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Speaker 1: thank you, mister Attorney General Todd Rakeeda and Indiana Attorney

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Speaker 1: General Todd Rakeeda filed a brief yesterday defending the convictions

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Speaker 1: of the Delphi killer Richard Allen. In November twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: if you remember, Richard Allen was convicted of killing Abby

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Speaker 1: office filed contends that Richard Allen's confessions, and there were

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Speaker 1: multiple confessions if you remember, were voluntary and not coerced.

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Speaker 1: State attorneys also argued that Allen's statements to police were

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Speaker 1: enough to justify a search of his home. Now, in

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Speaker 1: regards to the Odinism theory, which is this cult like

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Speaker 1: allowed to the state suggested that any claims about Odinists

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Speaker 1: making these killings were a sideshow. What do we think

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Speaker 1: of this? Initially?

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Speaker 2: My thoughts A right, It's pretty sad that we're still

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Speaker 2: It is also like I honestly hope we got the

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Speaker 2: kind of a problem for me.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of transparency in that trial, and

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Speaker 1: that bothered me. Now, I will say this, the folks

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Speaker 1: who historically loved cameras, was pro cameras, Judge fran Gol

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Speaker 1: But for the biggest trial maybe ever in the state

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Speaker 1: report back to all of us, and when you do that,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can get a feel of exactly

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Speaker 2: And also one thing to keep in mind is so

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Speaker 2: the end of the year. But I remember Corey coming

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Speaker 2: in and being like, this just doesn't feel right and

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Speaker 1: And look, if the state says, hey, this was the guy,

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Speaker 1: saying is, if the state says this is the guy,

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Speaker 1: they were trying their damnedest to get a couple of

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Speaker 1: what would be the harm of allowing them to present

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Speaker 2: Theory, bring in every theory you have. We're going to

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Speaker 1: So that was yesterday and the Attorney General's office stating

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Speaker 1: Richard Allen, who is not in the state of Indiana anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a mystery where Richard Allen

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Speaker 1: and since then there's chatter that he's been sent to

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Speaker 1: this point, and nobody's returning any messages. I think they're

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Speaker 2: Sure, but also, like you said, you know, they want

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Speaker 2: There's the jail justice. And if there's a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: So one of the big things in jail is when

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Speaker 1: Jerry Lopez filling in for Big Nudge. Walk me through

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Speaker 1: what Virginia is doing here. Jerry, you sent me this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a case of Virginia. The state

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Speaker 2: We want to educate them, we want to be them

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Speaker 1: So it's not like some sort of special program where

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Speaker 2: That's not what this is. No, this is I don't

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Speaker 2: have a high school diploma suite. We'll put you in

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Speaker 1: So you could have your fourteen, fifteen year old daughter

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Speaker 2: And he's a grown man. There's a distinct difference between

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Speaker 1: Right right now. In Virginia, if you remember, there was

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Speaker 4: It's terrifying as a parent, because when I send my

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Speaker 3: This is a public safety issue.

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Speaker 4: This is a problem for every single parent in the school.

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Speaker 4: every single parents' daughters are at risk because of this policy.

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Speaker 1: So, Jerry, I am a boy dad. I've got two boys.

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Speaker 2: Next on Fox fifty nine, WABC co host arrested for

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Speaker 1: Like it's going to be it would be a problem.

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Speaker 2: Also, Like, first of all, if I have daughters, this

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Speaker 2: your immigration stat it doesn't matter. But this is that's

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Speaker 2: a grown man nineteen. You were grown if you were

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Speaker 2: in high school eighteen, I can't imagine another year.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'm not saying you can't go back to

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Speaker 2: Year old so old to be in high school.

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Speaker 1: Hammer I'm saying as like a special group though, go

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Speaker 1: It's got to be people your own age or legal

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Speaker 2: This dude was old enough to go grab beers before

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Speaker 1: Right, twenty two. And again I'm not picking on anybody

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Speaker 1: It's inappropriate. Like it's what the FCC says about indecency.

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Speaker 2: We as a society understand that based on the ages,

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Speaker 2: me this twenty two year old grown man. I had

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Speaker 1: One more legal stuff note here, and I love this.

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Speaker 1: This woman from Detroit, she had a virtual court appearance.

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Speaker 1: Now she was told you are not allowed to drive.

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Speaker 1: Your driving privileges have been revoked. So when she appears

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Speaker 1: virtually to the judge, guess what she was doing, Jerry,

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Speaker 3: You cannot be driving, ma'am. What are you doing on?

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm a passenger in a car. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: I have an emergency.

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Speaker 4: I'm going out of for a family member, but I

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Speaker 3: Hang on one second, I'm sorry I didn't know that

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Speaker 1: But you yes, you're dead?

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Speaker 3: Am I crazy? Or does it not look like you're

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Speaker 3: I didn't know. Yeah, the seat belts coming after the

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Speaker 3: of the driver's side. You know you're lying to me right? No,

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Speaker 3: I'm not, sir. Let me see the driver. Let me

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Speaker 3: see the driver. I have to ask their permission. Now, Well,

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Speaker 3: you're not in the drive. You weren't in the driver's side.

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Speaker 3: Do you think I'm that stupid? I'm going to go

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Speaker 3: ahead an enterror default judgment.

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Speaker 1: So it's this woman doing a video on her phone

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Speaker 1: you can't fix stupid, no, but you can take away

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Speaker 1: their driving privileges and you can throw the book at them.

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Speaker 1: And I think this judge was getting ticked off.

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Speaker 2: Like there's some people that just aren't helpable and if

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Speaker 2: you think that you were going to give away with that,

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Speaker 2: like yeah, you need to go to night school.

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