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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us. Later,

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Speaker 1: Morgan State University Professor Ray Wimbush will examine Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: controversial claims that civil rights caused the white people to

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Speaker 1: be badly treated. That's a quote, by the way. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Wimbush will also break down several international domestic issues, including Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Greenland,

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Speaker 1: and the ongoing Ice protest. But before we hear from

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Speaker 1: Doc Wimbush, writer Simeon book A Muhammad, we will deliver

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Speaker 1: our compelling UFO update momentarily. Edwin event from the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Cleansure School for Boys will kick off the session. But first,

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Speaker 1: let's get Kevin to open the classroom doors on this

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, coll Nelson, it's a heavy door today.

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Speaker 3: It's a heavy door that we're pushing. Man, how you feeling.

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm still learning, brother.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, got to be consistent about that.

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Speaker 1: And as we discussed, but you know, the more you learn,

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Speaker 1: the more you grow. If you stop learning, you stop growing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, and you're like ten feet tall. You're a

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning. I'm I'm still trying to grow. I'm

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Speaker 1: still lying. And the other thing too, which is really true, Kevin. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the more you know, the more you know that you

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Speaker 1: You think you know it all, but there's so much, much, much,

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting parallel, no doubt about that. And you

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Speaker 1: To learn exactly, not only that. Here's the other key too,

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Speaker 1: So that's the key though. Do you utilize what you

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Speaker 2: But anyway, oh yeah, or you can try and change

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Speaker 1: Okay, what has he done? Now? Well, wake up every

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Speaker 1: What has he gotten us into a war? What has

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Speaker 2: He According to the Cleveland newspaper Cleveland dot com News,

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Speaker 2: So, which is totally juxtaposed to what you just said

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Speaker 1: and it may not doesn't have to be the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Kevin could be your neighbor, it could be your supervisor

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Speaker 2: Gone before the promotional considerations. That's the way it is

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: And thank you. Hopefully we'll have Edwin Evatt from the

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Speaker 2: Well, it seems that in my small survey of people

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Speaker 2: So for those who are just tuning in, right, President

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Speaker 1: Here, right, So what we want to hear from you? Family?

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Speaker 1: ruling on civil rights coming up, and it goes all

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Speaker 1: the way back to the fourteenth Amendment, dred Scott and

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Speaker 1: all that, all of that in there where we're whether

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Speaker 1: we were citizens or not. If it's finding a way

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Speaker 1: to take away denaturalize us, if you will, or take

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Speaker 1: away our citizenship, this is this is will be in

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Speaker 1: this process. This is what greg has been telling us.

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Speaker 1: Gregor from North Carolina, those of you who listen to

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Speaker 1: this program on a regular basis, he fleshes that out

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Speaker 1: and he's been warning us. But my thing is, and

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Speaker 1: I said this before and I'll say it again, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: is to the fact that the people who like the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court, or even your mechanic or or even your teacher,

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Speaker 1: or even your boss, what are they going to say

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Speaker 1: if they if they're like you said that Trump's and

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Speaker 1: they're out and out waving the Trump flag, And what

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Speaker 1: if they when they deal with you, how are they

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Speaker 1: gonna deal with you? Now they've got me, Okay, they

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Speaker 1: got the high shine from the boss that you've gotten

452
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Speaker 1: too much already, So you may not get that rage,

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Speaker 1: you may not get that promotion, and you're probably scratching

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Speaker 1: your head and try to figure out why your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Well, man, it's hard to it's hard to duck the

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Speaker 2: rock until it's thrown at you. So it certainly would

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Speaker 2: seem to affect some business owners. It certainly seems to

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Speaker 2: affect some people in leadership positions. But if they are

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Speaker 2: really about their education, like you said, continually learning, at

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Speaker 2: some point you realize that the rhetoric coming from the

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Speaker 2: White House and it's just that it's it's something to

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Speaker 2: grab the headlines. And what is it distracting us from?

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Speaker 2: What is it designed to hide or what is he

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Speaker 2: hiding by by throwing out this kind of vitrol?

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Speaker 3: You know, what do you think? I'll tell?

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Speaker 1: Well, let's ask brother Gregory and Upper Marlborough. He's online too.

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Speaker 1: Let's sak his thoughts, Grand Rising, Brother Gregory, your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on this discussion this morning?

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Speaker 5: Hey, brother Cale, how you doing man?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning? Brother, How about yourself?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we're ever learning for sure. And of course,

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Speaker 5: your guest to Grand Rising, this whole business of Trump

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Speaker 5: is one of the most bizarre phenomenons I've ever witnessed.

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Speaker 5: And and in this regard.

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Speaker 4: There's this and I want to I would like to hear.

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Speaker 5: The response of the Faith brothers one day, because there's

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Speaker 5: this kind of move amongst pastors and even black pastors,

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Speaker 5: as if it's forbidden to even constructively criticize Trump.

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Speaker 4: I think right there, brother man, let.

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Speaker 1: Me jump in. I was. I was pleasantly surprised the

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Speaker 1: last time the Faith Brothers was here because they actually

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Speaker 1: went in on Donald Trump. You know, we talked about

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Speaker 1: the rapture and I was like, wow, uh, because you're right,

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Speaker 1: I've never heard them like that before. And actually Kevin

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Speaker 1: and myself had discussed this this morning too, about the

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Speaker 1: Faith Brothers last time we're here, because we were discussing

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Speaker 1: this this very statement that Donald Trump made and and

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Speaker 1: we said, you know, the Faith Brothers maybe they turned

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Speaker 1: them where they woke up or they felt this way.

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Speaker 1: But for the first time and all the times have

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Speaker 1: been here, they sounded the alarm about you know, six

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Speaker 1: sixty six and the rapture and the end days and

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Speaker 1: you know, just all of it about Donald Trump. Go

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Speaker 1: ahead and finish your thought.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and what what. I'm a man of faith two

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Speaker 4: and I'm involved in ministry.

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Speaker 5: So that's why it's almost like I've been really surprised.

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Speaker 4: You know, at the response of some ministers, even black ministers,

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Speaker 4: when it came to Trump.

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Speaker 5: It's almost like it's forbidden. It's forbidden to even criticize him.

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Speaker 5: And also the biggest thing, uh or biggest reason or

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Speaker 5: justification for them supporting Trump was the the l g

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Speaker 5: b t Q stuff, all of the non binary stuff,

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Speaker 5: all all the crazy stuff that the Democrats were advocated.

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Speaker 5: But my position was is that I didn't agree with

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Speaker 5: any of that stuff either, but not at the price

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Speaker 5: of a dictator.

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Speaker 6: So it's hard.

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Speaker 4: For some bizarre reason, there's there's a heavy move in Christianity,

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Speaker 4: especially Black Christianity, that.

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Speaker 5: They believe when when the Trump says, or you know,

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Speaker 5: the Republicans say that they're against all of these lgbt

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Speaker 5: Q stuff and all that you know, alphabet situation, they

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Speaker 5: actually believe believe what he said, and it's almost like

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Speaker 5: they don't have the discernment to determine that this guy

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Speaker 5: is just basically pandering too, you.

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Speaker 4: Know that community. But in essence, again, I think that

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Speaker 4: being voting or supporting a dictator is way more dangerous

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Speaker 4: than the.

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Speaker 5: Lgbt alphabet situation, which is equally wrong.

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Speaker 4: But like what we saw happen.

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Speaker 5: Up in Minnesota where the young lady white lady might

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Speaker 5: add the guy you know, got killed in cold blood.

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Speaker 5: That's what happens of the dictatorships. And just because it

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Speaker 5: hadn't got to your front door yet, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 5: it's not coming to your front door one day.

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Speaker 1: Well, brother Gregor, he thought day twenty eight or after

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Speaker 1: top the own family just checking in, waiting on I

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Speaker 1: guess the call. But from having this this discussion, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump says civil rights were very bad for white people.

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Speaker 1: He said that, and this is what brother Gregory's discussing.

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Speaker 1: But brother brother Gregory said he support us. But brother Gregor, here,

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Speaker 1: here's the deal. Though, the people who support Donald Trump allheartedly.

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Speaker 1: This is par for the course. That's this is the

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Speaker 1: reason they support him. So this is this is for them,

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Speaker 1: This is nothing new. They're cheering on and say, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you because I've been reading. I'm on

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Speaker 1: this conservative website here and I'm reading you know, they

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Speaker 1: got the story that I'm reading the comments, and all

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Speaker 1: the Trump's are still still behind him. They're still backing.

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Speaker 1: They still believe what he's saying. He's still a messiah.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're seeing it a dictator. They seem something else.

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Speaker 1: They don't see hm as a dictator. They see as

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Speaker 1: a messiah, he wants to rule the world. But they

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Speaker 1: don't see it that way. They see that he and

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the religion. They think that he's God's gift

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Speaker 1: to the world. But why an't you finish your thought?

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Speaker 5: And he will hear the contradiction and the hypocrisy of it.

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Speaker 5: And they use a biblical justification, you know, basically, and

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Speaker 5: I'm paraphrasing, is that that God is responsible for our leadership.

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Speaker 5: But these same people, because I used to listen to

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Speaker 5: these white evangelical was on another another radio station and

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Speaker 5: stuff like that, those same people who use that biblical

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Speaker 5: justification to say that you're not supposed to criticize or

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Speaker 5: you know, have any opposition to whatever leader has.

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Speaker 4: Been put in place. Those same people hated.

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Speaker 6: Barack Obama's guts.

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Speaker 4: And they talked about him like a dog.

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Speaker 6: So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't.

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Speaker 5: Understand how black people fall for that deception because you know, again,

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Speaker 5: they used scripture and stuff like that in a limited fashion.

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Speaker 6: For their for their benefit.

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Speaker 5: But when it came to again, barot all of those

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Speaker 5: type of concepts without the window, he was the Atichrist.

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Speaker 7: He was he was a Muslim.

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Speaker 5: He was going to basically cause jihad and every every

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Speaker 5: negative thing they talked bad about the man's you know

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Speaker 5: about the first lady, they said she was really a man,

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Speaker 5: all that crazy stuff, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So that's all right there, brother, that was that. That

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Speaker 1: was started by a tangent of of of Trump's people.

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Speaker 1: That's the MAGA group started that. And the sad part

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Speaker 1: about that, You've had black people amplifying that, saying that,

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Speaker 1: saying what they.

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Speaker 5: Saw, what they that's my first three yes.

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Speaker 1: But it's an ambassador. They agree with you.

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Speaker 4: I agree with that last point you made. That's what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying again, for the record, I'm not broad brushing

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Speaker 4: all you know pastors or Christian past black Christian pastors,

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Speaker 4: but a lot of.

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Speaker 5: The very prominent ones, very visible ones, you know, they

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Speaker 5: were like basically chastising black.

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Speaker 4: People, saying that you can't be a Christian if you

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Speaker 4: don't vote for Donald Trump. They were saying stuff.

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Speaker 5: Like that, and so I was like, wow, I couldn't

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Speaker 5: believe it. And I don't support either a political party,

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Speaker 5: Maori party, malory concerned is an objective truth. I'm backing

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Speaker 5: up nothing but truth.

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Speaker 4: But I saw the potential off the break of this

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Speaker 4: guy that's in that's in the big here right now.

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Speaker 4: I saw him as being extremely dangerous and nothing that's

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Speaker 4: taken place right now.

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Speaker 1: Surprisingly gotcha, Thank you, brother Greg. Great calling from Upper Marlboro.

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Speaker 1: I guess they do an advantage here. But we'll wait

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Speaker 1: for him for a moment. We got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: folks want to speak to us. Let's go to Mark

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore City's online one Grand Rise in Mark.

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Speaker 8: Yes, good, good morning.

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Speaker 9: Can hear me?

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Speaker 1: Okay, sure we can hear you find Mark.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, good morning. I hope everyone have a meaningful king

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Speaker 8: National Holiday next money, assuming it's not rescinded, buddy dictator

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Speaker 8: in the White House down in Washington, who knows. But

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Speaker 8: my main point contention is that certain people in this

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Speaker 8: country would like to take over other countries, for example, Greenland, Columbia.

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Speaker 8: Who knows what and when the people of Greenland and Denmark,

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Speaker 8: which Denmark is like the autonomous mother of Greenland says no,

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Speaker 8: they will do, not want to be under United States

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Speaker 8: sovereignty or even sell Greenland to the United States any thing.

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Speaker 8: They mean exactly what she said. No, how is it

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Speaker 8: that certain people in the White House regime. Don't understand

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Speaker 8: the word no. They don't want to be occupied. They

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Speaker 8: don't want the US in there at all. What is

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Speaker 8: what language?

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Speaker 10: Don't they understand as far as national somebody, each country

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Speaker 10: is different. And this whole thing about the Monroe doctrine, Uh, well,

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Speaker 10: I know what the Monroe doctrine is the Unfortunately it's

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Speaker 10: the United States appears to be the aggressive. What do

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Speaker 10: you think about that?

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right on that mark. But you're back to Greenland.

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Speaker 1: He says he's going to take it whether they like

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Speaker 1: it or not. At first he's taught about using force

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Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about this with Dr Weimbush.

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Speaker 1: And then he says he's going to buy them or

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Speaker 1: give them one thousand dollars or one hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: whatever money each one in Greenland will get. But they

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Speaker 1: say they don't want to be Americans. They want to

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Speaker 1: bet they want to stay there there are they want

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Speaker 1: to stay on the on the on the Denmark and Denmark.

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Speaker 1: People in Denmark are saying, well, maybe we should rename

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Speaker 1: its Epstein Epstein Island. And then Donald Trump won't even

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Speaker 1: mention Greenland. So that's a that's a big joke coming

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Speaker 1: out of den these days. But listen, we got to

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Speaker 1: check the news and trafficking weather. I guess ed Thank

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Speaker 1: you Mark calling us from Baltimore, twenty three minutes away

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Speaker 1: from the top of our family. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: with Edwin Event from the Baltimore Cleachiic School for Boys

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Speaker 1: when we get back, but first we got to check

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Speaker 1: the news trafficking weather in our different cities. And then

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Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls for Edwin at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four to five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll do

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Speaker 1: that next Grand Rising family, sixteen minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: top of it. Thanks for starting your Tuesday with us,

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Speaker 1: ma'm michall. We're gonna speak with Baltimore Cleture School for Boys.

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Speaker 1: Is Edwin Event Before we do that, that just will

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Speaker 1: remind you come up to lay this morning. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: speak with Morgan State University professor doctor ray Winbush because

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Speaker 1: he's one of the things we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: where we were discussing before we left about Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: a controversial claim that civil rights This is a quote

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Speaker 1: the breakout of note from Mark from Anaheim. Because Greg,

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Speaker 1: Gregory Mark says, that was all started by Hillary Clinton's

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Speaker 1: campaign staff after he dropped out of the race. Republicans

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Speaker 1: it up. So thanks to Mark for reminder us about that.

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Speaker 1: Before we speak with doctor Wimbush on that issue, we're

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Speaker 1: Palace is going to be with this. This is going

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Speaker 1: to be a fascinating interview with Greg Palace because he

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Speaker 1: So he's going to share some insights into that with us,

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Speaker 1: and also Ambassador Ariana Chimbori. Quad is going to tell

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Speaker 1: us again the Africa one oh one Africa's rising. So

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Speaker 1: if you are in Baltimore and make sure you keep

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Speaker 1: it radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB or

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Speaker 1: if you're in the DMV family, we're in the fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty w L All right, Edwin grind Rising, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the pro.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, Carl, how are you this morning?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Brother, I'm still learning. How about yourself?

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Speaker 4: You good? Oh? Yes, sir, I'm blessed.

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Speaker 6: I'm blessed, holly favored. As I like to say, all.

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Speaker 1: Is well with Baltimore Cleare School for Boys. Bring us

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Speaker 1: up today. What's going on with the school?

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 4: As you know, Carl, and I thank you very much

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Speaker 4: for following.

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Speaker 6: Us and supporting us. Tomorrow is the vote by Baltimore

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Speaker 6: City School's Board of Commissioners as to whether or not

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Speaker 6: they're going to vote to extend our charter so that

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Speaker 6: we can continue to do the work of educating young

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Speaker 6: black boys in Baltimore from fourth grade to eighth grade.

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Speaker 6: As I shared with you before, every so many years

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Speaker 6: we have to reapply to extend our charter, and this

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Speaker 6: year we reapply for our charter and the CEO of

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Speaker 6: Baltimore City Schools, the out going CEO of Baltimore City Schools,

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Speaker 6: doctor Sonya and Santelisa's recommended that they not renew us. Now. Fortunately,

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Speaker 6: the you know, it's the recommendation. Now the Board of

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Speaker 6: Commissioners or the Board of Education in Baltimore is called

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Speaker 6: the Border Commissioners. They have to make their own decision

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Speaker 6: them vote as to whether or not they will extend

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Speaker 6: our charter. And so we've been working hard ever since

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Speaker 6: they gave us that notice. We've been building a big

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Speaker 6: movement of advocacy throughout Baltimore. US want to thank all

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Speaker 6: the people of Baltimore who have come to our aid

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Speaker 6: to support us, and we've sent in letters, petitions, emails,

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Speaker 6: phone calls, videos, all those things from people in the

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Speaker 6: city who know how important it is to have a

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Speaker 6: school like Baltimore Collegiate School for Boys. For those who

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Speaker 6: don't know, one of the special things that's happening at

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Speaker 6: our school, we go from fourth grade to eighth grade.

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Speaker 6: What we're doing is kind of turning around the academic

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Speaker 6: outcomes for young black boys in the city, such that

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Speaker 6: once they graduate from our school, they go on to

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Speaker 6: graduate from high school at a ninety plus percent rate

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Speaker 6: compared to boys for the same backgrounds that are only

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Speaker 6: graduating at sixty percent from Baltimore high schools. And so

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Speaker 6: we feel a very important niche in Baltimore in getting

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Speaker 6: boys ready. One of the big things is we're trying

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Speaker 6: to get them to go to college. That's why our

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Speaker 6: school is Baltimore Collegiate School. We're trying to get them

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Speaker 6: to go to college. In almost fifty percent of the

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Speaker 6: boys who are graduating from high school are heading off

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Speaker 6: to a two or four year college. So it's really

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Speaker 6: important for us right now that the Border Commissioners support

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Speaker 6: us and vote in our favor. And so that is

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Speaker 6: our prayer. That's what we've been advocating for. And I

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Speaker 6: feel optimistic all right.

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Speaker 1: Two away from the top, and why would you? Why

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Speaker 1: is the school on the microshraft? What do they say?

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Speaker 1: What was wrong with the school? Why they want to

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Speaker 1: recind your charter?

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Speaker 6: Well, there's a couple of things.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: They have these different rubrics where they measure a variety

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Speaker 6: of things. One of the things that they said was

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Speaker 6: that we weren't an academic success, and so they based

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Speaker 6: those comments off of the standardized test scores that happened

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Speaker 6: in the states, the mcat sor the Maryland Comprehensive Assessment Program,

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Speaker 6: and so all the students are measured there, and they're

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Speaker 6: saying that our boys don't score high enough on those

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Speaker 6: standardized tests. And we don't necessarily dispute their claim, but

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Speaker 6: you know, here's a challenge because we're starting the fourth

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Speaker 6: grade and the other entry point in the sixth grade.

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Speaker 6: We're taking boys from other schools that have been educating

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Speaker 6: in Baltimore City schools, and unfortunately, for those who know

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Speaker 6: what's happening in Baltimore City schools, much like what's happening

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Speaker 6: across the country with regards to young black males, their

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Speaker 6: test scores are already very low. They're coming in quite

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Speaker 6: often reading two and three grade levels below grade level.

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Speaker 6: So fourth grade boys are reading at kindergarten and first

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Speaker 6: grade levels, and sixth grade boys are coming in reading

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Speaker 6: at second grade levels. And so what we're spending a

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Speaker 6: lot of our time doing is remediating and bringing boys scores,

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Speaker 6: bringing their skills up to trying to get them up

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Speaker 6: to grade level. But when you're doing that, you might progress,

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Speaker 6: say a boy in fourth grade who's reading at a

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Speaker 6: kindergarten level, we might get them up to second grade

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Speaker 6: level by the end of the school year. However, when

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Speaker 6: he takes that standardized test, it's still below grade level.

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Speaker 6: So we really for ourselves, we look at growth, We

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Speaker 6: look at are we moving that boy when he comes

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Speaker 6: to us, And in fact, we are moving those boys.

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Speaker 6: And so that's what we're trying to say to them.

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Speaker 6: Not only that is, if you disaggregate data and match

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Speaker 6: our boys against boys all across Baltimore City in the

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Speaker 6: same grade levels from the same economic background, our boys

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Speaker 6: either surpass or equal to mostly all of them. So

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Speaker 6: you would have to close probably about twenty schools in

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Speaker 6: Baltimore if that was the standard. So that's one thing.

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Speaker 6: The other thing is they said that we don't have

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Speaker 6: enough money. So in fact, one of the things that

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Speaker 6: we're dealing with with all charter schools here in the

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Speaker 6: state of Maryland, particularly in the city of Baltimore, where

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Speaker 6: the city used to take a two percent overhead feed

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Speaker 6: from our per pupil allocation, two years ago, they began

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Speaker 6: taking twenty five percent, So that per pupil allocation is

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Speaker 6: how much money we get paid per student.

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Speaker 4: To educate the students.

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Speaker 6: And so it went from us having ninety eight percent

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Speaker 6: of the money to educate them to seventy five percent

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Speaker 6: of the money to educate them, which put a tremendous

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Speaker 6: hardship on mostly all the charter schools in Baltimore City,

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Speaker 6: and we weren't immune to that. So their concern that

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Speaker 6: going forward we won't be able to raise enough private

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Speaker 6: money or drive our enrollment up high enough that we

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Speaker 6: could offset the deficit that we have had to overcome

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Speaker 6: because when they began taking that much, that cost us

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Speaker 6: about eight hundred thousand dollars a year that we have

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Speaker 6: to try to close that gap. So those are their concerns,

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Speaker 6: academic performance and financial and we believe that when we

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Speaker 6: three years ago when they gave us our renewal, we

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Speaker 6: told them that this was going to be a five

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Speaker 6: year turnaround for the academics. We're in year three of

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Speaker 6: our five years. We really believe in another couple of

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Speaker 6: years our boys would really be hitting some really great

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Speaker 6: progress in test scores as well as it would give

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Speaker 6: us more of a runway to continue to raise money

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Speaker 6: So those are the things that we're dealing with. But

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Speaker 6: the vote is tomorrow tomorrow evening at six point thirty.

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Speaker 1: Ate away from the topic. So between now and then,

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Speaker 1: if you have a benefactor who's who's got some money.

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Speaker 1: You know, how much money are we talking about? Is

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Speaker 1: it in the millions, a hundred thousands?

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Speaker 6: And in an ideal world, if I had a million dollars,

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Speaker 6: I think that we would really be pretty good. It

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Speaker 6: would put us in good stead, eliminate any you know,

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Speaker 6: outstanding accounts payable, and give us a couple of months

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Speaker 6: of cash on hand. So that would be really good. So,

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Speaker 6: like you said, I if a benefactor came along and said, hey,

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Speaker 6: we got you, I could present that to them and

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Speaker 6: I think that that would really ease their mind and

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Speaker 6: make them more comfortable with voting in our favor.

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Speaker 1: All right, Hopefully somebody's out there who knows somebody who

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Speaker 1: knows somebody who knows somebody who's got that kind of

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Speaker 1: money laying around and wants to invest and once to

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Speaker 1: invest in our future. We'll do it. But you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the things we talked with Evan offline, we

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Speaker 1: talked about your plans for the school and connecting them

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Speaker 1: with HBCUs. Can you share that with our audience this morning.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 6: As some people may know, if you look at what's

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Speaker 6: happening at colleges across the country, but particularly at HBCUs,

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Speaker 6: the black mail enrollment has been declining over the years.

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Speaker 6: You know, we peaked in the seventies where you know,

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Speaker 6: we probably were about forty eight fifty percent of the

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Speaker 6: college population. Today at many colleges HBCUs we're down to

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Speaker 6: twenty five percent. Black Mail enrollment at Morgan State is

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Speaker 6: thirty seven percent, at Compens State is twenty five percent,

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Speaker 6: Howard University is twenty five percent. So one of my

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Speaker 6: visions in building Baltimore Collegiate School for boys and it

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Speaker 6: was to create a school that would create a pipeline

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Speaker 6: of boys who would be prepared to be able to

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Speaker 6: go on to college and hopefully to these HBCUs. And

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Speaker 6: so one of the things I'd love to do is

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Speaker 6: that I'm proposing two schools like Morgan Coppon and the

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Speaker 6: other schools is to partner with our school and help

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Speaker 6: to pour resources into us, whether it's teaching teachers or

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Speaker 6: you know, young men for mentorship, scholarship, anything that they

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Speaker 6: can do to support us to strengthen our school so

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Speaker 6: that we could create a pipeline to go.

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Speaker 4: To their schools.

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Speaker 6: But then my bigger vision is to build an endowment

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Speaker 6: fund that would allow us to have the money to

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Speaker 6: help start more collegiate school for boys around the country

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Speaker 6: and associate them with the other HBCUs around the country,

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Speaker 6: so that we could create this pipeline of young men

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Speaker 6: to go into these schools across the country, then thereby

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Speaker 6: driving up the blackmail enrollment throughout the country. And so

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Speaker 6: this endowment fund would allow us to have money to

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Speaker 6: seed new schools to be started, as well as to

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Speaker 6: provide scholarships to young brothers. Once they graduate from high

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Speaker 6: school and go on to the college, we would pay

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Speaker 6: for them to go to college. So that's the big vision.

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Speaker 6: We see our school right now in Baltimore as the

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Speaker 6: the you know, the flagship school, and we're hoping that

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Speaker 6: a relationship that we create with the Morgan State could

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Speaker 6: be the beginning of this vision.

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Speaker 1: Far away from the top. I we're going to check

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Speaker 1: the trafficking without differences before we do that. My question

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Speaker 1: for you, and I'll let you respond when we get back,

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Speaker 1: is that you know people listening now and they say, okay,

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Speaker 1: young men are not going to college. But college is

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Speaker 1: not for everybody these days, especially these days, we need

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Speaker 1: to create some sort of training facility, trade schools or

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Speaker 1: something where they can have a skill and have you know,

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Speaker 1: earnings and power earnings. And once they finished to get

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Speaker 1: a certificate or whatever it is and go into the

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Speaker 1: labor market, they don't have to go four years of

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Speaker 1: being history majors or social studies majors. And that would

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Speaker 1: be more beneficial to not just them, but to our community.

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Speaker 1: So when we get back, I want you to share

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Speaker 1: with us with your thoughts on how to handle that family.

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Speaker 1: YouTube can join our conversation with Edwin Event. Edwin is

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Speaker 1: from the Baltimore Collegiate School for Boys. There under the

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Speaker 1: spotlight these days, their licenses or their charter is being

877
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Speaker 1: looked at by the Board of Education in Baltimore's city

878
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Speaker 1: whether or not they should be resented, and they're going

879
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Speaker 1: to make that decision this week. What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: You want to join this discussion, reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six

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Speaker 1: and we'll take a phone calls after we check the

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Speaker 1: trafficking weather in a different cities. That's next and grind

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us and

885
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Speaker 1: our guest Edwin event from the Baltimore Clegire School for Boys.

886
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: They're on a review by the educational system in Baltimore

887
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: City whether or not they charter should be renewed. And

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Speaker 1: one of the things that hopefully it is renewed, the

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Speaker 1: Airing wants to do is expand the school and schools

890
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Speaker 1: like the Baltimore Cleature School for Boys across the country.

891
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: If we have satellite schools like that and use it

892
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Speaker 1: as a feeder, if you will, into the HBCUs. But

893
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Speaker 1: part of the problem is that young men are not

894
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Speaker 1: going to college. Not just the brothers, but young men

895
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: are just not going into college. And this is the

896
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Speaker 1: issue that many people say that we should have an

897
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Speaker 1: alternative path for them to earn a living. And we

898
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Speaker 1: talk about, you know, the technical era, or if we

899
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Speaker 1: could talk about technical also on hands on process as well.

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Speaker 1: So Edwin, how would you deal with that? What would

901
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: you say about what sort of structure you have in

902
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Speaker 1: mind for those young men who do not feel that

903
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Speaker 1: they want to be history majors or social studies majors,

904
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Speaker 1: and but they want to you know, maybe h faculty,

905
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Speaker 1: they want to work in uh in data centers, and

906
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Speaker 1: they're like, what, what, what outlet do you have for them?

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Speaker 6: Have we lost every percent of the young up?

908
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Speaker 1: Oh?

909
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 6: There you go, I'm here. Yeah, I'm here now. I

910
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Speaker 6: think that's a great point. One of the things I

911
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 6: always say to everybody, whether the boys go to college

912
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Speaker 6: or they go into a trade, they need to know

913
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Speaker 6: how to read, and they need to know how to calculate,

914
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Speaker 6: and and that's one of the main things that we're

915
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Speaker 6: focused on is making sure boys are prepared. So I

916
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Speaker 6: don't care if you're going to go into construction, you got.

917
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Speaker 4: To be able to use the tools and read blueprints.

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Speaker 4: So we got to make sure they get a basic education.

919
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Speaker 6: But we do. We are aware that young men could

920
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Speaker 6: you know, go on and build a career that could

921
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Speaker 6: sustain themselves and family through the trades as well as

922
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Speaker 6: through the careers. In stem Orient it feels like AI

923
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Speaker 6: cybersecurity and things like that, and so one of the

924
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Speaker 6: things that we're very interested in doing. Even at our

925
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Speaker 6: own facility. We have a ninety thousand square foot facility

926
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Speaker 6: here in Baltimore, and we don't use the whole building

927
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Speaker 6: for our elementary and middle school. We have a whole

928
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Speaker 6: level of our building that we're looking to change into

929
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Speaker 6: a workforce development center that will provide skilled training, whether

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Speaker 6: it is going into something like the solar installation industry,

931
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Speaker 6: something like getting them prepared to go into apprenticeships in

932
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Speaker 6: plumbing and an electrical as well as to train them

933
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Speaker 6: for AI and cybersecurity opportunities. And we're looking to build.

934
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Speaker 4: That in our facility, particularly because we.

935
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Speaker 6: Want to offer it to the young men who are

936
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Speaker 6: alumni from our school who go on to graduate from

937
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Speaker 6: high school, but they don't choose to go to college,

938
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Speaker 6: but they're looking for another skill. Not only that, we're

939
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Speaker 6: trying to help the fathers of our current students, the

940
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Speaker 6: fathers and the brothers of our current students who might

941
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Speaker 6: need job training so that they can be providers in

942
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Speaker 6: their own household. So we're totally aware that not everybody

943
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Speaker 6: is going to college, and it is a big trend,

944
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Speaker 6: like I said, not just amongst African Americans, but even

945
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Speaker 6: white Americans and others, and so we are prepared for that.

946
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Speaker 6: But the thing that you know has always been at

947
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Speaker 6: my heart. I've watched as certain professions, whether it is

948
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Speaker 6: legal profession, lawyers, or the doctors or dentists. There's just

949
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Speaker 6: not enough black lawyers, doctors, or dentists. We have the

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Speaker 6: same amount percentage wise of black doctors, dentists, and lawyers

951
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Speaker 6: today as we had over forty years ago, and so

952
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Speaker 6: we're not seeing the growth in those areas. And for

953
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Speaker 6: those who have really paid attention, a lot of people

954
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Speaker 6: realize that black people get better outcomes when they have

955
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Speaker 6: better doctors. You know, there's a lot of studies that

956
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Speaker 6: show that when they have black doctors, they adhere to

957
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Speaker 6: that doctor more, they feel like they get better care.

958
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Speaker 6: When it comes to teaching professions, we need more teachers.

959
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Speaker 6: Children tend to do better go on to higher education

960
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Speaker 6: when you're taught by people who look like them. And

961
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Speaker 6: so what we're trying to say is that though there

962
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Speaker 6: are new opportunities are there are opportunities for people to

963
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Speaker 6: earn money and young men to earn money in other fields,

964
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Speaker 6: we don't want to neglect the professions because the professions,

965
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Speaker 6: you know, power our community, They serve our community, and

966
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Speaker 6: our community does better when we have black professionals who

967
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Speaker 6: are trained to be able to help us with our health,

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Speaker 6: with our legal with our education.

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Speaker 1: Right sick scying for the top there before we let

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Speaker 1: you go, Edwin call, I want to know, please ask

971
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Speaker 1: about the enrollments and the student population at Baltimore School

972
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: of Boys.

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Speaker 6: Sure, right now, our enrollment, I mean our student population.

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Speaker 6: We have three hundred and fifteen boys. We have the

975
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Speaker 6: capacity to go up to four hundred.

976
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Speaker 4: And eighty boys, and so you know, we're in recruitment season.

977
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 6: So we're out there, you know still even though the school,

978
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 6: since it is threatening us with closure, it makes it

979
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 6: a little harder for us when it's you know, we're

980
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 6: out there trying to sell families on coming to us

981
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 6: because they're.

982
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 4: Not one hundred percent sure about our future.

983
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 6: But we're praying that after tomorrow, when they vote in

984
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Speaker 6: our favor, we can turn up the volume on student

985
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 6: recruitment to get the students here at our school. And

986
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 6: that's another thing. If we can drive our our when

987
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 6: we drive our enrollment back up to the area about

988
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 6: four hundred and eighty, which we used to be consistently

989
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 6: before the pandemic. When we can drive our enrollment back

990
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 6: up there, it takes care of a whole lot of

991
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 6: the money problems. As well. And so we're we're looking

992
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 6: to once we get pass this enroll on this renewal battle,

993
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 6: to turn up the volume on our recruitment strategy and

994
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 6: get out there into schools and communities and churches and

995
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 6: recreation centers and sports leagues and let the families know

996
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 6: that our school is here and it's a great option

997
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 6: for their students.

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00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: All right, how can folks reach you, Edwin if they

999
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: want to help the school? Is there a number of

1000
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: email address or a website.

1001
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 6: Sure, they can go to our website which is Baltimore

1002
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Speaker 6: Collegiate dot com slash renewal Baltimore Collegiate and Collegiate is

1003
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 6: spelled co l l E g I A t E

1004
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 6: Baltimore Collegiate dot com slash renewal, And there they can

1005
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 6: sign our petition, they can send a letter to the

1006
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 6: Border Commissioners, and they could donate to us. And we

1007
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 6: definitely encourage everybody who would like to support us. We

1008
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 6: really need donations. And so you go to our our website,

1009
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 6: Baltimore Collegiate dot com. You can go to renewal or

1010
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 6: you can just go to donate and you're able to

1011
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 6: support our school that way, and they could call our

1012
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 6: school at four four three fix four to five, three

1013
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 6: to zero once again four four three fix four to

1014
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 6: five three two zero, and they can ask for me.

1015
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 6: And I'd love to be able to talk to the

1016
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 6: members of the community and anybody who has suggestions help

1017
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 6: any way they can, they can reach out to me.

1018
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, Edwin, good luck and keep us

1019
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: in the loop. Let us know how it turns out.

1020
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, crawl for you continued support, and

1021
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 6: let's keep us in your prayer. Everybody have a fantastic day.

1022
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: All right, family, that's Edwin event from the Baltimore Collegian

1023
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: School for Boys. If we've talked about the school quite

1024
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: a bit. They're trying to close that school in Baltimore

1025
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: and the decisions are gonna come down this week, so

1026
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: we'll let you know how it turns out. Ten half

1027
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: of the top here. I was trying to tention it

1028
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Speaker 1: out to our next guestings writer Simon Booker, Mohammad Slama

1029
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: Lake and my brother Simeon, welcome back to the program.

1030
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 4: Well Lake and.

1031
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 12: Salam, it's good to be back, and I would like

1032
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 12: to mention that I was looking forward to coming back.

1033
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Speaker 12: I've been in the hospital for about the last month,

1034
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Speaker 12: and uh half of that was in the ICU. So

1035
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 12: God willing, I'm glad to be back on my feet.

1036
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: At the time, I'd like, mmm, no, I was gonna say,

1037
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: we're glad that you are back on your feet. Wow,

1038
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: go ahead and finish, man, let us know.

1039
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I just I just wanted to think my medical

1040
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 12: medical team led by doctor Aziz Ahmad double A at

1041
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 12: the New York Presbyterian, Allen and Columbia Hospitals. Also, I'm

1042
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 12: sure what helped me was the how to Eat the

1043
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 12: Live books by the Honorize Muhammad and doctor Fogenda Sinha

1044
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 12: who taught to yoga therapy and also trained me as

1045
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Speaker 12: a yoga therapist. So all that put together, God Willing,

1046
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 12: I'm back here again.

1047
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: Well that's good to know as the worst place you

1048
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: want to be inside the hospital for so long at

1049
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Speaker 1: the time of youring, because I know it reached out

1050
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: to you a couple of times. So the things are

1051
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: moving fast in the world of UFOs as well.

1052
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 12: Oh, there's no question about it. Since the last time

1053
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 12: I was on the program, I started working with a

1054
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Speaker 12: group called Experiences of Color Collective and they're part of

1055
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Speaker 12: the Johnny Mack Institute. Professor John Mack was the Harvard

1056
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 12: psychiatrist who became well known in the nineties. He wrote

1057
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Speaker 12: the book Abductions, which was the best seller, and he

1058
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 12: also was the primary psychiatrist that interviewed the sixty some

1059
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 12: experiences at the Area of Aerial School in Zimbabwe, which

1060
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Speaker 12: is one of the most well known UFO sightings and

1061
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Speaker 12: experiences ever. The institute's part of the University of Pennsylvania

1062
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 12: Wharton School of Business. So you know, this takes our

1063
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 12: experiences up to another level in terms of UFO and

1064
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 12: paranormal experiences, connecting with a prestigious academic institution and providing

1065
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 12: scholarship and science to go along with it. So you know,

1066
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Speaker 12: this is a platform for our experiencers and researchers and

1067
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 12: folks just with a serious interest.

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Speaker 1: All right, Family twelve that Sofi and just Janas. Simeon

1069
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Speaker 1: Bookamuhammadi's guest and those of you might recognize the first

1070
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Speaker 1: part of his name, Simon Booker. He's the son of

1071
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: the journalist Simmon Booker Junior, who was the celebrated journalist

1072
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: back in the day. He reported or wrote for the

1073
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: Washington Post, Jet and Ebone. That's where we first saw

1074
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: him by Jet and Abney then and he went on

1075
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: to word for the Post, but he also it covered

1076
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Speaker 1: the murder of Emmett Till nineteen fifty five, murder of

1077
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Speaker 1: Emmett Till before we go on to the UFO you have,

1078
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: do you and your dad E would talk about how

1079
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: he covered them Till because that story was you know

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Speaker 1: and we know basically just well for the for the

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Speaker 1: folks who don't know the story, just tell us what

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Speaker 1: happened with Emmett Till and how your father covered that story.

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Speaker 12: Oh okay, well, actually he broke the story and uh,

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Speaker 12: you know, we know the what happened with the tragic

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Speaker 12: death of m Mat Till, and my father was involved

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Speaker 12: in that in terms of not just covering the trial,

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Speaker 12: but he also was an advisor and counselor to the

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00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 12: mother and the family. And through the coverage of you

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00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 12: know at the and Jet, you know, that led to

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00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 12: further coverage from other black media that took the story

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00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 12: to the mainstream media and really you know, broke it

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00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 12: across the world. So many would see the Emma Till

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00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 12: story in that whole episode.

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Speaker 6: As a.

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Speaker 12: Groundbreaking and take off point for the civil rights movement

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Speaker 12: and you know, taking off from there the black power

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Speaker 12: movement and just the rights movement for our people and

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Speaker 12: other people in this country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me jump in here too and tell

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Speaker 1: the family because some of you know, we've got some

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00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: young folks who don't remember or have never heard the

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Speaker 1: story of Emmattilla. Probably seen the movie though, But did

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Speaker 1: your dad have anything in helping convince Amy till his

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00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: mom to open the casket? And showed in Jet magazine.

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Speaker 12: He was, he was involved in all of that. He

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00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 12: was probably the main person giving her advice and you know,

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00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 12: advocating for using this event and using the story to

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00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 12: have a greater meaning, you know, and cause for his

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00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 12: tragic death. So as far as I can tell him,

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Speaker 12: as far as I can remember, he was intricately involved

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00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 12: in the whole process, from covering the story, from going

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Speaker 12: down there and sitting in that courtroom surrounded by these folks.

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Speaker 12: You know, I grew up with that, and of course

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00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 12: I grew up and at those pictures, and so it

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Speaker 12: had a great effect on me and my brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 1: Is that why you became a writer? Because what you saw,

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Speaker 1: what your dad did and how we could influence people.

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Speaker 1: I guess back then with a typewriter, you know.

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Speaker 12: Becoming a writer was a little bit different for me.

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 12: I was always you know, gifted in doing that. But

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01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 12: growing up and as a young man, I was a

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01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 12: talented athlete and that's really where I saw my shoot

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Speaker 12: sure road lead. But it didn't work out that way,

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Speaker 12: and at the end of the day, I ended up,

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Speaker 12: you know, actually writing and doing pr and press and

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01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 12: advocating for you know, human rights, civil rights and constitutional rights.

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Speaker 12: If you will show now talking about the UFO.

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Speaker 1: UFOs right, oh that thought right there, Because we come

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01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: up on a break and we come back then we

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01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: got some folks want to talk to you. But recent

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Speaker 1: polls show that overwhelming belief people are believing that the

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Speaker 1: UFOs ets advanced humans. Across all demographics. People are now

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01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: saying that, hey, UFOs exist. There's some people out there.

1134
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Speaker 1: Before people were saying, ah, those people who thought like that,

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01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: they're kind of crazy. They're on the edge. But now

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Speaker 1: it's coming like mainstream. Can you talk about that when

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Speaker 1: we get back, All right, break sure seventeen and a

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01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: half of Todd that family. You want to jump in

1139
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: on this conversation about UFOs with sime and Booker Muhammad

1140
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and ticket calls next and Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising Family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us at

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes after the top there with our guest, the

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Speaker 1: Simeon Booker Muhammad. He's a writer and specializes in UFOs,

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01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: ets and advanced humans. He says, now, people of polls

1146
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: are showing that people are now believing that those things exist.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about that for a minute for us,

1148
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Speaker 1: brother Simeon.

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Speaker 12: Okay, well, let me just go over some of the

1150
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 12: recent polling data. In terms of overall Americans believing in UFOs.

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01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 12: According to Gallup, that's forty one percent if so's appolling

1152
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 12: forty two percent. According to Pew Research, fIF believe military

1153
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 12: reports or evidence of UFOs and overwhelming seventy to eighty

1154
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 12: percent believe the government it's not being transparent and covering

1155
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 12: up on the subject. Four in ten think that UFOs

1156
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 12: are extraterrestrials and going to the Black belief in UFOs

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Speaker 12: fifty two percent. This is according the News Nation, fifty

1158
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 12: two percent believe the government is covering up on the UFO,

1159
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 12: UAP subject. That number for believing in the cover up

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01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 12: is forty one percent for whites and for Latinos. And

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Speaker 12: according to Pew research, fifty three percent of Black Protestants

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 12: say that military reports likely or definitely show evidence of

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01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 12: extraterrestrial life beyond Earth. And so across the board there's

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01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 12: a notable belief in the uf the UFO and the

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01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 12: cover up of ets. Merely half of Americans say aliens

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01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 12: or ets that probably are definitely visited Earth. That's according

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01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 12: to you Go that's in twenty twenty four, and related

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01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 12: following shows over forty percent of Americans believe ets may

1169
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 12: have visited Earth in the ancient past. Over fifty percent

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01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 12: belief advanced ancient civilizations such as Atlantis. You know, our

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01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 12: folks once existed, and that's tied into the UFO phenomena.

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Speaker 12: And so these beliefs explain why the audience now is receptive.

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Speaker 12: And you know, this is the mainstream belief. You know,

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01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 12: if you're not looking at this and seeing this, you're

1175
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 12: basically on the outside looking in. And you know, these

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01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 12: beliefs cut across all political parties, race, gender, income. Younger

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01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 12: Americans show a higher openness skepticism slightly higher among very

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01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 12: religious respondents. You know, this is a according to polling

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Speaker 12: and uh so that's kind of a snapshot of the

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01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 12: polling data and what this looks like. I've got I've

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Speaker 12: got a lot of other information like that, if we

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Speaker 12: have time to get into it later on in the program.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you. This is twenty five

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01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: the top as before we speak to Cliff in Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has been threatening to release the classified information

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Speaker 1: about UFOs. Have we heard anything else on that? Is

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01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: he still others he put that on.

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Speaker 12: Hold that at this point basically appears appears to just

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Speaker 12: have been a campaign promise, you know, to help him

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Speaker 12: win the election. There's been no movement on that since

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Speaker 12: the inauguration. And you know when the uh the head

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Speaker 12: of intelligence said she was putting one hundred people on

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Speaker 12: getting that fuck the fire together to be released. But

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Speaker 12: since the inauguration, nothing at all has come out of that.

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Speaker 12: And unfortunately, you know, the mainstream media, you know, doesn't

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Speaker 12: follow up or touch the subject, and overall black media

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01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 12: doesn't deal with this issue at all either. I mean,

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Speaker 12: I've contacted I won't mention names, but you know, a

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Speaker 12: broad swath of black media. Who you know, I've not

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Speaker 12: even responded at this point. I've been doing this on

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 12: your program for all of twenty twenty five and now

1202
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Speaker 12: under twenty twenty six. I haven't seen or heard anything

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01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 12: from any other black media.

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Speaker 1: Well, what do you think that the reluctance is to

1205
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: talk about this though?

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Speaker 9: She men?

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Speaker 1: Because it's out there. Donald Trump says there he's got

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Speaker 1: the files, and you know, he's threatened to release the

1209
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Speaker 1: files and I'm talking about Area fifty one, all this

1210
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and people have seen it and feltering

1211
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: about camp trails and all the other things associated with ET.

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Speaker 1: We've discussed this in Metaphysicians of this go see. But

1213
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Speaker 1: why do you think of that black media or just

1214
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: meetia period won't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think the mainstream media began covering it, you know,

1216
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 12: kind of took off into twenty seventeen story in the

1217
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 12: New York Times where Louise Alezanda the whistleblower, came out.

1218
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Speaker 12: And after that, you know, you had the NASA, the

1219
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 12: Defense Department, and congressional hearings, which you know elicited coverage

1220
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Speaker 12: from the mainstream media. But when those hearings are not

1221
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 12: happening or weren't happening. You know, the media doesn't follow up,

1222
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 12: and you know, it's pretty much in step with the

1223
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 12: controllers who were keeping this information from the public, which

1224
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 12: most of the public understands and believes. It looks like

1225
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,479
Speaker 12: President Trump has run into the same you know, brick

1226
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Speaker 12: wall of secrecy, and you know, maybe more than that. No,

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Speaker 12: you can't you can't talk about that. You can't put

1228
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Speaker 12: that in. You can't put that out that many presidents

1229
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 12: have run into since the fifties. There is a video though,

1230
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Speaker 12: President Harry Truman doing a press conference about the UFO

1231
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 12: UAP subject and he just says, matter of factly, oh, yeah,

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01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 12: these these objects they fly all around our military basis,

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Speaker 12: on nuclear sites and what have you. We don't know

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01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 12: what they are, but yeah, there's no secret. I mean,

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Speaker 12: it's almost, I don't want to say comical, but the

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01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 12: way he so nonchalantly puts that out there, he's even smiling,

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01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 12: is significant for me. But that video is available on YouTube,

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 12: and it's really I encourage people to look at it

1239
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 12: because it kind of helps you put this in a

1240
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 12: different perspective because here's a president of the United States

1241
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 12: and all this is happening fresh while he's in office

1242
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 12: and he's doing the press conference and just saying, yeah,

1243
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 12: they're real and this is happening now ancient people's civilizations.

1244
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 12: We've known about this for time immemorial. The Nation of

1245
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,839
Speaker 12: Islam has been talking about this since the nineteen thirties

1246
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 12: Black history and culture, we've been talking about this. You

1247
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 12: just look at our music from the sixties and seventies,

1248
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 12: all the songs in the groups, lyrics and representations of UFOs,

1249
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Speaker 12: and you know, in the eighties, nineties up to the

1250
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 12: present day, Mineta fire Count has been talking about this

1251
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Speaker 12: issue and covering this. She is so basically, from my standpoint,

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01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 12: mainstream meeting in the rest of the world is just

1253
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 12: catching up with us as we've been on time for

1254
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 12: this forever.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold that thought right there. Thirty minutes after

1256
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Speaker 1: the top of our family, just checking in our guess

1257
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: to Simon Book of Mohammad's giving us an update on UFOs.

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Speaker 1: You want to join this discussion, reach out to us

1259
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: Cliss calling us from Connecticut is online, one grand rising Cliff.

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Speaker 1: You're on with Simon Book of Mohammad.

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Speaker 13: Hey, grand Risid, brother Colin, brother Kevin, and I'm so

1263
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 13: glad grand rising brother Mohammad, so glad that you're back

1264
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 13: and that you're really healthy. I just want to say

1265
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 13: that I never really got into this. You're welcome, never

1266
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 13: really got into this until the autible minus Lewis Farri

1267
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 13: Khin spoke about it, and he spoke about it consistently.

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Speaker 13: So I'm so thankful. This is going to be a

1269
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 13: game changer when this is exposed. And right now, congressional

1270
01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 13: they're having congressional hearings. Even Senator or Congresswoman Jazz And

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01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:04,480
Speaker 13: Crockett has involved. She's on a committee, and they're having intensive,

1272
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 13: intensive hearings and testimony coming from military and even in Connecticut,

1273
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 13: brother Carl, they're giving eyewitnesses from law enforcement. So these

1274
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 13: are credible people that are witnessing these phenomenas. So for

1275
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 13: people to say that they don't exist and that's not happening,

1276
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 13: you know, this is not true. In addition to the

1277
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 13: American people who have been abducted. And so right now, Carl,

1278
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 13: let me say this that this is the reason why

1279
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 13: I don't trust government when it comes down to the Democrats.

1280
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 13: No Republicans, because nobody's come clean and telling the American

1281
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 13: people and being honest that these things exist. To what

1282
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 13: that being said, following the Minister of farri Con, he

1283
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 13: speaks of these things, and so my question is he

1284
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 13: talks about the will in the middle of the wheel

1285
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 13: and he says, I have an army that you see

1286
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 13: and an army that you don't see. The issue is

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01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 13: how many different species of aliens are in America right now,

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01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 13: brother Muhammad, that you can speak of, because I know

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01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 13: that there's the Grays, there's a Reptilians, And just to

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Speaker 13: add some clarification.

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Speaker 9: And some validity to it, we have.

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Speaker 6: Historically in the caves.

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Speaker 13: There's documentation and there's there's there's there's images of these beings.

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Speaker 13: So to your point, it's nothing new. The thing is

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Speaker 13: that we are now revealing that they do exist. So again,

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Speaker 13: to the best of your knowledge, how many different species

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Speaker 13: of aliens do you believe that exist in America?

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Speaker 12: Okay? Well, well, I would say it's not so much

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Speaker 12: about what I believe or anybody believes. It's about you know,

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Speaker 12: what what is can can be proven and what's probable.

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Speaker 12: What I do now is the the Grays, the reptilian.

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Speaker 12: They're a common species that comes up. But from my

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Speaker 12: standpoint and from our history and culture, black people are

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Speaker 12: just as likely or prominent.

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Speaker 4: To be.

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Speaker 12: Part of that situation as well, in terms of our ancestors,

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Speaker 12: ancient civilizations, advanced intelligence, advanced beings I believe look dislike us,

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Speaker 12: and we're part of that conversation too. We've just been

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Speaker 12: locked out of it because you know, this is being controlled,

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Speaker 12: it's being covered up, and information is being interpolated and

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Speaker 12: ideas are being influenced. So it's just it's common for

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Speaker 12: me or natural for me to think of black people

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Speaker 12: being pilots, other original peoples being pilots and controlling these

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Speaker 12: ships and being a part of this phenomenon as well.

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Speaker 14: Not just thank.

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Speaker 13: I make my last point, and I'm sorry to cut

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Speaker 13: you off on another other callers, but Carl, let me

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Speaker 13: say this is that to the brother Muhammad's point, we

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Speaker 13: as black people in the black media should definitely definitely

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Speaker 13: get more into this, to be more aware and get

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Speaker 13: more educated of this, because if we're waiting for white media,

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Speaker 13: you know, to bring it out and then we follow,

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Speaker 13: we're going to be basically following whatever narrative that they

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Speaker 13: give and we know right now that's when white media

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Speaker 13: and when white media and this government gives their narratives,

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Speaker 13: it's almost one hundred percent it's going to be a lie.

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Speaker 13: But we will be deceived as black people because we're

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Speaker 13: unfamiliar and not willing to discuss this. So I would suggest,

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01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 13: man that we start to diving well into this because

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Speaker 13: I believe this year will be the exposure in this government,

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Speaker 13: particularly Trump, because Trump's that one that could deceive people

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Speaker 13: and people won't believe them.

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Speaker 6: So the grays that are against us Trump.

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Speaker 13: Will be able to deceive people say.

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Speaker 14: That yeah, they'll help us, they're here to help us.

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Speaker 13: As human beings, which would be a complete lie in

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Speaker 13: my being. But they should think up the crowd.

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Speaker 12: Like I'd like, yeah, thank you, thank you for your thoughts.

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Speaker 12: I'd like to pick up what you said about our

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01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 12: press because our press is supposed to be independent. Uh,

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01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 12: it's supposed to be bold, and it's supposed to be

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Speaker 12: active in the service of you know, black people and

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01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 12: our safety. The black press should be scanning the horizon

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Speaker 12: for what can help our people as well as scanning

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01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 12: the horizon for what could hurt our people. So islands

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Speaker 12: is not an option.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that twenty five away from the

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Speaker 1: top there, because if those viewers listening to this program

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Speaker 1: for a while for years, remember we used to have

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Speaker 1: this discussions quite a bit with metaphysician doctor Delbert Blair

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Speaker 1: from the Mediciner and one of the things and I

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Speaker 1: think I asked you this before. Not only did he

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Speaker 1: say the UFOs ET's there existing, he says, on the

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Speaker 1: bottom of this earth, if you go down miles, it's

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Speaker 1: town one hundred miles down this earth. There's a whole

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Speaker 1: group of people living, there's roads, all this is going on.

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Speaker 1: We're on top of the earth right now, but underneath

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Speaker 1: the earth it's what he says, you got cities and

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Speaker 1: people used to this is a pooh poet, but he says, no,

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Speaker 1: that that there's something going on or down there that

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Speaker 1: we don't know. And he was trying to teach us

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Speaker 1: that your thoughts. I may have asked you this question before,

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Speaker 1: but your thoughts, I mean, do you think that there's

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Speaker 1: a whole group of another group of species that are

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Speaker 1: deep down in there the earth maybe one hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty miles day and they just do their own thing,

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Speaker 1: and they never surface, so if they do, we don't

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Speaker 1: even know if their surface on this planet.

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Speaker 12: I think that's entirely possible. And we do know that

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Speaker 12: even the for example, the US military, you know, and

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Speaker 12: they are credible reports of this and have been for years.

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Speaker 12: But you know, they're tunnels, there are railroad systems going

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Speaker 12: across the country coast to coast. There's all types of

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Speaker 12: activity going on underneath the ground. And in addition to

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Speaker 12: what you're speaking of, and we can't leave out underneath

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Speaker 12: the oceans and the seas, you know, the uh it's

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Speaker 12: not talked about as much, but it should be included

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Speaker 12: in any conversation about UFOs and uIP is the unidentified

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Speaker 12: submercible objects, which is there us as many reports, just

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Speaker 12: as many credible, just as much credible evidence, just as

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Speaker 12: many credible military observers telling us about you know, these

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Speaker 12: objects under the water, and we've seen in the tic

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Speaker 12: TAC videos and what have you. Objects are trans medium,

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Speaker 12: so they can go from space the sky to under

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Speaker 12: the sea and their trans medium and can travel throughout

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Speaker 12: different elements. And so all of this is on the

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Speaker 12: table and has to be looked at holistically and collectively,

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Speaker 12: and it requires an effort and it requires an open mind.

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Speaker 1: And I told that thought right there, brother, That's what

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Speaker 1: I was going to say. Family, you got to have

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Speaker 1: an open mind for these discussions. You can't just think

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Speaker 1: of that, oh just kick it to the curb. No,

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Speaker 1: you can just open mind and listen to a brother.

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Speaker 1: Simon is teaching us this morning because we've have these

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Speaker 1: discussions I mentioned with doctor Deli Player at the late

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Speaker 1: Doctor Debil Player at the Mediciner in Chicago. But we

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Speaker 1: got to check the news, trafficking, weather at different stations.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, though, Simeon tell us why are

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Speaker 1: UFOs here? You say they're here, that doctor Blair said

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Speaker 1: the here as well, So why are they here? What's

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Speaker 1: their purpose? I'll let you respond to that when we

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Speaker 1: get back. Family, you two can get in on this

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Speaker 1: discussion with see me in Book of Muhammad. Reach out

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01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls after

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Speaker 1: we check the news, traffick and weather. That's next and

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Speaker 1: Grant Rising, family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us

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Speaker 1: at fifteen Away from the Top of the Eye with

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Speaker 1: our guest, the writer Simeon Book of Muhammad discussing UFOs.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about UFOs? You can reach us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to Brother Simeon, let me just

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Speaker 1: remind you. Coming up later this morning, we're gonna speak

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Speaker 1: with Morgan State University professor doctor Ray Wimbush, and come

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Speaker 1: up later this week. We're going to be joined by

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Speaker 1: chematologist Tony Browner. Tony's got a brand new book out

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Speaker 1: that is going to actually chronicles his journeys to Egypt.

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Speaker 1: He's going to discuss this book. Also, we're going to

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Speaker 1: have investigative journalists a great house joined us from. I

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Speaker 1: think it's going to be in somewhere on the Iberian Peninsula.

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Speaker 1: I think is it going to be Elizbeon or Madrid.

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01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,839
Speaker 1: But he's gonna he's he knew uh, he knew Maduro,

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Speaker 1: he knew uh who goes Shavis And he knows Darci

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Speaker 1: Rodrica is the current president Instagram president in Venezuela. So

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Speaker 1: he's going on to get some insight on what's gone

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Speaker 1: in Venezuela. Also, DC Actist's brother Obi will check in

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Speaker 1: and also Ambassador Ariana Chambari Quala is going to join

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Speaker 1: us as well. So if you are in Baltimore and

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Speaker 1: make sure you keep you ready to locked in tight

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01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB or if you have a DMV,

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Speaker 1: we're rolling on fourteen fifteen w L. All right, brother

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Speaker 1: simeon the question to you, because we know they were

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Speaker 1: saying that UFOs are here, but where are they here?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: What's what's the what's their purpose? What's say you?

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Speaker 12: Well, let's go let's go over somebody uh mainstream UH

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Speaker 12: and scientific theories that are out there from misidentification and

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Speaker 12: sensored limits where they're talking about radar, our glitches, optical

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01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 12: optical illusions and complete data and unidentified does not mean

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01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 12: in extra terrestrial I advance human technology, so we know

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Speaker 12: that they're classified US programs, foreign drones, electronic warfare and

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01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 12: historical secrecy has fueled the UFO myths before advance human

1443
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 12: intelligence birds bound, as well as extraterrestrial control system observer models.

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Speaker 12: The phenomenon may influence perception or culture and monitoring hypotheses

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01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 12: where repeated witness claims. We have repeated witness claims near

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Speaker 12: Milk nuclear military sites. And so when you put that

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01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 12: information together, and then you look at the timing of

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01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 12: when these First of all the phenomenon, it has been

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Speaker 12: here and has been here for some time. When you

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Speaker 12: look at the timing of the presence being illuminated or

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Speaker 12: increased starting in the nineteen thirties, you also have to

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Speaker 12: look at and put that together with what was happening

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Speaker 12: in the world at that time, and not only in

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Speaker 12: the situation regarding black people in America, but indigenous people

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Speaker 12: across the world. You have to look at the nuclear

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Speaker 12: testing that started in the forties. You have to look

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Speaker 12: at the nuclear bombs that were actually dropped on Hiroshima

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Speaker 12: and Nagasaki, taking out two cities. So you have to

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Speaker 12: put all that into context when you say, why are

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Speaker 12: they here? We look at the repeated and constant reports

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Speaker 12: of sightings on nuclear bases, nuclear sites, military bases underwater,

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Speaker 12: and places where there is a huge military presence. Now

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Speaker 12: the US has a thousand military bases across the world,

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Speaker 12: so that provides a lot of room for that to happen.

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Speaker 12: And so then you look at what the nation has

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Speaker 12: been teaching about the Great Wheel and the planes, and

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Speaker 12: that the presence now is tied into basically protecting the

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Speaker 12: earth and the people from a group of people who

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Speaker 12: seem intent on destroying us, on destroying indigenous people UH

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Speaker 12: in the world, and seem intent on destroying the very

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Speaker 12: planet itself. So when you ask the question why are

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Speaker 12: UFOs here, you have to, you know, sift through that

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Speaker 12: and decide what makes the most sense logically speaking. And

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Speaker 12: for me, you know, being here to monitor, being here

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Speaker 12: to make the presence known, being here to take action

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Speaker 12: when when the necessary time has come UH seems to

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Speaker 12: be seemed to be relevant factors. And then you also

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Speaker 12: just have to look at uh. I just I just

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Speaker 12: lost my last thoughts.

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Speaker 1: He'll come back to you away from the top of

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question, though you said the

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Speaker 1: UFOs are out there, how's that going to affect now

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Speaker 1: with AI artificial intelligen because people will see things and say,

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Speaker 1: oh man, that's not true, that's AI. Is this gonna

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Speaker 1: happens the credibility for people like yourself who are trying

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Speaker 1: to get people to understand that they are UFOs and

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Speaker 1: ets out there, and people are going to say, nah,

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Speaker 1: that that was created somewhere in somebody's computer. Is that

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Speaker 1: going to be a problem going forward?

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Speaker 12: I don't think so. I think the uh, the public's

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Speaker 12: belief is baked in, and the public skepticism of government

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Speaker 12: and the system is baked in. So AI of course

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Speaker 12: will be used by the system to its advantage, you know,

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Speaker 12: in terms of control. But I don't think it's going

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Speaker 12: to change the current situation and the narrative of people

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Speaker 12: know this is real and they know that it's being

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Speaker 12: covered up.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 12: It would just make people have to work harder and

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Speaker 12: paying more attention and invest more time and energy and

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01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 12: know what's going on in the world and not just

1502
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 12: be uh, you know, basically a tool and a slave

1503
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 12: for the system and the one percent, for one ten

1504
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 12: percent of rich people controlling the world.

1505
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: So why why don't they want.

1506
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 4: To know about it?

1507
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 12: Let me let me add Let me add this thought

1508
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 12: of my last the point I wanted to get to before,

1509
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 12: and that is in my estimation from what I've seen

1510
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 12: from you know, the beginning of the nuclear aids, the

1511
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 12: attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the UH, the growth of

1512
01:26:55,080 --> 01:27:00,919
Speaker 12: the military state and the growth of new bear weapons,

1513
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 12: and the absolute insanity of some world leaders, and we

1514
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 12: just have to look at current events to see that.

1515
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 12: I think that were it not for the presence of

1516
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,879
Speaker 12: the UFO intelligence that we would have had a nuclear

1517
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 12: holocaust by now, militarily speaking, because these people are not

1518
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 12: capable of controlling themselves even with the threat of their

1519
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 12: own self destruction. So I think right now the phenomenon

1520
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 12: is what's holding off a nuclear war on the planet.

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01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: Wow, that's deep, that's real deep right there. Shiveing away

1522
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: from the top of the Simon Book of Mohammed, gene

1523
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: is joining us from Pikesville and Maryland is online one

1524
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,959
Speaker 1: grand rising Genie with Simon Book of Mohammed.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Agreeen Robin. But uh, I was in the Air

1526
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 11: Force and I was stationed in the Midwest ICBM base

1527
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 11: and also it was a b F Hitty two base.

1528
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 11: Explained that entire land where they went. But we also

1529
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 11: had ICBM missiles, missiles in the silo. And I'm from

1530
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 11: the East coast, so you know, it's usually kind of

1531
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 11: cloudy here and you don't see the sky as well

1532
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 11: as as you can in the Midwest. And I mean

1533
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 11: literally there are full moons. Go on the East coast,

1534
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 11: you might be able to see the moon, but when

1535
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 11: you are in the Midwest, in the prairie, you can

1536
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 11: reach up and almost touch the Moon. That's what it

1537
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 11: looks like. That's how close it is. And I used

1538
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 11: to see you know, the various you know what they

1539
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 11: call the Big Dipper, the Little Dipper, all the constellations

1540
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 11: that I'd learned in school about. I could literally see

1541
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 11: them right the North Star, and then I would see

1542
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 11: shooting stars and I would observe shooting stars that made

1543
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 11: forty five degree turns. And I'm a questioning and ask

1544
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 11: people about that.

1545
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 14: Now.

1546
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 11: Like I said, I don't know, and I've never seen

1547
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 11: a extraterrestrial. But again, I think that that's pretty that's

1548
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,799
Speaker 11: to me, is consistent to what you're saying around military installation,

1549
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 11: especially where there are you know, nuclear armaments that the

1550
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 11: the you know, there are sightings of extraterrestrials. I just

1551
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 11: wanted to say that because I'm chiming in on what

1552
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 11: the gentleman was saying.

1553
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask him. Thank you, Jane, thanks

1554
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: you call.

1555
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 12: One well that that that does make complete sense. It's

1556
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 12: sets all of the criterion for sightings on those types

1557
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 12: of facilities, and the movement of the objects that you

1558
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 12: are observing, you know, fits the description and the characteristics

1559
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 12: and the capabilities of these planes being able to stop

1560
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 12: on a dime, to make right angle turns, and to

1561
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 12: exhibit flight movements and patterns that are far beyond light

1562
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 12: years beyond conventional flight and conventional weapons systems that we

1563
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 12: see today. M So you really are onto something, and

1564
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 12: you know you probably want to keep watching disguise well thought.

1565
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Right there, We're going to step us off for a

1566
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 1: few moments. Thank you very much, man, Thank you, Jean.

1567
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: Assuming when you come back, though, tell us about the

1568
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 1: folks in Jersey. We supposedly saw UFOs if there's been

1569
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 1: any update on that, and I'll let you respond when

1570
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: we get back, But we got to check the traffic

1571
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 1: and weather, not different cities. It's four minutes away from

1572
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: the top of our family. You want to join this

1573
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: discussion with that guest the Assman book of Mouhammed. He's

1574
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 1: a writer, he's doing a lot of research on UFOs

1575
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: and ets. What are your thoughts. You gotta have an

1576
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 1: open mind as well. Let me add that. Reach out

1577
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: to us at eight himes undred four or five zero

1578
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

1579
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: after we check the trafficking weather at different cities. That's

1580
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Tuesday

1581
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 1: with us. A minute after the top of the hour, Montel,

1582
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: you're going to speak with doctor Ray Wimbush from Morgan

1583
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 1: State University. But let's wrap up with see me in

1584
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: Bookam Mohammad sent a lot of research into UFOs and ets,

1585
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: so brother Sime a couple of times before we saw

1586
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: some folks I think they were in Jersey who saw

1587
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: some supposedly UFOs. Has it been an update on those sightings?

1588
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 3: Do you know?

1589
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 4: Well?

1590
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 12: What happened in New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, the Eastern

1591
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 12: Seaboard during November December and in the January of twenty

1592
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 12: twenty four was one of the most epic displays in

1593
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 12: history where you had weeks of not just the sightings

1594
01:31:54,360 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 12: and the objects, but mainstream media covered this consistently for weeks,

1595
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 12: and there were hearings on the hill as well. And

1596
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 12: so when you look at it holistically, in the US

1597
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 12: and across the world, tens of millions of people, if

1598
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 12: not hundreds of millions of people saw these objects and

1599
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 12: showing the power of corporate media, socialization process and consumerism.

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01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 12: Just a short time later, most people you know, have

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01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 12: forgotten about that, but the government offered no plausible explanation,

1602
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 12: you know, from the White House down and around, and

1603
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 12: the last statement made by the White House on that

1604
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 12: was the FAA has is fully aware of what all

1605
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 12: these thousands of objects were that people around the world

1606
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 12: saw on the TV for literally weeks. So that went

1607
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 12: on from November and December really full bore, and it

1608
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 12: you know, trickled out into January of twenty twenty five.

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01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 12: But it wasn't just New Jersey and New York. It

1610
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:23,560
Speaker 12: was that whole region of the Hudson Valley region on

1611
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 12: down into Pennsylvania and on down the eastern seaboards. So

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01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:32,759
Speaker 12: it was widespread and it's one of these significant long

1613
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 12: term mass sighting events that there has ever been. So

1614
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 12: it would it would be good if the media would

1615
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 12: remember that or somebody would you pick that up again.

1616
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 12: You had senators from that area going on talk shows

1617
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 12: trying to explain that a way. You had the you know,

1618
01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 12: the White the Biden administration as well as Trump administration

1619
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 12: trying to explain that a way. But that really happened,

1620
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 12: and we saw what we saw on TV.

1621
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 1: We sure did. And assuming I want to thank you

1622
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: for being on the forefront of the UFOs and the

1623
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 1: ETS and keep us in the loop. But how can

1624
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 1: folks reach you for that? You know sometimes they don't

1625
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,560
Speaker 1: want to talk about it on the air. And do

1626
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 1: you have an email address or a website that can

1627
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: get in contact with you?

1628
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 12: Yes, well, let me let me give the information especially

1629
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 12: for people who have had experiences for the the John

1630
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 12: Mac Institute, so you've become part of Experience of Color Collective.

1631
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 12: And the website is John E.

1632
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 6: Mac.

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01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:50,440
Speaker 12: That's m A. C. K Institute dot org, John eMac

1634
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 12: Institute dot org. And you can email at E. C.

1635
01:34:55,240 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 12: C at John Mac Institute, John eMac Institute dot And

1636
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 12: if you want to reach me individually, you can e

1637
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 12: me email me at black skyes UFO at proton dot me.

1638
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 12: That's p R O t O N dot me, Black

1639
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 12: skys ufo at Proton dot me.

1640
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,719
Speaker 1: All right, and we thank you for leading the charge

1641
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 1: on this development UFOs and e T S. You know,

1642
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, maybe he will release the classified files on

1643
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: UFOs and everybody will see well, we've been discussing this

1644
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 1: for for months with Simon Book of Mohammed and now

1645
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: it's and then people will probably believe what you've been

1646
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 1: telling us.

1647
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 12: Well, i'd like, you know, maybe someone could ask the

1648
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 12: question and the press White House Press conference one day.

1649
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be interesting. Yeah, maybe they'll do that. Thank you, Simeon.

1650
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: All right, all right, appreciation Simon book on my high piece,

1651
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: brother Simon book of Mohammed. Of course, his dad is

1652
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: the famous him and Booker Junior worked at Jet Ebony

1653
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 1: also worked for the Washington Post. As he's mentioned, his

1654
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 1: dad broke the story about Amit till those of who

1655
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 1: I can remember the story about Amit Till, and also

1656
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,639
Speaker 1: in Jet magazine the picture of Ammit Till his mother,

1657
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 1: Mami Till. Nobody insisted they put that picture in there

1658
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: and show the world what happened, and that sort of

1659
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: triggered what was now the civil rights movement back then,

1660
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Family six at the top, the doctor Ray Wimbush,

1661
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:26,719
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.

1662
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 6: Hey, brother Carl, how you doing.

1663
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 1: I'm still learning, man, I'm you know, I'm just there.

1664
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: There's so much knowledge is coming across these airways these days.

1665
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,560
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And I was telling Kevin, the more that

1666
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 1: you think you know, the more you know that you

1667
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: don't know. So it's process, you know.

1668
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 4: You know, elder ancestor, now send me a Booker years

1669
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 4: ago in Washington, you know, just very knowledgeable. I'm glad

1670
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 4: to see his son is doing some good work.

1671
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got up to talk about his dad too,

1672
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 1: because you know, in our business, we know about Simon

1673
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 1: Booker is one of the best writers out there. Yeah,

1674
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 1: in the early days, would take on stories of other

1675
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 1: folks wouldn't wouldn't take you know, do stories cover stories

1676
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 1: that other folks wouldn't. I was surprised that even the

1677
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 1: Washington Post hired him, though, because he did a lot

1678
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: of black stories that were sort of ignored. So I'm

1679
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 1: happy that, you know, people in Washington, d C. At

1680
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 1: least got to appreciate and read the stories that he covered.

1681
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 6: That's right, that's right, it's good. It's good.

1682
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things we were talking about this morning,

1683
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: doctor Wyndwish, what Donald Trump's, you know, statement that he

1684
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: made quote unquote that civil rights caused the white people

1685
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: to be badly treated. We were kicking that around this

1686
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: morning with Kevin and some people. Some people are still

1687
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 1: amazed that he said it. But your thoughts on that,

1688
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 1: is he speaking his mind or is he speaking Steven

1689
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 1: Miller's mind?

1690
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 4: I think probably both, if he has a mind at all.

1691
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 4: You know, I think that you know, Trump is a

1692
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 4: useful idiot when it comes to expressions of racism and

1693
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 4: so forth. Clearly, you know, Miller has been one of

1694
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 4: his go to people in terms of dealing with issues

1695
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 4: of race. You know, I think you know, you got again,

1696
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 4: you know, you know, repeat that. The whole fact that

1697
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 4: Trump has been you know, charged with racism years ago,

1698
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 4: has you know, been quoted by his own niece, is

1699
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 4: using the in word repeatedly in private. There's no secret

1700
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 4: that he, you know, fill you know, associates with noxies,

1701
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 4: you know, and so forth. His wife said that one

1702
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 4: of his favorite books was Mind Comes. I don't think

1703
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 4: it's really that big of a deal to refer to

1704
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 4: him as a white supremacist, you know, because he is.

1705
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:01,600
Speaker 6: And I think that his.

1706
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 4: Expression about white people being because of the Civil Rights movement,

1707
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 4: white men particularly were very badly treated. That's an exact quote.

1708
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 10: You know.

1709
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 4: I don't find any of that surprising, not at all.

1710
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 1: But to me, dodr Wyneish, the most chilling thing about

1711
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 1: this is that he supports they may not you know,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Courts coming up later, they're going to have

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Speaker 1: to rule on a civil rights issue. We got that

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Speaker 1: to deal with, and they believe they're doing things, you know,

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Speaker 1: just to get a smile from Donald Trump or the

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01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: thumbs up. But the people that we have to deal with,

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Speaker 1: maybe you'll supervisor on the job, maybe when you go

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Speaker 1: to the bank, or the bus driver, and they have

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01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: these similar thoughts and now they getting two thumbs up

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Speaker 1: from Donald Trump. How do we deal with that as

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01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 1: a people? Do we just ignore it and just keep

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Speaker 1: on pushing as Chris Mayfield told us to do.

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Speaker 4: Now, we can't ignore it. I mean it's impossible to

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01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 4: you know. I think that many of us will say

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01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 4: things such as, well, let's just forget about white people

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01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 4: and just do our own thing. You know, if Trump

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01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 4: says that, don't worry about it, you'd be Look, there's

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Speaker 4: evidence throughout our history of black people being independent of

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Speaker 4: white people, building our own institutions, being totally non dependent

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Speaker 4: on them, and the best example being Black Wall Street,

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01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 4: or if you want to look during that same era

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Speaker 4: roads with Florida, we were very independent. The problem is

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Speaker 4: that people classified as white simply won't leave us alone.

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Speaker 4: It's almost as if when we do build our own thing,

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Speaker 4: be independent, that you know, they get jealous of it.

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01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 4: They're very upset about it and wonder why they don't

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Speaker 4: have it. I think again that the past fifteen to

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Speaker 4: twenty years, since the election of Obama, that whites field

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01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 4: that they're losing power. They're losing their grip on what

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01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 4: America is all about, which is you know, enslavement, racism,

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01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:25,840
Speaker 4: and so forth. And they were in charge, and now

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01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 4: they feel that they're losing that grip on the power

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01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 4: they've had for many, many years. I don't think we

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01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 4: can afford to ignore it.

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Speaker 6: I think what we have to do is that we

1746
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 6: have to.

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01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 4: Develop counter racist strategies for dealing with it, being prepared

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01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:51,480
Speaker 4: to move quickly at whatever level we're at in the society.

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01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 4: And many of us are not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that it's a prevailing thought among some whites,

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01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:00,560
Speaker 1: Doctor Winbush that Donald Trump just made the announcement, but

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01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: they feel that every time we accomplish something, it's at

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Speaker 1: their expense. If there's if there's a black pilot, he

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01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 1: got in there by uh uh, you know, because I'm

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01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 1: not on merit, because he was on race. If the

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Speaker 1: black president of Harvard, the same thing everyone who is accomplished.

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01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm thinking he tries to be a little of them.

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01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 1: Obama is Obamas in his head constantly. He can't get

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01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:25,600
Speaker 1: over the fact that Obama, uh, you know, went to

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Speaker 1: Harvard and when Harvard Law Review is an attorney's wife's

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01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:31,640
Speaker 1: that bugs him. And then on top of it that

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01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 1: somebody had the temerity to give Obama a No Belt

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Speaker 1: Peace Prize. And that's what he wants most. He wants

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Speaker 1: to eclipse everything that Obama has done because Obama's black.

1765
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,560
Speaker 1: Not anything else, but just Obomba is black. So this

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Speaker 1: fits into the narrative that he's when he said that,

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Speaker 1: you think about that. But my thing is, though, is

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Speaker 1: the people, even the black maga, the white maga, who

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Speaker 1: believe that, And what and if and if we have

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Speaker 1: to deal with him on a daily basis, how that

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Speaker 1: could impact us?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 6: It does?

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I've met black maggots. You know,

1775
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:07,600
Speaker 4: I think they're delusional. You know, the white maggots to me,

1776
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 4: have always been around. It's just that they can find

1777
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 4: their free expression of their they find their free expression

1778
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 4: of racism now in Donald Trump. He's kind of like

1779
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 4: their savior. It's a cult. No matter what he does,

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01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 4: you know, people are gonna believe on and unfortunately a

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01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 4: lot of black folks you know, are in that camp.

1782
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 4: I mean people talk about well, you know, seven eight percent,

1783
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 4: you know, black people voted for Donald Trump. You know,

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Speaker 4: none of that surprises me. In a system of white supremacy. Again,

1785
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 4: we have to decide what we're going to do in

1786
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 4: that situation and to ignore the system of white supremacies

1787
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 4: at our own risks. And many of us I've talked

1788
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:00,679
Speaker 4: to people say well, look, just quit talking about Trump,

1789
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:04,599
Speaker 4: and it's almost like it'll go away. Well that's not true.

1790
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Speaker 1: He is.

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01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 4: He represents the long historical narrative of white people feeling

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01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 4: threatened by black accomplishments, which has then, you know, in

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Speaker 4: this country since it was founded nearly two hundred and

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01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 4: fifty years ago, and it is going to continue.

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Speaker 1: So what do we do. Some people say it's it's

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01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:32,720
Speaker 1: good that Donald Trump is here because it makes us

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01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 1: get on our game. And now we know, with all

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01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 1: we got, we got to get within ourselves and build

1799
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 1: our own economy, build our own infrastructures, and you know,

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01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 1: survive without them, because they're not trying to help us.

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Speaker 1: That's basically what he's trying to say, because his message

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01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 1: is said, any black person you see that has accomplished something,

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01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 1: he did it at the expense of a white person.

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01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: That's the narrative that he's pushing. So how do we

1805
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,559
Speaker 1: deal with that? Do we just ignore them, Doc green

1806
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,639
Speaker 1: Wish and keep on doing our own thing and say okay,

1807
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: we'll show you, or just to go on them totally.

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Speaker 15: You know.

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Speaker 4: I think it's like Tony Morrison said, you know, no

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01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:09,560
Speaker 4: matter what black people do, I don't care what we do.

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01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:15,440
Speaker 4: If we, like I said, discovered a cure for as measles,

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01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 4: chicken box cancer, and everything else and sold it for

1813
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 4: five bucks, people would still say, well, they must have

1814
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:27,040
Speaker 4: gotten that from somebody else. Those black people couldn't have

1815
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:33,000
Speaker 4: done that by themselves. Kamala Harris was a product of

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01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 4: affirmative actions. So was Barack Obama, you know, so was

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01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 4: George Washington. Car But they'll go back on some of

1818
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 4: this stuff.

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01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 6: So you know, I don't try.

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01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 4: I think that trying to prove to white people that

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01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:54,679
Speaker 4: you're worthy of your humanity is a waste of time.

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01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:59,760
Speaker 4: I think that you do your own thing, you accomplished,

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01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 4: what will with an eye towards how the system of

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01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:10,600
Speaker 4: white supremacy is going to try to detegrate that, you know,

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01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 4: put it aside or whatever. I was very proud of

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01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:19,599
Speaker 4: the fact that Jasmine Crockett, who's running for Senate down

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01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 4: in Texas, you know, did that commercial. Her opening commercial

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01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:30,680
Speaker 4: was Trump denouncing it, you know, him her, And it's

1829
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 4: funny how like he always refers to black women, especially

1830
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 4: as low IQ person. That's a racist term. But she,

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01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 4: instead of ignoring that, she put it out front. And

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01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 4: I think that that, you know, shows more about him

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01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 4: than it does her. And I think that we have

1834
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:54,800
Speaker 4: to do more things like that among ourselves, is say, look,

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01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 4: we know that you're a racist, we know that you're

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01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 4: going to tear down what ever I accomplished, but that

1837
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 4: doesn't keep me from doing what I need to be

1838
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 4: doing in the society.

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Speaker 1: All Right, that's seventeen out of the top. That we've

1840
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 1: got a step aside for a few moments and we

1841
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 1: come back. Let's talk about some other issues as well,

1842
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 1: like the ongoing ice protests, also problems in Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Greenland.

1843
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 1: Let's let's get into all of that when we get back.

1844
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,599
Speaker 1: Family you want to join this conversation with that guest,

1845
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 1: the doctor Rae Wimbush from Morgan State University. Reach out

1846
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 1: to us. Our telephone numbers easy, it's eight hundred four

1847
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: to five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

1848
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 1: your phone calls next. Anger and Rising family. Thanks to

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01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 1: starting your Tuesday with less than our guest from Morgan

1850
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,960
Speaker 1: State University, dtr Ray Wimbush, and not to Wimbush, we

1851
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 1: had the conversations if you just checked in about what

1852
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 1: Donald Trump said. It's a quote he says civil rights

1853
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 1: caused white people to be badly treated, and we've got

1854
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 1: a tweet for you. Dr Weiber's tweeter says, you keep

1855
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 1: having these discussions as if these people are going to

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01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 1: change today. They are more desperate because once they become

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01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:01,679
Speaker 1: a manory in this country, they are scared. We will

1858
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,720
Speaker 1: seek revenge. These are snakes and we are playing with

1859
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 1: fire trying to pacify their behavior. We need our own

1860
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 1: plan on how we can survive this. The only plans

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01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: they have for you have for us is death. That's

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Speaker 1: a that's a tweet from one of our listeners.

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Speaker 4: I agree, I.

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Speaker 6: Mean, I agree with the quote.

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Speaker 4: You know and you don't want to sound pessimistic, but

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01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 4: if you really believe that somehow, you know, you know,

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01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 4: the doctor King's vision of the beloved community is just

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01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:39,640
Speaker 4: around the corner. You know. With all due respect to

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01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:43,840
Speaker 4: doctor King, you know, I've never really believed that about

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Speaker 4: the United States of America, and not only the United

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01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 4: States of America, but people classified as white from South

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01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 4: Africa to Europe to the United States, Canada and points

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01:48:55,960 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 4: in between. They're a minority, and as a minority, they

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01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 4: respond to us as if they are. There is an

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01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:13,000
Speaker 4: obsession with race in their heads, and they'll accuse us

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01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 4: of being or playing the race card. So I think

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01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 4: what we've got to do again is say, what do

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01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 4: we do in a system of white supremacy that never

1879
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:31,640
Speaker 4: has you know, meant us any good, has killed us,

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01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 4: has enslaved us, has colonized us, and all of the

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01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 4: what do we do now in this place? And we've

1882
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:45,120
Speaker 4: got to build our own institutions. Some of the institutions

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01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 4: are out of this country, which a lot of us

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01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:51,280
Speaker 4: don't want to deal with. You know, I've said repeatedly

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01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 4: that only about thirty five percent of black people even

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01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 4: have passports. If you know, black Americans. So I think

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01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:03,600
Speaker 4: that we've you've got to start looking at like the

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01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 4: global issues of what will keep us alive in a

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01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 4: situation that is increasingly under Trump saying now we feel

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01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 4: so threatened that we are going to come after you.

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Speaker 4: We are going to set up, you know, a gestapo

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01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 4: called ice kill people, And what are you going to

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01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 4: be doing during this time because we're coming after you?

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01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:32,800
Speaker 4: And as the you know, the person who tweeted that said,

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01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 4: I just don't have that much faith at all. You

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01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:42,640
Speaker 4: know that, you know, people classified in what are going

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01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 4: to change so dramatically that we can exhale. I just

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01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:47,560
Speaker 4: don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: Wow, twenty four the top. Let's talk about that shooting.

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Speaker 1: If it happens to be a wide American female, does

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01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:57,720
Speaker 1: that make a difference. Will America wake up now and

1902
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:00,160
Speaker 1: see what's going on? And will this Do you think

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01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:03,719
Speaker 1: this will change what we're seeing that's taking place across

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01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 1: especially with the Ice folks, because I saw a report

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01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,760
Speaker 1: out of Philly that the Black Panther Party showed up

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01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,680
Speaker 1: at their rally, and some people say that this is

1907
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 1: what Donald Trump wants. He wants some sort of confrontation.

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01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 1: That's why they picked Minnesota. They think that all this

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01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:19,880
Speaker 1: was contrived Dodor Wimbush, because they know that this is

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01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 1: where George Floyd was and the reaction to George Floyd

1911
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Speaker 1: is murdered on the streets that everybody saw. And Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump said, if that happens, if that kind of reaction happens,

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Speaker 1: it will never happen out of his watch. But they

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Speaker 1: think all of this to say in all of that,

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01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:36,080
Speaker 1: they think all of this is just for a prelude

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Speaker 1: so he can declare martial law. What do you think?

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Speaker 4: Well, now, I agree, And there was an article in

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Speaker 4: New York Times just a couple of days ago said

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01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:49,120
Speaker 4: that right now Stephen Miller and his minions are trying

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Speaker 4: to look at how the midterms are, you know hell,

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01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,360
Speaker 4: because as you know, the party out of you know,

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Speaker 4: power usually lose or this in power usually loses a

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Speaker 4: life out of seats in the House, and they're already,

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Speaker 4: you know, planning to deal with that. I've said that

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Speaker 4: all of these towns and cities where Trump has occupied,

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Speaker 4: and it is an occupation, they're predominantly black or very

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Speaker 4: Democratic or both. And I think that he knows that

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Speaker 4: if he can suppress the black vote as well as

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Speaker 4: more liberal states like Minnesota, California, Portland, Oregon as a

1930
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Speaker 4: as a city that he can possibly win the election,

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Speaker 4: you know, in November.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Again, I think that we have to be prepared for

1934
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Speaker 4: more things than you know, that are happening to us

1935
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Speaker 4: right now than we are doing at this point. You know,

1936
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, the killing of the white woman,

1937
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Speaker 4: it may trigger something different. During the civil rights era,

1938
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Speaker 4: when the three civil rights workers were found in Mississippi, Philadelphia, Mississippi,

1939
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Speaker 4: it triggered onslot of you know, white outcries against you know,

1940
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Speaker 4: what was going on in the South at that time.

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Speaker 4: You know, you know, I've got to wait and see

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Speaker 4: attitude about it. But I think that people are coalescing

1943
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Speaker 4: around us, and it's not just in Minnesota, around the country.

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Speaker 4: I don't think ice is going to be in Minnesota

1945
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Speaker 4: within the next few months. I really don't. But I

1946
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Speaker 4: think that Trump wants a confrontation. If we can avoid it, fine.

1947
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Speaker 6: But I doubt if we can.

1948
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Speaker 4: And some other people are going to get.

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Speaker 1: Killed, right and there can be some Asian provocatus in

1950
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Speaker 1: the crowd, well, just to get things off. So that's

1951
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Speaker 1: what we've got to and then then he'll send in

1952
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Speaker 1: the National Guard. Then you know, then we have martial

1953
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Speaker 1: law if he sees especially if he sees the trends

1954
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Speaker 1: right now, I'm sure you've seen the trends of the

1955
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Speaker 1: MAGA group. The Republicans are losing, losing people who say

1956
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Speaker 1: they support what what Donald Trump is doing then, but

1957
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Speaker 1: they're not going over the Democratic side. They're going as independence.

1958
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Speaker 1: That's the ladies uh polls that have been shown and

1959
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Speaker 1: I'm sure the White House knows this. That's why he's

1960
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Speaker 1: going on a tour to talk about affordability. He's going

1961
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 1: to try and tell you that the cost of a

1962
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 1: loaf of bread is cheaper today than it was. And

1963
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Speaker 1: it also is going to mention Biden's name a lot.

1964
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Speaker 1: If you've noticed what I'm sure you've noticed it too,

1965
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Speaker 1: a doctor wing wish whenever he's saying something, well, the

1966
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Speaker 1: last administrats show the Biden administration or the or the

1967
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:51,120
Speaker 1: bombas always has to compare himself with saying you're doing

1968
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Speaker 1: much better, the economy is much better, but the numbers

1969
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Speaker 1: don't show that. My question to you is, how can

1970
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Speaker 1: we how can we depend on the numbers of their giveness,

1971
01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 1: like the unemployment numbers that and he's pushing her own

1972
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 1: panel to get out of the FED as somebody he hired.

1973
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 1: How can how can we how can we rely on

1974
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Speaker 1: those figures? Knowing that he got rid of the woman

1975
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Speaker 1: who was there before to the Labor Department because she

1976
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:16,400
Speaker 1: she reported the numbers as the numbers are and not

1977
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Speaker 1: what he wanted. He wants people to sugar coat the numbers.

1978
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Speaker 1: How reliable are these numbers that we can say that, okay,

1979
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Speaker 1: this is why the government says, because a lot of

1980
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Speaker 1: people in the economy make decisions on those numbers.

1981
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Speaker 4: Well, you can't rely on them. And when he fired

1982
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Speaker 4: the woman over Bureau of Labor Statistics, you know, that's

1983
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Speaker 4: type of behavior, getting rid of a person that's giving

1984
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Speaker 4: you know, it informs the FED, it informs Wall Street,

1985
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Speaker 4: it informs you know, companies inventory in a variety of

1986
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 4: other things. Linger with the fact that his terrorists have

1987
01:55:56,600 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 4: gone absolutely nowhere, and the Supreme War are most likely,

1988
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Speaker 4: it seems during arguments are going to rule against his tariffs.

1989
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Speaker 4: We're headed for an economic disaster. And I think that

1990
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Speaker 4: you know, people who are still believing that he's telling

1991
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Speaker 4: them the truth, and I'm talking about the maggots. You know,

1992
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Speaker 4: if they really believe that. It again defines what.

1993
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Speaker 6: A cult is. He lies all the time.

1994
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Speaker 4: And he'll tell you that the prices are going down,

1995
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Speaker 4: and then people go to the grocery stores and say,

1996
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Speaker 4: these prices on going down, there going up, and you know,

1997
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Speaker 4: and then he'll rely, of course on well, gas is down.

1998
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Speaker 4: It is down, and it's probably going to go down

1999
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Speaker 4: further because of his invasion of Venezuela. But all of

2000
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Speaker 4: these things, I think that, you know, he has a

2001
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Speaker 4: major credibility problem. He knows it, and Steven Miller knows it.

2002
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Speaker 4: And the way you get the blood, you know, boiling

2003
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Speaker 4: among maggots is to play the race card, which she's

2004
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Speaker 4: done in the past few days, especially with that interview

2005
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Speaker 4: with the New York Times last week when he said

2006
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Speaker 4: all these crazy things about you know, the only thing

2007
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Speaker 4: that can stop me is you. My mind and my

2008
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Speaker 4: morality is if he has any So we're in a

2009
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:29,560
Speaker 4: bad place right now. But again, you know, we have

2010
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Speaker 4: to decide what we want to do with an eye

2011
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Speaker 4: towards how the system of white supremacy will react to it.

2012
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Speaker 1: So and the question is always for us on this

2013
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Speaker 1: program is what do we do black folks, especially on

2014
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Speaker 1: this side of the ocean. What what is what's our move?

2015
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:49,200
Speaker 1: Now we know what they're doing. Some people are still

2016
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:51,760
Speaker 1: delusional that Donald Trump's working for all of us. But

2017
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Speaker 1: that interview we took me the New York Times tells

2018
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Speaker 1: you how he feels about you. So what's our next move?

2019
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Speaker 1: Should we stay and try to prove to the world that,

2020
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Speaker 1: you know, we really don't need help, We don't need

2021
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Speaker 1: a handout. We can do it by ourselves. We got

2022
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Speaker 1: a lot of talented, superimd talented brothers and sisters in

2023
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:12,360
Speaker 1: all areas, but many of them are working for the

2024
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Speaker 1: other side. They're not working for us as a group.

2025
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Speaker 1: So how do we what's our next move? That's my question?

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Speaker 1: Dot weenbish?

2027
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Speaker 4: What do we do?

2028
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Speaker 14: You know?

2029
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Speaker 4: I think what we have to do is look beyond

2030
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Speaker 4: where we usually look. You know, I gave a workshop

2031
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:32,680
Speaker 4: yesterday to some folks in the UK and they asked me.

2032
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Speaker 4: You know, you know, in England, they said they feel

2033
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Speaker 4: that Trump is affecting their livelihood. They're very worried about

2034
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 4: the fact that the invades Greenland. You know that black

2035
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 4: folk are going to be affected because they're going to

2036
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Speaker 4: be asked to go to war. You know, NATO all of.

2037
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Speaker 6: This stuff like that.

2038
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Speaker 4: I think what black folk have to do is say, look, this.

2039
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Speaker 6: Is my escape.

2040
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Speaker 4: I think, what do you call it a boogie bag?

2041
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 4: Or you know, how do you do your bug out bag?

2042
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:08,560
Speaker 4: You know, I call it a boogie bag? But you know,

2043
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 4: how do you get out of this situation? Where is

2044
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:15,560
Speaker 4: my family going to meet? I think we have to prepare,

2045
01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:21,840
Speaker 4: like many of these white supremacists are for independent living

2046
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:27,320
Speaker 4: or more independent living. Marie BAINI when Katrina went down

2047
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:31,440
Speaker 4: years ago, I think it showed, she said, how it

2048
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:35,720
Speaker 4: showed how vulnerable we are and how dependent we are

2049
01:59:36,160 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 4: on this society sustaining us. And I think that we

2050
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:45,440
Speaker 4: have to start becoming become more self sustaining in how

2051
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Speaker 4: we live. I talked to somebody earlier this week, and

2052
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:56,160
Speaker 4: she had in her house over fifty thousand dollars, you know,

2053
01:59:56,400 --> 02:00:00,440
Speaker 4: waiting to move in case something happen, because you really

2054
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:04,080
Speaker 4: feel that's going to happen. And I think that we

2055
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 4: can't all put fifty thousand dollars away in our house.

2056
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Speaker 4: But I think that we have to have plans to

2057
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Speaker 4: move quickly and plan for that right now with our families.

2058
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And people might think you're being hyperbolic, but that's

2059
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:21,040
Speaker 1: the reality that was going down. And I'm glad you

2060
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:23,680
Speaker 1: spoke to the folks in the UK because going back

2061
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Speaker 1: to Iceland again, as you mentioned it, she's controlled by

2062
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Speaker 1: Denmark and and Denmark says it's not for sale. Then

2063
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:34,680
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump says he's going to take Iceland, Greenland

2064
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Speaker 1: we're either by force or it's going to pay for them,

2065
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Speaker 1: but they've rejected that. And then NATO Article five and

2066
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Speaker 1: NATO because Denmark is part of NATO, so that so

2067
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Speaker 1: that goes for Greenland as well. If you attack one,

2068
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Speaker 1: you attack all. So the Brits are unnoticed. And I

2069
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:52,640
Speaker 1: was reading one of the newspapers were saying they may

2070
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Speaker 1: put boots on the ground in Greenland. That's the that's

2071
02:00:55,240 --> 02:00:58,920
Speaker 1: the concern. The Brits are concerned. But you do you

2072
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:00,960
Speaker 1: think it's going to get to that point on the

2073
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Speaker 1: brink of World War three?

2074
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Speaker 6: Doctor Embush, Well, if he invades Greenland, we are.

2075
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Speaker 4: You know, I was listening to that, you know, human

2076
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:14,480
Speaker 4: Skeleton Stephen Miller the other day when he was doing

2077
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Speaker 4: that CNN interview with Jake Tapper, and you know, this

2078
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:24,640
Speaker 4: whole idea that might makes right is something that was

2079
02:01:24,760 --> 02:01:27,720
Speaker 4: part of the seventeenth and eighteenth century, actually was part

2080
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:33,720
Speaker 4: of European culture for centuries. The good part, if you

2081
02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:37,360
Speaker 4: want to say, of the American Revolution was that it

2082
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:42,280
Speaker 4: challenged the idea of the divine right of kings. And

2083
02:01:43,320 --> 02:01:46,280
Speaker 4: you know, I always tell people the American Revolution the

2084
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:50,000
Speaker 4: Asian Revolution are two of the most important revolution are

2085
02:01:50,160 --> 02:01:54,360
Speaker 4: the most important revolutions in history. But now it seems

2086
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:57,360
Speaker 4: that Stephen Miller and Trump want to return to this.

2087
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Speaker 4: You know, people keep talking about the operation in Venezuela,

2088
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Speaker 4: or you know, maybe we should talk about acquiring Greenland,

2089
02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:14,960
Speaker 4: as if these are legitimate things to even talk about.

2090
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Speaker 4: He invaded a country, you know, Venezuela. He's stealing the oil.

2091
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Speaker 4: In fact, denounced the CEO of Exxon a couple of

2092
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Speaker 4: days ago when he had a little gathering at the

2093
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:34,520
Speaker 4: White House because Exon said it's not viable for us

2094
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:38,520
Speaker 4: to go into Venezuela. It costs too much money. And

2095
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:41,480
Speaker 4: he said the guy was playing games or something like that.

2096
02:02:42,280 --> 02:02:45,920
Speaker 4: You know, no one is putting a check on his power,

2097
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:50,200
Speaker 4: and he has awesome power as president of the United States,

2098
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Speaker 4: and if he invades Greenland, it's the end of the

2099
02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:59,360
Speaker 4: NATO Alliance. My colleagues over in London and other places,

2100
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:03,520
Speaker 4: their fear that their guys are going to be drafted,

2101
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Speaker 4: you know, today, to move to Greenland to fight American

2102
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Speaker 4: positively American blankfolk you know who don't you know or

2103
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:18,160
Speaker 4: who obey Trump. So I mean we're in a scenario

2104
02:03:18,280 --> 02:03:21,000
Speaker 4: that we really have not been in. And when I

2105
02:03:21,120 --> 02:03:24,000
Speaker 4: say we, I'm talking about the United States have been

2106
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,680
Speaker 4: in since the beginning of this country. And this is

2107
02:03:26,720 --> 02:03:29,200
Speaker 4: the two hundred and fiftieth year of it all.

2108
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Speaker 1: Right, Hold, I thought the doctor wingbish when we get

2109
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:35,320
Speaker 1: back to is this the arendoctrination of the Monroe doctrine?

2110
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Speaker 1: If you can think that's why he's going to after Greenlanders.

2111
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:41,120
Speaker 1: United States want to control all the Americans from North

2112
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Speaker 1: America to South America and everything in between. I'll actually

2113
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Speaker 1: flesh that out when we get back Faundly. You two

2114
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Speaker 1: can get in on this conversation with doctor Ray Wmbich

2115
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Speaker 1: from Morgan State University. Reach out to us at eight

2116
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Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

2117
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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, and

2118
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Speaker 1: thanks for making us part of your early morning Richeal.

2119
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Speaker 1: I guess there's a Morgan State University professor, doctor Ray Wimbush.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to doctor Wembush, let me just

2121
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Speaker 1: remind you come up. Later this week, we're going to

2122
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Speaker 1: talk to chematologist brother Tony Browner. Brother Tony's got a

2123
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Speaker 1: new book out that chronicles his forty year trek to Egypt,

2124
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Speaker 1: and he's going to tell us all about that. Also,

2125
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Speaker 1: investigative journalist Greg palace To will be here. Greg sooner

2126
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Speaker 1: join us, I think from Madrid or from Lisbon. Anyway.

2127
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Speaker 1: He knows directly Maduro, he knows Hugo Chaves, he knows

2128
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Speaker 1: Delsei Rodrikus, and he's gonna tell us what's going on

2129
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Speaker 1: in Venezuela. It's gonna be a unique conversation with Greg

2130
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Speaker 1: palace Also, we're gonna hear from DC activists. Brother Obi

2131
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Speaker 1: will be with us. An ambassador Ariana Chimbori Qua will

2132
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Speaker 1: also be here to talk about Africa, Rise in Africa

2133
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Speaker 1: one oh one. This is what she's pushing through the

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Speaker 1: ad DD group. So make sure your radio is locked

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Speaker 1: in tight if you're in Baltimore around ten ten WLB,

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Speaker 1: or if you're in the Washington, DC Metropolitany era on

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifty w ol doctor Wimbush back to this Monroe doctrine,

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Speaker 1: is this some people are saying this, and I'll I'll

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Speaker 1: let you respond to this. Some people saying this is

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Speaker 1: what what they're going to do is give Trump everything

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Speaker 1: in the Americans from North America all the way to

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Speaker 1: the tip of South America, and that Russia is going

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Speaker 1: to take all of Europe, and China's going to take

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Speaker 1: all of China and Asia and and then then they're

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Speaker 1: going to divvy up Africa amongst themselves. Is that Is

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Speaker 1: that just internet chatter or if you heard anything like this,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 4: Well, it may be internet chatter, but it seems like

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Speaker 4: it's shaping up that way. You know, there's a whole

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Speaker 4: lot of you know, conspiracy stuff, but I try to try,

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02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:41,280
Speaker 4: you know, fairly accurate news media. I mean, the whole

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Speaker 4: thing the Moro.

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Speaker 6: Doctrine essentially said is we know.

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Speaker 4: That Europe should stay out of the so called Western

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Speaker 4: industry or America or in the United States, I should say,

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02:05:55,160 --> 02:06:00,200
Speaker 4: South America, Central America, Canada, and so forth. And the

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Speaker 4: only one incident where that was violated or was preceeds

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02:06:05,800 --> 02:06:08,400
Speaker 4: as a violation of the Monroe Doctor was a Cuban

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02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:12,000
Speaker 4: missile crisis back in nineteen sixty two when Russia put

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Speaker 4: missiles in Cuba, and you know, that was a brink,

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Speaker 4: that was a drink of World War three. Then what

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Speaker 4: has happened now is that Trump seems to be obsessed.

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Speaker 4: Was saying We're going to control everything from Greenland, the

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Speaker 4: tip the northern tip of Greenland all the way to

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Speaker 4: the southern tip of South America. Keep in mind that

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Speaker 4: he you know, renamed the Gulf of Mexico. He has

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Speaker 4: threatened to acquire Canada as the fifty first state, said

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Speaker 4: we need to get the Panama Canal back and has

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Speaker 4: as well as take Greenland, and he's invaded Venezuelan and

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Speaker 4: people are capitulating to the present in a Columbia called him,

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02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:05,440
Speaker 4: who has been a good ally in the so called

2172
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:11,240
Speaker 4: war against drugs, and the more power that he exercises

2173
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:16,200
Speaker 4: and is successful in, you know, stealing things such as oil,

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Speaker 4: he's going to continue to do it. And he has done.

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Speaker 4: And apparently Russia said, look, we want Europe, and China

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Speaker 4: said give us. Japan took Taiwan, you know, the Koreas

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Speaker 4: and whatever so you know, this idea of spheres of influence,

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Speaker 4: which was you know, part of nineteenth century international diplomacy,

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Speaker 4: seems like it's re emerging right now. And apparently again

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Speaker 4: nobody's trying to check Trump on this stuff. Is not

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Speaker 4: only that, but you know they're calling i think the

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02:07:56,440 --> 02:08:01,040
Speaker 4: Daily News calling it the Donrod doctrine instead of the doctrine.

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Speaker 4: Mean either Donald Trump wants to control all of the

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Speaker 4: Western hemisphere.

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Speaker 1: And you're right there, it doesn't seem to be any

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Speaker 1: pushback yet, you know, a real pushback, not all. That's

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Speaker 1: why I think it gives credence to that what I

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Speaker 1: what I said about, and I actually if it was

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02:08:20,360 --> 02:08:23,840
Speaker 1: internet chatter with him taking all of the Americas, if

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Speaker 1: you will, from Greenland all the way down to the

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Speaker 1: tip of South America, and uh his friend Putin, because

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Speaker 1: Putin has told him he will help him get Greenland Greenland,

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Speaker 1: by the way, and and Russia will take all of Europe,

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Speaker 1: and uh China, she give Chinese, uh the leader all

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Speaker 1: of Asia and then and and that includes uh Australia

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Speaker 1: as well. But then the rest of what's left on

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Speaker 1: the table is Africa. And they're going to carve up

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Speaker 1: Africa for themselves once they've made this division. I know

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Speaker 1: it sounds kind of wild out there, but some people

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Speaker 1: think that this is this is a coming reality.

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Speaker 4: It actually is. And I think that with Africa. You know,

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Speaker 4: this idea of United Africa, which people have talked about

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Speaker 4: since the beginning of the twentieth century, you know, it

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02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:18,040
Speaker 4: seems like it's not going to come to fruition. There

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Speaker 4: were several Africans on this call yesterday and I asked them,

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Speaker 4: what is the idea of having, you know, five regions

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Speaker 4: of Africa which people have outlined and have and they said, no,

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Speaker 4: that's never going to happen. It's just not going to happen.

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Speaker 4: The AU's idea about the United Africa, do Boys and Kroma,

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Speaker 4: none of that is going to happen. And we're going

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Speaker 4: to remain, unfortunately.

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Speaker 6: Upon of the West and the East. You know.

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Speaker 4: So you see Russia in Africa, now you see China

2214
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Speaker 4: throughout Africa, and the American influence in Africa primarily has

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Speaker 4: been to help destabilize, especially in the so called Francophone countries,

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02:10:04,560 --> 02:10:09,200
Speaker 4: the governments as well as France. So again I don't

2217
02:10:09,240 --> 02:10:13,600
Speaker 4: want to sound pessimistic, but it's hard to sound optimistic

2218
02:10:13,720 --> 02:10:17,080
Speaker 4: about what's going on in the world today, particularly with

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Speaker 4: regards to the continent.

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Speaker 1: All right, I got some folks want to talk to

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Speaker 1: you at twelve away from the top. I let's go

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Speaker 1: line line three. Angela's calling us from Washington, DC. Grand Rising, Angelae.

2223
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Speaker 1: I'm with doctor Ray Winbush.

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Speaker 16: Oh, Grant Rising, mister Nelson and doctor Winbush.

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Speaker 11: Doctor.

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Speaker 16: My question, this is my question. You know that the

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Speaker 16: United States in nineteen sixteen bought the islands that are

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Speaker 16: now the US Virgin Islands from Denmark. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 16: the name was the Danish West Indies. So being a

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Speaker 16: transactional person, isn't it possible that Donald Trump is thinking

2231
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Speaker 16: that because the US the business with Denmark in that situation,

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Speaker 16: they can do business with them again.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, Tim Shane, I think.

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Speaker 6: That he thinks that he may be thinking that.

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Speaker 4: But they've taken recent balls in Greenland, and you know,

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Speaker 4: overwhelmingly Greenlanders they want to stay connected to Denmark. You know,

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Speaker 4: nineteen sixty was you know, a very different story, and

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Speaker 4: at that time the Danish wanted to get rid of

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Speaker 4: those islands. At that point they were you know, expensive

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Speaker 4: to run, and the United States took them over. So

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, times change, and I think that

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Speaker 4: he may think that he can do that now, but

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Speaker 4: I don't see how that can happen without a war,

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Speaker 4: and specifically with our allies or United States allies in Europe.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I agree, right, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: We've got to you know, we've got to look at

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Speaker 4: how the world has changed dramatically in the past one

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Speaker 4: hundred and some mid years.

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Speaker 6: United States is a superpower, but you know, so.

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Speaker 4: Is Russian, and so is China right now. And and

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Speaker 4: I think that you know, whether or not, I think

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Speaker 4: Russia would love the United States to take over Greenland

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Speaker 4: because you know, the Arctic is an area that we

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02:12:26,640 --> 02:12:29,280
Speaker 4: don't think a lot of, but it's an area that

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Speaker 4: Russia and the United States definitely are thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Right a lot of minerals. And Greenland also got a

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Speaker 1: tweet doctor Women's tweet that says, who are these boots

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Speaker 1: on the ground? It's talking about how our people said

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02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:44,520
Speaker 1: heck Staff doesn't want women, he doesn't want gays, doesn't

2260
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Speaker 1: want blacks or Hispanics in charge of his military. So

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Speaker 1: who are they going to get if they if they

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Speaker 1: does gut to a skirmish between uh Greenland and the

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Speaker 1: United States, and they know who's who's hecks that's going

2264
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Speaker 1: to get pulled in to go and fight for the

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Speaker 1: US if he doesn't want these all these other folks

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Speaker 1: that don't look like him to be on the front.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, you know we say that, but at

2268
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Speaker 4: the same time, there's a lot of black folk in

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Speaker 4: the US Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines and Coastguard.

2270
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Speaker 4: And again, no one is disobeying with Trump said. You

2271
02:13:19,160 --> 02:13:21,680
Speaker 4: know that video that came out a month or so ago,

2272
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Speaker 4: when you know the Congress people and the Senator Kelly's

2273
02:13:25,720 --> 02:13:30,120
Speaker 4: being you know stripped right now, Senator Kelly in Arizona,

2274
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Speaker 4: it really didn't have that much effect. The idea of

2275
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:40,440
Speaker 4: disobeying orders is sacril saying, you know, even when you

2276
02:13:40,680 --> 02:13:44,640
Speaker 4: know that the person is, you know, the saying things

2277
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Speaker 4: that they shouldn't be doing. Uh. He's fired most of

2278
02:13:48,200 --> 02:13:51,040
Speaker 4: the Joint chiefs of staff and got his own people there,

2279
02:13:51,640 --> 02:13:55,280
Speaker 4: and they're always standing behind him when he's talking about

2280
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Speaker 4: these international moves that he's making. The person to helped

2281
02:14:00,840 --> 02:14:06,200
Speaker 4: they Venezueliva didn't say, well, you know, I'm not going

2282
02:14:06,280 --> 02:14:08,920
Speaker 4: to do that. He did it. The one brother did

2283
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:13,120
Speaker 4: that was over the Caribbean. He resigned rather than do it.

2284
02:14:13,640 --> 02:14:15,960
Speaker 4: But he was the exception rather than the rule.

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Speaker 1: Got you nine away from the top. That brother Mohammed's

2286
02:14:20,080 --> 02:14:22,880
Speaker 1: checking in from the district. He's online for Slama Linka

2287
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:25,080
Speaker 1: and Brother Mohammad. Your question of a comment for doctor

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02:14:25,120 --> 02:14:26,120
Speaker 1: Ray Wimbush.

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Speaker 17: Well lacom salvam, Greetings, doctor Wimbush. I would just I've

2290
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Speaker 17: been listening to you and I've been watching the news,

2291
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:39,160
Speaker 17: you know, all week, and you know, I knew this

2292
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:43,000
Speaker 17: was going to happen with miss Good out in Minneapolis,

2293
02:14:44,800 --> 02:14:49,000
Speaker 17: and the one solution. I could go on and on, Carl,

2294
02:14:49,320 --> 02:14:51,800
Speaker 17: I could take a whole hour, but I'm gonna try

2295
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:57,600
Speaker 17: to make it as small as possible and snippet. All

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Speaker 17: I want to say is, uh, you know Hannibal of Carthage,

2297
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Speaker 17: he killed fifty thousand Roman soldiers in an afternoon. Okay,

2298
02:15:10,640 --> 02:15:15,760
Speaker 17: fifty that's a stadium, not women and children like the Israelis. Okay,

2299
02:15:15,880 --> 02:15:19,800
Speaker 17: with bombs and you know, airplanes, hand to hand, sword

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Speaker 17: and combat, spear combat. Okay, fifty thousand in one afternoon, Okay,

2301
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Speaker 17: and he did it again. I think he killed thirty thousand,

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Speaker 17: and I think the game of thrones where they had

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02:15:32,240 --> 02:15:36,720
Speaker 17: bodies stacked up. They they were emulating Hannibal's victories. Okay,

2304
02:15:38,360 --> 02:15:43,120
Speaker 17: now you know, I love Hannibal, but he's not a

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Speaker 17: good example.

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Speaker 12: In this sense.

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Speaker 17: When you dominating people, you know what you're really doing

2308
02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:55,080
Speaker 17: is you're really teaching them how to dominate you. So

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02:15:56,400 --> 02:16:00,640
Speaker 17: the guy who defeated Hannibal watched Hannibal's slim daughter, both

2310
02:16:00,720 --> 02:16:05,840
Speaker 17: of his uncles who were generals he was on the

2311
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Speaker 17: battle for he saw Hannibal's army and Hannibal's genius slaughter

2312
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:14,520
Speaker 17: his uncles that were generals of the Roman army, and

2313
02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:18,400
Speaker 17: so he got smarter obviously.

2314
02:16:18,120 --> 02:16:18,839
Speaker 6: Than his uncles.

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02:16:19,480 --> 02:16:21,920
Speaker 17: And he met with Hannibal, and they say it was

2316
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Speaker 17: the greatest meeting of men in the history of manhood

2317
02:16:25,560 --> 02:16:28,800
Speaker 17: when these two met. Okay, and then they fought their

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02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:32,360
Speaker 17: battle afterwards. But Hannibal didn't have the support of his

2319
02:16:33,320 --> 02:16:36,720
Speaker 17: politics and Carthage, so he ended up losing. But my

2320
02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:42,760
Speaker 17: point is this, Hannibal gave the Roman Empire the blueprint

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Speaker 17: to become the Roman Empire because he's so dominated the

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02:16:48,320 --> 02:16:53,640
Speaker 17: Roman soldiers and military. So while Trump and Stephen Miller

2323
02:16:54,480 --> 02:17:00,720
Speaker 17: with their cronies are out here dominating the United States citizens.

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02:17:00,760 --> 02:17:04,240
Speaker 17: And we're being nice, by the way, where everybody's being

2325
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Speaker 17: real nice because there's four hundred million guns in the country, Okay,

2326
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:12,960
Speaker 17: but they're teaching us how they're going to be defeated.

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02:17:13,959 --> 02:17:14,240
Speaker 6: Okay.

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02:17:14,920 --> 02:17:19,120
Speaker 17: Karma is that VIPC, you know, Karma is that one

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02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:21,600
Speaker 17: that will never lose your GPS location?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

2331
02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:26,120
Speaker 17: And I would just say one of the solutions. I

2332
02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:27,840
Speaker 17: could go on and on, but I'm just gonna end

2333
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:35,360
Speaker 17: with this one. Everybody toughing up. Okay, toughen up, tough

2334
02:17:35,520 --> 02:17:38,959
Speaker 17: in up, Go go to Ai. Last thing I want

2335
02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:41,960
Speaker 17: to say, Carl, go to AI and ask Ai to

2336
02:17:42,120 --> 02:17:47,120
Speaker 17: list all the revolts and riots from the eighteen hundreds

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Speaker 17: up to nineteen ninety nine. It's the American way, okay,

2338
02:17:53,320 --> 02:17:55,960
Speaker 17: to revolt. And I'm not saying we should do that,

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02:17:56,040 --> 02:17:59,400
Speaker 17: but I'm just saying, toughing up. All of this, marching

2340
02:17:59,440 --> 02:18:01,560
Speaker 17: peacefully and all that kind of stuff is nice, but

2341
02:18:01,959 --> 02:18:04,840
Speaker 17: toughing up people, this, this is, this is not going

2342
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Speaker 17: to end with you know, kumbai ya.

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Speaker 6: The scriptures predicted this.

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Speaker 17: It's not me saying is I'm not advocating by I'm

2345
02:18:11,040 --> 02:18:15,480
Speaker 17: saying the scriptures said take your your your tools and

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02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:17,720
Speaker 17: make them into tools of war. That's what it said,

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02:18:18,120 --> 02:18:19,760
Speaker 17: because this last war is going to be the.

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Speaker 3: End of the wars.

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's not me, that's what the scripture.

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Speaker 1: I think. For that Brother Hammed, we got a stepiside

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Speaker 1: stations can identify himself and I'll let doctor Wimbush respond.

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02:18:30,560 --> 02:18:33,680
Speaker 1: But let me add on this though, for Brother Mohammad

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02:18:33,680 --> 02:18:36,200
Speaker 1: and doctor Wimbush when he comes back and analyzes that,

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02:18:36,280 --> 02:18:39,119
Speaker 1: what the Brother Mohammad just said, isn't that what they want?

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02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:41,240
Speaker 1: Isn't that what the Trumps do just want? Is that

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02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:42,560
Speaker 1: what Donald thomp wants us to do?

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Speaker 17: Carl in the Last Batman movie. In the Last Batman Movie,

2358
02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:54,400
Speaker 17: Batman said to Alfred, Alfred, we've always been criminals. Yeah,

2359
02:18:54,600 --> 02:18:55,440
Speaker 17: give them what they want.

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Speaker 6: They're all.

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02:18:59,200 --> 02:18:59,840
Speaker 13: What they want.

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02:19:00,360 --> 02:19:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well for you, let's give it a chance for

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02:19:03,680 --> 02:19:05,320
Speaker 1: Dr Wembers to respond. But we got to take the

2364
02:19:05,360 --> 02:19:07,640
Speaker 1: book so our stations can identify themselves. Down the lot,

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02:19:07,800 --> 02:19:09,680
Speaker 1: it's four minutes away from the top of the our family.

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02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:11,800
Speaker 1: You two can get in on this discussion. She's bringing

2367
02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:14,080
Speaker 1: out a lot of emotions here. Reach out to us

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02:19:14,120 --> 02:19:17,560
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight, seventy six,

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02:19:17,600 --> 02:19:20,760
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and grind rising family,

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02:19:20,840 --> 02:19:23,200
Speaker 1: thanks to staying with us on this Tuesday morning with

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Speaker 1: our guest Dr Ray Wimbersch from Morgan State University. We

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02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:28,480
Speaker 1: just had a call from Brother Muhammad in DC and

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02:19:28,680 --> 02:19:31,200
Speaker 1: he says one of his solution was the tough enough

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02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:33,879
Speaker 1: and I'm just looking at some of the protests in Minneapolis.

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02:19:33,879 --> 02:19:36,520
Speaker 1: We're talking about that, the shooting of the ice, the

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02:19:36,840 --> 02:19:39,520
Speaker 1: ice shooting of the young woman and thousands of people

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02:19:39,640 --> 02:19:41,840
Speaker 1: now turning out. Dr Wimbersh I want you get your

2378
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:44,280
Speaker 1: response to that too, as well as what Brother Mohammad said.

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02:19:44,320 --> 02:19:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering how many of them would have turned

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02:19:46,240 --> 02:19:48,560
Speaker 1: up because I'm looking at the folks who have marched

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02:19:48,600 --> 02:19:50,280
Speaker 1: and many of them don't look like us. I'm just

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02:19:50,320 --> 02:19:52,840
Speaker 1: wondering if that victim was a black person and many

2383
02:19:52,879 --> 02:19:54,200
Speaker 1: of them white folks who have got out there and

2384
02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:56,400
Speaker 1: the call have been marching in the thousands that they're

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02:19:56,440 --> 02:19:58,320
Speaker 1: doing right now. But I'll let you respond to that

2386
02:19:58,480 --> 02:20:00,879
Speaker 1: and also to what Brother Mohammad said about we need

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02:20:00,959 --> 02:20:03,840
Speaker 1: to tough enough it. You know, we need to be

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02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:05,400
Speaker 1: prepared for what's coming down the pike.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think we're in a double buyde.

2390
02:20:09,480 --> 02:20:14,119
Speaker 4: You know that if you do retaliate, that's what Trump wants.

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02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:18,080
Speaker 4: And what I mean by retaliate if black and white

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02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:21,320
Speaker 4: folks up in Minneapolis or any place around the country

2393
02:20:21,360 --> 02:20:24,560
Speaker 4: starts saying, look, we're gonna start shooting back, you know,

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02:20:26,440 --> 02:20:29,560
Speaker 4: I think that that's what he wants. If you don't

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02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:34,200
Speaker 4: do anything, it's going to continue to escalate. You know,

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Speaker 4: I saw the lawsuit yesterday and Keith Ellison is saying,

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02:20:38,920 --> 02:20:41,360
Speaker 4: we're gonna you know, sue. But the courts are in

2398
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:45,360
Speaker 4: Trump's favor at this point, particularly the Supreme Court. So

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02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:49,520
Speaker 4: I think that again, you know, we've had bad choices

2400
02:20:49,720 --> 02:20:52,840
Speaker 4: like that before. Do we fight or do we just

2401
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:58,280
Speaker 4: remain kind of passive about everything. The only difference right

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02:20:58,360 --> 02:21:01,120
Speaker 4: now is that it was a white person that get killed,

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02:21:01,200 --> 02:21:04,080
Speaker 4: or you know, a white woman. But you know, the

2404
02:21:04,200 --> 02:21:10,040
Speaker 4: Christian nationalist said that because she was LGBTQ, that you know,

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02:21:10,160 --> 02:21:12,480
Speaker 4: it was good that she did get killed. I mean

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02:21:12,600 --> 02:21:16,640
Speaker 4: that's how the so called morality of this country has

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02:21:17,360 --> 02:21:22,280
Speaker 4: drifted towards. So I think right now it's a day

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02:21:22,320 --> 02:21:25,920
Speaker 4: to day thing. I think that some people are going

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02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:30,000
Speaker 4: to choose to r there's I mean, I've talked to

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02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:32,440
Speaker 4: some people up in Minnesota. They say it is absolutely

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02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:36,240
Speaker 4: chaos right now in Minneapolis, and people are afraid to

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02:21:36,320 --> 02:21:40,360
Speaker 4: go to work, sending their children to school and so forth.

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02:21:41,320 --> 02:21:43,360
Speaker 4: I think it's a you know, the drama that is

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02:21:43,400 --> 02:21:46,440
Speaker 4: still unfolding. But I think again, we got to look

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02:21:46,480 --> 02:21:50,440
Speaker 4: at history. If we don't fight, they're going to increase

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02:21:50,800 --> 02:21:53,800
Speaker 4: the violence. If we do fight, they're going to increase

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02:21:53,879 --> 02:21:55,680
Speaker 4: the violence. It's a double bind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm glad you mentioned Keith Ellison, the

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02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:02,240
Speaker 1: state of turn general there, because some folks remember the

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02:22:02,360 --> 02:22:04,440
Speaker 1: last time he surfers in the black community, he threw

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02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:08,000
Speaker 1: the Minister Falgun under the bus. So yeah, I'm sure

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02:22:08,040 --> 02:22:12,600
Speaker 1: remember that doctor Wills should should we respect anything that

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02:22:12,680 --> 02:22:15,200
Speaker 1: he says, does, does? Has he got his black card back?

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02:22:15,360 --> 02:22:16,160
Speaker 1: Is he's still out there?

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02:22:17,400 --> 02:22:22,200
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Keith is like, you know, Keith is

2426
02:22:22,320 --> 02:22:26,080
Speaker 4: like one of these guys you know that he kind

2427
02:22:26,120 --> 02:22:30,200
Speaker 4: of holds his finger up to the wind, you know,

2428
02:22:30,480 --> 02:22:34,039
Speaker 4: to see which way is blowing. Uh. I don't think

2429
02:22:34,120 --> 02:22:36,800
Speaker 4: this lawsuit is going to go to any place. I

2430
02:22:36,840 --> 02:22:39,960
Speaker 4: think it's different than the lawsuit that was filed out

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02:22:40,040 --> 02:22:43,840
Speaker 4: in California that got rid of much not all of

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02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:45,680
Speaker 4: the National Guard that was there.

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02:22:46,360 --> 02:22:48,280
Speaker 6: Uh, you know, we have to win.

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02:22:48,480 --> 02:22:52,760
Speaker 4: See, I mean he's an unknown quantity right now. And

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02:22:53,000 --> 02:22:56,120
Speaker 4: uh and like I said, you know he can change

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02:22:56,240 --> 02:22:58,280
Speaker 4: with the wind. He just can't.

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02:22:59,360 --> 02:23:01,120
Speaker 1: Well, let me share this and I never shared this

2438
02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:03,080
Speaker 1: on today before we are was just on Campital Hill

2439
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:04,840
Speaker 1: with there was a health conference who we're dealing with

2440
02:23:04,920 --> 02:23:08,800
Speaker 1: and they're bringing all these senators and uh uh folks

2441
02:23:08,879 --> 02:23:10,920
Speaker 1: come in for the interviews. And he came in and

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02:23:11,720 --> 02:23:15,280
Speaker 1: he had two young white pr is pr and you know,

2443
02:23:15,400 --> 02:23:19,039
Speaker 1: too young. And I thought about all the journalism student,

2444
02:23:19,080 --> 02:23:22,920
Speaker 1: all the communication our students at Howard or or Montgomery

2445
02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:25,840
Speaker 1: con all the other colleges around Washington, d C. And

2446
02:23:25,959 --> 02:23:29,080
Speaker 1: you've got somehow And he probably saw the distain in

2447
02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:31,040
Speaker 1: my voote in my face. I'll just look at him,

2448
02:23:31,040 --> 02:23:34,600
Speaker 1: shaking my head. I'm like brother, a being, this is

2449
02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:37,040
Speaker 1: what I do is of my profession. I know, Uh,

2450
02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:40,040
Speaker 1: there students on these campuses are black campuses are black

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02:23:40,040 --> 02:23:43,240
Speaker 1: students who were majors and can't and if our own

2452
02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:46,840
Speaker 1: people won't hire us, you know what he's telling me. Oh,

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02:23:46,879 --> 02:23:48,680
Speaker 1: I got to see this person if we want to interview,

2454
02:23:48,720 --> 02:23:51,600
Speaker 1: because we love to have discussion. But after he introduced

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02:23:51,640 --> 02:23:54,280
Speaker 1: this guy, these two two young whites, let's say, okay,

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02:23:54,440 --> 02:23:57,880
Speaker 1: thank you, I'll pass. And then later on through a

2457
02:23:58,000 --> 02:24:00,680
Speaker 1: minister fargun under the of the bus. So you know

2458
02:24:01,040 --> 02:24:03,000
Speaker 1: my thoughts on him, So good luck for him anyway.

2459
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:06,360
Speaker 1: But I just I just yeah, And when you have

2460
02:24:06,480 --> 02:24:08,879
Speaker 1: we're in a position you can help us as a people,

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02:24:09,360 --> 02:24:13,360
Speaker 1: you do it. You know, all these students are at

2462
02:24:13,440 --> 02:24:16,600
Speaker 1: Howard get all these colleges around Washington, d C.

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02:24:18,160 --> 02:24:18,879
Speaker 3: Right right.

2464
02:24:19,400 --> 02:24:20,280
Speaker 4: The journalism.

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02:24:21,040 --> 02:24:23,440
Speaker 1: Wow, I was just so shocked, man. I was just like,

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02:24:23,879 --> 02:24:26,560
Speaker 1: damn if if you if you're not hiring our folks,

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02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:28,680
Speaker 1: who who well the other people are not going to

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02:24:28,800 --> 02:24:32,560
Speaker 1: hire us. It's just it's just and ever just I

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02:24:32,640 --> 02:24:35,000
Speaker 1: just I'm sorry, but I just made you turn off

2470
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:37,879
Speaker 1: with him anyway. Six at the top of the hour, family,

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02:24:37,920 --> 02:24:40,920
Speaker 1: they get off my soapbox. Here, Gepo's checking in from

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02:24:41,000 --> 02:24:43,920
Speaker 1: Silver Spring Online. Five Grand Rising, Geepoi, you're on with

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02:24:43,959 --> 02:24:44,840
Speaker 1: doctor Ray Wimbush.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, family, How are you this morning?

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02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:49,880
Speaker 3: Fine?

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02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:50,320
Speaker 6: Fine?

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02:24:52,040 --> 02:24:57,920
Speaker 7: I'm calling because I heard the great doctor, the great

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02:24:58,080 --> 02:25:06,000
Speaker 7: Professor says something about Africa could not unite. I simply

2479
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:08,680
Speaker 7: wont to disagree with that notion if he did say

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02:25:08,760 --> 02:25:16,760
Speaker 7: that because Africa is witted for black people in America

2481
02:25:18,480 --> 02:25:23,240
Speaker 7: is the reason, no mistake of history, that black people

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02:25:24,480 --> 02:25:28,240
Speaker 7: are found in this part of the world. If you

2483
02:25:28,320 --> 02:25:33,680
Speaker 7: remember in the Book of Exodus, the children of Israel,

2484
02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:39,440
Speaker 7: the biblical children of Israel, did not be me in

2485
02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:45,760
Speaker 7: the land of captivity. We have to return to the

2486
02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:51,680
Speaker 7: land of our ancestors, with the skills, with the wealth,

2487
02:25:52,640 --> 02:25:56,560
Speaker 7: everyone to call a loot back to the mother man

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02:25:56,800 --> 02:26:02,680
Speaker 7: and developed this place in no way with the enslavers

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02:26:04,040 --> 02:26:06,680
Speaker 7: ever be able to conquer our people with the gain.

2490
02:26:07,600 --> 02:26:12,440
Speaker 7: We are waiting for black people in America to unite,

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02:26:14,080 --> 02:26:20,080
Speaker 7: to adjitate, and let the enslavors know that we have

2492
02:26:20,400 --> 02:26:22,840
Speaker 7: learned and mastered the tricks.

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02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:24,680
Speaker 1: We need to go home.

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02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:30,520
Speaker 7: That's what we're waiting for. Africa is ready, but our

2495
02:26:30,600 --> 02:26:34,560
Speaker 7: brothers and sister in the United States have to get

2496
02:26:34,680 --> 02:26:39,080
Speaker 7: ready and come home. Remember doctor King said, and our

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02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:44,960
Speaker 7: clothes on this it seems that integrated my people into

2498
02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:49,160
Speaker 7: a brainy house. If you agreeed that this house is

2499
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:52,240
Speaker 7: on fire, it is time.

2500
02:26:52,160 --> 02:26:52,760
Speaker 5: To go home.

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02:26:53,480 --> 02:26:57,600
Speaker 7: Not everybody gonna go no, But those were the skills,

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02:26:58,640 --> 02:27:03,240
Speaker 7: those were the resources, Miko Gohu, and they I would

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02:27:03,320 --> 02:27:06,800
Speaker 7: be accepted, there would be cherished, there would be a

2504
02:27:06,959 --> 02:27:09,080
Speaker 7: welcome we are with thank you.

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02:27:11,640 --> 02:27:13,720
Speaker 1: Well, let me go ahead dot.

2506
02:27:15,080 --> 02:27:15,280
Speaker 7: Well.

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02:27:15,600 --> 02:27:19,199
Speaker 4: You know, I think that's a very aspirational thing to say.

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02:27:19,879 --> 02:27:23,800
Speaker 4: And the fact of the matter is is that you know,

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02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:31,000
Speaker 4: there are thousands, literally thousands of you know, American Africans

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02:27:31,160 --> 02:27:36,080
Speaker 4: who have relocated to Africa. And keep in mind when

2511
02:27:36,080 --> 02:27:40,240
Speaker 4: I say that Africa has not been united, it has

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02:27:41,000 --> 02:27:45,960
Speaker 4: parts of it is, you know, are being brought together

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02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:51,080
Speaker 4: right now, particularly in the northern part with Mali, Burkina,

2514
02:27:51,160 --> 02:27:55,240
Speaker 4: Fosso and so forth. I don't think you should wait

2515
02:27:55,320 --> 02:27:58,920
Speaker 4: for us. I think that we I think that you've

2516
02:27:58,959 --> 02:28:03,720
Speaker 4: got to do some work two on your end as well,

2517
02:28:05,600 --> 02:28:08,640
Speaker 4: you know, brother, I mean, I really appreciate what you're saying,

2518
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:11,400
Speaker 4: and I think that a lot of black folks, I mean,

2519
02:28:11,480 --> 02:28:16,520
Speaker 4: we can go way back to Dubois and others who

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02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:21,160
Speaker 4: you know, had a Pan African approach and still have

2521
02:28:21,320 --> 02:28:25,160
Speaker 4: a Pan Africans growth. This year is the you know,

2522
02:28:25,320 --> 02:28:29,640
Speaker 4: twenty fifth anniversary of the World Conference Against Racism that

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02:28:29,879 --> 02:28:35,000
Speaker 4: was in Durban, South Africa. I was there and you know,

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02:28:35,520 --> 02:28:42,080
Speaker 4: we did mighty work the December twelfth movement, the Drving

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02:28:42,160 --> 02:28:47,400
Speaker 4: four hundred and others to pull you know, Africans together

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02:28:47,959 --> 02:28:51,120
Speaker 4: on the issue of reparations. And we're very successful in

2527
02:28:51,280 --> 02:28:54,320
Speaker 4: doing that. But there was some reluctance on the part

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02:28:54,760 --> 02:29:01,160
Speaker 4: of many African leaders to do something. Used to have

2529
02:29:01,360 --> 02:29:06,600
Speaker 4: a Pan Africans approach because they were, you know, very

2530
02:29:06,840 --> 02:29:11,800
Speaker 4: nervous about offending their former colonial masters. Less of that

2531
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:16,200
Speaker 4: is true now, but it still exists. And I think

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02:29:16,440 --> 02:29:22,040
Speaker 4: joint meetings between you know African leaders and you know

2533
02:29:22,440 --> 02:29:26,400
Speaker 4: American African people very important, as the brothers say it.

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02:29:27,000 --> 02:29:29,640
Speaker 4: But this is not something that is going to happen overnight,

2535
02:29:30,000 --> 02:29:33,480
Speaker 4: and it's something that you know, has happened, you know,

2536
02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:37,000
Speaker 4: with you know, a modicum of success in the past.

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02:29:38,959 --> 02:29:40,959
Speaker 1: And let me just add for this for brother Gipo

2538
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:45,480
Speaker 1: in Silver Spring, keep listening tomorrow because doctor Ariana Quote

2539
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:49,280
Speaker 1: is going to be here and she's she's got a

2540
02:29:49,320 --> 02:29:52,280
Speaker 1: program already doing what you're saying. If we need to

2541
02:29:52,320 --> 02:29:54,640
Speaker 1: go home, she's got that facilitating those folks who want

2542
02:29:54,640 --> 02:29:56,720
Speaker 1: to do keep listening to she's scheduled to be here tomorrow.

2543
02:29:56,920 --> 02:29:59,040
Speaker 1: She'll like spand all that for you twelve half the

2544
02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:00,640
Speaker 1: top of the hout let's you've roll in for the

2545
02:30:00,879 --> 02:30:04,480
Speaker 1: questions for Dr Wimbush. Brother Carlis is calling for Waldorf

2546
02:30:04,680 --> 02:30:07,200
Speaker 1: is online three Grand Rising brother College. You're on with

2547
02:30:07,440 --> 02:30:09,959
Speaker 1: Doctor Ray Wimbush, Grand.

2548
02:30:09,800 --> 02:30:13,119
Speaker 18: Rising, My dear brothers. Uh, Doctor Wimbush, I don't want

2549
02:30:13,160 --> 02:30:15,000
Speaker 18: to go too deep one this, but I want you

2550
02:30:15,200 --> 02:30:20,039
Speaker 18: to address, if you can, the killing, what the killing

2551
02:30:20,360 --> 02:30:26,120
Speaker 18: of Renee and a cold Good represents, uh, and and

2552
02:30:26,760 --> 02:30:33,320
Speaker 18: the European mindset, that European mindset, and the European male

2553
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:40,120
Speaker 18: that reflects the chronus complex, which is highly racialized and

2554
02:30:40,400 --> 02:30:46,560
Speaker 18: highly masaginalized type of personality. Here you have a white

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02:30:46,640 --> 02:30:49,280
Speaker 18: woman who represents.

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Speaker 15: The motherhood, the very mother that brings forth the children,

2557
02:30:55,160 --> 02:31:03,200
Speaker 15: the white children of the European even though she was LGBT,

2558
02:31:04,720 --> 02:31:10,240
Speaker 15: a gay person person, and yet you could shoot her

2559
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:16,240
Speaker 15: in the face and kill her willy nilly? What did

2560
02:31:16,360 --> 02:31:23,880
Speaker 15: that say about the European psychology of killing women of

2561
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:28,640
Speaker 15: their own ethnicity, white women who produced their children? And

2562
02:31:30,000 --> 02:31:34,959
Speaker 15: what does that say about that psychology explained by Michael

2563
02:31:35,000 --> 02:31:39,000
Speaker 15: Bradley and the ice Man's inheritance and so forth, that

2564
02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:43,120
Speaker 15: talenty there that we have to deal with in this

2565
02:31:43,360 --> 02:31:46,760
Speaker 15: particular society. And it's a deeper question to ask, but

2566
02:31:47,160 --> 02:31:49,280
Speaker 15: my dear brother, I would ask you to reflect on

2567
02:31:49,400 --> 02:31:51,760
Speaker 15: that if you can for me, and I appreciate you,

2568
02:31:51,959 --> 02:31:53,680
Speaker 15: thank you now.

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02:31:53,840 --> 02:31:57,560
Speaker 4: It is a very good question, and I think it

2570
02:31:57,720 --> 02:32:01,840
Speaker 4: shows the insecurity the white.

2571
02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:03,959
Speaker 6: Males are feeling from the White.

2572
02:32:03,720 --> 02:32:08,520
Speaker 4: House on down. White males right now, you know, are

2573
02:32:08,680 --> 02:32:15,840
Speaker 4: very nervous about their quote manhood. They feel that their women,

2574
02:32:16,280 --> 02:32:22,119
Speaker 4: along with them in many cases, you know, are asserting themselves,

2575
02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:26,879
Speaker 4: you know, at levels that they've never seen before. Even

2576
02:32:26,920 --> 02:32:30,520
Speaker 4: though I think the white women you know, benefit me

2577
02:32:30,879 --> 02:32:35,240
Speaker 4: mightily from the largest of dei or whatever you want

2578
02:32:35,280 --> 02:32:35,720
Speaker 4: to call it, but.

2579
02:32:37,320 --> 02:32:38,320
Speaker 6: They want to keep their.

2580
02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:43,879
Speaker 4: Women in place. And here was a white woman who

2581
02:32:44,120 --> 02:32:49,240
Speaker 4: was defiant, who was asserter, who was clearly at ease

2582
02:32:49,360 --> 02:32:53,480
Speaker 4: if you believe those videos, and said, you know, I

2583
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:56,080
Speaker 4: ain't gonna take your stuff, and they said, well, we'll

2584
02:32:56,200 --> 02:33:01,280
Speaker 4: kill you then, and they did. They've dragged white pregnant

2585
02:33:01,400 --> 02:33:05,959
Speaker 4: women on the ground, you know, in Minneapolis right now.

2586
02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:09,440
Speaker 4: And I think that this shows more about the insecurity

2587
02:33:09,520 --> 02:33:13,080
Speaker 4: of white men and the extremes that white men will

2588
02:33:13,200 --> 02:33:17,679
Speaker 4: even kill their own women. White people have always sacrificed

2589
02:33:18,959 --> 02:33:23,200
Speaker 4: their own children, their own men, and their own women

2590
02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:29,600
Speaker 4: in service of the greater good in their you know,

2591
02:33:29,720 --> 02:33:34,800
Speaker 4: as a mission, you know, maintaining white male hood, you know,

2592
02:33:34,920 --> 02:33:36,480
Speaker 4: and manhood.

2593
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Speaker 6: So you know, again I'm not surprised.

2594
02:33:40,480 --> 02:33:43,440
Speaker 4: I think that the world's reaction to it, and you know,

2595
02:33:43,720 --> 02:33:47,520
Speaker 4: obviously there's been a national reaction to it. There probably

2596
02:33:48,040 --> 02:33:52,680
Speaker 4: is much greater had been, you know, been a black

2597
02:33:52,800 --> 02:33:57,800
Speaker 4: woman insecurity of white men, you know, full throttle right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is on display. And we want to

2599
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:04,080
Speaker 1: talk about some other areas as well. We come around

2600
02:34:04,120 --> 02:34:05,680
Speaker 1: a break and we've got some more folks want to talk.

2601
02:34:05,720 --> 02:34:08,279
Speaker 1: You also want to talk about what's going on in Iran,

2602
02:34:09,080 --> 02:34:13,440
Speaker 1: also Venezuela and Cuba as well, and folks, anything else

2603
02:34:13,480 --> 02:34:15,039
Speaker 1: that you want to discuss, you can reach us at

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02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:19,280
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six Iran. Though,

2605
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Speaker 1: before we go to the break, Dr Wimbrish, I want

2606
02:34:22,320 --> 02:34:25,160
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on the saber ratling between the

2607
02:34:25,240 --> 02:34:27,959
Speaker 1: United States and Iran, because Iran is threatening. They're going

2608
02:34:28,040 --> 02:34:30,560
Speaker 1: to retaliate and not only come after America, but they're

2609
02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:33,039
Speaker 1: going to come after Israel as well. That's a target.

2610
02:34:33,959 --> 02:34:35,720
Speaker 1: Do you think this is something that this is a

2611
02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:38,960
Speaker 1: fight that the Trump administration wants and he's got all

2612
02:34:39,000 --> 02:34:42,960
Speaker 1: these hot spots all across the world. Do we have

2613
02:34:43,160 --> 02:34:46,600
Speaker 1: the manpower to fight all these these wars? If you will,

2614
02:34:47,959 --> 02:34:49,400
Speaker 1: I'll let you respond to all of that when we

2615
02:34:49,520 --> 02:34:51,280
Speaker 1: get back, because we guys take the break. Family, what

2616
02:34:51,360 --> 02:34:53,279
Speaker 1: are your thoughts you want to jump in on this conversation.

2617
02:34:53,400 --> 02:34:55,400
Speaker 1: You can reach us easy. You know the number. It's

2618
02:34:55,480 --> 02:34:58,640
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

2619
02:34:58,680 --> 02:35:01,680
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and grand Rising family.

2620
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Speaker 1: Twenty minutes after top of thanks for staying with us

2621
02:35:03,879 --> 02:35:05,720
Speaker 1: on this Tuesday morning with our guest that doctor Ray

2622
02:35:05,800 --> 02:35:09,360
Speaker 1: Wimbush from Morgan State University discussing a bunch of ideas

2623
02:35:09,400 --> 02:35:11,960
Speaker 1: that are making the news this morning. And before we left,

2624
02:35:12,680 --> 02:35:15,000
Speaker 1: Docs Winbers talked about all these hot spots around the

2625
02:35:15,000 --> 02:35:18,360
Speaker 1: world that Donald Trump is squaring off with and it

2626
02:35:18,480 --> 02:35:20,960
Speaker 1: means that he's going to send not our troops, are

2627
02:35:20,959 --> 02:35:23,600
Speaker 1: going to send American troops, if you will, to put

2628
02:35:23,640 --> 02:35:26,800
Speaker 1: out these fires. And my question does the United States

2629
02:35:26,879 --> 02:35:29,000
Speaker 1: have the manpowered to do it? Do they have the

2630
02:35:29,480 --> 02:35:33,039
Speaker 1: military force behind it to engage in all these different

2631
02:35:33,080 --> 02:35:37,440
Speaker 1: skirmishes that Donald Trump is starting across the globe.

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Speaker 4: Your thoughts, well, I don't think the United States does

2633
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:46,200
Speaker 4: have that power. And you've probably also heard that Trump

2634
02:35:46,760 --> 02:35:50,440
Speaker 4: issued an order for all Americans to leave Venezuela because

2635
02:35:50,480 --> 02:35:53,800
Speaker 4: there are the ideas that you know, Venezuela is not

2636
02:35:53,879 --> 02:35:58,920
Speaker 4: going to retaliate against Americans who are living in venezuel

2637
02:35:59,000 --> 02:36:02,840
Speaker 4: The working invented Zuela is a myth and he knows it.

2638
02:36:03,040 --> 02:36:05,840
Speaker 4: And there's gangs already, I want to call him gangs.

2639
02:36:05,879 --> 02:36:10,440
Speaker 4: There are groups already now in Venezuela that are talking

2640
02:36:10,440 --> 02:36:14,400
Speaker 4: about hunting down and killing Americans on site. I mean

2641
02:36:14,480 --> 02:36:18,959
Speaker 4: with regards to Iran, you know, you know, of course,

2642
02:36:19,240 --> 02:36:23,160
Speaker 4: you know, I think that Trump has underestimated a lot

2643
02:36:23,240 --> 02:36:26,600
Speaker 4: of retaliatory. You know, he doesn't have a plan B

2644
02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:32,480
Speaker 4: after he executes a plan A. These oil executives is

2645
02:36:32,560 --> 02:36:36,720
Speaker 4: at best, we're cool about going into Venezuela. And I

2646
02:36:36,840 --> 02:36:40,520
Speaker 4: think with regards to Iran, it's the same thing. It's

2647
02:36:40,640 --> 02:36:44,400
Speaker 4: clear that Iran has the capability of retaliating not only

2648
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:49,440
Speaker 4: against the United States bases around the world, but the Israel,

2649
02:36:49,560 --> 02:36:52,880
Speaker 4: which is which they have already done, and we'll do

2650
02:36:53,000 --> 02:36:56,920
Speaker 4: it again. I don't have any doubt that the CIA

2651
02:36:57,200 --> 02:37:01,279
Speaker 4: and the Mossad, which is the Israeli form of the CIA,

2652
02:37:02,120 --> 02:37:07,160
Speaker 4: have fomented some of the services that we're seeing in

2653
02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:11,600
Speaker 4: Iran right now. You know, Trump is trying to retaliate

2654
02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:14,840
Speaker 4: by saying that he's going to anybody that does business

2655
02:37:14,959 --> 02:37:19,760
Speaker 4: with Iran subject to a twenty five percent tariff. Again

2656
02:37:20,400 --> 02:37:23,240
Speaker 4: not thinking about the Plan B because two of their

2657
02:37:23,400 --> 02:37:28,760
Speaker 4: greatest trade partners are China and Russia, who he's got

2658
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:32,280
Speaker 4: issues with as well. And don't be surprised if he

2659
02:37:32,440 --> 02:37:35,480
Speaker 4: stabs Putin in the back. But that's another discussion. So

2660
02:37:36,400 --> 02:37:41,000
Speaker 4: Israel has long wanted to dominate the you know that

2661
02:37:41,320 --> 02:37:47,360
Speaker 4: part of northeastern Africa. We've seen Syria fall, We've seen

2662
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:52,800
Speaker 4: a rock fall, Jordan is kyletow, Egypt has a treaty,

2663
02:37:53,320 --> 02:37:55,840
Speaker 4: and Lebanon is just a mess. And they want to

2664
02:37:55,879 --> 02:37:59,280
Speaker 4: be the dominant force in that region. And the last

2665
02:37:59,400 --> 02:38:03,879
Speaker 4: remaining that could stand up to Israel, of course, is Iran.

2666
02:38:04,160 --> 02:38:06,320
Speaker 4: So we'll have to wait and see what happens.

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Speaker 1: What do you read into Israel recognizing Somaliland and all

2668
02:38:11,320 --> 02:38:13,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know what.

2669
02:38:13,760 --> 02:38:17,879
Speaker 4: That's all about, you know, it's you know, I think

2670
02:38:17,959 --> 02:38:22,640
Speaker 4: that I think that Israel wants a foothold in an

2671
02:38:22,760 --> 02:38:27,680
Speaker 4: oil producing country in that region because it has to

2672
02:38:27,840 --> 02:38:31,480
Speaker 4: import so much of its oil and things like that.

2673
02:38:32,240 --> 02:38:35,800
Speaker 4: But Somaliland, I mean, I don't know who would why

2674
02:38:35,959 --> 02:38:39,480
Speaker 4: they did that. Uh, there's still things that there's usual

2675
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:41,920
Speaker 4: things beneath the service. And when they did that a

2676
02:38:42,480 --> 02:38:45,560
Speaker 4: week or two ago, I said, what is that all about?

2677
02:38:46,120 --> 02:38:47,680
Speaker 6: Not sure? Just not sure.

2678
02:38:48,640 --> 02:38:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, at twenty three at the topic, you mentioned oil.

2679
02:38:51,280 --> 02:38:52,920
Speaker 1: It's oil, and I got some folks want to tell you,

2680
02:38:52,959 --> 02:38:55,360
Speaker 1: but I got to ask this question that doctor Weber,

2681
02:38:55,800 --> 02:38:58,600
Speaker 1: is oil the real reason why Maduro was adopted? And

2682
02:38:58,680 --> 02:39:00,520
Speaker 1: it seems I saw they wanted they wanted get Mador

2683
02:39:00,600 --> 02:39:03,080
Speaker 1: out there and go after the oil. How do you

2684
02:39:03,200 --> 02:39:05,080
Speaker 1: see that what took place there?

2685
02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:09,520
Speaker 4: Well, well, there's this article in Foreign Affairs that says

2686
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:15,920
Speaker 4: that Putin, when Putin came to Alaska last summer, that

2687
02:39:16,080 --> 02:39:21,000
Speaker 4: they made a deal to look, we want we'll get

2688
02:39:21,080 --> 02:39:22,720
Speaker 4: out of Venezuela.

2689
02:39:22,320 --> 02:39:23,840
Speaker 6: That you have the oil.

2690
02:39:25,240 --> 02:39:27,960
Speaker 4: Donald if you let us do what we need to

2691
02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:31,600
Speaker 4: do over in Ukraine. Now I don't know if that's

2692
02:39:31,640 --> 02:39:33,880
Speaker 4: true or not, but there's a lot of people saying

2693
02:39:33,920 --> 02:39:40,640
Speaker 4: that this is really a deal between Putin, that Venezuela

2694
02:39:40,840 --> 02:39:46,040
Speaker 4: was just kind of a pawn between Putin and Trump,

2695
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:51,400
Speaker 4: you know right now, you know, Trump has always been

2696
02:39:51,480 --> 02:39:56,080
Speaker 4: cool on protecting Ukraine against Russian invasion, and right now

2697
02:39:57,040 --> 02:40:02,200
Speaker 4: Trump did the same thing to Venezuela as Putin did

2698
02:40:03,240 --> 02:40:06,920
Speaker 4: see Ukraine. So I mean, you know, it's hip, you know,

2699
02:40:07,040 --> 02:40:10,240
Speaker 4: hypocritical to start talking about don't invade a country because

2700
02:40:10,280 --> 02:40:13,640
Speaker 4: he just did it, and uh and and don't be so.

2701
02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:17,000
Speaker 4: I don't think it's just about the oil. I think

2702
02:40:17,040 --> 02:40:20,760
Speaker 4: it's some geopolitics going on between the United States and

2703
02:40:20,959 --> 02:40:25,840
Speaker 4: Russia with regards to Ukraine, Venezuela, and the United States.

2704
02:40:26,720 --> 02:40:29,640
Speaker 1: And China just sitting on the sidelines watching this take place.

2705
02:40:29,840 --> 02:40:31,640
Speaker 1: Are they going to go after Taiwan now that.

2706
02:40:33,280 --> 02:40:38,800
Speaker 4: You know it's just a matter of win? And I

2707
02:40:38,879 --> 02:40:43,160
Speaker 4: don't think Trump and Trump is very cool on protecting

2708
02:40:43,879 --> 02:40:47,720
Speaker 4: Taiwan against it. The biggest interest that we have in

2709
02:40:47,879 --> 02:40:51,000
Speaker 4: Taiwan a court, is the chips that they made for

2710
02:40:51,200 --> 02:40:55,560
Speaker 4: so many computers and other things. But you know, I

2711
02:40:55,680 --> 02:40:59,960
Speaker 4: think it's China invaded uh Taiwan right now. The United

2712
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:03,400
Speaker 4: his things would do virtually nothing. I think that Trump

2713
02:41:03,440 --> 02:41:05,960
Speaker 4: wouldn't like it, but I don't think he's going to

2714
02:41:06,040 --> 02:41:07,119
Speaker 4: come to their defense.

2715
02:41:08,040 --> 02:41:09,840
Speaker 1: So why is he getting involved in what's going on

2716
02:41:09,920 --> 02:41:12,560
Speaker 1: in Iran? He's four men and says if anybody dies

2717
02:41:12,600 --> 02:41:14,920
Speaker 1: in Iran and then the protest the United States, he's

2718
02:41:14,959 --> 02:41:17,480
Speaker 1: going to step in. Is he stoking the fire there

2719
02:41:17,800 --> 02:41:21,480
Speaker 1: or is he trying to get around It's just upset.

2720
02:41:21,800 --> 02:41:22,520
Speaker 1: How do you read that.

2721
02:41:24,000 --> 02:41:27,040
Speaker 4: Foreign policy in the Middle East is determined by Israel.

2722
02:41:27,160 --> 02:41:32,119
Speaker 4: He's just doing what Israel wants him to do. He's

2723
02:41:32,200 --> 02:41:35,880
Speaker 4: afraid not to do that for fear that you know,

2724
02:41:36,320 --> 02:41:39,960
Speaker 4: Israeli's here in the United States will be you know,

2725
02:41:40,720 --> 02:41:46,840
Speaker 4: pissed off. Then you know, American policy towards Iran is

2726
02:41:46,959 --> 02:41:55,160
Speaker 4: identical to Israel's policy towards Iran. Benjamin Yahoo, who's an

2727
02:41:55,320 --> 02:42:01,320
Speaker 4: international criminal, you know, he is itching to destroyed Iran,

2728
02:42:01,840 --> 02:42:06,000
Speaker 4: to dominate what he you know, to implement what he

2729
02:42:06,200 --> 02:42:11,680
Speaker 4: called greater Israel. And if they can control uh Iran,

2730
02:42:12,959 --> 02:42:17,480
Speaker 4: you know, destroy their nuclear facilities, which apparently they didn't

2731
02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:22,480
Speaker 4: last year when they made that missile attack on him,

2732
02:42:23,000 --> 02:42:27,080
Speaker 4: he'd be happy about that. So it's really policy towards

2733
02:42:27,200 --> 02:42:30,480
Speaker 4: Iran is the same as the United States policy towards Iran.

2734
02:42:31,600 --> 02:42:33,720
Speaker 1: Got you twenty eight at the top. Now, Mike's calling

2735
02:42:33,800 --> 02:42:36,080
Speaker 1: us from DC's online for a grand rise in Mike

2736
02:42:36,120 --> 02:42:37,640
Speaker 1: here on with doctor Wimbush.

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02:42:38,959 --> 02:42:39,480
Speaker 6: Grand rise.

2738
02:42:39,720 --> 02:42:42,680
Speaker 9: Mister Nelson's to take him a call, and mister Kevin

2739
02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:47,080
Speaker 9: and doctor from Morgan. I was listening to the previous

2740
02:42:47,120 --> 02:42:52,080
Speaker 9: call about two callers back talking about the unification of Africa.

2741
02:42:52,120 --> 02:42:56,320
Speaker 9: I've been to Tunisia, al Jerry of Morocco and Gibaltar

2742
02:42:56,800 --> 02:42:58,800
Speaker 9: and just speaking to the people that just recently speaking

2743
02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:02,199
Speaker 9: of people there, that people from Africa is like you Americans.

2744
02:43:02,600 --> 02:43:06,000
Speaker 9: You Americans were about racism so much tri tribalism, and

2745
02:43:06,080 --> 02:43:08,360
Speaker 9: I have to think about that, being historian and teach

2746
02:43:08,440 --> 02:43:10,720
Speaker 9: and stuff like that. She's absolutely because we look at

2747
02:43:10,720 --> 02:43:12,800
Speaker 9: what's going on in Iran and Iraq and all the

2748
02:43:12,959 --> 02:43:15,720
Speaker 9: other countries. The tribes and they are all the people

2749
02:43:15,760 --> 02:43:18,960
Speaker 9: the same color and they can't get along. And Africa

2750
02:43:19,280 --> 02:43:22,640
Speaker 9: the richest continent and the world natural resources, they will

2751
02:43:22,720 --> 02:43:25,880
Speaker 9: not divvy up the money and the wealth and stuff

2752
02:43:25,920 --> 02:43:28,640
Speaker 9: to help each other out, and they bring foreigners in

2753
02:43:28,800 --> 02:43:31,400
Speaker 9: from other parts of the world to control that and

2754
02:43:31,560 --> 02:43:35,000
Speaker 9: sell out the people. I don't understand that, I really don't.

2755
02:43:35,000 --> 02:43:38,000
Speaker 9: It's a mentality that we have. So you know, I

2756
02:43:38,040 --> 02:43:40,320
Speaker 9: don't understand the mensum what the nativity and wait for

2757
02:43:40,400 --> 02:43:44,040
Speaker 9: Americans to come back. But in reality, a lot of

2758
02:43:44,120 --> 02:43:46,240
Speaker 9: them don't accept us and we don't accept them either.

2759
02:43:46,800 --> 02:43:49,840
Speaker 9: So you know, tribalism is really a big thing. So

2760
02:43:50,320 --> 02:43:51,119
Speaker 9: thank you very much.

2761
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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Mike. And I know you were

2762
02:43:53,800 --> 02:43:55,520
Speaker 1: chomping at the bit to respond to that. He's been

2763
02:43:55,520 --> 02:43:57,520
Speaker 1: to northern Africa. He has been to it hasn't been

2764
02:43:57,520 --> 02:44:00,360
Speaker 1: to all of Africa, but he's formulated opinion on all

2765
02:44:00,400 --> 02:44:03,560
Speaker 1: of Africa. But you can respond to him, doctor Wimbush, Well.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, dude, yeah, I was waiting for them to say,

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Speaker 4: like Tanzania or Ghana, maybe Nigeria and there is trivelism

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Speaker 4: and look, there's tribalism all over, were there tribalism? Are

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Speaker 4: black Americas? Okay? But you know the idea, you know,

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Speaker 4: the borders. Malavia Sande Temple University has said, you know,

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Speaker 4: until you know Africans get rid of those, you know,

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Speaker 4: borders that were set back at the Berlin Conference in

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Speaker 4: the eighteen hundred late eighteen hundreds, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, we've got to get back to and get rid

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Speaker 6: of some.

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02:44:41,600 --> 02:44:45,480
Speaker 4: Of those borders. Much of that tribalism was caused by

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Speaker 4: the European invasion of Africa that took place over the

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02:44:49,320 --> 02:44:53,959
Speaker 4: past four or five hundred years. So again the analogis

2779
02:44:54,080 --> 02:44:57,200
Speaker 4: has to go deeper than just where there's tribalism. Why

2780
02:44:57,320 --> 02:45:01,960
Speaker 4: is their tribalism? Because the invasions from the north from

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02:45:02,480 --> 02:45:07,360
Speaker 4: Arab nations as well as the European colonization that took

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Speaker 4: place over two or three century.

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Speaker 1: Got you thirty minutes, I have the top of the family.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for rolling with us on this Tuesday morning with

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02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:19,000
Speaker 1: our guest doctor Ray Wembusch from Morgan State University. Fred's

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02:45:19,040 --> 02:45:21,800
Speaker 1: call us from Bowie. He's online three Grand Rising. Fred.

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Speaker 1: Your question or your comment for doctor Ray Wimbush.

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Speaker 19: Yes, Grand Rising call and also to Kevin and Grand Writers.

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02:45:29,879 --> 02:45:34,000
Speaker 19: To you doctor Wimbush. Basically, I'm kind of like I

2790
02:45:34,120 --> 02:45:39,120
Speaker 19: see all the retribution when when he got into the

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02:45:39,160 --> 02:45:44,360
Speaker 19: White House against Letitia James. James call me and Smith.

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02:45:45,280 --> 02:45:49,200
Speaker 19: But my question is always in my head. Do you

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02:45:49,520 --> 02:45:53,440
Speaker 19: think if Marill Garland would have done his job from

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02:45:53,520 --> 02:45:56,520
Speaker 19: the beginning, we would not have been here right now

2795
02:45:56,840 --> 02:46:01,760
Speaker 19: and then moving forward. And I guess I could used

2796
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:04,080
Speaker 19: to worry. We I don't want to used to wear democrats.

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02:46:04,400 --> 02:46:06,800
Speaker 19: I am a Democrat, But what can we do move

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02:46:06,879 --> 02:46:11,920
Speaker 19: forward to some kind of way stifle out people such

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Speaker 19: as a Marion Garland, people that's willing to do what

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Speaker 19: is constitutionally right without having to do what Marion Garland

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02:46:22,400 --> 02:46:25,640
Speaker 19: have done, And that was to kind of slow the process.

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Speaker 19: Or maybe I got it wrong. Maybe the process was slow,

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02:46:30,959 --> 02:46:33,560
Speaker 19: but I just wondered could he have moved faster?

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Speaker 4: That's my comment.

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02:46:35,000 --> 02:46:36,320
Speaker 9: Oh and I'm sorry for going back.

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02:46:36,560 --> 02:46:37,600
Speaker 16: We can't change time.

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Speaker 19: I understand that.

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02:46:40,200 --> 02:46:43,360
Speaker 4: No, no, brother, you are absolutely correct. I was so

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02:46:43,560 --> 02:46:47,800
Speaker 4: frustrated with Mary Garland as Attorney General, you know, and

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02:46:49,440 --> 02:46:52,199
Speaker 4: I'm for you know, kind of glad now that maybe

2811
02:46:52,240 --> 02:46:55,440
Speaker 4: he should have never been a Supreme Court justice even

2812
02:46:55,440 --> 02:47:00,440
Speaker 4: though Obama nominated. Look, Mary Garland should have indicted Trump

2813
02:47:00,680 --> 02:47:05,120
Speaker 4: within two months, not two years, but two months when

2814
02:47:05,160 --> 02:47:08,480
Speaker 4: he got an office when Biden appointed.

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02:47:08,080 --> 02:47:09,200
Speaker 6: On, and he didn't do it.

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02:47:09,320 --> 02:47:12,279
Speaker 4: He just dragged his feet. I mean, there were rumors

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02:47:12,320 --> 02:47:15,560
Speaker 4: around the hill in DC that Mayor Garland was a

2818
02:47:15,640 --> 02:47:18,920
Speaker 4: secret Republican the way he was taking so long to

2819
02:47:19,120 --> 02:47:27,520
Speaker 4: bring charges against the January sixth insurrectionists and just everything else.

2820
02:47:27,640 --> 02:47:30,360
Speaker 4: So you know, I don't frankly, I never had any

2821
02:47:30,480 --> 02:47:34,800
Speaker 4: respect for Mary Garland. I just did because of his uh,

2822
02:47:35,959 --> 02:47:41,600
Speaker 4: just like passive attitude towards you know, what Trump did

2823
02:47:41,720 --> 02:47:43,199
Speaker 4: on January sixth.

2824
02:47:43,240 --> 02:47:47,560
Speaker 6: And even before that. You know, it just I don't know,

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02:47:47,720 --> 02:47:48,400
Speaker 6: I just have no.

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02:47:48,520 --> 02:47:52,120
Speaker 4: Respect from whatsoever. So you're absolutely correct. I think I

2827
02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:55,640
Speaker 4: think that, you know, you, as a Democrat, you have

2828
02:47:55,879 --> 02:48:00,080
Speaker 4: to you know, agitate your elected officials right now. The

2829
02:48:00,400 --> 02:48:04,120
Speaker 4: Democrats they're not in it as much through as disarrayed

2830
02:48:04,240 --> 02:48:08,440
Speaker 4: they were a year ago, but it's primarily because of

2831
02:48:08,560 --> 02:48:11,520
Speaker 4: the you know, the mistakes and the errors and the

2832
02:48:11,879 --> 02:48:16,720
Speaker 4: stupidity of the Trump administration. And they need some you know,

2833
02:48:16,879 --> 02:48:18,040
Speaker 4: leadership right now.

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Speaker 14: You know.

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02:48:19,240 --> 02:48:22,840
Speaker 4: You know, I've heard rumors that Wes Moore here, uh

2836
02:48:23,160 --> 02:48:26,400
Speaker 4: is their you know, anointed one, as well as Gavin

2837
02:48:26,520 --> 02:48:31,480
Speaker 4: Newsome out in California. You know, I don't know, but

2838
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:35,080
Speaker 4: the Democrats have a lot to get. They need to,

2839
02:48:35,320 --> 02:48:41,200
Speaker 4: you know, start listening to the more leftist, rightist wing

2840
02:48:42,080 --> 02:48:45,360
Speaker 4: of that party, you know, like the new mayor of

2841
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:49,000
Speaker 4: New York rather than some of these old guards that

2842
02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:52,720
Speaker 4: to me, just don't do anything instead.

2843
02:48:53,720 --> 02:48:54,400
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you.

2844
02:48:56,160 --> 02:48:58,400
Speaker 1: Here and you doctor Weber. It's going to be the

2845
02:48:58,480 --> 02:49:00,560
Speaker 1: merit Gland underestimated Donald Trump.

2846
02:49:02,360 --> 02:49:05,240
Speaker 4: Well, if he did, he's the dumbest attorney general we

2847
02:49:05,400 --> 02:49:09,000
Speaker 4: ever had, because everybody knew what Donald Trump was all about.

2848
02:49:09,800 --> 02:49:12,320
Speaker 4: I just don't understand why he took so long to

2849
02:49:12,920 --> 02:49:17,680
Speaker 4: bring you know, a point of Jack Smith and others,

2850
02:49:17,920 --> 02:49:21,640
Speaker 4: you know, to investigate this guy. I just don't understand it,

2851
02:49:22,360 --> 02:49:25,800
Speaker 4: you know. Uh, you know, I just think he was

2852
02:49:26,040 --> 02:49:30,840
Speaker 4: very conservative, and he's probably those more conservative moderate so

2853
02:49:31,040 --> 02:49:32,080
Speaker 4: called Democrats.

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02:49:33,080 --> 02:49:35,879
Speaker 1: I think he probably was caught off guard. I think

2855
02:49:35,959 --> 02:49:39,200
Speaker 1: he probably did. He did under estimate Donald Trump, because

2856
02:49:39,720 --> 02:49:42,000
Speaker 1: many people in America are still to this day under

2857
02:49:42,240 --> 02:49:44,920
Speaker 1: estimate Donald Trump what he's done. They can't believe it.

2858
02:49:45,120 --> 02:49:47,640
Speaker 1: And I think, Merrick Donald, He's not gonna do that.

2859
02:49:47,959 --> 02:49:50,440
Speaker 1: He's not gonna do. You know, the preview is not

2860
02:49:50,480 --> 02:49:54,080
Speaker 1: gonna side. It was probably in that aisle, uh doctor,

2861
02:49:54,640 --> 02:49:59,880
Speaker 1: That's my thought. Incompetent, yes, but also uh to conservative,

2862
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:02,120
Speaker 1: but for his role, he should have been more aggressive

2863
02:50:02,160 --> 02:50:05,360
Speaker 1: and going after after all he did wrong, you know,

2864
02:50:05,520 --> 02:50:09,440
Speaker 1: but because you know, he's just he's just he's probably

2865
02:50:09,480 --> 02:50:11,560
Speaker 1: blowing his mind now with what Donald Trump has done.

2866
02:50:11,959 --> 02:50:13,480
Speaker 1: Having said that, though it takes a more calls for

2867
02:50:13,520 --> 02:50:15,480
Speaker 1: you had eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

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02:50:15,560 --> 02:50:17,720
Speaker 1: eight seventy six to twenty five minutes away from the

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02:50:17,760 --> 02:50:20,520
Speaker 1: top there, Alex, just call us from Alexandra, Alex your

2870
02:50:20,600 --> 02:50:22,000
Speaker 1: question of your cont for doctor wing.

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Speaker 9: Bush, my question to uh Gray Wing Bush shoes. Uh

2872
02:50:29,680 --> 02:50:31,760
Speaker 9: he made the statement of white people.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 9: President Trump statement was that white people were mistreated during

2875
02:50:38,240 --> 02:50:43,760
Speaker 9: the Civil Rights u And I can conclude with that, Well,

2876
02:50:43,800 --> 02:50:48,280
Speaker 9: maybe you can help me. But didn't President Kenny get

2877
02:50:48,520 --> 02:50:52,360
Speaker 9: President Kenny, do you get killed on the Civil rights

2878
02:50:52,520 --> 02:50:53,400
Speaker 9: or was he killed for that?

2879
02:50:55,800 --> 02:50:56,000
Speaker 4: Wait?

2880
02:50:56,160 --> 02:50:58,240
Speaker 6: I mean here's the other last part.

2881
02:50:59,480 --> 02:51:01,080
Speaker 4: Didn't kill Did he get killed for what?

2882
02:51:02,840 --> 02:51:04,520
Speaker 9: For the Civil Rights era?

2883
02:51:06,520 --> 02:51:09,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was killed as you were in nineteen sixty three, Ray,

2884
02:51:11,560 --> 02:51:12,400
Speaker 4: But I mean you know.

2885
02:51:13,240 --> 02:51:18,160
Speaker 9: Go ahead, Okay. So with that being said, we can

2886
02:51:18,280 --> 02:51:21,280
Speaker 9: even put Lincoln in there too, and other whites that

2887
02:51:21,480 --> 02:51:24,880
Speaker 9: were helping black people to succeed.

2888
02:51:26,000 --> 02:51:29,480
Speaker 1: So, oh, Alex, I think the question that doctor Wembush

2889
02:51:29,520 --> 02:51:31,640
Speaker 1: he said that was he killed? It was was Candy

2890
02:51:31,760 --> 02:51:34,200
Speaker 1: killed because of the Civil Rights Era? I think I

2891
02:51:34,200 --> 02:51:38,040
Speaker 1: didn't think you heard the of course I'm saying, yeah, yeah,

2892
02:51:38,320 --> 02:51:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't think doctor Wmbers heard that part. But go ahead,

2893
02:51:40,360 --> 02:51:43,200
Speaker 1: doctor embush. Do you think Kennedy was at me, was

2894
02:51:43,879 --> 02:51:45,760
Speaker 1: assassinated because of the civil rights.

2895
02:51:47,320 --> 02:51:51,119
Speaker 4: I don't know, because you know, I think that Kennedy

2896
02:51:51,360 --> 02:51:51,800
Speaker 4: was killed.

2897
02:51:51,840 --> 02:51:53,840
Speaker 6: I mean, I remember that I was old enough.

2898
02:51:53,680 --> 02:51:56,080
Speaker 4: To remember when he was killed. And I think that

2899
02:51:56,240 --> 02:51:59,480
Speaker 4: there's been like this myth that he was like a

2900
02:51:59,600 --> 02:52:04,760
Speaker 4: cruise for civil rights. He wasn't. Johnson did for other reasons,

2901
02:52:05,120 --> 02:52:09,240
Speaker 4: but Robert Kennedy he did not protect. Uh. They saw

2902
02:52:09,480 --> 02:52:14,000
Speaker 4: King and many of the civil rights workers as being

2903
02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:17,879
Speaker 4: nuisances during that period, and it has been well documented.

2904
02:52:18,560 --> 02:52:22,000
Speaker 4: I think that Kennedy felt annoyed by much of what

2905
02:52:22,200 --> 02:52:25,480
Speaker 4: the civil rights movement was doing. I don't think that

2906
02:52:25,600 --> 02:52:29,120
Speaker 4: somebody said, well, we got to kill him because uh,

2907
02:52:29,320 --> 02:52:30,279
Speaker 4: and we still don't.

2908
02:52:30,160 --> 02:52:30,960
Speaker 6: Know who killed him.

2909
02:52:31,000 --> 02:52:32,280
Speaker 4: I mean, people say Lee rv.

2910
02:52:32,440 --> 02:52:34,640
Speaker 6: Oswald, but we're not sure about that.

2911
02:52:35,320 --> 02:52:38,680
Speaker 4: And I think that, you know, there's a lot of

2912
02:52:38,840 --> 02:52:43,200
Speaker 4: myth about the Kennedy brothers, you know, and I lived

2913
02:52:43,280 --> 02:52:46,520
Speaker 4: during that period and remember it well, and you know,

2914
02:52:46,640 --> 02:52:49,400
Speaker 4: the idea that he was a crusader for civil rights

2915
02:52:49,560 --> 02:52:51,000
Speaker 4: just was not true.

2916
02:52:51,959 --> 02:52:53,640
Speaker 1: Right and that thought right now, I'll let you finish all.

2917
02:52:53,879 --> 02:52:55,520
Speaker 1: I know you have a follow up questions, stay with us.

2918
02:52:55,520 --> 02:52:58,600
Speaker 1: And also we can't leave that point with that pointing

2919
02:52:58,640 --> 02:53:03,280
Speaker 1: out that uh JFK directed his brother RFK to you know,

2920
02:53:03,760 --> 02:53:08,280
Speaker 1: to go after that doctor King and the whole contempor

2921
02:53:08,400 --> 02:53:10,760
Speaker 1: with Jed Hoover. We can't leave that out. That's part

2922
02:53:10,800 --> 02:53:13,040
Speaker 1: of our history. Family. Twenty two minutes away from the

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02:53:13,040 --> 02:53:14,840
Speaker 1: top dow. Anyway, we gotta take our last break. We'll

2924
02:53:14,840 --> 02:53:17,080
Speaker 1: come back Alex as a follow up question for doctor Wimbush.

2925
02:53:17,280 --> 02:53:19,400
Speaker 1: You two could get in on this conversation. Reach out

2926
02:53:19,440 --> 02:53:21,160
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred and four or five zero

2927
02:53:21,720 --> 02:53:24,440
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. We'll take your phone calls next

2928
02:53:24,800 --> 02:53:27,040
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks to staying with us on

2929
02:53:27,120 --> 02:53:29,520
Speaker 1: this Tuesday morning with our guest, doctor Ray Wimbush from

2930
02:53:29,760 --> 02:53:32,880
Speaker 1: Morgan State University. Before we left, oh say that Alex

2931
02:53:32,959 --> 02:53:34,800
Speaker 1: is hung up. But we're discussing a whole bunch of

2932
02:53:34,840 --> 02:53:37,320
Speaker 1: stuff with doctor Wimbush. But Quibana is calling from dc

2933
02:53:37,879 --> 02:53:41,400
Speaker 1: IS online. Three Grand Rising, Quibana, you're on with doctor Wimbush.

2934
02:53:42,520 --> 02:53:47,200
Speaker 14: Rising Brother Crasy, Doctor Wimbush in the radio one listening audience. Oh,

2935
02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:51,959
Speaker 14: perfect to follow up because I'm the anti Alex as

2936
02:53:52,040 --> 02:53:55,920
Speaker 14: you well know, dtr wim Bush and Carl knows this

2937
02:53:56,120 --> 02:54:00,040
Speaker 14: that Alex, he's black maga, always ready to do to

2938
02:54:00,680 --> 02:54:04,800
Speaker 14: defend Trump. And I'm sure the short answer is Kennedy

2939
02:54:05,040 --> 02:54:09,240
Speaker 14: wasn't killed because of those civil rights and as you said,

2940
02:54:10,040 --> 02:54:11,840
Speaker 14: him and his brother, Robert F.

2941
02:54:11,959 --> 02:54:13,080
Speaker 6: Kennedy weren't really.

2942
02:54:13,920 --> 02:54:18,120
Speaker 14: You know, into fighting for civil rights really. But when

2943
02:54:18,200 --> 02:54:21,880
Speaker 14: you agree, dtor wm Bush, there was other issues, certainly

2944
02:54:22,000 --> 02:54:27,240
Speaker 14: not civil rights. Cube of Vietnam refreshed my memory on

2945
02:54:27,440 --> 02:54:32,200
Speaker 14: some of the other issues on why or possibly was

2946
02:54:32,680 --> 02:54:36,840
Speaker 14: JFK murdered, But it certainly wasn't civil rights. Just anytime

2947
02:54:37,000 --> 02:54:41,320
Speaker 14: Alex from Alexandria come on and you're on doctor Winbush

2948
02:54:41,440 --> 02:54:44,120
Speaker 14: and Carl, I just would hope you will remind doctor

2949
02:54:44,160 --> 02:54:48,400
Speaker 14: Winbush that Alex is blackmag always ready to defend Trump.

2950
02:54:49,080 --> 02:54:51,920
Speaker 14: Uh so you always got to take that into account

2951
02:54:51,959 --> 02:54:55,119
Speaker 14: when he calls. But give me some reasons on your

2952
02:54:55,160 --> 02:54:58,640
Speaker 14: opinion on why Jfkate was killed and it definitely wasn't

2953
02:54:58,720 --> 02:55:01,640
Speaker 14: civil rights would be would you be in agreement with

2954
02:55:02,000 --> 02:55:03,680
Speaker 14: me on that? No?

2955
02:55:04,200 --> 02:55:09,520
Speaker 4: Definitely, I think that that was the least concern, you know,

2956
02:55:10,320 --> 02:55:13,520
Speaker 4: as Carl said that, you know, co Intel was you know,

2957
02:55:13,760 --> 02:55:19,160
Speaker 4: rising during that period, and the Kennedy brothers really didn't

2958
02:55:19,320 --> 02:55:23,280
Speaker 4: like Doctor King at all if you really dig deep.

2959
02:55:23,640 --> 02:55:28,959
Speaker 4: When the March on Washington occurred in August of sixty three,

2960
02:55:29,840 --> 02:55:34,600
Speaker 4: Kennedy basically told them what kind of signs they should

2961
02:55:34,640 --> 02:55:37,440
Speaker 4: be carrying, and Doctor King coulplied because he thought the

2962
02:55:37,560 --> 02:55:42,240
Speaker 4: march was more important than the sign but they complied,

2963
02:55:42,400 --> 02:55:45,280
Speaker 4: so you know, it was a controlled entry. I mean,

2964
02:55:45,440 --> 02:55:48,600
Speaker 4: Malcolm talked about this a lot in his message to

2965
02:55:48,720 --> 02:55:54,160
Speaker 4: the grass roots about why they you know, you know,

2966
02:55:54,280 --> 02:55:56,360
Speaker 4: the whole what they called the Big.

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02:55:56,400 --> 02:55:57,480
Speaker 6: Five at that time.

2968
02:55:58,160 --> 02:56:02,400
Speaker 4: And so you know, he you know, on the scale

2969
02:56:02,440 --> 02:56:04,520
Speaker 4: of one to ten, i'd probably give him about a

2970
02:56:04,760 --> 02:56:09,840
Speaker 4: four or a five relative to his commitment to civil

2971
02:56:10,000 --> 02:56:13,400
Speaker 4: rights for black vote in this country, even though black

2972
02:56:13,440 --> 02:56:18,920
Speaker 4: people overwhelmingly voted for him in the nineteen sixty election.

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02:56:19,840 --> 02:56:22,879
Speaker 4: But you know, he wasn't a grand champion of civil rights.

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02:56:23,920 --> 02:56:27,119
Speaker 14: So you would agree that, you know, we're gonna definitely

2975
02:56:27,760 --> 02:56:30,600
Speaker 14: put that idea out of that. Well, I ain't gonna

2976
02:56:30,600 --> 02:56:33,039
Speaker 14: say put that idea out of out said because he's

2977
02:56:33,120 --> 02:56:36,720
Speaker 14: black MAGA and he's part of that court. But I

2978
02:56:36,760 --> 02:56:38,600
Speaker 14: would say Trump's message was.

2979
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Speaker 6: More for it today.

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Speaker 14: He would relate this saying that civil rights is hurting

2981
02:56:44,480 --> 02:56:47,800
Speaker 14: white people that he just gott you know, had nothing

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02:56:47,840 --> 02:56:50,400
Speaker 14: to do with his idea of civil rights really back

2983
02:56:50,480 --> 02:56:54,800
Speaker 14: in those days. He's trying to fire up with white men,

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02:56:55,040 --> 02:56:59,040
Speaker 14: especially a feeling today which is really ridiculous to say

2985
02:56:59,120 --> 02:57:02,200
Speaker 14: that the white man of being hurt. You know, my

2986
02:57:02,560 --> 02:57:07,000
Speaker 14: last job, and this has been going on for generations,

2987
02:57:07,280 --> 02:57:10,600
Speaker 14: and black people this works, knows this. You've got jobs

2988
02:57:10,680 --> 02:57:13,520
Speaker 14: you work on, and you got white people bringing in

2989
02:57:13,640 --> 02:57:18,959
Speaker 14: their sons, daughters, relatives, totally unqualified still going on today.

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02:57:19,480 --> 02:57:22,040
Speaker 14: I mean, this is true and you know what I mean,

2991
02:57:22,160 --> 02:57:24,920
Speaker 14: and I've seen it myself and just as broad as

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02:57:25,240 --> 02:57:28,240
Speaker 14: you know, bright as day. And so they just to

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02:57:28,320 --> 02:57:32,160
Speaker 14: say that white people been hurt, uh, you know, because

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02:57:32,200 --> 02:57:34,640
Speaker 14: of civil rights. To me again, it's more as Trump

2995
02:57:34,800 --> 02:57:38,360
Speaker 14: was trying to relate that to fire up today's white people,

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02:57:39,080 --> 02:57:44,480
Speaker 14: and Alex again to get that nonsense. You're talking again, Alex,

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02:57:44,600 --> 02:57:49,760
Speaker 14: But uh, but again, so wasn't the kind of like Cuba,

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02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:53,039
Speaker 14: Vietnam and some of the like, you know, the other

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Speaker 14: reasons that they wanted to kill Kennedy.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, of course, I mean, you know, Kennedy

3001
02:58:00,600 --> 02:58:03,800
Speaker 4: made several attempts to try to kill Castro because remember,

3002
02:58:04,320 --> 02:58:07,840
Speaker 4: you know, Castro came to power in fifty nine and

3003
02:58:08,840 --> 02:58:11,640
Speaker 4: that was the whole purpose of the Bay and Pigs invasion.

3004
02:58:12,200 --> 02:58:14,080
Speaker 4: And so, I mean, you know, I don't know if

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02:58:14,120 --> 02:58:17,320
Speaker 4: we'll ever find out who shot John F. Kennedy, but

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02:58:17,520 --> 02:58:22,959
Speaker 4: I know that it was not Lee Harvey Oswald shooting

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02:58:23,040 --> 02:58:26,360
Speaker 4: somebody at what thirty miles an hour and was a

3008
02:58:26,520 --> 02:58:28,640
Speaker 4: poor shot when he was in the Marines in the

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Speaker 4: first place.

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Speaker 1: So I you know, I never believed that, well that

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02:58:35,560 --> 02:58:41,000
Speaker 1: got killed back ty doc all right, interesting, somebody tweeted

3012
02:58:41,080 --> 02:58:43,880
Speaker 1: called into the station that Dr Wimberch and said Kennedy

3013
02:58:44,160 --> 02:58:46,480
Speaker 1: wanted to stop the Federal Reserve. That's what got him killed.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on that, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know anything about that, but I know at that

3016
02:58:52,160 --> 02:58:55,240
Speaker 4: time that there was a lot of debate. I was young,

3017
02:58:55,360 --> 02:58:57,680
Speaker 4: but I remember there was a lot of debate about

3018
02:58:57,720 --> 02:59:01,400
Speaker 4: the power of the settlers Reserve at that time.

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Speaker 6: And uh, and it could have been I mean, I mean.

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Speaker 4: There's people who have speculated to the CIA killed on

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02:59:09,920 --> 02:59:13,360
Speaker 4: that the Bapia had them killed. You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure.

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02:59:15,640 --> 02:59:17,960
Speaker 1: But it's what's interesting because the personal calling to the

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Speaker 1: station that said that the federal reserve got him killed.

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02:59:20,360 --> 02:59:22,680
Speaker 1: Who wanted to stop the federal reserve? Talking about today's

3026
02:59:22,680 --> 02:59:27,280
Speaker 1: federal reserve? The central bankers are getting behind your own paler?

3027
02:59:27,440 --> 02:59:30,119
Speaker 1: Can you speak to that? Why does it Why does

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02:59:30,160 --> 02:59:32,280
Speaker 1: the Trump want to remove your own paler? Because he

3029
02:59:32,440 --> 02:59:33,520
Speaker 1: hired him in the first place.

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Speaker 4: We hired him in the first place. And the other

3031
02:59:36,320 --> 02:59:38,880
Speaker 4: thing is this term is over in May in the

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02:59:39,200 --> 02:59:43,720
Speaker 4: in the first place. And secondly, if you raise uh,

3033
02:59:44,400 --> 02:59:48,800
Speaker 4: you know, or lower interest rates during an inflationary time,

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02:59:49,280 --> 02:59:53,280
Speaker 4: it just it'll kill the stock market. And it's interesting

3035
02:59:53,360 --> 02:59:57,959
Speaker 4: that those people that signed those national bankers to sign

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02:59:58,040 --> 03:00:00,720
Speaker 4: that are not only from this country, but from all

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Speaker 4: over the world. They know that it'll destabilize the entire

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03:00:05,000 --> 03:00:07,959
Speaker 4: economy of the world if he lower the interest rates

3039
03:00:08,040 --> 03:00:14,040
Speaker 4: and if the government and politics control the Federal Reserve.

3040
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's the end of the American economy.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's getting close ten away from the top down

3042
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Speaker 1: stands calling us from Chicago. He's online too, Grand rising Standio.

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Speaker 20: I'm a doctor Wimbush, Yes, Grand Rising, Carl Grand Rising,

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Speaker 20: Professor Winbush, thank you, gentlemen for everything you've gone into

3045
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Speaker 20: in this conversation. It's obvious we're living in a moment

3046
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Speaker 20: of real uncertainty, a lot of political tension and climate stress.

3047
03:00:40,040 --> 03:00:44,360
Speaker 20: What can you know we do just individually or as

3048
03:00:44,440 --> 03:00:50,280
Speaker 20: communities for calm, nonviolent emergency management perspective response, like just

3049
03:00:50,320 --> 03:00:53,480
Speaker 20: getting prepared over the next thirty days, so you know,

3050
03:00:53,640 --> 03:00:57,560
Speaker 20: we can be more reactive or not reactive, but more strategic,

3051
03:00:57,840 --> 03:00:59,480
Speaker 20: not reactive to what's going on.

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Speaker 7: Just my what bursa, sire?

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you something. Brothers, you have a.

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Speaker 6: Passport, yes, sir?

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03:01:07,840 --> 03:01:08,080
Speaker 4: Good?

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03:01:08,879 --> 03:01:11,960
Speaker 6: Or do all members of your family have a passport?

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Speaker 6: And the people that you interact with? Yes, sir.

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Speaker 9: I can't speak for everyone that I interact with, but

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Speaker 9: I see where you're going.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it's important. You know, like

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Speaker 4: if you were on a little island, okay, like you

3062
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Speaker 4: live in Chicago, If you if Chicago is the only

3063
03:01:29,440 --> 03:01:32,160
Speaker 4: place you could go, you would say, I got to

3064
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Speaker 4: get out of this place. I think that, you know,

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Speaker 4: black folk oftentimes see the United States as a big place,

3066
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Speaker 4: but you know, times like these it's a very small

3067
03:01:45,040 --> 03:01:48,760
Speaker 4: place right now, and you can be hunted down you

3068
03:01:49,240 --> 03:01:52,520
Speaker 4: have no plan of escape. I live six hours drive

3069
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Speaker 4: from Canada. I can get there quickly with a passport.

3070
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Speaker 4: And I think that that's very important for us to

3071
03:02:00,120 --> 03:02:04,320
Speaker 4: be able to leave this country if necessary in a

3072
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Speaker 4: time of emergency.

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Speaker 6: I didn't say stay out of.

3074
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Speaker 4: The country, but at least be able to leave, and

3075
03:02:10,200 --> 03:02:11,840
Speaker 4: many of us are able.

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Speaker 6: To do that.

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Speaker 4: The second thing is to have a plan of communication

3078
03:02:15,959 --> 03:02:19,720
Speaker 4: in your community, among your family. If something goes down

3079
03:02:19,800 --> 03:02:24,040
Speaker 4: that is really, really bad, the first thing you should

3080
03:02:24,080 --> 03:02:26,440
Speaker 4: be able to do is communicate with every member of

3081
03:02:26,520 --> 03:02:27,480
Speaker 4: your family.

3082
03:02:27,440 --> 03:02:30,480
Speaker 6: So that you can gather in a place that all

3083
03:02:30,600 --> 03:02:31,440
Speaker 6: of you agree with.

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03:02:32,440 --> 03:02:35,080
Speaker 4: And there's other things that you can do in terms

3085
03:02:35,120 --> 03:02:39,120
Speaker 4: of like keeping aware of what's going on in the world.

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03:02:39,400 --> 03:02:42,279
Speaker 4: I'm still amazing how many black folks that I don't.

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03:02:42,120 --> 03:02:42,880
Speaker 6: Look at the news.

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Speaker 4: I don't. You know, you have to look at it

3089
03:02:44,680 --> 03:02:45,480
Speaker 4: all the time.

3090
03:02:45,640 --> 03:02:47,720
Speaker 6: But you should check in at least once a day

3091
03:02:47,800 --> 03:02:48,080
Speaker 6: on it.

3092
03:02:48,200 --> 03:02:50,720
Speaker 4: To make sure that you understand what's going on in

3093
03:02:50,840 --> 03:02:51,760
Speaker 4: the world right now.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, right, And that's that's so true, docuenters. Because

3095
03:02:59,280 --> 03:03:01,119
Speaker 1: things are moving so fast, you never know what will

3096
03:03:01,120 --> 03:03:04,039
Speaker 1: happen from one day to the next, and you at

3097
03:03:04,160 --> 03:03:06,920
Speaker 1: least having a bug out bag, have some water, some

3098
03:03:07,160 --> 03:03:11,640
Speaker 1: cash in hand, and small denominations, you know, have some

3099
03:03:11,720 --> 03:03:14,000
Speaker 1: ammunition because you never know what's going to happen. Family,

3100
03:03:14,120 --> 03:03:16,400
Speaker 1: we've talked about this quite a bit when Mark Manheim.

3101
03:03:16,879 --> 03:03:18,840
Speaker 1: Mark Manheim told us this was going to happen. By

3102
03:03:18,879 --> 03:03:21,720
Speaker 1: the way, about ten years ago, this is going to happen.

3103
03:03:22,000 --> 03:03:24,160
Speaker 1: When Donald Trump came out the scene and he told

3104
03:03:24,240 --> 03:03:25,959
Speaker 1: us to get a bug out back. It even gave

3105
03:03:26,040 --> 03:03:28,720
Speaker 1: you what to having that bug out bat and be prepared.

3106
03:03:29,160 --> 03:03:32,039
Speaker 1: So those of who been listening for quite some time

3107
03:03:32,120 --> 03:03:34,960
Speaker 1: to understand that. But doctor Wimbush, as you mentioned, not

3108
03:03:35,080 --> 03:03:37,960
Speaker 1: many of our people believe that. I know some folks

3109
03:03:38,040 --> 03:03:40,280
Speaker 1: like you did you mentioned, they don't believe anything's going

3110
03:03:40,360 --> 03:03:43,080
Speaker 1: to happen. They think this is will all blow over,

3111
03:03:43,800 --> 03:03:45,560
Speaker 1: and you know, Donald Trump be gone in the next

3112
03:03:45,600 --> 03:03:47,800
Speaker 1: couple of years and we'll be dealing with some other issues.

3113
03:03:48,200 --> 03:03:49,599
Speaker 1: Your thoughts of those folks.

3114
03:03:50,280 --> 03:03:53,560
Speaker 4: Well, you know again and you were the one that

3115
03:03:53,680 --> 03:03:56,640
Speaker 4: first told me about it was Project twenty twenty five.

3116
03:03:57,280 --> 03:04:00,240
Speaker 4: You know, I tell people this is something that is

3117
03:04:00,360 --> 03:04:02,920
Speaker 4: going to be permanent. The people who are in power

3118
03:04:03,040 --> 03:04:08,360
Speaker 4: right now plan on maintaining this power and this so

3119
03:04:08,520 --> 03:04:14,080
Speaker 4: called unitary executive branch way beyond the life of Donald Trump.

3120
03:04:15,360 --> 03:04:18,560
Speaker 4: You know, you got Dvance standing in the wings and

3121
03:04:18,680 --> 03:04:24,760
Speaker 4: so forth. This guy what's his name, the guy that's

3122
03:04:24,840 --> 03:04:29,680
Speaker 4: over an Office of Management and Budget vote. He said

3123
03:04:29,760 --> 03:04:36,480
Speaker 4: that we're in post constitutional America, meaning that the Constitution

3124
03:04:36,640 --> 03:04:39,800
Speaker 4: of the United States is not as relevant now as

3125
03:04:39,840 --> 03:04:43,440
Speaker 4: it was back in seventeen eighty nine. So if you're

3126
03:04:43,520 --> 03:04:48,480
Speaker 4: living in post constitutional America, you talk about a dictatorship.

3127
03:04:48,560 --> 03:04:51,480
Speaker 4: And as I've said before, we're in a soft dictatorship

3128
03:04:51,600 --> 03:04:54,920
Speaker 4: now that is going to be hardening as we approach

3129
03:04:55,000 --> 03:04:58,600
Speaker 4: the midterm elections in November this year, I.

3130
03:04:58,680 --> 03:05:01,119
Speaker 1: Got sixty seconds. How much of what's going on today

3131
03:05:01,200 --> 03:05:03,520
Speaker 1: is to obscure what's with Epstein files?

3132
03:05:05,000 --> 03:05:07,960
Speaker 4: I think altho it does. I think that you know,

3133
03:05:08,360 --> 03:05:11,240
Speaker 4: they said there's a joke around In fact, I heard

3134
03:05:11,320 --> 03:05:14,240
Speaker 4: this one. What was the name, Marjorie Taylor Green? She said,

3135
03:05:14,280 --> 03:05:17,800
Speaker 4: there's a joke around Congress in the White House that

3136
03:05:18,040 --> 03:05:23,560
Speaker 4: the ballroom is Epstein's ballroom is to distract, and I

3137
03:05:23,640 --> 03:05:26,880
Speaker 4: think Trump would do anything to distract from the fact

3138
03:05:27,440 --> 03:05:32,680
Speaker 4: that he's a pedophile and and and being a pedophile,

3139
03:05:32,800 --> 03:05:35,440
Speaker 4: he'll do anything to protect that because that's one thing

3140
03:05:35,879 --> 03:05:38,280
Speaker 4: that will destroy his so called maga base.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the joke in Denmark is the rename Greenland

3142
03:05:44,280 --> 03:05:47,880
Speaker 1: epstein Land. And that way Donald Truble hands off. He

3143
03:05:47,920 --> 03:05:51,240
Speaker 1: won't mention it again. And that's that's what the days

3144
03:05:51,280 --> 03:05:54,199
Speaker 1: are talking about these days. Doctor Wimbush's funny.

3145
03:05:54,240 --> 03:05:55,160
Speaker 4: I heard that one.

3146
03:05:55,240 --> 03:05:56,000
Speaker 6: That's good though.

3147
03:05:57,240 --> 03:06:00,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, doctor Winbush, how can folks reach you? You're

3148
03:06:00,160 --> 03:06:02,560
Speaker 1: still at Morgan Can Do you have an email address?

3149
03:06:02,959 --> 03:06:03,680
Speaker 1: They can get in.

3150
03:06:03,720 --> 03:06:06,160
Speaker 4: Touch with that more. I'm at Morgan State and you

3151
03:06:06,240 --> 03:06:09,640
Speaker 4: can reach me at Ray Winbush at gmail dot com

3152
03:06:10,320 --> 03:06:13,080
Speaker 4: or follow me on Facebook under ray Winbush.

3153
03:06:14,120 --> 03:06:16,840
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Dr Wimbush, thanks for sharing your thoughts

3154
03:06:16,879 --> 03:06:17,600
Speaker 1: with us this morning.

3155
03:06:18,560 --> 03:06:20,160
Speaker 4: Thank you take here all right.

3156
03:06:20,520 --> 03:06:23,600
Speaker 1: That's doctor Ray Wimbush from Morgan State University. That's it

3157
03:06:23,680 --> 03:06:26,200
Speaker 1: for the day. Class is over us, class is dismissed.

3158
03:06:26,360 --> 03:06:30,160
Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'll see

3159
03:06:30,160 --> 03:06:33,080
Speaker 1: you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on

3160
03:06:33,240 --> 03:06:36,720
Speaker 1: ten ten WLB and then the DMV on fourteen fifty

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Speaker 1: WOL