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Speaker 1: The only way to bag a classy lady is to

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Speaker 2: This is Monday Gun Day with the Gun Guy.

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Speaker 1: Just watch up with the guns. They'll get your guy.

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Speaker 1: Stop calling your arms gun show. Oh it's my favorite

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Speaker 1: part of every Monday when Guy Relford walks into the

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Speaker 1: My friend, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Got a couple of things I want to get into,

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Speaker 1: including some candidate updates here in the state of Indiana.

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Speaker 1: But before we get there, Guy, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much information you can give us on this, but a

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Speaker 2: try it at the media. All I can really say is

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Speaker 2: we had a hearing today. It was a pre trial conference.

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Speaker 2: There is a jury trial now set August twenty fourth,

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Speaker 2: we'll go see what a jury of Booe County has

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Speaker 1: So pre trial conference was today actually, and the trial

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Speaker 2: Know, and you know things can change. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: and i'd expect the case to go forward at that point.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's pivot to something I heard you

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Speaker 1: talking about on your show. This weekend. I was going

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Speaker 1: unquote Republican Liz Brown. And I'm just going to assume

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Speaker 1: you're not endorsing Liz Brown.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Known Liz Brown. For people who don't know,

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Speaker 2: this is not hyperbole, this is not exaggeration, Democrat or Republican.

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Speaker 2: If there's a single legislator in the Indiana General Assembly

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Speaker 2: Precisely right, which, by the way, may have something to

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I call those people trans Republicans. They call themselves Republicans,

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Speaker 2: So here's I'm gonna steal that.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't know anything about local or Indiana politics. You

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Speaker 2: It's such a good point, Jerry. And you know, when

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Speaker 2: Well this year she's taking on in the Senate Greg Walker.

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Speaker 1: Guy Relford in studio with us. It's Monday, gun day.

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Speaker 1: Before we went to a break. Guy, we were talking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is interesting because first of all, you have

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Speaker 2: to wonder what problem they're trying to fix, right, gun

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Speaker 2: But there's no federal law today that says you can't

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Speaker 2: Schools exactly, And that's why I mentioned that if you're

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Speaker 2: There's no law against carrying a gun in a church

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Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons I have my show,

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Speaker 2: And he said, well, yeah, I can. There's no law

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Speaker 2: not he said, well, you can't carry a gun enough

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Speaker 1: How many frantic calls and parking lots do you get, guy,

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Speaker 2: And frankly, I'm honored because it means people know who

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Speaker 2: so my guy, they didn't let my guy vot vote,

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Speaker 2: and he wasn't going to give up his Second Amendment rights,

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Speaker 2: and so we sued him. And not only did we

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Speaker 2: win a nice settlement in that case, because eventually they

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Speaker 2: went kicking and screaming, but eventually they had to concede

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Speaker 2: we were right and they were actually violating what was

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Speaker 2: called the Indiana Firearms Preemption Act, which has local governments

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Speaker 2: can't regulate where you can carry a gun. There's some

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Speaker 2: certain exceptions, but for the most part, they can't regulate that.

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Speaker 2: So they admitted we were right. My guy got a

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Speaker 2: nice settlement, and as a result of that, polling workers,

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Speaker 2: poll stations, the election workers got educated all across the state.

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Speaker 2: They say, hey, if you're not at a place where

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Speaker 2: firearms are otherwise prohibited, you can't prevent somebody from voting

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Speaker 2: while they're carrying a gun.

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Speaker 1: If somebody wants to hire you or ask you a question,

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Speaker 1: where can they go.

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Speaker 2: Ralford Law dot Com easiest way to get a hold

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Speaker 2: of me. Ralford law dot com.

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Speaker 1: The gun Guy, Guy Ralford, you're the best.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks guys,