WEBVTT - Mac & Bone Show - Frank Garcia Interview 0:00:00.030 --> 0:00:03.550 But right now, let's focus a little bit on the 0:00:03.590 --> 0:00:08.500 Panthers post-Thursday night, post, you know, the thoughts about firing 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.119 Avero and passing game coordinator Jonathan Cooley. Todd Walsh, the 0:00:12.140 --> 0:00:15.820 D-line coach, will now be the D.C. Let's talk through 0:00:15.870 --> 0:00:18.270 some of this stuff. I know Frank Garcia has opinions 0:00:18.470 --> 0:00:21.930 on it and obviously knows ball, having played so many 0:00:21.950 --> 0:00:24.090 years in the NFL, including here. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:25.380 In Carolina. 0:00:25.620 --> 0:00:28.780 And of course his years here talking about it on WFNZ, 0:00:28.860 --> 0:00:31.580 Frank Garcia is with us on the Mac and bone show. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:33.300 Frank, how you been, man? What's going on? 0:00:34.700 --> 0:00:37.560 I'm doing good guys. Hope you're doing well. Uh, every 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.720 week's a good week when the Panthers aren't playing, they 0:00:40.740 --> 0:00:41.240 can't lose. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:42.000 It's crazy. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.430 I'm looking forward to, you know, the conversation, but, uh, 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.920 Hopefully they can figure things out because right now they're 0:00:48.940 --> 0:00:50.620 spiraling a little bit. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:51.760 No doubt, no doubt. 0:00:52.460 --> 0:00:55.740 Okay, so what did you think of the firing of 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:01.220 Jiro Avero? Was it justified, and do you think that 0:01:01.380 --> 0:01:04.190 it can make a big difference, or do you think 0:01:04.530 --> 0:01:07.190 it's really not going to change anything until we get healthy? 0:01:07.350 --> 0:01:07.830 What do you think? 0:01:08.670 --> 0:01:10.150 Well, I think a little bit of both. I mean, 0:01:10.230 --> 0:01:13.490 obviously the Panthers' offensive line is struggling right now with 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.750 you know, their play. But I think that a lot 0:01:16.770 --> 0:01:18.670 of that has to do with, you know, some of 0:01:18.690 --> 0:01:21.209 the protection schemes that they've been running and, you know, 0:01:21.230 --> 0:01:23.470 kind of teams have figured out how to beat this 0:01:23.530 --> 0:01:27.170 team and put pressure on our quarterback. So I don't 0:01:27.290 --> 0:01:29.390 remember if you remember the Super Bowl when Cam was 0:01:29.430 --> 0:01:31.580 quarterback and, you know, teams kind of figured out how 0:01:31.590 --> 0:01:34.479 to rush him. They rushed the guys wide, pressured him 0:01:34.540 --> 0:01:36.500 up the middle, knowing that he was always going to 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:38.940 kind of escape one way or the other, you know, 0:01:38.980 --> 0:01:41.440 to his right typically. and they'd run him down from 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.900 behind or corral him with those hands. And kind of 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.900 the same thing's happening with Bryce. Bryce maybe not being 100% 0:01:47.900 --> 0:01:51.550 healthy is limiting him even more than what he's able 0:01:51.590 --> 0:01:54.990 to do inside the pocket because of his lack of 0:01:55.030 --> 0:01:57.250 size and able to see over the middle. So teams 0:01:57.270 --> 0:02:00.470 are rushing him up the middle, pushing him in the middle, 0:02:00.690 --> 0:02:02.670 and trying to force him to throw passes in the 0:02:02.690 --> 0:02:06.020 middle because the defenses are going to take away those outsides, 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.090 and they're playing– The NFL is going to make you 0:02:09.100 --> 0:02:15.730 play to your limitations. That's what's happening for the Panthers. 0:02:15.770 --> 0:02:18.470 But even the protection schemes and getting back to the 0:02:18.510 --> 0:02:22.889 coaches and watching what the Bucs did and even the Eagles, 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:24.920 I think the Bucs more because they play them more often. 0:02:25.380 --> 0:02:28.140 They know when the Panthers, they were predictable when they 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.440 were going to slide a certain way. And it's a 0:02:30.460 --> 0:02:33.480 chess match. You look at what the offensive line does. 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.330 It's a universal call. They go lucky, lucky. You want 0:02:36.350 --> 0:02:38.410 to slide the line left, and they bring the blitz 0:02:38.450 --> 0:02:43.030 from the right. So the Panthers aren't readjusting after the 0:02:43.419 --> 0:02:45.860 defense is just, and they know the calls and the signs, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.400 and they're just putting pressure on Bryce in two seconds 0:02:49.460 --> 0:02:52.820 or less and forcing him to throw the ball. You've 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.060 got to have everybody on your P's and Q's when 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.820 it's happening that quick, and the routes can't be very 0:02:58.870 --> 0:03:01.230 long down the field if that's going to continue to happen. 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.400 On the offensive line side of things, Frank, how surprised 0:03:05.500 --> 0:03:09.200 are you that Rob Hunt has regressed to the point 0:03:09.220 --> 0:03:11.929 he has so far this season, whether it's the penalties 0:03:11.970 --> 0:03:14.850 or just overall play? We thought he was a stalwart, 0:03:14.889 --> 0:03:17.490 but right now it appears like he's as big a 0:03:17.530 --> 0:03:19.090 problem as anybody on the offensive line. 0:03:20.510 --> 0:03:22.570 Yeah, he's given up a lot of pressure at the 0:03:22.630 --> 0:03:26.360 right guard, and again, teams are going to study film, 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.899 and they're going to see him play often, and they're 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.250 going to know what moves give him the difficult challenges. 0:03:32.330 --> 0:03:34.650 And it seems like when you play a slippery guy 0:03:34.690 --> 0:03:36.310 that's going to be able to get into the middle 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.960 and maybe, you know, rip underneath, they're pressuring him a lot. And, 0:03:41.220 --> 0:03:43.400 you know, the center's not doing him a lot of favors, 0:03:43.900 --> 0:03:45.600 you know, by just kind of standing in the middle, 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.940 really doing nothing. Looks like he's out there like my 0:03:47.980 --> 0:03:50.900 three-year-old and picking flowers and looking up in the sky 0:03:50.940 --> 0:03:54.420 sometimes because he's not really aggressive in an active center. 0:03:55.580 --> 0:03:58.100 So that's not Robert, you know, that's not, that's not, 0:03:59.010 --> 0:04:02.860 The right guard is getting beat so cleanly, but he's 0:04:03.100 --> 0:04:06.300 got to improve his play for sure, and it doesn't 0:04:06.340 --> 0:04:08.870 help when defenses are pinning their ears back knowing that 0:04:09.150 --> 0:04:13.210 they have an injured animal over their quarterback. 0:04:13.820 --> 0:04:18.040 We're talking with Frank Garcia, former Panthro lineman, giving his 0:04:18.100 --> 0:04:22.400 thoughts on what's going on. Frank, it was interesting. You 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:26.270 started by talking about the protection schemes and teams maybe 0:04:26.310 --> 0:04:29.440 being able to figure them out and exploit those. So 0:04:29.500 --> 0:04:34.000 do you think, whereas I, the untrained eye or certainly 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.490 less trained eye, I see like Rasheed Walker and it's like, 0:04:37.610 --> 0:04:40.370 oh my God, he's getting bull rush. Oh man, he 0:04:40.430 --> 0:04:41.610 just went to block this dude. 0:04:41.650 --> 0:04:42.070 He went around. 0:04:42.410 --> 0:04:44.950 Like I see, I see Monroe Freeling. It's like, oh, 0:04:44.970 --> 0:04:46.690 he just looks like a rookie out there learning on 0:04:46.710 --> 0:04:49.239 the job. You already brought up a couple interior guys. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.740 So I tend to blame it on the, on the 0:04:51.900 --> 0:04:55.260 individual players. Do you, Do you think it's more the 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.700 schemes they're being asked to run? Or I guess, I 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:58.820 guess you're saying it's a mix. 0:04:58.940 --> 0:05:02.570 I guess. Yeah. I mean, definitely, you know, when you 0:05:02.589 --> 0:05:05.490 have a backup plan, you know, and a starting position 0:05:05.610 --> 0:05:08.270 or a rookie teams are going to lick their chops 0:05:08.370 --> 0:05:10.529 or defensive players that have played a long time are 0:05:10.550 --> 0:05:12.810 going to lick their chops. No. And I got a rookie. 0:05:13.070 --> 0:05:15.880 And a lot of times the technique that rookies use are, 0:05:16.250 --> 0:05:17.880 you know, they get away from it in college because 0:05:17.900 --> 0:05:19.460 they can grab a guy, hold a guy and then 0:05:19.580 --> 0:05:22.240 lock them down. When you get to the NFL, you 0:05:22.260 --> 0:05:26.000 have to learn how to counter their counter, and they're 0:05:26.020 --> 0:05:28.610 going to make a move. You might stop that initial move, 0:05:28.850 --> 0:05:31.110 but they're setting you up for that second move, and 0:05:31.150 --> 0:05:34.210 that's where rookies a lot of times get left standing 0:05:34.670 --> 0:05:37.210 at the line of scrimmage with the guy not in 0:05:37.250 --> 0:05:40.450 front of them because they're not using the technique that 0:05:40.490 --> 0:05:44.010 it takes to develop that time to get out there 0:05:44.310 --> 0:05:46.619 and get better. So, yeah, he's struggling at right tackle 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:51.080 for sure. The left tackle right now, he's been good 0:05:51.140 --> 0:05:54.740 at times, but that's why he's a backup, guys. The 0:05:54.779 --> 0:05:57.880 difference between backups and starters is the consistency in which 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:03.590 you play. Going out there and every play, not just dominating, 0:06:03.650 --> 0:06:07.370 but just doing your job. When you get beat two 0:06:07.410 --> 0:06:10.750 or three times, especially at tackle, they're glaring and they 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.280 cause sacks or pressures. That's going to be very noticeable. 0:06:15.089 --> 0:06:20.250 I remember when the left tackle was injured right now, 0:06:20.350 --> 0:06:23.210 Icky went out there and when he first started and 0:06:23.550 --> 0:06:26.870 he struggled as well. So Bryce has been able to 0:06:27.070 --> 0:06:29.330 alleviate some of that pressure by getting rid of the 0:06:29.370 --> 0:06:31.990 ball quickly. But teams, like I said, are going to 0:06:32.050 --> 0:06:37.130 start jamming receivers and pushing the pocket up the middle 0:06:37.710 --> 0:06:40.680 after they're rushing those guys outside, forcing Bryce to throw 0:06:40.740 --> 0:06:43.540 the ball quickly and And if our routes don't adjust 0:06:43.580 --> 0:06:47.100 to those and our protection doesn't slide the right way 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.700 or pick those schemes up, then he's going to have 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.280 pressure right away. You can't win in this league solely 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.920 by going RPOs and throwing the ball. You have to 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.820 have protection. You have to have a quarterback that can 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.950 sit in the pocket. And he's digressed as well and 0:07:02.990 --> 0:07:04.969 be able to do those things. I mean, listen, we got... 0:07:05.300 --> 0:07:07.620 We've got a four-year sample size, four and a half 0:07:07.660 --> 0:07:10.860 years now, of Bryce Young. He's had six, seven really, 0:07:10.900 --> 0:07:13.900 really good games consistently. I don't think he's a part 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:15.870 of the problem. I think he can be a part 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.530 of the solution. But he's limited in what you can do. 0:07:18.590 --> 0:07:21.190 He's not going to solely make guys around him better. 0:07:21.550 --> 0:07:25.570 He needs guys to help him be better, right? And 0:07:25.590 --> 0:07:27.410 that's the side of a good player but not a 0:07:27.450 --> 0:07:29.710 great player, right? And that's what Bryce Young is. He's 0:07:29.730 --> 0:07:32.510 a really, really good player at times. He's just not 0:07:32.730 --> 0:07:35.810 a great player at times. and able to make everybody 0:07:35.870 --> 0:07:39.250 around him better unless those things are falling in line, 0:07:39.540 --> 0:07:41.280 and he is going to do his job at a 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:41.760 high level. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.860 That is the voice of We Are Frank Garcia here 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.200 on the Mac and Bone Show. 0:07:46.220 --> 0:07:48.650 Just bring back a legendary moment there from your. 0:07:48.570 --> 0:07:49.070 Past, Frank. 0:07:52.380 --> 0:07:55.000 We're going to be back in about 10 minutes. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.190 That was all day one. That was another doozy. 0:08:01.210 --> 0:08:01.530 Oh, gosh. 0:08:01.650 --> 0:08:04.670 Oh, I miss it. What are your thoughts on Dave 0:08:04.750 --> 0:08:06.670 Canales overall as a head coach? 0:08:07.970 --> 0:08:10.130 I think he's a soft coach. I really do. You 0:08:10.170 --> 0:08:14.390 cannot have in this league guys going out there and 0:08:14.430 --> 0:08:17.960 making the mistakes that Evans has made at cornerback. And 0:08:17.980 --> 0:08:20.660 I know he didn't play much this last game. you 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.460 have to have the fear of God in these guys 0:08:24.980 --> 0:08:30.120 for at least keeping their job. And when you have 0:08:30.140 --> 0:08:33.170 a guy that's so glaringly out of place, and I 0:08:33.230 --> 0:08:34.910 know it, I know you guys saw it, and if 0:08:34.950 --> 0:08:37.850 you guys can see it, everybody can see it, that 0:08:38.510 --> 0:08:41.550 Evans didn't belong on the football field against Detroit, and 0:08:41.590 --> 0:08:43.730 he definitely doesn't belong on the football field after that. 0:08:43.830 --> 0:08:45.110 And the fact that he went out in the next 0:08:45.150 --> 0:08:48.280 game and started I was shocked. I was like, if 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.800 that guy gets back on the bus, or he doesn't 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.350 just get on the bus and go home, he's not 0:08:52.370 --> 0:08:54.970 given a ticket, and have his bags waiting outside his 0:08:55.000 --> 0:09:00.690 locker room, then we have a country club culture in 0:09:00.730 --> 0:09:04.330 that locker room. If you're Dave Canales, and you're going 0:09:04.350 --> 0:09:06.689 to go out there and tell us... that you have 0:09:06.750 --> 0:09:08.970 better options and you don't play them because that's the 0:09:09.010 --> 0:09:12.400 guy you go out there with, you're chicken shit, right? 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.520 That's really what it is. You're chicken shit to go fire, guys. Easy. 0:09:15.540 --> 0:09:16.220 Watch this. 0:09:17.990 --> 0:09:19.890 Language there, Frank. Frank thought he was on the podcast. 0:09:22.350 --> 0:09:24.929 Frank thought he was on Suits podcast there for a second. 0:09:25.530 --> 0:09:29.220 I'm all, baby, you forget these radio rules, Frankie. We'll 0:09:29.380 --> 0:09:30.280 be back in 10 months. 0:09:30.460 --> 0:09:34.459 I think fans love it. I think fans would love 0:09:34.500 --> 0:09:37.020 that you got that mad. I want to ask you 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:41.640 something right there, too, because it's interesting. I forget who 0:09:41.660 --> 0:09:43.780 it was. One of the media members that was talking 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:48.340 about the Avero firing was wondering, like, could it have 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.620 to do in part with a Vero, like telling Dave, 0:09:53.020 --> 0:09:56.030 I want to play Evans and, and having a guy 0:09:56.050 --> 0:09:58.050 like Marco Wilson who played a lot better on the 0:09:58.090 --> 0:10:01.260 practice squad, but it taking like four games to get 0:10:01.300 --> 0:10:04.620 to him over Evans, but you're blaming Canales. Like, do you, 0:10:04.860 --> 0:10:07.540 how does the dynamic work in locker rooms? Do you 0:10:07.580 --> 0:10:10.330 think it's possible that, that a Vero said, Hey, I'm a, 0:10:10.620 --> 0:10:12.770 I believe in Evans. I'm gonna keep playing them. And 0:10:12.790 --> 0:10:15.030 Canales would let him do that. Or, or do you 0:10:15.050 --> 0:10:16.370 think the head coach would intervene? 0:10:18.070 --> 0:10:19.750 It could have been that or it could have been 0:10:19.790 --> 0:10:23.150 the opposite of that. You're going to play Evans because 0:10:23.190 --> 0:10:28.650 he's our guy. I have just not seen the fire. 0:10:28.670 --> 0:10:31.160 I know a lot of times coaches reserve that stuff 0:10:31.179 --> 0:10:33.740 for the locker rooms. Ron Rivera was a good example 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:39.100 of that. He ripped those guys sideways at practice at times. 0:10:39.929 --> 0:10:42.790 And behind closed doors. On the sideline, he looked stoic, 0:10:42.830 --> 0:10:44.720 and he really didn't have a lot of emotion. And, 0:10:44.730 --> 0:10:47.610 you know, that's a sign of a– but I can 0:10:47.650 --> 0:10:49.679 tell you, I know Ron Rivera was going to get– 0:10:49.910 --> 0:10:52.870 I don't see that in Dave Canales. He's always patting 0:10:52.890 --> 0:10:55.790 guys on the back, telling them it's okay. You know, 0:10:57.070 --> 0:10:59.670 he motivates in a positive way, which is fine, but 0:10:59.730 --> 0:11:03.570 not everybody can be motivated that way. Sometimes guys need 0:11:03.590 --> 0:11:08.420 to be motivated by fear and discipline. This is the 0:11:08.460 --> 0:11:11.220 worst penalized team in the NFL for the last two years. 0:11:12.059 --> 0:11:14.760 This is not like this is a one-off where they 0:11:14.780 --> 0:11:17.040 go out there and have– they've lost two games this 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.040 year they should have won due to penalties. That's lack 0:11:20.059 --> 0:11:23.620 of discipline. That's lack of structure. That's lack of organizational 0:11:24.530 --> 0:11:28.190 skills that, hey, there's no consequences when we make a mistake. Oh, 0:11:28.210 --> 0:11:30.270 my bad. No, screw my bad. You've got to go 0:11:30.290 --> 0:11:32.430 out there and you're going to lose your job if 0:11:32.450 --> 0:11:34.990 you continue to make these things happen, and nobody's afraid 0:11:35.010 --> 0:11:35.709 to lose their job. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.400 Frank, last thing I've got to ask you about, a 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.980 couple of listeners are reminding me of this. We had 0:11:42.020 --> 0:11:43.640 a listener text in, I don't even know if y'all 0:11:43.660 --> 0:11:45.719 heard about this, we had a listener text in a 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.210 few weeks ago, said that their buddies lost a golf 0:11:49.250 --> 0:11:53.350 tournament to you, Suit, Alex Hunter, and there. 0:11:53.250 --> 0:11:54.929 Was one other guy, I don't remember who it was. 0:11:55.590 --> 0:11:57.050 And they lost by eight shots. 0:11:57.150 --> 0:11:59.510 And he says, my buddies are so mad they insist 0:11:59.550 --> 0:12:03.790 they're scratch golfers. And, Frank, they are accusing you of 0:12:03.850 --> 0:12:08.630 doing some, like, nefarious behavior and cheating. 0:12:08.690 --> 0:12:10.820 Frank, how do you respond to that? 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:17.120 You know what? Play better. Play better. You know, I 0:12:17.140 --> 0:12:19.000 take those guys out on the course with that group 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.040 that we played with. and bet them 100 a hole 0:12:22.110 --> 0:12:24.650 if they want. I mean, whatever makes them nervous, I'll 0:12:24.690 --> 0:12:28.170 make that bet. Because that's what happens, guys. These guys 0:12:28.210 --> 0:12:30.810 go out there and scratch golfers until those cameras come on, 0:12:31.070 --> 0:12:34.040 and when the cameras come on, their hands are so shaky, right? 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.860 You look like you're Joe Biden over there at the podium, right? So... 0:12:40.350 --> 0:12:42.790 They can talk all they want about us going out 0:12:42.830 --> 0:12:47.839 there and being nefarious. We hold out on the second 0:12:47.860 --> 0:12:50.359 shot of the day, and it just got better from that. 0:12:50.580 --> 0:12:52.819 You were able to buy eagles. Listen, you go to 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.120 these charity tournaments, you can buy shots, right, because of 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.460 the polls that give you things. So, Mac, listen, I've 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.660 been accused of that because, you know, guys, they can't 0:13:02.700 --> 0:13:05.060 beat you. They accuse you of cheating, and that's the 0:13:05.100 --> 0:13:07.120 reality of it. Oh, man. 0:13:07.179 --> 0:13:10.130 I knew Frank would come with a good response. I 0:13:10.809 --> 0:13:12.490 had a feeling that would be a good response. 0:13:12.530 --> 0:13:13.929 I'm just glad you could work some golf out of 0:13:13.950 --> 0:13:14.709 the schedule there, Frank. 0:13:14.809 --> 0:13:20.720 Well, that's the experience. Boat's good today, man. Boat is 0:13:20.780 --> 0:13:23.540 killing Frank. That is true, Frank. Your experience in these 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.360 tournaments is going to be a big factor, baby. Not 0:13:26.380 --> 0:13:28.550 to mention you hitting it 700 yards, all right. 0:13:28.630 --> 0:13:31.930 As well. Well, and they haven't seen my buddy Alex. 0:13:31.950 --> 0:13:33.310 My buddy Alex can ton it, right? 0:13:33.330 --> 0:13:36.050 That's what I hear, is that Alex is really freaking good. 0:13:36.070 --> 0:13:36.510 All right. 0:13:36.570 --> 0:13:37.450 He's a good dude, too, man. 0:13:37.470 --> 0:13:37.770 All right. 0:13:38.230 --> 0:13:40.550 Anyway, and Bone and I defended you when those texts 0:13:40.590 --> 0:13:41.950 came in. I want you to know that. 0:13:41.950 --> 0:13:42.110 100%. 0:13:42.110 --> 0:13:44.210 All right. We banned those texters. 0:13:45.550 --> 0:13:48.350 Yeah. You defended me, and now you're attacking me with them. 0:13:48.690 --> 0:13:50.970 And we just stirred it up. 0:13:51.010 --> 0:13:52.870 You know, if I can't stir it up, what am 0:13:52.950 --> 0:13:54.410 I doing here? We're just journalists trying to get the 0:13:54.429 --> 0:13:58.770 right answers. All right, Frank, good to talk to you, brother. 0:13:58.790 --> 0:14:01.280 A lot of listeners are glad to hear you back 0:14:01.340 --> 0:14:03.380 on the air, man. Appreciate it, dude. Great stuff. 0:14:03.970 --> 0:14:06.230 All right, love you guys, and I hope I didn't 0:14:06.270 --> 0:14:08.150 get you guys banned from the radio for about. 0:14:08.170 --> 0:14:08.960 No, no, we're fine. 0:14:08.980 --> 0:14:10.679 I think we're all right. So far, so good. We'll 0:14:10.700 --> 0:14:13.190 do that ourselves. Appreciate it. 0:14:13.220 --> 0:14:13.600 Thank you, Frank. 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:14.230 There you go.