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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Best of the Fan morning show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five. The

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Speaker 1: fan voice of the Boilers, Rob Blackman, going to join

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Speaker 1: us here in ninety minutes. It'll be a relatively quick

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Speaker 1: turnaround travel wise here for Perdue, I assume they'll depart

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Speaker 1: Tuesday out west. There again, they've got San Jose as

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Speaker 1: their next region stop as they go out west, so

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Speaker 1: it'll be them in Texas seven to ten. For new fans.

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Speaker 1: Last year you had to wait till what ten point

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Speaker 1: thirty for purdueing Houston to tip off. I felt like

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Speaker 1: from Lucas Oil Stadium, you'll be the first game on

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, no lead in, so you'll start on time

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Speaker 1: seven to ten. That'll be CBS and you will take

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Speaker 1: on the Texas Longhorns and the winner will get Arizona

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Speaker 1: and Arkansas boy Darius A. Cuff I was a pretty

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Speaker 1: wise pick James Board in the old playerpool by you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been playing great basketball. I'm not a lick

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Speaker 2: of defense, but I don't care in this I need offense.

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Speaker 1: Well, he certainly brings it. The other freshman guard they've got,

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Speaker 1: was it Thomas Mkheil. Thomas I think it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he can really go as well, So that'd be a

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Speaker 1: great one, great great one here coming up on the

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Speaker 1: leak Thomas Thursday night for the West Region San Jose

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Speaker 1: out there, Perdue heading to the Sweet sixteen the third

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Speaker 1: straight year. Again, I couldn't believe. I was listening on

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Speaker 1: the way in when they said it was the first

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Speaker 1: time that Perdue Is won a tournament game trailing at

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Speaker 1: halftime and they only down two. I just thought that CJ.

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Speaker 1: The CJ. Cox flurry. There, all three of those threes

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Speaker 1: all from around the arc there, you know, you brought

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Speaker 1: up the step back going to his left. I thought

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Speaker 1: the one he hit in front of Miami's bench then

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Speaker 1: I think that might have been the third one. It

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Speaker 1: was also huge. And again I don't really know if

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Speaker 1: there's like numbers like quantify it, James, but it just

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Speaker 1: seems like when so many times the season, the Northwestern

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Speaker 1: game stands out to me the most whenever Perdue just

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Speaker 1: kind of needs that, call me bucket. It's him more

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Speaker 1: than anybody else that just hits that shot. And maybe

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Speaker 1: it's because you kind of forget about him and he does.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's not the frontline guy. From a statistical standpoint,

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Speaker 1: so maybe you notice it a little bit more. But

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Speaker 1: without that end of the first half there, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if we're talking about purduing the Sweet sixteen for

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Speaker 1: a seventh time in nine years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were flirting with disaster there, I thought, during

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Speaker 2: that stretch, and he gets a couple of socks to

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Speaker 2: bail you out, and then you know, you tie the game,

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Speaker 2: because I believe his last three tied the game. They

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Speaker 2: give up a running layup at the end of the half,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, is that you know, a little

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Speaker 2: bit of another punch to the gut. But I thought

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Speaker 2: they did a really good job also when it came

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Speaker 2: to slowing down league renew And I know i U

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Speaker 2: fans will probably trolled me in all of that, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, he'd be a mid part of Miami this year,

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Speaker 2: and he didn't look like I thought he could finish

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Speaker 2: around the basket man. He missed a bunch of bunnies

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Speaker 2: in the first half, and then the decision making in

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Speaker 2: the second half. I didn't love, but all I did

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Speaker 2: love this, kayleb. Did you see what Maligue did after

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I didn't. I don't think I did.

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Speaker 1: So now you almost need to show Caleb Zuver the

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Speaker 1: picture first, because I'll be honest, when I saw a

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Speaker 1: couple of the pictures, I thought, in today's day and age,

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Speaker 1: I was getting duped. I thought it was photoshoped.

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Speaker 2: AI.

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Speaker 1: So just to set this up before James shows Caleb

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Speaker 1: these pictures, you know they are that site for Purdue

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Speaker 1: was in Saint Louis, right, yes, so the second game

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Speaker 1: in Saint Louis, correct if I'm wrong, that was Kentucky

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Speaker 1: and Iowa State. I believe it was the second game yesterday,

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Speaker 1: So you have obviously perdue taking on Miami in the

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Speaker 1: first game, and then of course you have fans that

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Speaker 1: they're just there for Kentucky in Iowa State. So James,

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Speaker 1: I first saw it, I thought one thousand percent that

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Speaker 1: here to show Caleb Zuver what these these pictures? Now,

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Speaker 1: I want to be very clear there is no hating

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Speaker 1: on maleik renewed from me right here. Caleb zever, you

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Speaker 4: What he's in line at the pizza place concession on

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Speaker 1: He's one of us, one of us.

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Speaker 2: Now he went and got a chicken tinner basket.

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Speaker 1: Now he's in line, Caleb, what's he rocking is jersey?

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Speaker 1: He's full uniform.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think he changed his shoes.

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Speaker 1: Full uniform. He's not sending a manager up there. He's

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Speaker 1: not sending a family member up there. He's going to

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Speaker 1: section two twelve. And by damn, he smelled those chicken

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Speaker 1: tenders from the floor, and you know, he looked like

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Speaker 1: it's shooting some of those layups, and he decided to

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Speaker 4: It's like me in high school when my high school

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Speaker 4: career ended. You know, I was treating myself for the

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Speaker 4: next couple days once my career was over, you know

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Speaker 2: And Denzoe Washington memor the video. I believe here was something.

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Speaker 1: I'm believe here was something.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I'm picturing me at Wodock Fields back

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Speaker 1: in the day, being like, man, if I strike out here,

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Speaker 1: that walking taco comes a lot quicker. I'm on, now,

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Speaker 1: come on now, I can smell it, baby, I can

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Speaker 1: smell it. So the big league chew ain't gonna chew

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Speaker 1: itself if I get if I get over there to

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Speaker 1: the old concession stare.

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Speaker 2: In the IU realm. There's been a lot of chatter

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Speaker 2: of did I you hire the Riot coach from Drake?

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Speaker 2: Are you? Are you buying any of this this morning here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting because I do think it's a debate.

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Speaker 1: We even had last March of like the Ben McCollums story, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, and to be clear, he was hired a

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Speaker 2: week after correct and.

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Speaker 1: I guess for the not familiar with Ben McCollum's story,

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Speaker 1: an incredible Division two coach, just like absurd record. He

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Speaker 1: Drake just for one year, right because Darren DeVries took

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Speaker 1: lot of people thought he was a bit of an

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Speaker 1: acquired taste. And I don't mean that from like a

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Speaker 1: They play a very slow brand and he's very very

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Speaker 1: selective from a recruiting standpoint, Like he's very in some

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Speaker 1: of the stuff I actually kind of agree with, but

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Speaker 1: like remember how huge he is from like a body

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Speaker 1: language standpoint and like a positivity standpoint, and you know,

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Speaker 1: again some of that stuff is like, well yeah, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: you know a lot of people are kind of like that.

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Speaker 1: But like he's very outspoken in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: about building Iowa's roster here. I I think I could

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Speaker 1: really gonna play it that aggressively here on a Monday, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, where did Iowa finish in the Big ten?

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Speaker 1: You know, I like, did you know to me the tournament?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: I know?

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Speaker 2: But like, again, there's other chance Kevin.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's very like slim pickings of like it's

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Speaker 1: almost like the Chris bauerd thing of like everything Chris

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Speaker 1: Bauer does. If he walks to his mailbox wrong, people

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Speaker 1: are gonna be like that. That's why the Colts haven't

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, someone will say the mailbofferent.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot you can be critical of Indiana.

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Speaker 1: I think having Mike Woodson coach out that fourth year,

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Speaker 1: that would probably be a top the list when Dusty

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Speaker 1: May is theoretically sitting there for you. That would probably

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Speaker 1: be a little bit more of it. I think, reacting

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Speaker 1: to one year of Ben McCollum versus Darren debrees to

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Speaker 1: me seems very low hanging fruit.

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Speaker 2: Well I'm picking anyway.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't shock at all of it.

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Speaker 2: I would agree there. I just saw that constant conversation

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Speaker 2: more to it. And I think it's also just the

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Speaker 2: NC tournament, as you all know, and Caleb lives it.

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Speaker 2: But it's finicky man like you don't really know what

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Speaker 2: can happen. And so for example, Iowa, and this is

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Speaker 2: not a discredit to them, but they're a bad Florida

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Speaker 2: defense from being eliminated and we're not even having this discussion.

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Speaker 2: So I do think that's one where it could be

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Speaker 2: a little nitpicky and a little disingenuous. But that's what

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Speaker 4: I think it can be dangerous to make tournament results

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Speaker 4: as the basis of judgment for these coaches and programs.

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Speaker 4: I think when it's when it becomes a pattern like

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Speaker 4: you're seeing Kentucky these last couple of years now and

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Speaker 4: make those the results they have in the tournament and

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Speaker 4: kind of judge them. Okay, where are these programs at?

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Speaker 4: But I am kind of on Kevin's side, like we

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Speaker 4: we might need to give it some time. See another

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Speaker 4: year Devrees, see another year of Iowa, and then kind

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Speaker 1: But I mean, well, I just I can't be talking

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Speaker 1: au basketball at seven forty on that Sweet sixteen Monday either.

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Speaker 1: I just I think it's I think it's a little

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Speaker 1: disingenuous to Purdue. Frankly, uh to even you know, go

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Speaker 1: there in the can say this in the seven o'clock hour.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to talk patterns, Caleb Purdue three

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Speaker 1: straight piece of scenes seven to nine years. You know,

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Speaker 1: as much as you want to bring up Fairley Dickinson

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Speaker 1: or North of Texas, the other seven years they've made

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Speaker 1: it to the Sweet sixteen. And that to me is

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Speaker 1: a true indicator of to steal the Nick saban Or program.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a legit program? Do the faces change?

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Speaker 1: But your brand is still showing up in the second

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Speaker 1: weekend And I think this is the best. This is

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Speaker 1: one of the best weeks that you can have as

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Speaker 1: a fan if your team gets through the opening weekend

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Speaker 1: of the NCAA tournament and now you can kick those

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Speaker 1: fricking feed up for three four days and think to ourselves, man,

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Speaker 1: that was awesome. We just watched our team advance, and like,

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Speaker 1: you don't even have to start thinking about, oh, what

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Speaker 1: if we went on Thursday? What if we oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: are we forty minutes away from the point of four? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like all of that will inevitably be there. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: what a great feeling like football? You don't necessarily get

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Speaker 1: that sort of feeling. I guess maybe with the playoff

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Speaker 1: now do I think it's one of the greatest weeks

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Speaker 1: of the year as a fan if you have one

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Speaker 1: of these teams left in the bracket?

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Speaker 2: Can I say this? How about Oscar kluff in the hands?

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Speaker 2: I mean he catches everything. I thought the behind the

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Speaker 2: back pass that Braidon had one of his rare highlights yesterday, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't necessarily the most accurate. He threw it

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Speaker 4: I think it's not out of the question.

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Speaker 2: I've had a lot of upside in my day, Caleb,

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Speaker 2: I haven't always reached it, but I look at it

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Speaker 2: I can say with Tyrese you have been. That might

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Speaker 2: your lead guards? Your friends. I mean, that's the only

433
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Speaker 2: reason we're not talking about him is like, well, we

434
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Speaker 2: they already have a point guard.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you're like, if you don't play it out further,

436
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Speaker 1: if they had a haliburtnon equivalent at center, but they

437
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Speaker 1: were searching for the point guard, oh, they would have

438
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Speaker 1: kept the pick because theoretically a Cuff or Kingston Flumbings

439
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Speaker 1: from Houston for the time watch like that would be

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Speaker 1: your point guard of the future.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Much more on the Boilers, the latest on CJ. Cox

443
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Speaker 1: and that hyper extension of the knee. When we return,

444
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: Kleb will play the re entry preview or I should

445
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Speaker 1: say recap him. Another Sweet sixteen appearance for the Purdue

446
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Speaker 1: boiler Makers, three and three years, seven and nine years

447
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: for Matt Paynter win number five hundred on the Produce

448
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Speaker 1: sidelines for the head coach of the Boilers. It is

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Speaker 1: the eight o'clock hour upcoming fan morning show. Here ninety

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Speaker 1: three five one oh seventy five the Fan. The bracket

451
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Speaker 1: is down to sixteen. Teams are flashing the odds up

452
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Speaker 1: right now. Michigan is your best favorite to reach the

453
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Speaker 1: final four. Here is the one he's intact minus Florida.

454
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Speaker 1: Great game yesterday, great finish there, Iowa becomes the sixth

455
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Speaker 1: Big ten team here to be left standing, and of

456
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Speaker 1: course we'll see if Indy can have a Big Ten

457
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Speaker 1: champion for the first time in quite a while. Talk

458
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Speaker 1: more about all of that. We always appreciate his insight

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Speaker 1: on these airwaves. He is Mike the course, he Sporty

460
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Speaker 1: News and Big ten Network, where you see some of

461
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Speaker 1: Mike's work. Mike, good morning to you.

462
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Speaker 3: How we doing.

463
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Speaker 5: I'm hanging in there, guys.

464
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Speaker 1: I can imagine I'm sure not a lot of sleep,

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Speaker 1: so we appreciate it. Your favorite moment so far through

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Speaker 1: two rounds of the tournament.

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Speaker 5: Is what Well, there are a lot of great moments,

468
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Speaker 5: so many. The thing that what frosts me Usually when

469
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Speaker 5: I get to this point in the tournament, I'm mostly

470
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Speaker 5: as much as I've enjoyed the moments through the tournament,

471
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Speaker 5: I'm mostly really weary of hearing people complain about whatever

472
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Speaker 5: the NCAA tournament happens to give us, because they are

473
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Speaker 5: always the loudest. This year, the complaint is no Cinderella,

474
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Speaker 5: and a couple of years back it might have been, well,

475
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 5: the teams aren't as good as they used to be

476
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety two, and it's like, well, you give

477
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 5: them better teams, and now they're complaining again, and so

478
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 5: it does get a little bit weary. So the idea

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Speaker 5: I get from people, now, Utah State shouldn't have been

480
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Speaker 5: a nine seed. Okay, they should have been an eight seed.

481
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 5: You're right, my bracket would have scored higher. But what

482
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Speaker 5: difference does that make. They're still playing in the same game. No, no,

483
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Speaker 5: they should have been a seventh Well why they got

484
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Speaker 5: swept by UNLV, Like we forget all this stuff. Maybe

485
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 5: I'm just spending too much time on Twitter, but there

486
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 5: were some tremendous moments, I suppose, because it's most recent

487
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Speaker 5: in my mind freshest the Alvero Fargaris three pointer, which

488
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 5: was beautifully designed, and in all honesty, I still don't

489
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Speaker 5: know what on earth Florida was trying to accomplish on

490
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Speaker 5: that last possession. I mean they were according to their

491
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Speaker 5: postgame discussion, and see this is where coaches think they're

492
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Speaker 5: smarter than the game, right. According to the post game discussion,

493
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 5: they were planning to foul deliberately so that they could

494
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Speaker 5: get the ball back and concoct a winning score rather

495
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Speaker 5: than than just play out the defense and try to

496
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Speaker 5: prevent them from scoring and winning that way.

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Speaker 1: I don't get that, Mike, that's.

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Speaker 5: John Harbaugh trying to prove he's the smartest person in

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Speaker 5: the room. I mean, that's what it is, uh, you know?

500
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Speaker 5: Or Dan Campbell saying, well, our brand is going for

501
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Speaker 5: it and well you're not in the Super Bowl any

502
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Speaker 5: longer because you go for it that It's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Is that a thing that teams do? Did? Did I

504
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Speaker 1: miss it before?

505
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Speaker 5: But I've never seen it before. But the the the

506
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Speaker 5: modern coaches into analytics, and that's there must have been

507
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Speaker 5: some math problem that said that's a way to win,

508
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 5: and hey, like it does give you a chance to

509
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 5: not be at the whim of the defense, but here's

510
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 5: a better chance. Don't dive on any penetration if that's

511
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Speaker 5: your goal is you're like, we're okay with a two,

512
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Speaker 5: but we're not okay with a three and will beat

513
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Speaker 5: them in overtime. But what they're really saying is if

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Speaker 5: we foul quickly, then we can have a chance to

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Speaker 5: get back and score for I don't think there was

516
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Speaker 5: enough time for that anyway. But the reality is that's

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Speaker 5: just not an approach to win, and the fact they

518
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Speaker 5: kept that pressure up. By the time bennett'ster's caught the ball,

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Speaker 5: there were three floorid to defenders who were done in

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Speaker 5: that play. They were done. They could have just gone

521
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Speaker 5: and gotten popcorn because he was beyond all of them.

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Speaker 5: And so it was basically the ball against two defenders,

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Speaker 5: and both of them were positioned closer to the lane. Therefore,

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Speaker 5: Valgaris had all the room in the world to make

525
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Speaker 5: or miss the shot on his own. Now, there's a

526
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Speaker 5: lot of pressure in that situation and he's got to

527
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Speaker 5: block all that out, and there's no guarantee that SHOT's

528
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Speaker 5: going to drop. But a wide open three pointer is

529
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 5: a lot higher percent higher percentage shot than a challenge

530
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Speaker 5: three pointer. It's a lot higher percentage shot than a

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Speaker 5: three pointer launched because with a defender directly in your

532
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Speaker 5: space and not just somebody closing on you, and he

533
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Speaker 5: was as open as you could possibly be in a

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Speaker 5: college basketball game in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Well, Mike, I'll let you know, when you become a

536
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Speaker 2: head coach, you can decide these things. I'm chugging, but

537
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Speaker 2: when I do want to pivot a little bit away

538
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Speaker 2: from the chaos that was that Iowa Florida finished to

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Speaker 2: Purdue and braid Smith did not have a very Braiden

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Speaker 2: Smith asque performance. I thought against Miami, But what did

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Speaker 2: you think of the way in which Purdue advanced? I

542
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Speaker 2: always do the first problems with the second round to

543
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Speaker 2: get to their third straight Sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 5: Well, I thought Purdue played very well. I thought that

545
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Speaker 5: that that they needed to do. They got done what

546
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Speaker 5: they needed to do. And I don't understand what you

547
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Speaker 5: meant by that comment about when I get to be

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Speaker 5: a coach.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand.

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00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I was just joking about you know,

551
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: when you know you're criticizing the coaching and and when

552
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: you become a coach, you can decide which is I

553
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: would have I would have loved to have you know

554
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I would have loved to have you

555
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: as a Florida coach. Said again, you asked me my

556
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Speaker 2: opinion about the game.

557
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Speaker 1: I gave it.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I was joking, Mike. It wasn't serious at all.

559
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Speaker 2: I was joking and saying that I would have preferred

560
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Speaker 2: to have you as the coach, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I see, yeah, yeah, yeah, that didn't mean it as

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Speaker 2: a shot. I mean, if you were to Florida, coach

563
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: would be we'd be winning the game.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, I thought.

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Speaker 5: Florida played I excuse me, I thought Due played really well.

566
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Speaker 5: I thought that in this circumstance, Uh, it's about getting through.

567
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: Uh it wasn't.

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00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 5: It wasn't a perfect Purdue performance, but where where it

569
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Speaker 5: was really good was at the defensive end.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 5: They gave up one point five points per possession, and

572
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Speaker 5: that's not exactly what their average is. That they're a

573
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 5: little better than that, but they're not elite at that

574
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Speaker 5: end of the floor. And when you go one point

575
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Speaker 5: h five in an NCAA tournament game, you're you're probably

576
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Speaker 5: going to win, unless you're playing against the let's say

577
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Speaker 5: what the ninety six Kentucky Wildcats are probably doing better

578
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 5: than that against you. But if you're doing that, you've

579
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 5: got a shot to win. And that's what Purdue needs

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00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 5: to be in order to be successful because their offense

581
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 5: is really high end, and they moved the basketball so well,

582
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Speaker 5: and they've got scorers at so many a variety of

583
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Speaker 5: different levels. I thought braiden forced a couple of shots

584
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Speaker 5: in various circumstances, but for the most part, ran the

585
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Speaker 5: team the way he needed to. When you get to

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Speaker 5: one of eight and you're Braden Smith, you probably got

587
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Speaker 5: to know that that's not the ideal approach for you

588
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Speaker 5: in that particular game. And there was a point in

589
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Speaker 5: the game where he got to one of eight, and

590
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Speaker 5: from there his shot attempts became higher quality. He didn't say, Okay,

591
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 5: this is good enough. He said, we can do better.

592
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 5: It may be me, but if it's me, it's going

593
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 5: to be a better shot. And down the stretch it

594
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 5: certainly was.

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Speaker 1: And Mike, of course with us here Sporting News, Big

596
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: ten Network, where you can find some of his work. Mike,

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Speaker 1: I guess two years of maybe major nil evidence to

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Speaker 1: go off of. Last year, the highest seed left of

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Speaker 1: Sweet sixteen was John cal Perry in Arkansas. This year

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Speaker 1: it's Sean Miller in Texas. I would venture to guess

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Speaker 1: those nil budgets are rather robust at both of those

602
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Speaker 1: two schools. Is Cinderella dead? I know, it's kind of

603
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: an aggressive way to put it. High point certainly was

604
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Speaker 1: very close to making some noise there in the Sweet sixteen,

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. How do you kind of view

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Speaker 1: the double digit seed the little bit of the Cinderella

607
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Speaker 1: story now moving forward, I think there.

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Speaker 5: Are a lot of different reasons for why we are

609
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Speaker 5: where we are, and one of the things that we

610
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Speaker 5: have to remember is that Cinderella is in the past

611
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Speaker 5: in a lot of cases. Now right there in Indy,

612
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 5: who is the biggest Cinderella of all time in college basketball?

613
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 5: Butler makes consecutive Final fours and is literally one inch

614
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Speaker 5: from winning a national championship at twenty ten, and they're

615
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Speaker 5: now in the Palace. They are in the Big East Conference.

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Speaker 5: It's one of the five biggest basketball conferences in America.

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Speaker 5: And that's true all over college basketball. You see a

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Speaker 5: lot of teams. Gonzaga certainly went from being a mid

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Speaker 5: major darling in nineteen ninety nine two thousand and one

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Speaker 5: to being one of the strongest powers in college basketball now.

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Speaker 5: So the fact that so many teams have been invited

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Speaker 5: into that sphere does limit the ability of the quote

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Speaker 5: Cinderella to be at the ball. There are fewer teams

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Speaker 5: in that category now. There are still as many teams.

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Speaker 5: There are more teams than there ever were, but they're

626
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 5: all coming from Division two with limited resources and really

627
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Speaker 5: just the dream of getting into the tournament and maybe,

628
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Speaker 5: if everything goes right, winning one game. But there are

629
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Speaker 5: very few that are out there that have the capacity

630
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Speaker 5: to win multiple games because a huge chunk of the

631
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Speaker 5: ones that did are now part of the establishment and

632
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 5: so and they're in some of those cases, they're struggling

633
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 5: as part of the establishment, but they're still inside. And

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00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 5: that's that's part of why.

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Speaker 3: We are where we are.

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Speaker 5: Another part of it is that.

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Speaker 1: The Committee used to get.

638
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Speaker 5: Seeds wrong all the time because the tools with which

639
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 5: they worked were awful. They had very poor data and

640
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 5: very poor opportunity to understand what made the difference between

641
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 5: a really good, nice team and a nice season and

642
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 5: somebody that was really dangerous. That doesn't happen. Now, the

643
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 5: Committee gets the seeds right in almost every occasion. The

644
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 5: closest thing they had to a miss seed this year

645
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: was Virginia, and there were reasons why they were on

646
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 5: the three line. It was just so obvious they didn't

647
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 5: belong because of the nature of their season, but there

648
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 5: were but there was no clear candidate that said they

649
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 5: absolutely should have been a three and Virginia shouldn't have

650
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Speaker 5: been it could have been Nebraska, it could have been

651
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 5: it could have been let's say, Alabama. But none of

652
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 5: those teams had exactly the qualifications for that last three

653
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 5: seed anyway, So you don't see you don't see as

654
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 5: many opportunities for these lower seated teams to win because

655
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 5: they're usually seated about where they should be, and the

656
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 5: teams that are above them are usually seated where they

657
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 5: should be, so they don't there's not a vulnerability there

658
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Speaker 5: for them to pick off.

659
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Speaker 1: Iowa was nine again, Texas there as you're eleven?

660
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Speaker 3: Is that it?

661
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Speaker 1: I feel like I guess Tennessee if you want to

662
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: look at it there from a six stand point, although

663
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people though Tennessee and Virginia. That was

664
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Speaker 1: probably Tennessee one. Mike to course again, Sporty News, Big

665
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: ten Network, where you can find his work. We'll get

666
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Speaker 1: things started perdue in Texas, coming up Thursday out there

667
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: in San Jose. Mike, Thank you man, Thanks guy, Thanks Mike.

668
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Mike de Coursi right there on the Payless Liquors Hotline.

669
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Speaker 1: Fifteen minutes from now. Voice of the Boilers, Rob Blackman,

670
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: He's going to join us here at top of the

671
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: nine o'clock hour, the Boilers are moving on to the

672
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: Sweet sixteen. That means a trip out to San Jose.

673
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: You think Rob Blackman's ever called a Perdue game from

674
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: San Jose. I was gonna say California in general, but

675
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: obviously now the Big ten calls California home.

676
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: He's getting those miles in.

677
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

678
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if he can, if he can whatever

679
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: cash in on the points, but nonetheless he's gonna see

680
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: the one through TSA well. Yeah, amen to that part

681
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: of the country. Coming up Thursday, they'll be the first

682
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Speaker 1: game seven to ten out there four ten local time

683
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: from the Perdue Global Radio Network to play by play

684
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: voice the great Rob black Ben, Rob, you ever called

685
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: the game in the Bay Area? I don't know if

686
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: he calls Ose the Bay Area?

687
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: I have, So we'll play a little trivia here with

688
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: you guys. Indiana Firebirds Arena Football League back in the day, Oh,

689
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: San Jose always had not only a team, but a

690
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 3: very very good team. They typically won the Arena League championship.

691
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: Anyone remember their nickname?

692
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: Oh, no chance for me.

693
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, my Firebirds fandom stops at Raymond phillyaw and

694
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: touchdown Eddie Brown.

695
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: Those are actually good names, the San Jose SaberCats, So

696
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 3: I have I've actually called a couple of three games

697
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 3: in that building, but never basketball in that building. So

698
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: this will be a first for me at least doing basketball.

699
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: Well look at that, Well you've got it coming up

700
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: here on Thursday. We appreciate the time. Obviously, it is

701
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,479
Speaker 1: a quick turnaround. You know, I just kind of wanted

702
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: to leave it a little open ended to start, because

703
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, when you go back to Friday night, the

704
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: assist record and all of that, and then you fast

705
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: forward to yesterday and the game is a much different game.

706
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's Fletcher Lawyer and it's CJ. Cox and

707
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: the high of the first half and then oh my gosh,

708
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: is this another injury situation? Like there's so many moments.

709
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: So if I just said, like Rob Blackman, what was

710
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: your favorite moment from being in Saint Louis for four

711
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: days and watching Perdue win two games, you would say, what.

712
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: Well, the the Braden Smith record breaker. I mean that

713
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: it's going to be hard to top that. I mean,

714
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: it's when you become the all time right assist king

715
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 3: in the history of NCAA basketball. It's kind of tough

716
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: to top that one, so that one moves right to

717
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: the top of the list. But I got to tell

718
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: you a close second, and I'm kind of kicking myself

719
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: because I don't I don't feel like I gave it

720
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 3: enough attention. Yesterday was Matt Painter getting his five hundred

721
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: to win yesterday as the Purdue head coach. You know,

722
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: he'd already had, We'd already celebrated five hundred wins with

723
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: him earlier in the year, but you know, twenty five

724
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: of those came at Southern Illinois. So his five hundredth

725
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: career win we celebrated early in the season at Macie Arena.

726
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 3: But five hundred has a Purdue coach Purdue only. Also

727
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: happening yesterday was I would rank up there as a

728
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: close second. But I was thinking about this this morning, guys,

729
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: and you know, look, obviously, you get an NCAA tournament

730
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: winning games, that is the ultimate goal that you want

731
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: to win and move on and see the next weekend.

732
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: But there were so many historic things that happened in

733
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: that weekend, and I just mentioned two of them. But

734
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: like Trade Kaufman, Wren moved into the top twenty in

735
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: all time scoring in the history of Purdue. Yesterday, Fletcher

736
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: Lawyer went over eighteen hundred points for his career. Braden

737
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: went over nineteen hundred points, which, look it would take

738
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: a herculean effort, but quite frankly, it's not completely out

739
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: of the realm of possibility. Braydon Smith could get the

740
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 3: two thousand career points. Again, they would take ahurcule in effort,

741
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: but at least he can you know, he can see it.

742
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: He can see the finish line from where he is,

743
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: which to me is I mean, really a five to

744
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: ten white kid that had one high major offer and

745
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: he's that close to two thousand career points. So uh,

746
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: and he's already he's already set the NCAA record for

747
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: career assist I mean, what what are we talking about here? So, yeah,

748
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: it was. It was a historic weekend in a whole

749
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: whole lot of different ways. But I would put the

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Speaker 3: two that I just mentioned right there at the top.

751
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Speaker 2: Rob When you look at the contributions you all got

752
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: from CJ. Cox, especially that late first half flurry, you

753
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: can trast that when he goes down. Can you just

754
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 2: describe the emotions of both and obviously hopefully him making

755
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 2: it out of that injury. On the better side of it, well.

756
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's start with the fact he rip off those

757
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 3: three threes in a row at the end of the

758
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: first half when it felt like Purdue was I wouldn't

759
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: say circling the drain, but they certainly were in a

760
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 3: bad way. It was very reminiscent of his freshman year.

761
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: Purdue fans would remember against Alabama real early in his career.

762
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: It was a November game and he made three threes

763
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: in a row, and that was kind of like his welcoming,

764
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: his coming out party, I should say, to welcome himself

765
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: to all the fans in Mackie Arena and Purdue basketball.

766
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 3: Very very similar to what he did yesterday. Uh, three

767
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: threes in a row when Purdue absolutely had to have it.

768
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: And for those I don't know if you could feel

769
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: at tension on television as maybe as much as you

770
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: could in the building, but it really felt like Purdue

771
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: was teetering right there. Uh So Purdue needed all three

772
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 3: of those three point shots. So yeah, you're you're riding

773
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: the emotional high of man and maybe CJ. Cox just

774
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: saved the season for Purdue right there. And then he

775
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 3: goes down with a knee injury you know has in

776
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: my job, it's hard to stop and think much about

777
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: it as it happens in game because you have so

778
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: many many other things you have to pay attention to.

779
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: But when he did come back out on the floor

780
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: in full uniform and you could see him, I don't

781
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: know how much they showed on television, but you know

782
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 3: he was over there really stretching out and and jumping

783
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: up and down and doing some light jogging. So you

784
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: felt like he probably was good in good enough shape

785
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: that if Purdue would have gotten desperate and had to

786
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: put him back in the game, he could have gone in.

787
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 3: And I think he said as much at the end

788
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: of the in the post game, so I didn't. I know.

789
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: It was an emotional roller coaster for a lot of folks.

790
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: Not so much me again, because you just caught up

791
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: in the moment you don't have time to think much

792
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: about it. Hopefully he's okay. He certainly looked pretty good

793
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: postgame yesterday walking around and was in good spirits. So again,

794
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: from an emotional roller coaster standpoint, not much for me,

795
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: other than being really excited when he ripped off those

796
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 3: three threes when Purdue absolutely had to have them.

797
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: And Rob Blackman with this here perdue Global Radio Network

798
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: Voice of the Boilers. It'll be Predue in Texas coming

799
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: up seven to ten Eastern time on Thursday. Rob, do

800
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: you guys leave today tomorrow? Tomorrow tomorrow?

801
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: It's my understanding they're going to try to get a

802
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: flight for everyone out of at a Purdue early afternoon tomorrow.

803
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: That's the plan at least.

804
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking back on yesterday. We just

805
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: played the Fletcher Lawyer audio. I guess Matt pay Or

806
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: on Fletcher Lawyer from yesterday, and you know, you live

807
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: in a different bubble than us, but you know, it

808
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: just seems like for a player, it's accomplished so much Purdue.

809
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: You know, people are so quick to throw whatever a

810
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: jab at Fletcher and maybe the jumper isn't as pristine

811
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: as it has been through his four years. But I

812
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: do find it fitting Rob that in the most critical

813
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: juncture of these guys' careers, here's the final times plaurally

814
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: you get to put on a Purdue uniform. He's been

815
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: so darned good and just so consistent. And James brought

816
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: up his ability to drive a little bit earlier. You

817
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: saw yesterday, get to the foul line. You know, I

818
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: think back to the Nebraska game, the first one earlier

819
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: this year, chaotic moment, final possession. He's got the calmness

820
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: to find Oscar Cluff for that game when he lay up.

821
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: These aren't the volleyball line threes that we know he

822
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: can make, and he's the all time leading shooter three

823
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: point shooter that is. But it just seems really fitting

824
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: Rob that here they are in another sweet sixteen and

825
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: it's the guy that I think a lot of people

826
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: take for granted in Fletcher Lawyer.

827
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been the and look, when you're the running

828
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: mate of Braydon Smith, it is kind of easy to

829
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: be the forgotten guy. But you're right, there's also been

830
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: a lot of venom throwing his way over his career. Well,

831
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: I have to tell you, just trying to again, I

832
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: try to be as objective as possible when I look

833
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: at these things. I don't know why anyone would throw

834
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: venom toward Fletch. I mean I just mentioned he's eighteen

835
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: hundred career points for the guy he's going to graduate

836
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: as one of I'd have to look this up. Four

837
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: or five players that have ever averaged double figures for

838
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: all four years of their career. Think about that, he

839
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 3: averaged double figures as a freshman, and most people seem

840
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: to forget that. A lot of people don't even know

841
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 3: that actually, and yes, he's the school's all time leader

842
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: in three point shots made, as you mentioned. And by

843
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 3: the way, he started every single game of his career,

844
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: just like Braiden Smith as he was in the starting

845
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: lineup from day one, game one. So I agree with you,

846
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: I you know, probably unfairly. I think, in my opinion,

847
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: he does take a lot of heat. But man, he

848
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: if you just step back objectively look at the numbers

849
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: that he's produced. I oh, by the way, the winning

850
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: hasn't hurt either. Last I checked, He's been a part

851
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: of all these wins over the last four years. I

852
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: do have a tough time seeing why he gets a

853
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 3: whole lot of criticism when you consider just the actual

854
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: overall numbers.

855
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: Rob last one from me, quick look ahead to Texas.

856
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've probably at least glanced at what they

857
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: could put up against this Purdue team. Your only thoughts

858
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: on that matchup, Well.

859
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: You know, I've watched them a lot, James, simply because

860
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: I'm a big Cam Heidi fan, so whenever they popped

861
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: up on TV this year, I would always stop and watch.

862
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: And I think our players and coaches would tell you

863
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: the same because Cam is so well liked on our team,

864
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: you know, as a former player, so a lot of

865
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: guys really root for him, coaches and players alike. So

866
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: I actually have seen them play a lot. I would

867
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: say this much. Their low post play has really gotten

868
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: better from what it looked like early in the season,

869
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 3: and that to me, he's been the difference maker for them.

870
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: I won't pronounce his name correctly, at least today, I'll

871
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: have it. I'll have it right by Thursday. But the

872
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: center they're playing popetas or again, I apologize for not

873
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 3: getting the right man. He's It seems like he's come

874
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: miles from where he was early in the season, and

875
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 3: he was a real difference maker in the Cincia Tournament

876
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: to this point for them. So they always had the

877
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: good guard play tremon Mark obviously gives you a chance

878
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: right away with a guard like part of me with

879
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: a guard like him, But now that they've got much

880
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 3: better post play and look, I mean hard to argue

881
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 3: there's a there's a hotter team right now in the

882
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: NCAA tournament. I mean it's you know, it's one thing

883
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: to be a team that wins in the first four

884
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: and then get the Sweet sixteen. But look how they've

885
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: done it. You know, you're flying from Austin, Texas to Dayton,

886
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 3: then quickly on a flight out to where they Portland.

887
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: I think. So, I mean, that's man, that's hard to do.

888
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: And then here they are still still alive in this tournament.

889
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: So as you guys know, this tournament's all about, are

890
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,479
Speaker 3: you playing your best at the right time? I would

891
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: say this is those guys definitely are doing that. But

892
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: you know what, I feel like Purdue is too, at

893
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: least offensively. It would be hard to argue produced not

894
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: playing its best. It's been all year. I mean, Produce

895
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: shooting what fifty eight percent from three in the two

896
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 3: tournament games. So this should be a really good one.

897
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: On Thursday, PJ.

898
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: Thompson got to hide the white board a little bit

899
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: more on Thursday with I was.

900
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: I was thinking about it. You know, you know, Sean

901
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 3: Miller and his staff are going to just be pepper

902
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 3: and he now the one thing Purdue has going for it,

903
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: and Cam's a really smart guy, don't misunderstand me. But

904
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: Purdue runs so much stuff on offense. They have so

905
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: many plays, I mean hundreds of plays. I can't imagine

906
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 3: Cams remembered all of them. I can't imagine Braden Smith

907
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: quite frankly, has remembered all of them. Uh So, hopefully

908
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: that could work and produce favor. But yes, Texas is

909
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: going to have a little bit of an insight scounting report,

910
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 3: that's for sure.

911
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: Well, and Purdue knows if cam Heide's in the corner,

912
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: somebody better run out there and challenge. Yet after what

913
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: we all right the other night, Rob, we can't think

914
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, if we know it's been crazy for you.

915
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: Safe safe travels and hopefully we're running it back Monday

916
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock if you don't mind.

917
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: Okay, sounds great. I hope we do that. Thank you, guys.

918
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: Voice of the Boilers. That is Rob Blackman right there.

919
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean that three he hit the other night, James,

920
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: it was so eerie how much it was like the

921
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: Houston game.

922
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was weird because it looks like he's in

923
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: the wrong uniform. But that's his new place now. And honestly,

924
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: I feel like you got to go back in the

925
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: archives and like get the files and blow dust off

926
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: of the Okay, Cam Heidie proof plays and get ready

927
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: to go.

928
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we did cut some Matte Painter, Caleb cut

929
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: some Matte Painter audio on Cam Heidi. Maybe we'll play

930
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: that for you coming up tomorrow. But to kind of

931
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: echo what Rob was saying, I didn't get the sense

932
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: in hearing Matt Painter talk about Cam Heidi that there

933
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: were that many hard feelings about him transferring. I think,

934
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, yes, I'm reading body language here a little bit.

935
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: But the answer about that shot the other night I

936
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: thought was pretty It seems like there are some good feelings.

937
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: Obviously there won't be any coming seven to ten on

938
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: Thursday there, so quick quick turnaround for the Boilers. Seven

939
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: and a half point favorite. Bruce Weber gonna join us

940
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: tomorrow in the nine o'clock hour. One thing I do

941
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: when I ask him, is you know he hired Well,

942
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: first off, he recruited Matt Painter. But you know, Bruce

943
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: Weber's first head coaching job was leaving Purdue to go

944
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: to Southern Illinois, and he hired Matt Painter on that staff.

945
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: So just kind of what what he saw because you know,

946
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: now here we are five hundred wins later, Matt Painter

947
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: has won five hundred games at Purdue. That was win

948
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: number five hundred over Miami there on Sunday. So always

949
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: enjoy our chats with Bruce Weber obviously can go a

950
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: lot of different places with him, but his relationship with

951
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: Matt Painter certainly goes back to the old whatever those

952
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: days are. MONTHI day's recruiting the man that's won five

953
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: hundred games of Purdue and three straight Sweet sixteen, seven

954
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: and nine years? Is that the most that's got to

955
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: be the most, right? Or do we have anybody else

956
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: last nine years that if they did, it's more Sweet sixteen.

957
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: I have to look it up. Maybe Gonzaga didn't they

958
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: make it?

959
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: They on those lists.

960
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, But to give Rob some credit here, it does

961
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: feel like the five hundreds win was kind of buried

962
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: by everything else. But and again knowing Matt Painter, he

963
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 2: probably won't even care about the actual number, and they're

964
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: like the threshold. But that is a lot of wins

965
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: at one program, and you think about what he hasn't done,

966
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 2: which is won the national championship. But boy, everything else

967
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 2: is pristine. That's why you talked about it last week, Kevin.

968
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: He probably is deserving. And I say that term in

969
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: air quotes because I'm like sports is finicky with what

970
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: is deserving or not. But if there is somebody who

971
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: deserves to have that crown jewel, it is him.

972
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, for those that missed that combo, you

973
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: said it last week, Matt Pain or Purdue Rick Carlile

974
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: with with the Pacers, you know what they've meant to

975
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: their respective program in France. Yeah, for sure, you know,

976
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: obviously Rick has the title, but it just seems like,

977
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: you know, if you walked up to random NBA fan

978
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: and said Rick Carlile, they probably say Pacers. Yeah, and

979
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: obviously you walk up to Matt Paynter, of course, it's

980
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: definitely Purdue. It is funny because they have brought it

981
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: up on some of these broadcasts. You know, he grew

982
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: up the Indiana fan and you know, Matt hasn't shied

983
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: away from that when people have asked him about that.

984
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: Of you know, he grew up the AAU teammate of

985
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: Pat Knight, and it just it is kind of funny

986
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: when you think about it from that aspect to it

987
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: so Rob Blackman voiced the Boilers on with us earlier.

988
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: But you know when I started with Rob, I hate

989
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: to kind of ask such like an elementary question to

990
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: start off, but I feel this way when we get

991
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: in the nca tournament. Oftentimes our show comes after recapping

992
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: two games, like we did our show Friday morning, Well

993
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: what's happened since then? Braden Smith set the Alzheim assist record.

994
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: By the way, shout out to missus Smith. They show

995
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 1: or a nice little michaeloibaltro. She was down in there

996
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: as Braiden was going through the operations there Friday night.

997
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: I don't blame her at all out take that edge

998
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: off as well. But you have that Friday night and

999
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: braidon shoots are great, and Purdue rolls in the second half,

1000
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: and then you fast forward to yesterday. You're down. Brought

1001
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: up a stat earlier produce first NCAA tournament win down

1002
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: at half since they beat Texas A and M and

1003
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: overtime in twenty ten. You got to go back a

1004
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: long time since Purdue's been down at half of an

1005
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament game. Came back in one. So you have that,

1006
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: You have the CJ. Cox injury, you have Braiden Smith's struggle,

1007
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: you have Fletcher Lawyer have an unbelievable game. It's like,

1008
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: where do you even begin? Yeah, and then you have

1009
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: the big picture, of course, of the five hundred wins

1010
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: and here you are in another Sweet sixteen. You got

1011
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of the Cam Heidi storyline with any

1012
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: of that. Dude, you think that is a story at

1013
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 1: all for Thursday, Cam Heidi having somewhat of a knowledge

1014
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: base about Purdue or do you think that's totally overblown?

1015
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: I think that'll be more over blown in our space,

1016
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: the media space, than it is in the actual x's

1017
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: and zero is a basketball and honestly, we've heard many

1018
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: coaches say this, Kevin, you can know their play, but

1019
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: can you stop it? And I'm not sure given all

1020
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 2: the actions and probably variations of a play that Purdue

1021
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: has and being arguably the best offense in the country,

1022
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: I mean, are you scared of anybody knowing what you're

1023
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: gonna do? You probably have a bunch of wrinkles to

1024
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: counter everything. And to me, it just comes down to, really,

1025
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: and I don't want to put it like in just

1026
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: this only vacuum, but can Brad Smith make shots, because

1027
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: if he makes shots, they can be to anybody, and

1028
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: they've done it so far with him kind of fluctuating

1029
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: the last couple weeks, I think with his jumper. But boy,

1030
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: if we see like that first round Branden where he's

1031
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: making the little leaners and he's making the open threes,

1032
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 2: I don't see how you can necessarily beat this team.

1033
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: James Boyd has all five of his player draft players

1034
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: ill available, Cameron Boozer, Keaton Woggler, Darius Acuff, CoA Pete,

1035
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Fears. Now you are in second. Currently, Jeff

1036
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: Rickard has a twenty three point lead on James boy Now,

1037
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: Jeff bowed out with Grammy King and Zaga and Alex

1038
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: Condon and Florida. So Jeff's down to three guys. You've

1039
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: got five you would easily rather be you moving forward here,

1040
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: Guess who's bringing up the rear.

1041
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: It better not be Mark.

1042
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm getting my ass kicked. How are you losing to it?

1043
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1044
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: Well no, Actually you got a couple guys that got

1045
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: delimit they pretty early.

1046
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: Well, so I picked the losing to a guy who

1047
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: told the guy was injured. Well, my guy got injured

1048
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: ninety seconds into the far end of the first round game.

1049
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: Joshua Jefferson the Iowa State, you know, one of their

1050
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: best players. He scores three points, you know, hits his

1051
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: first bucket. I'm feeling good. I'm like, oh, it's gonna

1052
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: be nice here. Then he gets hurt. I'm like, ah,

1053
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: so here we are. He is on my team. You know,

1054
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: I picked aj Debantsa. I was just stupid. Why did

1055
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: I think Byu was going to get on a run here?

1056
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 4: I was in an eliminator pool and I picked Buyu

1057
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 4: the first round.

1058
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: Did you yep?

1059
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: Well, Caleb, you and I can cheers to that. So yeah,

1060
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: I got him out. And then remember I picked the

1061
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,479
Speaker 1: guard from Akron, which is so dumb. With my fifth pick,

1062
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: I was so stupid, I thought Akron we get on

1063
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: a run. So yeah, all I got Well, I got

1064
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: three guys left, but one of them is hurt.

1065
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 3: Now.

1066
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: Mark actually had a really good team. March scored one

1067
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two points with four guys, which is

1068
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 1: like crazy good and four guys and nick Boy didn't

1069
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: play a second round game, right, Darren Peterson went off.

1070
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: Braydon Smith had the huge first game. Yeah, and then

1071
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: he had twelve. Lebrian Philon didn't have a ton last night,

1072
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: but he had twenty nine in Round one. Alabama, by

1073
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: the way, Alabama hit twenty threes to beat Texas Tech.

1074
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: Alabama is one of those teams. They get Michigan next round.

1075
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: They're just one that like we won't talk about it

1076
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: this week. Twenty three pointers.

1077
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: I watched them. They play a very fun brand of basketball.

1078
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: If you hit fifteen, you got a great chance to

1079
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: win likens there. So shout out to Mark Dyton without

1080
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: JT top and now Helily has two guys left, Braden

1081
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: Smith and Lebrian Fylon. But James Boyd, I think you

1082
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: are the betting favorite right now. But jeff Rickord is

1083
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: in the league. He is in the lee.

1084
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: I got to chaste down the boss, let him know

1085
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: what I coming for him.

1086
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: I see Jackson Smith and Jigoba. I just got paid,

1087
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: Yes he did. Did they let Kenneth walk or walk?

1088
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: Pun intended there? And they are paying Jackson Smith.

1089
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: And Jigba highest paid receiver infol history for now? That

1090
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: is was it four years one sixty eight?

1091
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: I think who Colts did nothing this weekend?

1092
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 3: Right?

1093
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: No, they gave me the weekend off they gave us

1094
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: the weekend off. They knew we want to watch basketball

1095
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: and me engaged and so.

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00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: But you're on a flight this time. Next week, you're

1097
00:53:58,840 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: in Arizona. Correct.

1098
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: I will be there for owners meetings, talking to the

1099
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: people who are important. Let's go, James, your favorite ev

1100
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: end of the year, right, Oh, it's gonna be great,

1101
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 2: so Serena Williams last time. So who knows what nice

1102
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: this one could bring?

1103
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: Movers and shakers.

1104
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: Movers and shakers. Man, I never feel more broke than

1105
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: when I'm at owners meetings and I'm like, boy, everyone

1106
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: in here at minimum is worth like five hundred million dollars.

1107
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: I get exposed in those environments. Now you this will

1108
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: be I guess carl Ers Gordon's first one is the

1109
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: lead owner.

1110
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she's been there in the past, but she

1111
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: hasn't spoken because her father was a team owner. So

1112
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 2: my understanding is that she would be available to speak

1113
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: along with Chris Ballard and Shane Stikeen. So you'll hear

1114
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: from those three for the first time since the draft,

1115
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 2: combine in first time for her since the end of

1116
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 2: the season.

1117
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: Now, I haven't been to an owners meeting in it

1118
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: in a minute, correct me if I'm wrong here. Usually

1119
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: do they still do like the coach's breakfast?

1120
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we get in, I fly on Sunday, Monday,

1121
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,959
Speaker 2: it'll be NFC or AFC or whatever. They flip flop

1122
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: the days of which conference coaches are available. So I

1123
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: believe we always got the benefit of the doubt where

1124
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: the AFC coaches will go on that Monday, because that

1125
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: Monday night there's like a big party even stuff like that.

1126
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 2: People are out late and Tuesday you're just dragging. But

1127
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: I think they flipped it this year to where that

1128
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 2: Tuesday after late Monday, we might have to deal with

1129
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 2: the AFC coaches. But nevertheless, I am looking forward to

1130
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: talking to Carly. I do want to hear from her

1131
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: about this offseason and perhaps not only retaining Daniel and Aleck,

1132
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: but beyond that, what other moves needs to be made

1133
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: to make this team better, Because that's the question that

1134
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: this fan base continues to ask, and it's a fair one.

1135
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: How have the Colds gotten better? And right now you

1136
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: have not.

1137
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Speaker 1: One thing I was thinking about too. This weekend quiet

1138
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: week in Colts moves. If you look at their cap

1139
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: space right now, it's plenty, plenty of that thirty million.

1140
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: It might be a minor thing to some, but like, okay,

1141
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: what are they saving their caps? You know, that's kind

1142
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: of like a poppet place. Yeah, you know when you

1143
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: think about it, James, the Jets have the Colts pick

1144
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: that's what like sixteen overall, that's like what four or

1145
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: five million that usually you'd have to save for. You know,

1146
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: you have to allocate money for the first year of

1147
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: that rookie contra. You don't have to do that now.

1148
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: You still need some money for the draft, but you know,

1149
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: that's like a little bit of a chunk of your

1150
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: cap space, right that you don't even have to save there.

1151
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: So it really does seem like and I'll be curious

1152
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: what Chris Boward says to you guys. You know, it

1153
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: really just seems like it was Trey Hendrickson. And then

1154
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 1: if not, we're not really going to do anything of note. Yeah,

1155
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: at pass rush. I'll be curious his thoughts on that

1156
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: coming up here in a week.

1157
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: Definitely want to ask him is trading for one a possibility?

1158
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: And of course he might give me the most political

1159
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: answer ever where he doesn't really answer, but it is

1160
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: a question that has come up Man, the more I

1161
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 2: think about it and trying to win now and thinking

1162
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: that you can pounce on whatever you had at the beginning

1163
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: of last year, is it worth giving up a top

1164
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: one hundred pick potentially to go get Jonathan Garnard or

1165
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: someone of that caliber who's approven commodity in this league.

1166
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: So a lot of decisions still awaits, but boy, I

1167
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: feel like the avenues to finding good answers are kind

1168
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: of dwindling.

1169
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll do it one final time here on

1170
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: a Monday fan morning show, Kevin Bow and James Boyd,

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00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: Caleb Zuber