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Speaker 1: It is a humpday Wednesday, Is that correct, Eddie? My

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Speaker 1: days are starting to run together. Yes, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Can you remember that commercial? Oh that's the camel right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I just remember him saying I thought you said my

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Speaker 1: it is a Wednesday. How are you? My name is

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Speaker 1: Jake Quarry, Eddie Garrison, the other voice that you just

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Speaker 1: heard on this program in his Quarry and Company on

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Speaker 1: ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan,

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Speaker 1: and today is Jake.

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Speaker 2: Should I make an open, like a custom open for

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Speaker 2: like a Wednesday like I do for Friday. We've got

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Speaker 2: the working for the.

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Speaker 1: Weekend we do for Wednesday. Well, we can.

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Speaker 2: Include the hump day the.

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Speaker 1: Mike Mike, Mike, Today, I feel like today on a Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: and at least in terms of today's show, it should

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Speaker 1: be like the theme music for Shoe Carnival.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever get on Vine?

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Speaker 1: Were you?

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Speaker 2: Did you ever get on that social media app?

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Speaker 1: Which one? I'm sorry Vine? It was like back yeah

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a guy down there and that went

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Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, My dudes, cut that one out.

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Speaker 1: Can you find that? Because vine was big for about

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Speaker 1: and then it wasn't a thing. But today, if there

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Speaker 1: was a theme song, it would be And I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if these stores still exist. Do shoe carnivals

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Speaker 2: I think there's still one in Greenwood?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 1: You would walk in and they would say, like, you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: welcome to shoe Carnival. We got a drawing here, We're

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Speaker 1: going to get deep. Come up's been a wheel twenty

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Speaker 1: percent off you. But they would have this cornucopia of

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Speaker 1: when you walked in, it was like you never knew

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Speaker 1: what shoe was going to be on sale, You never

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Speaker 1: to be, and you know it was a dudes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you dug that up from the social media graves of yesteryear.

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Speaker 1: Did you have to look on that guy's MySpace page

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Speaker 2: You're funny enough, Jake, I've never had a page.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was gone by the time that you were

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Speaker 1: like old enough to know what social media was, right.

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Speaker 1: Why did my Space go away and Facebook lasted? I

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Speaker 1: Today is a shoe carnival day because there are a

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Speaker 1: So we've got a little bit of everything. And the

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Speaker 1: Pacers and Action tonight taking on the Toronto Raptors at

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Speaker 1: that game seven o'clock at the Fieldhouse. Also Purdue an

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Speaker 1: with the big stories continues and as we build up

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Speaker 1: And I know that's crazy to say, but I'm curious

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Speaker 1: I you know, it's really pretty simplistic when it comes

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Speaker 1: And yes, those teams have down years, but they don't

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Speaker 1: I want to read this this from BZ fifteen eighty

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Speaker 1: five on the expost Twitter. There is no scenario that

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Speaker 1: I would root for any IU team. Don't be ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I get it this from Kurt as a true Purdue fan.

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Speaker 1: I want every IU team to lose every sporting event

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Speaker 1: they're ever involved in. I get it. I totally do.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying symbolically for the state. When you really

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Speaker 1: think about it, everybody has kind of had their turn

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Speaker 1: right now at base camp of the mountaintop, and we

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Speaker 1: need somebody to finally break through and break this. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to say curse, but just this, this momentary

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Speaker 1: lapse before the title is won. Christen Aarry joining me

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Speaker 1: now on the Java House Peel and poor guest line.

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Speaker 1: Java house dot Com is the website, Jake twenty five

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Speaker 1: or twenty five percent off Chris, of course, the television

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Speaker 1: voice of the Pacers. Chris PACER's playing a little bit

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Speaker 1: better obviously. I mean, you know, they've put together three

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Speaker 1: wins in a row. Here Rick Carlisle gets is now

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Speaker 1: over one thousand career wins. The most simplistic question would

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Speaker 1: be this, what are they doing differently now that they

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Speaker 1: were not doing before that has kind of put them

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Speaker 1: on this little heater streak relatively speaking.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it really is pretty simple, Jake. They're

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Speaker 4: making shots. I mean that's one of the things. If

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Speaker 4: you look at the month of January, in these six

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Speaker 4: games and the last three wins, they're the top three

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Speaker 4: point shooting team at forty three percent they're the number

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Speaker 4: four field goal shooting team at forty nine percent, and

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Speaker 4: they're averaging about one hundred and fifteen points, which is

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Speaker 4: number eight in the NBA. And if you look at

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Speaker 4: those three categories prior to January, they were dead last

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Speaker 4: and scoring, dead last and field goal shooting and dead

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Speaker 4: last and three point shooting. So they've really done a

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Speaker 4: much better job, I think getting healthier, getting guys like

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Speaker 4: Aaron Nesmith and Ben Shephard back. Those are two really

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Speaker 4: key guys to the way that this team wants to play,

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Speaker 4: especially offensively, the way they move, and so I just

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Speaker 4: think having a little bit more continuity, especially from an

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Speaker 4: offensive end, has really helped them.

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Speaker 1: When you look Chris, we'll start with Ben Shephard. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes we forget if a guy is not

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Speaker 1: at one hundred percent how it can impact him. And

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Speaker 1: Shepherd is a unique one because I think his primary

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Speaker 1: role is his ability to defend and then also to

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Speaker 1: hit shots when in rotation he's open. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know that they're necessarily designing for him to get those shots.

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Speaker 1: Seem to me like he was struggling for a bit.

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Speaker 1: There is that because of the non familiarity of some

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Speaker 1: of the he was on the floor with or was

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Speaker 1: it a hell thing or was he not struggling at all?

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Speaker 1: And I'm out of my mind.

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Speaker 4: No, he was definitely struggling. I mean, on the year,

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Speaker 4: he's still only shooting thirty two percent from three. But

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Speaker 4: if you look at his last seven I'm looking at

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Speaker 4: the numbers here, he's eleven to twenty two, he's shooting

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Speaker 4: fifty percent, and if you go a little bit deeper

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Speaker 4: than that, he's been even better. I think early in

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Speaker 4: the year, you know, some of that was maybe some

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Speaker 4: unfamiliarity with teammates. He was also guiding the ball. He

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Speaker 4: just didn't look very confident shooting the basketball. And so

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Speaker 4: I just think he's he like Nie Smith and nem

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Speaker 4: Hard and Jared Schwalker, who is shooting the.

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Speaker 5: Ball pretty well right now.

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Speaker 4: They've gotten more into a rhythm, into a groove, and

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Speaker 4: when that happens, this is a team that can win games.

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Speaker 4: There's no question about that. I Mean, if you look

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Speaker 4: at the success that they've had under Rick Carlile the

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Speaker 4: last couple of years, shooting was never a problem. Offense

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Speaker 4: wasn't a problem. Two years ago when they went to

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Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference, Finals for the first time.

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Speaker 5: They have one hundred and twenty three points per game.

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Speaker 4: And they had one of the all time great offenses. Now,

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Speaker 4: of course they had Tyree Halliburton leading the way, but

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Speaker 4: this has been a team that has been able to

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Speaker 4: make shots, and that was really a huge part of

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Speaker 4: the problem early in the season.

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Speaker 1: Kristinari is my guest Java House Peel and Port guest

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Speaker 1: line television voice of the Indiana Pacers. Chris, I'm looking

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Speaker 1: around the league and I'm seeing, you know, players that

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Speaker 1: want out or players that are unhappy, and you know

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Speaker 1: divas here and there. And it's not to say that

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Speaker 1: Indiana has been immune to that. There have been players

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Speaker 1: that have caused their fair share of you know, oil

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Speaker 1: in the water here over the years, but this particular

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Speaker 1: group does not seem to have that. Jay Huff has

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Speaker 1: a reverse dunk and the entire bench is going crazy,

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Speaker 1: and Johnny Furfey hits a shot and everybody's acting like

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Speaker 1: he's the little brother they're proud of, and et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And cohesiveness in chemistry is so important to the s success.

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Speaker 1: I think of this installment of the Pacers. So my

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Speaker 1: question is this, do you believe that the bigger challenge

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Speaker 1: is being able to scout a player and their character

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Speaker 1: before you bring them into your franchise, or is it

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Speaker 1: harder to be able to assess how success, money and

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Speaker 1: wins can change that player once they are actually a

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Speaker 1: part of it.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a great question. And what's interesting about that, Jake,

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Speaker 4: is the other night, Monday night, after the game against Boston,

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Speaker 4: I did a sit down with Ryan Carr, Ted Wu

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Speaker 4: and Spencer Anderson from our front office, and I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, they talked about that just the kind of

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Speaker 4: work that they do, not just looking at numbers, not

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Speaker 4: just looking at productivity, but how these players relate as people,

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Speaker 4: to the coaching staff, to the organization, to family, those

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Speaker 4: types of things.

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Speaker 5: So I think that's you.

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Speaker 4: Know, there's always going to be a wild card in

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Speaker 4: the mix that you read the way you think somebody

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Speaker 4: is going to act when things are good or when

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Speaker 4: things are bad. But I think that's one of the

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Speaker 4: things that this organization has done a really good job

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Speaker 4: of doing that. And and to your point, what you

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Speaker 4: see when when Jay Huff and Furfey and those guys

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Speaker 4: make those plays and you see the camaraderie on the

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Speaker 4: bench that's genuine. I mean we've seen that over the

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Speaker 4: last few years, and especially I'm going to say since

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Speaker 4: Tyresse arrived, I mean tyreeth In infects and injects that

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Speaker 4: enthusiasm with his teammates, and so I think that's something

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Speaker 4: that no question the front office looks at when they're

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Speaker 4: trying to build a roster, and each each and every

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Speaker 4: year is different. Is how do those pieces fit together?

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Speaker 4: And how can all these guys relate to each other

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Speaker 4: in good times and in bad Right, it's not always

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Speaker 4: it's not always good. I mean think back to last year.

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Speaker 4: As great as the season was, if you go back

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Speaker 4: to December, they were ten and fifteen and I think

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Speaker 4: eleventh or twelfth in the East. So it's not like

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Speaker 4: the twenty four to twenty five season, you know, was

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Speaker 4: always riding high. So I think that's a great question.

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Speaker 4: I think what front offices try to do is make

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Speaker 4: sure you are finding guys that fit the model that.

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Speaker 3: You have built.

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Speaker 1: Chris, what is the one area that you think most

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Speaker 1: needs improvement? And listen, Jay huff has impressed me. I

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Speaker 1: mean he has exceeded probably what I thought he was

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Speaker 1: going to be. As the year has gone on. He

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Speaker 1: is one guy that I think has taken advantage of

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Speaker 1: opportunity here and diversified maybe what he was able to

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Speaker 1: show in the league before he got here. But if

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Speaker 1: there's one area of his game that still needs the

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Speaker 1: most improvement or solidarity, it would be.

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Speaker 4: What well he you know, he's got great size from

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Speaker 4: a link perspective, but he you know, he gives up

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Speaker 4: a lot of bulk inside and so that can become

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Speaker 4: difficult for the bigger centers. And that's why a lot

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Speaker 4: of times you'll see Rick Carlow make a change and

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Speaker 4: go to Tony Bradley, who may not be as good offensively,

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Speaker 4: but he's a little bit better rebounder and a better

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Speaker 4: defensive player. And so you know, that's the situation that

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Speaker 4: I think the Pacers have gotten some good play you're

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Speaker 4: looking at. You know, Micah Potter has only played ten games.

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Speaker 5: They got him on Christmas Day.

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Speaker 4: He started I think ten games last year in Utah.

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Speaker 4: Jay Hoffs started two games in his career before this year.

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Speaker 4: Isaiah Jackson started you know a handful of games in his.

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Speaker 3: Career before this year.

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Speaker 4: But I think they've gotten some really good play out

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Speaker 4: of that center position, and I think when you get

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Speaker 4: Isaiah Jackson back, it will be interesting to see how

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Speaker 4: how does Rick Carlisle utilize that rotation, because Michah Potter's

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Speaker 4: done a lot of good things off the bench. As

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Speaker 4: you said, Jay Huff had an our standing game against

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Speaker 4: Boston the other night, and then Tony Bradley does what

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Speaker 4: Tony Bradley does. So I just think that's going to

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Speaker 4: be that's going to be a position to watch to

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Speaker 4: see how they utilize those people and how they rotate

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Speaker 4: them each and every game.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is different, Every journey back from injury is different

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Speaker 1: from one person to the next. Isaiah Jackson was a

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Speaker 1: very athletic player when he had with great bounce to

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Speaker 1: use a buzzword, but when he had his injury, which

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Speaker 1: was the achilles, that is the same injury that you

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Speaker 1: know Tyre's Haliburton obviously will come back from. Have we

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Speaker 1: seen enough from Isaiah Jackson? I know that he has

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Speaker 1: not been able to consistently be on the floor this year.

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Speaker 1: Have we seen enough to give some indication as to

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Speaker 1: a timeline for Halliburton in terms of step or burst.

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Speaker 1: Has Isaiah Jackson shown to you, Chris that he is

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Speaker 1: back to or close to what he was athletically pre injury.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, and again, the time that he's

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Speaker 4: missed here twelve straight games is due to a concussion,

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Speaker 4: no relation at all to the Achilles injury that he

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Speaker 4: had a year ago, if you think about it, Jake,

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Speaker 4: he was injured in early November and was back as

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Speaker 4: the season started in October, so he was inside twelve months.

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Speaker 4: He was what about eleven months when he came back

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Speaker 4: to the Pacers. So no, I think you've seen a

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Speaker 4: lot of burst.

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, he's.

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Speaker 4: A guy that I've always said it looks like he's

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Speaker 4: on a pogo stick the way he.

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Speaker 5: Can jump around the basket.

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Speaker 4: So I think, you know, every player is different, but

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Speaker 4: I think that bodes well. And I've been impressed at

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Speaker 4: what I've seen on the road and Tyree's coming out

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Speaker 4: before games at Gamebridge field House and doing.

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Speaker 5: A little bit of a workout.

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Speaker 4: I think he is right where he needs to be,

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Speaker 4: right where he is on schedule, and I don't anticipate

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Speaker 4: to any problems when he suits it back up next year.

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Speaker 1: You know, Chris, obviously, with Isaiah Jackson, we played positionless basketball.

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Speaker 1: Now for the most part, I get that, but he

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Speaker 1: is his athleticism makes him bigger than he is. So

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Speaker 1: to speak, I'm talking about Isaiah Jackson. If they get

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Speaker 1: into a situation where let's say Huff becomes their backup center,

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Speaker 1: they acquire a guy that becomes a starting center. Could

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Jackson? Would he would he be in the center

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Speaker 1: mix or is he a guy that then slides over

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Speaker 1: and gives them depth at the power forward position.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a good question. I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 4: think one of the things Isaiah.

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Speaker 5: Has worked at, and even though you don't.

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Speaker 4: See it in games, is you know, I see him

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Speaker 4: in practice working on his three point shot more of

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Speaker 4: a perimeter game. I mean, he's a guy that you know,

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Speaker 4: bounces around the rim. I think that's the great thing

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Speaker 4: about this coaching staff is that they can, you know,

648
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 4: take any player and you know, they don't have to

649
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: just do what they've always done.

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Speaker 5: There are other.

651
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Speaker 4: Opportunities for you. So I think that's I think that's

652
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 4: to be seen, you know, as as the season progresses, Uh,

653
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 4: you know, each individual player trying to become a little

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00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 4: bit better at what they do, but also maybe do

655
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Speaker 4: some things a little better at what they haven't done before.

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Speaker 1: Chris, when you were a kid, who is your favorite pacer?

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I really like Don de Bussi.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why I knew you were

659
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Speaker 1: going to say.

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Speaker 4: That, just you know, just because of the way he

661
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: handled the basketball.

662
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 5: And the way he shared it and the way he

663
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 5: shot it.

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Speaker 4: So I would say, I would say, you know, Don,

665
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 4: was somebody that you know, that that caught my eye,

666
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 4: That was someone that you could you know, look up

667
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 4: to and say, hey, I want to pattern my game

668
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 4: after that.

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Speaker 1: Now, you played obviously in high school. Did you play

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00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: for your dad right, Yes? And then you went to

671
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: Wabash right and played it You played at wall Bash right, yes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now I saw a video recently when you were at

674
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Speaker 1: the practice facility and there was a ball land around

675
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: and you picked it up and you were putting up

676
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: some shots, and and then it I was curious, were

677
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: you because you were a coach's kid, does that mean

678
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: that you had a floor vision and you were a

679
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Speaker 1: crafty facilitator or were you an absolute trigger gun and

680
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: you were putting it up every time you got the ball?

681
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Speaker 5: No? No, not at all. I figured, you know, I

682
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 5: played for my dad.

683
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Speaker 4: And I sort of look back and go, man, I

684
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: didn't shoot enough. But you know it's a different game then.

685
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I we did not have the three point

686
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 4: shot when I played. I mean, I think that tells

687
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 4: you how old I am.

688
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Speaker 1: But no, I.

689
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Speaker 4: Like to you know, get open off a screen and

690
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Speaker 4: you know, hit a little fifteen to seventeen footer.

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Speaker 5: I didn't have.

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Speaker 4: There wasn't that need to go out to twenty twenty

693
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Speaker 4: five feet because it didn't. You got the same amount

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Speaker 4: of point, right whether you shot it from there or

695
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: whether you shot it from twelve feet.

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Speaker 5: So no, no, I was, I was.

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Speaker 4: I was not the prototypical gunning coach's son.

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Speaker 1: Pacers in action Tonight Raptors seven o'clock tip at Gamebridge

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Speaker 1: field House. Lastly, Chris, in terms of this kind of

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Speaker 1: perk up of late for the Pacers and then into tonight,

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00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: the player or the storyline that you are most curious

702
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Speaker 1: to see in terms of a continuation or that you

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00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: are looking to see positivity about so that you feel

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00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: optimistic that this continues would be.

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Speaker 4: What I'm going to say two things, I could say

706
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Speaker 4: three things. I mean one's again, but I mean Pascal

707
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 4: Siakins had a tremendous year. Andrew Demphard has put up

708
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: some just stellar numbers over the last four nineteen points,

709
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Speaker 4: ten assists, nearly fifty percent from the field, fifty percent

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Speaker 4: from three. But a guy that I'm really keeping my

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Speaker 4: eye on. And I think these last two games against

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Speaker 4: Miami and Boston, it's not just the scoring, but I

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Speaker 4: think the overall games that Jerris Walker has played the

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Speaker 4: last two games have been the type of games that

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Speaker 4: we want to see on a consistent basis from Jared.

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Speaker 4: He had eleven points in stead having rebounds against Boston.

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00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 4: He had thirteen nine, four assists, four steals against Miami.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a guy that's starting to be a

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Speaker 4: little bit more consistent. So that's somebody I really want

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Speaker 4: to keep an eye on tonight.

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Speaker 1: All right, Chris, we'll be watching tonight with the Raptors

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Speaker 1: at the Fieldhouse. Appreciate the time as always. All right, Thanks, Shake,

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Speaker 1: Kristen Aarry joining me, Java House Peel and poor guest Line.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier about Indiana and this run and there

725
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Speaker 1: are those that I think it is and I'm talking

726
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Speaker 1: about the Hoosiers, by the way, not just the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: Three game streak. The Indiana football story is one that

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes you would think that it might come

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Speaker 1: with mixed emotions or mixed feelings for some people, and

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Speaker 1: then you go, no, it's a good enough story. I

731
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Speaker 1: think there are people that can set aside any sort

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Speaker 1: of resentment for lack of a better phrase, and see

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Speaker 1: simply the positivity in it and push out the chest.

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Speaker 1: And I really did think about the Mallory family and

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Speaker 1: Bill Mallory, who was the winning his coach in Indiana

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Speaker 1: football history and took three different teams to a top

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Speaker 1: twenty end of season ranking in his coaching career, a

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Speaker 1: brilliant football coach, and yet the way that it and

739
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Speaker 1: I know that he came back to work for the university,

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Speaker 1: but he is one of those coaches I've always thought

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Speaker 1: Joe Tiller and Bill Mallory both elevated the profile of

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Speaker 1: their programs so much that they became almost victims of

743
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Speaker 1: their own success because people thought like, well, now we

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00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: got to take this to the next level, you know.

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Speaker 1: And Bill Mallory of course no longer with us, but

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Speaker 1: his family so entrenched in football, all three of his

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Speaker 1: boys playing at Michigan, and Kurt Mallory now the head

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Speaker 1: football coach at Indiana State, and you know, his wife's

749
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Speaker 1: still living and enjoying it, and so I wanted to

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Speaker 1: know the Mallory I think of the Mallory family, and

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Speaker 1: I think Indiana football fans would agree with this. It

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Speaker 1: is my belief that the Mallory family would be kind

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Speaker 1: of the first family of AYU football. And yeah, there

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Speaker 1: are there are others that could be in that category.

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Speaker 1: I understand, But Kurt Valer, we're going to join us

756
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Speaker 1: coming up just about fifteen minutes, and I'm very curious

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Speaker 1: to see just their family feel on all of this.

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Speaker 1: That conversation in just under fifteen Several people have pointed

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Speaker 1: this out, and I understand it. Jake, I get asked,

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00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: were the Colts foolish to hold on to Shane Stike

761
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: and knowing that Mike Tomlin might be available? And the

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin availability is kind of like the snow that

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Speaker 1: I'm watching sitting here falling outside right now on North Meridian,

764
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: Like there was the possibility of it, he didn't know

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Speaker 1: for certain whether it was going to happen, and then

766
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like, wait a minute, did

767
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: we know this was happening. When did that start happening

768
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: about five minutes ago?

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Speaker 2: What in the world.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here watching all the cars circle in our

771
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: parking lot like sharks trying to find an open parking

772
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm still.

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00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: Not used to having a window and being able to

774
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: look out side.

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Speaker 1: I know we're mesmerized by it. Right here are the

776
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: jobs that are open right now in the National Football League.

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00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: It is the second highest number of coaching vacancies that

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00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: we have ever had. Ten is the record. There are

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Speaker 1: nine right now. Baltimore, the Giants, Miami, Pittsburgh, Arizona, Cleveland, Vegas, Tennessee,

780
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Speaker 1: and Atlanta. The reality is this, I want you to

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Speaker 1: give me a number one through nine, Eddie two, number two,

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00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: New York Giants two bah okay, I think the New

783
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: York Giants and John Harbaugh. I mean there is reportedly

784
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: he is very interested in that job.

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00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: He's got a formal interview with them.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Giants there is some level of

787
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: intrigue about that job to a lot of people because

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00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: number one, it's been a good franchise. Number Two, they

789
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: have a young quarterback that I think looks like he

790
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: can grow into that role. And then number three. You know,

791
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: you're kind of starting at the bottom there, and you

792
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: can build pieces around it, and that will intrigue people. Okay,

793
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: now give me another number one through nine seven. I

794
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: just wrote nine of them down and I'm just saying,

795
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Speaker 1: so the seventh one that I've written down is Vegas.

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00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: Vegas would be very intriguing because number one, you get

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00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: to live in Vegas. Number two the Raiders, great fan base,

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00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: great history. But number three, and most importantly, you have

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Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft. You have the

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00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: number one pick of the draft. You have an elite

801
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: level tight end, you have what seems to be an

802
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: elite level running back. You have some foundational pieces, and

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00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: that Vegas job I think is of intrigue. Now give

804
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: me one more number Eddy off top of your head.

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00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: Number one, Number one, the Baltimore Ravens goes without saying,

806
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: been a perennial playoff team in a division that is

807
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: still wide open. Matter of fact, the divisional winner just

808
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: fired their coach right wide open.

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Speaker 2: Well, they didn't fire Tomlin. Tomlin, You're right, Tomlin stepped

810
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: down because it's gonna be like a Sean Payton in

811
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 2: the New Orleans Saint situation.

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00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 1: You've got to give compensation to Pittsburgh. You're right, my apologies,

813
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: but a coaching vacancy nonetheless. Yeah, and so yeah, my

814
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: apologies there on the Tomlin firing because it was a

815
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: resignation but not a mutual parting. But either way, Baltimore intriguing.

816
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: You got Lamar Jackson, I mean, you know all those things.

817
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: My point that I'm simply making here, it's hard for

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00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: us to fathom this in Indianapolis. But it may just

819
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: be that the Colts situation is the least desirable of

820
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: any of them, because you're coming in if Shane Steichen

821
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: had been ousted and you're looking for a head coach,

822
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: you have a head coach that's coming in saying I'm

823
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: going to go work for a general manager that has

824
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: not yet delivered a divisional championship to this team in

825
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: nine years, and they're not going to be able to

826
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: deliver for me a first round draft pick in the

827
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Speaker 1: next two years, and the quarterback that I'm most likely

828
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: going to be using is not under contract currently and

829
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Speaker 1: is coming off an Achilles tear. Likewise, if you said, okay, well,

830
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: then you keep Shane Steichen and you make Mike Tomlin

831
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Speaker 1: your general manager. Any general manager wants to bring in

832
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: their own coach and not inherit one and rens and

833
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: repeat on all of the reasons. I just gave you

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Speaker 1: that Indianapolis would be one that would give people pause.

835
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Speaker 1: It's a hard pill to swallow, But the reality is,

836
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Speaker 1: I think there are other jobs out there, by a lot,

837
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: and possibly even by all, that are more intriguing or

838
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: have better upside for anybody. Tennessee probably leaves a little

839
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: to be desired. Now you get to play in a

840
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: new stadium. You got a former number one picked quarterback.

841
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: OK Cambore looked pretty good on the stretch.

842
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: He did he didn't, I mean he started to turn

843
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: the corner a little bit there, right, Dan, You're right yeah.

844
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Speaker 1: Kurt Vallery is the head football coach at Indiana State.

845
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: His father a legend in Bloomington. Their thoughts on this

846
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: run as the Mallory family. Kurt joins us, next, stop

847
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: what you're doing, indeed, because Indiana is in the College

848
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: Football National Championship Game, So stop the presses. And I

849
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: don't need to spell this out for most of you,

850
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: but I will. Indiana football a program that essentially lived

851
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: in dormancy and yes, went to the Rose Bowl. I

852
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: get that with you know, Harry Gonzo and Eisenberger and

853
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: you know played USC and you know fabulous, had a

854
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: great John Pont had good teams. But really the true

855
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: birth of the consistency of Indiana football and the time

856
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: when people first got the taste of success. And I

857
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: can tell you off the top of my head it

858
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: began with the All American Bull Sammy Smith of Florida

859
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: State went nuts, broke my heart. Then a mix of

860
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: the Peach Bowl twice, the Liberty Bowl with Rob Turner

861
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: running all over South Carolina, the pull On Weed Eater

862
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Independence Bowl, the Insight dot Com Bowl, which was the

863
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: Copper Bowl as it was known, Indiana's last bowl game

864
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: until this season. And Bill Mallory is the man who

865
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: is the winningest coach in Indiana football history, that facilitated

866
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: for so many great memories and I think of as

867
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of the face of Indiana football. And unfortunately, of course,

868
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, coach Mallory no longer with us, but a

869
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: two time Coach of the Year and now his son

870
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: following in those ranks, Kurt Mallory is of course somebody

871
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: who has been tabbed a coach of the year within

872
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: the Missouri Valley also at his level at Indiana State.

873
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: Joins us now on the Java House Peel and poor

874
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: guest line to kind of speak for the Mallory family

875
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: about this run for Indian Yeah, a coach, First off,

876
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: how are you. It's a pleasure.

877
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 6: Well, thank you so much. It's an honor to be

878
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 6: with you today.

879
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: Let's begin with this, and before I get into kind

880
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: of what it means, say for your mom or your

881
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: brothers and yourself from a coaching standpoint, and somebody that

882
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: I know. You know, you've coached at Indiana, you played

883
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: at Michigan, You've coached for a number of coaches, including

884
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: Jerry DeNardo back at Indiana. Your overall just reaction and

885
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: I guess synopsis of what we have seen.

886
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 6: Well, just thrilled, you know, very excited for the program.

887
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 6: And you know I still have a lot of friends

888
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 6: that played for my dad and just watching their excitement,

889
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 6: you know, I couldn't be more excited for the program

890
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 6: and them. And I know no one's more excited or

891
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 6: looking down from heaven than my father when you.

892
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: Think about that, Because I said this earlier, Kurt, and

893
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, tell me if this makes sense. I felt like,

894
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: and I've always put Joe Tiller in this category as well,

895
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: that Bill Mallory to an extent became victim of his

896
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: own success in Indiana because then all of a sudden,

897
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: Indiana fans, I think they just kind of took it

898
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: as the program was the one that was, well, now

899
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: we got to get to the next level. And I

900
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: think maybe they took for granted how much work went

901
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: into getting it to that beginning level to begin with.

902
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: And I could see how that would have hurt your dad,

903
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: Am I over reading that?

904
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 3: Well?

905
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 6: You know, I think he he always looked out they

906
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 6: were going to get better year to year, and you know,

907
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 6: and you know, obviously they had great success, and you know,

908
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 6: he's you know, no one loved Indiana football more than

909
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 6: my dad. And and I'll tell you this, you know,

910
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 6: when when he stopped coaching at Indiana, I think his

911
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 6: love became even even more. And I think a lot

912
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 6: of it had to do with the relationships that he

913
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 6: has had or had with with his plays. And you know,

914
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 6: I'd get calls for my dad and he'd say, hey,

915
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 6: you know, I saw Kay went supernow today, I said,

916
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 6: where'd you see him? Well, I played golf with him today. Well,

917
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 6: you know I saw Chris Lee. Where'd you see him, Dad?

918
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: Well he came over for breakfast.

919
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 6: You know, I think that's what he cherished the most.

920
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 6: But no one loved the program more than my father.

921
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: Was it weird for you or your brothers for that matter,

922
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: Kurt Ballory, my guest, the head football coach at Indiana State,

923
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: Was it weird for you to play against Indiana when

924
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: you were at Michigan?

925
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 6: Well, you know this is this is funny because you know,

926
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 6: my wife would say to me, you know, I'd be

927
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 6: coaching at Michigan or I was coaching at Illinois, and

928
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 6: my dad would come outside the locker room and she'd say, you.

929
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: Know, your dad's wearing Indiana.

930
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 6: Gear and my dad wasn't coaching at Indiana.

931
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 3: And I would I would laugh, and I'd say, yeah,

932
00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: I know.

933
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 6: And but you know, I never doubted who he was

934
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 6: rooting for. I knew he was rooting for me, but

935
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 6: he support was always for Indiana always, It never ever changed.

936
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 6: And so you know, we would come we'd be home

937
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 6: or come on, you know, whenever we'd come back after

938
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 6: a game, and he'd be like, hey, turned on the

939
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 6: Indiana game.

940
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 3: What's the score of the Indiana game?

941
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 6: His love for Indiana never died, it only increased.

942
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: You know, whenever you think about any any team, coach,

943
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: little league team. You know, one of the things I've

944
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: always thought fun about big time Division IE sports or

945
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: professional sports in general, is oftentimes there's always a maternal

946
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: figure in the background, right, And you know, sometimes it's

947
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: a it's a player's momb you know. I know when

948
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: Dominic Rhodes played for the Colts, his mom would make

949
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: cookies for the team, that kind of thing. And oftentimes

950
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: it's the coach's wife that's there in the background. Now

951
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: I've had and I went to Indiana, I was a

952
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: student of Indiana in the mid nineties. I know, you

953
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: know a lot of guys that played football Indiana. And

954
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: there's this love for your mother, for coach Mallory's wife,

955
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: this this team mom type feel right. The first question

956
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: I would have for you was, were you aware of

957
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: that of the fact that now suddenly your mom was

958
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: a mom to more than just you and your brothers.

959
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 6: Uh my mom is the supporting cast of She's the

960
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 6: rock and uh, you know my dad would say that today.

961
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 6: You know that could never have ever done it without her,

962
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 6: and she was always there for him. She was such

963
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 6: a great sounding board and the players felt that, you know,

964
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 6: and uh, they all as well as they knew my dad,

965
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 6: they knew her, you know, and she was very.

966
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: Much a part of it. She was always at her side.

967
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 6: And you know, you always knew that, you know, no

968
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 6: matter what, you know, you're going to have someone that

969
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 6: was going to be a huge positive influence.

970
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: And she was the rock of it all.

971
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: What does this run mean to her?

972
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I can just tell that she's just

973
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 6: a static, you know, and just you know, just so

974
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 6: thrilled for all the you know, the who's your nasian

975
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 6: She's a big part of that. She's just thrilled to death,

976
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 6: you know. And and just you know, hearing her voice

977
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 6: on the phone last night and just how excited she is,

978
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 6: you know, I can't put it into words.

979
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: Kurt Mallory's the head football coach at Indiana State. He

980
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: was a graduate assistant at Indiana, then came back and

981
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: coached at Indiana at the assistant level. Has coached a

982
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: little of everywhere. You had Vonte Davis at Illinois, for example,

983
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: So you know, your your your connections go all the

984
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: way in even to two guys that went on to

985
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: play for the Colts. But I wanted to ask you before,

986
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: and I want to ask you about Indiana State as

987
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: well actually, But for the job that Kurt Signetti has

988
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: done in this turnaround, is there or would there be

989
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: an understanding of whether it be Jerry DeNardo who you

990
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: worked under, or your father, if if if he was

991
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: watching today, which you know we know he is in

992
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: the spiritual sense, you know, Bill Lynch, any of it right,

993
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: Terry Heppner the same as your father, would there be

994
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: an understanding of I won't say resentment or jealousy, but

995
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: just kind of a longing for the resources that Kurt

996
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: Signetti has and the investment to the program that wasn't

997
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: always there. Is that a fair assessment of some of

998
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: the things that Kurt Signetti has been afforded that were

999
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: not there beforehand?

1000
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I can only speak on my dad

1001
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 6: because I know how much he uh, I know he

1002
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 6: There would be no jealousy with my father or resentment

1003
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 6: my dad, you know, supported whether it's Coach Cameron, you know,

1004
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 6: whether it was Coach DeNardo, Coach Hepner, Coach Wilson coach

1005
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 6: Allen all he worried about. It wasn't about Bill Mallory.

1006
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 6: It was about the program. It was always the program first.

1007
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 6: And he obviously fought for some of the things that

1008
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 6: he felt he needed at that time to be successful.

1009
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 6: And there was things at the time, building the Mellencamp pavilion,

1010
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 6: other things, the office space underneath the stadium obviously more

1011
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 6: to it, But it was always going to be about

1012
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 6: the program first. That I can tell you speaking from

1013
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 6: my father, zero resentment, zero jealousy, only just to be

1014
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 6: so thrilled to see the success that they're having.

1015
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: Now, what do you equate it to? I mean, I

1016
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: don't know how well you know Kurt Signetti and just

1017
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: what he's you know, or how much you've interacted with

1018
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: them or cross paths with them. But what has most

1019
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: impressed you about this Well.

1020
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 6: Just who he surrounds himself with. I think that's where

1021
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 6: you see, you know, And I've had some dealings with

1022
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 6: coach Signetty. He's been very generous, very kind and letting

1023
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 6: some of my players that maybe have an opportunity to

1024
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 6: go down and work their pro day and he's opened

1025
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 6: it up for us as Tom Allen has while I've

1026
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 6: been here, and I've always been very appreciative of that.

1027
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 6: I've had an opportunity to meet with him obviously before

1028
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 6: we played, and just you know, the kindness and you know,

1029
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 6: just you know some of the things that he's you know,

1030
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 6: taken the time, but you know, just appreciative of that.

1031
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 6: And when you look at the success that he's having

1032
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 6: and listening to him talk, you know, I hear him

1033
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 6: talk more about the wei and the team, and I

1034
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 6: hear that so much from my father and the people

1035
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 6: that you surround yourself with. Is is everything, and and

1036
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 6: when you look at it, you know, I cannot go

1037
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 6: you know, in this conversation without mentioning Scott Dolcon and

1038
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 6: my dad thought the world of Scott. Loved Scott Dolson

1039
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 6: and Scott and I are similar in age. But when

1040
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 6: Scott and I were, you know, and we were around

1041
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 6: together in the late eighties, when when both basketball and

1042
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 6: football were at their peak, and you know, and to

1043
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 6: see that you can be successful in this state in

1044
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 6: most sports it was being done at that time.

1045
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 3: In the late eighties.

1046
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 6: You know, Coach Knight was having great success, Bill Mally

1047
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 6: was having great success with their programs, and Scott saw that,

1048
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 6: you know, he was working with the basketball program, and

1049
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 6: I know him and my dad had such a close relationship.

1050
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 6: And I know it starts at the top. And I've

1051
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 6: heard Coach Signetti say that a number of times, how

1052
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 6: much he thanked Scott Dolson and the President. You would

1053
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 6: hear those same messages echoed from my father back in

1054
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 6: the day with President Ryan or the Ad Floyd, and

1055
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 6: that you needed a supporting cast.

1056
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: And that's where it all starts, how.

1057
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: Much, by the way, because I remember at the time,

1058
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: seemingly publicly, it was always a really good one and

1059
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: one of mutual respect. A couple of Ohio guys in Indiana.

1060
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: What was your dad's relationship with Bob Knight?

1061
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 6: You know, they had a great relationship. You know when

1062
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 6: my dad was uh, you know, coaching at Northern Illinois,

1063
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 6: Ralph Floyd had called called my father and uh and

1064
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 6: then it was Bobby Knight, and you know, they they

1065
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 6: had a great relationship.

1066
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

1067
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 6: They supported one another through thick and then and uh

1068
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 6: you know, of course, you know, I grew up you know,

1069
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 6: similar ages to Pat, so we both had they both

1070
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 6: had sons. They were kind of going through it at

1071
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 6: the time. Uh, but they always had such a great

1072
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 6: supporting and had mutual respect for what they were doing.

1073
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, the Kurt Mallory is our guest on the

1074
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: JAVA House peel and poor guest line head coach at

1075
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: Indiana State. Coach. This the Indiana blueprint now, and I'm

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: not saying that becomes the blueprint for everybody, but nil

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01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: and transfer portal are such key ingredients perhaps to this,

1078
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: and Indiana has used that along with Scott Dolson Kurt

1079
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: Signetti the vision as well as anybody, and I have

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01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: been curious of this Indiana's going out and getting portal

1081
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: players to accentuate or solidify their roster and also having

1082
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: guys that they've developed from JMU come in and be

1083
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: able to kind of stamp for everybody. Hey, here's what

1084
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: we expect from the culture of Kurt Signetti. How does

1085
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: that change the recruiting or the blueprint aspect of other

1086
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: program Do we live in a copycat league where people

1087
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: now are going to start looking more at to use

1088
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: his term productivity over potential? How does that then also

1089
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: in any way touch on or affect Indiana State.

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01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 6: Well, you know, that's that's what we're trying to do here,

1091
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 6: and I've got a great staff and uh, you know,

1092
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 6: and that's coach Semitt is exactly right, you know. Uh,

1093
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 6: productivity over.

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01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 3: Potential is the exact same thing, which you know.

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01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 6: What we look for here is a culture that guys

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01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 6: are going to come in here and be part of

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01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 6: our team and be a part of our culture here,

1098
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 6: and you have to do a great job of evaluating

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01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 6: that and that they're in it for the team aspect.

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01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 6: And I think anybody that knows anything about football, when

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01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 6: you watch an Indiana coach team, they're very well coached.

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01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 6: They don't beat themselves, they're very disciplined, and so when

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01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 6: you watch them, they've done an unbelievable job of bringing

1104
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 6: guys in that what they want, the culture, and they

1105
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 6: may be there may be better players. I don't know.

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01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 3: I'm not there, but I know.

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01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 6: Being in the case right now, you may see some

1108
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 6: really really good players that you jump out as you

1109
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 6: on film. But it's more importantly that you get the

1110
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 6: right fit that what you're doing and what you want

1111
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 6: to do as you move forward.

1112
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Speaker 1: Do you have to when you bring a player into

1113
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: Indiana State because the portal is such the reality now,

1114
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: Coach in nil and all of that. Do you have

1115
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: to use that almost as a recruiting advantage, not to

1116
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: the point of even necessarily, Hey, if you want to

1117
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: transfer here and get minutes that maybe eluded you at

1118
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: your first stop or whatever else, but can you also

1119
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: use it for a younger player of Hey, you come here,

1120
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: I will develop you then where you can go to

1121
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: And I don't mean this as a disrespect to Indiana State,

1122
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: but go into say a Big ten program or you know,

1123
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. How do you balance I guess

1124
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: the way that the yin and the yang of how

1125
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: it can hurt and it can also help you.

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01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 6: Sure you know, I think in our case, our recruiting

1127
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 6: is always going to start in the state of Indiana.

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01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 6: It has and always will be as long as I'm here.

1129
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 6: When you go into the transfer portal, it's very important

1130
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 6: that you you know, you know.

1131
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 3: What you're looking for.

1132
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 6: You know there's things that you have to look for

1133
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 6: when you're when you're in the process of it. But

1134
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 6: the challenges are always the challenges.

1135
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 3: You know, we're all doing this for the first time.

1136
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 3: But I think the.

1137
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 6: Thing you got to look for is what's the best

1138
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 6: fit for you and what it is as you moved for.

1139
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 6: But in the end, you can reach the highest level

1140
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 6: that I always talk to these young men about is

1141
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 6: the NFL, And you can reach the NFL. When guys

1142
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 6: come to me and say, hey, I want to play

1143
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 6: at the highest level, the highest levels of the NFL,

1144
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 6: and you can reach all your goals here at Indiana State.

1145
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 6: But being here and we've got guys playing in the

1146
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 6: NFL that played here at Indiana State, and.

1147
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 3: But you try to sell them with that.

1148
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: Aspect speaking of the NFL. By the way, coach, your nephew, obviously,

1149
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: Will Mallory plays for the Colts, the tight end. He

1150
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: played collegiately at Miami. So I'm curious, does this being

1151
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: family divided on who you're rooting for?

1152
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 6: Well, you know, if Will was playing, it would always

1153
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 6: be family first. If he was on the team, then

1154
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 6: I'd be in a real uh dilemma.

1155
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 3: He's a cult, He's an Indianapolis cult. So I'm I'm

1156
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 3: rooting for the Indiana d.

1157
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: Percent Okay, And then he still has to sit at

1158
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: the kids table at Thanksgiving? Right? Is that right? Especially

1159
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: now tell.

1160
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 6: Him he's a grown up. But you know, it's really

1161
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 6: neat because having Will close has been really fun.

1162
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 3: And of course we have a guy.

1163
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 6: That played at indian you know, play State, Jonathan Edwards,

1164
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 6: who's also with the Indianapolis Colt, so it's neat to

1165
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 6: see those two together.

1166
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: We had Jonathan Edwards on the show at the beginning

1167
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: of the year and instantly I was like, you know what,

1168
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: if I had to go out and buy a jersey,

1169
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: it might be that kid's because he was a really

1170
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: impressive interview, really great story out of Saint Louis I

1171
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: believe was his hometown.

1172
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 6: Right, that's correct. Just a wonderful young man and we're

1173
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 6: all here so proud of him.

1174
01:04:58,600 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 3: You know.

1175
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: My finally, which I will tell you this, and I

1176
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: don't know what compels me to do this, but about

1177
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, every couple of months one of my

1178
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: favorite videos in sport history, and I'm sure you've seen it.

1179
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: I was so fired up in nineteen eighty seven. I'm

1180
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: in the eighth grade. I'm all about IU football. My

1181
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: friend's dad was on the board of trustees, so we

1182
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: were able to go down to games. My grandfather actually

1183
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: go down to games, and I was all in on

1184
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: IU football, big Hoosier fan, and I was so fired

1185
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: up for that game at Michigan State, stay out of

1186
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: the chits of fifty three yard or they go up

1187
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: three to nothing, and I'm like, they're going to the

1188
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: Rose Bull. They're going to the Rose bul. Michigan State

1189
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: wins that game, and then during the Michigan State celebration,

1190
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Michigan State you can hear they're

1191
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: kind of like, what's going on? They look over in

1192
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: this like red sequin crimson jacket walks in and your

1193
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: dad gives this speech that I'm thinking the Michigan State

1194
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: coaching staff's got to be like, that's a better pep

1195
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: speech than we could have given. It's you know what

1196
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, right, It's arguably the greatest two minute

1197
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: video in the history of Bill Mallory correct.

1198
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 6: Standing next to him. So what happened was we were

1199
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 6: coming off the field. We're walking up the tunnel. You

1200
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 6: go right to the to the visitors locker room, you

1201
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 6: go left to the home locker. He goes left. I said, dadvert,

1202
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 6: so this way I followed him in. I'm standing at

1203
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 6: the door well watching that. It didn't I knew what

1204
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 6: he was going to do. I knew who my dad

1205
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 6: was and I knew what he represented and that came

1206
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 6: from the heart and he meant what he met and

1207
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 6: he wanted them to go out there and represent the

1208
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 6: Big ten and.

1209
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: Get the w And for those that don't know what

1210
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: we're talking about, it's exactly that he went in during

1211
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: the Michigan State celebration. And I don't know whether or

1212
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: not it was that he said to someone, Hey, I've

1213
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: got something to say, or whether they just figured out

1214
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: he had something to say. But the thing Coach, to

1215
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: me that was the most impressive about it was when

1216
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: you watch that video. Here are you know, sixty seventy

1217
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: young guys that play for Michigan State, and they literally

1218
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,919
Speaker 1: all sat there and took a knee and he had

1219
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: their undivided hero pin drop attention. And that's a football coach, right,

1220
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: That's a football coach.

1221
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 3: No doubt.

1222
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 6: And just the respect that he had for them the

1223
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 6: conference and then they in the and the respect was

1224
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 6: mutual Coach Furlis, and they had for my father and

1225
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 6: their program. It was it was out of respect and

1226
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 6: you felt that.

1227
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: Well, should Indiana win on Monday night? And I, you know,

1228
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to jinx anything. I think they've got

1229
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: a very very very very good chance. But should they

1230
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: win on Monday Night, and even if they don't, just

1231
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: being on that stage in this moment, I told Don Fisher,

1232
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: the two guys that I keep going back to and

1233
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: thinking about. Terry Heppner had the vision that this was possible,

1234
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: and Bill Mallory had the execution over his time there

1235
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: to plant the seed for it. So I certainly hope

1236
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: for you, your mom, coach, and for your family all.

1237
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: But will I guess that you're able to enjoy Monday Night, Well, there's.

1238
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 6: No doubt we'll be television and it's gonna be rooting.

1239
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: Hard for the coach. I appreciate it, but look forward

1240
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: to talking to you during the football season. Thank you

1241
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: so much for having me appreciate it. Kurt Mallory the

1242
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: head football coach of the Indiana State Sycamores and his father,

1243
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: Bill Mallory, again legendary coach in Indiana. You know, I

1244
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: mean the Coach of the Year in nineteen eighty six

1245
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: and eighty seven within the conference. He is the first

1246
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: Bill Mallory. He was the first man to be a

1247
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: back to back winner of the Big Ten Coach of

1248
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: the Year award. If you can believe that, and the

1249
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: winningest coach in Indiana football history sixty nine seventy seven

1250
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: and three. And they had a run there. And when

1251
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: you hear that those numbers, if you weren't a round,

1252
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: then jump out and you go sixty nine seventy seven

1253
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: and three. Well you got to consider where they were

1254
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: when he got there. You know, Sam which had been

1255
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: the head coach, was there for a year, Bolton changed

1256
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: the uniforms Bolton and then went to you know, went

1257
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: into the NFL and Mallory took over it. And in

1258
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: the first year there, cupboard was pretty empty and they

1259
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: went winless in Bill Mallory's first year. So they're right there.

1260
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: You look at the record itself. So after that, sixty nine,

1261
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 1: sixty six and three, but the bowl games, for Indiana

1262
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: to go to a bowl game and that era meant everything.

1263
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that was almost inconceivable. The All American Bowl,

1264
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: which I'd have to look up where the All American

1265
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: Bowl was played. I don't even remember where that game

1266
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,919
Speaker 1: was played, but I know the Liberty Bowl was obviously

1267
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: in Memphis, Tennessee. The polon weededter Independence Bowl was in Shreveport, Louisiana.

1268
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: The Copper Bowl was in Arizona, and the Peach Bowl

1269
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: they went to twice in Georgia, obviously in Atlanta. But

1270
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: it just was the fact that all of it was

1271
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: in no way, shape or form before he got there

1272
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: even a possibility. And to go and to be playing

1273
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: against Florida State and Auburn and Tennessee and South Carolina

1274
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: and Baylor, to be in the mix and in the

1275
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: conversation of those things, huge kudos and to Bill Mallory

1276
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: and just a principled guys guy, straight up football coach.

1277
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: Purdue is an action tonight on the round ball side

1278
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 1: of things. They'll be taking on the Iowha gys. That

1279
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,560
Speaker 1: game six thirty tonight. You can see it on the

1280
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: Big Ten Network. And you know, last night in college basketball,

1281
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: Iowa State, who I have not seen a lot of

1282
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: except for their game against Purdue, and they went into

1283
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: Allen Fieldhouse. One of what five unbeatens left Bill Mallory's

1284
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: alma mater, Miami of Ohio being one of them, Arizona

1285
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: and Vanderbilt in Nebraska. I think that's everybody. Michigan, No,

1286
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: Michigan lost it. The Michigan just lost to Nebraska. But

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Speaker 1: either way, Iowa State just had one of those games

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Speaker 1: where like it sank and sand on them quickly, and

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Speaker 1: that's a tough place to play Allen Fieldhouse. Obviously, Kansas

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Speaker 1: has been down. Their best player was back last night

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Speaker 1: but then left again due to cramping. But Kansas just

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Speaker 1: one of those nights where everything went the way of Kansas,

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Speaker 1: and Iowa is one of those teams that can be

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Speaker 1: that way. They can be tricky. But what are the

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Speaker 1: challenges for Purdue and what are the areas that Purdue,

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Speaker 1: perhaps without us realizing it, has shored themselves up now

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Speaker 1: is you get thick into conference play. We will talk

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Speaker 1: about that and more. Bobby Riddell joins US next Perdue

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Speaker 1: in Action tonight, the Boilers hosting what I think might

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01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: be a little bit tricky, and I will explain what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about with our next guest, who joins the

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Speaker 1: program on the Java House Peel and Port Guest Line.

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Speaker 1: He is a member of the Purdue Basketball Radio Network,

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01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: Bobby Riddell joining us and Bobby Iowa. I think for

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01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 1: any matchup for Purdue, you look towards it and you say, okay,

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01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: advantage Purdue because they are loaded and they're fabulous and

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01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: their experience that they have everything you're looking for. But

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01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: Iowa's coming in on a little bit of a skid.

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Speaker 1: Yet at the same time, they are a sneaky, tough

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Speaker 1: opponent to me. Agreed or disagree, Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 7: And yeah, first off, thanks Jake for having me on

1312
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 7: and talking to boiler Maker hoops. Yeah, I think this

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01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 7: Iowa team is definitely a sneaky team because they play

1314
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 7: a little bit of a slower pace. You know, they

1315
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 7: limit the possessions. When you're a great offensive team like Purdue,

1316
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Speaker 7: you want as many possessions as possible, typically as far

1317
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 7: as from an offensive standpoint, to be able to, you know,

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Speaker 7: let your great offense flourish. So with the way a

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01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 7: team like Iowa can slow the pace down, granted, Purdue

1320
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 7: can also play great half court basketball, and it is

1321
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 7: fine playing a slower pace the nature of the beast.

1322
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Speaker 7: When you have lesser possessions, there's you know, less variance,

1323
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,919
Speaker 7: I feel like, And so this Iowa team is definitely

1324
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 7: a potential problem. They've got a great point guard in

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Speaker 7: their own right, and Bennett Sturts, the transfer from Drake

1326
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 7: who was a phenomenal player last year at Drake and

1327
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Speaker 7: preseason All American has looked the part so far this

1328
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 7: year with Iowa, and Purdue's going to have to be

1329
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 7: locked in with him, you know. Defensively, produced had some

1330
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Speaker 7: ups and downs this year. Both these teams ranked very

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01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 7: similar in defensive efficiency in the nation, I think nineteenth

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Speaker 7: and twentieth respectively. So both these defenses are comparable thus far.

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Speaker 7: And I always got a great coach, Ben McCollum. He's

1334
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 7: had a lot of success throughout the course of his career,

1335
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Speaker 7: so you know, he's going to have his guys prepared

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01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 7: and just human nature. Right, They've lost two games in

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01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 7: a row, so they're going to be a little hungrier,

1338
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 7: going to be a little bit more desperate. And if

1339
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 7: Purdue's not able to kind of match that desperation, Purdue

1340
01:13:58,400 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 7: could be in trouble.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm going off of a maybe a false

1342
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: perception here, Bobby, But Ben McCollum and the style of

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01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: play that he typically has done has been kind of lull,

1344
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: slow you down, you know, bloody knuckle type basketball. And

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01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: maybe that's totally inaccurate. Is there some truth to that?

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01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: In other words, can Iowa? Is Iowa a team that

1347
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: will play a style that, if you're not careful, can

1348
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: take you away from what it is that you want

1349
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 7: No, I think you're spot on. I think that there's

1351
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 7: a lot of his mo I think offensively, a lot

1352
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 7: of what they preach is, you know, move the basketball,

1353
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 7: don't take bad shots, work it side to side, use

1354
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 7: you know, the shot clock to try to get a

1355
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 7: great shot. And the way defenses function, more often than

1356
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 7: not is the more you make a defense play, the

1357
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 7: more you move the ball from side to side, the

1358
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 7: more actions you run, the more opportunity there is for

1359
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 7: a defense to have breakdowns.

1360
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Speaker 5: And then they seem to be.

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Speaker 7: That type of offense that really likes to capitalize and

1362
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 7: exploit a defensive breakdown. And those are those a curve

1363
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 7: more often than not later in the shock clock when

1364
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 7: you make a team defend, and uh, you know, fatigue

1365
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 7: and things of that nature start to settle in on

1366
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 7: that sort of possession. And uh, he obviously has to

1367
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 7: have good players to excute that, but I think he

1368
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 7: does a great job coaching his team into you know,

1369
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 7: be patient, use the clock, run our stuff, and then

1370
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 7: eventually the other team's going to break down if we

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01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 7: do what we're supposed to do throughout the course of

1372
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Speaker 7: a possession, and once they do, then we capitalize. And

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Speaker 7: uh yeah, I think he's you know, had a lot

1374
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 7: of success with this formula, so he's probably somebody that

1375
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 7: feels very confident in it. And it's definitely a you know,

1376
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 7: type of style that you don't see a ton so

1377
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Speaker 7: it will be interesting to see how Predue adapts to it.

1378
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Speaker 1: And I am Bobby Riddelle is the color analyst for

1379
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: Purdue basketball radio broadcast, joining us now on the Java House,

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Speaker 1: Peel and Poor Guest Line Boilers Iowa Tonight. Bobby. One

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Speaker 1: of the things that I have always felt about elite teams,

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01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: and I do think Purdue is an elite team, is

1383
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: that the true sign sometimes of a great team is

1384
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: that they find ways to win games when they don't

1385
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 1: have great nights and they just you know, they're taken

1386
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: out of a rhythm or they're kind of sleepwalking, and

1387
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Speaker 1: then yet they find a way. Has Purdue had those

1388
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 1: games this year?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they have. And I think you're right.

1390
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 7: I think a great team is kind of able to

1391
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 7: win in a multitude of ways. Can you know, win

1392
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 7: with its offense and the defense, isn't quite there, or

1393
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 7: if the other team is hitting shots at a high clip.

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Speaker 7: I feel like the Penn State game was kind of

1395
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 7: an example of that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we.

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Speaker 7: Definitely had some breakdowns, no question, but I also thought

1398
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Speaker 7: Penn State had a really impressive shot making type of

1399
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 7: Game two, and instead of that, you know, being our downfall,

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01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 7: our offense was elite that night as well and was

1401
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 7: able to carry us the victory. And I think we've

1402
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 7: also had some performances this year or the offense was

1403
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 7: a little lackluster, the shot making wasn't going down, but

1404
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 7: the defense and the rebounding and things of that nature

1405
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 7: were able to still allow us to come home with

1406
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 7: a victory. And so yeah, I think this team can

1407
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Speaker 7: win in lots of ways. It's much more versatile than

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01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 7: it was last season, and you know, that's the type

1409
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 7: of team you need to make a long run in March.

1410
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 7: Typically is a team that can whether a bad shooting

1411
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 7: night or at least I don't think you can really

1412
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 7: have a horrific shooting night and win very often, especially

1413
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 7: when you get the instantly tournament and you're playing other

1414
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 7: good teams, but you can hopefully withstand maybe just a

1415
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 7: subpar shooting night, as long as you do, you know,

1416
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 7: a bunch of those other things that help you win

1417
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 7: basketball games. And I think this Predude team is equipped

1418
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 7: to do that. So I think that's a great sign

1419
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 7: for the team. And you know, last year's team, for example,

1420
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 7: it just kind of felt like if we didn't play

1421
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 7: great offensively, we were going to have a tough time

1422
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 7: beating really good teams. And you know, this year's team

1423
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 7: I think has the opportunity to, you know, win in

1424
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 7: different ways.

1425
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: With the Iowa State game, which I know now feels

1426
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: like ancient history, but I watched Iowa State last night

1427
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: and they just went't you know, you have games like this, Bobby,

1428
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: right where you go in I don't know if you

1429
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: watched Iowa State against Kansas last night, but just everything's

1430
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 1: going the way one team and the other one just

1431
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: they're just every door's locked. Right. Did Iowa State expose

1432
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: something about Purdue that others have tried to now replicate

1433
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: or was it just one of those days a combination?

1434
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 7: For sure, I did. I was able to catch some

1435
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 7: of that second half last night between I was Stay

1436
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 7: and Kansas. I saw that halftime score and I was like, well,

1437
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 7: I've seen in Iowa State have some really impressive second

1438
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 7: half this year. Of course, one in Macerreena against US,

1439
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 7: and then when they played their art Tribal Iowa earlier

1440
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 7: this year, they also had a awesome second half comeback

1441
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 7: and that one. So I was like, I got to

1442
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 7: tune into this and see if they can pull off

1443
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 7: the comeback at Kansas. And they made a little run there,

1444
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 7: but eventually Kansas held on. And yeah, I think our

1445
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 7: game in Mackew with them was a combination of that

1446
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 7: where I do think their style of play. I mean,

1447
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 7: obviously they're they're a good team, they got talent, they're

1448
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 7: well coached, got veterans. But I think their defensive style

1449
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 7: of play, and you know, it was a good game

1450
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 7: plan that night. They were going to be okay with

1451
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 7: you know, some some of Purdue's role players getting open

1452
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 7: shots and we're going to live with uh giving up

1453
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 7: shots of those guys that weren't super high percentage shooters.

1454
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 7: And I thought they did a good job of executing that.

1455
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,799
Speaker 7: You know, sometimes easier said than done pulling that off,

1456
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 7: and unfortunately for Purdue in that particular night, some of

1457
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 7: those guys that aren't produced go to players did have

1458
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 7: off nights shooting, you know, relatively wide open shots, and

1459
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 7: you know, it was kind of a perfect storm where

1460
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 7: Purdue missed a lot of wide open shots. Granted they

1461
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 7: were a lot of them are threes, and that was

1462
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 7: kind of by design by i was defense. They weren't

1463
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 7: going to allow Perdue to get a lot of easy

1464
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 7: shots in the paint. But Perdue did get a lot

1465
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 7: of open shots, they just didn't go down. And then

1466
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 7: the Iowa State's credit, they got scorching hot in the

1467
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 7: second half, and then it kind of was just a

1468
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 7: snowball effect. It felt like where nothing's going our way,

1469
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 7: everything's going their way, and and then you know, once

1470
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 7: you kind of get down double figures, then it felt

1471
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 7: like Produce start to maybe do some uncharacteristic things. Got

1472
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 7: it down to ten at one point, and then Manchilovitch

1473
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 7: had a really tough fadeaway shot along the baseline as

1474
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 7: a shock like expired, and that kind of felt like

1475
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 7: it stole our soul there and tempered any sort of

1476
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 7: comeback we could pull off. But so tip tip cat

1477
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 7: the Iowa State that evening. But I do think if

1478
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 7: we played them again, based on the quality of shot

1479
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 7: we got for a majority of the night. I do

1480
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 7: think it could definitely be a different story.

1481
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: How would you assess the development and contribution to this

1482
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: point versus where you would anticipate where you anticipated it

1483
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: being of Daniel Jacobson.

1484
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 7: Man, he's been phenomenal. I've been really impressed with him.

1485
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 7: I was impressed with him in some of the small

1486
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 7: sample sizes I saw last year, so I'm not totally

1487
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 7: surprised to see him having the level of success he's having.

1488
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 7: Of course, you know, he was making those USA you know,

1489
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 7: under eighteen, under nineteen teams, and you know they don't

1490
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 7: just let any Joe Schmoe, you know, make those teams

1491
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 7: of course, so clearly a guy who's got some ability,

1492
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 7: and they had caught the eye of those USA guys.

1493
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 7: So definitely, you know, when you're seven foot four with

1494
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 7: his sort of athleticism, he's got one of the better

1495
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 7: vertical jumps on the team, so he's a pretty good athlete.

1496
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 7: And then when you combine that with his size and

1497
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 7: the length, it's it's definitely a problem. And I feel

1498
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 7: like he's got pretty good hands, pretty good feel around

1499
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 7: the basket. He's got a nice jump hook, so Yeah,

1500
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 7: he's been a huge asset for this team and you know,

1501
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 7: such a luxury to be able to have him off

1502
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 7: the bench. You know, you don't don't require him to

1503
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 7: take the lion's share of the minutes in his first

1504
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 7: real college basketball see. Then you know he's able to

1505
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 7: kind of pick a spots come in, give Oscar Cluff

1506
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 7: a break here there, impact games with the shot blocking,

1507
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 7: with his lob threat on offense, and you know him

1508
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 7: and Braiden, their connection continues to grow on that sort

1509
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,839
Speaker 7: of pick and roll activity with him dive into the basket.

1510
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 7: So been really impressed to Daniel. He's you know, he's

1511
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 7: not perfect. He's got some deficiencies. He needs to continue

1512
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 7: to get stronger, work on that lower body, you know,

1513
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 7: his his balance, things of that nature when he's dealing

1514
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 7: with contact and the paint. But yeah, I think he's

1515
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 7: a you got phenomenal upside and is obviously a you know,

1516
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 7: important piece of what Purdue's doing this year.

1517
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: That is the voice of Bobby Riddelle. You hear it

1518
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: on Purdue Radio broadcast Boilers and I with tonight. All right, Bobby,

1519
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: in the time that you've done radio, in the times

1520
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 1: that you were interviewed as a player all of the

1521
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: times that you have broken down basketball games. I am

1522
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: now going to present to you the question that probably

1523
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: for the rest of your career you will say I

1524
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: was once asked the dumbest question I've ever been asked

1525
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: on the radio. Are you ready? I usually want up

1526
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: myself with this stuff on the regular but here it is.

1527
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: Braiden Smith is now the all time assist leader in

1528
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: Big Ten basketball history, and in watching him, oftentimes the

1529
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: passes that he makes, the velocity on the ball, where

1530
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: he can reverse the ball, he can do different things,

1531
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: find guys in spots. There is obviously a symbiotic nature

1532
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: in which, whether it's Fletcher Lawyer or Trey Kaufman Rehn,

1533
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: where he anticipates where they're going to be. You played

1534
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: the guard position. Which of the following two things is

1535
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: the more impressive that makes Braiden Smith so unique? Is

1536
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 1: it the vision to see things before they unfold and

1537
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: know where the ball needs to be versus where it is?

1538
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 1: Or is it actually the physical nature of the distribution

1539
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 1: of the basketball at the speed in which he can

1540
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: do it that makes him unique. Does that make sense

1541
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:57,799
Speaker 1: what I'm asking?

1542
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's I wish I had both, honestly as a

1543
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 7: player of my goodness.

1544
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:05,919
Speaker 1: Is it the dumbest question you've been asked.

1545
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 7: No, it's not dumb, because I mean, I think it's both.

1546
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 7: I mean, I think you have to say they both

1547
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 7: because just you know, I was clearly not even close

1548
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 7: to as good as player as Braden, but I was

1549
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 7: able to play guard in the Big Ten, you know,

1550
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 7: and got you know, some minutes here or there, and

1551
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 7: just and obviously was able to compete in practice every

1552
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 7: day against the likes of Robbi Hummel, and he saw

1553
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 7: Moore and John Johnson, Chris Kramer, a number of quality

1554
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:31,719
Speaker 7: Big Ten players.

1555
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,799
Speaker 5: So it's the vision.

1556
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 7: It's the ability to see guys open, like especially like

1557
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 7: on the far side of the floor while you're dealing

1558
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 7: with pressure, while you're navigating ball screens, and you got

1559
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 7: you know, six eight to seven foot dudes high hedging you,

1560
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 7: and you know, all the bodies. His ability to see

1561
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 7: guys open that are not necessarily you know, one pass away,

1562
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 7: guys that are multiple passes away oftentimes you know, just

1563
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 7: one pass. If you're able to make a skip pass

1564
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:01,799
Speaker 7: like you can, that vision is incredible. And then just yeah,

1565
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 7: the moxie and the confidence to be able to see

1566
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 7: it and then execute you know, want to execute it.

1567
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 7: So there's almost a second step. It's seeing it, it's

1568
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 7: then secondly having the confidence to pull it off, and

1569
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 7: then third being able to physically have the you know,

1570
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 7: attributes to arm strength, the you know, to touch the field,

1571
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 7: to be able to whip those passes around. It's all

1572
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 7: those things. It's it's unbelievable to me some of the

1573
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 7: passes he attempts, and then when he does attempt them,

1574
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 7: he just you know, puts it right on the money

1575
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 7: more often than not. He's incredible.

1576
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:40,919
Speaker 1: Has it changed has watching him and in doing games

1577
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 1: broadcasting games he's playing, Has it opened your eyes or

1578
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 1: changed the way that you can see the floor because

1579
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: you now better anticipate what he's anticipating?

1580
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 7: Oh, no doubt. I mean it just makes you watching.

1581
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 7: You know, when he's got the ball it you start

1582
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 7: to find yourself kind of looking at different parts of

1583
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 7: the or to see who may or may not be

1584
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 7: open then you would with a normal player. And it's

1585
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 7: that step. I'll never forget a pass he made his

1586
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 7: freshman year and that's when I you know, I knew

1587
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 7: he was unbelieva already, but we were playing at Florida State,

1588
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 7: so this was in the Big ten ACC Challenge, so

1589
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:17,759
Speaker 7: it would have been still pretty early in the season.

1590
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,759
Speaker 7: He had already like worked his magic out in Portland

1591
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 7: when we, you know, won that tournament against Duke and Gonzagen,

1592
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 7: so I already knew he was elite.

1593
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 3: But he had a pass.

1594
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 7: He was on the dribble, dribbling right in front of

1595
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 7: produced bench. Caleb First was in the far corner on

1596
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 7: the opposite side of the floor, and Braden's dealing with

1597
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 7: some pressure from like, you know, a six four to

1598
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 7: sixty five athletic guy Garden in full court. He starts

1599
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 7: bringing it on the dribble in front of our bench

1600
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 7: and all in one motion, just whips it with his

1601
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 7: right hand fully across his body, across court and it's

1602
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 7: Caleb First right in the shot pocket and he buries

1603
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 7: a three. And I had the perfect vantage points. I

1604
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 7: was sitting right next to our bench and just saw

1605
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 7: the whole pass unfold, and I was like, how in

1606
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 7: the world did he first off see Caleb, but then

1607
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 7: let alone and you know, have the ability to execute it.

1608
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 7: And it's that type of pass that he makes on

1609
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 7: the regular now, and yeah, he's a special player. It's

1610
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 7: been a joy to watch him. And yeah, I wish

1611
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 7: I wish I had half of his creative talent.

1612
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: Listen, they got to bring you some joy if you

1613
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: got to sit next to Rob Blackman for two and

1614
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: a half hours, right, I mean there's got to be

1615
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: some trade off, right, I mean, let's be right.

1616
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 7: I mean that's a huge straight off. You're dealing with

1617
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 7: Rob and he's an Indiana broadcaster the years, and that

1618
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 7: his head is just getting you know.

1619
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: The size of Eddie.

1620
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 5: Ye, yeah, and.

1621
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 7: Uh yeah, thankfully I have some quality basket want to

1622
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 7: watch while I deal with Rob.

1623
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate the time as always. We will be

1624
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 1: listening tonight for doing IOWA Wednesday Wednesday. I said that

1625
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: today is Wenesday, Tonight six thirty. Big ten Network is

1626
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: where you can see the game as well. Bobby, appreciate

1627
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: the time as always.

1628
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 5: Awesome.

1629
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks Jake, thanks for having me on.

1630
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: And you have go Boilers, Eddie, you played the you

1631
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: keep playing the Wednesday hump day deal. Now it's stuck

1632
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: in my head. Today is Wednesday, Yes, And I tell you, well,

1633
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 1: I just I was sitting here, and I'm like, Purdue

1634
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: Iowa Wednesday, Well, yes, of course Wednesday, that's tonight. I

1635
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: Have you ever had one of those weeks where your

1636
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: day is thrown off?

1637
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 2: Like it happened to me yesterday, Remember, because I thought

1638
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 2: yesterday was Monday. Yeah, I had that first weekend.

1639
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah it's in Unfortunately Monday. I kept thinking it was Tuesday.

1640
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: So like my I'm my days are all thrown off here, Yeah,

1641
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:24,919
Speaker 1: all thrown.

1642
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 2: Off, especially when we had the uh, you know, New

1643
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: Year's Eve off, New Year's Day off, and then we

1644
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 2: came back for that Friday show, like I was not

1645
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 2: right for it.

1646
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: I kind of liked the working on January second thing

1647
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: because it's always so tough to come back off of

1648
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: New Year's and so the doing the January second deal

1649
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: to me was kind of nice because it was a

1650
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: slow re entry back into life, if you will. As opposed,

1651
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: I can't imagine taking three weeks off and then that

1652
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: January fifth has to be that. It was just just depressed, right,

1653
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: So it's kind of nice to dip the toe in

1654
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: the water a little bit. I would the Colts have

1655
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to dip their toe in the water

1656
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: of a coaching frenzy if they had not made a move,

1657
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: and is there a mistake in that? I don't think so.

1658
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: I think they made the right decision in keeping Chris

1659
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: Ballard and Changsteichen. Let me explain, though, because it's there's

1660
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 1: more to it than what I just said. You going

1661
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: with some golden oldies today, Eddie.

1662
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

1663
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 1: Thanks making me feel old again? Is that it?

1664
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 2: No? No, no new?

1665
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 1: Is there a theme for this?

1666
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 2: No?

1667
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I like it. I mean there before my time? But

1668
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: everybody knows these songs, right, yeah, I mean raise the best. Okay,

1669
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 1: A couple of notes here before I get into the

1670
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: colts discussion that I just mentioned. First off, if anybody

1671
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: besides me and I think there are a lot is

1672
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: watching the show land Man, you are not correct, Eddie

1673
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: Billy about Thornton on paramount, I have not Okay, if

1674
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: anybody is watching the show Landman and is caught up,

1675
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: I had made a prediction to someone about a month ago,

1676
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: I go, you know what, here's exactly where I think

1677
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: this is headed.

1678
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 2: Was it mac Ingle?

1679
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: It was not mac Ingle?

1680
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:27,719
Speaker 2: Was it Jeff George?

1681
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 5: It was?

1682
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: Yes? How did you know that?

1683
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 2: I remember the last time we had Jeff George on.

1684
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 2: It might have been the last time, one of the

1685
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 2: two recent times. He may mention that if he's not,

1686
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 2: you know, on the phone with you at three am

1687
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 2: in the morning, he's watching a man.

1688
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: That's correct. So I said to him, I said in a text,

1689
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,679
Speaker 1: and I said, here's what I'm predicting is going to happen.

1690
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 1: And in the latest episode there was a there is

1691
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: a curve ball. There's a development in the show, an

1692
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: overcorrect of the wheel, if you will. And I thought

1693
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: to myself, Okay, yeah, I think I was onto something.

1694
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 1: I think exactly what I predicted is happening. But other

1695
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 1: than Jeff, I don't There's nobody that I talked to

1696
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:10,640
Speaker 1: about the show. So if you are watching, and I

1697
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 1: have a couple of other observations about the show, if

1698
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: you're watching it, send me a text and let me

1699
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: know if you're caught up, because I don't want to

1700
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: spoil anything for anybody. So that's number one. Number two. Tonight,

1701
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: I will not be going to the Pacer game taking

1702
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: on the raptor seven o'clock at the field House because

1703
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm excited about this. We're going to the

1704
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: MJ musical The Michael Jackson Miss on Broadway. Well it's

1705
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: off Broadway, but yes, the Broadway show.

1706
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know a friend of the show, Scott

1707
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 2: Agneswing and saw that last night.

1708
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 1: I believe it's apparently pretty good, right, I don't know?

1709
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: So if you are going to that tonight, say hi.

1710
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 2: Igorham Shannon or is this Emily Longnecker? Which wife is

1711
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 2: you taking?

1712
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 1: Share?

1713
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 2: The one that should be your wife and the one

1714
01:31:58,200 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 2: that is your wife?

1715
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm Shannon's plus one everything, So I'm I ride along.

1716
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: I'm riding the coattails. Okay, okay, Eddie. If you were

1717
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 1: an NFL.

1718
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 2: Coach, that's scary if.

1719
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: You were looking for If you were a coach like

1720
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 1: a Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh, you're an established coach

1721
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 1: and theoretically you could have your pick of where you go.

1722
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 1: What would be in your What do you think would

1723
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 1: be the four most common factors that make a coaching

1724
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 1: job desirable?

1725
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 3: Well?

1726
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 2: Number one would be the quarterback. Do you have that

1727
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 2: position figured out?

1728
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 1: Like?

1729
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 2: Is it a guy that you know has you know

1730
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 2: has talent? Is a guy that you recently drafted I

1731
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 2: need to continue to develop?

1732
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: Okay? Number two?

1733
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 2: Factor Number two would be, are there what's the age

1734
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 2: of the roster? Am I looking at a younger roster

1735
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 2: that just needs the right sort of mentorship and teaching

1736
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 2: and coaching, or is it an older roster that's got

1737
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,719
Speaker 2: some back contracts that we're going to be third building?

1738
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 2: With number three? It would have to be probably how

1739
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 2: soon are the expectations to win?

1740
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 1: Okay?

1741
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 2: Is it a median or is it I have a couple.

1742
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: Of years okay? And then the last factor I.

1743
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,719
Speaker 2: Could also see, like the history of said franchise okay,

1744
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 2: like is there a history with them? Am I trying

1745
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 2: to build something up for the first time?

1746
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 1: Okay?

1747
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 2: Et cetera, et cetera.

1748
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, when the year came to

1749
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: an end, we had question whether or not the Colts

1750
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: would retain Chris Ballard, retain Shane Stikeen, fire Chris Ballard

1751
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 1: and retain Shane Stikeen, fire Shane Steiken and retain Chris Ballard,

1752
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: fire both whatever it might be, all the factors, and

1753
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 1: I said and have said all along that I did

1754
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: feel like and I know that change is hard, and

1755
01:33:56,160 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: I know that there's never really a good time for change,

1756
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 1: and it's always you're always apprehensive, You're always a little

1757
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 1: bit nervous about a new venture or a big decision.

1758
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 1: And I understood the familiarity standpoint for Carli erse Gordon

1759
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 1: of having and the comfort level, the safety net of

1760
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 1: having a right hand person with which she's familiar, which

1761
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: would be the case obviously with Chris Ballard. She has

1762
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: familiarity with him, she knows what he brings to the table.

1763
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 1: She's venturing into this new frontier as a CEO, and

1764
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 1: does she find comfort in that? And I understand all

1765
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: of those things, but was still saying that with seventy

1766
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,040
Speaker 1: seventy eight and one and kind of the same song

1767
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 1: and dance, the same excuses, the same explanations year and

1768
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:01,640
Speaker 1: year out, with nothing against Chris Ballard from a personal standpoint,

1769
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: it seemed to me, from a football standpoint, like emphatically

1770
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 1: they needed to go ahead because there's never a perfect

1771
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:13,679
Speaker 1: time and make the move. And yet with the things

1772
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 1: that you just mentioned, I had not a change of heart,

1773
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 1: but an epiphany. I'll tell you about that and we'll

1774
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: get back into why it is so important. What's going

1775
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 1: to happen Monday night next? That's right, because the image

1776
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,759
Speaker 1: and the style that you have of the Colts. Stop

1777
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,799
Speaker 1: what you're doing, because I'm about to ruin it. Okay,

1778
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 1: even though I think realistically most of you have this

1779
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 1: image in this style of it. Look at the jobs

1780
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 1: that are open right now in the National Football League

1781
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: from a head coaching standpoint. The Baltimore Ravens, the New

1782
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:55,719
Speaker 1: York Giants, the Miami Dolphins, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Arizona Cardinals,

1783
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, the Las Vegas Raiders, the Tennessee Titans,

1784
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. Now not all, not all, but most

1785
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 1: of them. And I think Eddie's explanation of what a

1786
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 1: coach would be looking for are pretty accurate. Those four

1787
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 1: who's the quarterback going to be, what's the age of

1788
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 1: the roster, what's the sense of urgency? And what's the

1789
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 1: franchise history of stability? Most of the teams that are

1790
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 1: looking for a coach right now grade better than the

1791
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 1: Colts in at least two, if not three, or four

1792
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 1: of those categories categories. Eddie, give me a number again,

1793
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 1: one through nine. I have all nine listed right here.

1794
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: Give me number one through nine, eight.

1795
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 2: I'll try to avoid the numbers I did earlier.

1796
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: Number eight Okay, Number eight would be the Tennessee Titans.

1797
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: The Tennessee Titans have their quarterback. It would appear they

1798
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 1: have the number one pick in the draft from last

1799
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 1: year in cam Ward, who I think started to show

1800
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of growth towards the end of the year.

1801
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: I believe I could be wrong in this. They have

1802
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 1: a very young roster. I think because of the young

1803
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,639
Speaker 1: roster and the young quarterback, you're going to be given

1804
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: probably two years before it's expected that you're going to

1805
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 1: be competing within the division or whatever it may be.

1806
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: And you might be looking at the AFC South saying,

1807
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 1: boy Houston and that defense is awfully good, and Jacksonville

1808
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 1: is showing some progress, but it's still Jacksonville and Indianapolis

1809
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 1: seems to be treading water. So you would look at

1810
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 1: the division and say, okay, there's some but then also

1811
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 1: just the franchise stability. I don't think that Tennessee probably

1812
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: seen as a wash with Indianapolis like I think I

1813
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 1: don't think the Titans are seen as an erratic dumpster fire,

1814
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 1: but I don't think the Colts are either in that regard.

1815
01:37:54,600 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 1: But in that case, Tennessee might intrigue you a little bit,

1816
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 1: little bit, Give me another team, give me another number.

1817
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 1: I will go with four, number four, Number four. Pittsburgh

1818
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 1: Steelers now don't have a quarterback, but and they have

1819
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 1: a roster that probably is you know, they've got.

1820
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 2: I think they have the oldest roster.

1821
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: You can say they got some pieces that are aging out. Yeah,

1822
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 1: but you also know you also know they've had three

1823
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: coaches in fifty eight years. Stability right there almost trumps

1824
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 1: everything else because you know, if you go there, because

1825
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,679
Speaker 1: of the fact that the roster is a little bit older,

1826
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: and there's huge question market quarterback that probably buys you

1827
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 1: minimum two to three years to get things rolling a

1828
01:38:53,000 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 1: little bit, and you have stability there. What I'm getting

1829
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 1: at is, I don't know that this went into the

1830
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: line of thinking, but we right now have nine, nine

1831
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: high nine head coaching vacancies in the National Football League,

1832
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 1: and that is the second highest number at any given

1833
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 1: time in the history of the league. I believe, and

1834
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:29,799
Speaker 1: perhaps the Colts looked at it and said, our quarterback

1835
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 1: situation is of question. We believe that Daniel Jones is

1836
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:40,799
Speaker 1: our guy, but he is coming off a pretty devastating injury.

1837
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 1: He is also not under contract. We have a player

1838
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,759
Speaker 1: that we drafted at the quarterback position that it looks

1839
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:50,520
Speaker 1: like we are going to have to move on from,

1840
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 1: and we don't have a first round pick the next

1841
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 1: two years. We have an older defensive end, we have

1842
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 1: an older guard, we have a slower linebacking corp, and

1843
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 1: we have two really good corners. But it is possible

1844
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 1: that the coach looked at it and said this just

1845
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 1: simply is not the time to make the move, because

1846
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 1: we're going to end up with a less than top

1847
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 1: tier coach or general manager, regardless of which situation they

1848
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 1: were going out and looking for someone, because if you're

1849
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 1: a GM, you're going into a situation saying, well, I

1850
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 1: don't want to go into a spot where I'm inheriting

1851
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 1: the coach and I don't know the quarterback, and then

1852
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 1: everything else that I just spelled out. I don't think

1853
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 1: that was the factor for Carli Ersa Gordon, but if

1854
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 1: it was, I can understand it. Not saying I wouldn't

1855
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: have made the move and made of a change at

1856
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 1: Chris Baller, but I can understand it if there was

1857
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 1: that much foresight and sometimes to look forward and look

1858
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 1: beyond the right now you take a look back at

1859
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: precedent as I talk about, or you just look at

1860
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: recency and then you look at a year ago versus

1861
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 1: a year from now and where things are, where they're

1862
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:14,639
Speaker 1: going to be, and et cetera. And maybe she did

1863
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 1: look at it and say, look, right now, I'm up

1864
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 1: to my it teeth and all kinds of stuff going

1865
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 1: on with being for the first time ever. And I

1866
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: know that she's been in the ownership role and been

1867
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: involved in everything else, but now that it is that

1868
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:32,519
Speaker 1: she is essentially her father entitle for the first time,

1869
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 1: maybe she looked at it and said, I just need

1870
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 1: another year to let dust settle a little bit. And

1871
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 1: I also anticipate that there are going to be other

1872
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 1: openings that are going to be very competitive towards finding

1873
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 1: the person that I think is the best for the job.

1874
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 1: And when people say, like, would Mike Tomlin come here

1875
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: to be GM or whatever, I think you got to

1876
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 1: look through that checklist.

1877
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 2: I don't think Mike Tomlin's even going to be on

1878
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 2: He's going to be on television. Yeah, I think he's

1879
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 2: going to go to show route. He's going to be

1880
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 2: He's ol with so much BS the last two three

1881
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 2: years in Pittsburgh, with ownership, with fans, with roster, Like

1882
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,640
Speaker 2: I think Tomlin is just in the mindset, I just

1883
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 2: need a break, I need to sit back. I need

1884
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 2: to get my juju back, you know. As Chris Ballard

1885
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 2: would put it.

1886
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: He could be a stand in for Omar Epsen movies. Yeah.

1887
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 2: The other thing I would also add here, Jake is

1888
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 2: something that was talked about by some of the NFL

1889
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:26,719
Speaker 2: national insiders going into the final weeks of the regular

1890
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 2: season is that there didn't appear to be this big

1891
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 2: name or big names of candidates out there. You're like,

1892
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:37,599
Speaker 2: that's the guy I've got to go interview. There wasn't

1893
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 2: a There's not a Ben Johnson in this group. There's

1894
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 2: not any of those premieer coordinators that you know for

1895
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 2: a fact that Kellen Moore, that are going to get

1896
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 2: their opportunity this upcoming cycle. Now, it just seems like

1897
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that are getting interviewed because

1898
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 2: a lot of teams don't really know what direction they're

1899
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 2: going to go just yet.

1900
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: Right understood, I mean that going which way they're going

1901
01:42:59,120 --> 01:42:59,719
Speaker 1: to go? Correct?

1902
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 2: Right, Like, you know Stefanski is going to end up somewhere,

1903
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 2: you know, Harball is going to end up somewhere.

1904
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: And you know that. Yeah, I mean eventually, Tomlin, whether

1905
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 1: it be TV or whatever's gotta end up with a

1906
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 1: job right now. In terms of where you've been and

1907
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:18,280
Speaker 1: where you're going, it goes back to something I mentioned earlier.

1908
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: Let me let me spell out what happened last night.

1909
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 1: Last night, I was caught up doing a couple of things.

1910
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: You're not spelling it out, though, joy and spilling. Am

1911
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 1: I spelling last space? Nigh? T comma. I So last

1912
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 1: night I was doing a couple of things and I

1913
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 1: finally got done and sat down and I opened my

1914
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 1: phone up and I see a message that Indiana is

1915
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 1: in a tight game with Michigan State. And I actually

1916
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 1: thought to myself, and I'm embarrassed to admit this, because

1917
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 1: I do a sports talk radio show in Indianapolis, I

1918
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 1: get it, but I thought i'd forgot that the game

1919
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:07,719
Speaker 1: was already underway, and oh they're in Michigan State. That's

1920
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:10,679
Speaker 1: and I like Daren DeVries and I liked this roster.

1921
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 1: I went down for their opener and I mentioned that

1922
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:16,480
Speaker 1: I like a lot of the players that Indiana has,

1923
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 1: but I also grew up the most rabid Indiana basketball

1924
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:22,720
Speaker 1: fan on the planet. There are people from the North

1925
01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 1: side of Indianapolis that hated I you because of me.

1926
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 1: I've lost that fandom a little bit because I try

1927
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: to have an objectivity with what I do. And I've

1928
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:33,679
Speaker 1: mentioned before, you just get kind of, you know, Steven

1929
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 1: Holder and I talked about it the other day on

1930
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 1: the air, you get kind of a desensitivity towards sport

1931
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 1: when you do what we do. It's the one, the

1932
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 1: only drawback of this job. So I'm not like the

1933
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 1: rabid fan that I once was, but I know, you know,

1934
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 1: I've got to be aware of and watch games and

1935
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 1: whatever else. And that's when I had the epiphany. I

1936
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 1: turned on the television because I saw that Indiana and

1937
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:58,680
Speaker 1: Michigan State were in a close game. And right when

1938
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:01,200
Speaker 1: I turned it on and the boom, it pops up

1939
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:02,839
Speaker 1: and I look at it and I put my glasses

1940
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 1: on it, and I'm like, does that say eighty one

1941
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:09,640
Speaker 1: fifty five? I'm like, or no, it might have been

1942
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: eighty four to fifty five. I think it was a

1943
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: twenty nine point game. And just then the announcer says,

1944
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: Michigan State on that twenty six to two run. And

1945
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned this earlier. I heard that twenty six to

1946
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 1: two run, and I'm looking at it and I'm figuring

1947
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 1: out and I'm subtracting and adding, and I'm going, Okay,

1948
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:30,640
Speaker 1: that means they were within five, because now they're down

1949
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 1: twenty nine, and the numbers are bouncing around in my head.

1950
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 1: They're bouncing around in my head like Alan counting cards

1951
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 1: in the Hangover. And then all of a sudden it

1952
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 1: hits me, twenty six and two. That's Kurt Signetti's record

1953
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 1: at Indiana. And then it hits me again tomorrow on

1954
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:55,800
Speaker 1: the show. Meeting today, gonna have Kurt Mallory on talk

1955
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 1: about that coming up later in the week. You know,

1956
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:01,479
Speaker 1: I've got to call into Michael Irvin. I have no

1957
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 1: idea whether or not that's ever going to come to

1958
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 1: Fruition and Clinton Portos will be on the show tomorrow

1959
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 1: from Miami, and I'm thinking about how so much time

1960
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:16,679
Speaker 1: and effort and outline is going into Indiana in Miami

1961
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:21,280
Speaker 1: and the College Football National Championship, the College Football National Championship,

1962
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 1: And that's when the epiphany hit me. We live in

1963
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: a world where now people multitask, probably more so than ever,

1964
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: but at the same time. In that multitasking, instead of

1965
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 1: two things that get fifty percent of your time each,

1966
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 1: you're doing like ten that get ten percent each. And

1967
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 1: it's harder to juggle and find something to focus on

1968
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:52,639
Speaker 1: more than one thing at a time per se. And

1969
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:57,680
Speaker 1: I thought about Indiana fans, and I thought about the

1970
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 1: lack of buzz about Indiana going up to play Michigan State,

1971
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:09,720
Speaker 1: and then it hit me, I think that Indiana basketball

1972
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 1: fans in combination of a number of things, the football

1973
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:22,559
Speaker 1: program doing what it's doing, but also the hindsight of

1974
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 1: if Indiana would have simply severed ties with Mike Woodson

1975
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:32,680
Speaker 1: a year earlier, they could have had their shot with

1976
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 1: Dusty May. I'm not saying that's factually what was reality,

1977
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, in the mind of an Indiana fan,

1978
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: you're looking at it and you're seeing Michigan right there

1979
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 1: dominating college basketball, just getting their first loss, you know,

1980
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:50,960
Speaker 1: making it through December unblemished and then dropping a game,

1981
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 1: but being right there at the top, and Dusty made

1982
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 1: their coach and all, and thinking about Indiana and what

1983
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 1: Kurt Signetty was able to do in just two years,

1984
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 1: and thinking about and thinking and I think so many

1985
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:03,320
Speaker 1: Indiana fans are looking at it saying, if we just

1986
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:06,639
Speaker 1: could have had Dusty May and kurtse signetty, we could

1987
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 1: literally be at the top of the polls and both

1988
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,639
Speaker 1: sports simultaneously. But we had to sit around on our

1989
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 1: hands and dilly dally around and wait for the right

1990
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 1: time to part ways with Mike Woodson and not do

1991
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 1: what was the obvious, but rather do with what was

1992
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 1: safe and convenient and nostalgic. And here we are. And

1993
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 1: I think that that delay in doing it, combined with

1994
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 1: and I think Darren Devrees a good coach, but we

1995
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 1: don't know a lot about him, and the combination of

1996
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: and then the transfer portal and all of these players

1997
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 1: that you know. I think Lamar Wilkerson is a very

1998
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 1: fun player to watch. He's a lightning and a bottle guy.

1999
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 1: But and codder Inwright plays hard and gritty and whatever else.

2000
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 1: There's likable players on the roster. But half the time

2001
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,320
Speaker 1: still you're like, and is that the Elon guy? Or

2002
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 1: is that the Steven F. Austin guy? Or is that

2003
01:48:56,479 --> 01:48:58,439
Speaker 1: the Drake guy? I can't remember which one came from?

2004
01:48:58,479 --> 01:49:02,000
Speaker 1: De Paul that's right, you know, et cetera. And so

2005
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 1: all of that factored in just made me come to

2006
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:10,439
Speaker 1: the epiphany that yes, it is not a trend that

2007
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:15,799
Speaker 1: means that it's permanent, but at least for the right now,

2008
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 1: it is completely shifted. And I never ever ever thought

2009
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 1: i'd say it where Indiana basketball fans are now prioritizing

2010
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:30,280
Speaker 1: emotionally and financially to the football side. And I think

2011
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 1: there are Indiana basketball fans that are die hard drive

2012
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:37,800
Speaker 1: through sleet storm in February to go watch games on

2013
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 1: a Tuesday night at eight o'clock in the Assembly Hall

2014
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 1: and sit in the balcony. There are those fans that

2015
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 1: are now the balconies are empty, and they're like, yeah,

2016
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm not going to drive down because I'd forgotten the

2017
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 1: game was even being played tonight or whatever it may be.

2018
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 1: And that's not to PAPU Indiana Basketball. That's I'm just

2019
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:59,680
Speaker 1: saying to me, I can't be the only one that realizes, like,

2020
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, before our eyes, there is a

2021
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 1: shift of emotional focus and investment. And yes, it's the

2022
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: National Championship game, Jake, of course, how I get it,

2023
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:16,439
Speaker 1: of course, but moving forward, it almost feels like Indiana

2024
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:19,720
Speaker 1: fans now moving forward if given their choice financially of

2025
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: investing season tickets or whatever it may be in one

2026
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 1: versus the other, that it's now like, no, no, no,

2027
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm all in on the football thing because they're not

2028
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 1: going away, and the future only looks brighter and brighter

2029
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 1: and brighter, and the basketball side just it's I don't

2030
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:39,280
Speaker 1: have the ten percent there because I'm prioritizing more than

2031
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:43,599
Speaker 1: ten percent over here. And as I was thinking about

2032
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 1: all of it, and I was watching it, and I

2033
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:47,799
Speaker 1: was thinking to myself, and then I was thinking about

2034
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 1: the journey of Indiana basketball, And in thinking about the

2035
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:53,320
Speaker 1: journey of Indiana basketball, what I thought about was, yes,

2036
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 1: there have been great moments. Tom Creane got them ranked

2037
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 1: number one, they had the watch shot. I get that,

2038
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 1: they went to the Sweet sixteen. I understand they beat

2039
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 1: Kentucky in the tournament. I get all that. But really

2040
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 1: the high mark in the last twenty five years was

2041
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 1: that miracle run in O two where they beat Duke

2042
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:18,240
Speaker 1: and it was unbelievable, and the block from aj Moye

2043
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 1: of Carlos Boozer and Coverdale hitting that backup of Duhan

2044
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 1: and all of that in O two and then they

2045
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 1: get to the title game and Jared Jefferies gets a

2046
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 1: put back and you're looking at it thinking, I cannot

2047
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:35,519
Speaker 1: believe that two years removed from the firing of Bob Knight,

2048
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 1: Indiana is on the brink here of winning the national

2049
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:41,479
Speaker 1: championship and leading Maryland with six minutes left in this game.

2050
01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 1: And then Maryland comes back and obviously wins. And then

2051
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:50,439
Speaker 1: I got to thinking about all of the teams that

2052
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:56,560
Speaker 1: we root for in Central Indiana, Butler basketball, Perdue basketball,

2053
01:51:56,600 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 1: Perdue football, the Colts, the Pacers, all of it. And

2054
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:05,160
Speaker 1: the Colts had their moment, obviously, Peyton Manning hoisting the

2055
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:09,639
Speaker 1: Lombardi rainstorm in Miami unbelievably awesome. But Jim Rsey had

2056
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 1: said multiple Lombardi's not about Star Wars numbers, but multiple Lombardies.

2057
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:18,360
Speaker 1: And they had the chance for the second and you

2058
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:21,760
Speaker 1: saw what happened with the Hank basket on sidekick and

2059
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 1: the Tracy Porter pick and the Pacers or excuse me,

2060
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 1: the Colts were right there on the cusp. The Colts

2061
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 1: were right there on the cusp. They got to the

2062
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 1: top of the mountain, but then they couldn't get that

2063
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:36,120
Speaker 1: last step over the ice in that last go round

2064
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 1: of it. Butler basketball an unbelievable story in going to

2065
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 1: back to back final fours. Who in the world would

2066
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 1: have ever anticipated that, an unbelievable story for Butler basketball,

2067
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:54,839
Speaker 1: and Gordon Hayward with his half court shot that nearly

2068
01:52:54,880 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 1: went in, and the incredible nature of what they nearly accomplished,

2069
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:04,320
Speaker 1: but it was right at the mountaintop and they couldn't

2070
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 1: get that last step over the ice. Purdue goes to

2071
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 1: the Final four, Zach EDI's team, and they go up

2072
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 1: against that no fault of Theirs, a team that it

2073
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:15,680
Speaker 1: was as precise and red hot as you're gonna find

2074
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 1: in Connecticut that year, and they got right there to

2075
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 1: the top and they couldn't get that last step over

2076
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,600
Speaker 1: the ice at the top of the mountain top. And

2077
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 1: then it goes without saying we all know, we all

2078
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:29,720
Speaker 1: know with the Pacers that if Tyrese Haliburton does not

2079
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 1: get hurt, they win that game. We all know it.

2080
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 1: And that was an awesome run and I will forever

2081
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 1: be grateful for the rest of my life and the

2082
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:43,520
Speaker 1: joy that was brought and that out of nowhere unexpected

2083
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:48,559
Speaker 1: run for the Pacers and the winning so many of

2084
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 1: those games in the final minutes and the game winning

2085
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 1: shots and all of it. It captivated the hearts of

2086
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:58,639
Speaker 1: all of Indiana because once again we were right there

2087
01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:01,719
Speaker 1: and everybody was talking about, Man, Indiana is the place

2088
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 1: to be. You got per New the number one team

2089
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 1: in college basketball, you got the Pacers right here in

2090
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 1: the finals. You got the Colts that all of a sudden,

2091
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, the first half of this year were eight

2092
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 1: seven and two or seven to one and eight and two,

2093
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 1: and the number one scene in the AFC Indiana is

2094
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 1: rocking baby. And yet each time the fever another one,

2095
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:28,519
Speaker 1: Kaylin Clark gets injured and the team is decimated of injury,

2096
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:31,759
Speaker 1: and they just keep putting in new pieces and in boom,

2097
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:33,760
Speaker 1: before you know it, right on the brink of a championship,

2098
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 1: couldn't get that last step over the ice at the

2099
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 1: top of the mountain. It's as if we can't have

2100
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:43,960
Speaker 1: nice things in Indiana. I'm not saying it's a curse.

2101
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:47,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's some sort of a hex that's

2102
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:51,040
Speaker 1: been put on Indiana sports because we've been very fortunate.

2103
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 1: But for Butler fans that are trying to recapture that

2104
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 1: glory Thad Mada trying to recapture that glory for Purdue fans,

2105
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 1: Golden opportunity, fabulous team this year, Matt Painter trying to

2106
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:12,680
Speaker 1: get back to the Final four and get that final

2107
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:15,720
Speaker 1: step that eluded them really almost at no fault of

2108
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 1: theirs and that championship game where Edie was brilliant but

2109
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 1: Connecticut was brilliant times five for Colts fans, like I

2110
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 1: just mentioned, for Pace, for all of it. This is

2111
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 1: the chance for now an Indiana team to go in

2112
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:38,280
Speaker 1: and get it done once again, the least likely of

2113
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:44,320
Speaker 1: any of them, Indiana football, and I think it's going

2114
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 1: to be tough. The more than I think about this game,

2115
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:50,040
Speaker 1: it feels like Fada Company that Indiana is going to

2116
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:54,800
Speaker 1: go in there and absolutely roll Miami. Because is Miami

2117
01:55:55,440 --> 01:56:02,000
Speaker 1: better than Alabama, who Indiana eviscerated. Is Miami better than Oregon,

2118
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:08,520
Speaker 1: who Indiana embarrassed. Is Miami better than Ohio State? Well, yes,

2119
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:11,720
Speaker 1: because they beat them. And that's where I get my pause,

2120
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 1: just when I think that Indiana is going to go

2121
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 1: out there and it's going to look just like what

2122
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 1: we've seen before. They're going to score quickly, They're not

2123
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 1: gonna make mistakes. They're going to take a seven point

2124
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 1: lead into a ten point lead, into a seventeen point lead,

2125
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you're gonna be looking

2126
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,960
Speaker 1: on social media and national prognosticators are going to be like, look,

2127
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:34,640
Speaker 1: they don't let their they don't take their foot off

2128
01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:36,880
Speaker 1: the gas. Guys. This game is just going to keep

2129
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:40,040
Speaker 1: going this way. The avalanche is going to continue. Just

2130
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:42,640
Speaker 1: when you're starting to think that that that's how it's

2131
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Speaker 1: going to go, I give it pause only because I

2132
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 1: know that Miami's the ten seed. I know that Miami

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01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 1: lost to Louisville and SMU. But to say that you

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Speaker 1: hold against Miami that lou and SMU are the reason

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Speaker 1: they can't win this game is the same as saying

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Speaker 1: that they'd be like saying, well, Indiana can't win because

2137
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:10,200
Speaker 1: they struggled against Penn State and Iowa. That's a lifetime ago.

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Speaker 1: The reality is that Miami and what Mario Cristobal has

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Speaker 1: done with this team is relied on the defensive nature

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Speaker 1: of their front four, where they have a couple of

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01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:25,280
Speaker 1: surefire first round picks right there, Okay, that's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two. They they can control possession, and they did

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01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 1: it against Ohio State. Indiana against Ohio State played brilliantly,

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Speaker 1: but late in the game Ohio State still has a

2145
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:44,440
Speaker 1: field goal that could have potentially taken that into overtime

2146
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:46,800
Speaker 1: or whatever it be, and Indiana's maybe on their heels

2147
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:51,480
Speaker 1: at that point. Ohio State against Miami, Miami controlled that

2148
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:53,880
Speaker 1: game and was up basically two scores for the better

2149
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Speaker 1: part of that game and kept the ball out of

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Speaker 1: that Ohio State offensive hands, and they took ball control

2151
01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:07,120
Speaker 1: and defense. Now they do have an ability, does Miami

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01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 1: to make the mistakes that turn the ball over that

2153
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 1: gives Indiana then the punchers not the puncher's chance that

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01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 1: gives Indiana the advantage.

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Speaker 2: Especially Carson Beck with his right arm.

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Speaker 1: Correct, I mean Carson Beck has They have had penalty

2157
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:25,720
Speaker 1: airs and turnover airs Indiana so far in the postseason,

2158
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:28,000
Speaker 1: not a single turnover, and they've taken away them all

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01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 1: four times from the opposition in two games. All things

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Speaker 1: point towards this being a fabulous and brilliant night for

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Speaker 1: Indiana football. But I'm just saying the more I think

2162
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 1: about it and the more I break it down, the

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01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 1: more I realize Miami is here for a reason. But

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Speaker 1: my long winded point is that each team in this market,

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Speaker 1: each team that we focus on, each team that we

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01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:55,360
Speaker 1: cover on in a number of different sports and gender,

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01:58:57,360 --> 01:59:01,760
Speaker 1: all have gotten right there and have captivated all of us,

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Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, more often than not, almost at

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01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,360
Speaker 1: no fault of the team, or the franchise or the

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Speaker 1: moment itself, the Indiana representation is the one that has

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01:59:14,120 --> 01:59:21,240
Speaker 1: come away wondering what if. And that's why the most

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01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:25,480
Speaker 1: unlikely of all of them is the one that I

2173
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:27,920
Speaker 1: think breaks the hecks and just says, you know what,

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Speaker 1: We're taking the final step over the ice. We're a

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01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 1: top of the mountain, and Indiana would win the national championship.

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Speaker 1: And as I said earlier, if you're a fan of

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame who got to the title game and got

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Speaker 1: blown out by Alabama, who got to the final four

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01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:48,640
Speaker 1: of the play well, I mean last year, right got

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01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:50,400
Speaker 1: to the title game. Last year got beat by a

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01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:53,960
Speaker 1: house state. If you're a fan of Purdue, as I

2182
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:57,720
Speaker 1: mentioned from the basketball standpoint, Butler basketball, whatever it might be,

2183
01:59:58,240 --> 02:00:02,760
Speaker 1: I totally understand rivalries. I totally understand hating and finding

2184
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:06,720
Speaker 1: it totally against your nature to root for anybody wearing

2185
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Speaker 1: the uniform or the colors of your rival. I get it.

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02:00:11,400 --> 02:00:14,720
Speaker 1: But sports unifies the masses like no other, and we've

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Speaker 1: seen it in this town. People that have differences in

2188
02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:23,280
Speaker 1: other areas all coming together to jump in Unison when

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Speaker 1: Tyree's Haliburton hits an unbelievable shot. People that have differences

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Speaker 1: otherwise and normally see somebody across the street that they

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02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 1: don't like and they don't like to sign the guy's

2192
02:00:32,120 --> 02:00:34,400
Speaker 1: put in his yard or how lady leaves his Christmas

2193
02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:37,480
Speaker 1: lights up or whatever else. But you're jumping in Unison

2194
02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:41,000
Speaker 1: because you both watch Purdue finally break through and get

2195
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Speaker 1: to the final four. Whatever it might be. This is

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02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:47,000
Speaker 1: the moment once again of camaraderie, which I know is ridiculous,

2197
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Speaker 1: and I know that I'm speaking something that is never

2198
02:00:49,320 --> 02:00:51,839
Speaker 1: going to happen for many people that root for Purdue

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02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:54,480
Speaker 1: or Butler or Notre Dame. But I would say the

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02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:56,240
Speaker 1: same thing if it was one of those teams that

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Speaker 1: had the opportunity here. When you look at the way

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Speaker 1: that Indiana's sports bands, what we've been through in the

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02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:06,360
Speaker 1: last couple of years, that we all should collectively come

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Speaker 1: together and hoo's yours in Unison and en mass collectively

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Speaker 1: as a people from a state that are pretty darn

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Speaker 1: sports proud and deserve their flowers. Rhet Lewis going to

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Speaker 1: join us other side, Is that correct, Eddie? Rhet Lewis

2208
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Speaker 1: joins us Big ten Network, continuing to break down and

2209
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Speaker 1: analyze what Indiana is going to need to do to

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Speaker 1: make all that a reality next. The last time rhet

2211
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:34,880
Speaker 1: Lewis was on, we talked about just the incredulous nature

2212
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:37,280
Speaker 1: for all of us from different angles of absorbing that

2213
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:39,960
Speaker 1: Indiana was at that time two wins away from a

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02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:44,000
Speaker 1: national championship. They now went away, and when you look

2215
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Speaker 1: at the way that they dominated Oregon, you have to

2216
02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:48,960
Speaker 1: feel very good about it. But Miami is no slouch,

2217
02:01:49,120 --> 02:01:51,960
Speaker 1: and don't fool yourself because they lost twice this year,

2218
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:54,960
Speaker 1: especially the way that they're playing now. Rhett joining me

2219
02:01:55,080 --> 02:01:57,240
Speaker 1: back once again on the Java House Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest line. Of course, brhet lewis from you see him

2221
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Speaker 1: Big ten Network on network. Hear him on this radio

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02:02:02,040 --> 02:02:04,920
Speaker 1: station as well, and Rhett, the more that I look

2223
02:02:04,920 --> 02:02:08,480
Speaker 1: at this, I am very confident of Indiana and their preparation.

2224
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:11,720
Speaker 1: You would be a fool to dismiss Kurt Signetti's work

2225
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Speaker 1: in that regard, but Miami's pretty darn stout and that

2226
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:18,920
Speaker 1: defensive front four is very impressive to me. Your overall

2227
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:21,680
Speaker 1: assessment now as you look further into the Canes.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, man, it's what's up, Jacob. Thanks for having me

2229
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:26,600
Speaker 8: back on man. Excited to show with you.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

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Speaker 8: The thing that's different is they're much simpler in their

2233
02:02:33,080 --> 02:02:38,400
Speaker 8: approach and that's because they've got absolute dudes up front, right,

2234
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Speaker 8: especially containing number four is of the utmost, utmost importance. Now,

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Speaker 8: I will say that, you know, Oregon was no slouch either.

2236
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Speaker 8: You know, they had the best defensive tackle in the draft,

2237
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Speaker 8: like the number one d tackle in the draft and

2238
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:55,520
Speaker 8: number fifty two a Marii Washington. But he decided to

2239
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:58,960
Speaker 8: go back to school for another year, which was somewhat

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Speaker 8: inexplicable until you start watching the tape and you see

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Speaker 8: Bray Lynch and Pat Coogan and Drew Evans kind of

2242
02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:05,600
Speaker 8: push him around a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit in this last game in the Beach Bowl.

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Speaker 8: So Indiana's faced high level defensive talent a bunch this

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02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:15,840
Speaker 8: year and this will be you know, the stiffness tests.

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Speaker 8: Yet I believe I think they kind of rush a

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Speaker 8: little bit like Ohio State did. There's not as much

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Speaker 8: movement up front with stunts and twists and that sort

2249
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Speaker 8: of thing. So it's really about, hey, our dudes. They

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Speaker 8: think their dudes are better than your dudes, and you

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Speaker 8: got to prove them otherwise.

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Speaker 1: When you look at Miami and what they did. You know,

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Speaker 1: the game that I keep going back to Rhett is

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, and I know that they got a quick

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Speaker 1: score in that game defensively, but once they got out

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Speaker 1: to that lead against the Buckeyes, they were able to

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Speaker 1: keep Ohio State at bay, not just defensively but also

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Speaker 1: through kind of a ball control offense. Of keeping the

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Speaker 1: ball out of Ohio State's hands is that of concern

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Speaker 1: for Indiana, And by that I mean getting the football

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Speaker 1: back and not allowing my fami to kind of take

2262
02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:03,640
Speaker 1: you out of rhythm and get you off kilter a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, look, the one thing that Indiana has been

2265
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Speaker 8: able to do is stop the run. That is like

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Speaker 8: priority number one for Brian Haynes's defense, and then off

2267
02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:14,280
Speaker 8: that they get after the passer because they put you

2268
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Speaker 8: in at in situations that are not advantageous as an offense.

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Speaker 8: So will obviously be key is finding a way to

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Speaker 8: slow down that run game. And then you know it's like,

2271
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Speaker 8: all right, how do we keep the ball out of

2272
02:04:28,640 --> 02:04:31,280
Speaker 8: Malachi Tony's and not let him just run all over

2273
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:35,120
Speaker 8: the field. So open field tackling and obviously stopping the

2274
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Speaker 8: run are two things that are going to be huge.

2275
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Speaker 8: And he missed some tack Oregan more so than they

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Speaker 8: had in the previous couple of games. So I think

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Speaker 8: that's something to kind of watch in this one. But

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Speaker 8: I think there's ways they do such a great job

2279
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Speaker 8: at finding ways to stop the run and putting guys

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Speaker 8: in position, you know, to make tackles. I mean, you know,

2281
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Speaker 8: Mikyle Kamara might have played his best game of the

2282
02:04:56,600 --> 02:05:00,600
Speaker 8: season against Oregon. I look at the work even Daniel

2283
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:02,600
Speaker 8: and Duqua, right, we talk about him for the two

2284
02:05:02,640 --> 02:05:04,600
Speaker 8: sacks and the strip sack and the punt block, but

2285
02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:07,440
Speaker 8: he had a couple of good run fits that allowed

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Speaker 8: other guys kind of created some havoc, allowed you know,

2287
02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:14,280
Speaker 8: other guys to go in and make stops. So I mean, like, well,

2288
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Speaker 8: that is the strength of Miami. I think it's the

2289
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Speaker 8: strength of Indiana too. And then what the chips swallow

2290
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Speaker 8: the many.

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Speaker 1: When you look at Indiana defensively, and you know, and

2292
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Speaker 1: rehtd if you could kind of elaborate on this for people,

2293
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:29,240
Speaker 1: because even myself, I mean, you know, I realized that

2294
02:05:29,320 --> 02:05:32,040
Speaker 1: not going to be listening is sitting around in a

2295
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Speaker 1: war room. Right, Indiana doesn't go defensively. And you tell

2296
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Speaker 1: me if this is even an inaccurate assessment. Okay, yeah,

2297
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:44,200
Speaker 1: Indiana doesn't line up of saying okay, I'm I've got

2298
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Speaker 1: number ten and wherever he goes, I've got to flank him.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: It almost is more of I have an area of

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Speaker 1: the field that I'm responsible for, and I have a

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Speaker 1: great trust that my teammate, who is responsible for the

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02:05:56,920 --> 02:05:59,360
Speaker 1: area next to him is locking off his as well.

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Speaker 1: And if we both seal off this area, then boom,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to move the football against us. Is that

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Speaker 1: a safe explanation of it? And what is it that

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Speaker 1: Indiana does that makes them so stout in that area

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Speaker 1: of just seemingly always knowing where the ball is going.

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Speaker 8: Well, that's that's the power of the Angelo Ponds because

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Speaker 8: he is your boundary corner. So if you you know,

2311
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:24,640
Speaker 8: you separate the field, if the field you know the

2312
02:06:24,640 --> 02:06:27,160
Speaker 8: ball is on one hash, the Angelo Pons is on

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Speaker 8: the short side right, and then you're able to kind

2314
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:34,080
Speaker 8: of get creative and and and send more defenders into

2315
02:06:34,080 --> 02:06:36,560
Speaker 8: the wide side of the field right, the opposite side

2316
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Speaker 8: from Ponds. And you're able to do that because you

2317
02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:42,040
Speaker 8: feel confident in Pond's ability to handle what's going on

2318
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Speaker 8: on the short side of the field. Then you can

2319
02:06:44,200 --> 02:06:46,520
Speaker 8: sent you got your Maury Sharp, You've got uh, you know,

2320
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Speaker 8: sometimes you'll have you know, Devin Boyk, it'll be over there.

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Speaker 8: You might put a defensive lineman back into the short area.

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Speaker 8: On the wide side of the field, you've got Amari

2323
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Speaker 8: Ferrell over and that's loom more depending on how they've

2324
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Speaker 8: kind of called it and schemed it up.

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Speaker 5: And so.

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Speaker 8: Ponds of the ability to handle what's happening on one side,

2327
02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:08,160
Speaker 8: allows you to focus more attention on the other and

2328
02:07:08,200 --> 02:07:10,640
Speaker 8: to send more more guides to that side of the

2329
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Speaker 8: field to kind of handle it. And that really bothers

2330
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Speaker 8: quarterbacks because they have to hang on to the football

2331
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:19,360
Speaker 8: for a little bit longer than they'd like to to

2332
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:21,520
Speaker 8: wait for guys to get open, to see if they're

2333
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Speaker 8: even going to get open at all. Then they're either

2334
02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:25,640
Speaker 8: scrambling or they getting sacked and pressure and thrown it away.

2335
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Speaker 8: So really like the winch Pin is the Angelo Ponds.

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Speaker 1: Truly, when you look at Indiana offensively, rtt Lewis is

2337
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Speaker 1: our guest Java house Peel and poor guest line Fernanda Mendoza.

2338
02:07:35,480 --> 02:07:40,040
Speaker 1: Obviously it goes without saying. I mean his his ball

2339
02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:44,560
Speaker 1: placement is incredible. He puts the football oftentimes where only

2340
02:07:44,600 --> 02:07:47,240
Speaker 1: the receiver can get it. But Rhett, how much of

2341
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:52,800
Speaker 1: that is facilitated by Charlie Becker, Elijah Surrett and Omar

2342
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:56,440
Speaker 1: Cooper Junior. Notably those three, those three guys never single

2343
02:07:56,600 --> 02:07:59,360
Speaker 1: dropping a pass. I mean, how hard for a guy

2344
02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:02,240
Speaker 1: that has only been here for a year, How hard

2345
02:08:02,440 --> 02:08:05,240
Speaker 1: is it to develop that sort of a chemistry and timing.

2346
02:08:07,040 --> 02:08:10,879
Speaker 8: Look, it's it's it's time on task. And as with anything,

2347
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:13,280
Speaker 8: you know, I fear not the man who has ten

2348
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:15,560
Speaker 8: thousand kicks, but the man who's practiced one kick ten

2349
02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:20,920
Speaker 8: thousand times. And they they have repped this stuff over

2350
02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:23,040
Speaker 8: and over and over and over again, with Fernando going

2351
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:25,240
Speaker 8: back to the moment he signed, and I think you

2352
02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:27,640
Speaker 8: can see that chemistry on the back shoulders with sarat

2353
02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:30,440
Speaker 8: on the deep balls with Becker on some of the

2354
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:34,360
Speaker 8: anticipatory throws we've seen with oil Mark Cooper, especially on

2355
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:36,600
Speaker 8: that out, that kind of two man combo he ran

2356
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:39,200
Speaker 8: in the out route for the first offensive touchdown for Indiana.

2357
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:41,560
Speaker 8: Like that ball was out of Fernando's hands before Omar

2358
02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:43,440
Speaker 8: even made the move to the outside.

2359
02:08:43,720 --> 02:08:44,280
Speaker 1: He knew.

2360
02:08:44,640 --> 02:08:46,600
Speaker 8: You know, there's a trust that's built there. It's not

2361
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:48,560
Speaker 8: just like, Okay, I understand where you're going to be,

2362
02:08:48,560 --> 02:08:51,200
Speaker 8: but I trust where you're going to be. And they've

2363
02:08:51,240 --> 02:08:54,440
Speaker 8: proven that and Fernando's got his trust and confidence in

2364
02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 8: these dudes is absolutely sky high right now. It's it's

2365
02:08:57,680 --> 02:09:02,320
Speaker 8: really incredible to watch, you know. Know, on that touchdown

2366
02:09:02,360 --> 02:09:04,360
Speaker 8: to Becker, the long one, he's lined up against the

2367
02:09:04,360 --> 02:09:06,880
Speaker 8: best corner on the field there in Brandon Finnie, and

2368
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:09,560
Speaker 8: he wins with his release. And once he wins with

2369
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:12,840
Speaker 8: his release, Fernando's like, oh boom, we got this and

2370
02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:14,840
Speaker 8: the ball's out and it's over the top and Becker

2371
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:17,240
Speaker 8: goes up and makes a great catch. So there's a

2372
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:18,120
Speaker 8: lot that goes into it.

2373
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:19,040
Speaker 1: You have to have some pretty good.

2374
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:21,280
Speaker 8: Protection too, and I thought Indiana did a terrific job

2375
02:09:21,320 --> 02:09:23,680
Speaker 8: protecting Fernando on the whole and then when they when

2376
02:09:23,720 --> 02:09:27,280
Speaker 8: protection broke down, he made those big scrambles right, scramble

2377
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:30,920
Speaker 8: for twenty and find a way to get crucial first

2378
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:32,560
Speaker 8: bounds in those types of situations.

2379
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:37,080
Speaker 1: Also, the strength of Indiana that will be the hardest

2380
02:09:37,200 --> 02:09:39,240
Speaker 1: for Miami to offset would be.

2381
02:09:39,200 --> 02:09:43,120
Speaker 2: What say that one more time.

2382
02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:46,040
Speaker 1: The strength of Indiana that Miami will have the biggest

2383
02:09:46,120 --> 02:09:47,640
Speaker 1: challenge trying to offset would be what.

2384
02:09:48,280 --> 02:09:51,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it is the receivers, because you're talking

2385
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:53,840
Speaker 8: about a group that is four deep. Now, I mean EJ.

2386
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:57,840
Speaker 8: Williams's route, his double move in stick and shake on

2387
02:09:57,880 --> 02:10:01,440
Speaker 8: that last touchdown that Fernando through, I mean I think

2388
02:10:01,480 --> 02:10:03,720
Speaker 8: it was forty two. Maybe I lost track of just

2389
02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:07,520
Speaker 8: how many touchdowns it was at that point, But they don't.

2390
02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:09,880
Speaker 8: I don't, especially because one of their top corners is

2391
02:10:09,880 --> 02:10:12,640
Speaker 8: out for the first half of the targeting. So I

2392
02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:16,280
Speaker 8: wouldn't be shocked if Indiana really tries them through the air,

2393
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:19,360
Speaker 8: especially in the first half, knowing they're down a corner. Uh,

2394
02:10:19,560 --> 02:10:22,640
Speaker 8: and they got to deal with four like really talented

2395
02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:25,760
Speaker 8: athletic receivers who go up and get the ball, you know,

2396
02:10:25,800 --> 02:10:29,720
Speaker 8: in any situation. So That's that's something that I think

2397
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:31,560
Speaker 8: at least, you know, particularly in the first half, that

2398
02:10:31,560 --> 02:10:33,840
Speaker 8: they'll have a little bit of difficulty dealing with Okay.

2399
02:10:33,880 --> 02:10:37,839
Speaker 1: The vulnerability area for Indiana that Miami will try to exploit.

2400
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:41,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, look, I think I think you look

2401
02:10:41,320 --> 02:10:44,240
Speaker 8: at the right offensive line. They've had some trouble there,

2402
02:10:44,720 --> 02:10:47,080
Speaker 8: but I thought Khalil Benson at right tackle played one

2403
02:10:47,120 --> 02:10:49,880
Speaker 8: of his best games this this past week against Oregon.

2404
02:10:50,680 --> 02:10:53,520
Speaker 8: But pass pro you know, they're trying to collapse the

2405
02:10:53,560 --> 02:10:57,360
Speaker 8: pocket and make Fernando uncomfortable. I think on the left

2406
02:10:57,400 --> 02:10:59,600
Speaker 8: side with Carter Smith feel really good about that Pat

2407
02:10:59,640 --> 02:11:01,520
Speaker 8: Coogan and Drew Evans that they've done a really nice

2408
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:04,080
Speaker 8: job if the right side holds up, because it broke

2409
02:11:04,120 --> 02:11:06,080
Speaker 8: down a little bit against Ohio State in that Big

2410
02:11:06,120 --> 02:11:08,120
Speaker 8: Ten Championship game and they had to move some guys

2411
02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:11,280
Speaker 8: around in there. But I think that's that's something that

2412
02:11:11,320 --> 02:11:12,960
Speaker 8: I would I would kind of be watching.

2413
02:11:12,680 --> 02:11:17,080
Speaker 1: For Okay quickly. Then other way, Miami's strength that Indiana

2414
02:11:17,120 --> 02:11:19,680
Speaker 1: could have concern about or will try to offset would

2415
02:11:19,680 --> 02:11:19,840
Speaker 1: be what.

2416
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:24,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's open field tackling, it's getting getting

2417
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:28,160
Speaker 8: the ball, you know, to the athletes in space where

2418
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:30,560
Speaker 8: they can utilize some of that elite talent that we

2419
02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:33,800
Speaker 8: talk about with Miami's team, and obviously Tony's the you know,

2420
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:37,080
Speaker 8: the big one there. Man, he is electric, right, and

2421
02:11:37,160 --> 02:11:39,120
Speaker 8: they get blockers out in front of him, allow him

2422
02:11:39,120 --> 02:11:40,960
Speaker 8: to kind of work behind some of those guys and

2423
02:11:41,000 --> 02:11:45,320
Speaker 8: find scenes that's you know, Elijah Hardy and Isaiah Jones

2424
02:11:45,400 --> 02:11:48,200
Speaker 8: and Amari Ferrell and Lou Moore. They got to have

2425
02:11:48,240 --> 02:11:50,280
Speaker 8: one of their best tackling games, you know, in the

2426
02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:52,440
Speaker 8: middle of that you know, kind of you know, from

2427
02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:54,960
Speaker 8: let's say the numbers to the numbers where where Tony

2428
02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:58,040
Speaker 8: can cut back and uh and go for you know,

2429
02:11:58,120 --> 02:12:00,000
Speaker 8: explosive plays. They got to have one of their best

2430
02:12:00,160 --> 02:12:03,120
Speaker 8: games in that department. So I think open field tackling

2431
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:06,680
Speaker 8: is certainly one of them. And then look, you've got

2432
02:12:06,720 --> 02:12:08,440
Speaker 8: to be able to if you're able to shut down,

2433
02:12:08,720 --> 02:12:11,720
Speaker 8: not shut down, but limit the run game, you're going

2434
02:12:11,800 --> 02:12:14,960
Speaker 8: to force Carson Beck into some mistakes. And so now

2435
02:12:15,040 --> 02:12:17,880
Speaker 8: if Miami is ripping off four or five six yard

2436
02:12:17,960 --> 02:12:21,600
Speaker 8: runs at a pop, they can protect Carson Beck. And

2437
02:12:21,680 --> 02:12:23,960
Speaker 8: he's been playing pretty well in this college football playoff,

2438
02:12:24,160 --> 02:12:27,320
Speaker 8: so U and look, I think Tony and what I

2439
02:12:27,400 --> 02:12:29,320
Speaker 8: was when I started off this answer talking about is

2440
02:12:29,360 --> 02:12:30,880
Speaker 8: kind of part of that too, because they can mimic

2441
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,920
Speaker 8: the run game there, you know, with what they do with.

2442
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:34,879
Speaker 5: Some of those quick throws.

2443
02:12:34,920 --> 02:12:37,720
Speaker 8: So the ability to tackle and keep them off schedule

2444
02:12:37,840 --> 02:12:40,440
Speaker 8: will force some of the turnovers and things that we've

2445
02:12:40,440 --> 02:12:42,240
Speaker 8: seen Carson Beck do and some of the losses that

2446
02:12:42,280 --> 02:12:43,240
Speaker 8: Miami has had there.

2447
02:12:43,080 --> 02:12:45,720
Speaker 1: Which I think probably right answers the final question, which

2448
02:12:45,720 --> 02:12:48,960
Speaker 1: is the vulnerability for Miami has been ball security, has

2449
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:51,720
Speaker 1: it not? And just making sure that you because Indiana

2450
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:53,560
Speaker 1: is not going to typically Indiana is not going to

2451
02:12:53,600 --> 02:12:56,000
Speaker 1: make mistakes and so you cannot afford to make one

2452
02:12:56,040 --> 02:13:00,120
Speaker 1: against Indiana. That to me would be the area that

2453
02:13:00,200 --> 02:13:03,080
Speaker 1: Indiana tries to exploit that is vulnerable from Miami. You

2454
02:13:03,120 --> 02:13:05,640
Speaker 1: agree with that, I do agree.

2455
02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:09,880
Speaker 8: I do agree with that. You know this, I think

2456
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:11,880
Speaker 8: there's there's a lot of different ways that this game

2457
02:13:11,880 --> 02:13:15,560
Speaker 8: can go, though, Jake, I I really do. And you know,

2458
02:13:15,640 --> 02:13:19,080
Speaker 8: they're gonna they're gonna explore all avenues. They're gonna try

2459
02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:21,240
Speaker 8: to figure this thing out in a lot of different ways.

2460
02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:24,160
Speaker 8: And the one thing that I've been kind of excited

2461
02:13:24,160 --> 02:13:26,760
Speaker 8: about is that I use found some wrinkles here and

2462
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:28,720
Speaker 8: there in each of the last three games, right, the

2463
02:13:28,720 --> 02:13:31,280
Speaker 8: biggest games of the season, and they put stuff out

2464
02:13:31,280 --> 02:13:33,880
Speaker 8: there that we haven't necessarily seen all year, and I

2465
02:13:33,880 --> 02:13:35,960
Speaker 8: would imagine a little bit of that. I think we

2466
02:13:36,040 --> 02:13:38,600
Speaker 8: might see a little bit more Dangelo ponds on all offense,

2467
02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:41,560
Speaker 8: because that that was really you know, I mean that

2468
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:43,360
Speaker 8: was that was not just a gadget play like that

2469
02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:47,320
Speaker 8: was a really well done play uh out there, uh

2470
02:13:47,560 --> 02:13:49,560
Speaker 8: down in the red zone, you know where he was

2471
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:52,280
Speaker 8: able to come up with the uh with that, with

2472
02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:56,919
Speaker 8: that conversion. So I'm just I'm The coaching chess match.

2473
02:13:56,760 --> 02:13:57,400
Speaker 2: Is pretty cool here.

2474
02:13:57,440 --> 02:14:02,040
Speaker 8: The connections are obviously obvious with with Corey having coached

2475
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:07,360
Speaker 8: for Kurt Signetti Deep It's coordinator from Miami. Now, there's

2476
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:09,680
Speaker 8: a lot that you want with this one, for sure, Ratt.

2477
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:11,600
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time is always going to be a

2478
02:14:11,600 --> 02:14:13,800
Speaker 1: ton of fun, a lot of things to break down,

2479
02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:16,840
Speaker 1: and perhaps we'll be talking to you afterwards celebrating an

2480
02:14:16,840 --> 02:14:20,240
Speaker 1: Indiana championship, but we shall see. Right, let's do it, thanks, brother,

2481
02:14:20,520 --> 02:14:22,960
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Red Lewis joining us on the Java House.

2482
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:25,040
Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line we come back there is

2483
02:14:25,160 --> 02:14:28,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of breaking news. I've always talked about

2484
02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:32,840
Speaker 1: how Indiana kind of breaks the will of teams. Did

2485
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:39,360
Speaker 1: they change the mind of one player? We'll explain next. Man.

2486
02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:45,040
Speaker 1: I love this. Got a text here from an entire

2487
02:14:45,200 --> 02:14:50,560
Speaker 1: family from the Pacer run wearing why not Indiana T shirts?

2488
02:14:51,080 --> 02:14:55,560
Speaker 1: Love it? Eddie, do you have the breaking news sounder?

2489
02:15:01,560 --> 02:15:03,320
Speaker 1: I will let you break the news that you just

2490
02:15:03,400 --> 02:15:05,560
Speaker 1: inform me of when it comes to college football.

2491
02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:09,240
Speaker 2: During your conversation with Rhett Lewis, Dante Moore was holding

2492
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:13,200
Speaker 2: a press conference in which he announced that he will

2493
02:15:13,240 --> 02:15:18,240
Speaker 2: be going back to Oregon. He will not be entering

2494
02:15:18,280 --> 02:15:23,800
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six NFL Draft Jake, which assuredly means

2495
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:28,880
Speaker 2: that Indiana's quarterback, assuming Fernando Mendoza decides to forego his

2496
02:15:28,920 --> 02:15:31,680
Speaker 2: final year of college eligibility, will be the number one

2497
02:15:31,720 --> 02:15:32,680
Speaker 2: overall pick.

2498
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:39,800
Speaker 1: The What this says, I know it's easy to say, well,

2499
02:15:39,840 --> 02:15:44,120
Speaker 1: Indiana put such a sour taste in his mouth that

2500
02:15:44,240 --> 02:15:45,720
Speaker 1: you know he doesn't want that to be his last

2501
02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:49,880
Speaker 1: experience in Couge. What it means is this, and I

2502
02:15:49,960 --> 02:15:54,560
Speaker 1: have no idea what the circumstance is with Dante Moore,

2503
02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:59,920
Speaker 1: with nil money. But we are now entering into or

2504
02:16:00,160 --> 02:16:04,600
Speaker 1: are officially in the era where a player can make

2505
02:16:04,720 --> 02:16:08,879
Speaker 1: more by going back the kid at old Miss Trinidad Chambliss.

2506
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a reason he is, you know, willing

2507
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:13,000
Speaker 1: to go to the Supreme Court to try to get

2508
02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:16,160
Speaker 1: eligibility back for another year because he probably has the

2509
02:16:16,200 --> 02:16:18,840
Speaker 1: opportunity to make three or four million dollars. And in

2510
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:22,480
Speaker 1: this case, I would bet that Dante More probably when

2511
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:25,160
Speaker 1: you factor in you know, the Nike money, whatever it

2512
02:16:25,240 --> 02:16:29,440
Speaker 1: might be, is probably going to get I mean, I

2513
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:32,320
Speaker 1: would assume four Menoza got what three and a half

2514
02:16:32,320 --> 02:16:34,879
Speaker 1: from indi Enda this year, so you can imagine what

2515
02:16:35,080 --> 02:16:38,440
Speaker 1: Dante Moore would get from Oregon, and it's probably more

2516
02:16:38,480 --> 02:16:42,119
Speaker 1: than the rookie scale for your rookie year in the NFL.

2517
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:44,720
Speaker 2: So I mean, I also wonder what this means for

2518
02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:47,320
Speaker 2: Dylan Rayo, Like, is he just announced yesterday he was

2519
02:16:47,360 --> 02:16:50,960
Speaker 2: going to Oregon after entering the transfer portal sole, Like,

2520
02:16:51,040 --> 02:16:53,160
Speaker 2: does he sit out a year now and just sit

2521
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:55,200
Speaker 2: behind Dontymore. I think this is the right decision for

2522
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:57,800
Speaker 2: Dante morring g I would agree with that. I mean,

2523
02:16:57,840 --> 02:17:00,800
Speaker 2: he's only had eighteen starts in college and just some

2524
02:17:00,920 --> 02:17:04,520
Speaker 2: of the recent quarterbacks that have gone into the NFL

2525
02:17:04,640 --> 02:17:08,120
Speaker 2: with fewer than twenty starts, You're not gonna find a

2526
02:17:08,120 --> 02:17:11,600
Speaker 2: lot of success stories. It's in Anthony Richardson, Trey Lance,

2527
02:17:11,720 --> 02:17:16,440
Speaker 2: mac Jones, Kyler Murray, Dwayne Haskins, Mitch Trubisky, Ryan Tannahill,

2528
02:17:16,959 --> 02:17:19,480
Speaker 2: and Cam Newton, like out of that grouping, Cam Newton,

2529
02:17:19,520 --> 02:17:21,480
Speaker 2: by far right had the best career.

2530
02:17:21,240 --> 02:17:23,440
Speaker 1: And I thought some of the mistakes that in the

2531
02:17:23,440 --> 02:17:25,720
Speaker 1: turnovers that took place were not on him, to be

2532
02:17:25,720 --> 02:17:27,600
Speaker 1: honest with you, I mean, I just think the timing

2533
02:17:27,680 --> 02:17:30,120
Speaker 1: having a freshman back in the backfield, you know, a

2534
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:33,879
Speaker 1: couple of the mistime on hand, just timing aspects in general.

2535
02:17:34,480 --> 02:17:37,000
Speaker 1: But Dante Moore back at Oregon for next year. Jamb

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Speaker 1: You got loaded one lined up today? R I loaded one?

2541
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Speaker 1: Who's on the show? Do you know more than I do?

2542
02:17:55,360 --> 02:17:55,480
Speaker 2: Oh?

2543
02:17:55,520 --> 02:17:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Billy Corbyn. Billy Corbyn, the.

2544
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Speaker 9: Director is on today. That's good from South Florida to

2545
02:17:59,560 --> 02:18:01,080
Speaker 9: babyl Off, former Hoosier.

2546
02:18:01,240 --> 02:18:02,320
Speaker 1: What about in Dallas now?

2547
02:18:02,440 --> 02:18:02,560
Speaker 3: Right?

2548
02:18:02,600 --> 02:18:05,200
Speaker 9: And he does he still do the Dallas Cowboys radio

2549
02:18:05,320 --> 02:18:05,920
Speaker 9: network stuff.

2550
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:08,879
Speaker 1: Think he might have just retired. I thought so.

2551
02:18:08,959 --> 02:18:13,119
Speaker 9: Thought he's on today and uh ada Wally Gulie back

2552
02:18:13,240 --> 02:18:13,840
Speaker 9: on today.

2553
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Speaker 1: The receipts the best Don Fisher ever? Right, Oh, I

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Speaker 1: want to look from Atta Wailey and Gulia. It's the

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Speaker 1: perfect Don Fisher name it is. Yeah, So school me

2556
02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:26,440
Speaker 1: again on the receipts that I heard you mention this

2557
02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:28,520
Speaker 1: on the radio, that Addawally and Goolie is bringing.

2558
02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:33,039
Speaker 9: Apparently over his NFL career he was always made fun of.

2559
02:18:33,160 --> 02:18:35,080
Speaker 9: He was a bit of a laughing stock at times

2560
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:38,600
Speaker 9: in the locker room with other players because they went

2561
02:18:38,640 --> 02:18:41,360
Speaker 9: to a college program that wasn't the most losingness in

2562
02:18:41,480 --> 02:18:45,560
Speaker 9: college football history. And evidently he has kept receipts on

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02:18:45,600 --> 02:18:47,879
Speaker 9: all those names. And he told us last week that

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02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:50,720
Speaker 9: if Value advanced to the National Championship game, he would

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02:18:50,920 --> 02:18:54,039
Speaker 9: name names. Okay, And That's what I'm all about right here,

2566
02:18:54,200 --> 02:18:56,480
Speaker 9: his name and names. Hey, by the way, too, you

2567
02:18:56,520 --> 02:19:01,640
Speaker 9: mentioned AU basketball. Are there similarities between how we started

2568
02:19:01,680 --> 02:19:04,600
Speaker 9: watching IU basketball this season with the way that they

2569
02:19:04,600 --> 02:19:07,360
Speaker 9: blew the doors off of Marquette to the way that

2570
02:19:07,560 --> 02:19:10,720
Speaker 9: the season started for the Colts, we saw something correct

2571
02:19:10,720 --> 02:19:15,240
Speaker 9: that maybe truly through Gold. Yeah, because I you last

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02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:19,119
Speaker 9: night look like they're not even close to being tournament worthy.

2573
02:19:19,440 --> 02:19:20,280
Speaker 2: Or anything like that.

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02:19:20,520 --> 02:19:24,480
Speaker 9: I mean, they may be for twenty minutes of times.

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02:19:23,600 --> 02:19:26,120
Speaker 1: Win right now is Kansas State, which is probably not

2576
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:29,520
Speaker 1: a tournament team, right and last night you hang in

2577
02:19:29,600 --> 02:19:30,280
Speaker 1: until you can't.

2578
02:19:30,320 --> 02:19:33,720
Speaker 9: And men, when the floor caves in on that team,

2579
02:19:33,879 --> 02:19:35,680
Speaker 9: it caves in in a big way quick.

2580
02:19:35,680 --> 02:19:38,440
Speaker 1: If shots aren't dropping for them, that's the problem, right

2581
02:19:38,520 --> 02:19:40,720
Speaker 1: And Tucker to Breeze, you know Eddy mentioned, I mean

2582
02:19:40,720 --> 02:19:43,320
Speaker 1: he's when he dips down, then you're really in trouble.

2583
02:19:43,360 --> 02:19:45,240
Speaker 1: I do like Wilkerson because he can get his own shot,

2584
02:19:45,480 --> 02:19:48,280
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, if their shots aren't falling there

2585
02:19:48,280 --> 02:19:50,160
Speaker 1: in the world, the Breeze has broke as a joke

2586
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:52,600
Speaker 1: in the last how many games now, for the last

2587
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:56,040
Speaker 1: six I think he has not look good, not shotted well,

2588
02:19:56,320 --> 02:19:59,480
Speaker 1: and he can't go out anybody. So if he doesn't

2589
02:19:59,480 --> 02:20:02,200
Speaker 1: shoot it well, it's really tough to be out there

2590
02:20:02,240 --> 02:20:04,440
Speaker 1: because he can't guard you. By the way, I took

2591
02:20:04,480 --> 02:20:08,040
Speaker 1: a picture of you taking a picture you're really I

2592
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:09,840
Speaker 1: don't know who it is as of Yeah, but they

2593
02:20:09,879 --> 02:20:10,400
Speaker 1: did it again.

2594
02:20:10,879 --> 02:20:13,119
Speaker 9: If it's somebody that signs my checks, I'm probably gonna

2595
02:20:13,160 --> 02:20:14,400
Speaker 9: call off the dogs on this one.

2596
02:20:14,440 --> 02:20:16,200
Speaker 1: But if it's not, I.

2597
02:20:16,120 --> 02:20:17,640
Speaker 9: Thought I was going to I was gonna park a

2598
02:20:17,680 --> 02:20:19,199
Speaker 9: promotional vehicle right on top.

2599
02:20:19,080 --> 02:20:21,400
Speaker 1: Of the driver's side door. Okay, so what we're talking about.

2600
02:20:21,440 --> 02:20:23,520
Speaker 1: There's somebody that we have a very tight parking spot,

2601
02:20:23,560 --> 02:20:26,720
Speaker 1: and there's somebody who backs their car in now, straddling

2602
02:20:26,879 --> 02:20:30,680
Speaker 1: over taking two spots right, and I tried to line

2603
02:20:30,680 --> 02:20:34,680
Speaker 1: my car up alongside it in the small space that

2604
02:20:34,760 --> 02:20:36,600
Speaker 1: was available so the person couldn't get in their car,

2605
02:20:36,600 --> 02:20:38,320
Speaker 1: but I couldn't. Yeah, I've got a picture if you

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02:20:38,879 --> 02:20:41,000
Speaker 1: ye hey by the way too.

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Speaker 9: I know Todd Myer didn't want me to do this,

2608
02:20:42,760 --> 02:20:46,640
Speaker 9: but Matt Hibblin said I could, so ten to seventy am.

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02:20:46,760 --> 02:20:49,640
Speaker 9: We're utilizing that signal right now, and I was curious

2610
02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:51,640
Speaker 9: on my way in I could get it. I got

2611
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:55,760
Speaker 9: you lot and clear from Bargersville. Really, I'm curious if

2612
02:20:55,840 --> 02:20:59,960
Speaker 9: you're out how far out of Indianapolis where we are

2613
02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:03,880
Speaker 9: right now? Can you get us on ten seventy am.

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Speaker 1: I was up on the far north side yesterday and

2615
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:08,039
Speaker 1: tried it when you were on and didn't and didn't

2616
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:09,840
Speaker 1: get it. It's like two fifty, I think in on.

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Speaker 9: So it may maybe and maybe it's better south than

2618
02:21:13,240 --> 02:21:18,040
Speaker 9: it is north. But was it dark because if it's five,

2619
02:21:18,280 --> 02:21:22,680
Speaker 9: if it's night pattern time, then it decreases rapidly, right

2620
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:24,600
Speaker 9: as we used to know right there. But I would

2621
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:26,400
Speaker 9: just love because I remember back in the day when

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02:21:26,440 --> 02:21:28,800
Speaker 9: the MS folks told us just how useless it was,

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02:21:28,959 --> 02:21:30,840
Speaker 9: and yeah, we.

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Speaker 1: Know what there are words about right there. Great J

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02:21:34,360 --> 02:21:36,600
Speaker 1: and V continues to fight the ten seventy five you

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02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:40,040
Speaker 1: know so. But but I know what's funny though, how

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Speaker 1: many people though, job, when we're out and about say

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Speaker 1: to you like, oh yeah from ten seventy to fan.

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Speaker 9: Well yeah, well, and it's because of the history. I mean,

2630
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Speaker 9: it is all about history. It's not like seven hundred

2631
02:21:50,120 --> 02:21:52,560
Speaker 9: WLW said, oh we know we can't do this anymore,

2632
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:54,800
Speaker 9: so let's just go ahead and drop our our long

2633
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:55,520
Speaker 9: storied history.

2634
02:21:55,720 --> 02:21:57,680
Speaker 1: So it was just it was silly to do then,

2635
02:21:58,040 --> 02:22:00,360
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's silly not to umbre now,

2636
02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:03,280
Speaker 1: all right, John is up next and we will be

2637
02:22:03,320 --> 02:22:05,360
Speaker 1: back with you. Clinton portis you said tomorrow, Eddie? Is

2638
02:22:05,400 --> 02:22:09,039
Speaker 1: that right? Taylor Tannebaum? I believe as well, and we

2639
02:22:09,080 --> 02:22:12,840
Speaker 1: will continue talking about Indiana and Miamichael Jackson. So, Recap

2640
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Speaker 1: is it going to do p YT? Are they going

2641
02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:17,360
Speaker 1: to do p YT in that little musical tonight? I hope?

2642
02:22:17,360 --> 02:22:23,039
Speaker 9: So there are some awkward Michael Jackson songs? Yeah, what's

2643
02:22:23,080 --> 02:22:26,040
Speaker 9: more awkward? Keep it in the closet or PYT?

2644
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:30,080
Speaker 1: I'd be there listen. Or the fact that sweet Caroline

2645
02:22:30,080 --> 02:22:32,160
Speaker 1: Neil Divan wrote it about Caroline Kennedy and she was

2646
02:22:32,200 --> 02:22:34,520
Speaker 1: like eleven at the time. It's like, whoa wait a minute,

2647
02:22:34,520 --> 02:22:38,360
Speaker 1: what gives into the night stuff?

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02:22:38,440 --> 02:22:38,879
Speaker 2: Right there?

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02:22:38,920 --> 02:22:41,959
Speaker 1: Well, Recap Pacers Raptors tomorrow as well. I thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening to Quarrying Company.