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Speaker 2: you know, if you're going to be at the fan

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Speaker 2: Fest on Saturday, we'll be set up pretty much all

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Speaker 2: day and people should come on over and give it

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Speaker 2: a listen that hour long show. We'll have guests and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: While we're talking. I'll try to get on my computer

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Speaker 2: here and see if I can figure out the time

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Speaker 2: on that. But here we go. Yeah, eleven o'clock Eastern

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Speaker 2: time will be on the air there on Sarday.

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Speaker 1: So, Dave, let let's begin with this that this matchup

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Speaker 1: is obviously fascinating between Ohio State and Indiana. If you

439
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Speaker 1: were to rank, okay, if between offense and you know,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State offense, Ohio State defense, Indiana offense, Indiana defense,

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Speaker 1: if you were to rank those one through four the

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Speaker 1: unit rankings, they would rank what in terms of this

443
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Speaker 1: game going into it?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean, I haven't thought of it in

445
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Speaker 2: those terms. It's interesting that you would ask. I think

446
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Speaker 2: I'd say Ohio State defense is definitely the best unit.

447
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you maybe have to argue that

448
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 2: Indiana's defense is the second best unit in this game.

449
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Speaker 2: You know, there's second in the nation in scoring defense.

450
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Speaker 2: I mean, they've been really good. They're so hard to

451
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Speaker 2: run the ball against. So I'd say that, you know,

452
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Speaker 2: both the defenses are probably the two best units in

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Speaker 2: the game. I don't know that we really know. I

454
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Speaker 2: know this sounds crazy because we're twelve games in, but

455
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Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty interesting that sig was asked

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Speaker 2: yesterday in his news conference, do you think Ohio State

457
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Speaker 2: maybe holding some things back? And he said, I think

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Speaker 2: they might be on offense, like, which was a crazy

459
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Speaker 2: idea to me, but like the more I thought about it,

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Speaker 2: the more I kind of thought, you know, I wonder

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Speaker 2: whether he is right. I do think Indiana's offense, like

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Speaker 2: what we've seen this year. I think Indiana's offense is

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Speaker 2: better than Ohio State's offense. Ohio State has the best

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Speaker 2: individual player in this game. Like, I just think Jeremiah

465
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Speaker 2: Smith is a different way.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, I really do, Dave. I actually, and you tell

467
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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Here, I told somebody Jeremiah Smith,

468
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Speaker 1: if he were to fall asleep and they were to

469
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Speaker 1: find him in Lucas Oil Stadium a week from Sunday,

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Speaker 1: he would be able to suit up and play in

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Speaker 1: an NFL game. I know he's not eligible to do so,

472
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Speaker 1: but his talent level is that I mean, this is

473
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Speaker 1: an NFL receiver right now, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's he's really great. And again, like the

475
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Speaker 2: Indiana receivers are amazing, So I you know, again, like

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Speaker 2: I think we're splitting hairs on this whole thing. Jake

477
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Speaker 2: like and I'm fascinated to see. You know, I don't

478
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Speaker 2: know if people have really talked about much, but the

479
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Speaker 2: Angela Pons was Jeremiah Smith's high school.

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Speaker 1: Teammate, So like, the Angela Pons is covered jam yeah,

481
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 1: and is a and is also a fabulous player for Indiana, right,

482
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Speaker 1: I mean, he and Adan Fisher have been cornerstones for them.

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Speaker 2: Incredible, So you know he have a little bit of

484
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Speaker 2: a chef on his shoulder to go one on one

485
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Speaker 2: with him. I don't know, I mean it's certainly an

486
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Speaker 2: interesting storyline that again I haven't seen people talk about

487
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Speaker 2: it a ton. Uh So I think we're splitting hairs.

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Speaker 2: Like again, I think Ohio States defense is as good

489
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Speaker 2: as anyf seen, but Indiana's got like a national championship

490
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Speaker 2: level defense in and a year. And then I think

491
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Speaker 2: Indiana's offense has shown us that to be a little

492
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Speaker 2: bit better so far this year than Ohio State's offense.

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Speaker 2: But Ohio State may have the best individual player, dous

494
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Speaker 2: I think of the best individual player in the game.

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Speaker 2: I just I think it's really close. Like there's a

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Speaker 2: reason in their rank one and two in the country.

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Speaker 2: These are, in my opinion, the two best teams.

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Speaker 1: You know it, David feels to me, Dave Repsen of

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten Network is my guest here on the

500
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Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest line. It feels to

501
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Speaker 1: me like the only difference in twenty twenty five between

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Speaker 1: these two teams is the legacy. You just listen. I

503
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: went to Indiana, right, I grew up. I watched Anthony Thompson,

504
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Speaker 1: I watched Steve Bradley, I watched Babe Lothenburg, I watched

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Speaker 1: Sam Whitch's teams, all of it. Right. But but and

506
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Speaker 1: having said that, it's still there's like one little tenth

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Speaker 1: of me that still is incredulous over the fact that

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Speaker 1: Indiana is the number two team in the C and

509
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: Ohio state feels like this behemoth, right, But yet they

510
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Speaker 1: are kind of mirrors of one another, are they not?

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Speaker 5: They are?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's hard to ignore thirty consecutive winses, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, so at that part of it, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I get why you would think that way as an

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Speaker 2: Indiana fan. I mean, we're talking about this is the

516
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Speaker 2: longest wind streak that any program has had over any

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Speaker 2: other program in the history of the Big Ten. So

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Speaker 2: I think as a As an Indiana fan, you are

519
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: conditioned to think that no matter how good you are,

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00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: when you go up against Ohio State, it's just not

521
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: going to work out. And last year I think kind

522
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Speaker 2: of maybe reaffirm that. What's interesting to me was kind

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Speaker 2: of the notion that Indiana said that they used what

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Speaker 2: happened last year as a tool to understand where they

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Speaker 2: needed to get and that Signetti really, you know, he's

526
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Speaker 2: kind of from the get go. I don't think he ever,

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Speaker 2: like he hasn't ducked away from after the Ohio State

528
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: game and after the Dinner Name game last year saying

529
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Speaker 2: we got to get better on the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: These were we were beaten on the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: They were just better. Both those teams were just better

532
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Speaker 2: than us there. And I think he feels, I mean,

533
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: they clearly are better on the offensive line. But this

534
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: will be a really good test. I mean, well, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: But again, like kind of to your original question, like,

536
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Speaker 2: I just think it's hard if you haven't done it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's hard for a fan not to look

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Speaker 2: at it and say, well, we just never beat those guys,

539
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Speaker 2: and no matter how good we are, they're always better

540
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Speaker 2: than us. I thought, like Adan Fisher, I thought put

541
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: it really well this week where he said, hey, we're

542
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: twelve and oh for a reason. And you know, we

543
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Speaker 2: look at it as two great teams going head to head,

544
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Speaker 2: and I think that has to be the mentality and

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Speaker 2: if anyone can kind of get I don't think the

546
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Speaker 2: players have that same mentality that the fans have. I

547
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: really don't like. My sense is that Indiana looks at

548
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: themselves they say, last year, we thought we were really good.

549
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: We went up against them, we realized we had some

550
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Speaker 2: things we need to work on, and now we've worked

551
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Speaker 2: on them, and now we're going to see how we

552
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Speaker 2: match up. But we have every belief that we're going

553
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Speaker 2: to win.

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Speaker 1: Dave when Dave Repsen is my guest, when you you've

555
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Speaker 1: been around Kurt Signette, you guys have done obviously you

556
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: know preseason interviews and profiles and you know a number

557
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: of different aspects of it. And you mentioned last year,

558
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Speaker 1: you know there was and I get it. I mean

559
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Speaker 1: Kurt Signetti had to have and it's one of the

560
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: most remarkable stories in sports, the way he turned around Indiana,

561
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Speaker 1: and he had to have that exuding confidence that Kurt

562
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: Signetti has and it has worked right, but he caught

563
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Speaker 1: some heat after the Ohio State and Notre Dame games

564
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Speaker 1: just in terms of the bravada going into the game

565
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: and then the coaching in game, et cetera. Have you

566
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Speaker 1: seen any difference whatsoever in Kurt Signetti from last year

567
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Speaker 1: to this year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a little less bravado than

569
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Speaker 2: there was last year. I happened to, like, you know,

570
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Speaker 2: we were I was sitting next to him when he

571
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Speaker 2: came down. Your guests came up the day of his

572
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 2: press conference and sat there and told Jerry and Nicole

573
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Speaker 2: and me, you know, we're going to be back there

574
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Speaker 2: next year. And I was so flabbergasted. We hadn't seen

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Speaker 2: the press offense, so because we're you know, we were

576
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Speaker 2: working all day. I really didn't know what this guy was. Like.

577
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Speaker 2: I still say, I asked literally the worst follow up

578
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: question I've ever asked in my career, where he said

579
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Speaker 2: we're going to be back there next year, and like,

580
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: Nicole and Jerry looked at me and I'm like, you

581
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Speaker 2: want to go on record with that, and He's like, yeah, I.

582
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Speaker 1: Just did, yeah, yeah right.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Like I was so flabbergasted Jacob, like totally.

584
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Speaker 1: And in Indiana too, right, you know what I mean,

585
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: I get it, and.

586
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah and the like, and like, you know, look, I've

587
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: been trying through Jerry for twenty years, right, I mean

588
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: because we there's our nineteenth season, the Big ten Network

589
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: eighteenth year, and then we worked together for two years

590
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: of ESPN before that, as you know. And so I

591
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: don't have the utmost respect for Jerry, you know. And

592
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Speaker 2: I mean, like he took over Indiana. I think he

593
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Speaker 2: has fifty.

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Speaker 1: Five places speaking by the way of Jerry DeNardo for

595
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Speaker 1: those yeah coaching.

596
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Speaker 2: So when Jerry took over in Indiana, right, he's got

597
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: I think fifty five players on scholarship. He'd know the

598
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: exact number. I think he went through like three athletic career.

599
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: I think he says it's like three athletic directors, four presidents,

600
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Speaker 2: and six mission statements or something. I mean, it was

601
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: a disaster, right, like the place which is disorganized. They

602
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: weren't ready to win. And I like, I think the

603
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: world of him, and I think in different circumstances, he

604
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: could have been a really successful coach there. And so

605
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: like you're sitting next to a guy who has washed

606
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Speaker 2: in your shoes And I don't even think that. I

607
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: don't even know sig knew that, but like I was

608
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: almost this sounds so weird. It was almost protective of

609
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: Jerry in that moment, like do you know how hard

610
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: this job is?

611
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: No question?

612
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know what you're getting into your sitting

613
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Speaker 2: next to someone who's lived it right, and it's crazy

614
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: to think, you know, I'd say, hey, horseshoots and Haggard

615
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: AD's like he was wrong, man, he was off by

616
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Speaker 2: a year, but it's crazy to think that he basically

617
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: got it right. Like in that moment, I thought to myself,

618
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: this has no idea how hard this job is, and

619
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying you can't do it. Look, Tom Allen

620
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: had him in the top ten, you know, like Tom

621
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: Allen had two pretty good years there and then it

622
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: just kind of fell apart. So I certainly never think

623
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Speaker 2: I don't think any job is impossible. I think you'd

624
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: be good administrative support, good alignment. They certainly had that.

625
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: In speaking with Scott Dolson kind of subsequent to the hire,

626
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: I think I understood the logic of it, but I

627
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: never in a million years would have thought that this

628
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: was going to end up where it is as quickly

629
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Speaker 2: as it's ended up there, and we have that bravado

630
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: and all that caught me off guard. I've kind of

631
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: gone down this whole path here back to your original

632
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: question of how he has handled I think he's handled

633
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: a little differently this year. But I love that about Signetty,

634
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: Like I love that he has a process that he

635
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 2: believes in that has proven to work over time, and

636
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: he doesn't care where he's doing it, Like, as long

637
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: as he has the proper support administratively, he believes that

638
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: he can get it done. And the proofs in the

639
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: pudding he has gotten it done.

640
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Speaker 1: Dave, I think the handed this year? Yeah, go ahead, Now,

641
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think the thing that's so

642
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: impressive about him, And you tell me if this, if

643
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: you've kind of observed the same type thing. You could

644
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: take the third string long snapper on the Indiana football

645
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: roster and Kurt Signetti would tell you what size shoe

646
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: the guy wears and what way he prefers to tie them. Like,

647
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: he just seems to know his personnel and how they

648
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: respond to every situation from top to bottom as well

649
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: as anybody I've seen in coaching.

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00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: Would agree. And look, I think he is a football junkie,

651
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: and so I think that that goes to a lot

652
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: of different levels. I think part of it is the

653
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: psychological aspect and understanding his team and you know, having

654
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: kind of a process that he believes in that he

655
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: has kind of gone through trial and air with that,

656
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: He's learned from people that he's adapted people forget. You know,

657
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: everyone has the saving connection. But his dad was an

658
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: incredible coach, a Hall of Fame coach, and so he's

659
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 2: been around him. And his brother is a good coach,

660
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: and so like there's there's a lot like coaching. It's

661
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: just in his blood. But I'll tell you a story

662
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: Jake that really, like to me, is indicative of who

663
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: Kurt Signette is. And this is something goes back to

664
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: Tom Allen. Like when we go and do our camp

665
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: visit at Indiana every year, we go up into the

666
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: coach's office before the practice that day and Jeff Kagger's

667
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: the great sid there. I'm sure you know, you know,

668
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: like they are bagels and we have coffee and we

669
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: sit and talk to the coach. And we did it

670
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: with Tom and we've done it with seg here these

671
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: last two years, and both times we've gone in was

672
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: sig we have interrupted him watching film, and both years

673
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: it has interestingly been, well, like what are you watching? Well,

674
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: I've cut up some high red zone from across the

675
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: country and I'm watching high red zone clips and it's

676
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: just really interesting to me, Like that's what he got,

677
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: Like that's who he is. And he's not again, he's

678
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: not watching his team. He's watching like, you know whatever

679
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: Arizona you know, plays from the twenty three yard line

680
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: or eighteen yard line or whatever it is, right high

681
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: red zone. I guess so, and he's just like wow, okay,

682
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: you know, like it was one thing when he went

683
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: in the first year, and then the second year is like, hey,

684
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: he's doing the exact same thing. Like he can't get

685
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: enough football, and whether it's to your point, his team

686
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 2: and his players, or whether it's just the game in general,

687
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: Like he's always looking for some different He's always looking

688
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: for the edge, and I think that's part of what

689
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: makes him great, Like he lives, eats, breathes this stuff,

690
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: and maybe other coaches are the same way. You know,

691
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that he watches more than anyone else

692
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: or breethes it, eats it, drinks it more than anyone else.

693
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, there's just something about it that

694
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: I think he finds endlessly fascinating and it's helped a lot.

695
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of coaches that view film.

696
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: I think Kurt Signette watches film. Does that make sense? Yeah,

697
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think he just from

698
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: what I'm told as well. You know, it's it's the

699
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: nuance of discovering things in it that go past most people.

700
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, what bagel are you getting?

701
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: Like when they when Jeff kg orders the bagels and

702
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, repsid Big ten network, which one you

703
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: going with?

704
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: You?

705
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: Blueberry bagel? Everything bagel, says me, bagel, what are you

706
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: going with?

707
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm more like sess to me or everything? Blueberry

708
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: bagels kind of like a fake bagel.

709
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: Okay, bagel far up in eighty sixth Street, though they

710
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: got a blueberry bagel with a slab of cream cheese.

711
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: That is heaven, buddy. Let me tell you that's like

712
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: watching the White Sox in late October, the total Heaven.

713
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: You don't see it very often, but tell Okay, Dave.

714
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: Last thing, is the Heisman Trophy on the line Saturday.

715
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: Is the Heisman going to go to one of these

716
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks? And is it going to be the quarterback

717
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: that that statistically outperforms the other.

718
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: That is my feeling. I mean, I'm a Heisman voter.

719
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: I consider it my obligation, and you know, I try

720
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: to do this kind of down the stretch on in

721
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: the process of doing this, of watching everyone who is

722
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: in the Heisman Trophy contention play and EVR games, watch

723
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 2: them back, and so I have a pretty good sense

724
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: from you know, kind of where I sit as to

725
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: how that's going to play, you know, with my vote,

726
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: And I would say this game will go a long

727
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: long way toward determining how my vote goes. I think

728
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: there's some other players who are really worthy. My loves unbelievable.

729
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: I think Bobby is really good. I come around about him.

730
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: But I think, you know, from where I said, these

731
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: two have been have been pretty.

732
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Speaker 1: And how does it work. Do you literally just get

733
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: a ballot and you write down, say your top five

734
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: or your top three. I mean what obviously they come

735
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: up with the finalists then, right and they send it

736
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: to you or how does it all work.

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00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: Now it's just your top three. You can vote for

738
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Speaker 2: anyone in the country. It's electronic. They did change it

739
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: this year, which is interesting. There used to be a

740
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: ten day voting window, which would have already begun. And

741
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Speaker 2: those of us who are you know, like who take

742
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: it really seriously? I mean, I think there's sponsibility, very very.

743
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Speaker 1: Seriously, which is appreciate.

744
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: Who in the world would vote now? Right, like you

745
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 2: to wait until championship weekend to see every data point

746
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: for every player. So they change it this year. You

747
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: cannot vote. I think it's open Sunday and Monday are

748
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: It's basically open for like forty eight hours, So you

749
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: cannot vote before the championship weekend, which I think is

750
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: a really positive step because you shouldn't. I mean, if

751
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: you're going to do this what I would perceive to

752
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 2: be the right way, you need to wait until you've

753
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: been able to watch every player at every possible situation.

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00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: Dave and the Big ten network crew will all be

755
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis with coverage beginning you said Friday, everything gets underway,

756
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: right and then basically wall to wall Friday and Saturday,

757
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: including in the intermission of basketball games and all of

758
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: it to cover Indiana and Ohio state.

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00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, you got it, Dave.

760
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Safe travels down here by all means,

761
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: and we look forward to all of the coverage on

762
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: the Big ten network with Indiana and Ohio State. But

763
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate the time. I know you're busy.

764
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 2: That's always my friend.

765
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: See you too, appreciate it. Dave Revsen joining us on

766
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: the Java House Peelamport guest line. I have an unpopular

767
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: opinion about this game, and Eddie, I'll let you be

768
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: judging jury. And we have fan fast tickets to give away.

769
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna give those away. Yes, all right, we will

770
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: do it. We'll let Eddie come up with the fashion

771
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: in which we will do it. Your chance to see

772
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: Dave and the filming and everything else takes place at

773
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: the Big ten fan Fest. We'll do that coming up

774
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: one o'clock hour as well. This happens with more regularity

775
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: than I care to admit. Okay, Eddie premonition, you hear

776
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: it right there from Ricky Who is this Ricky Martin?

777
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: Ricky Martin, thank you, been like twenty five years since

778
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: I've heard the song, so I always have this premonition.

779
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: I always have this clarity of thought where I think,

780
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: to myself, Okay, I would mention this on the radio,

781
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: but it is so incredibly obvious that there's it would

782
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: be ridiculous for me to talk about it because I'm

783
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: just saying. It would be like me going on the

784
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: air and saying, hey, breaking Indianapolis is the capital of Indiana. Well,

785
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: everybody knows that, right, there's no point in me doing that,

786
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: so well, thank you. This is just in court and

787
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: no longer the state capital. It's now Indianapolis, by the way,

788
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: where you're living. So with that, Eddie, I will have

789
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: something that comes to my mind and I think to myself,

790
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: it is very obvious. Then I'll mention it to a

791
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: couple of people and they will say, that's the dumbest

792
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard. You're the only person that thinks that.

793
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: And one of the difficulties of my life is the

794
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: fact that sometimes something that is so incredibly obvious to

795
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: me apparently is the opposite to the rest of the

796
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: civilized world. For example, here is the opinion that I'm

797
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: going to guess in our people's court version here as

798
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: you are Judge Watner and Doug Leuwell and Bog that

799
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: you are going to rule against me in this. Okay, okay,

800
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 1: but hear me out. I'm worried. This is my unpopular opinion.

801
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: As I'm driving last night to go to the Pacer game,

802
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: I start to and you can tell this with the

803
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: JW Marriott when they get the crews up there that

804
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: are putting up the big stickers and everything else. Right,

805
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: And then I'm driving down today and I see on

806
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: the JW. Marriott there is a huge, like four to

807
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: six story high sticker whatever you want to call it,

808
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: that says never Daunted. And it's the Indiana Football helmet. Okay,

809
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: Indiana is playing in the Big Ten Championship game on

810
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: Saturday evening at Lucas Oil Stadium in the shadows of

811
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: the JW. Marriott. The JW Marriott has long now been

812
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: the epicenter, if you will, of hospitality and of promotion

813
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: and celebration of event in Indianapolis. When the Indy five

814
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: hundred is here in running, obviously it's here every year

815
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: the borg Warner Trophy goes up. When the NCAA Final

816
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: Four is here, they put the entire bracket up on

817
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: the JW. Marriott. When any event comes to town, it

818
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: is promoted on the JW. Marriott. Now here is my

819
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: unpopular opinion for you, Eddie Garrison on my question what

820
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: fun fundamentally is the problem with a huge poster of

821
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: Indiana football on the JW Marriott Right now? I don't

822
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 1: know what is it? You tell me? Okay? I hate

823
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: Ohio State. I hate them right, just like everyone outside

824
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: of Ohio. Correct. There is nothing more borish and obnoxious

825
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: than the Ohio State fan base. I hate them. I

826
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: love that they come here and spend all their money,

827
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: and I think they're good people because the rest of

828
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: the year I actually am akin to them because I'm

829
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: a Reds fan and so tour a lot of them.

830
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the way that they choose

831
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: their football team, they all air. Okay. Now, having said

832
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: that the Big Ten Championship Game, Indianapolis has been selected

833
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: as the host city of the Big Ten Championship Game.

834
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: As the host city of the Big Ten Championship Game,

835
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: that means that if you're going to put something up

836
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: on the JW Barriout, it needs to be celebration and

837
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: champion of the event itself, not with a buy towards

838
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: one team and while I understand that Indiana is the

839
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: athletic program that is indigenous to the state in which

840
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: the JW Marriott sits, the reality is that putting that

841
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: up on the JW Marriott where mind you, probably the

842
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: majority of people staying there this weekend are fans of,

843
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: wait for it, Ohio State. But nonetheless, it is the

844
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: responsibility of whether it be the sports corp unless that

845
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: was paid for by Indiana University. There needs to be

846
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: an objectivity and not a bias shown. Even though we

847
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: all assume that most people in Indianapolis and for that matter,

848
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: the civilized world, are rooting for Indiana to beat Ohio State,

849
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: while we all assume that it is the responsibility of

850
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: the promotion of the event to do so to celebrate

851
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: the fact that the Big Ten Championship Game is being

852
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: housed in Indianapolis, and not to show favoritism towards one

853
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: team or the other. And I think it's actually somewhat

854
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: irresponsible to show a favoritism towards one team. Now that

855
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: maybe that the graphics incomplete and have yet to put

856
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: the Ohio State helmet up, and then they're going to

857
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: put a Big Ten trophy in the middle of it.

858
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think they should celebrate and

859
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: champion the fact that we are hosting the event and

860
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: that as the epicenter of hospitality, the JW Marriott should

861
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: show a welcome of all to the championship event. I

862
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: guess it all depends Jake on who's buying the space,

863
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: Like is IU buying if I use buying it, I

864
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: get that, But in any other capacity, even if it's

865
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: the JW, they should be showing it as an equal

866
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty of celebrating the fact that we are

867
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: privileged as a city to welcome all for the Big

868
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: ten title. Yeah. Now, Scott Agnes joins us on the

869
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest Line Fieldhouse files his

870
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: coverage of the pacers. We'll let Scott, who just had

871
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: to sit through that entire soliloquy, opine and way in, Scott,

872
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: Am I right or wrong on this?

873
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 6: I think you guys are hitting it completely right there,

874
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 6: as if it suggests to me that it's eye you purchase.

875
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 6: They've leaned into this never daunted theme over the last

876
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 6: couple of years, and so if they sought it out

877
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 6: and commissioned it, no big deal with that but certainly

878
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 6: if it's something put on by the city or anything

879
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 6: like that, I don't think they would have done that.

880
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 6: They would have done something neutral.

881
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: Okay, that's and that's my thought because now it's different.

882
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: When the Pacers were in the NBA Finals, they put

883
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: up the Pacers graphic, but that's different because the Pacers.

884
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: The NBA Finals were only in Indianapolis. Because of the Pacers,

885
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: it was not selected. So in other words, the if

886
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: Indianapolis was the Super Bowl host city and the Colts

887
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: happened to be in it, I still would anticipate that

888
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: it would have the Lombardi on it, and then the

889
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: Colts helmet and the NFC helmet both both on there.

890
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 1: You know, you see what I'm saying.

891
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 6: I guess it depends who's the highest bidder, right with

892
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 6: that space, because we've seen advertisements in terms of you know,

893
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 6: Gatorade putting Caitlin Clark up there, correct or when it

894
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 6: was INDI's All Star Game they put Tyrese Haliburton up there,

895
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 6: but it was advertising how everyone could get involved with

896
00:48:59,040 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 6: All Star wreck.

897
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: Like when Caitlin Clark during the All Star Weekend for

898
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: the WNBA, Nike put her up there. But it said

899
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: from downtown in my hometown, like welcome all you know

900
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was like she was the ambassador

901
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: and he was the ambassador, welcoming everyone, regardless of allegiance.

902
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 6: I think the best example of this would be Taylor Swift.

903
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 6: I can't believe Taylor commissioned a big portrait of her

904
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 6: on the side of the JW. Right that had to

905
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 6: be presumably downtown Indye or visit Indy to welcome all

906
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 6: the Indie fans, and so that was a neutral contributor.

907
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I just I think that

908
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: when you have Indianapolis should push its chest out about

909
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: the fact that it has been selected for years now

910
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: as the host city. Regardless of who the opponent is.

911
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: It just happens to be fantastic that it's Indiana University.

912
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: But maybe you're right. I mean, if I you bought

913
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: it themselves, that's different. And if that's the case, then

914
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: no issue, no problem, All right, Scott, Let's get to

915
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: last at Gambridge field House the Pacers in Cleveland. I

916
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: I saw a slow and late arriving crowd and I

917
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: thought to myself, maybe this crowd is not here because

918
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: people have accepted the fact that the Pacers this year

919
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: are on the struggle bus, but obviously it was weather

920
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: impacted because the crowd then was pretty good. I think

921
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: people have figured out and are understanding and patient to

922
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: the fact of they're struggling because everyone is hurt.

923
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: Right.

924
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: But there are some players that you look at Scott

925
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: and you say, Okay, this is going to be a

926
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: net positive in the long run because this player's X

927
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: and Y are getting significant minutes that are then going

928
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: to help them acclimate once the Pacers are back full throttle.

929
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: And then other guys I call them empty calorie guys.

930
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: There are some guys that are empty calorie guys that

931
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: you just need calories and they're not providing you anything,

932
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: but you just need them because you're hungry. Right, So said,

933
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: give me a player or two so far this year

934
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: that you look at and you say, they're taking advantage

935
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: of showing what they can do, and they're going to

936
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: be part of a rotation once everybody's healthy.

937
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say as a whole. The first guy

938
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 6: that jumps out to me it is Jay Huff as

939
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 6: a reserve. I don't know if he's your starter full time,

940
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 6: but I think he's really now settled in Jake over

941
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 6: the last three weeks or so and showed exactly how

942
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 6: productive he can be in the minutes that he's given.

943
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 6: I mean, his block shot ability has been as good

944
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 6: or better than advertised. So he's the number one guy

945
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 6: I think of making a mark because I bet not

946
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 6: one Pacer fan had heard of him before he was

947
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 6: acquired here. The trouble is, the list isn't very long

948
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 6: right now.

949
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: Jake.

950
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 6: We've had moments, We've seen Isaiah Jackson, There's been moments

951
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 6: for Jaris Walker and Benedict Mathern. I would say as

952
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 6: the whole, he's been very good. Obviously last night a

953
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 6: little bit of an off night, just eleven points three

954
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 6: of nine was not a big factor in this, but

955
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 6: overall it's been able to be counted on for about

956
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 6: twenty points per game and continues to grow within his game.

957
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 6: Still on his rookie deal, so I would also put

958
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 6: him in that conversation.

959
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: What is the contractual status because I think they got

960
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: a hardship last year kids he was out. Where do

961
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: things stand contractually with Isaiah Jackson?

962
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 6: Isaiah Jackson just came off his rookie deal last year.

963
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 6: It was the same situation. We should note, as Benedict Mathern,

964
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 6: they did not reach an agreement in the fall before

965
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 6: the season, and so he went into a contract year

966
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 6: into the detriment and Isaiah Jackson's standpoint, he suffered that

967
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 6: a torn achilles, which obviously negatively impacts your value just

968
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 6: because it's the injury that it is. So the Pacers

969
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 6: re signed him this past offseason a three year deal

970
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 6: worth twenty one million.

971
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I couldn't remember. So he is in for three

972
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: years because Scott, I'll be honest, and I like Isaiah

973
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: Jackson a great deal, but I have wanted to see

974
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: more than I have seen thus far. Am I too

975
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: critical considering the injury?

976
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 6: I would just say a little bit.

977
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: No.

978
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 6: I think he's obviously he's absolutely left wanting us all

979
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 6: wanting for more out there. But I also didn't expect

980
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 6: for him to be thrown into the starting lineup immediately

981
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 6: or be asked to play twenty five minutes in some circumstances.

982
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 6: And you know, last night I think was their fifth

983
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 6: game in seven days something like that. And so that's why,

984
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 6: for example, you saw a veteran like TJ McConnell held out.

985
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 6: They just according to Rick Carlisle postgame, he said, it's

986
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 6: no new injury. We just didn't feel like with all

987
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 6: these games that he looked sharp at the beginning of

988
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 6: the game, so we cut him off for the rest

989
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 6: of the game. Well now I'm factoring that. Okay, Isaiah

990
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 6: Jackson coming off the worst injury. All of us really

991
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 6: agree that you can have. Okay, we got to be

992
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 6: a little bit delicate with it. But also he's a

993
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 6: professional and paid at this level, so we should expect more.

994
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 6: But yeah, there's definitely a lot to be desired still.

995
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes is our guest Joba House Peel and poor

996
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: guest line where you here or him Fieldhouse Files where

997
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: you can read his work and coverage. Scott, let's go

998
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: back to Jay Huff, I said earlier, and I want

999
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: your thought on this. Do you see Jay Huff as

1000
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: somebody that is still auditioning to be a long term

1001
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: starter for the Pacers or is Jay Huff a guy

1002
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: that is realistically an eighteen to twenty one minute off

1003
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: bench solid piece once everybody's there guy.

1004
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 6: Sad part is I think it's both. Realistically, it's the latter.

1005
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 6: It's play that eighteen minutes per game off the bench.

1006
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 6: Being an energy guy, He's really showed some consistency from

1007
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 6: beyond the arc. He plays in that respect in his

1008
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 6: blocking like Miles Turner. So for fans it's probably a

1009
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 6: comfort blanket. It's familiar in what they get from a center,

1010
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 6: whereas Isaiah Jackson very different from that respect. But right

1011
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 6: now they don't, in my opinion, have a starting caliber center,

1012
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 6: no one playing at that level. Therefore, I think they're

1013
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 6: all starting for that or trying for that long term

1014
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 6: gig for this season.

1015
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1016
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: The the thing about Jay Huff, I agree with you,

1017
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: and he is really in the last I don't know,

1018
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: a week or two, I think, become more active around

1019
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,959
Speaker 1: the rim. He just seems more comfortable in the flow

1020
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: of what they want. But you tell me this, Scott,

1021
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: do you feel that he has the same high post

1022
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: passing and facilitating ability that and I hate to compare

1023
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: everything to Miles Turner, but that's what you're replacing, right.

1024
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: Does he have the same facilitating nature that Miles Turner had.

1025
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 6: I'm not sure they asked Miles to do a lot

1026
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 6: of that facilitating. There was certainly some picking pops a

1027
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 6: lot where he was coming up to set the screen.

1028
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: But Turner would come up at the beginning of a possession.

1029
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: Turner would you know. Obviously a lot of times he

1030
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: was coming down, he was the last one down because

1031
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: he was starting a breakoff of a block or whatever else.

1032
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: But a lot of times he would flash up, he'd

1033
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: get the ball in the high post and then they

1034
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: would kind of start that weave, if you will, And

1035
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: he was usually the first guy that would kind of

1036
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: pop it out to one of those two and then

1037
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: he flashes back down, right. Yeah, he had a lot

1038
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: of movement. Yeah, from the top of the ark. He

1039
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: would get it first, then switch it to the other side,

1040
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: and then go move off the ball. You're right in

1041
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: that ass. So do you feel that that huff can

1042
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 1: be that kind of a guy?

1043
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 6: I do, Yeah, I think so. He's agile. I think

1044
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 6: you're right. He's gotten not only a lot more comfortable

1045
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 6: and confident in the know how of this system and

1046
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 6: what is being asked if him from her Carlisle, but

1047
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 6: I also think he's gotten his conditioning, and that was

1048
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 6: such a big thing early on. Without that, you're always

1049
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 6: playing ketchup and huffing and puffing out there, and so

1050
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 6: now he's at the point where, yeah, I think you

1051
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 6: can flow or facilitate if you will, because right now

1052
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 6: they don't have that dominant guard or dominant guy that

1053
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 6: they are playing through. They need to play through Siakam

1054
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 6: as much as possible. But yeah, I think Jay Huff

1055
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 6: can be utilized in many of the similar ways.

1056
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: I saw last night. Scott, were you down of the

1057
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: game last night by chance? Still?

1058
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 7: No?

1059
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: Okay? The there was a late in the game, mid

1060
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, I think, and I don't know if they

1061
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: if the broadcast caught this or not, Matherin missed a

1062
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: blockout and Carlile called a timeout. I can't remember if

1063
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: he called the timeout because of the miss blockout or

1064
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: if it just so happened there was like an out

1065
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: of ball, or you know, maybe Cleveland called the timeout.

1066
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: But Rick Carlyle like got down, almost like on a

1067
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: stool across from Benedict Mathern to get in his grill

1068
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: basically about the miss blockout and kind of gave the

1069
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: riot act to the entire roster sitting there for the

1070
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: for almost the totality of the timeout, and everybody responded fine,

1071
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: and he didn't pull anybody out. They went back out

1072
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't like some ugly situation, but it was a

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00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: unique situation. I don't know that I've seen Rick Carlyle

1074
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: get that agitated in vocifrus during a timeout during the

1075
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: course of a game. Am I missing something or is

1076
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: that out of character?

1077
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 2: No?

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00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 6: I think that's on brand. How many times do we

1079
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 6: see him call those quick timeouts like start of the second.

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00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: Score that, but then he usually usually it's short bursts.

1081
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: I will and he kind of writes the assistance then

1082
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: handle it right like for him. What I'm saying is, yes,

1083
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: usually he'll call the timeout and then he goes up

1084
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: high and like Jenny will come out and they'll talk

1085
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: for a second, and Lloyd Pierce or somebody will go

1086
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: and kind of handle things, and then he kind of

1087
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: comes down and goes over what needs to be done

1088
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: for him to call it specifically to undress everybody. He

1089
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: wasn't wrong, and I applaud it, but I just to

1090
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: me that jumped out at me. Yeah.

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00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 6: I think normally what he'll do, mostly for like an

1092
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 6: individual blowing a coverage or something, he'll erupt on them briefly,

1093
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 6: make the point and then go right into the timeout

1094
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 6: like you said, and everybody. These guys are smart enough

1095
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 6: they know exactly where they just messed up and why

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00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 6: that timeout was called, and so it kind of goes

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00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 6: without saying there, but yeah, you're you're seeing a lot

1098
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 6: of that coaching, a lot of that emotion. I think

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 6: them out from all of them, because there is no

1100
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,479
Speaker 6: margin for air right now for this team.

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00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: Do you think Pascal Siakam that game winner that he

1102
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: hit Scott to see that bench erupt and you know,

1103
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: basically cross the mid court stripe with him and everyone

1104
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: around him, that to me looked like a roster that

1105
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: was understanding of the toll that things were taking on

1106
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam because he's a guy that's used to winning

1107
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: and now he's like the lone soldier out there and

1108
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: no fault of anybody's because of the attrition. Do you

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00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: think that emotionally it is wearing on Pascal Siakam? I

1110
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: think absolutely, how could it not?

1111
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 6: And I think it's weighing on all of them, but

1112
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 6: no one more than him, given the how much of

1113
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 6: a burden he's had to shoulder, especially as is the

1114
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 6: running mate with Andrew Nemhard missed a lot of time

1115
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 6: with injury and so they he was the one guy

1116
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 6: you could count on for about twenty five minutes per game,

1117
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 6: even Matheren miss time with that turf toe. He was

1118
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 6: the one stable point that this team had, and for

1119
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 6: him to contribute like he did, to play the big

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01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 6: minutes like he was playing. He was playing like thirty

1121
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 6: six minutes per game back when more guys were out.

1122
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 6: And so, yeah, I think you just saw that pent

1123
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 6: up frustration and just the team losing, be like, look,

1124
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 6: I finally got some luck, we finally got a win,

1125
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 6: and it boiled over to the point where you could

1126
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 6: see how they talk about his leadership being a big deal.

1127
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 6: I thought you could see that here where they all

1128
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 6: just wanted to celebrate him in so many different ways.

1129
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 6: I mean, pouring water on his head and taking his

1130
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 6: headband and those things you don't do for a guy

1131
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 6: you don't like. They love Pascal and the levels in

1132
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 6: which he's contributing to this team on and off the court.

1133
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: Scott, what's the latest on Fieldhouse Files and what you're

1134
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: working on?

1135
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, Lloyd Pierce is hosting a coat drive this afternoon

1136
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 6: at three point thirty there at Horizon House. So looking

1137
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 6: back at last year and looking ahead and hopefully a

1138
01:00:58,880 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 6: big contributions to the.

1139
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 4: Scott, did you go to the Noblesville Boom game on

1140
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 4: Saturday to watch him take on the Wisconsin Herd.

1141
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 6: I did, and I'm actually, yeah, yeah I did. I

1142
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 6: saw them get the win over the Herd. And more

1143
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 6: to that, I had a long postgame conversation with Victor Oladipo.

1144
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 6: I was the only one there covering it and had

1145
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 6: an opportunity to catch up with him, and he expanded

1146
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 6: on so many different ways that he has changed, and

1147
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 6: his simple message to Pacers fans is judge me for

1148
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 6: who I am now, not what I was. I've changed

1149
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 6: a ton since then. He expressed some remorse for a

1150
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,959
Speaker 6: lot of different things, and now he's just not ready

1151
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 6: to call basketball quits just yet, and so that's why

1152
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 6: he's staying after it.

1153
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: Do you believe that in that conversation, and that's interesting, Scott,

1154
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,479
Speaker 1: that Oladipo would say that he was at the game

1155
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: the night before, right, I mean, he was there kind

1156
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: of incognito. Actually I looked over and I'm like, is

1157
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: that Oladipo over there? But do you think that, in

1158
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: fact he does regret just kind of the way things

1159
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: were handled and the way that he left here.

1160
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 6: I do I think how how he handled the situation

1161
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 6: as a whole, and.

1162
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: I can't remember how it was the exact situation. I

1163
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: pardon my ignorance and asking that. I just know that

1164
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: he was injured and then did he ask for a trade?

1165
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: Is that what it was?

1166
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 6: It was one of those writings on the wall here

1167
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 6: that I'm not kind of happy here and and so

1168
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 6: you should kind of move me. And eventually he made

1169
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 6: it clear he wanted to get to Miami, and so

1170
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 6: they dealt him in that deal, if I remember correctly,

1171
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 6: to Houston, which brought back Karris LeVert in a four

1172
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 6: team trade. And the biggest issue we found it was

1173
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 6: more so the lead up and how everything was handled

1174
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 6: while he was still here, mostly since his injury, and

1175
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 6: he chose the doctor and went to Miami and rehabbed

1176
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 6: away from the team, and.

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01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: He didn't guess what, I remember that during the playoffs

1178
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: he the first they played Boston in the playoffs, if

1179
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, and he missed he missed the first game,

1180
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: like missed his flight and didn't make it back for

1181
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: the first game.

1182
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 6: There is weather delays on the tarmac and his plant

1183
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 6: his private jet couldn't get out in time.

1184
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1185
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: That ain't good.

1186
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then that delayed him, if I remember right,

1187
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 6: to a shoot around. And so he finally saw the

1188
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 6: guys and met up shortly a couple hours before the game,

1189
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 6: and they just wanted to focus on the game. They

1190
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 6: just trying to get a win and prevent a sweep here,

1191
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 6: and so that that was a little messy. But the

1192
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 6: overriding theme I think in all this is the doctor

1193
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 6: didn't do the surgery correct Jake, and then that quad

1194
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 6: ten and ruptured again, and then he changed agents two

1195
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 6: or three different times. To me, it fundamentally comes down

1196
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 6: to what he wants, who he trusts in the circle

1197
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 6: of trust that he allows around or within him, and

1198
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 6: that that was bad for him down the stretch and

1199
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 6: has led them down this path where you know, he's

1200
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 6: had these injuries and now is on the outside looking

1201
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 6: in for an NBA contract. But I think he'll make

1202
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 6: it back. It's just he's got to embrace this role

1203
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 6: of being that veteran like a James Johnson, who can

1204
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 6: contry beat at times, but can he lead in other

1205
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 6: ways and find out other ways to tribute on a

1206
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 6: veteran minimum and has he gained weight?

1207
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: He looked bigger. He looked thicker to me. I'm not

1208
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: saying fat, but maybe it's muscle. But he looked bigger

1209
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: to me, maybe a little.

1210
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 6: I didn't notice anything substantial in that level.

1211
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes field House Files, Java House, Peel and Poor

1212
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: Guest line and you can read all about Oladipo and

1213
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: the rest of it on the website. Scott appreciate the

1214
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: time as.

1215
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 6: Always, of course, thanks guys.

1216
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joining us. All right, Eddie, we have the

1217
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: did we give away the Big ten Fan Fast tickets?

1218
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 3: We did not?

1219
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: Okay? In what fashion? Would you like to do so?

1220
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: So we will do this via the text line I

1221
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: have a trivia question on the reddi Oh.

1222
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: Do you I do? So?

1223
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: This is going to go to the first person to

1224
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: correctly answer your trivia question by texting their guests at

1225
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: two through nine, ten seventy correct. Yes, these are tickets

1226
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: to the Big ten Fan Fest. We later have Motley

1227
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: Crue giveaway as well your trivia question for the Big

1228
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: ten fan Fest tickets. This is your opportunity again to

1229
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: enjoy at the convention Center all of the festivities. The

1230
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: Big Ten Network broadcasting live. There would be bands, there,

1231
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: there are trophies, there's history, there's videos. It's awesome. It's

1232
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: a very cool way to get in the celebratory mood

1233
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: of the Big Ten Championship Game being in Indianapolis. Eddie,

1234
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: your trivia question that people need to answer at two

1235
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: three nine ten seventy via text is okay?

1236
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 4: So since twenty and eleven there have been obviously quarterbacks

1237
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 4: to win the award, but from twenty eleven to twenty

1238
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 4: sixteen one two, three four, five of the six winners

1239
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 4: were all quarterbacks. Since then, of winners of the Big

1240
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 4: Ten Tournament Football Championship MVP, gotcha okay? And since then

1241
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 4: there have been just two. That started in twenty seventeen.

1242
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 4: Name the last quarterback to win the MVP in the

1243
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 4: Big Ten Football Championship Game.

1244
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: The last Big Ten Championship Game Most Valuable Player to

1245
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: have been a quarterback? Yep, that's the question. Yep, two nine,

1246
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: ten seventy is the telephone number if I'm not stake

1247
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: and it's a guy that actually no hints, no hints,

1248
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: no hints, yet rub people the wrong way when he

1249
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: was awarded it. I could be wrong we'll get to

1250
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: the answer and let you know who gets tickets next.

1251
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: It was a humdanger of a question that Eddie Garrison

1252
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: came up with. As a matter of fact, it's stumped

1253
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: the namesake of the program because I guessed. And your

1254
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: question again, Eddie, if you could please repeat the question.

1255
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 4: So in uh, I think it was six of the

1256
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 4: first seven years. I'd have to recount, but if not,

1257
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 4: at least five of the first six years of the

1258
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 4: Big Ten Football Championship the MVP was won by a quarterback. However,

1259
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 4: it has been six years since the last quarterback has

1260
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 4: won the MVP.

1261
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: Who was So the question is who was the last

1262
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: quarterback to be named the Big Ten Championship Game Most

1263
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: Valuable Player? Yes, and my immediate guess was and it

1264
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: was the guy that kind of caught some heat because

1265
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: when he was named the MVP and he went up

1266
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: and took the trophy from Archie Griffin, he swiped it

1267
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: away like he was stealing something from him. And I

1268
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 1: guessed Connor Cook of Michigan State. And you are telling

1269
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: me that that was not correct, right, That is incorrect.

1270
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: Fun fact, though he is the only guy that has

1271
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: won the MVP more than once did he play in

1272
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: the league maybe briefly. The correct answer and the song

1273
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: that we came back with should tell you do we

1274
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: have a winner? Eddie? Yes, that winner is Jackson Miles.

1275
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: He got it correct. Justin Fields of Ohio State.

1276
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 4: Got a lot of CJ. Strouds. In fun fact, c J.

1277
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 4: Stroud never won the Big Ten Championship. Justin Fields was

1278
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 4: probably the quarterback the last time Ohio State was in

1279
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 4: it was he not Ohio State was lasted in the

1280
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 4: Big Ten Championship in twenty twenty. What year was Fields

1281
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen?

1282
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: Gues was it that long ago?

1283
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 4: Trey Sermon was your MVP in twenty twenty? Future cults

1284
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 4: and now former cults Speaking of college football and the

1285
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 4: Indiana logo on the JW. Marriott, I think more I

1286
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 4: actually appreciate it. People seem to agree with me on this.

1287
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 4: Somebody said, how do you know that the logoing's not done?

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01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 4: That's what I said. It's entirely possible that Ohio State

1289
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 4: goes up there as well. But Alec, your only friend,

1290
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 4: pointed out it had to have been paid for by

1291
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 4: Indiana because when Purdue was in the Big Ten title game,

1292
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 4: they did not put Purdue up.

1293
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: There was nothing up for Purdue, right, I don't know.

1294
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: That's probably good. That's a good point when they played

1295
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: Michigan or they were going to put a Purdue sign

1296
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: up on the JW and Michigan stole it. Right now,

1297
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: here is another unpopular college football opinion. We also have

1298
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: Motley Crew tickets to give away later in the show

1299
01:08:53,760 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: as well. I don't understand, and I know that this

1300
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: is not a local story per se, but it is

1301
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: a big story in college football. And you know, there

1302
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 1: are smaller stories. For example, Purdue today, one of the

1303
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: items in the news regarding Purdue Sterling Smith Stu Smith

1304
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: from Cathedral announcing that he will be entering the transfer

1305
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: portal and leaving the Purdue football program with two years

1306
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: of eligibility left. And that's going to be the first

1307
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: of many, probably at Purdue and anywhere. I mean, this

1308
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 1: is just the reality of all of it. Right of

1309
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: football in twenty twenty five. Here is one thing that

1310
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 1: is a big storyline in college football, the Lane Kiffin saga.

1311
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: And I know nobody in Indianapolis, for the most part,

1312
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: cares about Lane Kiffen in terms of the specifics of

1313
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 1: LSU versus old miss. I've never understood why Lane Kiffen

1314
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: is this. I mean, this guy just fails upward. It's

1315
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: unbelievable to me. Is he a good coach? Sure? But

1316
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin, to me, is the red properties in monopoly?

1317
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: You want to you gotta go Boardwalk park Place.

1318
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: Man.

1319
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: At the very least, you need one of the you know,

1320
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: like North Carolina Avenue or one of those green properties.

1321
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: The red ones are fine. I think it's like Indiana

1322
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: and Illinois or something like that, or the names of

1323
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: the properties. They're fine. Indiana, Illinois and Kentucky. Is Kentucky

1324
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: a red one? Look at you? What are the orange? Orange?

1325
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: That would be New York, Tennessee and Saint John's. No, No,

1326
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: I had no idea you had this skill? Is it

1327
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: Saint John's? Okay? What are the greens? North Carolina? What else?

1328
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and Pacific? What are the what are the light blues?

1329
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: The light blues you're looking at? Is that Baltic and Mediterranean?

1330
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: Baltic is the brown and Mediterranean? Also the brown? It's

1331
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: Oriental Connecticut. I forget the third one? Okay? What about okay?

1332
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: How about this? The yellows, the ars Vermont Atlantic and Vermont. Okay,

1333
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: look at Eddie, you played.

1334
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 4: I played Monopoly a lot when I was a kid.

1335
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: Apparently I had no idea you had this skill. What

1336
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: other board games of which you were? You a whiz?

1337
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 4: Yatzi? Okay, Monopoly was the big one, Yatzi. Sorry, trouble

1338
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 4: Sorry is a fun one now shoots in ladders with

1339
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin. He's getting Monopoly money. I understand why he left.

1340
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 4: This is what I don't understand. I've come around on this.

1341
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 4: People that are upset at Lane Kiffen for leaving, or

1342
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 4: any coach, people that think or any player that I

1343
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 4: have been, and maybe I'm jaded. I've been laid off.

1344
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 4: I've been part of corporate layoffs. I have to think

1345
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 4: about this four times in my career. Four is that right?

1346
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 1: Three or four? And you know what, each time that

1347
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: I was part of a corporate layoff, or my contract

1348
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: wasn't renewed or whatever it might be. Okay, each time

1349
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: that happened my place of employment. And I don't blame them.

1350
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: I left on goodwill and all of them. To be

1351
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: honest with you, I mean, I let you know, I

1352
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: understand it. It's it's the business. I get it. I'm

1353
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: not asking that that be taken into consideration and making

1354
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: me an easy layoff here. I'm just saying I get it.

1355
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: But you know what never happened in those in those times,

1356
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: I never once had a place call me and say,

1357
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: we're undergoing a corporate restructure, what's a convenient time to

1358
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: lay you off? I got an e mail or a

1359
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,759
Speaker 1: phone call that said, unfortunately, we're going through a corporate

1360
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: restructure and we're going to need you to bring in

1361
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: your playbook. Why do we get upset when coaches or

1362
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: players have an opportunity to move elsewhere and make a

1363
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: ton more money, and then we get mad at the

1364
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: timing in which they do it. Yeah, the timing sucks

1365
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: for old Miss. I get it. But if Ole Miss

1366
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 1: decided that the time was going to come where they

1367
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: were going to fire Lane Kiffen, were they going to

1368
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: ask him what was the most convenient time for him

1369
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: and his family? No, they come in and they go

1370
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: you're gone. So, while it wouldn't be my preference in

1371
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 1: terms of leaving a job, when a player or a

1372
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: coach has an opportunity to improve their livelihood and their

1373
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: income by going elsewhere, why do we get mad when

1374
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: they exercise that as opposed to like Lane Kiffin tried

1375
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: to put in two weeks. He tried and they said, no, thanks.

1376
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: I get it, But why are we mad at him?

1377
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: I mean, he's an unlikable dude. He's a good looking

1378
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: dude that like seems kind of cocky, and he seems

1379
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: to leave places all the time in the middle of

1380
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: the night. I get it, But you kind of know

1381
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: at this point what you're getting into. Old miss had

1382
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: to know when they gave the guy the gig. He

1383
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: left Tennessee in the middle of the night. He left,

1384
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, Florida Atlantic International, whichever Florida was he was at,

1385
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: probably in the middle of the night. I mean, I

1386
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: get it's kind of his brand. You kind of know

1387
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: what you're getting into, right, Why do you think you're

1388
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: going to be different? And why why do we he

1389
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: made what ninety one million is what LSU's given him.

1390
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: LSU who's paying three coaches now at Ojeron they're still

1391
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: playing Brian Kelly and they're paying then, you know what

1392
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, good for him, right, ninety one million. I

1393
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: just have always been a little bit confused why people

1394
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: in this country. You hear all the time. Hey, you

1395
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: hear Brian moved? Oh he did? Yeah, I saw it

1396
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: on Facebook. Brian's moving. Really he has house up for sale.

1397
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: How come got a job in Tulsa. He got like

1398
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: a twenty thousand dollars raise. Good for Brian. That's awesome. Yeah,

1399
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: he's having guys over to drink beer and help him pack. Awesome.

1400
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: Let's go. Let's have a congratulated congratulations party for Brian.

1401
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 1: He got new job, he's making twenty grand more. Drink

1402
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: some surf sign but what's that. Let's drink some surf

1403
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: sid that's right, that's right, just one hundred calories, no carbonation,

1404
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: easy to drink. And here's the thing. A guy gets

1405
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: ninety one million and you're mad at him. Why do

1406
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: we care? I don't understand why. Why LSU thought that

1407
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: he's going to be the answer. I mean, I don't

1408
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: like Brian Kelly, but you went from a guy that

1409
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: is just outwardly like has a kind of a punishable

1410
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: face to a guy that outwardly has a punishable face. Okay,

1411
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: cool colts are making some news by those that might

1412
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: be trying to find their way to see if their

1413
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: key card works in the building. We'll explain what I'm

1414
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: talking about, and we'll do it next and hold her

1415
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: in about eighteen What a jam? Eddie? Without looking? Can

1416
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: you tell me the band Wall of Voodoo? I set

1417
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: it out looking. I'm not looking. Can you name another

1418
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 1: hit from walla Voodoo? Nope, I couldn't tell you. Do

1419
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 1: you think Wall of Voodoo is still tours? I don't

1420
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: think so. They're from California. I think Wall of Voodoo

1421
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: that that song I don't even think was a hit

1422
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: when it came out. It's just like one of those

1423
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: songs that became more popular, like well after the fact.

1424
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: Well they were only acting from seventy seven to eighty nine,

1425
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: and what happened then? Somebody voodoo him? You have been

1426
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: to Voodoo Donuts in Portland? Have you been to Portland? Eddie?

1427
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 2: No?

1428
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: If you go to Seattle, next time you go to

1429
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: Seattle and you get some of your gummies, go down

1430
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: to Portland. You'll enjoy. Have somebody else drive the the

1431
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,560
Speaker 1: Voodoo Donuts. They've got a a special donut. It's a

1432
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: it's a little man, it's a little dude. And except

1433
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: for that, it's got a pretzel stick. Because it's like

1434
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: a voodoo doll that's been stuck.

1435
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 4: They broke up because most of the people that were

1436
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 4: in the band wanted to pursue their own solo careers.

1437
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: Really yeah, okay, how'd that work out for them? I

1438
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: don't know how many people were in Wall of Voodoo.

1439
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: Two former members.

1440
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 4: Died in the early two thousands, unfortunately, Joe Nanini suffered

1441
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 4: a brain hemorrhage on December fourth of two thousand and

1442
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 4: Mark Morland died of kidney and liver failure in March

1443
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 4: of two thousand and two.

1444
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: And how old were they? I don't know, because I

1445
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: think that that song is like eighty three, eighty one,

1446
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: eighty three, something like that. Mexican Radio one two, three, four, five,

1447
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: six seven eight total members. Really yeah, that's a big

1448
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: wall the Eltz yesterday, Shane Steichen was fairly noncommittal when

1449
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: it came to matter of fact. He kind of dodged

1450
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 1: the bullet when asked about Michael Badgeley and the kicking

1451
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: saga has been won for the Colts this year. Obviously

1452
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: they had it taken care of. Really, this goes back

1453
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 1: to Matt Gay because it is not often that a

1454
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: team makes a big splash or has their big off

1455
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 1: season splash in terms of free agency signings be a kicker,

1456
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, that's exactly what it was. They signed Matt

1457
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 1: Gay and then obviously, and I think there was some

1458
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: he was not healthy, but remember Chris Ballard having to

1459
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: essentially sit and defend Matt Gay on the regular, like, look,

1460
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: the guy's a good kicker. He's a good kicker, but

1461
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 1: he was missing kicks, and notably, he was supposed to

1462
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: be one that shortened the field for the Colts because

1463
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: he could hit from fifty and beyond, and there just

1464
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: were consistency issues. Then this year, Spencer Schrader, he gets

1465
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: hurt in the Raider game, and now Michael Badgeley's there,

1466
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: And if you can't hit regular, you know, extra points

1467
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: on the regular, you got a problem in addition to

1468
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 1: field goal inconsistency. And it sounded like Shane Steichen was

1469
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: kind of wanting to have his back when I think

1470
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: it was Kevin that asked him about it, and he

1471
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: basically said, and I'm paraphrasing, look that's you know, that's

1472
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 1: a Chris Ballard situation. I'll go, you know, I love Badge,

1473
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: but I don't know where what the kicker situation is

1474
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: going to be. But that's that's kind of up to Chris.

1475
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: Is basically what he said. I believe. See if this

1476
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: name is correct, Blake Groupie, Is that correct? From New

1477
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 1: Orleans most recently New Orleans? Yeap. He likes to hang

1478
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: around bands. That's the only thing I know about him.

1479
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: But he is one of those that is trying out

1480
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: today apparently, according to Joel A. Eericson of the Indianapolis Star,

1481
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: he is going to be in the building today trying out. Now,

1482
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 1: this is not unusual.

1483
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 4: He was with the Saints last season. He was eighteen

1484
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 4: of twenty six, which is good for sixty nine percent

1485
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 4: if those are interested in the percentages. He was three

1486
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 4: of six of fifty plus. Now first career, he's fifteen

1487
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 4: of twenty. Player favorite game, Eddie, Guess the college? Eighty

1488
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 4: Yes of eighty eight. Guess the college is what we're

1489
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 4: gonna play here?

1490
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: Okay? The answer? Okay, let me ask you this is

1491
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: that a Power five school? Yes? Is it a school

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01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: that has won a national championship in football to your

1493
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: understanding in their history? Yes? I think is it a

1494
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: school that is in contention for the national championship this year?

1495
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 4: They're on the fringe. Yes, definitely, this team has won

1496
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 4: a national championship.

1497
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,879
Speaker 1: They're on the fringe this year. They are on the fringe.

1498
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: Are they in the playoff as of right now? I

1499
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,919
Speaker 1: would have to look at the bracket. I'll go with Miami.

1500
01:20:51,560 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: That is not correct, Alabama not correct, Oklahoma not correct.

1501
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: This is going well.

1502
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 4: I may you're wrong on the championship part of it.

1503
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 4: I'm almost certain this.

1504
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have. Yes, I'm an idiot. And what year

1505
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: did they win the national championship? Well, they've won it

1506
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: twenty five times? Notre Dame. Yes, I should I should

1507
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: have known. How did I not know that? There are

1508
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: people yelling at the radio? Dude? How do you not

1509
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: remember that he played for Notre Dame. I don't know

1510
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: why I was so hesitant on yes and no on

1511
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: the whole championship thing they're in. They're eight seed right now,

1512
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: nine I don't know because of the whole Uh, I

1513
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: get it. But that's changed now, right it used to

1514
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: last year the ruling was that Notre Dame simply could

1515
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: not be a top four seed because that was the

1516
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: agreement by them not joining a conference, So that now

1517
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 1: is not applicable. Correct, They are the nine seeds of

1518
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: last week. Yes, yeah, they're in nine. I mean they're

1519
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: in because they can't who below them could push their

1520
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 1: way in. I have a double check on this. I

1521
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 1: think they're in. I think Notre Dame is a top

1522
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: five team in college football. I think if you were

1523
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: to survey, okay, Texas, is Texas done? Though Texas is done?

1524
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: They don't. They are not in the SEC cham so

1525
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: and where is Texas right now? As of last week,

1526
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: Texas was number fourteen? Yeah, so Texas can't improve themselves. Well,

1527
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: they just won against Tech against uh who you're saying

1528
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 1: that there's they just beat A and M. Right, yeah,

1529
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: they just so you're saying they were fourteen before beating

1530
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: A and M m hmm. Okay, So let's let's say

1531
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: that that and I don't think it should, but let's

1532
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: say that wedges Texas in. Who is below Notre Dame.

1533
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 4: Below Notre Dame, you have Bama, b Yu, Miami's out

1534
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 4: of question, Utah, Vanderbilt. I think Vanderbilt is out of question.

1535
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 4: Michigan's out of question as well.

1536
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: No, between Notre Dame and Texas, who are the teams

1537
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 1: between Notre I just like, yeah, all of those right.

1538
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 4: This is I was looking at this week's called AP rankings,

1539
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 4: not the CFP from last week. Texas was sixteen in

1540
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 4: the CFP last year.

1541
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Texas ain't getting in. And if you were to

1542
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: survey A and M, or that matter, Alabama, oll Miss

1543
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 1: Texas Tech, if you were to survey those teams and

1544
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: ask outside of Ohio State or Indiana, who they least

1545
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: would want to face, I think a lot of them

1546
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: would say Notre Dame.

1547
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 2: Fair.

1548
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're highly thought of Fair. Yeah,

1549
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: they lost two games to start the year, but they

1550
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: were both you know, they were on the road, and

1551
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: they have and yes, their schedule is not the most daunting,

1552
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: but they've been pretty solid. And I think he's a

1553
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: really good coach. I wouldn't want to play him, would

1554
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 1: not want to play him. Steven Holder ESPN dot com.

1555
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: We will find out what is the happening, what is

1556
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: the latest in terms of the kicking competition, and a

1557
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: couple of areas of major question of health for the colts.

1558
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: We'll do it with Stephen next. You know, I don't

1559
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: know if you know this, and not Eddie, but this

1560
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: song adequately describes my the three favorite people on earth,

1561
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: so he myself and I am. I love me some

1562
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: me man, no question about that. Joining us now in

1563
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: the Java House, Peel and poor guest line from ESPN

1564
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: dot com. Stephen Holder is our guest, Steven. Let's begin

1565
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: with this kicker situation for the colts we were just discussing.

1566
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: There apparently is one who is going to be in

1567
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: the building at some point today. Do we have any

1568
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: idea how many might be in or where things stand? No,

1569
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: but but keep in.

1570
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 5: Mind they have likely been kind of keeping tabs on

1571
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 5: the kicking market for the last couple of months, you know,

1572
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 5: seeing how they lost their kicker. They did do a

1573
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 5: workout with several kickers earlier this year, so they have

1574
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 5: a pretty good feel for what's out there and at

1575
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 5: least some options of what's out there. So I think

1576
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 5: they can probably move pretty quickly. I thought they might

1577
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 5: have some I thought they might have a workout yesterday,

1578
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 5: and I did not see any visits listed for the

1579
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 5: folks on the NFL transactions, so that didn't happen. So

1580
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 5: what I took from that was they probably have an

1581
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 5: idea of what they want to do, if that makes sense,

1582
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 5: So we will see. But I fully expect some movement there,

1583
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 5: or at least it seems likely at this point. Let's

1584
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 5: put it that way.

1585
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 1: Now, let's get to a couple of items from a

1586
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: health standpoint, Steven, and we'll start with Sauce Gardener. I

1587
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 1: have not heard any specific today. Yesterday we talked to

1588
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: Ralph Reef and he wasn't speaking of Sauce Gardner's case specifically,

1589
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: but rather in generalities and simply saying that Gardner in

1590
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: the type of injury if it is what we thought

1591
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: it was going to be a strained that that's probably

1592
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: a three week deal. Where do things standard? Do we

1593
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 1: have any more information?

1594
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 5: No, we don't, but I think we can kind of

1595
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 5: ballpark it based on what we do know, which is

1596
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 5: we have some sense about the injury. The exact severity,

1597
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 5: the exact diagnosis in particular, we haven't gotten, but we can,

1598
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 5: you know, just piece it together. The other thing that

1599
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 5: we can, I think take some direction from is Shane

1600
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 5: Stikeen being very adamant that he does expect him to

1601
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 5: play at some point before the end of the regular season.

1602
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 5: There are five games left, so that that's not a

1603
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 5: big window, and that they are not as of right now,

1604
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 5: there are no plans to put them on injured reserve,

1605
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 5: which is four games a minimum, So the three game window,

1606
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 5: you know, is a ballpark guess I would say the

1607
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 5: other thing I can throw out there. I don't know

1608
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 5: if their injuries are exactly the same, but Kenny Moore

1609
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 5: earlier this year had what we thought was an achilles

1610
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 5: tear initially, if you recall, he went down on the field,

1611
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 5: also a non contact injury, and we feared the worst.

1612
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 5: It turned out it was a strain, and I don't

1613
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 5: know if it was more of the same area as Gardner.

1614
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 5: He said it's more in his cap rather than the achilles,

1615
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 5: So I don't know. I didn't do the MRI, obviously,

1616
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 5: but all I can tell you is that Kenny Moore

1617
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 5: with something kind of sort of similar. He missed three

1618
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 5: weeks and then was back, So hopefully that is a

1619
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 5: good guy post for us.

1620
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: We played earlier Steven Stephen Holders my guest Java House

1621
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line. He's from ESPN dot com,

1622
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 1: Shaverius Ward Mooney. Ward, you know, obviously is a very

1623
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: good player and has had the concussions, came back. He

1624
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 1: had a big play against Kansas City. But I think

1625
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: he's looked a little off, and I know that he

1626
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: had the personal tragic loss of his daughter, and I

1627
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 1: believe that we just marked, you know, the I always

1628
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,560
Speaker 1: hate to use the word anniversary because I think of

1629
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 1: anniversary is a celebration. But you get my point of that,

1630
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 1: of that happening in his life. But we played an

1631
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: audio clip from him where he was saying that he

1632
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: just doesn't play as well when his head is cloudy

1633
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 1: and his body is cloudy. And I took that as

1634
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:31,480
Speaker 1: him talking about because he was so open and transparent

1635
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: of coming off of the concussion and how close he

1636
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: was to thinking he would never play again. Do we

1637
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: have reason to believe that? And I don't know if

1638
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: he was just somebody said, no, Jake, he was talking

1639
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: about his daughter there. But I think he's been so

1640
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: open about the fact that coming off that concussion just

1641
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: really set him back a little bit. Do we think

1642
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: he's even close to one hundred percent?

1643
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 5: So I think he's probably one hundred percent physically. I

1644
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 5: think he was talking about his mindset. Of course, we're

1645
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 5: all just interpreting, of course, right, But but you are

1646
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 5: correct the one year, you know, mark for lack of

1647
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 5: a better word of his daughter's passing. I believe it

1648
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 5: was just a couple of weeks ago. He he had

1649
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 5: some really I think, really I would say, sort of

1650
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 5: painful remarks that he or I guess posts that he

1651
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 5: had on Instagram around that time that I think spoke

1652
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 5: to his state of mind, and it was not great.

1653
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 5: To be completely honest, it was really hard to read

1654
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 5: some of the things that he posted, and none of

1655
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 5: us can even imagine unless we've been through that, right,

1656
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,440
Speaker 5: So I get it in terms of, like, I understand

1657
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 5: why he'd why he would be so so real and

1658
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 5: so raw and saying things like that publicly. So I

1659
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 5: in light of all of that, I think he's just

1660
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 5: talking about that. I think he's still processing what happened,

1661
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 5: and especially in light of the time of year. I

1662
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 5: remember when he signed his contract, he even said that

1663
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 5: going back to San Francisco was not an option for him,

1664
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 5: and not because of anything the forty nine ers did,

1665
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 5: not because they're not a good team or an organization.

1666
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 5: He said, there's just too much history there. I can't

1667
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,919
Speaker 5: go back, And his daughter's mom was like his girlfriend,

1668
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 5: it's like, I can't be back there. She left, in fact,

1669
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,799
Speaker 5: and went back home to Texas if I'm not mistaken

1670
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 5: after the little girl passed away. So I just think

1671
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 5: this is a young man who's just been through a lot,

1672
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 5: and I hope that he's getting the help that he needs.

1673
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1674
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 5: I stay away from the topics from him because he

1675
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 5: has been clear that it's hard to talk about, so

1676
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 5: I try not to go there. But I do hope

1677
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 5: that's that he's getting the help he needs, because, you know,

1678
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 5: having seen it happen in my own family, I don't

1679
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 5: want to get like super off the topic here, but

1680
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 5: like having seen family members go through that, you never heal.

1681
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 5: There's no healing. It's just like you just deal with it.

1682
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 5: You know, there's no I'll be better. I'm gonna get

1683
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 5: over it.

1684
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:10,719
Speaker 1: You don't. You just don't.

1685
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 2: You just get a.

1686
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 5: Little bit better and you cope.

1687
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 1: So I just hope he's doing okay from a health standpoint.

1688
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is the other player that obviously we now know,

1689
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: and I thought his mobility looked very compromised. Steven, has

1690
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: there been any indication of I guess a two part question.

1691
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 1: Can this from now to the end of the year

1692
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: and any way get better? Is the first question, and

1693
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 1: the second is would the Colts explore the possibility of

1694
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: getting him rest.

1695
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 5: So the first question in terms of it getting better,

1696
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,879
Speaker 5: all I can tell you is what they believe, the Colts,

1697
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 5: and that answer is yes, they believe there will be improvements.

1698
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 5: And for whatever it's worth, Daniel Jones himself said that

1699
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 5: in the Texans game he felt better than he did.

1700
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: In the Chiefs game. I'm with you.

1701
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:15,600
Speaker 5: I do agree he was compromised some And I have

1702
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 5: said this a few times and people got to have

1703
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 5: and said, oh, I think he did a good job

1704
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 5: and he's he's fighting it out and toughing it out. Yes,

1705
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 5: that's true, but we can also admit that like he's

1706
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 5: not one hundred percent. They can't call all of the

1707
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 5: plays available to them in the playbooks because some of

1708
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 5: them require him to use his legs and they're not

1709
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 5: going to do that right now. So they are compromised.

1710
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 5: There's no question about that, and they're not going to

1711
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 5: admit it. They're not going to talk about it, but

1712
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 5: they are. It is a fact, and you can do

1713
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 5: with that whatever you want. But that is true and

1714
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 5: there's nothing to argue about. As for your second question,

1715
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,759
Speaker 5: will they consider sending him down. No, not unless something

1716
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 5: drastically changes. There is absolutely zero, zero intent to play

1717
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:07,759
Speaker 5: Riley Leonard and and if they did, I think.

1718
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 1: You would see.

1719
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 5: You would see a very very very basic approach to

1720
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 5: the game plan, and it would not be it would

1721
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 5: not be one that would put you in position to win.

1722
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 5: They're they're not they're not ready for him to play.

1723
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 5: They don't think he's ready to play. Let's put it

1724
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 5: that way.

1725
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: Should they be going to a more basic offensive game

1726
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: plan anyway of more featuring Jonathan Taylor, Well, I hear you.

1727
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,560
Speaker 5: I think I think there's a there's some merit to that,

1728
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 5: but there's a difference. Though there's a difference. I think

1729
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 5: there's there's gonna be times when we talked about the

1730
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:49,680
Speaker 5: complexity of their offense and and all the things that

1731
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 5: they want to do to attack defenses, which is what

1732
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 5: led to Daniel Jones becoming the starter. So given all

1733
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 5: of the I don't think you're going to be able

1734
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 5: to have Riley Leonard come in there, who doesn't have

1735
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 5: frankly doesn't have the physical skill set that either of

1736
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 5: the other two quarterbacks have. Anthony Richardson being the other,

1737
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 5: he's not available but I'm just throwing him in there.

1738
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:20,600
Speaker 5: Riley Leonard's physical skill set is it's far below I

1739
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 5: believe either Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson. So even though yes,

1740
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 5: I hear your question, should they simplify the offense? Yes,

1741
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 5: and no, you it's still the NFL, and you've got

1742
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,959
Speaker 5: to come out there with a full menu because defenses

1743
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 5: are too good because if they if you are too predictable,

1744
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 5: you're dead. You're dead, sober, You're gonna lose. You've got

1745
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:46,639
Speaker 5: to have a menu that challenges defense and keeps them

1746
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 5: on their toes and make unpredictable.

1747
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: So that's just kind of where they are, uh, Steven,

1748
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 1: what we talked about this last week, and then you know,

1749
01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 1: even yesterday and I didn't know this st even deaf Con.

1750
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: You know, you always hear people say like we're def

1751
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Con four, def Con three, whatever. So apparently the lower

1752
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 1: the number, the more the the pucker factor. Okay, so

1753
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: def Con one means that like there's a huge mushroom cloud,

1754
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: and then deaf Con four means like, you know, we're

1755
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 1: we're okay here, right, So the culture at what level

1756
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 1: of death con?

1757
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 5: Well, Uh, I think the answer would be different. We

1758
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 5: were talking about the state of the world, but that's

1759
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 5: not the question.

1760
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 1: We're speaking. We're speaking in terms of the cold season itself. Yeah, yeah,

1761
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 1: everything's fine.

1762
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 5: Uh, I'd stay it's I think def Con three. I

1763
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 5: ask me again on Monday. I might have a different answer,

1764
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 5: but I think they have an opportunity.

1765
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:50,600
Speaker 1: I think it was.

1766
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 5: It might have been Mooney Ward who said this. I

1767
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 5: think he's right about this. He said, everything we want

1768
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 5: to achieve is still in front of us.

1769
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: He is right about that.

1770
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 5: Like they're not going to be the number one seed

1771
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 5: in the AFC. I don't anticipate. Excuse me, but but

1772
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 5: he's not wrong. I mean, they can still control their

1773
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 5: own destiny. They can still handle their business. The problem

1774
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 5: is they have some challenges that are going to be

1775
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 5: difficult to deal with, as as we already outline, and

1776
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 5: most of them has to do with injury, and and

1777
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 5: that's just is what it is. But I do think

1778
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 5: if they win this game, puts you at what nine

1779
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 5: and four, it takes a little bit of the pressure

1780
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 5: off and lets you reset a little bit, and and

1781
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 5: then you you've just got to finish decent. They don't

1782
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 5: have to win out or anything.

1783
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 1: But they got to win. They got to win some.

1784
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 5: They got to win two or three of these to

1785
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 5: really be in position to win this division. So I

1786
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 5: think I think it's Stepcon three, unless and until they

1787
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 5: lose this game, or if they win this game, maybe

1788
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 5: it goes.

1789
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 1: Down a little.

1790
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1791
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:02,560
Speaker 1: It's the curious thing here, I think partially Steven and

1792
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this, because the Colts got out to

1793
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,600
Speaker 1: the blazing start at seven and one, you know, and

1794
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 1: just every literally every button they pushed was unlocking every door.

1795
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: It was just fabulous. You kind of didn't pay a

1796
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 1: lot of attention to what Houston and Jacksonville were doing.

1797
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 1: Houston clearly, you know, we just saw it. I mean,

1798
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 1: we know what Houston is and defensively their outstanding. But

1799
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 1: Jacksonville has won because the Colts have yet to see them,

1800
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: and they got to go down there this weekend. That

1801
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,560
Speaker 1: I've not paid as much attention to other than I

1802
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 1: keep waiting for Trevor Lawrence to show me why he's

1803
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence that said, what challenges does Jacksonville present and

1804
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 1: what is Jacksonville doing that has now put themselves in

1805
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 1: this stick along with Indianapolis.

1806
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, for one, I would say their schedule

1807
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 5: was not favorable early on, which is kind of the

1808
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 5: opposite of what, uh what the Colts had going on, right,

1809
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 5: So so sometimes, you know, it is difficult to know

1810
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 5: what you're looking at, you know, when you're when you're

1811
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 5: assessing teams early in the season, it's not always that easy.

1812
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 5: And and I've always stressed this, like, don't make staff

1813
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 5: decisions after a few weeks, you know, because you just

1814
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 5: don't know what you're dealing with. So that's that's one thing.

1815
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 5: And I'd also say, like their defense is definitely gonna

1816
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 5: get a challenge. That that's real. I think that they

1817
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 5: they have a quarterback who is capable. I don't I

1818
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 5: don't think that Trevor Lawrence came up at night. But

1819
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 5: he's also like a guy that if you if you

1820
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 5: make mistakes on defense, like he'll beat you. You know,

1821
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 5: he'll make the plays to beat you.

1822
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 2: That's just what it is, you know.

1823
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:52,639
Speaker 5: I just think they're they're also from everything I can tell,

1824
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 5: and I'm I'm like you, like I have I paid

1825
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 5: a lot of attention to the Jaguars. No, I mean,

1826
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 5: because there didn't seem to be a reason to do that,

1827
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 5: but they do seem to have more depth than they

1828
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:08,880
Speaker 5: have had. They do seem to be well coached this year.

1829
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 5: I got to give Liam Cohen credit. I didn't know

1830
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 5: what to expect from him. That that's underwhelming duval that

1831
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 5: he gave in his press conference. He gave me bad vibes.

1832
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't know if I can take

1833
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 5: this guy seriously, but you know, look, Nick Sirianni also

1834
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 5: had an awful opening he did.

1835
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 1: Sirianni was like, they were ready to run him out

1836
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 1: of town, right listen.

1837
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:38,640
Speaker 5: I got calls from colleagues around the NFL after that

1838
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 5: press conference like who.

1839
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 1: Is this crown? I was like, look, I know I

1840
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 1: watched it.

1841
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 5: It was bad, but hear me out, hear me out,

1842
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 5: and I actually I didn't know if it would work.

1843
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 5: But I really liked Nick and I really thought that

1844
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 5: that he had some kind of some kind of magic

1845
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 5: to him. But anyhow, he's he's got a Super Bowl.

1846
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:59,560
Speaker 5: So despite where they are now, you know that that

1847
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 5: tells you something. But anyhow, back to the Jags and

1848
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 5: Liam Cohen, Yeah, I think they're an interesting team because like,

1849
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 5: what's the one thing you think about when you think

1850
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 5: about that team about going to play the Jaguars. The

1851
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:12,639
Speaker 5: answer is nothing really.

1852
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, historically I always think that they and I'm going

1853
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 1: way back right it just branding. Historically, Steve and I

1854
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 1: always think of Jacksonville as being very defensively sound up front.

1855
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 8: Now that's not to say they are. Now, that's just

1856
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 8: what I you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, but

1857
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,680
Speaker 8: that's about it. I mean, you know, they're they're just

1858
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 8: kind of they're just kind of, you know, solid, That's

1859
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 8: that's what i'd say. And solid though, can get you

1860
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 8: to eight and four, which is where they are. But

1861
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 8: I don't think you fare the Jaguars in any respect,

1862
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 8: which is kind of why it's impressive that they are

1863
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 8: where they are.

1864
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't. I don't have a lot for you.

1865
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 5: There's really not a lot there. Frankly. They're just they're

1866
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 5: just kind of plucky and solid and you better show up.

1867
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 5: That's all I can to tell you.

1868
01:40:58,640 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 2: You know.

1869
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 1: The when when you look at the schedule remaining, Stephen

1870
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: Holders my guest ESPN dot com is where you can

1871
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 1: read his work, and of course he's on the Joba

1872
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 1: House Peel and Poor Guest line. The schedule is there

1873
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 1: is really no break here, Steven, you know, I mean,

1874
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 1: you're not that there ever is in the NFL. But

1875
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 1: if you look at it, you go to Jacksonville, then

1876
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 1: you come back and you got to go to Seattle,

1877
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 1: which you kind of wait for Seattle to come back

1878
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: down to Earth. I don't think it's going to happen now, right,

1879
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 1: and then the Niners Jacksonville again, and then you got

1880
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 1: to finish in Houston. So there's just it seemingly when

1881
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: we go back to Daniel Jones, I'm kind of fixed

1882
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 1: on that if there's an area where they need to

1883
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 1: just kind of take a game where they slow things

1884
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: down a little bit for him, I just don't know

1885
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: where it's going to be. I mean, they they this

1886
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 1: seems very backloaded to me, but talk me off that ledge.

1887
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 5: No, I mean I can't.

1888
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 1: It is what it is.

1889
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 5: I mean, you see the schedule. I see the schedule,

1890
01:41:55,120 --> 01:42:00,560
Speaker 5: and I do think I will say early on, I

1891
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,600
Speaker 5: think we all knew that they were playing somewhat of

1892
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 5: a light schedule, and I don't think we ever denied that.

1893
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 5: But I also felt like, all right, they are so

1894
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 5: good offensively that I kind of don't care who they play,

1895
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 5: you know, like it didn't matter to me. The games

1896
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 5: would get harder, clearly, and that that was a given.

1897
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 5: But I still like them in terms of favoring them

1898
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:31,839
Speaker 5: because I think when you're beating bad teams by thirty

1899
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 5: literally thirty points, you're better than just about every team

1900
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 5: out there.

1901
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 2: Right.

1902
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 1: So this is the NFL.

1903
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 5: It's not college, you know what I mean, No one

1904
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 5: should be beating anybody by thirty points. So I thought, look,

1905
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 5: this is a really good team. But I do think

1906
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 5: I don't. I think it's a combination of things. It

1907
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 5: is the injuries, it is the way defenses are attacking

1908
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:58,720
Speaker 5: them right now. They're really they're blitzing heavy, They're they're

1909
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 5: really attacking the run. It's it's not just Sainstyke and

1910
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 5: being stubborn about running the football defenses. No, you got

1911
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:09,320
Speaker 5: a compromise quarterback and you got the best running back

1912
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:12,400
Speaker 5: in the NFL. Huh, So you know it's not that hard,

1913
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 5: but they they have to overcome it. Man, if you're good,

1914
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 5: you'll overcome it. And and they've got to figure that out.

1915
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 5: But it ain't going to get easier. Losing Sauce hurts.

1916
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 5: You saw what happened immediately on Sunday, Sauce goes down.

1917
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:30,600
Speaker 5: They had a plan and yeah, Sauce, you're on the

1918
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 5: you're on the left side. Excuse me, you're on the

1919
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,760
Speaker 5: right side. Mooney, you're on the left. And you guys

1920
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 5: just stay there. So wherever Nico Collins is, you get

1921
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:40,760
Speaker 5: a little bit of a break when maybe you get

1922
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 5: the number three or four receiver on your side. Right well,

1923
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 5: Sauce goes down. They said, Mooney, you got the big guy,

1924
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 5: go get him. And then he's on them all day long.

1925
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 5: What's long day?

1926
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 2: Man?

1927
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 5: So you know, if it doesn't get easier, and the

1928
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 5: and the taxing nature of that, it's just really tough

1929
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 5: to deal.

1930
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Speaker 4: With, Stephen. What is it going to take or what

1931
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 4: is it about? You know mckhaigh Blackman that lou Any

1932
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 4: Rumo loves because I watch him play and I'm like,

1933
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 4: the guy's either getting beat or they ran to his side.

1934
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,600
Speaker 4: On the Nico Collins touchdown, Ryan and he looked like

1935
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 4: a kid in like Walmart or something when they lose

1936
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:15,680
Speaker 4: track of their parents. Their arms are out to the

1937
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 4: side and completely befuddled on where they're supposed to be.

1938
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 4: And he's the guy that's in the backfield right there

1939
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 4: with a chance to either stop or slow down Woody Marks,

1940
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 4: and he looked like he wanted to know business of

1941
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:26,640
Speaker 4: doing that.

1942
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 5: So when the Colts did for him, because remember that

1943
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 5: was a trade in the I think right before the

1944
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:38,200
Speaker 5: start of the regular season, the Colts made that trade

1945
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 5: with the Vikings and brought him here. I asked a

1946
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 5: I asked a reporter in Minnesota for a scotting report.

1947
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 5: The scotting report was as follows, He's not very good.

1948
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:54,759
Speaker 5: That was it, and that has proven to be true.

1949
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: It's proven to be true.

1950
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,560
Speaker 5: I hate to say it, and I'm beating up on

1951
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:02,560
Speaker 5: the guy, but I agree, I wholeheartedly agree. I do

1952
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 5: not know why he's playing over Jalen Jones, and I

1953
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:11,760
Speaker 5: vehemently disagree. Now Bluanna Roumo doesn't give a damn, But

1954
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 5: I'm just telling you, if he asked, that's what I'd

1955
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 5: tell him. I don't know, and I just think Jalen Jones.

1956
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:21,479
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that he's DEONN. Sanners in his prime,

1957
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 5: but I mean, just look at the physical differences, right.

1958
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:30,680
Speaker 5: One guy that's undersized, really undersized in Blackman. The other

1959
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 5: guy looks like he was made in a lab where

1960
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 5: they make defensive backs, so and the other guy has

1961
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:41,840
Speaker 5: also started an entire season and a half since he

1962
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:45,880
Speaker 5: was drafted. I can't say that for Makai Blackman, I

1963
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 5: can say either one of those things. So it's very

1964
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 5: bigh to me. I'll tell you this is a a

1965
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 5: thing you tend to see with Anna Rumo, though this

1966
01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 5: happened in Cincinnati as well, which is, he has some

1967
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:04,400
Speaker 5: very strong preferences when it comes to personnel, and it

1968
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 5: might just come down to, like, I trust this guy

1969
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:10,800
Speaker 5: to execute three or four coverages that I like a lot,

1970
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna play him, whereas the other guy's a

1971
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 5: better player. But maybe he has He's basing his decision

1972
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 5: on one little aspect of the situation and the rest

1973
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 5: of us might see it a lot differently. But that's

1974
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 5: that's what he has done in his history.

1975
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 1: Steven, I realize what the standings are, okay, but I

1976
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 1: want you to tell me in your thought, in your

1977
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 1: gut when you analyze top to bottom. And I know

1978
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 1: that this is fluid over the course of a year,

1979
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:43,120
Speaker 1: but right now, to start December, tell me the four

1980
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 1: best teams in the AFC.

1981
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 5: H all right, I put New England in there. I

1982
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 5: don't think they're as good as eleven and two. Okay,

1983
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 5: I think their the records are will inflated, but you know,

1984
01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:03,679
Speaker 5: look it is what it is, right eleven and two? Uh, Patriots.

1985
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:05,720
Speaker 2: Broncos.

1986
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 5: I think because I I just think that much of

1987
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 5: Sean Payton. I mean a ten too anyway, But I'm

1988
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 5: just saying, like I think Sean Payton is is the

1989
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 5: real deal.

1990
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

1991
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 5: Beyond that, it gets murky. I would say, hmm, it

1992
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 5: really is tough. I mean, I think I want to

1993
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 5: put the Colts in there, but I don't. It just

1994
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 5: doesn't feel like the trajectory there.

1995
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 2: You know.

1996
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 1: Let me give you a couple of teams, and I

1997
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:34,639
Speaker 1: want you to tell me if you think the Colts

1998
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: are better, same as or below? Right now? You ready?

1999
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 5: Okay? Yeah?

2000
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 1: The Chargers and I don't know they beat them, I

2001
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 1: get it, right, Chargers.

2002
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:48,479
Speaker 5: Above such an underwhelming team.

2003
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 1: They're the same, okay, ravens.

2004
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 5: Uh, I would say, uh, same because they have they

2005
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:03,320
Speaker 5: both have lost.

2006
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 1: And then lastly, the Buffalo Bills.

2007
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 5: Hmm, I like the Bills better. I just the quarterback

2008
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:17,800
Speaker 5: is just the quarterbacks frankly, I mean comparable running game

2009
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 5: and and much superior quarterback.

2010
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:25,760
Speaker 1: I just feel like the AFC and that's why it's

2011
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 1: wide open. It's wide open. Yeah, I mean there's just

2012
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 1: this and that that's.

2013
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,680
Speaker 5: They have that going for them. So so that is

2014
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 5: that's the beauty of this, right, Like you want to

2015
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 5: play at home, so you want to win the division.

2016
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 5: But at the same time, you know, like if they

2017
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 5: let's say, you know, Baltimore wins the AFC North or something,

2018
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 5: and you got to go play Baltimore on the road

2019
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:50,600
Speaker 5: in the as a wildcard. This is a totally hypothetical situation, right,

2020
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 5: but like, say you got to go play Baltimore on

2021
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 5: the road as a wildcard. I mean, okay, all right,

2022
01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 5: bring it on, you know what I mean. I mean,

2023
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 5: that's not the scenario that you want. All I'm saying is,

2024
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 5: I think you make a great point. You know, New

2025
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 5: England's probably getting that by unless the Broncos pulled out,

2026
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 5: so you're going to avoid them for a little bit.

2027
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 5: That first round is going to be a very winnable

2028
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 5: game no matter who it is.

2029
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:19,200
Speaker 1: I feel like now, at the beginning of the year, Eddie,

2030
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 1: we both had to pick the team that we thought

2031
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 1: was going to be surprisingly good. You said New England.

2032
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 1: They're eleven and two. I said, the Raiders. It looks

2033
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 1: like you won that one, right, ye.

2034
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

2035
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I last missed between Pete Carroll. I

2036
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 1: just I felt like the Raiders, you know, rock Bauers,

2037
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I thought the Raiders would be decent.

2038
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 1: That's a train wreck, right it is.

2039
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:43,680
Speaker 5: Well, look, they missed on two things. They missed on

2040
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 5: the quarterback on Gino, which no one necessarily predicted. But

2041
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 5: they missed on the quarterback, and they missed on the

2042
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:53,240
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator Trip Kelly. The stories that came out after

2043
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 5: he got fired were hilarious that like he was calling

2044
01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 5: stuff that wasn't even on the place.

2045
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 1: She yeah, it's like Bob, he is right, yeah, Gino.

2046
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:04,760
Speaker 5: Smith's looking looking at the sideline like, what the hell

2047
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:05,639
Speaker 5: are you talking about?

2048
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 2: This?

2049
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:07,520
Speaker 5: Incredible?

2050
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:12,519
Speaker 1: How did that's the coordinator of the offense, not the offense?

2051
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:15,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have no idea.

2052
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 5: He's like, we didn't even talk about that play this week.

2053
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 5: Why are you calling that?

2054
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 2: You know?

2055
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 5: That's incredible, incredible story. So you know, that's that's what

2056
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 5: happens after people get fired. You you finally learned the

2057
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:29,960
Speaker 5: truth you know, maybe there's some exaggeration, but I choose

2058
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:30,439
Speaker 5: to believe it.

2059
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 1: What's the latest that you're working on at ESPN dot com.

2060
01:50:35,439 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 5: So how did we get here? What happened to the Colts?

2061
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:43,200
Speaker 5: I think there's I highlighted five different things that I

2062
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:48,640
Speaker 5: think have have contributed to where they are and and

2063
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:51,639
Speaker 5: one I'll give you one real quick. We're probably coming

2064
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:54,559
Speaker 5: up on a break, but one of them is if

2065
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:57,439
Speaker 5: you go back early in the season, on first downs,

2066
01:50:57,479 --> 01:51:01,960
Speaker 5: the Colts were absolutely murdering people seven point two yards

2067
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,839
Speaker 5: per play on first down, which is the second highest

2068
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 5: in the last fifteen years. Okay, that has fallen dramatically,

2069
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:12,280
Speaker 5: and that's how you end up in third and long

2070
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 5: all day long, and you go three for ten on

2071
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 5: third down.

2072
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the third down efficiency on Sunday

2073
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 1: was terrible.

2074
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 5: Awful, awful. So the only team, by the way I'm

2075
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 5: talking about through eight weeks, the only team in the

2076
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:29,560
Speaker 5: last fifteen years to have a better first down performance

2077
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:32,080
Speaker 5: is the twenty sixteen Falcons.

2078
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:36,799
Speaker 1: Think about that, the twenty sixteen Falcons.

2079
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:40,760
Speaker 5: Yep, that's the Super Bowl team. Yep. That was twenty

2080
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:41,000
Speaker 5: eight to.

2081
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Three, twenty eight to three, Baby twenty eight to three,

2082
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:47,560
Speaker 1: back when Matt Ryan was Matt Ryan, before he was

2083
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:50,080
Speaker 1: Colts Matt Ryan and now, and that's what I hate

2084
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 1: to say this man. I thought Daniel Jones looked like

2085
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan Colts Mobility on Sunday. But that's the leg

2086
01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 1: I get it right, And we got to say fair enough,

2087
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 1: overcome that. Steven appreciate the time as always. All Right,

2088
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 1: you got it a' Steven Holder joining us at ESPN

2089
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:07,639
Speaker 1: dot com. Did you say we got tickets to give

2090
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: away Eddie more Lee Crue tickets Mottley Crue, Yes, yes, yes,

2091
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 1: the Crue. Baby. What's your favorite Motley Crue song? I'll

2092
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:16,880
Speaker 1: come back with it. How about that? All right? Sounds good?

2093
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:18,720
Speaker 1: And we'll give the tickets away for Motley Crue. That's

2094
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:20,800
Speaker 1: an August concert if I'm not mistaken, right, coming up

2095
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 1: in the summer. Yes, I will give away the tickets next. Okay,

2096
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:29,720
Speaker 1: so tickets to give away for Motley Crue. You know,

2097
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:32,439
Speaker 1: I don't. I gotta think I take that back. I

2098
01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 1: saw Motley Crue at Gamebridge, I don't know, maybe seven

2099
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:40,759
Speaker 1: or eight years ago, and it was like NonStop energy.

2100
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:44,400
Speaker 1: Now they handed the camera to the crowd and let

2101
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:47,120
Speaker 1: the crowd pin around and put themselves up on the

2102
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:51,320
Speaker 1: video board and that got interesting. Oh boy, I think

2103
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 1: that definitely got interesting. Was there a some nudity, Uh, yes,

2104
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 1: but it was. It was a fun show. It was

2105
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 1: an awesome show. And the tickets that we have to

2106
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 1: give away. Eddie always determines when you know, when he's

2107
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 1: playing Santa Claus basically and is giving these things away.

2108
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:14,320
Speaker 1: We always allow Eddie to determine the fashion in which

2109
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:17,639
Speaker 1: we will do it. What I always appreciate is because

2110
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:21,120
Speaker 1: you assume when you do what we do for a living.

2111
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:24,439
Speaker 1: I always assume that like no one's listening. Literally, you

2112
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 1: hear me say that all the time. I have I'm

2113
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:31,880
Speaker 1: self conscious about it. Okay, And the other day I

2114
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 1: was out and a guy comes up and said, you know,

2115
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:38,400
Speaker 1: said hello, which I always appreciate. And then I always

2116
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:40,599
Speaker 1: ask people, you know, just out of curiosity, like how

2117
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:43,120
Speaker 1: do they appreciate that you appreciate the hello, just the hello?

2118
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 1: Well this, no, I appreciate that someone says like, hey,

2119
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: I listened to the show, you know, And I said,

2120
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:52,559
Speaker 1: because I'm always kind of incredulous about it, And I said, well,

2121
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:55,840
Speaker 1: how do you know what I look like, because it's radio,

2122
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:59,240
Speaker 1: it's not television. And this guy actually said, as soon

2123
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:01,280
Speaker 1: as you talk, because we were in a store and

2124
01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 1: I was asking for something, and he said, I heard

2125
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 1: you talking, and I knew that it was your voice,

2126
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:08,280
Speaker 1: very flattering and very appreciative, and I told him the

2127
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 1: same thing. I just assumed that nobody's ever listening. So

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Speaker 1: then when we give tickets away as we're doing for

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01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:17,280
Speaker 1: Motley Crue August twenty eighth at Ruoff, August the twenty

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01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:23,839
Speaker 1: eighth at Ruoff is the date for these tickets, Tesla

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01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:28,880
Speaker 1: and Extreme will also be there. Now, Extreme car, that's right,

2132
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:34,560
Speaker 1: the Tesla, not the car, but the band. Okay, okay, signs.

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01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 1: Tesla will be there and then Extreme. Now I think

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01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:43,800
Speaker 1: Extreme didn't Extreme do more than words? Am I off

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01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:45,760
Speaker 1: on that? I always get Extreme? And then there was

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01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 1: another one. Somebody helped me out here. Look up more

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01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 1: than words, Eddie, and see who did that? That song

2138
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:55,280
Speaker 1: more than words.

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01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 7: Is on?

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01:54:57,080 --> 01:55:00,440
Speaker 1: I ever, Neine. I was sure as heck, wasn't you? Yes,

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01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 1: it was Extreme, Okay, that's what I thought. That song

2142
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 1: when it came out the Spring Breakup my senior year

2143
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:10,400
Speaker 1: of high school, was massive, massive song in what fashion

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01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:12,280
Speaker 1: are we giving away? Said tickets? Any? We have two

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01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:15,040
Speaker 1: parody to give away? Jake? So too? Yeah too? Wah,

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01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 1: thanks Jakes. You owed me a coke? Okay, and we're

2147
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 1: doing that in what fashion? You want to do some

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01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:21,680
Speaker 1: get to know your listeners? Oh that's always fun. Who

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01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 1: do we have lined up? We will go with Jeff. Hi, Jeff,

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01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:24,920
Speaker 1: how are you?

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01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm doing great?

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01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 9: How are you doing?

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01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 2: Jake?

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01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 1: You know I'm tired today, Jeff? But energy grade?

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01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 2: Uh?

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01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:35,000
Speaker 1: Jeff? Have you called the program before? I have a

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01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:35,800
Speaker 1: long time ago?

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01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 2: Uh?

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01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:38,880
Speaker 1: And but you're still listening now? Is your radio broken?

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01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:39,600
Speaker 1: Is that the problem?

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01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:40,680
Speaker 8: Na?

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01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:42,840
Speaker 5: We were on a two hour delay today.

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01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:45,400
Speaker 9: I'm a teacher and so I was able to get

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01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:47,640
Speaker 9: a little prep period here in sketching the show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, Jeff, if you don't mind me asking, you

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01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 1: said you're a teacher. We commended that profession. You would

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01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 1: be teaching what grade right now?

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01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:57,760
Speaker 9: I'm teaching kindergarten through fifth physical education?

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01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 2: Oh?

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01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:01,200
Speaker 1: Nice? Okay? And this do you mind? Are you allowed

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01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 1: to say the school?

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01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:03,800
Speaker 5: I'm on prep?

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01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 9: It's not like I'm in class. Yeah, I'm at school

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01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 9: fifty seven on the east Side in IRVINGTONCE.

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01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 1: Okay, outstanding, And then now do you still let me

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01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:16,280
Speaker 1: ask you this from the physical education standpoint? One of

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01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:19,280
Speaker 1: my favorite things to do, and apparently this is other

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01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:20,880
Speaker 1: people have mentioned this as well. Do you have a

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01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:22,040
Speaker 1: parachute the kids play with?

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01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:24,200
Speaker 9: Usually on field day?

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01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 2: We do.

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01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 5: On field day we get the parachute out.

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01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:30,440
Speaker 1: Just out of curiosity because I loved the parachute and

2185
01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 1: mister Belkie at als Mill Elementary School was fabulous and

2186
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,280
Speaker 1: coming up with games for it. But who was the

2187
01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:37,920
Speaker 1: first person that decided the parachute would be a good idea?

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01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 1: And what sort of physical education do we get out

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01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:40,400
Speaker 1: of that?

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01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:43,840
Speaker 9: I guess you're getting an arm exercise out of it,

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01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:47,440
Speaker 9: and you know, in balance trying to keep the bullet

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01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 9: that you have on there. But I know that they

2193
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:52,160
Speaker 9: don't make them like they used to. I mean, you

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01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 9: can't find one at the school I'm at. We have

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01:56:54,320 --> 01:56:56,880
Speaker 9: one that's probably been here since the sixties, but they

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01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:58,879
Speaker 9: don't make them as that quality anymore.

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01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:02,280
Speaker 1: Really, so don't go Parachuting's what you're saying. Right, Do

2198
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:04,120
Speaker 1: we see an increase in parachute accidents?

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01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:05,160
Speaker 5: I don't know.

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01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:06,480
Speaker 9: That's the parachuting's not for me.

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01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 1: Have you ever been skydiving? No, Eddie, have you been skydiving?

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01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:10,320
Speaker 2: I have not.

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01:57:11,120 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 1: I've been twice, that's my and that's more one more

2204
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:15,640
Speaker 1: time than I needed to. But at least, I, you know,

2205
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 1: successfully did it twice. Okay, Jeff. Do you like Motley Crue?

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01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:20,080
Speaker 2: I do.

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01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:22,840
Speaker 9: I was supposed to see them in Buffalo when COVID

2208
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:24,520
Speaker 9: hit and the tour was canceled.

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01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:26,240
Speaker 1: Were you living in Buffalo or did you decide to

2210
01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:27,600
Speaker 1: go speeding a weekend in Buffalo?

2211
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:29,839
Speaker 9: I was going to go spend a weekend in Buffalo

2212
01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:32,120
Speaker 9: go to Niagara Falls as a trip never came through.

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01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:33,920
Speaker 1: Have you been? Have you done it since?

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01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:34,640
Speaker 2: No?

2215
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:37,560
Speaker 1: Niagara Falls is fabulous. Let me tell you something and

2216
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 1: I you know what. I'd go to Niagara Falls as

2217
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 1: a kid and my buddy Byron and I on the

2218
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: road trip we do each year. This most recent installment,

2219
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:46,280
Speaker 1: we went to Buffalo. We went to Niagara Falls, and

2220
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 1: I thought to myself that it was going to be

2221
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:51,520
Speaker 1: like this cheesy tourist deal. And because I went as

2222
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 1: a kid, you know so, I thought, ah, that's probably

2223
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:54,880
Speaker 1: just seems big on my mind because I was a kid,

2224
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. It really is unbelievable. You really should go.

2225
01:57:58,120 --> 01:57:59,720
Speaker 1: So I can't get you to Niagara Falls, but I

2226
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 1: can get you to go see the crew, so we

2227
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 1: will hook you up with the tickets. Jeff, I appreciate

2228
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:06,880
Speaker 1: it and appreciate the work you're doing with the kids. Eddie.

2229
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:08,280
Speaker 1: Who's the other one we have lined up? We have

2230
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 1: Austin and we have Jake. Well, I think we know

2231
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: which way I'd go with that, Austin. It is just kidding, Jake, Jake,

2232
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:16,960
Speaker 1: what's up?

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01:58:18,640 --> 01:58:20,080
Speaker 2: Hey, Jake? How are you? You know?

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01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm well. How old a fella are you? Jake? Oh?

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01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 1: We're the same age, then, Jake? Have we talked before?

2236
01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 1: Have you called the show before?

2237
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:33,080
Speaker 5: Never talked to you on the phone before, But I

2238
01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:37,120
Speaker 5: have met you at a colts meet and greet years ago.

2239
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 1: Was I nice guy? Or was I jerk?

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01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 2: No?

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01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:41,400
Speaker 5: You're pretty good.

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01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:43,000
Speaker 2: I think you hit on my girlfriend, but you other

2243
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:43,880
Speaker 2: than that, you're pretty good.

2244
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:46,280
Speaker 1: No, hold on, and what way did I hit on

2245
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:49,240
Speaker 1: your girlfriend? I'm just kidding.

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01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 5: She's sitting right here, so I'm just I'm making her line.

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01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 1: Now, put her on the phone what it was, and

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01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:57,960
Speaker 1: put her on the phone. Lord, Hi, Jake, Hell, and

2249
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:01,600
Speaker 1: your name is missus Jake. What's your name? I'm Jenny.

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Speaker 2: I'm his wife now.

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01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:08,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, Judy, you said Jenny Jenny. Okay, So Jenny,

2252
01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:10,480
Speaker 1: just out of curiosity, is this fact or fiction that

2253
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:13,600
Speaker 1: that I was overly friendly towards you when I met Jake?

2254
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:17,000
Speaker 5: I need I don't know what can we go in between?

2255
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:20,640
Speaker 1: I told you I'm a folksy guy. I'm a nice guy.

2256
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm a very listen Okay, So Jake, let me ask

2257
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:26,320
Speaker 1: you this. You listen how often you listen to the program? Jake?

2258
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 2: Oh?

2259
01:59:27,880 --> 01:59:28,760
Speaker 5: Pretty much every day.

2260
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm in sales. Okay. My girlfriend's name is go can

2261
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:32,760
Speaker 1: you name it?

2262
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:34,360
Speaker 5: Oh?

2263
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember.

2264
01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:41,440
Speaker 1: You're not helping me out here, because see I'm hoping

2265
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:43,040
Speaker 1: if she's listening, which she doesn't know that I do

2266
01:59:43,080 --> 01:59:44,720
Speaker 1: a radio show. But if she is, she's got a

2267
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:47,440
Speaker 1: basier crush on JV. Yeah, She's saying to herself, She's like,

2268
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:49,720
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you were you were talking to Jenny,

2269
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 1: and now you never mentioned me on the air. That

2270
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:55,120
Speaker 1: would be Shannon, by the way, Jake, Shannon, Jake, just

2271
01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:59,440
Speaker 1: out of curiosity, Jake, and I was going to ask

2272
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:01,400
Speaker 1: you if you thought the name you know, helped out

2273
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:03,760
Speaker 1: with the ladies. But we won't go there, so let

2274
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 1: me ask you this question, Jake, when you were a kid,

2275
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:08,400
Speaker 1: since we are of the same age range, which more

2276
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:10,680
Speaker 1: often did people do and say to you? Did they

2277
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:12,800
Speaker 1: call you flaky Jake? Or did they tell you to

2278
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:14,720
Speaker 1: go bake a cake? Which one did you hear more

2279
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:15,600
Speaker 1: often in childhood?

2280
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:17,800
Speaker 5: I heard neither one of those?

2281
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:23,320
Speaker 1: Mine was mine? Was Jake the snake or the snake Roberts? Yes,

2282
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:26,520
Speaker 1: I did hear that, although clearly I grew up with

2283
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:30,960
Speaker 1: more creative kids than yourself. But yes, Jake the snake

2284
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:33,360
Speaker 1: for sure. And don't step on a rake was also

2285
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:34,960
Speaker 1: a common one. I'm talking like when I was four

2286
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:37,240
Speaker 1: or five years old? Right, all right, So do you

2287
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:38,360
Speaker 1: like Motley Crue? Jake?

2288
02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:40,080
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

2289
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:43,120
Speaker 1: You know, apparently this will shock you. My favorite song

2290
02:00:43,160 --> 02:00:45,480
Speaker 1: from Motley Crue is Girls, Girls, Girls, Right. I mean

2291
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:47,400
Speaker 1: I know that that'll stun you here apparently right, and

2292
02:00:47,480 --> 02:00:50,120
Speaker 1: Jenny seems stunned as well. We will get you guys

2293
02:00:50,240 --> 02:00:52,520
Speaker 1: on your way to roo off to go see Motley Crue.

2294
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:54,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate you listening to the show. Got me in

2295
02:00:54,680 --> 02:00:57,880
Speaker 1: trouble there though, Eddie, come on, I didn't do anything.

2296
02:00:59,320 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 1: I get to call get to know your listener, turned

2297
02:01:01,720 --> 02:01:04,120
Speaker 1: in to get to know your host right in just

2298
02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:07,440
Speaker 1: a little bit, I'm telling you right now. And Jake

2299
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:09,920
Speaker 1: was standing right there apparently when this indiscretion took place.

2300
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:11,960
Speaker 1: We'll come back, we'll find out what jmv's got lined

2301
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:13,520
Speaker 1: up for the big program. We'll do it as part

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Speaker 1: of the Crossover, brought to you by the good Guys

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02:01:15,240 --> 02:01:18,400
Speaker 1: and Love Heating Their Love Dash HVAC dot com. Three

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02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:20,760
Speaker 1: one seven three five three twenty one forty one is

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02:01:20,840 --> 02:01:26,320
Speaker 1: the telephone number. Thanks to Steven Holder Scott Agnes for

2306
02:01:26,520 --> 02:01:29,560
Speaker 1: joining us on the program today. Dave Rebsen as well.

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02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:32,880
Speaker 1: Indiana and Ohio State Big Ten Title game coming up

2308
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:36,560
Speaker 1: on Saturday evening Lucas Oil Stadium, Indiana and Louisville in

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02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:41,200
Speaker 1: basketball Saturday after noon Gamebridge Field House. JMV has arrived

2310
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:43,960
Speaker 1: getting set for his program. Who's your favorite all time

2311
02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:48,600
Speaker 1: Louisville Cardinal player. That's a really good question. You know,

2312
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:51,200
Speaker 1: I really liked Louisville as a kid because Denny Crumb

2313
02:01:51,240 --> 02:01:53,040
Speaker 1: and my dad kind of looked alike. I would say

2314
02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:57,000
Speaker 1: Rodney McCrae. Maybe I'm disappointed though Hervis Ellison.

2315
02:01:57,160 --> 02:01:59,720
Speaker 7: No, I'm disappointed because you didn't say Jeff Hall and

2316
02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:01,400
Speaker 7: his grape smuggling house.

2317
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 1: Jeff Hall would be very high at my man, there

2318
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:09,440
Speaker 1: was no room to maneuver and his drawers. You know what,

2319
02:02:10,200 --> 02:02:15,520
Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty six, Jeff Hall no room. He

2320
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:19,040
Speaker 1: did have some John Stockton's going on is what's funny.

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Speaker 7: One of the better teams of the nineteen eighties was

2322
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:24,360
Speaker 7: that eighty three team that lost to the semi finals

2323
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:27,240
Speaker 7: to Houston and Albuquerque. That was one of the better teams,

2324
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:29,879
Speaker 7: not just Louisville teams, but college basketball.

2325
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Speaker 1: Do you remember what happened in that game? Well didn't.

2326
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:38,600
Speaker 1: It was a famous or infamous moment that took place

2327
02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:41,320
Speaker 1: with a coach in that game. Oh yeah, guy Lewis

2328
02:02:41,320 --> 02:02:44,280
Speaker 1: threw his towel. Correct, Scooter McCrae, I think right, yeah, yeah,

2329
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:47,560
Speaker 1: he threw his towel out there and they called it tactical.

2330
02:02:47,800 --> 02:02:50,880
Speaker 1: That did that did not go well? That was such

2331
02:02:50,920 --> 02:02:52,480
Speaker 1: a good I was just talking about that Final four

2332
02:02:52,600 --> 02:02:55,800
Speaker 1: last night, the eighty three Final four, which featured North

2333
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:59,920
Speaker 1: Carolina State, Houston, Louisville, and Georgia. Georgia is the fourteen,

2334
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:03,360
Speaker 1: that is correct, And that was the year I think

2335
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:07,360
Speaker 1: Dominic Wilkins left the year before, right he did. Yeah, yeah, man,

2336
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:08,640
Speaker 1: that was are such fun times.

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02:03:08,760 --> 02:03:11,280
Speaker 7: That was an incredible time. Many can you imagine they

2338
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:13,080
Speaker 7: played it? And I know that's a great place to play,

2339
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:15,880
Speaker 7: everybody loves it, but let's be on, it's a crap

2340
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:17,520
Speaker 7: hole by final four standards.

2341
02:03:17,560 --> 02:03:19,600
Speaker 1: Can you imagine them playing in that? So I went

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Speaker 1: to the pit I don't know, probably seven years ago

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Speaker 1: and went out and like reenacted the the Derek Wittenberg

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Speaker 1: shot and you know the whole deal, right, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a seventeen thousand seed arena. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember in the in the mid nineties the NCAA tried

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Speaker 1: to go back to that, to the final four of

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Speaker 1: like playing in the smaller arenas. They went to Charlotte

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Speaker 1: in ninety four, I think, And I mean and then

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, look, if you can get seventy thousand,

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Speaker 1: you can get you can play it in those big venues, right.

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Speaker 1: But I just loved Do you remember when when ESPN

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Speaker 1: used to do like the thirty minute like vignettes afterwards,

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Speaker 1: like recapturing the final four, and I love those that

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Speaker 1: used to be in the afternoonist of these yip yappers.

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Speaker 1: That's that's exactly right.

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Speaker 7: I would rather watch log rolling than Steven A. Smith

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Speaker 7: and these master debaters took.

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Speaker 1: It up in the early days of ESPN. What were

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Speaker 1: your so we were just having this discussion the other

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Speaker 1: day with somebody. To my answer, I was always going

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Speaker 1: to be watching Kana Tom do anything myself pleasure vation. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what. Kana Tom floated my boat, buddy.

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Speaker 1: What about what about the roller derby the l A

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Speaker 1: Thunderbirds and one of the gals on that that was

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Speaker 1: also on ESPN back in the day.

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Speaker 7: I can't imagine how am I not in better shape

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Speaker 7: back then? Because all I did was watching Denise Austin

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Speaker 7: and Kana Tom. I should have been doing the aerobics

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Speaker 7: along with him.

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Speaker 1: But watching Australian rules football. How much of that did

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Speaker 1: you watch? There was a point in time when Kanana

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Speaker 1: Tom was the hottest chick on earth, undoubtedly, right, I

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Speaker 1: mean I me.

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Speaker 7: She was in Playboy too, and I have that Playboy somewhere.

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Speaker 7: I'm not getting rid of it. It may actually be

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Speaker 7: back there. I may be packing that up a little

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Speaker 7: bit later on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when we move right, Yeah, so we're gonna move.

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Speaker 1: I got boxes in, only a couple of boxes.

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Speaker 7: Are We're going to have like a memorial walk out

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Speaker 7: escalator parade like one time that I've worked here.

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Speaker 1: The escalator may work. Maybe a little escalator parade. We

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Speaker 1: can all get stuck in the elevator together. That happened

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Speaker 1: to me, great, wouldn't it happened to me the other day?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and then maybe you know, we'll play the horns

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Speaker 7: that happens when you flush the toilets.

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Speaker 1: Here for those who don't know. We're moving buildings from

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Speaker 1: Wethers building just falling apart too, by the way. So

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Speaker 1: it's a good fag, it really is. So now I

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Speaker 1: should should we not divulge the parking dilemma that's going on? Well,

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Speaker 1: here's what I'm keeping my card and see if it's

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Speaker 1: going to be useful. I know later.

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Speaker 7: I know, like I have like three cards, so I'm

2395
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:53,440
Speaker 7: gonna give them like two that don't work and then

2396
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Speaker 7: keep my one at work so see if I can

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Speaker 7: still get in here.

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Speaker 1: The parking situation is awesome. Thought bad that I'm telling

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Speaker 1: everybody that right now, I don't know that I would.

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Speaker 1: A good magician never reveals his tread. So what is

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Speaker 1: on the show today, John.

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Speaker 7: Danny Canell is going to talk like you've been talking

2403
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Speaker 7: about IU Ohio State. The rest of the championship games.

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Speaker 7: We'll talk about Fernando Mendoza. Danny Canell joins us. I

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Speaker 7: know Greg Rakesrow with the high school football state title games.

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Speaker 7: That was an outstanding Friday and Saturday. And JJ with

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Speaker 7: a not so outstanding Pacer game last night, but it

2408
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Speaker 7: was better than Myles Turner and Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you that it was.

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Speaker 7: Hey, jannest is so gone. You should I watched him

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Speaker 7: last night. He is so checked out. And maybe it's

2412
02:06:37,120 --> 02:06:39,480
Speaker 7: because it's this time of the season. He is so

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Speaker 7: checked out from what is going on. That is not

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Speaker 7: a door for sure. And like I said, Miles is

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Speaker 7: going to be left with Karl Anthony Towns and Miles

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Speaker 7: McBride and Ryan Rollins and Jericho Simms.

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Speaker 1: That should be great. All right, don's up next. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back with you. I appreciate you listening to Query

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Speaker 1: and Company. Back at noon tomorrow