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Speaker 1: then yesterday I was at Channel thirteen and I heard

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Speaker 2: You know how you say, Jake, Thursday is when it's

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Speaker 2: like seventy degrees, It's like, oh, this is like San

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Speaker 2: Diego weather, three fifty seven days, sixty three days here, yep,

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Speaker 2: this is like Seattle weather.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Seattle for another two weeks though, yeah, because Seattle

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Speaker 1: then Seattle weather, truly, Eddie, truly Seattle weather is going

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this or not, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: but in Seattle, what you have is the Cascade Mountain

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Speaker 1: And so therefore the coastal breeze comes and takes up

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Speaker 1: just hangs as an eternal rain cloud over Seattle. That

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Speaker 1: was more info than you needed, right, But yes, you

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But good afternoon to you on a Tuesday. My name

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Speaker 1: is Jake Quarry Eddie Garrison. The other voice you just

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Speaker 1: heard it is Quary Company here on ninety three five

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Speaker 1: to get to today we will talk about the Colts

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. Guden toadg Have you been to the Rascular ready?

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Speaker 2: No, but you have brought in the rath Scalar mustard.

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Speaker 2: Is that what that is?

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Speaker 1: Yes? That is the sant Elmo shrimp cocktail sauce. Is

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Speaker 1: what in Indianapolis, in particular, people that are like not

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Speaker 1: from Indy that come to India think of that as

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Speaker 1: the sinus cleanser. I'm telling you that mustard at the

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Speaker 1: rats Scaler is absolutely no joke. And if you go

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Speaker 1: to the Rascaler to the beer garden there Mike, best

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Speaker 1: drum silos they have there. I love the Rads Scaler

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Speaker 1: that has sold out. But the Colt's going to be

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Speaker 1: in Germany. Colts are oh and two in Europe?

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Speaker 4: Right, Uh?

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Speaker 2: Didn't they win two years ago against New England?

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Speaker 1: Did they beat New England and Frankfurt or was that Carolina?

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Speaker 1: Now it was New England. I thought they. I thought

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Speaker 1: they're oh and two. Somebody looked this up. I know

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Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty sure they won in Frankfurt, New

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Speaker 1: The third trip over, right, so one on one, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they won ten to six. Okay, boy, that was a

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Speaker 2: That was the game where Josh downs was like on

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Speaker 1: I barely remember that, but it's probably because I went

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Speaker 1: and I do believe I have a very very unpopular

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Speaker 2: Used anymore, right, Jake, Roasted is not used anymore. The

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Speaker 1: For what, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, A so that you wouldn't say, like, man, that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you would maybe like ten years ago, but not anymore.

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Speaker 1: It will be polarizing. How's that it will be critiqued.

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Speaker 1: It will be critiqued. But let's begin with polarizing and

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Speaker 1: critiqued last night with Miles Turner, And there we played

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Speaker 1: Tyrese Haliburton in totality, and if you listen to that

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Speaker 1: reception that was heard inside of Gambridge Fieldhouse last night

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Speaker 1: you again to WTHR for having me on. I went

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Speaker 1: on there and Dustin Groves, who is there four o'clock anchor,

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Speaker 1: there and sitting there watching it. And Ron Epple is

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Speaker 1: And this is not because of injury. An overly talented

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Speaker 1: And there's something to be said about that, and that

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Speaker 5: Man, It was frustrating. You know, just you know, you

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Speaker 5: give ten years of your life, your blood, you swear

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Speaker 5: your tears, you take pay cuts, you survive trade rumors.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people will say I said things,

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Speaker 5: But I think a lot of people want to formulate

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Speaker 5: to be. But it is what it is. Man Like

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Speaker 5: I say, you know, you take it on the chains.

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Speaker 6: Move on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he didn't take it on the chin. Miles Turner

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Speaker 1: right there is lying to you. He's lying to you.

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Speaker 1: He didn't take it on the chin. He took it

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Speaker 1: begin with this. It's ingenuous to say otherwise or to

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Speaker 1: but he's wrong in this one. He's wrong in being

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Speaker 1: surprised by it, he's wrong in being offended by it.

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Speaker 1: And if he didn't expect it and anticipate it, then

435
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Speaker 1: there's all the more reason why the Pacers didn't offer

436
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Speaker 1: him a long term, big time deal because there was

437
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Speaker 1: still growing up to do, and they just decided that

438
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Speaker 1: it might as well happen on somebody else's watch. I

439
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Speaker 1: thought last night, the Pacers, despite the it was a

440
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Speaker 1: disappointing outcome, and Giannis made an unbelievable shot, continued to

441
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Speaker 1: exhibit the things that this city, this fan base has

442
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Speaker 1: fallen in love with, and Miles Turner got to witness it,

443
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Speaker 1: and deep down, I think he knows it. Deep down,

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Speaker 1: I think he knows it. And after the game, I

445
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Speaker 1: did see him giving a lot of handshakes and hugs

446
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Speaker 1: to different people. But deep down, the reason he was hurt,

447
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: the reason he was hurt, the reason he felt it

448
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Speaker 1: was a slap in the face, is because in reality

449
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Speaker 1: he still has that same love that everybody else has

450
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Speaker 1: about this city and that franchise, and he felt slighted

451
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Speaker 1: that he wasn't a part of it. And I get it,

452
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Speaker 1: I get it. But it was loud, the booze were lowed.

453
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Speaker 1: No question Colts getting ready to go overseas and the

454
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Speaker 1: intangibles that go into that, the things that go into

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Speaker 1: an NFL team, and why it is the Colts are

456
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Speaker 1: going back now to Berlin. Did the NFL pick? Did

457
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Speaker 1: the Colts request it? It's a home game? How does

458
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Speaker 1: that work out? Does that mean that they get like

459
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Speaker 1: all of the Sauerkraft sales? I don't know. So we're

460
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Speaker 1: gonna go to West fifty sixth Street and find out

461
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Speaker 1: some of that next So the Colts will be in Berlin.

462
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Speaker 1: Now we need to brush up on our German Eddie.

463
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Speaker 1: All I know so far is gutenthog. Right, Yeah, that's

464
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Speaker 1: all I know. And that's good day. That is good day. Right,

465
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Speaker 1: there's got to be a good evening. Now did you

466
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Speaker 1: say that Ben is already in Berlin? He is okay,

467
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Speaker 1: so it we'd be good afternoon. Ben Guerrero is the

468
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Speaker 1: director of International for Marketing and Community Impact for the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts and joins us on the job of the

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Speaker 1: house Peel and poor guest line Ben. What other German

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Speaker 1: phrases do we know besides Gutenthog?

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Speaker 8: I don't know if we could say him on the radio,

473
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Speaker 8: but we've got a lot of gutens Guten Morgan's morning

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Speaker 8: and guten aben is good evening.

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Speaker 1: So do you know all kinds of profanities in German?

476
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Speaker 1: Also was that imploied there?

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Speaker 8: But it seems to be the first thing people teach

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Speaker 8: you here.

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Speaker 1: So all right, fair enough, let's begin with this in

480
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Speaker 1: pardon my naivete, but I do find this interesting, okay,

481
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Speaker 1: Director of international in terms of marketing and community impact. Now,

482
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Speaker 1: I'm no Rhodes scholar, but that tells me that your

483
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Speaker 1: job is to continue the marketing from an international standpoint

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Speaker 1: for the Indianapolis Colts. Do you find I mean, obviously

485
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Speaker 1: there's a concerted effort from a European standpoint, But what

486
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Speaker 1: other I guess avenues and or challenges does that job

487
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Speaker 1: and that title have in terms of the growth of

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Speaker 1: the colts.

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Speaker 8: Oh, I think we're learning a lot of that right now,

490
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Speaker 8: especially with the Berlin game. I think, you know, there's

491
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Speaker 8: obviously cultural differences, but you know, just in terms of

492
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Speaker 8: getting permits and getting approvals to do things that we

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Speaker 8: can do and maybe even take for granted the US

494
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Speaker 8: not quite the same process here in Germany. So you know,

495
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Speaker 8: we're trying to put on a great time for fans,

496
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Speaker 8: but there's a lot more we'll call it red tape

497
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Speaker 8: to jump through to make something happen over here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's get to this Ben when you talk

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Speaker 1: about the things that you're putting on for fans that

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Speaker 1: are coming over, because this is technically a cults home game,

501
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Speaker 1: correct correct? Okay, So for the fans that are coming over,

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Speaker 1: people from Indianapolis that may be coming over. Are there

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Speaker 1: events that you are trying to plan or things that

504
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Speaker 1: you're trying to do, you know, for people to be

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Speaker 1: able to celebrate the Colts once they are in Berlin.

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Speaker 1: And what would that calendar be of things that may

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Speaker 1: be taking place.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely. We want to make this a celebration of

509
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Speaker 8: not just you know, American football, but the Colts and

510
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Speaker 8: keep fans from other countries but also from the US

511
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Speaker 8: excited and really you know, prepare for the game. We

512
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Speaker 8: have events pretty much starting all week, but on Thursday

513
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Speaker 8: through Sunday, we're really going to try to hit things

514
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Speaker 8: hard here with what we're calling our Colts Fan Zone.

515
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Speaker 8: It's downtown, right in the middle of central Berlin. We'll

516
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Speaker 8: have two different team pubs. We've got kind of some

517
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Speaker 8: football activities and some entertainment and DJs, have got some

518
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Speaker 8: alumni coming over, some cult legends and just a general

519
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 8: you know, trying to bring some of that tailgate culture

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Speaker 8: to Berlin, and it's something that we've found the Germans

521
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Speaker 8: do or there's a huge fascination with the tailgate culture.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the team itself been and for you know, for

523
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Speaker 1: the marketing standpoint, you guys obviously you know, will be

524
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Speaker 1: there by Thursday for the team, and maybe this is

525
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Speaker 1: more a question for the football operations standpoint or side

526
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Speaker 1: of it, but do they treat it like any other

527
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Speaker 1: road game in terms of their travel and arrival days

528
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Speaker 1: or does this necessitate for the roster or the administration

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Speaker 1: itself to get there earlier to be able to partake

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Speaker 1: in appearance or any of the things that go on

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Speaker 1: in Berlin.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think, you know, the

533
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Speaker 8: NFL led games, so most of the international games are

534
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Speaker 8: NFL led. I think the Jaguars are the only team

535
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Speaker 8: that played two, and one of them is a fully

536
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 8: Jaguar game, if you will. But for the NFL led games,

537
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Speaker 8: which is what this Berlin game is, there's a lot

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Speaker 8: of you know, media and things like that the team

539
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Speaker 8: has to go through when they land. So they'll get

540
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Speaker 8: in Friday morning and you know, go through some walkthroughs

541
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Speaker 8: and team practice things and then they'll get you some

542
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Speaker 8: of that media out of the way, just really trying

543
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Speaker 8: to promote the game here in the new market and

544
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Speaker 8: then create that excitement for the German culture too. So

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Speaker 8: it's a little it's a little different, you know. I

546
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Speaker 8: think every team kind of looks at it in a

547
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Speaker 8: different way. I think I even saw the rams for

548
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Speaker 8: the one of their games. They flew in the day before,

549
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Speaker 8: which is kind of a new new thing. Teams usually

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Speaker 8: they like to try to get in a little bit

551
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Speaker 8: earlier with the time zone change. But yeah, the team

552
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 8: will get in Friday, and then from right there, it's

553
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Speaker 8: it's kind of it's kind of sprint mode for the

554
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Speaker 8: rest of the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Hey, how's the weather over there?

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Speaker 8: It's dark, It gets dark very early over here. But

557
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Speaker 8: that'll push people to our pubs hopefully. So it's a

558
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Speaker 8: little little chilly, but it's a good football weather.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So we're basically I mean, I would assume pretty

560
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: similar to what India has right now. I mean for

561
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: people that are coming over and what they need to

562
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Speaker 1: prepare for what like in the forties, probably yeah.

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Speaker 8: I'll say like probably forties, fifties. You know, sweater weather

564
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Speaker 8: for sure, you know, bring some beanies if you got them,

565
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 8: and otherwise it's been pretty pleasant though during the day

566
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 8: suns out, we haven't had any rain, so yeah, it's

567
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 8: really exciting.

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Speaker 1: Ben Guerrero is our guest. He's the director of International

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Speaker 1: Marketing and Community Impact before the Colts. He's on the

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Speaker 1: Java House, Peel and Poor Guest line. Colts and Falcons

571
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Speaker 1: coming up Berlin on Sunday. Ben, do you guys do

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Speaker 1: much in terms of working in partnership with the Falcons

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Speaker 1: franchise as well and some of the prep work that

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Speaker 1: you have to do or is it pretty much totally

575
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Speaker 1: each franchise on their own.

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Speaker 8: It's interesting internationally obviously domestically, teams have their territories that

577
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Speaker 8: they kind of have to stick to, but it's kind

578
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Speaker 8: of a it's kind of everyone for themselves over here

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Speaker 8: in the international side. So we do have some teams

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Speaker 8: that we work pretty closely with, but for the most part,

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Speaker 8: everything we do is kind of on our own. You know,

582
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Speaker 8: we try to, you know, where we can maybe join forces,

583
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 8: maybe on a watch party or something like that, but

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Speaker 8: for the most part, we've kind of been over here

585
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Speaker 8: trying to do things on our own, and you know,

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Speaker 8: we we do a couple of little things with the Falcons,

587
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Speaker 8: but for the most part, it's going to be all

588
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Speaker 8: cults over here.

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Speaker 1: How do the Colts get picked for this?

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Speaker 8: That is a great question. I think it's a little

591
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Speaker 8: bit of you know, we we we've had Germany as

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Speaker 8: kind of one of our focuses Internationally, it's a huge

593
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Speaker 8: growing interest in football and a lot of connections obviously

594
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Speaker 8: with Indiana to So it's definitely something that the NFL

595
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 8: makes the final decision, but I'm sure we we definitely

596
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 8: wanted to try to make you know, sway their decision

597
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Speaker 8: a little bit if we could, so you know, you

598
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 8: kind of raise your hands say we're interested. And also

599
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 8: there's also requirements in terms of teams every few years

600
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Speaker 8: have to host the game, and we haven't had hosted

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Speaker 8: one yet, so we were kind of on the clock,

602
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Speaker 8: and you know, obviously with the first regular season game

603
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Speaker 8: ever in Berlin, it was a great opportunity for us,

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Speaker 8: So we're really excited.

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Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting to me, Ben or I guess that

606
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Speaker 1: I become overly intrigued by, is the fact that this

607
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Speaker 1: is again a quote unquote home game, meaning it's one

608
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Speaker 1: less game that would normally otherwise be in Lucas Royle Stadium.

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Speaker 1: So does that mean that the ticket sales even if

610
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Speaker 1: a guy, you know, two guys in Berlin that are like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, let's just go and check out American football,

612
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: and so they go and they buy two tickets, does

613
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Speaker 1: that mean that a bigger percentage of the revenue goes

614
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Speaker 1: to Indianapolis versus Atlanta.

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Speaker 8: That is a great question. I think it's it's it

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Speaker 8: is a Cults home game, but it's really kind of

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Speaker 8: an NFL led game. So there's a lot more kind

618
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Speaker 8: of from the NFL side in terms of the tickets,

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Speaker 8: in terms of concessions all that. So we do get

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Speaker 8: a person us in the Falcons get a position or

621
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Speaker 8: a portion of those tickets, but the NFL, for the

622
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 8: most part controls all those aspects. And you know, that's

623
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Speaker 8: what we've kind of been learning as we go here.

624
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Speaker 1: How big a stadium is it.

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Speaker 8: It's going to hold between probably sixty five and seventy.

626
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Speaker 8: So we were at a We went to the soccer

627
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 8: match's last Saturday just to get an idea, and it

628
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Speaker 8: was about seventy four for soccer. But I think it's

629
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Speaker 8: going to be a little bit less for football.

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Speaker 1: So probably in the upper sixties those soccer fans hooligans, right,

631
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Speaker 1: are they hooligans? Did you see fights for the hooligans?

632
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Speaker 8: He actually were told to leave early because it was

633
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 8: going to be a rowdy post game when we were told.

634
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go the Miles Turner of Berlin was returning

635
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: Eddie after having spurned them. Now he's over playing for

636
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: the Frankfurt club and people were just living over it. Right,

637
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: Things got a little bit testing, but so Ben the

638
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: In terms of the tickets itself, sixty five seventy thousand,

639
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Speaker 1: is is this a sold out game? I'm going to

640
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: realize now, Like it's not like people are going to

641
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I'm just going to hop on the

642
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: burden Indie and buy a ticket tomorrow. It gets a

643
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Speaker 1: little pricey. But is it sold out? And what percentage

644
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Speaker 1: of tickets or would you know? So, are people that

645
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Speaker 1: are German that have not seen football before it is

646
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Speaker 1: sold out?

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Speaker 8: It's definitely something when we've been over here, it's been

648
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 8: a very hard to get for people to get I

649
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Speaker 8: would say there's probably it's definitely less than fifty percent German.

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Speaker 8: Like there's a lot of other countries that are are

651
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Speaker 8: over here that also you know, buy into it, including

652
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Speaker 8: Colt fan Falcons fans. So I think it's probably going

653
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 8: to be fifty to fifty around that. But there's a

654
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Speaker 8: lot of German fans that you know, have not experienced

655
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Speaker 8: live football. This is kind of a bucket list for them,

656
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Speaker 8: and you know, it's it's very fascinating to see the

657
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Speaker 8: interest in American football over here.

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Speaker 1: Had you been over there before, I mean, obviously I

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Speaker 1: would assume for in preparation for this, but prior to this,

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Speaker 1: you know, announcement between Indianapolis Colts and Berlin, had you

661
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Speaker 1: been over there.

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Speaker 8: Ben, So, I had not been to Germany before this

663
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Speaker 8: rule and then I've been in this position for sixteen

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Speaker 8: months and then over to Germany eight times now because

665
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Speaker 8: of some sight visits. So we've definitely been in Berlin

666
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Speaker 8: creating content and trying to find some venues for all

667
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 8: of our parties and everything like that, and so it's

668
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Speaker 8: been it's been fun to learn, but definitely been over

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Speaker 8: here a lot. Now it'll have a few.

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Speaker 1: Months, everything pretty centralized in terms of for fans that

671
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Speaker 1: are coming over, I want to go over this one

672
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Speaker 1: more time. In relation to the stadium, and where the

673
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Speaker 1: fan zone events and the pubs are going to be.

674
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Speaker 1: Is it pretty fan friendly or is it something that

675
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Speaker 1: you're going to spread out and maybe take advantage of

676
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Speaker 1: mass trains that and uber and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 8: I would definitely say for Game Day that mass trans

678
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 8: it's the best way to go. Is that the train

679
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 8: system is. They're very used to it for the soccer matches.

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Speaker 8: But our pubs and all of our activations are in

681
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Speaker 8: central Berlin right pretty much in the middle of the city,

682
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Speaker 8: so we really wanted to make it a one stop

683
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Speaker 8: shop you could come. I mean, we've even got these

684
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Speaker 8: cults rickshaws. It'll take you from bar to bars. What

685
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 8: fun take advantage of those. And yeah, we're right in

686
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Speaker 8: the middle of Berlin the rickshaws.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Newman and Kramer got the ricks off

688
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Speaker 1: thing going in Berlin. I like it. Ben, We appreciate it. Man,

689
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Speaker 1: enjoy it over there. And then now, how do you

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Speaker 1: say you said gooden? Tog is that's good day? Right?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

692
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 8: Like good day, good afternoon?

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Speaker 1: Have you learned? How do you say goodbye? Do we

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Speaker 1: know that truth? Jeucee truth? Yes? Okay, all right, well

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Speaker 1: we'll give you now no hold on that's like trus

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Speaker 1: or chuse.

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Speaker 8: It's like a t s h u sound like chew,

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Speaker 8: like chuse.

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Speaker 1: Eddie. Eddie is staring at me.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of chow out here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, chow. The Italians are big on that too. All right,

702
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Speaker 1: we'll give you a chow ben uh, but certainly enjoy it.

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Speaker 7: All right, Yeah, thanks, appreciate that chow choose.

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Speaker 1: Seeah, we did that, Eddie chow choice. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you know this or not, but on this program,

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Speaker 1: we'd like to educate and entertain. We like for people

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Speaker 1: to become bilingual, like I just know this. For example,

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Speaker 1: earlier I said I have an opinion that's going to

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Speaker 1: get me roasted, and everybody said, no, no, no, you need

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00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: to say cooked. The kids say cooked. Now, I'm not

711
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: overly concerned about, you know, the street cred that I

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Speaker 1: can get amongst those of the fifteen to twenty two crowd,

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Speaker 1: but demographically speaking, the sales department would like me to

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Speaker 1: do so, so I'm trying to get younger. So therefore,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to come back. I'm going to give you

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Speaker 1: an opinion about tonight's college football playoff ranking, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to get cooked.

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Speaker 2: For it, but first you need to thank Ben for

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Speaker 1: Of fact, because even though we gave him the choice

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Speaker 1: and the chow, you can always, by the way, at

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get cooked based on what the kids

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Speaker 1: say about an opinion I have. So with the Colts

734
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Speaker 1: being in Berlin, and yes I have a take on

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Speaker 1: the college football playoffs, that will get me cooked. But

736
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Speaker 1: if you're going to go over to Berlin, perhaps you're

737
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Speaker 1: gonna cook with a jahre slough which is known as

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Speaker 1: the hunter's sauce, or perhaps a ramso, which is a

739
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Speaker 1: cream sauce might be for example, that hanichs Barriga klomps

740
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Speaker 1: is your favorite sauce. That's a creamy white sauce made

741
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Speaker 1: with capers, traditionally served with German meatballs. Eddie. I don't

742
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Speaker 1: know which sauce it might be when it comes to

743
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: German sauces that one might prefer as a Colts fan

744
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: when they go over, But it turns out that the

745
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: Colts actually will be taking their own, if you will,

746
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Speaker 1: not one but two first round picks are on their

747
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Speaker 1: way to New York, specifically New Jersey, I guess technically

748
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Speaker 1: speaking in exchange for Sauce Gardner, who in forty eight

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Speaker 1: games in the National Football League has started all forty

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Speaker 1: eight of them for the New York Jets, one of

751
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Speaker 1: the best when it comes to and that is the

752
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Speaker 1: reason that he is in the midst of a four year,

753
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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty point five million dollar extension with

754
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Speaker 1: the Jets. The Detroit native, who is a corner, is

755
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: on his way to Indianapolis now as a cult a

756
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Speaker 1: blockbuster deal here and the NFL trade deadline, it is

757
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: hard to think that there will be a bigger deal

758
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Speaker 1: that comes on this NFL trade deadline day. Sauce Gardner

759
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Speaker 1: so far in his career. As I had mentioned, when

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Speaker 1: it comes to forty eight games played, has forty eight starts,

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Speaker 1: and along with that he has a total of I'm

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Speaker 1: looking here, what three interceptions. He is kind of a

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Speaker 1: lockdown guy where you don't necessarily throw in his direction.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Jake, that number is a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit hard to gauge.

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Speaker 2: He was a defensive Rookie of the Year in twenty

767
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Speaker 2: twenty two. Of course, he played college at Cincinnati with

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Speaker 2: Alec Pearce, who was the fourth overall pick in the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two NFL Draft. He's a two to I'm

770
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Speaker 2: first team All Pro member, two time Pro bowler, just

771
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Speaker 2: another lockdown corner. It makes you wonder about the future

772
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: of Travarious Word right now, at least for this season

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Speaker 2: for the Indianapolis coltson It's a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: head scratcher in the regard to me, Jake, I understand

775
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Speaker 2: that you want to go get another lockdown corner, but

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Speaker 2: I felt like maybe pass rusher was probably a more

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Speaker 2: premier need for this team right now than another corner.

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Speaker 2: Right not complaining just because of the you know, the

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Speaker 2: talent that saw Springs and the the level of ball

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Speaker 2: I would say ball hawkingness. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 2: a word, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you look at some of the pass rush that

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Speaker 1: would have been available, okay, and getting to you know,

784
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Speaker 1: whether it be Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati, and look the

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00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: trade deadline still, we still have a couple of hours

786
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: left here, well into John's show before the clock will

787
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: strike midnight on the trade deadline. So it is entirely

788
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Speaker 1: possible that Chris Ballard is working the phone in regard

789
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Speaker 1: to that. But if you can't get pass rush, and

790
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Speaker 1: Liatu Latu is starting to show a little bit of

791
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: life there, right, But if you can't get pass rush,

792
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: then the second best thing is to make it so

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Speaker 1: that you get coverage sacks, and coverage sacks of course,

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Speaker 1: meaning that the longer a quarterback has to wait before

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Speaker 1: anybody can get themselves open, then the longer you are

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Speaker 1: giving your pass rush, albeit if it's one that's anemic,

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Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback. And perhaps that's what this

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Speaker 1: is is let's go ahead and just shut that down

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Speaker 1: in general. Now, the other thing to keep in mind

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Speaker 1: is if the Colts are willing to give up two

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Speaker 1: first round picks and they put themselves now in position

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Speaker 1: from a salary standpoint where you're taking on a big

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Speaker 1: ticket here in Sauce Gardner. But if the Colts are

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Speaker 1: looking at it and they're saying, this is a guy

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Speaker 1: that is a big time piece for us, and if

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Speaker 1: they feel truly like this is a piece that pushes

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Speaker 1: them in and gets them further along here of what

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00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: their goal and where they want to be, then that

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Speaker 1: first round pick becomes less valuable. And I know that

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00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but haven't we seen in the NFL draft?

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Speaker 1: How many times do we see where the cults are drafting,

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Speaker 1: you know, eighteen to thirty And in this case, they

813
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: are in position now, and Chris Ballard is probably looking

814
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Speaker 1: at it saying, you know what, if I get Sauce

815
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Speaker 1: Gardner and we stay healthy, then we are pushing in

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Speaker 1: now as a legitimate AFC contender and potential Super Bowl contender.

817
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Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then these two first round picks,

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Speaker 1: assuming it's in the next two years, are going to

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Speaker 1: be twenty nine, thirty thirty one somewhere in there. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, we are not going to get our

821
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: window right now. If you look at the Colts, he

822
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Speaker 1: clearly is thinking to himself. Our window right now is

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Speaker 1: let's say two to four years, and if that's the case,

824
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Speaker 1: then you get yourself a first rounder this year. And

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League a first rounder. We see

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Speaker 1: with the Leatu Latu, we see with Alec Pierce, which

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Speaker 1: I realized was the second rounder, but the first player

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Speaker 1: they selected that year. If you look at those players,

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Speaker 1: it takes in the National Football League one to two

830
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Speaker 1: and an oftentimes not in the year three before a

831
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Speaker 1: guy really starts to show who he is. You have

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Speaker 1: that now in Sauce Gardner. He's twenty five years old,

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Speaker 1: in the middle of a big time contract, no question.

834
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Speaker 1: But what you did, as you said, we are pushing

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Speaker 1: forward our timeline, and the Indianapolis Colts just declared. For

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Speaker 1: those of us that are talking about what do they

837
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Speaker 1: do with Daniel Jones, what do they do? The Colts

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Speaker 1: just determined our time is right now, Our window is

839
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Speaker 1: right now. We just opened it up, and Sauce Gardner

840
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Speaker 1: is on his way to Indianapolis again. So recently, I believe,

841
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: heading into this year, four year, one hundred and twenty

842
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: point five million dollar extension, and the Jets yesterday we

843
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: did the survey. Who's the worst team in the National

844
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Speaker 1: Football League probably the Jets. They're right up there. If

845
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: they're not the worst, they're among the four worst. So

846
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: the Jets are saying tear it down, rebuild it.

847
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Speaker 2: So as of right now, the Colts have one, two, three, four,

848
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Speaker 2: five more years of control of Sauce Gardner. They have

849
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Speaker 2: a potential out after the twenty twenty eight season heading

850
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Speaker 2: into the twenty twenty nine year.

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Speaker 1: So there you go. Reaction to that. We'll see what

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Speaker 1: that means for Steven Holder. And by the way, my

853
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: college football comment, Indiana should be the number one team.

854
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: Say what you want about Ohio State. Ohio State fans,

855
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: blow me up, cook me up, do whatever you want.

856
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: Indiana has the most impressive win of the year, and

857
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: the Indiana Hoosiers they won't be, But the Indiana Hoosiers

858
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: should be tonight the number one team and the very

859
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: first college football rankings, which usually doesn't mean much anyway,

860
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: because I think Mississippi State was one year. What's it mean? Right?

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll come back, we'll see if we can

862
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Speaker 1: get ahold of Steven your thoughts. Sauce Gardner a cult two, nine,

863
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: ten seventy next. Okay, So, let's get right to it, Todd,

864
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: Moe John, We will get to all of you. But

865
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: the big story, if you are just joining us today,

866
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: if the Colts are going to claim their real estate

867
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: now amongst the top of the AFC, they now have

868
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: the Gardener to go with it, because Sauce Gardner, it

869
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: would appear, is a piece that they think can get

870
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: them there. They are sending two first round picks to

871
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: the New York Jets for the twenty five year old

872
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: corner who has led the NFL in past deflections. He

873
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: has started all forty eight games that he has played

874
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: in the National Football League heading into this year. Steven

875
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: Holder joining us now, Java House, Peel andpor guest line

876
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: from ESPN dot com. Stephen. There is some report that

877
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: Ady Mitchell is also part of this deal and on

878
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: his way to New York. Let's begin with that. Are

879
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: you hearing that aspect of this?

880
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 4: I don't have the details confirmed yet, so now I

881
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 4: will tell you that I have been speculating for a

882
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: while that ad Mitchell could be a party to any

883
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 4: trade conversation the Colts would have because he is one

884
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 4: of the few pieces I think that they would be

885
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 4: willing to part with so let's see if we can

886
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: get all the loose end side up. But that wouldn't

887
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 4: stun me. Let's be honest. You can look at his

888
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 4: snap counts, so you can see how much or how little, frankly,

889
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: he's playing. That's not a secret. So let's see, though

890
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: I will not I cannot confirm that just yet.

891
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to part two of this, and that

892
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: is Sauce Gardener the other You know, when you look

893
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: at Sauce Gardner, Shaverarius mooney Ward, and you know obviously

894
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: Kenny Moore, that is a pretty stout room. But is

895
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: there the possibility that this move tells us something about

896
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: mooney Ward and his availability or concern about that because

897
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: of the fact that he has the two concussi and

898
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: it's still in protocol.

899
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 4: No, not at all. He will be back.

900
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 2: In place of correct In fact, I mean.

901
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 4: There's a there's a strong chance. I think he's eligible

902
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 4: after the bye and if I'm not mistaken to come back,

903
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 4: if I have my my dates right. But when the

904
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: four games he misses could in fact be the extent

905
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 4: of his absence talking about mooney Ward, so this is

906
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 4: going to be on paper one hell of the secondary

907
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: the best I've seen in my time, at least on

908
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: paper with covering this Indianapolis Colts team. So I'm listen.

909
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 4: I had been told from the highest levels they were

910
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 4: looking at defensive ends. Uh, they were getting shut down

911
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 4: and for the most part that those conversations didn't go anywhere.

912
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 4: This is last week, so they have been trying for

913
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks now to land an impact player,

914
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 4: but wasn't going anywhere. And so they were also checking

915
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: in on corners. Most of the corners who have been

916
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 4: moved in the last week or so have been slot corners.

917
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: They don't need that. They love Kenny Morriy's having a

918
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 4: great year. So they just weren't finding workable deals to

919
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 4: get them what they wanted. But they were trying. They

920
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 4: were trying pretty hard. I didn't think they were trying

921
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 4: soft gardner hard, but they were trying to get a

922
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 4: player of substance. And this is certainly that.

923
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: Okay, Steven the because here's what I said earlier, And

924
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: tell me if you if you agree with this or

925
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: if this gives was your thought on it, we could

926
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: sit there and talk about pass rush.

927
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: So, by the way, real quick, real quick, we're now

928
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 4: he is can confirming yes, Ady Mitchell is a part

929
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 4: of this deal. I think that's frankly good for him,

930
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: give him a fresh start.

931
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: Frankly, Eddie, do you have the breaking new sounder please?

932
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: Steven Older an ESPN reporting that Ady Mitchell is part

933
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: of the trade that sends Sauce Gardner to Indianapolis. That

934
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: now official though, but so flippantly playing that. But so, Stephen,

935
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: I was talking about pass rush and I think this

936
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: jives with what you're saying there. If you can't go

937
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: out and leat Tu Latou is starting to show a

938
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: little bit right. Sometimes it takes first rounders a while,

939
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: but you've got to Forest Buckner, you've got Quity Pay,

940
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: who I think is a guy, and then you've got

941
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, leat Tu Latou. There. It makes things an

942
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: awful lot easier now if you can get more coverage

943
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: sacks and you now are basically putting it in a

944
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: position where quarterbacks are going to have to stand in

945
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: that pocket for a while and you just bought more

946
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: time for that pass rush to get to them. So

947
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: this indirectly addresses that need.

948
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 4: Correct Oh listen, I've been saying for actually a couple

949
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 4: of weeks now or several weeks. I firmly believe if

950
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 4: they had a more if they had a more solid

951
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 4: starting group in the secondary, that that pass rush would

952
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 4: be a lot better. And it's it's not anybody's fault.

953
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 4: I mean, there have been just a litany of injuries, okay,

954
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 4: and they have been playing in some cases. I'm just

955
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 4: gonna be honest, they've been playing practice squad level corners

956
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 4: before Jalen Jones came back this this past game. So

957
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 4: I think you have to factor that into the evaluation

958
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 4: of that pass rush, right, I mean, they're they're playing

959
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 4: with the with one half of the equation. It is

960
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 4: you have to have both the rush and cover, right,

961
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 4: That is what Tony Dungee always talked about. Well, they

962
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 4: have the rush, they didn't have the cover. So now

963
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 4: you're bringing in the cover and this in this new acquisition.

964
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 4: And then you're gonna also get two years ago, what

965
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 4: was an all Pro guy in Mooney Ward back in

966
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks. I mean, that changes the entire calculus.

967
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: If you are an opposing quarterback Patrick Patrick mahone's going

968
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 4: to turn the film on now and be like, well,

969
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 4: shoot this is gonna be different right when they come

970
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 4: back from the by So yeah, I like this. It's aggressive.

971
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: Two first round picks is a lot. I don't know,

972
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 4: We'll see. We may one day feel differently about.

973
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: It, right, Stephen, But theoretically, would you agree with this?

974
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard is looking at it and saying, you know what, Look,

975
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: nobody covets draft position more than Chris Ballard. But he

976
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: also has to look at this and say, presumably this

977
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: is These aren't top ten picks. I mean, if Sauce

978
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: Gardner is able to play and be healthy, you're talking

979
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: about surrendering a couple of late twenties, early thirties picks, right.

980
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean right now, unless they go in the tank,

981
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 4: they're picking in the low twenties, right right. So, I mean,

982
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I think that you can maneuver

983
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: up and down the draft board, get you, you know,

984
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 4: steal you a couple of higher picks, move around, you know,

985
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 4: get you a second second round pick or something. I

986
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 4: think there are ways to account for that and to

987
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 4: make up for that, you know. And look, Chris board

988
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 4: is very good drafter. I think, regardless of what you

989
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 4: think about him, that remains true.

990
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: He does.

991
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: He does a good job in the draft. I mean,

992
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 4: look at their current team. This is a homegrown team

993
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 4: and they're seven and two. So whatever you think of

994
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 4: Chris Ballard, you have to say, look, he drafted these

995
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 4: guys all up and down the roster who are killing

996
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 4: it right now, right So, but I think this goes

997
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 4: to show you that this is a special opportunity they

998
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 4: feel that they have this year. That's my big takeaway

999
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 4: here is that Chris Balard's never been here. Okay, he

1000
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 4: has never been here with the best record in the NFL,

1001
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 4: and it changes all of your all of your your

1002
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 4: approach to things. It changes when you have a unique situation.

1003
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: Steven Holder, And I know we got to let you

1004
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: run here in a second, Stephen, because it's I can

1005
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: only imagine how busy you are, Java House, Peel and

1006
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: poor guest. Line is where we're talking to Stephen from

1007
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: ESPN dot com. A couple of things real quick. Number one,

1008
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: do you anticipate this is the end in terms of

1009
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard for today or do you think they are

1010
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: going to be more moves now in the four pm deadline?

1011
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 4: Probably it, but I can't rule it out. Like I said,

1012
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 4: they were looking at pass rush and let's say, if

1013
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 4: something comes available, I mean, I think they'll look at it.

1014
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 4: So we'll see. I think these last couple hours, you know,

1015
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 4: the deadlines spur action, so they had been looking before.

1016
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 4: Would they just up and stop looking now? I don't

1017
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 4: know that. I'm prepared to say that. So let's see

1018
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 4: how this goes the next couple hours.

1019
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: Steven.

1020
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: Have you guys already chatted with lou Animo.

1021
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: Today?

1022
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 4: We did just before this came out. We did a

1023
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 4: shot and he had to have known. But yeah, he

1024
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 4: did a good job of not letting off, so good for.

1025
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: Him, Steven. The other side of this would be this,

1026
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: had you heard I mean, obviously the Jets are in

1027
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: a position where it's probably rebuild time, but had you

1028
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: heard any rumblings that sauce Gardener was somebody that was

1029
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: going to be made available? And what does it tell

1030
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: you from the New York side about sauce Gardner?

1031
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 4: I guess you know, look, they I think there have

1032
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 4: been there's been a little bit of ups and downs

1033
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 4: with him, right, he had that brilliant rookie season and

1034
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 4: then a couple injuries, maybe just sort of some middling

1035
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 4: play you know, I don't. I haven't watched him, you know,

1036
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 4: certainly intimately every week, but you know, I do think

1037
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 4: there's sometimes a player like that maybe a reset can

1038
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 4: be good for you, right. I'm not saying that he

1039
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 4: was some kind of malcontent and I don't know what

1040
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 4: the inner workings were there and what was going on

1041
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 4: with him, but I think this is certainly going to

1042
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 4: be an opportunity for him, you know, to go play

1043
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 4: for a team that thinks thinks they're contending this year.

1044
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 4: I mean, if that doesn't get you going, I don't

1045
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 4: know what else will. So I expect him to come

1046
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 4: in here and see this as an opportunity.

1047
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: Steven. When will the team head to Berlin and will

1048
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner be with him?

1049
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 4: Well, still working through confirming that, but I think the

1050
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 4: odds are good that he will be with them.

1051
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

1052
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 4: They leave Thursday night, so uh they need to get

1053
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 4: his butt on a plane as soon as possible and

1054
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 4: see if they can make this happen. I don't I

1055
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 4: don't think you you make this deal and you say, well,

1056
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 4: let's just let's just wait around. No, I mean you

1057
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 4: get to it, right, I mean, Michael Parsons got traded

1058
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 4: and played a couple of days later, if I recall, right,

1059
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 4: and so you know, I don't think this is necessarily

1060
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 4: any different, assuming he's healthy and hadn't you know, didn't

1061
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 4: get banged up this week or anything like that. So,

1062
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 4: but not a promise. It is a lot to ask,

1063
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 4: right to fly here from New York, get on a

1064
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 4: plane in Berlin and play two days later. That's a lot.

1065
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: But they can just pick him up on the layover.

1066
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: They probably they got a layover at JFK on the way, right,

1067
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: they just pick him up.

1068
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 4: And then yeah, look the ersa family has two jets,

1069
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 4: like you know, send.

1070
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 3: Them one, damn it fair?

1071
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 4: All right, they have an extra jet, right, send the

1072
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 4: other jet.

1073
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: That's that's right, they've got that's right, they've got well,

1074
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: let's and they got two jets. Now they got a third, right,

1075
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's be real here. They just got one,

1076
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: all right, Steven, appreciate it, Goo, I appreciate the time

1077
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: as always.

1078
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 4: All right, thanks for the dad joke.

1079
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: That's right, that's what I do. I'm the only guy

1080
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: with no kids that has dad jokes all over the place.

1081
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: Stephen Holder Jamis Jaba House Peel and poor guest line,

1082
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: I have no kids. Did you have dad jokes?

1083
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: I've got dad jokes all the time.

1084
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: Jake Todd two seventy joining us Sauce Gardner a cult.

1085
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: What's up, Todd, team manager of the Blind Squirrels. Oh true, Okay,

1086
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: let's hope this is a better move than some of

1087
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: your fantasy moves that you made at the Chicago's Pizza

1088
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: Fantasy Draft. But I'm right there with you, Todd, so

1089
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm not throwing.

1090
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 9: Stone Herd actually won two games in a row. But hey,

1091
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 9: none the less, Hey, I think this would be what's

1092
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 9: the what's the parlance? And this this nineteen, this this century.

1093
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 9: This is a splash move. I would say it's not

1094
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 9: Eric Dickerson, but it's every bit of just every bit

1095
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 9: of a Forrest Bucker move. I would suggest you mentioned

1096
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 9: something because I was kind of thinking the same thing

1097
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 9: you were about Ward. If they knew something about Ward

1098
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 9: two consecutive concussions and not being able to come back.

1099
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 9: But I mean, this is the other thing is is

1100
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 9: that I think going into the year, Ballard was kind

1101
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 9: of playing for his job, and now I think he's

1102
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 9: probably he's probably secured his job going forward. I would

1103
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 9: be curious as to your guy's opinion on that. But

1104
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 9: this is obviously a big, a big move for the

1105
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 9: Colts defensively. And then how much money is he going

1106
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 9: to give Josh Downs to take over the number one jersey.

1107
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: True on the roster. True. Now here's the thing, Todd,

1108
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Good points all around. Right number one,

1109
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: let's begin with this. In terms of Chris Ballard, I

1110
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: have no idea, but this move implies that, as Steven

1111
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: Holder just said, Chris Ballard is in new territory with Indianapolis,

1112
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: and he believes they have the team right now to

1113
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: push in and the window is there. The window is now.

1114
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: He's twenty five years old, Sauce Gardner, and he is

1115
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: in the midst of a big time contract. But they

1116
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: just pushed all in. And if they're gonna send two

1117
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: first rounders and Adie Mitchell away, then they're pushing all in. Secondly,

1118
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: in terms of Ballard's job security, I think it's secured

1119
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: because number one, the results are there. Number Two, when

1120
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: you look at and I don't know this, I'm going

1121
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: strictly off of just observation. But for Carly Orse Gordon

1122
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: and the Colts, you would be in a situation where

1123
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: this is new to her as well, in terms of

1124
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: being where the buck stops and seeing the example of

1125
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: her father and knowing what Chris Ballard meant to her dad.

1126
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: My assumption would be that when you are going into

1127
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: now a brand new situation, and yes, Carli ors Gordon,

1128
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: there are going to be many areas we have already

1129
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 1: seen where she has put her thumbprint on things within

1130
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: the franchise and some of the changes off roster non

1131
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: football operation in terms of personnel and those things that

1132
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: have taken place. But when it comes to the primary

1133
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,959
Speaker 1: purpose of the family business, which is football, I think

1134
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: you would most feel comfort and relying on the person

1135
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: with which you are most familiar. And I think it

1136
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: would be an awfully daunting task immediately upon taking over

1137
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: a football franchise to within a year then have to

1138
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: go out and find someone new to run the franchise

1139
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: and the football operations, and I think there would be

1140
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: a safety and a comfort and familiarity there. And so

1141
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: long as things looked remotely towards the right direction, Ballard

1142
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: was going to be back for that reason. And now

1143
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: obviously it looks beyond remotely in the right direction. It

1144
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: looks like they are pushing all in, and that leads

1145
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: me to believe if you're going to push all in

1146
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: at this point, I think Ballard, Yes, this does not

1147
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: look like Somebody asked me, does it look like Ballard's

1148
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: strading away picks because he knows that his time is now? No,

1149
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: I think he knows his window is now. Not his year,

1150
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 1: but his window is now.

1151
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: I'll also had this jacin since the trade was announce

1152
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: I've been just looking at different stuff and Sus Gardner,

1153
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: by the way, has chiped in on Twitter slash x

1154
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: and he's just simply tweeted a thank you New York

1155
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 2: with the greenheart. But when you look at the history

1156
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: of Chris Ballard in first round picks, it's not been great.

1157
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: Like Malie Hooker, Quintin Nelson, Like obviously Nelson with the

1158
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 2: lottery pick they traded away. They're picking nineteen eight for

1159
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: him or was that Greg Yes, Yeah, Malie Cooker was

1160
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: his first pick that he made as a gem of

1161
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 2: the Colts, and then Quity Pay obviously Anthony Richards in

1162
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: Leautu Latu Tyler went like, there are only two good

1163
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: picks in the ballad Era in the first round and

1164
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: you traded away. I can't remember. It was one or

1165
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 2: two for DeForest Buckner. So and nobody's really complained about

1166
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: that ever since that trade has happened.

1167
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: It's not Griggs now. But if you know the Jim

1168
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 1: Mersey Chris is wheeling and dealing, what's going on? Shit

1169
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: in period? They are man, they are mo in Ohio.

1170
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: What's up? Mo?

1171
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 3: Hey, Greg Hendie. This is crazy to day. I was

1172
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 3: thinking back to back in nineteen eighty seven when the

1173
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 3: Eric Dickerson monster trade was made, and it was around

1174
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 3: Halloween at that time, and now here we are in

1175
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 3: the same thing again. I think in some ways divine intervention.

1176
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 3: Jim Mersey well got a hand on the on the

1177
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 3: on the team in uh in making some of those decisions.

1178
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 3: I also would like to have some of the stuff

1179
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 3: that Chris Ballard is drinking, because uh he whatever has

1180
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: changed him and everything that's going on, it is, it's crazy.

1181
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: It's just now, Mo, here's the thing. And I don't

1182
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: mean to what's interesting to me?

1183
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 10: Mo?

1184
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: And I know I used that term a lot. What

1185
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm curious about is this and we'll never know this answer.

1186
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: We'll never know this answer. But is it possible now

1187
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: that Chris Ballard is making these moves because he has

1188
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: more autonomy to do.

1189
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 8: So that may be.

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01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 10: I think I think that could be, But I again,

1191
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 10: you're right, I will never know. If you remember back,

1192
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 10: I don't ers they may have gotten bitten by a

1193
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 10: couple of the big, big deals that he had made.

1194
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 10: We'll want to go back to the time of Freddy Young.

1195
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: Well, Freddy Young's the big one, right when when you

1196
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: sent two number ones for Freddy Young and then you

1197
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: find out that Freddy Young was done in Seattle because

1198
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: he basically failed a physical because he needed his shoulder rebuilt.

1199
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: That was a disaster. The Dickerson thing was huge, and

1200
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: I still think was the biggest transaction in Indianapolis cult

1201
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: history because it gave legitimacy to a franchise that otherwise,

1202
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, was kind of a laughing stocker, an afterthought

1203
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: within the rest of the league. And then you could

1204
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: make the argument as to how it actually worked out

1205
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: long term, but in the short term it was fabulous.

1206
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: It's a huge deal. Sauce Gardner on his way two

1207
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: first rounders and eighty Mitchell will pass him in the

1208
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: air on the transfer here. All right, what's happening, Todd? Todd,

1209
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: what's up?

1210
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 10: Hey?

1211
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 4: What's happening Jack?

1212
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: So Ar, dude, Todd, I'm well, i'd like to know

1213
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this.

1214
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 11: Well, I can tell you my thoughts, but I'll leave

1215
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 11: you with this. I'll keep the call short because you always, Jake,

1216
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 11: I've been calling your show, even going back to when

1217
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 11: you were with Derek for twelve years, and you guys

1218
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 11: always asked me, Hey, how where do you think the

1219
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 11: Colts are going to finish? And how many and do

1220
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 11: you see them or losing a game? And I say, nope,

1221
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 11: I think they're going to win every game this year,

1222
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 11: and I think they're going to take it right to

1223
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 11: the Super Bowl. I think for the first time, there

1224
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 11: might be one of your call one of your listeners

1225
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 11: out there that might actually agree with me. Now for

1226
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 11: the first time, I think somebody might actually agree with

1227
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 11: me that listens to your show for the last twelve years.

1228
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: So, Todd, right now, there game, they're seven and two.

1229
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm curious, what do you think their final record will

1230
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 1: be at the end of the year.

1231
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 11: Well, I failed mad the ball State, but they're going

1232
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 11: to lose two games they're going to take it right

1233
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 11: to the super Bowl. Whatever that amount is.

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01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Now let me ask you gush ball State real

1235
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: quick before I let you go. Chirp shirt for the Cardinals.

1236
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on ball State's football season? Not bad?

1237
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 11: They just had a big win, am I?

1238
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: Right? So they beat Ohio a couple of weeks ago,

1239
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: then they dropped one. Where do they stand right now? Eddie?

1240
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to know your thoughts on what you think

1241
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: ball State will do moving forward? Todd.

1242
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 11: I think they went out and they take it to

1243
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 11: a ball game.

1244
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 10: Jake, what do you think.

1245
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: Sounds good to me? Love their coach, I'll say that

1246
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: I love their coach, Eddie. Where we staying with ball

1247
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: State football?

1248
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: Mike k Rimovich's team. They're three and five. They lost

1249
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: to Northern Illinois, but they beat acro in the week

1250
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 2: before that, Kent State, Eastern Michigan, Toledo, Miami of Ohio remaining.

1251
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: And you're saying they run the table, right, Todd?

1252
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 6: That's right.

1253
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 11: That's a piece of kegs. They get six games, they

1254
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 11: win six games, they take it right to a bowl.

1255
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: Okay, last, lastly, time before we let you go, we

1256
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: got six months before it happens. Who's gonna win the

1257
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: five hundred.

1258
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 11: Ooh, that's a good question. That Look, I don't think

1259
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 11: anybody's beating the Olex pillow, but I will tell you this,

1260
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 11: the amount of talent that Indy Carr is breeding, it's

1261
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 11: gonna get extremely competitive and fun to watch.

1262
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say, Charlie Kimball, golle.

1263
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 11: If Charlie Kimball comes back and gets into a car,

1264
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 11: nobody's gonna beat him.

1265
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: There you go, Todd. I appreciate it. That's our buddy.

1266
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: What's happening in Todd? John's been waiting patiently reaction Sauce

1267
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: Gardner cult John, what's up?

1268
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 10: Oh shits in period.

1269
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: It's not bad John, that's not bad.

1270
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 12: Like Jimps, thank you, thank you. I was a thespian

1271
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 12: in high school, in college a little bit. But no,

1272
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 12: you know, Ballard couldn't pull off a deal for one

1273
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 12: of his elite rushers like Burns or Crosby. But this

1274
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 12: is arguably better stars his twenty five already two time

1275
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 12: All Pro I've led the league get passed deflections.

1276
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 4: Since he debuted.

1277
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 12: Not as good the last two years, but you're talking

1278
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 12: about a guy who's dependable and dominant when he's on

1279
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 12: his game, press corner, physical off the line first of all,

1280
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 12: to play zone or carry roots really anywhere. So perfect

1281
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 12: fit for lou with Mooney Ward on the outside when

1282
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 12: he's helpful or excuse me, when he's healthy. And this

1283
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 12: is how you're going to generate a lot more coverage

1284
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 12: sacks and really put pressure on the quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 12: this is one of the best corner duos in football.

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01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 12: And his fans and Indy, we've been waiting for this

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01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 12: for a really long time. That says that Ballard's all

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01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 12: in and this is really really just something that's super

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Speaker 12: shocking but also very exciting.

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Speaker 1: John. I think you hit on the big thing there

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. The big thing and that is

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01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: the fact that it buys you more time for covered sacks.

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01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the if you can't get your pass

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01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: rush jump started. This takes care of it, for certain

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Speaker 1: takes care of it. We'll come back, we'll get more reaction.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we will go to New York two

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01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,799
Speaker 1: o'clock thirty five minutes from now. Janey Cochley SNY covers

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01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: the New York Jets. We'll give us the perspective of

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01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: what the Colts are getting in Sauce Gardner above and

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01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: beyond what we know statistically speaking, and John's fabulous breakdown.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it all on the other side, your continued

1302
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: calls at two through nine, ten, seventy big one today,

1303
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner on his way to the Colts. It is

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01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: the biggest move and the NFL and the Colts clearly

1305
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: are now pushing in on what they believe as a

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01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: team on the cusp. It has been a crazy stretch

1307
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: in central Indiana. If you go back in the last

1308
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: six months, you have the NBA Finals in the Inn

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers being the epicenter of the NBA world, and

1310
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: I know the Oklahoma City won it, but I mean

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01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: the Pacers were and still are a captivating story. And

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01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: Miles Turner now feverishly sending thank you cards to Sauce

1313
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: Gardner and the Indianapolis Colts forgetting his getting booed out

1314
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: of Gambridge Field House, you know, putting that on the

1315
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: back burner now. And then you have the college football

1316
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: side of things and Kurt Signetti and Indiana, who I

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01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: firmly believe Tonight at eight o'clock should be. They won't be,

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01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: I get it, but Indiana should be the number one

1319
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: team in the first college football rankings tonight at eight

1320
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: o'clock because they have the most impressive win of the

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01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: year at Oregon and that is better than any win

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Speaker 1: that Ohio State has. And yes, Indiana's going to have

1323
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: to go to Penn State this weekend and beat a

1324
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Speaker 1: team that Ohio State just beat up on. And Ohio

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01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: State's fantastic, don't get me wrong, and probably could could

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01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: have more lopsided than they have, but Indiana has been

1327
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: a remarkable story in college football. Purdue begins tonight at

1328
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: six point thirty against Evansville as the number one team

1329
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: in college basketball, and there is no reason to believe

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Speaker 1: that they do not maintain close to that ranking for

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01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: the vast majority, if not all, of the year, and

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Speaker 1: the best player in college basketball might well be right

1333
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: there on their roster. The Indiana Fever are coming off

1334
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: of a run to the finals where you know when

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Speaker 1: you look at the fact that their best players were

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01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: all out and what they did was truly incredible. The

1337
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 1: Indian Knight just finished an inaugural season playing at the

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01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: Fishers Events Center, where they themselves got into the finals

1339
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: their league and had huge crowds on the regular and

1340
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: now the biggest trade in the NFL trade deadline day

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01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five. I can't not see between now

1342
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: and four o'clock why there's going to be another one

1343
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: that would be a bigger splash than this. The Indianapolis

1344
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: Colts and Chris Ballard have made their move and have said,

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01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: you know what, because we admit it. Admit it to

1346
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: most of you. You were hopeful that they would go

1347
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: out and get a Max Crosby or a Trade Hendrick Center,

1348
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: somebody that was going to be you know, this this

1349
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: major splash, right, and that they were going to get

1350
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 1: pass rush. But you resigned yourself to the fact that

1351
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 1: they were going to either be asleep at the wheel

1352
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: or not be able to broker a deal, and in

1353
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: the end, the deadline would come and pass, and I

1354
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: would be doing the crossover with JMV and we'd be

1355
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: talking about Miles Turner and there you go, there's your storyline.

1356
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: It met it. Most of you thought that was going

1357
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: to be the case, But instead the Colts went out

1358
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: and said, and let's go back to what Stephen Holder

1359
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: was talking about and let's go back to what this

1360
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: might mean in terms of current personnel on the Colts roster.

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Speaker 1: If you begin with the fact of what Stephen was

1362
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: talking about. I think it is a very fair statement

1363
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: by Steven, and I think he would know that pass

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01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: rush is where they were going first, and that's what

1365
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: they were most looking for for the last probably week

1366
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Speaker 1: that they've been making phone calls and he's done everything

1367
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Speaker 1: he can, has Chris Ballard to get pass rush help.

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Speaker 2: Adam Schefter said that the Colts have been working on

1369
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 2: this deal with the Jets for quote weeks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this isn't something that was just I don't think

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01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: that was like a I mean, you would have assumed

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Speaker 1: that from the Jets standpoint. It wasn't like they just

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01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: took a phone call and said but But either way,

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Speaker 1: I do think pass rush is something that they have

1375
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: tried to go after and just they couldn't get anything done.

1376
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: But now that becomes less It still would be wonderful,

1377
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 1: but it becomes less an impact because of the fact

1378
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: that you have shut down corners literally. Now I am

1379
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: curious and I know Stephen said that he anticipates that

1380
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: mooney Ward is back and cleared and everything's good there,

1381
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: but you have to be I say this, I'm not

1382
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: a doctor, and I certainly don't hope this to be

1383
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: the case, but precedent of athlete would tell us that

1384
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: oftentimes concussions of proximity to one another can lend themselves

1385
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: to increased risk of concussion. I hope that's not the case.

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01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm speaking in generalities there, but if there are players

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01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: that have had multiple concussions close to one another, then

1388
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: you then you have to wonder whether or not there.

1389
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: But Steven said no, cam Ward's coming back and they're

1390
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: good there, right. The other thing that you have to

1391
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: consider is the fact that they have if you remember,

1392
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: let's go back to and it feels like forever ago,

1393
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: feels like forever ago. When I'm sitting in Grand Park

1394
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: in Westfield and it's one hundred degrees outside and there's

1395
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: like no one there because practice was done in the

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: eleven am and there's a rooster crowing, and I and

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01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: probably a lot of people are thinking, man, this seems

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01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 1: to be a lot considering the fact that this is

1399
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 1: a team that we think is kind of stuck in neutral.

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01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: There's a ton of question about it and who this

1401
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: year Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson, Hello, seven and ten.

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01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: I think I said, as a matter of fact, I

1403
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: know I said ten and seven. Beginning of the year,

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01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: I said ten and seven. I thought they were going

1405
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 1: to be a little bit better than they were given credit.

1406
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: But I said ten and seven. Now at that time,

1407
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: at that time, what we knew was that Justin Wally

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01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: was a guy that was playing really really well for them,

1409
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 1: really well, and there was a lot of hope and expectation.

1410
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 1: Then he gets hurt and that's a corner, that's a

1411
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: defensive back, young player. So you can't sit there and

1412
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: say that they know definitively what he was going to

1413
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: be over the course of the year. But the signs

1414
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: were there that he was playing, that he was really

1415
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: good for them, and that they really liked Justin Wally, right,

1416
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 1: and then the same can be said for Honah Waller,

1417
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: really active safety back there, young player, the necessity and

1418
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: you know that now you have Jonathan Edwards and you

1419
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: know other players that you've signed to give you depth

1420
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: at that position, and they have been able to sustain

1421
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: those losses, even though those are players that he didn't

1422
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 1: know what they were going to be there's a big

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01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: difference between camp and regular season. I get it, but

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01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: they just pushed all in on that, and then you

1425
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: wonder where that falls in terms of next year and beyond,

1426
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: because Sauce Gardner, when you go for that move, you're

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01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: all in and you're paying a big ticket as well.

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Speaker 1: Big ticket, Brandon, I'll get to you two through nine,

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01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: ten seventy for others that want to chime in on

1430
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: a seismic move for the Colts today. And Jenney Cochley

1431
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 1: SNY covers the Jets in twenty You know a lot

1432
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: of times, and I hope it doesn't belabor the point

1433
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: when I talk on this show about different things, and

1434
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 1: I use precedent, I go back to like historical precedent

1435
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: with things of the way teams were built or react

1436
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: to and et cetera. And the gold standard for any

1437
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: franchise is Super Bowl or NBA title or World Series

1438
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: or Final Four or College Football National Championship. And so

1439
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: if you are a franchise that has reached that pinnacle,

1440
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: sometimes there is messaging within the blueprint. And if you

1441
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 1: go back to the greatest era of football that this

1442
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 1: town has seen from an NFL standpoint, certainly Andrew luck

1443
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: and when he was healthy and in particular in the

1444
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: beginning of his career, a continuation of the era that

1445
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: you were coming right off of with the Peyton Manning

1446
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: era Colts, and those teams were designed in many ways

1447
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: to be teams defensively, that were there to be pass

1448
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: defense oriented defenses. In other words, not and I get

1449
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 1: today in the NFL it is a more pass friendly

1450
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: league anyway, although we're starting to see more of a

1451
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 1: shift back into the running game. But part of what

1452
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 1: makes this move today also so relevant for the Colts

1453
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: and potentially such a payoff, is that now when you

1454
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 1: have not won but two shut down corners and Sauce

1455
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: Gardner and Mooney Ward, assuming that he comes back and

1456
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: is healthy and is able to stay healthy, and then

1457
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 1: you have active safeties and you are shutting out a

1458
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: passing game. When you look at this Colts offense and

1459
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: you look at the fact that it is the most

1460
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: prolific offense so far up until the Pittsburgh game, when

1461
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 1: they take care of the football certainly in the NFL,

1462
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: and they can run the ball with Jonathan Taylor, and

1463
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: they can run the ball. Don't laugh here with Tyler

1464
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: Warren in short yardage. They can throw the ball into

1465
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: short yardage with Tyler Warren. They can throw the ball

1466
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: into intermediate coverage with Tyler Warren. They can throw the

1467
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: ball to those areas with Josh Downs. They can throw

1468
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: deep to Alec Pierce. They can throw any of those

1469
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: areas to Alec Pierce. They can throw across the middle

1470
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: to Michael Pittman and Daniel Jones. Is if he's taking

1471
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: care of the football. You factor all of those things

1472
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: in and what you have is an offense that gets

1473
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: you to a lead where then you know that the

1474
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: opposition has to go to the air. And if the

1475
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: opposition has to go to the air because you they

1476
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: know that you are scoring on the vast majority of

1477
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: your possessions and they have to keep track of that

1478
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: and they have to keep up with that, then what

1479
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: you've done now is you have taken that snake and

1480
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: basically cut the head because you are saying, look, you're

1481
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna have you can run the ball against us, Fine,

1482
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: but we're putting up thirty one points a game, and

1483
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: there's only so much time in a game when you're

1484
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 1: running the football, and you got to throw against us,

1485
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: and we've got two lockdown corners, and yes, our pass

1486
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 1: rush is sufficient but not brilliant. But it just became

1487
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 1: a lot better because good luck getting your guys open. Brandon.

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01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 1: Two through nine, ten seventy is the telephone number, High Brandon,

1489
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: Good morning sir. Now Brandon, it's first time I will

1490
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: say this, Brandon. It's ten till two now for me,

1491
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: it is, in fact kind of the morning time. But

1492
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: did you just wake up?

1493
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 13: No, I've been working all just all bleeds in the

1494
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 13: morning until I get off for.

1495
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: I like that. What line of work are you in, Brandon.

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Speaker 13: I'm in management in the med device manufacturing facility.

1497
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: Okay, And you said this your first time calling the program, Yes, sir, okay, well,

1498
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 1: we're happy to have you. What's on your mind today?

1499
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 4: Love it.

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01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 13: I actually was calling to make a point that you

1501
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 13: just made. You know, we've talked about pass rush in

1502
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 13: Indianapolis Colts for quite a while, and uh, you know,

1503
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 13: one of the things that I see from a stat

1504
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:35,560
Speaker 13: perspective is where elevens in football and pressures on the quarterback,

1505
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 13: We're currently six in sacks.

1506
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 4: So if you can get you.

1507
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 13: Know, point three point four more seconds that quarterback in

1508
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 13: the pocket, how many more of those are gonna gonna land,

1509
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 13: increasing the sack total, putting the team in negative situations.

1510
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 13: So I just wanted to point out that, you know,

1511
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 13: it was caught us by surprise, but I think it

1512
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 13: actually helped a lot with the pass rush as you

1513
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 13: just mentioned.

1514
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: Do you, Brandon, let me ask you this. Do you

1515
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: Does it bother you at all? And I'm not saying

1516
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 1: it should that that sound like I'm leading the witness.

1517
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: I don't mean it that way. Do you consider two

1518
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: first rounders and Adie Mitchell too big a price to pay.

1519
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:12,799
Speaker 4: Adie Mitchell?

1520
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 13: No, mainly because you can see how explosive he can be.

1521
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 13: But you know, our receiving course deep you just made

1522
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 13: that point. I don't see him passing Downs or Pierce

1523
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 13: anytime soon. You know, Jalen or Tyler Warren is what

1524
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 13: we all hoped he would be. The two first round

1525
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 13: picks is a lot, but if it gets you in

1526
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 13: a position to have an opportunity to win the Super Bowl,

1527
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 13: you know that's what the NFL's about, right.

1528
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I agree and the other thing too, Brandon.

1529
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate it and welcome aboard. By the way, We're

1530
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: happy to have you the other thing, welcome to the company.

1531
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: That's right, Director of management is what Brandon is. The

1532
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 1: other thing that comes into play there is if in

1533
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: fact this pushes you into the super Bowl category, and

1534
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: one would assume that it does that, then those first

1535
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: round picks become like thirtieth overall. It's different than the

1536
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 1: Jets trading a first round pick, which means they're punting on,

1537
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, the fifth overall pick in the draft. Dave

1538
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 1: up next.

1539
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 10: Day.

1540
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 6: Jake, also a long time listener, first time caller. I

1541
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 6: have really appreciated what you just said there about what

1542
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 6: the pick is. So a couple thoughts, but a season

1543
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 6: ticket older since so five, so I'm invested. My wife

1544
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 6: hates the bill. I live and die this team.

1545
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: A couple thoughts.

1546
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 4: I love your opinion on one.

1547
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: We move.

1548
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 6: Quentin Nelson, Jonathan Taylor could go down the list. Hey,

1549
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 6: one of them could get hurt next year, and we're

1550
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 6: in a position this year. I think not just to

1551
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 6: get to the super Bowl, but host that game at home.

1552
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 6: I do think two first rounders is a lot, so

1553
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,759
Speaker 6: I want to continue to kind of think about that. True.

1554
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 6: One thing that I believe is the ad Mitchell thing

1555
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 6: is a little bit of the culture that has changed,

1556
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 6: maybe because there's a slightly different owner, and I think

1557
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 6: there's a message being set that we are going to

1558
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 6: take care of business first. You know, there's a reason

1559
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 6: why the best teams and you go to the Belichick

1560
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 6: er and people can say what they want about them,

1561
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 6: but there's a way they do business. What he did

1562
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 6: in LA was unacceptable, Obviousally Taylor did it last year.

1563
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 4: Learn from it.

1564
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 6: I wonder if this is also a message of the

1565
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 6: guys on the team that the expectation is we should

1566
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 6: be hosting the AFC Championship game, we should be playing

1567
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl final plot And I then appreciate

1568
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 6: you taking my call. I've said it for years. It's

1569
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 6: amazing how good your cornerbacks are when you get a

1570
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 6: pass rush, And it's amazing, just like the last dollar said,

1571
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 6: how good your corner or your lineman are your pass rushes.

1572
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 6: Those cornerbacks are locking down for two or three or

1573
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 6: even four tenth more of a second. So I think

1574
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 6: this is a message as an organization that we are

1575
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 6: going for it. But I would love your thoughts on

1576
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 6: again the two first round picks. The point you make

1577
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 6: is also very well taken a thirtieth pick isn't the

1578
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 6: same as the fourth right. As always, thanks for taking

1579
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 6: my call and I.

1580
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: Love appreciates to Dave. I appreciate it. Listen. I think

1581
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: what this signifies as this it's maybe it's a bad analogy,

1582
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 1: but it's one that I can use in terms of Crosstown.

1583
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: If you know that you have a calf strain, and

1584
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,839
Speaker 1: you know that that calf strain has potential to develop

1585
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: into something that is going to knock you out for

1586
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 1: a year, you probably don't play in January against the Nuggets.

1587
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: But if you know that that calf strain and playing

1588
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 1: through and the risk that comes with it is because

1589
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: you are four quarters from potentially winning an NBA title,

1590
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: you push all in and you play. And if you

1591
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: know and you feel deep down like your window is

1592
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: right now with your team and you are right there

1593
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: on the cusp, and you are this sort of a

1594
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:55,719
Speaker 1: move away from pushing all in to your point, Dave,

1595
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: the other players you see in the National Football League,

1596
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: it stands for not for long. You have no idea

1597
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 1: how long your window is going to be to have

1598
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: guys together and have them healthy, And so you put it.

1599
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: If the window is there and you got a chance,

1600
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 1: and it takes two to tango and the other one's

1601
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: willing to waltz with you. You make the move and

1602
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: you go for it, and you say we're going all in.

1603
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: And this is different than if you were right now

1604
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 1: three and four, or you're right now you know, three

1605
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: and five, or whatever it would be through I guess

1606
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: they're nine games four and five. Clearly they feel that

1607
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: they are there. And in terms of Chris Ballard and yes,

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01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: I agree with Adie Mitchell. I agree with that perception

1609
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: that there is I think when you made the move

1610
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: to go to Daniel Jones, part of the reason you

1611
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: went to go to Daniel Jones is because you're like,

1612
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: we want adults in the room. That's not to say

1613
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: that Anthony Richardson's a bad guy, but Anthony Richardson I

1614
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 1: don't think had the maturity yet professionally speaking, I don't

1615
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: mean he's making fart noises with his armpits. I just

1616
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 1: mean the professional maturity and focus to dial in. And

1617
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is a quarterback that allows you to have

1618
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: the adults in the room, and I think that there

1619
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: is a culture that goes there. In addition, to that

1620
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 1: with Ballard and this move, I don't know, and it's

1621
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: unfair perhaps to speculate as to whether or not this

1622
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: takes place if the ownership is the same as it

1623
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: was a year ago when Jim Irsay was still there.

1624
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: But I do think that it is fair to wonder.

1625
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: We'll never know the answer. But is this sign now

1626
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: that Chris Ballard has complete and total autonomy with his

1627
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: moves and does not have to worry about you know,

1628
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: not to say that Jim Mersey would have been against

1629
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: this move. I don't know, but it does feel like, yes,

1630
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: there is a very aggressive, we are going forward approach

1631
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 1: and I'm here for it. Joe, real quick, we'll get

1632
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: to you. What's up, Joe, Hey, I.

1633
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 14: Just wanted to comment that, with today's NFL rules being

1634
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 14: what they are and how the players are being called,

1635
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 14: do you really think that there is such a thing

1636
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 14: as a shut down cornerback? Because you know, I see

1637
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 14: these guys getting pied all over the place, fair and

1638
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 14: the other. The other quick comment I have is that

1639
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 14: regarding a pass rusher an edge rusher, Peyton Manning had

1640
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 14: more to do with Robert Mathis and Dwight Screeny's numbers

1641
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 14: than anything, because they scored a lot of points.

1642
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: Anyway, team to pass one hundred percent. Agree with that, Joe,

1643
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. And that's where I think

1644
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: that this move is indicamate to the fact that they

1645
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: anticipate being ahead and forcing teams to have to pass

1646
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,799
Speaker 1: the ball a lot. What are they getting in Sauce Gardner.

1647
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: Jenay Coachley covers the Jets joins us next and you

1648
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be a day talking about

1649
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: Miles Turner. In fact, the big news of the day.

1650
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 1: If you are just joining us on the program, where

1651
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: have you been? Thank you, Eddie?

1652
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 2: It'll thank you for being here now.

1653
01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: That is correct. Better late than never. Sauce Gardner, who

1654
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: has started forty eight games of the forty eight games

1655
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: going into this year that he has played in the

1656
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,839
Speaker 1: National Football League, is on his way to the Indianapolis Colts,

1657
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: and two first round draft picks and Adie Mitchell are

1658
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 1: on their way to New York and the Jets joining

1659
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: us now on the Java House Peel and poor guest line.

1660
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: She needs no introduction in Indianapolis, but I will provide one. Nonetheless,

1661
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: she left Indianapolis after a stint at Wish TV to

1662
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: go to New York and work for sn Y in

1663
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: twenty ten, where her coverage of the Jets won her

1664
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: an Emmy. And Jenay Coakley has been covering the Jets

1665
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 1: since joins us now to give perspective, Jenay, appreciate the

1666
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: time on what I'm sure is a very hectic day.

1667
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Indianapolis, and let's begin with this from

1668
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 1: a player on field standpoint, tell us what Indianapolis is

1669
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: getting in Sauce Gardner.

1670
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 15: Oh well, Jake, thanks so much for having me on.

1671
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 15: I was at playdate with my children and then I

1672
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 15: got this to text the news. I was like, wait,

1673
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 15: what not? What I was expecting? Whatsoever? As far as

1674
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 15: Sauce Gartner to pro he's a great guy. He's great

1675
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 15: guy off the field, locker room favorite, and you got

1676
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 15: a guy on the field who wants to be the best.

1677
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 15: He can be a lockdown corner a lot of times.

1678
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 15: He wants to be the best guy.

1679
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 8: He studies film.

1680
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 15: He's just a.

1681
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 4: Real good guy.

1682
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 15: You guys got a good one. I'm gonna miss Sauce.

1683
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 15: He's actually one of my favorites.

1684
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 1: So I guess that begs the question, Janey, and I

1685
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: realize that things have not gone especially in the last

1686
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,520
Speaker 1: two years. You know, New York is one of those franchises,

1687
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 1: the Jets that, gosh, you would know the years better

1688
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: than I. But it seems like within the last two

1689
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: or three years it felt like they were on the cusp,

1690
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 1: but maybe being able to make a push. And I

1691
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 1: know that at the quarterback spot they're still searching at that.

1692
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: But why do you believe that Sauce Gardner was made available.

1693
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 15: Two first round picks, Jake? I mean, I don't think

1694
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 15: they were necessarily shopping Sauce, but Muji did say, listen,

1695
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 15: if a guy's gonna if they're gonna call and offer

1696
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 15: me a deal that's gonna blow my socks off, I'm

1697
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 15: gonna say yes. And do you say you can't say

1698
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 15: no to two first round picks? And so I think

1699
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 15: when the Colts came calling, and I think when the

1700
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 15: Colts said, hey, we'll give you two first round picks,

1701
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 15: they'll say, Okay, let's go because now for the next

1702
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 15: two years they have two first round picks there and

1703
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 15: then the Colts. So I think they're just blown away

1704
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 15: by that deal because Sauce was just signed to an extension,

1705
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 15: a four year extension in July. Yeah, so he was

1706
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 15: meant to be a Jet. I mean he wanted to

1707
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 15: be a Jet.

1708
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 11: They I mean, Aaron.

1709
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 15: Glenn, the Jets new head coach, is a cornerback. This was

1710
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,679
Speaker 15: you know, this was his guy. And then, like I said,

1711
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 15: I just believe that this deal was just too good

1712
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 15: to pass up.

1713
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: You know, the gene. We were talking about this in

1714
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: terms of the two first round and I get it.

1715
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean I get both sides of it, right, I

1716
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 1: get why the Colts would be willing to part with

1717
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: those two picks, and I get why New York would

1718
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: be wanting to get two first round picks, especially if

1719
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:50,759
Speaker 1: you're in kind of rebuild mode or acentuation mode, whichever

1720
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: it might be for New York. But yeah, the you know,

1721
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 1: for the Colts, I guess it's the standpoint that your

1722
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: hope is that these are first round picks that you're

1723
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 1: not going to miss picks. They're going to be like

1724
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: between twenty eight and thirty two, you know what I mean.

1725
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly this indicates that the Colts are pushing

1726
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: all in uh with Gardner, and you talked about it,

1727
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: his ability to be a lockdown corner, Jenny, what sort

1728
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 1: of in my apologies for my ignorance of knowing the

1729
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: Jets schematically, you know, in the last year or two,

1730
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: but during the time that he's been there.

1731
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 15: The Jets know what that is?

1732
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: What's that? Yeah? No, kid not, did the Jets know? Well?

1733
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: What sort of stuff has he had on the other

1734
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: side of him? In other words, has he been a

1735
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: guy that has gotten assistance on the other side as

1736
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 1: well or has he been literally like that's that is

1737
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 1: their defensive pass coverage.

1738
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 15: No, it's last year. The last three years he's been

1739
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 15: teamed up with DJ Reid. He's now with the Lion,

1740
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 15: who is phenomenal on the secondary. Has always been the

1741
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 15: Jets strong point. This year he's been They've traded for

1742
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 15: Brandon Stevens, who struggled a little bit, but he's never

1743
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 15: Sauce has never traveled with the number one guy until

1744
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 15: this year because with Robert Sala they just kind of

1745
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 15: maybe he didn't travel, so he had DK Metcalf to

1746
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:10,679
Speaker 15: start the season off. He had a heck of a job.

1747
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 15: I mean, I was known for Hansey he gets handy

1748
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 15: and gets a lot of PI penalties and not known

1749
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 15: for turnovers, but they don't throw the ball as his way.

1750
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 8: He can.

1751
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 15: He's know Darrell Reeves, but I think he's young, he's

1752
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 15: in his prime. He's long, he's lean, and he matches

1753
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 15: up really well with the big receivers and he can

1754
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 15: travel with us. So I think he is he's one

1755
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 15: of the Do I think he's the best corner Not necessarily.

1756
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 15: I think you can make an argument that Singletary's up there,

1757
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 15: and I mean obviously, but he's top five, no doubt

1758
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 15: in my mind.

1759
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: Jeney, you mentioned and this is the perspective that I appreciate.

1760
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: Jenny Coachley, my guest on the Joba House Peel and

1761
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 1: Poor Guest Line with s n Y in New York.

1762
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 1: She covers the Jets, I think the Colts and every

1763
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 1: team says this, Jenna, you know this. I mean you've

1764
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 1: covered a ton of teams and you and I probably

1765
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 1: talked about this kind of thing. Literally every team is like, now,

1766
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 1: we have a great culture, great locker room. That's the

1767
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 1: thing that everybody preaches that, right, but it seems as

1768
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: that the cults are that that is important of where

1769
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:15,640
Speaker 1: they're going moving forward. And when you look at or

1770
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: can you give a perspective, I guess and elaborate on

1771
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: the character maturity of Sauce Gardener, and in particular whether

1772
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,839
Speaker 1: or not that's tested now by going from a situation

1773
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: of familiarity to one that probably he was even surprised by.

1774
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 15: I think Sauce Gardener is the guy again. They just

1775
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 15: signed him to an extension in July, I mean one

1776
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 15: hundred and twenty point four million. They wanted he was

1777
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:42,720
Speaker 15: going to be one of the pieces to rebuilding and

1778
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 15: Aaron Glenn was trying to build this culture because that's

1779
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 15: the type of guy Sauce is. Sauce is a guy

1780
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 15: that you want to build around. And he's the guy

1781
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 15: who's always gonna talk to media where they win or loose.

1782
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 15: He's the guy that's going to take the blame if

1783
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 15: it's him or not. He works hard, he loves to

1784
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 15: study film. He's not a party I by any means.

1785
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 15: He loves football. He went back to school to get

1786
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 15: his degree because he promised his mom he was going

1787
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 15: to do it. I mean, he's just a real good

1788
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 15: guy who wants to play football, wants to be good.

1789
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 15: Like I said, I don't think the Jets aren't necessarily

1790
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 15: shopping him around. I Like I said, I think the

1791
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 15: Colts came with him with the deal that you cannot

1792
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 15: pass up, especially for a team like you said, is

1793
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 15: still looking for that quarterback who's still missing a lot

1794
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 15: of pieces. He's trying to build a culture and they

1795
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 15: need I mean again, two first round picks for the

1796
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 15: next two years.

1797
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 4: By the way, they're willing to give up.

1798
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 15: Their two time All Pro cornerback Sauce Gardener.

1799
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: Jenay, when you go to dinner, what's your favorite sauce?

1800
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 15: BBQ?

1801
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 16: Baby, Okay, I.

1802
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 1: Can't argue with that. I cannot argue with some barbecue sauce, right.

1803
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 1: I always say when I go out and I get barbecue,

1804
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 1: oftentimes like whichever meat I'm getting is just a conduit

1805
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: for me having more of the sauce. Right, It's just

1806
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 1: the facilitator of the barbecue sauce, Jennay. The Jets in

1807
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 1: general and in this move within the rest of the

1808
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 1: locker room. And I know that you know the focus

1809
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis is on the Colts obviously not the Jets.

1810
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: But but I am curious because of what you talk

1811
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: about there. He's a younger guy. Is this a guy

1812
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: that though even though he's twenty five, Sauce Gardner. That

1813
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 1: has been a focal point within that locker room of

1814
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 1: leadership that even more veteran players look towards.

1815
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,679
Speaker 15: Yeah, I do. And I think he was just really

1816
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 15: he really wanted to take the next step to be

1817
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:37,440
Speaker 15: the leader, to be the guy, the young guy that

1818
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 15: that they look up to. They had a lot they

1819
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,680
Speaker 15: have a young safety secondary room, and he wanted to

1820
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 15: be that guy. And he was really starting to And again,

1821
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 15: the Jets team is a younger team, and he would

1822
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 15: laughed at I was even him during training camp. He's like,

1823
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 15: I'm like, sass, you're one of the veterans.

1824
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 8: Now.

1825
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 15: He was like, I know, I like that role.

1826
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 8: I embraced that role.

1827
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 4: This is what I want.

1828
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 15: So I think he's a guy. And again he's proven

1829
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 15: on the field that he can be one of those

1830
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 15: that one of those good players. Like he knows how

1831
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 15: to study, he wants to study, he wants to get better,

1832
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 15: he wants that the number one receiver on him, that's

1833
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 15: who he wants. That's he's always wanted to travel and

1834
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 15: with with the number one receiver, So he wanted that.

1835
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 15: So I think you're going to get a guy in

1836
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 15: that locker room, the Polese guy in the locker room

1837
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 15: that players are going to want to be around and

1838
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 15: want to get better. He's going to bring that secondary

1839
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 15: room up.

1840
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 1: Which do you think is the bigger football surprise in

1841
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 1: New York as it relates to Indianapolis, Jennay Coakley, the

1842
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 1: fact that Sauce Gardner has been traded here or the

1843
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 1: fact that Daniel Jones is having the season he's having.

1844
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:41,719
Speaker 15: Now I cover the Jets, so it's gonna be Sauce Gardner.

1845
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 15: I mean, I'm not geting Jack. We were all like, wait,

1846
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 15: what what that happens? Like, No, Sauce Gardener, No, that's

1847
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 15: the one. Him and Garrett Wilson are the two guys

1848
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 15: that no one's given up. But I think if you

1849
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 15: go to the other side of the city, Yeah, Daniel Jones, Wow,

1850
01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 15: what that's crazy?

1851
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 1: Out The Jets just picked up Eddie another first round

1852
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 1: draft pick. While we're on the air with Jenay. Correct.

1853
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is from Ian Rappaport. Janey, I think

1854
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys are trading for Quinn Williams and they are

1855
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:12,719
Speaker 2: sending a first round pick.

1856
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:13,520
Speaker 1: To the Jets.

1857
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 15: Okay, so there we go. Now we know what the

1858
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 15: Jets are doing cleaning some house and get some first

1859
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 15: round picks.

1860
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna have to go out and get

1861
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 1: some name tags. By the way, when you're I know

1862
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 1: you're a playtime with the kids and we'll let you

1863
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 1: get to work here in a second, but you're gonna

1864
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 1: have to get name tags for the locker room, just

1865
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:29,879
Speaker 1: so you know, right, yeah.

1866
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 8: What the heck?

1867
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 15: I know, Quinn, I'll be ont with you. This doesn't

1868
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 15: surprise me as much as the soft gardener. I kind

1869
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 15: of if anybody would have said when I was actually

1870
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 15: had a play date and they're like, someone said something

1871
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 15: about a Jets trade, I literally said, I think it's

1872
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 15: quinnin I had no idea about sauce. But I while

1873
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 15: they're blowing up things now.

1874
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 1: Well, lastly, will there be opportunity for Ady Mitchell in

1875
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 1: New York? Just and I know that New York is

1876
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 1: waiting through the quarterback situation, But in terms of receiver spots,

1877
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 1: where will Adie Mitchell get reps?

1878
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 15: One hundred and twenty five percent sure that he will,

1879
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 15: he will get repped. The Jets have Garrett Wilson. They're

1880
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 15: still looking for that number two and number.

1881
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 1: Three, gotcha all right? So Janay, listen, I can only

1882
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: imagine how busy it was for you all of a sudden,

1883
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 1: and the last thing you probably wanted was to look

1884
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 1: down and think, oh, okay, great Jake wants me to

1885
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 1: go on with him on the fan. But you made

1886
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 1: time for it, and we always appreciate it, and it

1887
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:26,839
Speaker 1: is really good perspective on Sauce Gardner.

1888
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 15: You're gonna enjoy him.

1889
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:29,599
Speaker 4: He's awesome.

1890
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 15: Tell him I said hello when you see him, because

1891
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 15: you guys are probably had in to Berlin. He's probably

1892
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 15: heading to Berlin right now.

1893
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 4: Via the guests, right correct.

1894
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 1: Well that, yeah, I mean I would assume that this

1895
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 1: is crazy. Yeah, yeah, I mean he's going to be.

1896
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: And you know, let's just hope that this goes better

1897
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,879
Speaker 1: than the last former jet that the Colts took overseas

1898
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 1: with them and Antonio Cromarti, which did not go well

1899
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 1: when they went to London, but that was a long

1900
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:49,679
Speaker 1: time ago.

1901
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 15: Well, my money's on a young Sauce Gardner ready to win.

1902
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 1: Well, he's gonna have plenty of chance to do that. Janey,

1903
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: I appreciate it all right, enjoy everything out there.

1904
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 15: Thank you, guys. Always fun.

1905
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 1: Hi, Jennay Cochley joining us from s n Y in

1906
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:09,280
Speaker 1: New York. Really good stuff, and you know that, here's

1907
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 1: what I love, and I love the perspective that she

1908
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 1: gave there. I knew nothing about Sauce Gardner as a guy. Nothing.

1909
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: And Jennay for those that are unfamiliar, Jenny Cochley worked

1910
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 1: at Channel eight. I think most know this, but she's

1911
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 1: been in New York now for you know, a decade

1912
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: and a half and covering the Jets. And with that,

1913
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, the the perspectives that you can get by

1914
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: being inside the locker room and just seeing and talking

1915
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 1: to guys and the way that players react to them,

1916
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 1: and the way that players gravitate towards them, and you know,

1917
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:51,320
Speaker 1: younger players in particular. Sauce garter a the one thing

1918
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: that I recall about him. And I'm ninety nine percent

1919
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 1: certain that I'm correcting. I'm ninety nine percent certain that

1920
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:02,719
Speaker 1: I'm correcting. That somebody send me a text or message

1921
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong in this. I'm almost certain that

1922
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner is the one that when he was drafted

1923
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 1: and I can't remember. Can you look up Eddie the

1924
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 1: year that sauce Gardner was drafted, then where was that

1925
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 1: draft being held? Because and I know that, you know,

1926
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 1: there were seven hundred and ninety five thousand people there

1927
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 1: for it, but it was one of those drafts where

1928
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: the draft stage and the green room were like several

1929
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:36,599
Speaker 1: blocks apart from each other. And if I'm not mistaken,

1930
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 1: sauce Gardner is the one that when he maybe I'm

1931
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 1: wrong in this, who am I thinking of? That they

1932
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 1: got drafted and the television camera followed them as they

1933
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 1: walked all the way down this long hallway and then

1934
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,160
Speaker 1: around this way and like the the you know, forty

1935
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 1: five second walk that these guys had to do, and

1936
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 1: sauce Gardner was the one that went the wrong way.

1937
01:41:57,880 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden they're like, no, dude,

1938
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 1: you got to turn around and go back all the

1939
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 1: way the other way. And I'm it was either sauce

1940
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 1: Gardener or who was the helped me out Eddie? Who

1941
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: was the one that was a sauce Garden And so,

1942
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know anything about what players are, like,

1943
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 1: you get indication and I think, for example, this to me,

1944
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:34,959
Speaker 1: this trade might tell you as much about the direction

1945
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 1: the Colts feel they're going And I think it was

1946
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:43,679
Speaker 1: Dave that pointed this out and I could not agree more.

1947
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:53,560
Speaker 1: When Ady Mitchell had the game against the Rams a disaster.

1948
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: He dropped the football early, he made a heck of

1949
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 1: a play, he got the penalty that negated a tailor run.

1950
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't even necessarily for Ady Mitchell the manner in

1951
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 1: which he had that implosion. It was his response or

1952
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 1: lack thereof. It was the fact that he I thought,

1953
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say sulked, that's unfair. But it

1954
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 1: didn't seem like he was a guy that stepped in

1955
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:33,799
Speaker 1: and said no, I'm bouncing back from this. It seemed

1956
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 1: like it impacted him. And maybe there's a little bit

1957
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 1: of the bias of perception or preconceived notion about him

1958
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 1: because when he was drafted, and he was I believe,

1959
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 1: the thirteenth receiver taken in the draft and that year

1960
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:57,560
Speaker 1: and when he was drafted, the one critique of him

1961
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: was immaturity. And that immaturity showed itself not only in

1962
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: the action on field against the Rams, but I thought

1963
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 1: personally in the reaction to it, and sending him out

1964
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 1: is sending a message. This sends a message externally to

1965
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:19,680
Speaker 1: the rest of the NFL. We're all in and we

1966
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 1: are making a push and we believe the time is now.

1967
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,799
Speaker 1: And I think it sends a message to the locker

1968
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 1: room of you better be all in. We are are

1969
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:33,719
Speaker 1: you and no matter your talent. And yes, Ady Mitchell

1970
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 1: was at a position where they had the luxury of

1971
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 1: being able to afford reducing somebody in that position, but

1972
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:49,520
Speaker 1: sending him is a message of you better be completely

1973
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 1: dialed in. What did we see at the quarterback position?

1974
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:56,200
Speaker 1: We have a guy taking snaps who has now justified

1975
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 1: the decision. But that is the decision that was made.

1976
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 1: Was made because we believe that it was an all

1977
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 1: encompassing thing.

1978
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 2: Trade is officially official. The Colts tweeted fifteen minutes ago

1979
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 2: Jake the terms of the trade so.

1980
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:12,440
Speaker 1: And it is in fact two first rounders and Ady Mitchell.

1981
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 2: Yep A twenty twenty six first A twenty twenty seven

1982
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 2: first in Adenai Mitchell for saftgartn Okay.

1983
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:21,760
Speaker 1: The other thing when it comes to emotional maturity is

1984
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 1: that of what took place last night with Miles Turner.

1985
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 1: Miles Turner was and still is, you know, an exceptional

1986
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: basketball player and Miles Turner during his time with the Pacers,

1987
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 1: was asked to be several different people, and he did

1988
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 1: so very admirably. In the beginning of his time here,

1989
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:44,880
Speaker 1: he was a guy that was going to be the

1990
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 1: next face of the franchise, and then it became Oladipo's team,

1991
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 1: and then it became obviously you know to that to

1992
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:55,839
Speaker 1: some extent, Sabonis and then obviously Halliburton's team. And Miles

1993
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 1: Turner was a guy that was asked to be a

1994
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:02,679
Speaker 1: rim protector and a facilitator and offensive facilitator in terms

1995
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:05,719
Speaker 1: of his passing and his outside shooting and et cetera.

1996
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 1: And during the course of all of that, Miles Turner

1997
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:13,120
Speaker 1: was in fact a really good member of the community

1998
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: of Indianapolis. He did charitable things, He was always a

1999
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,759
Speaker 1: good citizen. He was always, by all account a good teammate,

2000
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 1: and he was a good partner and representative of the

2001
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 1: Pacers franchise. He was everything in that regard that you

2002
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 1: would want no doubt. And I don't know him well,

2003
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 1: but I like him in the times that I've been

2004
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 1: around him and find him to be a very pleasant

2005
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 1: and friendly individual. But professionally and emotionally Miles Turner, I

2006
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:50,439
Speaker 1: think has shown in immaturity in this regard. Last night

2007
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:53,400
Speaker 1: was his first game back at Gambridge field House, and

2008
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:57,639
Speaker 1: what surprises me is this, Miles Turner was so much

2009
01:46:57,720 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 1: a part of this community that it's prize me that

2010
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 1: he missed the mark in the one aspect of it.

2011
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 1: Miles Turner missed the mark on the fact that this

2012
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 1: community is a little bit different. We're different than Chicago

2013
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 1: and Miami and Dallas and Phoenix and Los Angeles in

2014
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 1: New York. We're different in the fact that this is

2015
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 1: not a destination city. Those of us that live here

2016
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:29,200
Speaker 1: love it and embrace it and take pride in it.

2017
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 1: And part of that pride that we have in Indianapolis

2018
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 1: is that inferiority complex chip on the shoulder of wanting

2019
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 1: to be able to show those other places that I

2020
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 1: mentioned that, yeah, you know what we can contend to.

2021
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 1: But because of the fact that Indianapolis is and never

2022
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 1: will be a regional hub like Chicago is, and never

2023
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,439
Speaker 1: will be a coastal city like Los Angeles or Washington,

2024
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 1: DC or New York is, and never will be a

2025
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 1: warm weather destination place like a Miami. It's a place

2026
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:02,679
Speaker 1: where we do the best that we can. And we

2027
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: fell in love with and bonded with the Pacers teams

2028
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 1: that made it to the finals of the Eastern Conference

2029
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: and made it to the NBA Finals because we love

2030
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,080
Speaker 1: the fact that they too were doing the best that

2031
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 1: they could, and that included Myles Turner. But Miles Turner,

2032
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 1: over the course of that time, consistently heard his name

2033
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 1: mentioned in trade rumors, in trade suggestions, and much of

2034
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:30,920
Speaker 1: that you could block out as hyperbole noise from those

2035
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 1: that were farming for clicks on the internet. And that

2036
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that my bosses feel that way about me.

2037
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 1: I hear all the time about I'm rumored that they

2038
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:43,519
Speaker 1: want to get rid of me for this guy or

2039
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 1: that guy. But yet when I walk into the offices,

2040
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:49,360
Speaker 1: they tell me that that's not true. And that's one

2041
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 1: thing to be able to do all of that and focus.

2042
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 1: But when the Pacers made the contract offer to DeAndre

2043
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,760
Speaker 1: Ayton and gave him an offer sheet, then I think

2044
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 1: Miles Turner, in the back of his mind, that little

2045
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:09,639
Speaker 1: person on the shoulder was saying they were right. Everyone

2046
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 1: was right. Miles. You are trade rumor, you are trade bait,

2047
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 1: you are disrespected, you are overlooked, and then the other

2048
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:21,320
Speaker 1: side of his shoulder would say no, no, no, no, you're

2049
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:24,839
Speaker 1: You're an important part of this team. And Halliburton feeds

2050
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,880
Speaker 1: off of your rim protection and facilitating the other way.

2051
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:30,439
Speaker 1: And they love the fact that you hit threes and

2052
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:34,240
Speaker 1: you are the guy that is hugging Nancy Leonard and

2053
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 1: that they're giving the hat to when you win the

2054
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 1: East and you're the guy that holds up the trophy

2055
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:41,960
Speaker 1: because you are the face, long tenured pillar of this franchise.

2056
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 1: And then free agency comes and the contract offer is

2057
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:51,080
Speaker 1: made and that little guy on the right shoulder against us,

2058
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:54,800
Speaker 1: I told you, I told you they disrespected you and

2059
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 1: Miles Turner and that regard and that emotion. I get it.

2060
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:02,599
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's wrong. I understand the insecurity within,

2061
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 1: I understand the conflict that can create emotionally. But where

2062
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:11,600
Speaker 1: he's emotionally immature or off base is the fact that

2063
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:15,000
Speaker 1: he never then stepped back to say, but that exact

2064
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 1: emotion that is driving you and making you want to

2065
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 1: go to Milwaukee and making you want to get back

2066
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:26,760
Speaker 1: at the PACER's front office, that exact emotion that mirrors

2067
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 1: exactly the inferiority complex that drives the people of Indianapolis

2068
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 1: is the reason that you should understand that this city

2069
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 1: considers the Pacers themselves. And when you call out the

2070
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 1: PACER's front office, it's different than calling out in the

2071
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 1: front office of the Heat. It's different than calling out

2072
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 1: Jim Dolan and the Knicks. It's different than calling out

2073
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, Genie Bust and the Lakers, or you know

2074
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 1: whatever ownership group there is now Rob Polinka and the Lakers.

2075
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 1: It's different because we in this town consider ourselves as

2076
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:02,680
Speaker 1: a fan base to be representative of the franchise. And

2077
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 1: when Miles Turner wants to say no, no, no, no no,

2078
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking about the fans. I want to talk

2079
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 1: about the roster. I was just talking about the front

2080
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 1: office that I felt like disrespected me. What he aired

2081
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 1: in seeing in the time that he was here is

2082
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 1: that this is a market that feels a kinship, a

2083
01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 1: fraternal feeling, and a family bond with that franchise and

2084
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 1: what it represents. And so when he says things like

2085
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 1: the Pacers did me wrong, what he didn't realize is

2086
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 1: that in turn to the fan base, what they hear

2087
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:37,679
Speaker 1: is the Pacers fans did me wrong because Pacers fans

2088
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:42,800
Speaker 1: consider themselves family with the organization, and there is a

2089
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 1: bond there and a connection there that probably doesn't exist

2090
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 1: in a lot of places. But Miles Turner, in terms

2091
01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:53,400
Speaker 1: of wanting to all of us, can relate to work

2092
01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 1: situations where you feel slighted, or you feel like he

2093
01:51:56,439 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 1: didn't get the rays you wanted, or he didn't get

2094
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:01,640
Speaker 1: in a vacation time, or Betty in accounting got the

2095
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 1: award at the holiday dinner that you thought that you

2096
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,920
Speaker 1: should have gotten, or that Jim down the Hall should

2097
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 1: have gotten. All of us have gone through those things,

2098
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 1: and all of us at times are driven and fueled

2099
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 1: by them. So can we can relate to all of that.

2100
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:18,800
Speaker 1: But it's the fact that then when he left, he

2101
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:21,519
Speaker 1: started talking about Jim down the Hall and Sally in

2102
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:27,120
Speaker 1: Accounting and people in this town as fans took that personally.

2103
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:31,440
Speaker 1: They took it personally, and for him to be surprised

2104
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:38,600
Speaker 1: by the fact that people took that personally is personally surprising.

2105
01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how he could have expected or anticipated otherwise.

2106
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 1: I think he's a good guy. I think he was

2107
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:47,720
Speaker 1: a good soldier here. I think it was a good

2108
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:50,920
Speaker 1: part of the community. But at the same time, I

2109
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:53,920
Speaker 1: think he aired in reading the room. And it is

2110
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 1: ironic that while he was being booed at Gambridge field

2111
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:00,720
Speaker 1: House during the video that the Pacer did for him,

2112
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 1: it is ironic that he did that motion of closing

2113
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:07,640
Speaker 1: the book in his hand, because in fact, what he

2114
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:11,559
Speaker 1: was closing was the book that he didn't read the

2115
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 1: right way, and it was the room itself and the

2116
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 1: temperate of it. But I thought the Pacers played really

2117
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 1: well and there were some signs that were optimistic, even

2118
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 1: if it means long term and not short Scott agnusfield

2119
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:27,639
Speaker 1: House Files will discuss with me next. Ron from Chicago's

2120
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:29,799
Speaker 1: Pizza that was with me last night at the Pacer

2121
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 1: game just sent me a really good question, I mean

2122
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 1: an extreme hypothetical, but if the Colts put themselves in

2123
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 1: position where at the end of the year, let's just say,

2124
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:46,840
Speaker 1: because the AFC South, you know, they've got a pretty

2125
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 1: good hold on that, and let's say that they continue

2126
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 1: to play really well and win games, and they've got

2127
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:55,160
Speaker 1: a situation where in the last two weeks of the

2128
01:53:55,240 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 1: year they have they're locked in at their play off seed.

2129
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 1: If Richardson is back and healthy. Do they put him

2130
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 1: in for the second half of a couple of games

2131
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:09,760
Speaker 1: to try to get some draft capitol back and make

2132
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 1: him available so teams can see like, hey, you know what,

2133
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:14,200
Speaker 1: this guy, now that he's got to tie it in

2134
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: some players around him, is pretty good player and looks

2135
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:17,720
Speaker 1: like he still got it there. We'll give up a

2136
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 1: third round or for him.

2137
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:20,880
Speaker 2: Well, is he going to be healthy enough to plays?

2138
01:54:20,920 --> 01:54:22,639
Speaker 2: The question that I hady that's the thing.

2139
01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:25,519
Speaker 1: Well, what I'm saying is that that would at the

2140
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:27,840
Speaker 1: very least it allows them to show that he is

2141
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 1: in fact healthy. Right. Yeah, But we had a lot

2142
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:34,360
Speaker 1: of fun last night at the Pacer game, and I

2143
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 1: know that the result was not what people wanted. It

2144
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 1: was one of those where, at least for me, you

2145
01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 1: walked away and you went, you know what, they had

2146
01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:44,920
Speaker 1: one of the five best players on the planet hit

2147
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:47,800
Speaker 1: a shot that was basically, you know, guarded in every

2148
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 1: way possible that you just go, you know what, let

2149
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:52,280
Speaker 1: me shake your hand. You hit that shot. And I

2150
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 1: know that Giannis in booing to the crowd, I mean

2151
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:57,360
Speaker 1: he was having the back of his new teammate there

2152
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 1: and Miles Turner. But there were some thing that were

2153
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:03,760
Speaker 1: positives to take away from it. Joining us now on

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01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 1: the Java House, Peel and Poor Guest line. He is

2155
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:08,640
Speaker 1: with field House file Scott Agnes joining us and Scott

2156
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 1: will begin with this before we get to some of

2157
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 1: the positives, and that is I guess just your overall

2158
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:16,960
Speaker 1: reaction to the reaction of Miles Turner.

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01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 17: Yeah, none of it really surprised me, given the way

2160
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:24,200
Speaker 17: in which things went down over the last couple of months.

2161
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:27,520
Speaker 17: He's an emotional guy, he's an introvert. He takes things

2162
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 17: and feels things deeply. And so the last since he

2163
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:35,040
Speaker 17: moved on in July, I mean, let's not forget the fact,

2164
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:38,320
Speaker 17: Jake that not one of his teammates posted anything on

2165
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:41,280
Speaker 17: social media to wish him well. And so I think

2166
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:44,880
Speaker 17: a lot of fans understandably saw that and backed their

2167
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 17: own guys and said, wow, if they're not happy, we're

2168
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:50,560
Speaker 17: not happy. And then what made it worse Jake was,

2169
01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 17: of course the fact that several things that he said

2170
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:56,640
Speaker 17: and then had to clarify that does not go over

2171
01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 17: well with all of that if he purely just moved on.

2172
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:03,400
Speaker 17: I've heard from a lot of Pacer fans on social media,

2173
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:06,480
Speaker 17: and most are not annoyed or bothered by that.

2174
01:56:06,920 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 1: They get it.

2175
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 17: Look, a guy could basically double what the Pacers were

2176
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 17: offering three years, twenty two million per year. Instead he

2177
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 17: got another year and an additional five million per year.

2178
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:22,040
Speaker 17: It was the right business decision for him. I just

2179
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 17: wish it was a much better and cleaner divorce separation whatever,

2180
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 17: just given all the different things he had been, the

2181
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 17: guy that had been loyal, that had backed his teammates,

2182
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:35,760
Speaker 17: that had been through the double Biggs experiment with Demana Sibonis,

2183
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 17: that never hung his head, that was that safety net

2184
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 17: defensively when the Nate Yorkrin experience was going on. There's

2185
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:46,080
Speaker 17: so many telltale points with all this. I know, as

2186
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:48,640
Speaker 17: not a fan, I don't feel it as much here Jake,

2187
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 17: But I was just it was sad that during the

2188
01:56:53,240 --> 01:56:56,200
Speaker 17: celebration video, which something the Pacers did not do until

2189
01:56:56,240 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 17: three years ago, perhaps for reasons like this and where

2190
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:02,600
Speaker 17: do you stop about doing a video and not? But

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01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 17: I wish he could have felt a standing ovation, He

2192
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:08,440
Speaker 17: could have felt the thank yous from Pacer fans and

2193
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 17: then during the game, do whatever you want because he's

2194
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 17: on the other team.

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01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the I listen the most recent comments he had

2196
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:18,920
Speaker 1: about Tyre's Haldeberton, I thought were taken out of context

2197
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 1: if you listen to it in totality. It was the

2198
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:22,880
Speaker 1: other stuff that was said. And like I said, when

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01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,600
Speaker 1: he keeps talking about I wanted to go somewhere where

2200
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:29,080
Speaker 1: I loved or loved is the wrong word, but valued,

2201
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 1: et cetera. And I think they're just a lot of

2202
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:31,920
Speaker 1: people that were like, look.

2203
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:34,640
Speaker 2: Man, having the best chance to be competitive.

2204
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:36,200
Speaker 1: Having the best chance to be competitive. Yeah, I mean,

2205
01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of people that are like, look,

2206
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:42,400
Speaker 1: come on, now, let's get so.

2207
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 17: One thing that stood out to me Jake Sart interrupt

2208
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 17: there is during his Vegas press conference, the one that

2209
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:50,560
Speaker 17: got me is he I think this was clearly on purpose.

2210
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 17: He refused to even mention the Pacers a couple times,

2211
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 17: even mentioned Hey, my former team or whatever. That's that's

2212
01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 17: where it felt a little awkward. Maybe it was immaturity

2213
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:03,240
Speaker 17: or something. He was going through this for the first time,

2214
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 17: But to not be able to celebrate what got you

2215
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 17: this contract in those ten years in Indianapolis, to me,

2216
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 17: that's where it was a failure from the beginning.

2217
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, hard to argue any of that. Look after the game,

2218
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 1: I did notice that, you know. I mean I think

2219
01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:21,560
Speaker 1: just about somebody mentioned that they didn't see Halliburton give

2220
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 1: him a hug or the other one was maybe Siakam,

2221
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:28,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't know. I think pregame he

2222
01:58:28,760 --> 01:58:30,960
Speaker 1: might have gone around and talked to everybody. I don't know.

2223
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 1: But let's get to this, Scott. I thought it was

2224
01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 1: a very fitting game because I mean literally, at one

2225
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:44,000
Speaker 1: point I looked over to my right and I'm thinking

2226
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:49,440
Speaker 1: to myself, Okay, Halliburton's not out there. Nim Hart's not

2227
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:53,640
Speaker 1: out there. You know, furfy Late was not out there,

2228
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 1: Quentin Jackson was not out there. On and on and on. Right,

2229
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 1: we know all the injuries. McConnell's not out there, and

2230
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:03,280
Speaker 1: yet they kept doing pacer things. I don't know if

2231
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:05,320
Speaker 1: it's the brilliance of Rick Carlisle. I don't know if

2232
01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:08,160
Speaker 1: it's just the spirit of that locker room. But again,

2233
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 1: twice I think they got down double digits and came

2234
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:14,240
Speaker 1: roaring back and found themselves in position again. How long

2235
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 1: can they sustain this all that? Can you get what

2236
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Right?

2237
01:59:19,480 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean the reality is they're going to need

2238
01:59:21,680 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 17: to for the next month or so. It's really very

2239
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 17: similar to last season, where it's get to December and

2240
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:31,960
Speaker 17: we don't know the exact timeline, but generally speaking here

2241
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:34,920
Speaker 17: then you'll get nim Hard back, you'll get Matherin back,

2242
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 17: other guys might be a little healthier, and then you

2243
01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:40,200
Speaker 17: see where you are and push forward there kind of

2244
01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:43,160
Speaker 17: right around the finals of the NBA Cup. But in

2245
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:44,840
Speaker 17: the short term, the thing is you got a lot

2246
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:47,640
Speaker 17: of players playing to prove it, a lot of young

2247
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:50,400
Speaker 17: guys that are finally getting opportunity. And then on the

2248
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:53,160
Speaker 17: back end, some of the names you listed off, it's

2249
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:55,120
Speaker 17: guys still trying to prove it at this level on

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01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:58,200
Speaker 17: two ways. Or mac McClung had never signed a standard

2251
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 17: contract until now, or Amia Robinson Earl getting late minutes

2252
02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:05,000
Speaker 17: there and contributing it in some good ways there. And

2253
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:07,480
Speaker 17: so I think it's number one the culture that Rick

2254
02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:10,880
Speaker 17: Carlisle established when he got here, and then as part

2255
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:14,640
Speaker 17: of that it's had hard play mentality and making no

2256
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:17,520
Speaker 17: excuses about it. But you're right, win or loss, it

2257
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:21,400
Speaker 17: is remarkable that these are even games sometimes given the

2258
02:00:21,400 --> 02:00:24,839
Speaker 17: combinations and the unfamiliarity some of them have with one another.

2259
02:00:25,120 --> 02:00:28,720
Speaker 17: But the disappointment obviously is one game after another there's

2260
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 17: another player either added to the injury list or back

2261
02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:34,560
Speaker 17: on it, like as the case with Furfey as well

2262
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:35,440
Speaker 17: as Quentin Jackson.

2263
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:38,560
Speaker 1: Last night, is Jaris Walker growing up before our very eyes?

2264
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:39,920
Speaker 1: Is it finally happening?

2265
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 17: I think so in baby Steps year three, getting that

2266
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:47,920
Speaker 17: opportunity had to sit and just watch last season during

2267
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:50,560
Speaker 17: the NBA Finals, which had to tear you up right

2268
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:52,560
Speaker 17: like he would have played a role against that team

2269
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:55,800
Speaker 17: given their length and size and athleticism and the need

2270
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:58,680
Speaker 17: for defense at times and those certain things. And so yeah,

2271
02:00:58,680 --> 02:01:02,160
Speaker 17: I thought last night games ago where a perfect example

2272
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:05,560
Speaker 17: of him taking more on his plate, him looking for

2273
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:09,480
Speaker 17: his shots, him being more patient offensively, certainly tons of

2274
02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:13,120
Speaker 17: room for growth, and I think that's what is encouraging here.

2275
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:15,680
Speaker 17: But him getting a start and making the most of

2276
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:19,080
Speaker 17: it was a very favorable sign in this current makeup

2277
02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:21,760
Speaker 17: of what they have to get accomplished with little means

2278
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:22,240
Speaker 17: right now.

2279
02:01:22,280 --> 02:01:26,000
Speaker 1: But I think for me, Jaris Walker Scott is finally

2280
02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:31,200
Speaker 1: showing two things. He's showing an aggressive an aggression coming

2281
02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:33,960
Speaker 1: off the curl where he's looking for the ball because

2282
02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:38,040
Speaker 1: he wants to attack the basket and if that's not

2283
02:01:38,160 --> 02:01:41,600
Speaker 1: the case, he is not afraid to then pull up

2284
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,320
Speaker 1: for a three. But he's using both hands. He had

2285
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:45,960
Speaker 1: a couple of plays last night where he finished with

2286
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:49,960
Speaker 1: his left and he just looks more. He looks finally

2287
02:01:51,160 --> 02:01:55,720
Speaker 1: like the offense is instinctive to him and not reactionary

2288
02:01:55,800 --> 02:01:58,720
Speaker 1: to him. Do you agree or disagree? Yeah?

2289
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:01,720
Speaker 17: I agree, and I think he's right on time. I

2290
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:04,160
Speaker 17: wouldn't say he's behind by any means either. I think

2291
02:02:04,360 --> 02:02:06,640
Speaker 17: I mean Donnie wash taught us years ago. My first

2292
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:08,920
Speaker 17: year's on the beat. You got to give these players

2293
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:12,760
Speaker 17: three sometimes centers four years to figure out what they are. Well,

2294
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:15,760
Speaker 17: here's Jaris Walker making the most of his opportunity. You're right,

2295
02:02:15,800 --> 02:02:17,840
Speaker 17: I think you're seeing a lot more balance in what

2296
02:02:17,880 --> 02:02:21,640
Speaker 17: he's contributing because the book on him coming in versatile defender,

2297
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:25,120
Speaker 17: can defend almost every position, can space the floor well,

2298
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:28,920
Speaker 17: play within whatever defense you're wanting, and then also get

2299
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:31,160
Speaker 17: to the basket, knocked down some shots, and I think

2300
02:02:31,160 --> 02:02:33,760
Speaker 17: he's shown a lot more than that and will continue

2301
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:34,160
Speaker 17: to do so.

2302
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Speaker 1: Okay, now the other side of it, Isaiah Jackson. Last night,

2303
02:02:40,280 --> 02:02:44,720
Speaker 1: I was very encouraged with Isaiah Jackson, and it seemed

2304
02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:47,240
Speaker 1: like because I was worried Scott, and I know it's

2305
02:02:47,360 --> 02:02:50,000
Speaker 1: really early, so it's unfair, but I was worried that

2306
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:52,480
Speaker 1: Isaiah Jackson coming off the Achilles might have lost a

2307
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:55,040
Speaker 1: little bit of what we saw from Isaiah Jackson before,

2308
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:58,280
Speaker 1: and notably because that's the blueprint on what we then

2309
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:02,800
Speaker 1: will see different. Everybody's different, I get it. But if

2310
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:05,400
Speaker 1: Halliburton's coming back same injury, you know how much does

2311
02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:09,560
Speaker 1: a player lose, et cetera. I thought Jackson last night,

2312
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:12,520
Speaker 1: for the first time, started to show a little bit

2313
02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:15,480
Speaker 1: of who we thought he could be. But is that

2314
02:03:15,600 --> 02:03:16,760
Speaker 1: also sustainable?

2315
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:20,440
Speaker 17: Amazing what great motivation can do right, Like you could

2316
02:03:20,440 --> 02:03:22,680
Speaker 17: hear from him the night before when he was asked

2317
02:03:22,720 --> 02:03:25,120
Speaker 17: about this matchup, he go, oh, we'll be ready, We'll

2318
02:03:25,160 --> 02:03:27,680
Speaker 17: be ready. That shows the other side when talking about

2319
02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:30,640
Speaker 17: how we started this conversation with Miles Turner, Jackson was

2320
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:33,080
Speaker 17: the protege, the next in line, was supposed to be

2321
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:35,880
Speaker 17: his backup for the next several years, and so he

2322
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:39,960
Speaker 17: certainly rose to the challenge and showed great glimpses. I thought,

2323
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:42,760
Speaker 17: And keep in mind here it was today, one year

2324
02:03:42,800 --> 02:03:46,160
Speaker 17: ago when he had surgery. So I mean, the Achilles

2325
02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:48,400
Speaker 17: injury is one of the worst there is, and I

2326
02:03:48,440 --> 02:03:50,720
Speaker 17: almost feel like it's not fair to completely judge one

2327
02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:53,160
Speaker 17: of those players until maybe a year and a half

2328
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:56,200
Speaker 17: in when they completely have their footing, their confidence, they're

2329
02:03:56,200 --> 02:03:58,680
Speaker 17: not looking down every step, that sort of thing, and

2330
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:01,280
Speaker 17: I thought he looked a lot more confident in let's

2331
02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:03,600
Speaker 17: be real, the biggest thing is he stayed out of

2332
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:05,720
Speaker 17: foul trouble the last couple of games. That's the thing

2333
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:08,800
Speaker 17: that's really slowed him down very early in games when

2334
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:11,600
Speaker 17: he gets four thousand six minutes and then isn't on

2335
02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:14,200
Speaker 17: the bench in the third until the third quarter, and

2336
02:04:14,240 --> 02:04:17,400
Speaker 17: then you can't play the same way because you're overthinking. Again,

2337
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:19,640
Speaker 17: there's growing pains and he's just twenty three years old.

2338
02:04:19,640 --> 02:04:22,040
Speaker 17: But you are exactly right. I thought last night was

2339
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:25,920
Speaker 17: a big, big moment for Jackson in a big situation

2340
02:04:26,120 --> 02:04:27,640
Speaker 17: going against Miles Turner.

2341
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:30,640
Speaker 1: Lastly, Scott, do we have any update on the status

2342
02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:33,640
Speaker 1: moving forward of Quentin Jackson or Johnny Furfey, both of

2343
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:34,960
Speaker 1: which had injury last night.

2344
02:04:36,120 --> 02:04:39,120
Speaker 17: No, nothing yet, mostly because the team had no practice

2345
02:04:39,200 --> 02:04:43,160
Speaker 17: today and so expecting an update as soon as five o'clock.

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Speaker 17: When we'll have the injury update that is announced before

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Speaker 17: tomorrow's game. But both injuries, I mean read reports where

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Speaker 17: Johnny Furfey was on crutches postgame, well, that suggests he's

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Speaker 17: gonna certainly need some time. And then a hamstring, same

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Speaker 17: leg for Quinton Jackson. That's the trouble with hamstrings as

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Speaker 17: they just linger and something clearly just you know, he

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Speaker 17: felt it.

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Speaker 1: Quentin Jackson just was like, look, I'm going right to

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Speaker 1: the locker room, like I don't even know if he

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Speaker 1: waited till the time out right, Yeah, and those guys

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Speaker 1: know right away.

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Speaker 17: And so just knowing basketball, that's probably at least two

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Speaker 17: weeks for him, hopefully that's the minimum. But again, it

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Speaker 17: looks like two injuries that are going to be on

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Speaker 17: the list for a short time here unfortunately, and given

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Speaker 17: both guys that had showed signs of really breaking out

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Speaker 17: and taking advantage of this opportunity. But I mean, we're

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Speaker 17: at about double digits now, Jake, of players on the

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Speaker 17: injury report. It's just not fun to cover going from

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Speaker 17: fever to Pacers now, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No doubt it was. And again and Furfey, for those

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Speaker 1: that missed it, Furfey had a break he was It

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Speaker 1: looked like he was going to try to set up

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Speaker 1: for Duncan on the baseline just you know, ended up

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Speaker 1: going down and then got up and tried to limp

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Speaker 1: for another set or two and then time out and

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Speaker 1: he found his way to the sidelines as well.

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Speaker 17: It makes me wonder why more players, Jake don't wear

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Speaker 17: high top shoes because if we don't like this type

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Speaker 17: of injury, I know, yeah, it felt like this type

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Speaker 17: of injury would have been prevented. We don't know, but

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Speaker 17: the way in which it rolled on a low top

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Speaker 17: way more likely.

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Speaker 1: I mean psychologically, if anything, you just feel it's weird.

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Speaker 1: You feel psychologically like you've got like some sort of

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Speaker 1: bracer protection there. All right. Scott Fieldhouse files coverage for

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Speaker 1: the Pacers moving forward. Appreciate the time as always, Absolutely

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Speaker 1: thanks Jake. Scott Agnes joining us on the Java House

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Speaker 1: We'll hand it off to John next. And if that

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Speaker 1: dance that Whitney's singing about is the tango, we know

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Speaker 1: that it takes two to do exactly that. And Chris

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Speaker 1: Ballard found a dance partner in the New York Jets.

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Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner is on his way to Indianapolis in exchange

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Speaker 1: for two first rounders, and Ady Mitchell Perdue getting underway

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Speaker 1: to night six thirty against Evansville the number one Boilers

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Speaker 1: to begin their quest towards maintaining in that position. Tonight,

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Speaker 1: college football playoff rankings come out for the first time

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Speaker 1: at eight o'clock. Again, I said earlier, I know that

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Speaker 1: it will not be the case. I think Indiana should

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Speaker 1: be number one. I'm sure they won't but either way

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Speaker 1: they are going to be at the worst. I would

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Speaker 1: think number two, JMV has arrived. He's got a big

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Speaker 1: show lined up, I would imagine, and I have a

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Speaker 1: feeling I know what a vast majority of the conversation

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Speaker 1: will be about. John.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I also go to talk a little Major League

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Speaker 16: Baseball Andrews all of the season.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Get somebody out from Toronto talking about the disappointment.

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Speaker 16: So you know where I really want to go with this,

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Speaker 16: But I'm not going on because.

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 15: You know you and I.

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Speaker 16: I'd be very cryptic just between you and I right there.

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Speaker 16: You know where I really want to go, but I'm not.

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Speaker 10: I hear you.

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Speaker 16: I do know, So we'd have fun with that too,

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Speaker 16: but then we'd end up getting it right back. So

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Speaker 16: it would be pretty funny.

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Speaker 1: Though. No, I listen, I don't know.

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Speaker 16: What this and how this will work out, but I

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Speaker 16: do know this is what I wanted, this is what

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Speaker 16: you wanted. I think everybody was fairly, if not completely

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Speaker 16: unanimous about what they wanted out of this trade deadline.

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Speaker 16: And this is Chris Ballad and the Colts acting differently

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Speaker 16: during free agency, doing what they did and now acting

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Speaker 16: differently going into the trade deadline knowing what you have

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Speaker 16: and not thinking about the future and building the future

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Speaker 16: thinking about what you've accomplished at seven and two. Right

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02:08:58,080 --> 02:09:02,480
Speaker 16: now the AFC, what's you need is obvious and going

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Speaker 16: out and getting somebody that you believe can be a

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Speaker 16: difference maker in that capacity. That's what they did. Now

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Speaker 16: we may end up having to wear the fact that

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Speaker 16: they gave him. Maybe one of these days, Jake, it'll

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Speaker 16: read well, they gave up too much for sauce Gardner.

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Speaker 16: But right now, I don't think anybody's going to suggest

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Speaker 16: that because you're doing what you're trying to do to

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Speaker 16: build in the moment, in the now on this team,

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Speaker 16: and it makes total sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Again. And the other thing John that I keep

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Speaker 1: going to, You know, Chris Ballard, no one loves draft

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Speaker 1: capital more than Chris Ballard, right, And to give up

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Speaker 1: two first rounders, to me, that means he knows or

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Speaker 1: anticipates that they are going to be very late first

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Speaker 1: rounders because he expects now for them to be all

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Speaker 1: in and make a deep run. That is going to

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Speaker 1: be drafting. You know, thirty of thirty. That's a sweet

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Speaker 1: shirt you.

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Speaker 16: Got off thank you, buddy, subpop Seattle, Washington down with

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Speaker 16: draft Capital. I hate Draft Capital by as much as

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Speaker 16: I wanted to hear about entertaining losses last night. Surely

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Speaker 16: we can't start that doorkery that notary.

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Speaker 1: Orl victory last night. They did play hard.

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Speaker 16: You gotta play hard. Yeah, but they lost. They did

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Speaker 16: play hard. So yeah, and hopefully this all works out

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Speaker 16: the way that I think everybody wants it to worry.

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Speaker 16: I don't know about you, but I want to go

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Speaker 16: to Santa Claara with Bullseye coming up here in late January,

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Speaker 16: early February. So hell yeah, that's.

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Speaker 1: Listen, that's and you know they're in the position. Now

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Speaker 1: look at the teams, John, if you look at who

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Speaker 1: we anticipate, Let's just say the Colts stay healthy and

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Speaker 1: are on this trajectory, right, who are the two teams

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Speaker 1: that you would anticipate are going to be the roadblocks

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Speaker 1: between where they are and getting to the super Bowl

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Speaker 1: Kansas City or Buffalo? And what do those teams do?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 1: Pass the ball? And now they've got if Moody Ward

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Speaker 1: comes back, you've got basically shutdowns on both sides, right, yeah, And.

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Speaker 16: Think about just within the division, too, because you do

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Speaker 16: have Exonville kind of getting a little sneaky there. We

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Speaker 16: know that they go out and get Jacobe Myers early

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Speaker 16: on the day a wide receiver, and Travis Hunter is injured.

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Speaker 16: I know that Thomas has been dealing with injuries too,

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Speaker 16: But they got and try to solidify a position Jake

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Speaker 16: that they needed to solidify, just like the Colts did today.

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Speaker 16: I mean, it all makes sense. We've just not been

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Speaker 16: down this path, and frankly, I don't think we've been

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02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:23,480
Speaker 16: sitting in this position watching this team play right now

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Speaker 16: where it made overwhelming sense to go down this particular path.

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Speaker 16: But I'm glad that they have. I'm glad that they're

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Speaker 16: going for it, and I love the enthusiasm that this

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Speaker 16: has injected into the Colts fan base and Indie right here.

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Speaker 16: It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Did you go last night, by the way, I did not.

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Speaker 16: I watched from home. I watched Denari and Quinn and

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Speaker 16: JJ and Eddie Gill.

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Speaker 1: Could you hear the booze through?

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Speaker 15: Oh?

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02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:47,840
Speaker 16: Yeah, I heard it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I completely understand it too.

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Speaker 16: I'm not mad at anybody for doing it, and I've

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Speaker 16: tried to explain as to why, and you know, Miles

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Speaker 16: has you know said he says sometimes all right things

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02:12:00,680 --> 02:12:03,440
Speaker 16: and at other times none of the right things. So

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02:12:03,640 --> 02:12:05,600
Speaker 16: he needs to balance that out better. Somebody needs to

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Speaker 16: advise when he talks, especially when he gets loose and

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02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:13,520
Speaker 16: company he feels really comfortable with. He needs some better

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Speaker 16: advice because he's the one that blanked all this. Nobody

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Speaker 16: cares that he left. Everybody will still beyond him if

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Speaker 16: he left for money. But I understand that. You understand

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Speaker 16: that right you leave from Milwaukee, But it's just what

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Speaker 16: you say about your team, and this team here wants

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Speaker 16: to win, and they embrace me, and the fans embrace me,

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Speaker 16: and all that stuff will come back to haunt.

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Speaker 1: You have to wear that.

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Speaker 16: In the last four months, that's been a lot of

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Speaker 16: the dialogue. And he presently Jake is wearing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely.

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Speaker 16: And I tell what else he's wearing. He's wearing the

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Speaker 16: Simona's years in Milwaukee, because he's gonna be staked out

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02:12:46,600 --> 02:12:49,840
Speaker 16: in the what should I call it, the uh Mick

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Speaker 16: bjork Grint offense, the McMillan offense. He's gonna be in

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02:12:53,160 --> 02:12:56,720
Speaker 16: the corner while Jannis does what Yannis wants to do

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02:12:56,960 --> 02:12:59,840
Speaker 16: and that's never worked well for him. It's not going

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02:12:59,880 --> 02:13:02,280
Speaker 16: to work well for it. A lot of time last night,

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Speaker 16: and then he wait until he plays with Karl, Anthony

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02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:06,920
Speaker 16: Towns and Miles McBride whenever he Giannist wants to leave

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02:13:06,920 --> 02:13:09,160
Speaker 16: for New York too, because that's gonna come up next year.

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Speaker 1: Don't put the baby in the corner. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: touch it up next. We will be back with you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to everybody that texted in by the way as well.

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Speaker 1: It was a busy, busy afternoon with that news. John

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Speaker 1: will have more of it next and I thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening to Quarrying Company.