: with it. In the meantime, let's take a break and

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Speaker 1: come back to wrap up this edition of The Gun

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Speaker 1: Guy Show here on ninety three WIBC, and welcome back

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01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: for the last segment of this evening's The Gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 1: So let's shift focus and talk here at the end

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Speaker 1: of the show a little bit about shooting at Temple

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01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: Israel in West Bloomfield, Michigan. Is a suburb of Detroit

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01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: and a nice suburb. There's up the Bloomfield Hills is

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01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: up there. I've been there many times. And Temple Israel

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Speaker 1: is evidently one of the largest synagogues with the largest congregation,

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01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: one of the largest up there in the state. And

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Speaker 1: this person chose to attack Jews who are there and

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Speaker 1: are worshiping. And by the way, the scary thing about

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Speaker 1: this is there are reportedly somewhere around one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty school kids who were there for a quote unquote

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01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: early learning session who were there at the Temple Israel

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Speaker 1: when this person, motivated clearly by hate, motivated very apparently

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Speaker 1: by belief in radical Islam, decided to drive his car

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Speaker 1: his vehicle into the temple down a hallway, crashed the vehicle,

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Speaker 1: then was confronted almost immediately by armed security at the

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Speaker 1: synagogue and was neutralized. One security guard doing his job

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Speaker 1: was apparently hit by the vehicle and knocked unconscious, was

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Speaker 1: the report I saw. But other armed security there engaged

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Speaker 1: this guy and he's dead. What do we say, What

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Speaker 1: do we say about the lessons learned from other mass shootings?

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Speaker 1: First thirty seconds? You want to limit the casualties. First

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds. This was apparently faster than that, and you

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Speaker 1: had armed security. So what did you have exactly what

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01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 1: we've been talking about. You had security there with the wherewithal,

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01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: with the capability, the training, the equipment, and the mindset

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01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: willing to put themselves in harms way, engage a threat,

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Speaker 1: neutralize that threat before bad things happen. And as a result,

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Speaker 1: you had what one hundred and fifty school kids who

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01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: are safe today. You had other staff members, you had

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Speaker 1: people there worshiping, You had anybody else in the building

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: who are safe. They're going to go home and sleep

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Speaker 1: in their own beds. This guy apparently had had family

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01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: members killed in Lebanon in Israeli strikes just recently. You

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Speaker 1: don't think he was motivated by hatred of Judaism and

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01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 1: Jews and Israel Well, of course he was. And that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what I've been talking about. It is precisely what

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Speaker 1: I've been talking about. But this synagogue, like many houses

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Speaker 1: of worship, have the incredible wisdom and foresight to have

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Speaker 1: armed security. Would I have a synagogue today that did

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Speaker 1: not have armed security. Absolutely not. And listen, what if

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01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: you make the decision, you want to make the decision

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Speaker 1: to protect yourself and your family when you go to worship,

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Speaker 1: whether that's a synagogue, a temple, a mosque, a church,

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Speaker 1: whatever it might be, do you have the ability to

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Speaker 1: defend yourself and your family and your fellow worshippers at

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Speaker 1: the time you go. Yes. Since twenty nineteen in Indiana, listen,

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Speaker 1: there's never been a law says you can't have a

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Speaker 1: gun in a church in Indiana or a house of worship,

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Speaker 1: whether that's a synagogue or otherwise. There's never been a

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Speaker 1: law that says that. But there's been a law that

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01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: says you can't have a gun on school property, and

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Speaker 1: school properties defined as any property that's co owned or

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Speaker 1: on the same real estate with a school. How many

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Speaker 1: how many Catholic churches have a parchial school on the

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01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: same grounds. What about all of them. How many other

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Speaker 1: trihaluses of worship have a school or a licensed daycare

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Speaker 1: on the same property or in the same building most

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Speaker 1: of them. In twenty nineteen, we went to the legislature

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Speaker 1: and said, listen, we need to create an exception. If

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Speaker 1: you're attending a worship service or a religious ceremony, or

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01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 1: if you're performing your job as a volunteer or an

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01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: employee of that house of worship, you should be able

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Speaker 1: to carry a gun in that house of worship during

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Speaker 1: that religious ceremony you're while performing your duties, notwithstanding the

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Speaker 1: fact that a house of worship is considered school property.

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Speaker 1: We passed that right here in Indiana in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: meaning you and I have the legal ability to carry

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Speaker 1: a gun to defend ourselves and our fellow worshippers. That's

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Speaker 1: a big change, that's a big improvement. And with that,

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Speaker 1: we're at the end of this week's The Gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed it and hope you come back. I

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Speaker 1: always remember, shoot straight and always be safe. This is

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Speaker 1: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.