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Speaker 1: I'm doing great?

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Speaker 2: Jake? How you doing today? You know what?

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Speaker 1: For some odd reasons since you asked, Nick, I uh,

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Speaker 3: Okay, not at all, Jake, I get to I know

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Speaker 1: And you heard what I just mentioned. You know, Butler

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Speaker 3: I think probably it's a little bit of both, Jake.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. CJ.

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Speaker 3: Gunn has been really good. I mean, he came out

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Speaker 3: And Chris Holtman has got that thing rolling right now,

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Speaker 1: I really do think audibly sexy has a good ring

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Speaker 3: I mean, now, that's a good band name, Jake, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it could be a good band name right there, right

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Speaker 3: What if?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so if we're in the band, let's say the

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Speaker 2: Who are you?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Man, that's a great quest. I mean, I guess

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Speaker 3: I'll nominate myself for lead singer if somebody's got to

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Speaker 3: do it, Jake, I can do that, and maybe I

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Eddie, what would you be? I know exactly

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure what I would be. But I know

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Speaker 5: for sure that our promoter is definitely Nick Gardner's partner,

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair, get marked to promote us, right, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: you're the drummer, right, Okay?

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Speaker 2: Sounds good guy that, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like people think that, like they take it for granted.

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Speaker 1: They think anybody can do it, and they're like, you

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Speaker 1: the last now, Nick, Eddie, You guys know the last

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Speaker 1: let's start doing some of my music. Once that happens,

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say you're the drummer.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if that's the compliment, but I'll take

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Speaker 2: I'll be Gene Simmons because I'll just stand here.

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Speaker 1: We'll let Nick go ahead, and even though Gene Simmons

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna sit down here and lick my.

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Speaker 1: Eyebrows right and you know, see where things fall, and

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Speaker 1: just be audibly sexy.

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Speaker 2: Just be audibly sexy.

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Speaker 1: That's right, all right, Nick, appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 2: Likewise, pleasure is all mine.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on, Jake.

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Speaker 2: Nick Gardner from Butler Basketball.

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Speaker 1: Studio Lighting, Speaking of that, I see this guy in

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Speaker 6: My friend. Hey, white Death twenty twenty six coming at

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Speaker 1: Okay, there we go. That's what I'm calling White Death

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Speaker 6: All right, So let's let's talk specifically first about the

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Speaker 6: But you know, the roads are going to be slick

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Speaker 6: I would plan for a pretty snowy Sunday. The big

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Speaker 6: We're just not putting a lot of stock into it

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Speaker 1: So for folks that from the Indy area, or for

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Speaker 1: Sean would be it would be wise to not plan

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Speaker 2: Safe to say, uh.

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Speaker 6: Sunday is going to be a very snowy day, you know,

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't blow around as much.

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Speaker 1: Then you get the times where it becomes the challenge becomes.

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Speaker 3: Sean. I know we have a.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it can can completely ruled out. And

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Speaker 6: I don't want to completely rule it out right now,

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Speaker 1: When will we get any sort of a reprie So basically,

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Speaker 1: I don't mind snow so much. What drives me nuts

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Speaker 2: Are we getting ready for like ten days of being Siberian?

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Speaker 2: Is that what's happening?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So, you know, here's the thing. When you get a

439
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Speaker 6: deep snowpack, especially a fresh one, it gets pretty cold. Uh,

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Speaker 6: We're going to have some nights next week. Providing this

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Speaker 6: forecast plays out, we'll have some nights next week with

442
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Speaker 6: the air temperature well below zero. Might have a couple

443
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Speaker 6: of days where we're not out of the single digits.

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Speaker 6: So now we might have a few sunny days there

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Speaker 6: for you.

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Speaker 2: Jake, I'll take that. But it's kind of weird.

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Speaker 1: You kind of get used to I mean, you don't

448
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Speaker 1: get used to it, but you kind of get used

449
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Speaker 1: to it. Does that make sense? What it's super cold?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, listen, you and I kind of grew

451
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Speaker 6: up in the same time, man, But those winters of

452
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Speaker 6: the seventies and eighties, we were awesome for kids. Those

453
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Speaker 6: are what I remember. So let's you know, hey, it's January,

454
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Speaker 6: we should if you don't have spring fever now, though

455
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Speaker 6: I guarantee you you'll have to after this.

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Speaker 2: Did we have more snow when we were kids?

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Speaker 1: Shot or do we just remember it that way because

458
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Speaker 1: we took advantage of it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Maybe that was well, maybe we had true snow days

461
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Speaker 6: and that's why we remembered it. You know, I grew

462
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Speaker 6: up in Louisville. I can't tell you how many times

463
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Speaker 6: I woke up with a surprise, like my Dad's like, hey,

464
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Speaker 6: go back to bed, look out the window, you know,

465
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Speaker 6: and it's like, oh, five inches of snow on the ground.

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Speaker 6: And maybe that's what it was, you know, But yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, you think about seventy eight was

468
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Speaker 6: a brutal one here eighty I believe eighty five was

469
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Speaker 6: also a pretty nasty one, and those up until you know,

470
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Speaker 6: twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, that's actually our snowiest winter on

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Speaker 6: record in the Metro. We were up. I think we

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Speaker 6: got up to about fifty five inches that winter. So

473
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Speaker 6: we had a fast start, we slowed down, and now

474
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Speaker 6: we're ramping back up.

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Speaker 1: Sunday, by the way, is the forty eight year anniversary

476
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Speaker 1: of the Blizzard of seventy eight.

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Speaker 6: So Blizzard seventy eight, which for the just about the

478
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Speaker 6: entire state that remains the benchmark winter.

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Speaker 2: Totally totally all right, last I got to ask this

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Speaker 2: before we let you go, Sean. This Pat Kelsey, the

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Speaker 2: coach at Louisville.

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Speaker 1: I know you grew up in Louisville and you're a

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Speaker 1: UOL fan, good coach or just goofy, which is it?

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Speaker 6: No, man, I think he's pretty sharp, but you can

485
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Speaker 6: be both too though, right, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what, he's kind of to be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: I look at him a little bit like Kurt Signetti,

488
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Speaker 1: and the fact that when he took the job. You know,

489
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Speaker 1: people were like, man, this dude's saying some crazy stuff.

490
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Speaker 1: But he kind of had to write like he kind

491
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Speaker 1: of had to to to kind of sell it and

492
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Speaker 1: you know and build it back up. And I've always

493
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Speaker 1: kind of liked Louisville basketball. I like the guy. I

494
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Speaker 1: just was curious what the Louisville thought is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, we had historically probably two of

496
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Speaker 6: the statistically worst seasons you could have, uh in Division

497
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Speaker 6: one basketball. So I think he understood that he needed

498
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Speaker 6: to kind of gallanize the fan base. Of course, you

499
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Speaker 6: can talk to the game and then you know, then

500
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Speaker 6: you've got to apply it.

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Speaker 4: He does some pretty cool things.

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Speaker 6: I want you know, if you're watching it, you know,

503
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Speaker 6: out of bounds or after time out plays, he runs

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Speaker 6: some good sets. I mean there's you know, they they

505
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Speaker 6: launched the three, and when they're hitting it, they can

506
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Speaker 6: spread a lead out quickly. When they are not hitting

507
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Speaker 6: the three, sometimes they have difficulty, I believe, coming up

508
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Speaker 6: with a you know, a second scoring option. So it

509
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Speaker 6: can make it frustrating at times.

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Speaker 2: Well, sett I keep it's.

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Speaker 6: Certainly better than the latter. I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, I keep wedging myself in there on Monday afternoons

514
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Speaker 1: at WTCHR. I just hang around the back and then

515
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Speaker 1: eventually they bring me in there. So I don't know

516
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Speaker 1: if I'll see them Monday or not. But I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you coming on the program.

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Speaker 6: Well, we appreciate you, brother. You're welcome anytime.

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Speaker 2: Man appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Sean ask joining us from WTHR Channel thirteen. They will

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Speaker 1: have all of your coverage. Joining us down in the

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Speaker 1: Java House peeling poor guest line. Java House dot com

523
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Speaker 1: is the website, and you know you've heard me mention

524
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Speaker 1: it before. The amazingly smooth Columbian coffee. They have Ethiopian

525
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: coffee as well. They have Sumatra coffee. They've got te's

526
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Speaker 1: and a number of varieties, whether you're talking black, t Peacht,

527
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Speaker 1: whatever it might be. The Wrangler Energy drink and the

528
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Speaker 1: Liquid Sigence hydration drink, all of them very easy pods.

529
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Speaker 1: You peel them off, eight ounces of the water, you pour

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Speaker 1: it in and instantly beverage.

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Speaker 2: Tony East is a fan of the way that that

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Speaker 2: all works, and he joins us now on the guest line.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: Forbes locked on pacers talking about the Pacers who dropped

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Speaker 1: one last night to the Boston Celtics.

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Speaker 2: Tony, how are you.

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Speaker 7: I'm happy to be here and not sound like Al

538
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Speaker 7: and his gang of chunks. So that's an exciting update.

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Speaker 1: You just jinxed yourself. You realize that, right, this is

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Speaker 1: a real test. Sounded like you might have been consuming

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Speaker 1: a beverage as you started out there. By any chances

542
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Speaker 1: it one that was made through the sound of event,

543
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Speaker 1: just putting a pod right there into the water.

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Speaker 7: I do have a coffee in my hand. Yes, it's

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Speaker 7: actually gone.

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Speaker 2: That was the last tips. Well, we'll get you some

547
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Speaker 2: more Java House. That's what we need to do, Tony.

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Speaker 7: It is Java House.

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Speaker 2: Love it. I absolutely love that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's begin with this kind of the weekly chat.

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Speaker 1: I guess I think we now know where things stand.

552
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Speaker 1: We now know where things stand with the Pacers for

553
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Speaker 1: those that might have been holding out hope of like

554
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe they'll get things turned around, maybe they'll

555
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Speaker 1: get it going in the right direction. Pretty clear where

556
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Speaker 1: things are headed at this point. Question becomes, I think,

557
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Speaker 1: how active are they going to be at the trade

558
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Speaker 1: deadline or are they going to wait for sign and trades?

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Speaker 2: End of year.

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Speaker 1: What is your initial or overwhelming gut thought sentiment on that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's funny you you mentioned everybody knows. This

562
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Speaker 7: is like TJ McConnell had a season with the Sixers

563
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Speaker 7: where they closed the year twenty seven and five good.

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Speaker 7: The Pacers closed last year very good. If the Pacers

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Speaker 7: right now well on a twenty five stretch, it'd still

566
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Speaker 7: be under five hundred, right like they That is the

567
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Speaker 7: state of affair that they're and I think everybody knows

568
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Speaker 7: what this is now, right They're still going to try

569
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Speaker 7: to what they can about the team, especially before the deadline,

570
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Speaker 7: and truth be told, I think they have to smile

571
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Speaker 7: at least someone that it hasn't been great in terms

572
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Speaker 7: of the results, but this healthy ish stretch from like

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Speaker 7: New Year's eave until right now, obviously no Matherin for

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Speaker 7: all of that, they've looked like a capable They've had

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Speaker 7: some ugly onesses along the way, but leading in the

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Speaker 7: fourth quarter a lot. They won four out of five

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Speaker 7: against actually good and not crappy teams like the schedule

578
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Speaker 7: helped them do before the Cup, So at least they

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Speaker 7: know that their team still be good with healthy hope

580
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Speaker 7: or knock on wood. No one's ever healthy in the NBA.

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Speaker 7: But next season, however, do it.

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Speaker 4: Line coming up?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they obviously have to be thinking long term and

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Speaker 7: not about any short term gain that this year could provide.

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Speaker 7: And they have a tiny bit of financial flexibility, they

586
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Speaker 7: might look to just use that space to bring in

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Speaker 7: some assets that they could use in a later move.

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Speaker 7: But you nailed what their decision will have to be

589
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Speaker 7: is they need a center and they you know, they

590
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Speaker 7: might want to add talent in other work. Did they

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Speaker 7: do that now or do they do that in the summer?

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Speaker 7: And it's hard to sign and trade, but it's the

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Speaker 7: possibility from given their current situation and they have a

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Speaker 7: lot of moveable salaries now with Jackson, Ben Matherin, Jarris Walker,

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Speaker 7: all these guys that like could in theories together to

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Speaker 7: fetch something. But what's the value of those guys, what's

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Speaker 7: their value in the summer? So I think out of

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Speaker 7: their work will be can they get either of their

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Speaker 7: center or something else they like now? But if not

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Speaker 7: laying the ground for what it would take to get

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Speaker 7: that in the summer, if situations change, financial, other teams

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Speaker 7: or some flames out in the playoffs and something else

603
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Speaker 7: becomes available.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this happens to me a lot.

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Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of chipmunks, I had chipmunk cheeks

606
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Speaker 1: for a long time there that would consistently hit the

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Speaker 1: mute button on my phone when I was talking.

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Speaker 2: That is not what's happening with Tony cut activity issues.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to go a different route in getting

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Speaker 1: him back on the line so we can have a

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Speaker 1: little bit clearer conversation. But I agree the center position

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Speaker 1: still and I think that we have seen We've talked

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Speaker 1: a lot about this that Jay Huff has shown, and

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Speaker 1: I really like what Jay Huff brings to the table

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Speaker 1: in terms of his activity around the rim, his shot

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Speaker 1: blocking ability.

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Speaker 2: He has done a really good job with that.

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Speaker 1: I think that clearly when they go up against very

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Speaker 1: strong bigs, he can struggle on the low block both

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Speaker 1: offensively and defensively, just with lack of overall strength, but

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Speaker 1: he's become more of a consistent shooter.

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Speaker 2: The question I would have Tony.

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Speaker 1: Is this, and we discussed this the other day, but

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Speaker 1: I'll bring it up to you. Jay Huff's ability to

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Speaker 1: rim protect and replicate that area of Miles Turner's game.

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Speaker 2: One of the things in losing Miles Turner.

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Speaker 1: That you really worried about was the rim protection aspect

628
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Speaker 1: of it, and you thought to yourself, they've got to

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Speaker 1: go out and get a player that plays that way

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Speaker 1: that Miles Turner does. Does Jay Huff showing that he

631
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Speaker 1: can rim protect and be a shot blocker in doses?

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Speaker 1: Does that alleviate the necessity of finding that skill set

633
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Speaker 1: within who it is that you go out to get

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Speaker 1: to be your starting center, and you can use Huff

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Speaker 1: for that purpose, but get a center that does other things,

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Speaker 1: but not necessarily that in terms of trying to fill

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Speaker 1: the void of Miles Turner.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense what I'm asking.

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Speaker 4: I do get what you're saying. Do I sound okay

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Speaker 4: this time?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 8: But you know it's really tricky because Huff had awesome

643
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Speaker 8: block numbers. I think teams started to figure out what

644
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Speaker 8: it would take to draw him away from the basket

645
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 8: more of late, like you got stuck on Jaylen Brown

646
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Speaker 8: on the perimeter last night, for example, and a lot

647
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Speaker 8: of his block numbers kind of faded when this happened.

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Speaker 4: Miles Turner, to.

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Speaker 8: Be clear, at one point in his career, teams realize

650
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Speaker 8: that he's chasing the block sometimes like to shoot the

651
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 8: layup really high. There's going to be an offensive rebound

652
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Speaker 8: available for your center. I'm not saying Jay has not

653
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Speaker 8: a rim protector. That's clearly his best defensive skill, but

654
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Speaker 8: I think that a lot of what he's done is

655
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Speaker 8: still very good. Like he's proven that he fits with

656
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Speaker 8: this team. The shot is at least somewhat real at times.

657
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Speaker 8: He can defend when he's around the basket, but he's

658
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Speaker 8: I don't think he's proven to be more than a

659
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 8: reserve level center with some utility to play with the starting.

660
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Speaker 4: Five, because his skills fit the team very well.

661
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Speaker 8: But fit is important for the Pacers, right They need

662
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Speaker 8: their center to be able to at least make some

663
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Speaker 8: decisions at the top of the key with screening and

664
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Speaker 8: how they get out of screens, occasionally passing right being

665
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Speaker 8: a weapon from there and so whoever, I still think

666
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Speaker 8: they need someone who can do the defensive stuff and

667
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 8: do the things that's required of a Pacer center on

668
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Speaker 8: top of huffer.

669
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Speaker 4: Whoever they else they have.

670
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Speaker 8: At center and defense is going to be critical for

671
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Speaker 8: their center spot because it's a weakness of this team

672
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 8: when they're at their best is they're just like pretty

673
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 8: good on defense, not exceptional. And if they have a

674
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Speaker 8: weak defensive center, yeah they can score a lot, but

675
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 8: they'll give up a bunch of points. So I do

676
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 8: think it's good that they have Huff on the team.

677
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 8: His utilities helpful, He fits very well. But I would

678
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Speaker 8: still think they would like whatever center they acquire to

679
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 8: be a pretty good rim to term. I mean that

680
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 8: might be one of the most important skills is that

681
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Speaker 8: they can at least cut off the.

682
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Speaker 4: Rim to some extent.

683
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Speaker 8: If that player is a better perimeter defender than Huff,

684
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Speaker 8: which is hard to find at the five, even better.

685
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Speaker 1: Give me a center. We'll go with three, actually, and

686
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Speaker 1: I know that that's kind of a lot. Tony, Tony East,

687
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Speaker 1: my guest, Java house peeling for guest line, locked on

688
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Speaker 1: pacers Forbes, whr the places where you can see and

689
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Speaker 1: hear his work. Give me three centers that you kind

690
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: of hear about, or you've got your ear to the ground.

691
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Speaker 2: Of those that might just be in need of a change.

692
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Speaker 1: They're franchised, their contract, whatever it may be that could

693
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Speaker 1: be viable options that Indiana, you would assume Kevin Pritchard

694
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Speaker 1: and Chabukanan have been monitoring.

695
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Speaker 8: Yeah, contracts are I think the biggest limiting factor for

696
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 8: the Pacers because Inrew Demhart is the third highest hid

697
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 8: pacer this year at eighteen million, and Tiakim a second

698
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 8: at forty nine.

699
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Speaker 4: So there's a huge gap right there where salary matching

700
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 4: becomes more challenging.

701
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Speaker 8: You have to stack a lot of players as the

702
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 8: Pacers to be able to bring somebody in, and so

703
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 8: there's a lot of really good players that they could,

704
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 8: in theory try to get, but they might make too

705
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 8: much or require the Pacers to really gut their team

706
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 8: to get them, and some of them even their contract

707
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 8: goes way up starting next year, and then it becomes

708
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Speaker 8: even more prohibitive.

709
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Speaker 4: So there's this range of I'm making this up.

710
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Speaker 8: Of like clearly good centers who make between fifteen and

711
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 8: twenty five million ish that it's feasible for the Pacers

712
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 8: to get them, and they're pretty good and maybe not

713
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Speaker 8: so impossible from an asset.

714
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Speaker 4: Perspective to get.

715
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Speaker 8: I think a lot of Pacers fans have landed on

716
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 8: the dream being and this is a player that I

717
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 8: have to imagine the Pacers have at least called about

718
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 8: Anyako Coonglu with the Hawks. He's really talented he's expanded

719
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 8: his range this year. He's a good defender. He started

720
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Speaker 8: a lot for them because Porzingis missed a lot game.

721
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Speaker 2: He's a really good rebounder, isn't he?

722
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Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, he.

723
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Speaker 8: Was awesome that at USC even He's a great player.

724
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 8: He went sixth overall a couple of years ago. I

725
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 8: don't know why the Hawks would move him, but they're

726
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 8: kind of influx in general, and if they were willing to,

727
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 8: you know, change up their center rotation, he'd be a

728
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 8: great fit contractually and skill watch for what the Pacers need.

729
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 8: Another one that's gotten a lot of buzz is Daniel Gafford.

730
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Speaker 8: Ironic because he was also a starting center in the

731
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Speaker 8: finals that did not have a good finals. But he's

732
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Speaker 8: a good player for the MAVs. I think his trade

733
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 8: value is really interesting.

734
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 4: He's been hurt so much this year.

735
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Speaker 8: He hurt his ankle in the preseason, has never really

736
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 8: gotten past it. He keeps banging up the same ankle.

737
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Speaker 8: But you know, he was good enough to start for

738
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 8: a finals run right like that clearly has to be something.

739
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 8: His contract is very manageable. There's guys on rookie scale

740
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 8: deals that get a lot of buzz. Khalil Ware Walker Kessler.

741
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 8: I've heard some people mentioned Derek Lively. That seems weird

742
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 8: for the MAVs to do that, but he is very good.

743
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 4: Rob Williams is in the right contract range with the Blazers,

744
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 4: but he, like Gafford has heard, a lot, isn't as

745
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: good as a lot of these guys. And there's a

746
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Speaker 4: bunch of names that in theory could make. But there's

747
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: always something. There's never like a perfect fit.

748
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 8: There's always they're too expensive, they're not quite good enough,

749
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 8: you know, there's always something that just like is a

750
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 8: little bit of a hurdle for the Pacers, even though

751
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 8: there are a lot of guys that do in the theory,

752
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 8: makes sense that they can find the right value of

753
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 8: trade package.

754
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Speaker 1: Jeris Walker, somebody asked me this question, Tony. I thought

755
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Speaker 1: it was the best wave of saying it. I thought

756
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Speaker 1: it was the best wave saying it. Well, the fog

757
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: ever clear, Does that make sense?

758
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Speaker 4: It HiT's a good way of saying it.

759
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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't want to say it is recently,

760
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 8: but it has gotten better. I think like it's it's

761
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 8: a little more crystal for him right now, like he

762
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 8: found some way to get through it, but yeah, it was,

763
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Speaker 8: I mean early in the season, I think the hope

764
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 8: was and I thought he could do it. Like I

765
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 8: was generally a Jeris Walker optimist coming into this year,

766
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 8: that he could create a little bit more off the

767
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 8: dribble than he did last year and shoot as well

768
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 8: as he has in his first two seasons, and that

769
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 8: would be a good enough offensive player, and if that

770
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 8: came with any defensive growth, that he'd be very useful

771
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 8: three and four. And instead he made nothing for months, right,

772
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 8: So recently he is once he's done two things that

773
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 8: have stood out to me. One is the shots are

774
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 8: going in. That's obviously very important. His three point percentage

775
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 8: is just about average now, which average is average, but

776
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 8: compared to where it was to start the season, is

777
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 8: like a massive step.

778
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Speaker 4: Forward for him.

779
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Speaker 2: The thing.

780
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Speaker 4: The other thing he's done recently is when.

781
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Speaker 8: He used to have for November and December, like one

782
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 8: or two plays every game that were just disasters, right,

783
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 8: like terrible turnover, a mess of.

784
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 4: A defensive rep.

785
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 8: You know, stuff like that that he shows it and

786
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 8: some of them are obvious, like a turnover, everybody knows it.

787
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 8: Sometimes a bad defensive rep is hard to catch. But

788
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 8: he shows it, he'll like get mad at himself and

789
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 8: clap or look toward the bench or something like that.

790
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 8: Like a lot of those are going away too.

791
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: So he's still an imperfect player. As young players are

792
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 4: working on his defense, he's got to.

793
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 8: Get it twitch speed a little higher laterally on the perimeter.

794
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 8: He still has turnovers every game. His shot comes and goes.

795
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 8: But I think I think it's still foggy for him,

796
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 8: but I think it is slowing down and clearing up

797
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 8: a bit right now, especially if he's kind of had

798
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 8: the same role a couple of games.

799
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 6: In a row.

800
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 4: I mean all season he's had to do.

801
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 8: I mean, at times he was the second option with

802
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 8: the bench. He's had to go up and down and

803
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 8: in involvement and in position, and he didn't handle it well.

804
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that to excuse his play, but I

805
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 8: think recently, knowing where his shots are gonna come from

806
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 8: and who he's playing with and finally seeing some results,

807
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 8: I think that's all out to a confidence build that

808
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 8: has cleared some of the fog. But that is the question,

809
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 8: is well, whatever fully go in, he looks like the

810
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 8: player that at Houston it looked like he could one

811
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 8: day become.

812
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Tony, we're gonna play one of my famous hypotheticals here.

813
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: You ready, let's go okay, yeah, we're gonna say that

814
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: you Tony east Uh decide? You know with all I mean,

815
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: you know you're right for involved with Forbes, so you

816
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: know a little bit about cashola, right, So you've fallen

817
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: into this windfall of money with your writing and everything,

818
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, your appearances and everything. So you invest that

819
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: money into an apartment building. Okay, high end apartment building,

820
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: and you know, just like the Jeffersons, we're moving up

821
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: to the You're going to call your apartment building the

822
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: east Side, right, just so everybody knows.

823
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: I mean, this is high end stuff.

824
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: And you have as tenants Ben Matheren, He's got a

825
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: really nice unit in your place. Jaris Walker's got a

826
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: really nice place, so too does Isaiah Jackson. Okay, somebody

827
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: calls you and they go, hey, Tony, you got any

828
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: upcoming vacancies because my daughter's looking for a place to

829
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: live and we've got a little extra cash.

830
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: How many apartments are you going to have open up

831
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 2: next year? What's your answer?

832
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 4: Two would be my answer. I think that so Mather

833
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: is the natural.

834
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 8: One to start at because his contract is expiring, and

835
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 8: the Pacers have shown their hand with this as they

836
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 8: should to be clear over the years in the past.

837
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 8: Two years ago they made the conference finals. In mid season,

838
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 8: they traded away sometimes starter for them. Buddy Heal got

839
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 8: moved and granted that there was a lot more to

840
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 8: that than just his contracts, but like they realized they

841
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 8: should probably be thinking ahead with that, they took it.

842
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 8: Doug McDermott in a second. They got worse as a team,

843
00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 8: but they got an.

844
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 4: Asset for the year.

845
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 8: Before that, Miles Turner was going to be an expiring

846
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 8: contract that year, and then he extended mid season and

847
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 8: after the deadline or close to it.

848
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: I can't remember when Rick Carlisle said it. He said, yeah,

849
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 4: this deadline might have been different if we hadn't done

850
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 4: that with Miles. Right.

851
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 8: This team smartly, as every team does. If you have

852
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 8: an expiring contract, you think about their future. Regardless of

853
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 8: how good you are and how good they are, you

854
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 8: have to think about it. And nowther and it's an

855
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 8: expiring contract and he's.

856
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 4: A restricted free agent.

857
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 8: They can easily keep him if they want to, but

858
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 8: they have to think about Okay, he's gonna earn more

859
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 8: money on his next deal. What makes sense for them

860
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 8: with presumably a big salary draft pick coming.

861
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 4: In the door next year. What's his role going to be?

862
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: Is it worth as much.

863
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 8: Money as he'll demand if he's still coming off the

864
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 8: bench for them? But also, his potential looks awesome at times.

865
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 8: I mean, the first few games of the season were insane.

866
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 8: He looked amazing. Right, It's gonna be a very hard call,

867
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 8: but I do think they have to think about what

868
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 8: the team would look like.

869
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 4: Without him, even though it might look good with him.

870
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 8: They just made the finals with him playing well in

871
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 8: the playoffs, Jackson, if he's going to be your backup

872
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 8: center or even your third string center if they acquire

873
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 8: somebody else, making seven million dollars is a big overpay

874
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 8: for that role. So he is a good player or

875
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 8: certainly a rotation level player, or they probably have to

876
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 8: think about if that asset makes the most sense for them.

877
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 8: Walker's under contract for next year certainly hasn't popped the

878
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 8: way they hoped, but at least they can say they're,

879
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 8: you know, investing in him and trying it again for

880
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 8: one more year.

881
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 4: If he's on the team, and he didn't sneak. He

882
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 4: played on the.

883
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 8: Playoff last year too before he got hurt. So I

884
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 8: would say that for most at least likely to still

885
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 8: be in their unit in my hypothetically owned apartment building,

886
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 8: would be Jaris Walker one, Isaiah Jackson two, Ben nather

887
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 8: In three, but they all have cases to be back

888
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 8: and beyond. I think multiple of those players, if they

889
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 8: trade for their center this year, would be in the

890
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 8: package for that player because of all those things I

891
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 8: just said.

892
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: And whichever one of the and then you get win

893
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: of the fact that that one of the guys looking

894
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: also for an apartment happens to be the Pacers first

895
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: round pick in the twenty twenty sixth draft.

896
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: That's going to be pick overall number on.

897
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: That's just an odds guess, right, Like three or four.

898
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 8: Is just what the odds say is very likely. But

899
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 8: if they win a couple more games, I would move

900
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 8: it down to four or five. I mean, I obviously

901
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 8: could get one.

902
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: The odds are all the same. If you have one

903
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 4: of the first four records, it's just your floor that

904
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 4: goes down. So I'll say.

905
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: Three or four, okay, fair enough, And that would be

906
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: a really good player, a really really good player, Yes,

907
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: Eddie Tony.

908
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 5: Back when the Pacers were in the lottery both for

909
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 5: Benedict Matherin Andaris Walker at the time, Jake Querry and

910
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 5: Jimmy Cook where we were talking and I remember this

911
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 5: conversation with Bobby Marks of ESPN, their front office insider,

912
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 5: and he was just stressing the importance of both of

913
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 5: those years to get it right because of a team

914
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 5: like Indiana, when you don't get a lot of key

915
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: free agents with big names, it's so important to hit

916
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 5: on the lottery. How important is it? And I don't

917
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 5: want to make this sound like, yes, the Pacers need

918
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 5: to continue to lose, but how important is it for

919
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 5: the Pacers to be in the lottery discussion with the

920
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 5: top talent that is there in this upcoming draft. And

921
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 5: not to mention the fact that we're talking right now

922
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 5: about potentially trading Juris Walker and Benedict Matherin.

923
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 8: Yes, you nailed all the reasons why had such a

924
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 8: big deal. And you know at the time too, the

925
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 8: difference between this draft pick in theory we'll see how

926
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 8: good they are next year and those two is you know,

927
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 8: they picked Matherin, they had just won twenty five games

928
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 8: or whatever it was.

929
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 4: When they picked Jerris, they had just won thirty seven,

930
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: Like there was no.

931
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 8: Idea of how good this team could be at their peak,

932
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 8: and the idea of in theory, if you nail both

933
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 8: of those, like a Haliburton Matherin Walker trio just being

934
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 8: amazing because they hadn't even traded for Pascalia. It was

935
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 8: you know, wow, look what that could be like if

936
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 8: you nail it, you have two cheap, great contributors for years,

937
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 8: Look what this could become. And then along the way

938
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 8: they got Obi and.

939
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 4: Pascal and then Aaron E.

940
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 8: Smith's contract was cheap and awesome and them hard was

941
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 8: cheap and awesome, and they built a team with chief

942
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 8: contributors a different way.

943
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: But that's really what it's about.

944
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 8: Is if you're really good, having really good players on

945
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 8: undervalued contracts is hard and very import and that's what

946
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 8: the top of the lottery can be.

947
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: Is if that player is good.

948
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 8: Or has a lot of potential to be traded for

949
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 8: something good and they're not being paid very much.

950
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: It's so huge. It's so huge for your team.

951
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think people realize how much of

952
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 8: what the Pacers have been able to do the last

953
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 8: couple of years is like two years ago they made

954
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 8: the conference finals with them Hard and Nismith's combined salary

955
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 8: being like twelve million dollars, Like that's insane. That's two

956
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 8: starters for a top two team in the East, right,

957
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 8: So that is what the biggest part of it is.

958
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 8: The difference now is that it made no sense for

959
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 8: them to really trade the six or seventh pick when

960
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 8: they weren't very good yet. I'm not saying they should

961
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 8: trade they pick this year, but like they have a

962
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 8: finals contender and they don't get a top three or

963
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 8: four pick, I take a think about it. So there's

964
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 8: just a lot for them to consider that they could

965
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 8: nail this.

966
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 4: Year, and if they get it wrong, it will hurt.

967
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 8: Tremendously that this year off where they're not playing very well,

968
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 8: did not.

969
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: Net them an awesome player.

970
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 8: But the top of the draft looks good, and it's

971
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 8: critically important just to get good players.

972
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: When you can, and if they have a chance to

973
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: do what they got.

974
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 5: It now not even just critically important for like next

975
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 5: year or two years now. I'm talking like four years

976
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 5: from now, when Pascal Siako's at the end of that

977
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 5: contract extension that he just signed, and you have to

978
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 5: find that next player to pair with Tyree s Aliburton

979
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 5: for the future.

980
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

981
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 8: And you nailed something that I think people I hope

982
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 8: at least realized when this draft comes is like like

983
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 8: we're already talking about the You know what could the

984
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 8: end of matherinder Walker's time with the.

985
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: Pacers look like five years ago like today?

986
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 8: The only Pacer who was on the team that is

987
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 8: still now there is TJ McConnell.

988
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 4: Now, they weren't very good at the time, but the.

989
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 8: League turns over so much really fast, like really fast.

990
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 8: I think if they could have Tyres Salburt forever, they would,

991
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 8: But you can't really like you can draft for fit

992
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 8: if you're really good, and they are, but you have

993
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 8: to think about who's going to be the best player.

994
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 8: Who is going to be the best player on your

995
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 8: team when they're at their best for you now, who's

996
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 8: going to be the best player for you in the

997
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 8: first two or three years of their deal. So there's

998
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 8: just a lot of considerations of getting the best player

999
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 8: now and for that next era because a lot of

1000
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 8: their contracts.

1001
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 4: Are lined up for the next two or three years.

1002
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 8: But okay, if you get a good rookie, you're going

1003
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 8: to have them for at least five, not up to

1004
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 8: eight or nine before you have to think about their future.

1005
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 8: So yeah, it's a lots and ill and it's a

1006
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 8: lot of your franchise is time that is invested in

1007
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 8: that player.

1008
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: Tony East is our guest Java House Peel and poor

1009
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: guest line. Tomorrow night for the Pacers, it is back

1010
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: to the spot.

1011
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: Of the pain.

1012
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: They are in Oklahoma City to take on the thunder.

1013
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: Tony appreciate it as always.

1014
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 8: No thanks for having me, guys, Glad it works better

1015
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 8: with audio this time.

1016
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: That's right, you don't sound like a chipmunk this time.

1017
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: Tony East joining us on the program.