1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: And good afternoon, and welcome to the Gun Guy Show 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: here on ninety three WIBC. We've got a lot to 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: talk about, as we always do. What did IMPD recently 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: say about protesters with guns? Is the ATF maintaining the 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: legal database contrary to the Firearm Owners Protection Action nineteen 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: eighty six? That why is a magazine locking device manufacturer? 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: If you live in Indiana, like most of our listening audience, 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: you probably have no idea what a magazine locking device 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: even is, since no such things required here. But there 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: is such a thing, and a company who makes them 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: is actually going to pay the victims of the mass 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: shooting last year in Buffalo, New York, a whole bunch 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: of money. And why is that. We'll get into all 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: those things, and as always, take your calls. We love 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: it when our listeners call in and participate in the broadcast. 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: Three one seven two three nine ninety three is the number. 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: We'll take your calls throughout the show. Three one seven 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: two three nine ninety three ninety three. But before we 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: do all of that, I'm really excited about our first guest. 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: I've been excited about this conversation really since I recently 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: went out to Wisconsin and I went to the headquarters 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: of the US Concealed Carry Association. And I've talked about 23 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: this on the show a couple of times and how 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: much I enjoyed going out there. But I did an 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: interview as part of that trip for what's called the 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: Attorney Insider series that's published by broadcast by the US 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: Concealed Carry Association. I need to be a USCCA member 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: to see that, as well as to utilize the other 29 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: resources that USCCA provides online and otherwise. But I did 30 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: that interview with the director of Training and Education for 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: us CCA, and that's a gentleman named Rob Chadwick. And 32 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: I've mentioned Rob before. You've seen me post or rep 33 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: some of his social media interviews or his Fox News 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: interviews more accurately, and I tend to screw up his 35 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: resume more often than not. So I'll have Rob go 36 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: go into all of that. But right now on the 37 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: drive Hubler dot com hotline, we've got Director of Training 38 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: and Education for u s CCA, Rob Chatwick. So Rob, 39 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I consider you a friend, even 40 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: though we only just spent a morning and afternoon together. 41 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: But I can't tell you how I am that you 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: called in. Thanks so much. Yeah, it's great to be 43 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: with you. 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: Man. 45 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 3: I really enjoyed listening to your intro there. 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: I can't imagine a stronger one. Love that love that bumper. Yeah, 47 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: that's fun. 48 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: When they offered me a radio show here at w ABC, 49 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: like I don't know, eleven plus years ago out I 50 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: guess now we you know, we were talking about how 51 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: that would work, and I said, well, wait a minute, 52 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: can I choose my own theme song? And the program 53 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: director was like, what are you talking about? And I 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: wanted the big Head Todd and the Wailers and the 55 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: boom boom boom song. That was like my only condition. 56 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: You don't have to pay me anything. I'll come down 57 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: to do radio, but I want that theme song. So 58 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun with that. But hey, 59 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, some folks listening on the 60 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: radio may not even fully understand what u s CCA 61 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: is the US Concealed Carry Association. Let's start there. Uh, 62 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: tell folks a little bit about u s CCA. What 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: they what they ought to know? 64 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, I'll tell you what the USCCA is. 65 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: The United States Concealed Carry Association's been around a little 66 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: over twenty years and it is. It is the fastest 67 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: growing Second Amendment organization in the country. We have we're 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: nearing nine hundred thousand members. Guys, you know, people just 69 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: like you and me who are concerned about you know, 70 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 3: protecting themselves their families, doing it the right way. And 71 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: you know, the members of the USCCA when you join, 72 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: the minute you join, you have access to I believe, 73 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: unmatched training education resources. We have a online and resource 74 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: that is unmatched that you know, you and I did. 75 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: A piece for it. 76 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: We talk about a little bit, uh, the Attorney Insider 77 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: series that resides on our Protector Academy, and that is 78 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: that is for our members to you know, log in 79 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: and train at home, whether it's you know, on your 80 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 3: on your cell phone, you know, on your way home 81 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: from work or something. But uh, we're on the desktop 82 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: or anywhere. And that's just a piece of it. 83 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: You know. 84 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: One of the big pieces that that I think one 85 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: of the most important pieces of membership is the minute 86 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 3: you join, guy, you are covered by the U s 87 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 3: c CIA's unmatched Self Defense Liability Insurance policy. Right You're 88 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: added to this this group membership And I tell you what, man, 89 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: you know, they're there are attorneys all over the country, 90 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: some of the most experienced, including yourself, who represent our 91 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 3: members in court if they are forced to, you know, 92 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 3: into a self defense situation. And I would you and 93 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 3: I talk more about this and a little bit, I'm sure, 94 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: but you know, self defense is such an interesting and 95 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: almost a niche. 96 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: Area of the law. 97 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: You don't want just any lawyer representing you if you 98 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: have to defend yourself or your family. 99 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so true, and listen, this is real. Sometimes I 100 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: have people ask me about us CCA, and you know, 101 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: some other i'd say competitive programs out there have put 102 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: out a number of hit piece videos going after us 103 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: CCA saying, well, they don't really honor their policy and 104 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: they're looking for any excuse not to represent members who 105 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: get accused of committing a crime for a self defense 106 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: situation or get sued in a civil matter. And I 107 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: have a real quick rebuttal for him, because I represent 108 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: clients under the u SCCA's coverage and us CCA writes 109 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: the checks. And I know because I send them the 110 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: bills and they pay me. So this is not this 111 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: is not anything but a completely legitimate program. I have had, 112 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: by the way, USCCA insurance since twenty twelve. I'm one 113 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: of the ogs in terms of that INSURAN program for 114 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: my own self since I carry a gun, obviously I 115 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: may use that gun at some point. And I know 116 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: how expensive it is to defend yourself, whether it's criminal 117 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: criminal culpability that you're being accused of or in a 118 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: civil case. So that that's real and UH and I 119 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: have that relationship with U s c c A through 120 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: their insurance UH coverage. But but listen, before you came 121 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: into U s c c A, Rob, you had a 122 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: whole nother career and that was in the FBI. That 123 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: that that has to put you in a pretty uniquely 124 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: qualified position to be director of Education and Training for 125 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: U s c c A. If anything, you may be 126 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: overqualified for that position. But tell folks a little bit 127 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: about what you did at the FBI before joining U 128 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: s c c A. 129 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: I appreciate that guy, Yeah, man, I had. I had 130 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: a tremendous honor to, you know, represent the United States 131 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: as a member of the FBI, UH internationally, you know, 132 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 3: several times. But I actually started my law enforcement career 133 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: as a police officer where I grew up in Fairfax, Canterinion, 134 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 3: just outside of Washington, d the suburb of DC, and. 135 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: You know, thirty years in UH. 136 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 3: I did seven years as a as a policeman in 137 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 3: UH in Fairfax County. They actually got to be a 138 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: member of the Special Operations Division of canine handler, which 139 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: is the greatest job period. I mean, it's unbelievable how 140 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: much fun I had as a as a police canine handler. 141 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: But then had the opportunity to go with the FBI, 142 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 3: and and and then you know, I joined and first 143 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: office agent down in Miami before September eleventh, and of course, 144 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: you know, work working major drug trafficking organizations until the 145 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: morning of September eleventh, and then of course everything changed. 146 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: UH worked a lot of national security stuff. 147 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: Most of my career was spent in the tactical program UH. 148 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: And then ended up the last few years. I went 149 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: up to d C when the Attorney General Barr was 150 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: r a g under under UH President Trump his first administration. 151 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: UH. 152 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: And then when when mister Barr you know, told me 153 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: he wasn't coming back regardless of the of the outcome 154 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: of the election, and you know that I knew it 155 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: was time for another another job, because let me tell you, 156 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: man that man William William P. Barr is one of 157 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 3: the best people I know. A lot of people have 158 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: some problems with him. He had a little bit of 159 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: a falling out with the President. But there is no 160 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: more solid American, more more dedicated to the Constitution of 161 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: the United States, to religious freedoms, firearms protection. That guy 162 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: was was one of my heroes and is one. 163 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: Of my heroes. 164 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: Actually he wrote the forward to my book, which was 165 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: a tremendous honor for me, but one of he When 166 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 3: you know, when mister. 167 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: Barr said he was stepping away, I. 168 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: Had the great opportunity and just the dream job of 169 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: a lifetime. I got to run the tactical training program 170 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: at Quantico for the Bureau, in which I did for 171 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: several years before I retired. And then I found the USCCA. 172 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: I you know, as a as a law enforcement officer, 173 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 3: I hadn't really thought much about it, uh, And then 174 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: when I retired, I realized, you know, I no longer 175 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: have that qualified immunity and the federal government resources behind me. 176 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 3: When you know, when I when I got into my 177 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: car and started hitting south from Quantico Marine Corps Base 178 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: in Virginia, there I realized I am on my own man, 179 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: and I started doing my research, and as you mentioned, 180 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 3: there's some competitors, and competitions great, that's what America is 181 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 3: all about. But I settled on the USCCA guy and 182 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 3: and I've been very happy. I was a member first, 183 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: then I became an instructor because I worked with a 184 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 3: lot of private clients, and then through through several conversations, 185 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: I got invited to come, you know, apply to be 186 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 3: their Director of Education Training, which I have been for 187 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: several years now, and just transition to their my new 188 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: title is a Principal Training Advisor. We actually brought in 189 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 3: a very very good friend of mine, and you know, 190 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: anytime you have an opportunity to bring in someone better 191 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 3: onto your team, you make room. And so a guy 192 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: named Mike Sieglander, who's a great friend of mine, an 193 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: incredible shooter and one of the best instructors I've ever seen. 194 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: He literally wrote the book about firearms instructor, how to 195 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: be one, And you know, we had an opportunity to 196 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: bring them on to the team, and so we did. 197 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: And so Mike and I work very very closely together 198 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: now in the training program for the u s CCA. 199 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: Well, now you say talking about will you talk about 200 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: training and education. You know, a lot of folks think 201 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: of u s CCA just as a resource in the 202 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: sense that they put out a great magazine, there are 203 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: resources online. Their reciprocity page has been a go to 204 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: for a lot of folks. And then, of course the 205 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: carry insurance I think as a shorthand way a lot 206 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: of us refer to that insurance program. A lot of 207 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: folks don't understand that u SECA has also become a 208 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: real premier training organization that has certified instructors in every 209 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: state in the country and is doing some pretty high 210 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: end training and training a lot of Americans on how 211 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: to responsibly, safely and effectively use their firearms. And that's 212 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: not a sales pitch. I'm not a u SECA instructor personally, 213 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: but I know a lot of folks who are, and 214 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: they tend to be the better instructors in any given 215 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: area I've just observed. 216 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you what, you know. 217 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: My mission, and along with everyone else in the instruction 218 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 3: and training and education side of the house are and 219 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: including all the way up through corporate. Of course, our 220 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 3: mission is to prepare people for the before, during, and 221 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: after a self defense incident, and with the heavy infidences 222 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: on the before. If I can train somebody, if I 223 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 3: can equip them with the situational awareness and the self 224 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: confidence and you know, just the decisive decision making capability 225 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: to avoid right, It's all about early detection and avoidance. 226 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 3: Is you know I mentioned I was on a protection 227 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: detail for a long time. Man, if we had to 228 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: use our weapons in defense of the Attorney General, our 229 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: mission had failed. You know. The whole point of all 230 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: of us want to go home to our families at 231 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: the end of the day, guy, and we want to 232 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: have obviously you know, the means to protect ourselves if 233 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 3: we need to. But that's a last resort, right, That's 234 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: a last resort. 235 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: And so through education and training, we want to make 236 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 2: sure you have. 237 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: The skills and the confidence and the confidence to defend 238 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: yourself and then of course the legal resources to defend 239 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 3: yourself if you're forced to do so. 240 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I mean. That pretty much is 241 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: putting together the whole package. And I love that approach. 242 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We're a little past a quarter 243 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: a hour, Rob, Can you come back for another segment 244 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: because you mentioned just quickly that a former Attorney General 245 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: William Barr wrote the forward to your book, Well, that's 246 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 1: a book called a practical guide. Let me start that over, 247 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: A Practical Guide to Personal Security, and it's subtitled and 248 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: I love this, become a competent and confident stakeholder in 249 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: your own safety. Becoming a stakeholder in your own safety 250 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: is pretty much everything I stand for within the Second 251 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: Amendment community. And so that hit accord with me when 252 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: I saw that you'd written this book. I have a copy. 253 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: I've got it right here in the studio. I've read it, 254 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: and it's a very valuable resource. I really want to 255 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: talk about your book, and have you described that for folks. 256 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: Let folks know where they can get their hands on 257 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: one as well. 258 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: Look forward to it. 259 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: All right, we'll be right back. We're taking a break. 260 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on 261 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: ninety three WIBC, and welcome back on Guy Relford on 262 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC. We're on 263 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: the phone with Rob Chadwick of the US Concealed Carry 264 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: Association and Rob not only coming out of his role 265 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: as a director of training and Education for USCCA, also 266 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: an author and has has published a book The Practical 267 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: Guide to Personal Security subtitled Become a competent and confident 268 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: stakeholder in your own safety and rob First of all, 269 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: what motivated you to put this together? Because this is 270 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: just what it sounds like. It's a practical guide. It's 271 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: really a roadmap on how to be prepared to potentially 272 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: defend yourself in a self defense situation. 273 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it. I tell you, I had an 274 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,239 Speaker 3: incredible opportunity. The last several years I was at Quantaco, 275 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: traveled the country, traveled the world, and our our unit's 276 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 3: job was to prepare our special agents and also our 277 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: our state, local, federal, tribal you know, local police officers 278 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: and sheriffs, deputies and troopers to to. 279 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: Come home at the end of the day. 280 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 3: Right we were we were teaching them our practical skills 281 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 3: and and shooting and moving and all the things that 282 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 3: that are hopefully going to bring them home at the 283 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 3: end of the day. And and what I saw, unfortunately, 284 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 3: I was there the day that George Floyd was killed, 285 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: and I saw what a what an immediate and disastrous 286 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: impact you'd had on our law enforcement first responders around 287 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: the country. And I tell you, I was one of them. 288 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: You know, I my unit ended up getting deployed to 289 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: Lafayette Park, you know, and uh, that was a that 290 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: was really a chaotic situation. You know, here we are 291 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 3: based off against American citizens, you know, my fellow citizens 292 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: who I had sworn to uphold their right to assemble 293 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: and protest, and I. 294 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: Still respect that right. 295 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: But I realized, you know, something's changed in the United States, 296 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: and uh, you know, but the job that I'm doing 297 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: is no longer is steady and predictable, and you know, 298 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: I thought, maybe it's time to get out, and I, 299 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: you know, me, along with thousands of other experienced officers, 300 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: decided to leave. 301 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done my time. 302 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: But I hadn't planned on retiring when I did, and 303 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: so I retired earlier that I planned, and along with 304 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: thousands of other experienced officers, left the job earlier than planned. 305 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: And then I also saw at the same time, because 306 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: of the defund the police nonsense, the disastrous and just 307 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: absolutely catastrophic effect this has had and is having and 308 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 3: will have on our first responders around the country. You know, 309 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: you have right now anywhere in the United States, you 310 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 3: have agencies or generally anywhere from twenty to thirty percent 311 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: below minimum staffing. 312 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: Yep. 313 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 3: And guy, that means that it's taking twice as long 314 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: you call a nine to one one today in America, 315 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: it takes twice as long for that first responder to 316 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 3: get to you did just five or six years ago. 317 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're seeing that right here in India. We're down 318 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: something like three to four hundred officers right here in Indianapolis. 319 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 320 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: Well, and then you couple that with what we're seeing 321 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: happening in Minneapolis and other places around the country. That's 322 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: just going to speed that decision. These are human beings 323 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: that are on the other side of that badge, right, 324 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: and they're making the calculation is it worth it for this, 325 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 3: you know, relatively low paying job, relatively high risk job 326 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: that now you know half the country doesn't seem to 327 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: support me, and so we are in a real critical 328 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: dire situation. To me, guy, it's the great untold story 329 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: in America, the crisis in law enforcement and crisis in security. 330 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 3: And so ultimately, regardless of which side of the aisle 331 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 3: you you find yourself on, you still call nine one 332 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: one at the end of the day and hope that they, 333 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: you know, the cavalry shows up. But as we know, 334 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: it's taking twice as long or more to get to you. 335 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 3: So what are you going to do? What are our 336 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: fellow citizens going to do when someone kicks in their 337 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: door two o'clock in the morning and they call nine 338 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: one one and the nearest help is half an hour away, 339 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: or maybe like. 340 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: We saw in Chicago not too long ago, you know. 341 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 3: We have no units to send you. No one is coming. 342 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: And that's not a far fetched thing either, guy. So 343 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to one set the stage and 344 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: help people just understand and accept reality. You can no 345 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 3: longer afford to outsource your personal security, and so what 346 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: can you do? Thank God, you're an American first of all, 347 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 3: and you're protected by the Second Amendment right, and that 348 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: right gives you the access to the one tool, the 349 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: firearm that truly can level the playing field between the 350 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: week and the strong and the hands of someone who 351 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 3: knows what they're doing. And so that's why I wanted 352 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 3: to write this book, is just to remove all the fluff, 353 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 3: remove all the banter, remove all the bravado and posturing, 354 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 3: and just say, listen, you know, I think I told 355 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: you before my hero was Joe Friday, Right, just the fact, 356 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: and so I try to give people the facts. 357 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: Let you make up your own decision based on facts. 358 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: And I think once you know the facts, you realize, Okay, 359 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: I'm the head of the household, or I live by myself, 360 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: I can no longer afford to outsource the security and 361 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: safety of my loved ones and myself. And so you know, 362 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: the guide is in there. It's not just about firearms. 363 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: Of course, there's non lethal, there's medical, a lot of it. 364 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 3: Half the book is all about early detection and avoidance, 365 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 3: decision making right understanding the realities of violent confrontation. And 366 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 3: then of course there's a whole couple of sections of 367 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 3: the aftermath about what to expect because most people have 368 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: no idea, and Hollywood certainly doesn't give us a very 369 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 3: good idea of what happens if you are forced to 370 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: defend yourself with with lethal force, or with any kind 371 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 3: of force for that matter. 372 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 373 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's sort of the area where I often 374 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: become involved is where people have gotten caught up in 375 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: a self defense scenario. Now, all of a sudden, all 376 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: the different moving pieces of the system kick in in 377 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: terms of a criminal investigation, potential civil liability, plus all 378 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: the things that people don't think about, which is even 379 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: the emotional response that people go through. You know, I've 380 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: represented now it's double digits is up to a dozen 381 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: people that have taken a human life and self defense, 382 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: and every one of them did so justifiably and legally, 383 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: some rightly so have been called a hero, including Eli 384 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: Dicken who say an untold number of lives in the 385 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: Greenwood Park mall. But I'll tell you what every one 386 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: of those twelve people, and I know from your law 387 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: enforcement experience, you're going to know this to be absolutely 388 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: true as well, and that is every one of those 389 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: people will tell you it was the worst day of 390 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: their life and they wish it never happened. They and 391 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: they don't even understand why people want to pat him 392 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: on the back and buy him a beer when they 393 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: went through something that was that emotionally devastating. And that's 394 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: just part and parcel for most people, the vast majority 395 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 1: of people. When you go through something as traumatic as 396 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: taking another human life. 397 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. 398 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: Guy. You know, unfortunately have been part of and investigated 399 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 3: many more officer involved shootings and of course criminal you 400 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 3: know instances, And I will tell you this when I'm 401 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 3: talking to somebody and they're talking about how, you know, 402 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: they really wish or they're looking forward to, you know, 403 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: being able to use their firearm in some type of 404 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: a situation, and I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, Man, 405 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 3: here's somebody who's never done it and has no clue 406 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 3: what they're talking about. And you know, that's the thing 407 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 3: is people just really don't know you expect, guy in 408 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 3: the United States of America, if you do something and 409 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 3: it's the right thing and it's clear cut as could be, 410 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 3: you know, you're still almost certainly going to jail that night. 411 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: You're going to be detained, You're going to spend quite 412 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: a bit of time in the system, so to speak. 413 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 3: And it's a very very lonely feeling. And don't buy 414 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: any stretch of that, you know, imagination, think that your 415 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 3: story is the only one coming to court. It's not 416 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 3: like it is on TV where it's filmed, right, It's 417 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: all about the storytelling and who believes who. And it 418 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 3: could be a very very lonely feeling when you're the 419 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: other one, you know, standing there at the end of 420 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: a self defense incident and then you don't know what 421 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: to do it's a terrible feeling that way too many 422 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: of our fellow Americans have had. 423 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: Well, it's absolutely true, and that's why in your book 424 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: Appropriately So you talk a lot about avoidance, you talk 425 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: a lot about early detection, you talk a lot about 426 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: situational awareness, you talk a lot about DS collation, and 427 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: our chapters on each of those very important topics at 428 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: the same time, and I have a strong feeling you 429 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: and I agree on this too, Rob. I will avoid it. 430 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,239 Speaker 1: I will avoid it if it's at all possible. At 431 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: the same time, there are times that we see and 432 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: we see them. We see these situations in the news 433 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: every week, every day where it's not avoidable, where you 434 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: are your own first responder and no one's coming to 435 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: save you. And at that point you need to be 436 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: as effective as possible and have a plan for being 437 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: as effective as possible for the defense of yourself, defense 438 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: of your family, defense of your home. And your book 439 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: goes into that as well. 440 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. 441 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: You know, the most critical element in any crisis, of course, 442 00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: is time. 443 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: And it's amazing how. 444 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 3: Fast it fleets, you know, especially if you're taken unaware 445 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 3: or something you know, a sudden existential threat presents itself. 446 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 3: I can guarantee you because I've seen it thousands of times. Unfortunately, 447 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: if you or a person, any human being, has never 448 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 3: thought about what they would do in a given situation, right, 449 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 3: especially a life threatening one, you are not what you mean. 450 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 3: You are just not going to rise to that occasion. 451 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: Right. 452 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 3: The old saying is you don't rise to the occasion, 453 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,959 Speaker 3: you fall back on your training. There's another saying that 454 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 3: the body cannot go where the mind has never been. 455 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: And so it's all about just mental preparation, understanding the law, 456 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: understanding your physical capabilities, understanding what are you willing to do? 457 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 3: What are you not willing to do? And ultimately, all 458 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 3: of us want to go home to our families at 459 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 3: the end of the day. And if that means swallowing 460 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: some pride, if that means letting the guy just cut 461 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 3: you off and going about, you know, in traffic. I 462 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 3: can't tell you how many terrible situations I've seen resulting 463 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 3: from road rage. I've yet to see a road rage 464 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: incident resolve well for anyone. Right, just swallow that pride, 465 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 3: going about your day. The only thing that matters is 466 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: that you get home to your loved ones. Your pride 467 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 3: can be healed, right. 468 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: Oh man, And let me piggyback on that point, Rob 469 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: and I don't think this came up in our interview 470 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: for Attorney Insider at U SECA or in our breakfast conversation, which, 471 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: by the way, I could have gone about another four 472 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: hours just chatting over breakfast with you. I really enjoyed 473 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: that conversation. But to pigback on your point, you know, 474 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: say I say this. You know, if you heard me 475 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: pitch my class what I call Essentials of Indiana Gun Law, 476 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: where I try to tell people up front you know 477 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: how the law really works. But at one point, I say, 478 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, about sixty percent of my cases, maybe seventy 479 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: of my cases that I defend that involve things where 480 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: or situations where people were being accused of doing something 481 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: illegal with a gun. And I'm talking about crimes. We 482 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: have a crime here Indiana called point of five. I 483 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: have another crime called intimidation with a deadly weapon. I 484 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: have another crime called criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. 485 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: And of those three crimes, all of which are felonies. 486 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: By the way, there's one scenario where sixty to seventy 487 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: percent of the cases that I defend arise from the 488 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: same scenario. And I'll ask my classes. You know, I 489 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: have a whole room full of forty fifty people in 490 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: the room, and I'll say, you know, what do you 491 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: think that that same scenario I see over and over 492 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: is And people start guessing, you know, a home invasions 493 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: or domestic disputes or you know, people start guessing, and 494 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: almost nobody ever says road rage. And when I tell 495 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: them that, they all look at each other like that's news. 496 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: And I got to tell you, it is amazing the 497 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: number of cases that come in. I was talking to 498 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: the public information officer from the Indiana State Police just 499 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: recently and who's become a good friend of mine, Sergeant Parrin, 500 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: and he said, in Indianapolis alone, on the interstate that 501 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: circles Indianapolis, which is i FO sixty five, in twenty twenty, 502 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: they had two hundred and fifty incidents involving either the 503 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: shooting or the brandishing of a firearm during road rage incidents. 504 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: And that's just on the interstate. That's not at all 505 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: the you know, the city streets and intersections and whatnot. 506 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: It is amazingly common. So the advice you just gave 507 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: rob about swallowing your pride. And I even make the point. 508 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: You know, somebody gives me the finger, I just I 509 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: give them my number one finger back to them yet 510 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: number one. Thank you. Have a nice day, and I smile, 511 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: and I keep off the horn, I keep my mouth 512 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: shut and I go on about my day, because nothing 513 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: good can happen once you get caught up in one 514 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: of those situations. 515 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: I tell you, man, it's it's people forget. You know, 516 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 3: we make the classic mistake, and this happens all the 517 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 3: time of sort of transferring our sensibilities onto strangers. Right, 518 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: So you're literally hitting feet away. The only thing separating 519 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: you might be two panes of glass. And this person 520 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 3: you're just assuming is not willing to rise or raise 521 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 3: the level of violence. You have no idea what they're 522 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 3: capable of, what they're what they're willing to do. You know, 523 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, guy, you know, it's 524 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 3: it's I tell people, you know, I served on the 525 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 3: Attorney General's Protection detail. 526 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 2: Right. 527 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 3: We had armored vehicles, we had long guns, we had armor, 528 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 3: we had lots of training and lots of highly skilled 529 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 3: operators to take the Attorney General anywhere we needed to go. 530 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I remind you know, 531 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 3: our clients and our members listen, all those weapons and 532 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: gadgetry and armor and all that was to get us out. 533 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 2: Of an emergency situation. If there was. 534 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 3: Ever any indication that there was you know, heightened level 535 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: of danger, we would avoid it. We just wouldn't go, 536 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 3: or we would take a different route, you know, tech 537 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 3: a secondary tertiary. 538 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: Drop or whatever, or we just. 539 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 3: Tell the boss looks so we got to wave off. 540 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: It's you know, it's too dangerous that gun. You know, 541 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: when you take your family to the mall, you go 542 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 3: to a movie or whatever, that concealed weapon is your 543 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 3: passport out of danger. And I mean it's not to 544 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 3: go looking for it, and it's certainly not to say, well, 545 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 3: I've got my gun, I can go to this dangerous 546 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: part of town. 547 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 548 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 3: That is your absolute last resort to get you and 549 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: your loved ones home, And believe me, it's the last 550 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 3: thing anyone really wants to do. 551 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 552 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: You know, one of our common listeners, our buddy Kelly, 553 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: is on the chat on the YouTube feed for the 554 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: radio show today and he just posted, you win every 555 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: fight you avoid and I think that's a really nice 556 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: way to summarize exactly what we're talking about. Well, Rob, listen, 557 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: we've gotten way past the bottom of the hour. But 558 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: I could go on for the whole darn show and 559 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: talk about your book and these exact topics, because it's 560 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: just where I live in terms of what I think 561 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: is important and what I do for a living. But 562 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: let's let's leave it with this. Where can people find you? 563 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: But I bought mine on Amazon? And yeah, by the way, 564 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: Rob did not send me a copy of his book 565 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: before we did this interview. I went on Amazon and 566 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: bought my damn book, Rob. 567 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 2: I appreciate the support it. 568 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 3: I tell you what, man, Choe, there's a landing page. 569 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 3: It's Practical Security Guide dot com that'll just take your 570 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: right to the Amazon And it's also I'll tell you 571 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: if any of your listeners have Spotify Premium. It's available 572 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 3: for free on Spotify Premium. Also available on Audible. I 573 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: recorded it myself along with my dad, so if you 574 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 3: further listen to it, it's available that way as well. 575 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: But thank you, appreciate the time, and let's do it again. 576 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: Oh man, you are welcome absolutely anytime. I really enjoyed 577 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: the conversation. Again, that's a practical guide to personal security. 578 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: I Rob Chadwick and Rob, thanks so much. We will 579 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: definitely have you back and with that we're taking a 580 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: much needed break. This is Guy Ralford and The Gun 581 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.