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Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe these characters are weirdos?

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Speaker 1: Names? Is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with a

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Speaker 1: very special guest on the hotline.

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Speaker 3: The chairman of the r NC, Joe Ruders, joins us. Chairman,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Indianapolis. How are you.

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Speaker 2: Hey doing fantastic? Thanks so much for having me on.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's an interesting time here in the

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Speaker 3: Hoosier State because we've got this changing of the congressional

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Speaker 3: map situation. Sounds like the House is on board for it,

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Speaker 3: but the Senate is still a little squirrely, and we're

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Speaker 3: seeing more and more pressure from national media, national Republicans

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Speaker 3: for Indiana to kind of get their act together. Here,

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Speaker 3: take me through what your thoughts are on what you're

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, we've spent a lot of time in Indiana

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Speaker 2: trying to make this happen. We appreciate Governor bron Speaker

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Speaker 2: You know, the Vice President said it best. He said,

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Speaker 2: we're literally just trying to level the scales and even

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Speaker 2: it out because for the last three decades, the Democrats

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Speaker 2: have been using these gerymandered districts across the country to

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Speaker 2: gain an advantage. And the people of Indiana, listen, they've

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Speaker 2: voted for the president to have a four year term.

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Speaker 2: The Democrats are going to do everything they can to

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Speaker 2: on everybody in the Trump family, in his team. They're

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Speaker 2: it's going to be NonStop. And so what we have

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Speaker 2: to do is we have to step up in Indiana's

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Speaker 2: the home team. They're they're part of us. We need

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Speaker 2: been engaged, He's been there twice. The President has called

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Speaker 2: understand if you're a senator representative of what it feels

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Speaker 2: the question is are you going to be on the

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Speaker 1: Maybe you touched on this just a little bit in

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Speaker 1: Bray or Senate pro tem, says he doesn't have the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Well let's listen. I'm in the Senate.

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Speaker 2: I know I understand how this works. Uh, put it

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Speaker 2: and if they want to vote it down, let them

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Speaker 2: vote down. You know, you already have seen some of

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Speaker 2: the stuff that happens if they're going to vote down.

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Speaker 2: You know, the RNC we're not gonna get nest early

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Speaker 2: involved in primaries. But I think the voters is the

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Speaker 2: voters in Indiana have already voted for the president have

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Speaker 2: I think there's going to be consequences. I don't know

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Speaker 3: Speaking with the R and C chairman Joe Gruders, here

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Speaker 3: about the people here in Indiana, And again, Nige and

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Speaker 3: But on the other hand, they see so many outside

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I hate to say it. You want to

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Speaker 2: They should read the room, see what's going on. This

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I am actually enjoying about

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Speaker 2: Question about it. And that's why I say, put the

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Speaker 2: And like I said, it's easy. I mean, it's when

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Speaker 2: This is about the president's last two years and where

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Speaker 2: we should We shouldn't have had to send the vice

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Speaker 2: I think the President has has made calls every single

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Speaker 1: May or may not be a difficult question here. Look,

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Speaker 1: But ultimately it's an emotional decision. It's not it's not

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Speaker 2: As an elect You're right as an elected official, and

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that since I'm a state senator as

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Speaker 3: R and C Chairman Joe Gruders with us. Joe, last

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Speaker 2: Listen, the great thing about the President is he loves everybody.

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Speaker 2: He's very forgiving, and even if you were a no,

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Speaker 3: the time for joining us. Here in Indianapolis. That's going

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me on