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Speaker 7: Well, Jake, first of all. I'm honored that you would

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Speaker 7: And everything you've just gone through in this history lesson

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Speaker 7: And for all the things he just mentioned, the fever

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Speaker 7: Had that night gone through, you could make the case, Jake,

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Speaker 1: Bill, I think one of the things, Bill Benner is

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Speaker 7: That is absolutely one hundred percent correct. He both loved

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Speaker 1: Bill. Let me ask you. Bill Benner is my guest

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Speaker 7: Boy, that's a that's a that's a great you know,

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Speaker 7: so we can't ever forget those colors, as you say,

436
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Speaker 7: and Nancy Leonard and Slick Leonard certainly among those pillars,

437
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 7: Dick Tinkham, Mike Storn, you can go back to those

438
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 7: who had the vision of the Indian Pacers, certainly Bob

439
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 7: Versay and Jim Irsay, Jim Morris and Ted Bohm and.

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00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: That group who And you know, Bill, we'd be remiss

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00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: if we didn't mention as well the Schumacher family and

442
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: what they've done from downtown Indianapolis and Victory Field and

443
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Indians, which are a staple of who we are.

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00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: There are just so many right and and the Homean family.

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00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 7: I mean again, it's all part of who we were,

446
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 7: who we are and what we've become.

447
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 5: You know it.

448
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 7: I've said this so many times to so many groups.

449
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 5: We're one.

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00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 7: We're one of the great Americans success success stories. Indianapolis,

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Speaker 7: the Indianapolis and I grew up indian No place remember

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00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 7: that down oh yeah, uh. And to see what we've

453
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 7: evolved into and reflected as the things you just mentioned,

454
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 7: the Indiana Fever, the Indianapolis cults, uh, the Indiana Pacers,

455
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 7: making that magical run to the seventh game of the

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Speaker 7: NBA Finals, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and the Indians being

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Speaker 7: one of the top deep not the top Triple I

458
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 7: franchises in all in baseball. I mean, all of these

459
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 7: things that we've seen are the results of those people

460
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 7: such as the Letards, such as the people we've mentioned,

461
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 7: who had the vision, the gumption to say, this is

462
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Speaker 7: not who we are, this is who we're going to be,

463
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 7: and we're going to get there. And I'm blessed to

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Speaker 7: have I'm so blessed to have lived through it, to

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Speaker 7: have written about it during my time at the Star,

466
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 7: and then to have participated in it during my time

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Speaker 7: in the second half of my career with the sports

468
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Speaker 7: corporate with Visit Indy and Horizon League and then Pacer

469
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Speaker 7: Sports Entertainment. I am so blessed to have had my

470
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 7: lifespan encompassed this city's lifespan as it evolved.

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Speaker 1: And Nancy Leonard a huge part of that. The Simon

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00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: family and Pacer Sports and Entertainment have issued statement as well.

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Speaker 1: We will get to that just a couple of minutes

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Speaker 1: from now, but Bill, I certainly sincerely want to thank

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Speaker 1: you today for being able to come on what is again,

476
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Speaker 1: I know, a difficult day, but at the same time

477
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Speaker 1: and I see it as a day of celebration. It's

478
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Speaker 1: a day to celebrate who we are and what we are.

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Speaker 1: And Nancy Leonard was the best of all of us,

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Speaker 1: certainly from a vision standpoint of this town. And I

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00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: appreciate you being able to expand on that today.

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Speaker 7: Well, thanks again, Jake. I'm honored that you would you

483
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 7: would you would have me on and again, Nancy was

484
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 7: such a beloved Nancy A Slick, we're such beloved friends

485
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Speaker 7: of sharing and I and you know, I'm heartbroken, but

486
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 7: I'm happy that she's she's there with Slick and my

487
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Speaker 7: brother and Jim Morris and her and mel Simon and

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00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 7: all those who who have played a role in the

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Speaker 7: in the pace of franchise. And again, it's a tough day,

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00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 7: but I'm happy for her in that respect.

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Speaker 1: Bill, I appreciate it. Be well, all right, we'll talk

492
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: to you soon, Thanks Jack, Bill Betner joining me on

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Speaker 1: the program again. As I mentioned, the Simon family and

494
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Sports and Entertainment have issued a statement. We will get

495
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: you to that and then take a look back as well.

496
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: Last night on what did happen with the fever, and

497
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: we will keep you abreast on what's going on with

498
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: the Colts today as well. On this day when we

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Speaker 1: reflect upon one of the great great pillars in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Leonard WI the Simon Family and Pacer Sports and

501
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Speaker 1: Entertainment with the following statement quote, we are heartbroken to

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Speaker 1: hear of Nancy Leonard's passing. Quite simply, we would not

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Speaker 1: be here without her. From the earliest days of the franchise,

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00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: Nancy poured her heart and soul into the team, not

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Speaker 1: just as the wife of Slick Leonard, but as a

506
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Speaker 1: female trailblazer who rallied the community when we needed it

507
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: the most, from organizing the now legendary telethon that helps

508
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: save the team to be in a constant presence Courtside

509
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: as a true super fan. Her passion for the organization

510
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: made her beloved by generations of players, alumni, and staff.

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Speaker 1: She will always be a part of the PACER's family

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00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: and her legacy you will continue to shape who we are.

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00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: We extend our heartfelt condolences to the Leonard family and

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00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: all who were touched by Nancy's remarkable life. Quote that

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Speaker 1: from the Simon Family and Pacers' Sports and Entertainment. I

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00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: do agree. By the way, this is a fabulous idea.

517
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 1: Somebody just passed along. Fabulous idea where you can always

518
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: text the show by the way at two three nine

519
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: ten seventy. For that matter, you can even text, and

520
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: you can do so to my personal phone as well.

521
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: But you can even text if you want to send

522
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: things for example like this one. Oh my gosh, I

523
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: can't tell you how many times I gave up on

524
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: Jake Q to say anything. I just changed the channel.

525
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: For the love of God, get rid of him. Please

526
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: fire the blowhard Jake dude makes no sense. Even if

527
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: you want to send that, that's cool. I'm cool with it.

528
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: But I love this idea that was also sent more rationally.

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Speaker 1: Might I add this from Chris Nancy should get a

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00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: banner in the field House with the number eighty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: That's a great call because Slick Leonard already has the

532
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: banner with this number of wins. Of course, Mel Simon,

533
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: of course, as owner, has a banner Jim Morris as well,

534
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: who is one of the pioneers in town. Nancy Leonard,

535
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: it would be perfectly fitting to have her with the

536
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: banner and the number eighty twenty eight would be perfectly,

537
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: perfectly symbolic. There is news to get to about the

538
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: Colt Shane Steiken saying that earlier today involving Kenny Moore,

539
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: Mark Boyle going to join us coming up in about

540
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: twenty but will get you caught up on what Shane

541
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: Steiken had to say about the injury to the Colts Nickel.

542
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: We'll do it next. Yes, by the way, the Pacers

543
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: have a new point guard. They obviously Eddie. When you

544
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: look at the upcoming season, and we'll get you up

545
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: on to date on Kenny Moore here in just second.

546
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: When you look at the upcoming season, they know that

547
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: it is a This is such a a weird thing

548
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: to say, But I keep going back to Tyre's Halliburton,

549
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: who had a very touching tribute to Nancy Leonard as

550
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: well earlier today on social media, where he essentially talked

551
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: about we could read it to you here in a bit,

552
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: but he to paraphrase it, he said, you know, it

553
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: was so special before every game, knowing that like he

554
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: would get that wink or a hug. Miles Turner obviously

555
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: paid tribute to her as well, when they went to

556
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference or when they won the Eastern Conference.

557
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: But Tyre's Halliburton also pointing out that she was, you know,

558
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: essentially the matriarch of Indianapolis or for the organization itself.

559
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: But you keep forgetting at least I do. Maybe I'm

560
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: the only one. I mean, I know that it's I

561
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: don't forget that Halliburton's hurt. But but you know, you, oh,

562
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: that's right. You know they're going to have to reassign

563
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: those duties if you will, and Andrew Nimhart will slide over,

564
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: and then TJ Mcconnald's your backup point guard. But now

565
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: they get a veteran to fill that number three point

566
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Speaker 1: guard role.

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00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 8: Eddie potentially Jake gets a non guarantee go through camp

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00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 8: right for Monty Morris. Yes, the other player that is

569
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 8: on a non guaranteed deal going into camp is Tony Bradley,

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00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 8: So kind of like Kendall Brown last year, and I

571
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 8: forget who he was going up against, But last year

572
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 8: the Pacers had two players on non guaranteed deals going

573
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 8: into camp. They played it out and then they made

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00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 8: a determination who against that final spot. So Monte Morris

575
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 8: and Tony Bradley, now competing for that finals spot for

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Speaker 8: the Pacers roster.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Tyre's Halliburton on Nancy Leonard on the

578
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: expost twitter quote, the first lady of Indiana basketball. Before

579
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Speaker 1: every game, I knew I could count on a wink

580
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: and a smile behind the bench. There is no Pacers

581
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Speaker 1: basketball without Nancy Leonard. Can't wait to see the day

582
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: her name is in the rafters where it belongs, rip

583
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Speaker 1: to a legend and a beautiful soul. And then a

584
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Speaker 1: video of him hugging her again after the Eastern Conference

585
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: Finals win for the Pacers. Kenny Moore, we thought it

586
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: was a calf in Eddie And this is a position

587
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: that is of obvious for the Colts, and I think

588
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: they've done a good job to this point dealing with

589
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: some of the injuries and attrition in their defensive backfield.

590
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: But Kenny Moore now Shane Styke and clarifying It's kind

591
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: of like, and I hate to use this analogy, but

592
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: when you take your car in and you think it

593
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: might just be a simple problem with the battery and

594
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: then you find out you know, well, no, actually there

595
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: could be We've got to look at your alternator. This

596
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: could be, and we hope this is not the case.

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00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm knocking on wood.

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00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 9: You know a firsthand about that problem.

599
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: You're not kidding. My car was in five weeks.

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Speaker 9: They had it. It's like going through physical therapy, Jake.

601
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: It was, it was, and it was one thing after

602
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: another right now. In the case of Kenny Moore though,

603
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: now Shane Stike and did give clarity, correct Eddie.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so he went. They did some further examination on

605
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 8: the quote unquote calf injury. They believed it to be

606
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 8: as you said, Jake, they now believe it's an achilles injury.

607
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 8: Injured reserve is not being discuss so that is an

608
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 8: encouraging sign. But you would still expect anymore to miss

609
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 8: a couple of weeks for the Indianapolis Colts.

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00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just when you stay, and especially I don't

611
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: know Ralph Frief is going to join us coming up

612
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: at two o'clock hour, and we'll be able to specify.

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00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: I think a little bit more on what I'm about

614
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: to say, but I would assume I don't know this.

615
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor. I didn't even take a Sally

616
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: Struthers class. But I would assume I.

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00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 9: Mean, for Pete's sake, You think we have four ankles, Yeah,

618
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 9: you're clearing not a doctor.

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Speaker 1: We do have four ankles. No, But but the achilles,

620
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: I would think the range of motion or the way

621
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: that you have to move when you are spinning the

622
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: vast majority of your job running backwards as opposed to forward.

623
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: You know, Admittedly, I mean, obviously, I'm sure that muscle

624
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: strengthens itself based on that motion more than the average person,

625
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: et cetera. But I do wonder if that compromises it

626
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: more and puts him in more precarious position with that.

627
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: I maybe that's the dumbest thing anybody's ever said. I

628
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: don't know, But nonetheless that that is an area that

629
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like the Pacers with Haliburton.

630
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: If Kenny Moore was not available or if he misses time,

631
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: then you got to move some people around a little bit,

632
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: because it's different than just putting somebody at you know,

633
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: when you're when you're getting into the nickel and you know,

634
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: et cetera, you start getting into areas there that you

635
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: got to get creative. But they've done a good job

636
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: so far with it. But the Rams are a team,

637
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, Stafford likes to air it out, no question

638
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: about that.

639
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 8: Sixty eight percent of his past attempts are going to

640
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 8: either Puka Nakua or Devonte Adams. So when he drives

641
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 8: back to pass, you know, pretty much seven out of

642
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 8: ten passes are going to go to one of those

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00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 8: six point eight I know, rounding up, Jake, pretty much,

644
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 8: you can't have six point eight percent of it?

645
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: Do you do the round up thing when you when

646
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: and that's the big thing now when you go anywhere

647
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: and you use your card and then it's like, would

648
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: you like to round up for you know, charity or whatever?

649
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Speaker 9: Do you do you do the round up? It depends

650
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Speaker 9: most of the time.

651
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Speaker 6: I do.

652
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: I mean I you know what. A lot of times

653
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Speaker 1: the clerk will just automatically decline it for you and

654
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: you're like, well, no, I was it was eight cents.

655
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that, you know.

656
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Speaker 9: I want to help the Rally Children's Hospital or something. Yeah,

657
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 9: it's usually that or like Ronald McDonald house or something.

658
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: Like an animal shelter or something like that. You know,

659
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. The other thing, By the way,

660
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Speaker 1: Colts News Jonathan Taylor has been named the AFC Offensive

661
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: Player of the week. No big surprise there, and they

662
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: may need it. You know, Taylor may be big as

663
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: he is anyway, it goes without saying when you look

664
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Speaker 1: at their offense, but especially against the Rams, and I

665
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: know Stafford is not this is not the Matt Stafford

666
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: of five years ago, but I still think that you,

667
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: especially when you're on the road, if they find themselves

668
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: in position with the lead late, you know, you want

669
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Speaker 1: to kind of keep the ball out of his hands

670
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: because he is a guy that you get him in rhythm,

671
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: he can get go on a little bit.

672
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Speaker 8: There should be a really good test for the Colts

673
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 8: offensive line. The Rams have one of the best front

674
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 8: sevens in the National Football League. They've got Jared Versus

675
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 8: on the end, and they've got a bunch of different

676
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 8: young guys that they rotate in and out of there

677
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 8: that can you know, create havoc.

678
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 9: They did a really good.

679
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 8: Job last week at limiting Saquon Barkley and it's ultimately

680
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 8: additionally the being down by you know, sixteen nineteen points

681
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 8: or whatever it was, but Philly to abandon the run

682
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 8: and go to the pass a little bit more. Their

683
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 8: secondary is very suspect and it is arguably one of

684
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 8: the worst secondaries in the league. That's why they're still

685
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 8: reliant on those guys up front getting after the quarterback.

686
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 8: So if the offensive line can hold up Daniel Jones,

687
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 8: if he has time to pass, he should be able

688
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 8: to shred the defense again.

689
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: Last night, Eddie, what time did you get out of here?

690
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: Because you had to do the postgame show of course

691
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: for the Fever broadcast. They were getting underway late last

692
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: night in Las Vegas and midnight thirty. They went two

693
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: different runs I thought last night. You know, they at

694
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: one point, I think they had an eleven to nothing

695
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: run at one point in the first half. But the

696
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: problem is they just they dug themselves twice too big

697
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: a hole. And you see that sometimes where teams get

698
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: down and then you exert so much energy to get

699
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: yourself back in that it just it maintains that way

700
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: and that becomes difficult, right.

701
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, they just struggled taking care of the basketball. Jake

702
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 8: twenty two or two overs last night. That was a

703
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 8: season high for any game. It was encouraging to see

704
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 8: Lexi Hill go five of eleven on three pointers, tied

705
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 8: to franchise record, and she was questionable playing into it

706
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 8: right Yeah, that's another thing too that you could tell

707
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 8: during the course of that game she was kind of

708
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 8: laboring when she was getting up off the floor when

709
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 8: she was getting knocked down with the back issue. It

710
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 8: was a late addition. Stephanie White even said that they

711
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 8: had to wait to see how she felt going through

712
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 8: pregamable warm ups before making a determination if she was

713
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 8: even going to be available. She was available in a very,

714
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 8: very physical game, and I know both coaches had, you know,

715
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 8: comments after the game last night about just how the

716
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 8: officiating needs to kind of get it in check in

717
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 8: terms of the physicality. Becky Hammond went as far to

718
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 8: say that if some of the stuff that was happening

719
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 8: in the WNBA that's happening in the stuff that was

720
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 8: happening in the WNBA happened in the NBA, it would

721
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 8: totally spark a fight or something on the court. So

722
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 8: there's kind of you get it in check a little bit,

723
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 8: and hopefully that can be discussed over the course of

724
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 8: the summer on the off season during CBA negotiations.

725
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Speaker 1: So series tied at the game apiece. It is the

726
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: best of five, so still home court advantage for the Fever.

727
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: We come back he is the voice of the Indiana Pacers.

728
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: He worked alongside Slick Leonard, of course, which means that

729
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure a tough day for Mark Boyle, but he's

730
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: going to join us to reflect on celebrate Nancy Leonard.

731
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: He's going to do it next. What I want to

732
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: revisit what I mentioned off the top of the show,

733
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Speaker 1: and that is that if you look right now at

734
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, Indianapolis Sports, Colt's getting set at three to

735
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: zero to take on the Rams in Los Angeles on Sunday.

736
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: The Fever, as we just talked about, now tied at

737
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: a game apiece in the WNBA Playoffs with Vegas. The

738
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: the overall, you know, the NCAA is getting set to

739
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: have its basketball championships at each level Division one, Division two,

740
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, each division here in Indianapolis coming up in March,

741
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: and so much of the foundation of this town. And

742
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: I know that we talk about the significance of the

743
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: Speedway and the Colts, and you know, obviously the Pacers,

744
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: and when you look at the Pacers aspect of it,

745
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: the from a professional standpoint, this is a city that

746
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: in the early to mid eighties made a very strong

747
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: decision to center itself around sports and first be the

748
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: amateur sports capital of the world, and then transition itself

749
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: into the building of the Convention Center and the expansion

750
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: into the Hoosier Dome and trying to recruit the NFL

751
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: to come here. It is my opinion, I'm not saying fact,

752
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: but it is my opinion that none of those things

753
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: get the footing and get the launch that they did

754
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: without the already existing Indiana Pacers and Association in basketball

755
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: with the top league in the NBA. And while yes,

756
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: we talk about the telethon and the fact that they

757
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: needed to sell eight thousand tickets, and Nancy Leonard was

758
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: such the spearhead behind that and the one that basically

759
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: went in after they had been thirty six and forty

760
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: six in their first year in the NBA, And it

761
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: was Nancy Leonard that went in and said, look, we've

762
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: got to change some things around here. We've got to

763
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: become we've got to get down to the brass tacks

764
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: and slick Leonard was such an important aspect in figure

765
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: and character to some extent within this town. But it

766
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: was Nancy Leonard that was behind him driving so much

767
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: of that in giving him business acumen and belief and

768
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: and you know, being the spearhead for the vision that

769
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Speaker 1: this could not just be a successful NBA town, but

770
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: then as a result of that, become a successful, big

771
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: time sports town. And of course, Slick Leonard went beyond

772
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: being a coach. He went into broadcasting. He was the

773
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 1: broadcast partner of our next guest, who is the radio

774
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: voice of the Indiana Pacers, Mark Boyle, joining me on

775
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: the program. And Mark, I will bring you on with

776
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: the same thing that I had said to Bill Benner,

777
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: and that is that I do offer condolences because it

778
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: would be my assumption that Nancy Leonard was someone who

779
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: was very on a personal level special and close to you.

780
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: But I also appreciate your time today in being able

781
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: to reflect upon and champion her.

782
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 6: I appreciate that. And having heard your comments before I

783
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 6: came on, I will say this. You don't need me

784
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 6: to be your guest. You've already said it perfectly. Downtown

785
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 6: would not be again, in my opinion, would not be

786
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 6: what it is. Would the Colts be here? Maybe yes?

787
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 6: Maybe know when I'm here for the eighty eight eighty

788
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 6: nine season, there was a big giant hole in the

789
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 6: ground where the mall is now downtown was dead. One

790
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 6: of the differences. And this is just a microcosm back

791
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 6: in the day when I came into the NBA. The

792
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 6: guys that came in from the other teams in Indianapolis

793
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 6: really now they look forward to coming. There's stuff to do,

794
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 6: there's interesting venues, be at restaurants, be at bars, be

795
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 6: it whatever you like. And it's one of the more

796
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 6: particularly for a town this size, it's one of the

797
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 6: more vibrant towns in the entire league. Guys like coming

798
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 6: here now. And I would never be even with my

799
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 6: own bias, I would never be so bold as to

800
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 6: say that's because of Slick and Nancy, but there's certainly

801
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 6: key figures in that whole transition.

802
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: Well, and I want to go back to in Bill

803
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: and I talked about this mark, but I think you

804
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: would be You could offer a very unique perspective here,

805
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: almost perhaps one that is isolated to just you. And

806
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: that is in terms of from the business aspect of it.

807
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: In seeing you know Slick as the broadcaster and as

808
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: the your partner for so many years on the radio,

809
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: the significance of Nancy Leonard being behind him as a

810
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: stabilizing but also driving force into each area and aspect

811
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: with which he ventured in his professional career. I would

812
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: hope that people are aware of that, but I don't

813
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: think that we can overstate her impact on Slick and

814
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: the way that he admired, looked up to, and loved her.

815
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: And I was hoping that you could expand upon that.

816
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 6: Well. It is technically accurate to say that Nancy was

817
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 6: Slick's wife and then Slick was Nancy's husband, both true statements,

818
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 6: but only to scratch the service of the entire equation.

819
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 6: They were partners in where Slick was not necessarily strong

820
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 6: Nancy was. To say that she was the driving force

821
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 6: behind Slick, I think would be a little bit not

822
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 6: insulting and be a little bit too dismissive of Slick.

823
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 6: He was a strong person on his own and a

824
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 6: vibrant personality and a big factor in what he did

825
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 6: and the people he influenced. But there's no question Nancy

826
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 6: was his partner, his equal, and they were a great team.

827
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 6: They were together for over sixty years and they were

828
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 6: such a perfect fit. Two great people who welcomed everybody

829
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 6: into their orbit, and they didn't have to, but they did.

830
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 6: They cared not just about each other and their family,

831
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 6: and not just about the Pacers either. They cared about

832
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 6: the city, they cared about the state, and they were

833
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 6: influentd in so many ways. I don't know that you

834
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 6: could actually quantify the difference they made or even make

835
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 6: an all encompassing statement, but I think on a general level,

836
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 6: it's safe to say that they were a great partnership

837
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 6: and two really wonderful people whose impact will never ever

838
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 6: be forgotten.

839
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: Of course, that partnership began, as I mentioned earlier in

840
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty, in the fall of nineteen fifty at Indiana University,

841
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: when Bob Leonard as he was known then obviously the

842
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: promising basketball star from Terre Haute, and then Nancy being

843
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: from South Bend, and they met in I believe it

844
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: was a health class when they began dating, and then

845
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: the relationship, as Mark ha just mentioned, went on for

846
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, sixty years beyond that the aspect, Mark, and

847
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: I guess the unique factor of Nancy and I know

848
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: that this was before your time here, but Nancy Leonard

849
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: being a basketball executive in the early NBA years, in

850
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: particular for the Pacers from nineteen seventy six to nineteen

851
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: eighty by definition the assistant general manager. But you know,

852
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: being there and involved in it, there had to be

853
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: a strength there, did there not, just based on the

854
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: fact that it was not necessarily at that time common

855
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: to see a woman in an executive role. But yet,

856
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: while well I was not around, it is my understanding

857
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: that she had instant respect from those that worked around her.

858
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: Is that also your understanding?

859
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 6: It's my understanding. But like you, I wasn't here then,

860
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 6: but I ansay this. She was in the front office

861
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 6: of a professional basketball team at a time when the

862
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 6: only women around professionals were in the stands. Right now

863
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 6: we have women in the front office, we have women coaching,

864
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 6: as it should have been forever. But progress is slow.

865
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 6: But she was a pioneer, and I can't even begin

866
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 6: to imagine how difficult it must have been to be

867
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 6: the only woman. First of all, men I think probably

868
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 6: looked down on her, which made her job more difficult.

869
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 6: And that was in the days of sports. NBA included

870
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 6: their corporations. Now we have several hundred people, for example,

871
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 6: looking for the pacers. But back in those days, the

872
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 6: front office was three or four people and they had.

873
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 5: To do everything.

874
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 6: Now there wasn't some of the influence that we have now.

875
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 6: There was no digit marketing was essentially non existent. It

876
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 6: was just trying to get sponsors and ticket holders. That

877
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 6: doesn't diminish what she did, especially as the first female

878
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 6: she assumed such a position. But there's one example of

879
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 6: the influence that she had and that Slick had, because

880
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 6: Slick was the one that put her into the front office.

881
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 6: And it's I guess it's stuck there from the public perception,

882
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 6: but it's so much more significant and so deeper than

883
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 6: that that it's you know, we could talk about it

884
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 6: for hours and still only scratch the surface.

885
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: Mark. In terms of Nancy Leonard, Mark Boyles, my guest,

886
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: the radio play by play voice of course at the

887
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers, Nancy Leonard, the news coming this morning from

888
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: the Leonard family that she passed away at the age

889
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: of ninety three. In terms of this, you know, this

890
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: past spring and summer and the run that the Pacers had,

891
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: and you know, it was special to see Miles Turner

892
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: go down and immediately hug Nancy Leonard when they won

893
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference and Tyrese Haliburton today paying tribute on

894
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: social media and posting a video of him embracing her

895
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: as well.

896
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: What was the.

897
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: Actual, I guess, timeline of how when a player would

898
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: come to Indiana, how it would come to be that

899
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: they would become aware of Nancy Leonard. Was it just

900
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: the fact that she was at every game and it's

901
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: kind of inevitable that you understand who that is or

902
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: was she introduced to different players as they came along.

903
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: Are you aware of perhaps just how those relationships formed.

904
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 6: Well, they were formed differently over the court time. Now,

905
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 6: when I came, Slick was doing television and then he

906
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 6: started doing radio with me.

907
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 5: The point is, though, that he.

908
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 6: Was around all time, he traveled with us. He got

909
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 6: to know the players who considered him.

910
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 5: As a father or a grandfather, and at.

911
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 6: Various events they meet nance It's different now Slick is passed.

912
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 6: We have players on this team whenever met Slick, and

913
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised if we have players on the

914
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 6: team who don't know who Nancy is. That's just generational.

915
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 6: But the way it started was Slick was far more

916
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 6: intimately involved as a broadcaster, and he knew everybody, all

917
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 6: the players, all the coaches. I still smile when I

918
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 6: think about some of the cards on the plane where

919
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 6: he'd be the oldest guy there, and he was like

920
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 6: taking their money like they were ATMs and chucked Paul

921
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 6: Socket and he took their money. But they still loved him.

922
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 6: He was just that kind of guy. He warm and

923
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 6: welcome to everyone, and Nancy the same, although on a

924
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 6: lower profile level as far as the.

925
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 5: Players are concerned.

926
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 6: But you saw it with Tyrese and Miles, if to

927
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 6: use an example, in the playoffs, the current roster of

928
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 6: guys that did know her obviously accepted her as part

929
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 6: of a family, and that's something when she's in their

930
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 6: nineties and they're in their twenties.

931
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: By the way, it was card games on an airplane.

932
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: How Slick got his name right.

933
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 6: Yes, and there's a bit of a misnomer about that.

934
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 6: My impression is the common wisdom is that the nickname

935
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 6: Slick was even to him by hot Rod Huntley, who

936
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 6: was his roommate with the Lakers and then went on

937
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 6: to be a broadcaster for the Lakers and the Jazz.

938
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 6: But Slick told me that that name was given to

939
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 6: him by George Micen. I think he was the coach

940
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 6: of the Lakers at the time when Slick was playing

941
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,959
Speaker 6: and they weren't a card game, and according to Slick,

942
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 6: George said, man, you're just too slick for me, and

943
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 6: it stuck. So I'll bet you there's a whole bunch

944
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 6: of people that when we say Bobby Leonard, they don't

945
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 6: even know who that is.

946
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, o're right, yeah, correct? And you know you

947
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: are correct, Mark, in the fact that the variation or

948
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: the alternate version of that story is that he was

949
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: playing a card game and that hot Rod Huntley was

950
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: the one that warned somebody like, hey, don't don't don't

951
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: get too playing too far with that guy because he's

952
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: too slick, you know. So I but listen, you'd have

953
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: to go with if Slick says it's Mike and then

954
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: it's mikeen right, I mean, that's the version you got

955
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: to go with. If that Slicks variation of it, right.

956
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 6: If Slick said God gave him the nickname, I'm buying that.

957
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 6: What tells me something that.

958
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: It fair enough? Right? So Mark Boyle is our guest.

959
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: We're talking about Nancy Leonard and her impact on not

960
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, the Pacers obviously, and and Mark, you began

961
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: doing radio with Slick in what year?

962
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 6: Well, I worked with Clarik Kellogg my first year, and

963
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 6: then I worked solo for seven years that they would

964
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 6: always give me a guy in the playoffs.

965
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 5: So I had Billy Keller, I.

966
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 6: Had George McGinnis, I had Ceasting, I had Slick one time,

967
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 6: and then the first time the Pacers made a playoff

968
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 6: run was ninety three ninety four. Slick was my guy.

969
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 6: I'd worked solo the whole season. He was my playoff guy,

970
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 6: and the Pacers made a long run and they decided

971
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 6: they liked Sounded, and then he was my guy. Although

972
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 6: at the end he mostly either did it remotely or

973
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 6: just home games as his health started to sail. But

974
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 6: we were together in some way shape of for almost

975
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 6: thirty years.

976
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: And during that time. In those thirty years, you know,

977
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: obviously Nancy Leonard was coming to the games and was

978
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, for the better part of assuming that her

979
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: health would be good. She was ubiquitous down at games beforehand,

980
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: and those sorts of things. What did your personal relationship become,

981
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: not just with Slick but also with Nancy as well,

982
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: because you mentioned you know, they were partners. How did

983
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: they I guess impact you.

984
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 6: Well, this isn't the whole story. But I'll give you

985
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 6: a story that illustrates the relationship.

986
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 5: When I came here.

987
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 6: I've been here for thirty seven years. But when I

988
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 6: came here and I was working my way to this

989
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 6: point in my career, I had seven jobs my first

990
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 6: nine years. Now each one was better, But I was

991
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 6: very trancy, so I signed on for two years. I

992
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 6: figured I'd stay and then move on to something else.

993
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 6: And from the day I met Slick, you always used

994
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 6: to tell me you got to own the ground and

995
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 6: you live on. Well, I'm not building a house here.

996
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 6: After seven or eight years, I decided maybe i'd be

997
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 6: here for a while, so I decided to build a house.

998
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 6: Nancy was my real estate agent. Their son Tommy built

999
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 6: my house. So that's an illustration of how far I

1000
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 6: go back with the lesson. And by the way, Nancy

1001
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 6: was the greatest real estate agent ever because she was

1002
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 6: like a tiger. If you went into the cage with

1003
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 6: her and you were properly armed, you were going to

1004
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 6: get eaten. She was your advocate, you were I didn't

1005
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 6: even need attention. She just handled everything.

1006
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 5: That's how she was. She was.

1007
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 6: The termis she was smart. She thought of all the angles.

1008
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 6: She was just a really fantastic person. And beyond that,

1009
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 6: she was smart, she was intuitive. I can't even think

1010
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 6: of enough positive terms to stick next to her name,

1011
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 6: because she is just magnificent.

1012
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: Well, and she marked in that what you mentioned.

1013
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 5: You know.

1014
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: I know that when when Slick Leonard, for example, began

1015
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: working for HERF Jones and they were living in Kokomo,

1016
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: she was I think working at the local high school,

1017
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: you know. But in addition to that, she really helped

1018
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: him out. And again to your point, I don't want

1019
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: to undersell Slick Leonard's intellect by any stretch of the imagination.

1020
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: You don't, you know, run an organization from a coaching

1021
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: standpoint and win the number of games he did by

1022
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: being a dummy. I mean, obviously the guy was a

1023
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: smart guy, but from the business intuitive nature of this

1024
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: is how things need to be done. Maybe she wasn't

1025
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: the one that strong armed him in that regard, but

1026
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: certainly was there to assist him in that regard. Fair statement.

1027
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not there for those conversations. That seems

1028
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 6: fair to me. And I know that he held her

1029
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 6: advice and counsel in the highest possible esteem. So I'm

1030
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 6: certain even though I wasn't there for those conversations. I'm

1031
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 6: quite certain that you're onto.

1032
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: Something mark when you you know, the summertime oftentime in

1033
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: the off season, and this year the off season was

1034
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: much shorter than in years past for the obvious reasons.

1035
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: But you have always found different ways to fill the time,

1036
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: whether it be going in broadcasting minor league baseball, whether

1037
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: it be walking around the state raising money. You have

1038
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: spent your time this offseason doing exactly.

1039
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 6: What, going to bed at night and hoping I wake

1040
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 6: up in the morning.

1041
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: That's I've quoted the years. I guess right, that's listen, listen.

1042
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: That seems like lofty goals each day, right.

1043
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 6: You get the loftier they are.

1044
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean. And here's the other thing. What

1045
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: better reward each morning than to know you you succeeded

1046
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: another day? Right?

1047
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 6: Well, I've been really blessed with genetics and such so

1048
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 6: that I literally but almost never get sick. Now I'm

1049
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 6: at the age and this happened to me this summer.

1050
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 6: I got shingles, and at first, but like three days

1051
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 6: in it said, okay, this is it. I'm glad, I

1052
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 6: have I will written I'm dying.

1053
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: I listen I've heard, and I'm not trying to make

1054
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: light of it. I when I turned fifty, you know,

1055
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: they're like, you got to get the shingles. It's a

1056
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: two shot vaccine, and the second one was I mean,

1057
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: it was pretty brutal. And then people said to me

1058
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: that have had shingles, well, listen, that's better than the alternative.

1059
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: Because I hear it's grueling, it's brutal.

1060
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 6: I can't really compare it because I've had it time

1061
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 6: and I don't know how extreme it gets, but it's

1062
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 6: not pleasant. I can tell you that. And I will

1063
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 6: tell you this. You're on a good piece of land there.

1064
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 6: Because I had chicken pox as a kid. I got

1065
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 6: those vaccinations. And when I went in, when I realized

1066
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 6: I had to go to my doctor, he said, I'm

1067
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 6: surprised only three percent of the people and your circumstances

1068
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 6: get it. I said, well, thanks, man, that doesn't really

1069
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 6: help me Outdore.

1070
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: Listen, there is no reason for you to buy a

1071
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: powerball ticket ever again, because you just spent all your odds.

1072
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 4: Right.

1073
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so is the at least for me.

1074
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 6: I still feel great, I still have my health, and

1075
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 6: I'm there's no day where I don't feel fortunate a

1076
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 6: for that and be to have this job and see

1077
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 6: for the people I work with and all of the

1078
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 6: other things that are associated with that. But the reality

1079
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 6: is this. I used to joke when I was a kid,

1080
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Speaker 6: not a child, but in my twenties, I've always been Jake.

1081
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 6: I've always been so forgetful, and I always joke with

1082
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Speaker 6: my friends. Man, if I ever dementia, I'm not even

1083
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 6: gonna know. Well, now, when I forget something, it's, oh

1084
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 6: my god, Dementia's fine.

1085
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: Here, listen, it's I's You've never said anything in your

1086
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: radio career that is more relatable to me than that, right,

1087
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: it is. Every day it's oh my gosh, you know.

1088
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing with me, Mark, I think

1089
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: that I'm cursed by it because everyone has told me

1090
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: my entire life what a phenomenal memory I have, and

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01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, shut up, don't chinse it right?

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01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I never had that phenomenal memory. It was

1093
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 6: good enough to get me where I needed to go.

1094
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 6: But if you talk to anybody I've traveled with, even

1095
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 6: back to my first years here, remember the time Mark

1096
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 6: left his keys in Chicago. Remember the time he forgot

1097
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:13,959
Speaker 6: that suit in New York.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 6: Well I always forget stuff and so that's standard operating

1100
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 6: procedure for me. But the point I'm making here is

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01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 6: the older you get, your perception is different, whereas I

1102
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 6: just blew it off and I was in my thirties. Yeah,

1103
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 6: I've been that way. Now I'm oh, I can see

1104
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 6: the finish line.

1105
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you overreact the other way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Mark, and then I wanted to ask you

1107
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Speaker 1: one more thing on Nancy. But you know, speaking of memory,

1108
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: it obviously was a memorable run for the Pacers, and

1109
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: now it comes at a season of intrigue because of

1110
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: the injury to Halliburton and because of you know, some

1111
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: different players that may be called upon to play in

1112
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: different roles with the Miles Turner departure, for example. How

1113
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: intrigued are you by the upcoming season, Erry, I.

1114
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 6: Don't see championship contention in the mix short term, although

1115
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 6: if things developed we hope they might this season when

1116
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 6: Haliburton comes back, assuming a complete recovery, then next season

1117
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 6: will be really intriguing. For now, I don't see any

1118
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 6: reason that this group of guys, particularly in a conference

1119
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 6: that isn't that good, can at least contend for a

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Speaker 6: playoff spot, and I think that would be positive. Given

1121
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 6: that you lost your player and one of the other tops,

1122
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 6: say three players decided to go somewhere else, that's a

1123
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 6: huge loss, and if you can overcome that by getting

1124
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 6: to the playoffs, I think that would be an excellent

1125
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:37,959
Speaker 6: season mark.

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Speaker 1: When I recall vividly when Slick Leonard passed, and I

1127
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: know you know what an incredible impact he had on you,

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Speaker 1: both personally and professionally, and I would assume the same

1129
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Speaker 1: is true of Nancy as you had talked about earlier.

1130
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Speaker 1: But I remember you leading off your broadcast with an

1131
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: incredible and articulate tribute to Slick and what he meant.

1132
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Speaker 1: I wanted to give you the opportunity to simply let

1133
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: our listeners know that may not have known of the impact,

1134
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: the importance, the significance of Nancy Leonard, not just on

1135
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: the Pacers franchise, but in this town from the vantage

1136
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: point in which you saw it. If you could just

1137
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: let people know exactly who or what Nancy Leonard was as.

1138
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 6: A person, well, I think we've already covered most of that,

1139
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 6: so to capitalize it, I would say her impact on

1140
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 6: our franchise on anyone that knew her on the city

1141
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 6: and state is immeasurable personally if you ever get to

1142
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 6: meet not one, but in my case two, and I'm

1143
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 6: not suggesting I haven't met other great people, but if

1144
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 6: you ever get to meet one person like Nancy Leonard

1145
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,959
Speaker 6: or one person like Slick Leonard, then consider yourself lucky.

1146
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: Mark. I appreciate the time, certainly. Help you feel better,

1147
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: by the way, if you have not been feeling better yet, right,

1148
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: just so you know, in three days I'll text you

1149
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: to make sure you remember coming on the radio. How's that?

1150
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 5: Who are you again?

1151
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: I get that a lot anyway, I appreciate it, Mark,

1152
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: Mark Boyle joining us the radio play by play voice

1153
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: of the Indiana Pacers. Still a lot to get to today,

1154
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: including Ralph Friefing to join us coming up in just

1155
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: about an hour, as we will take a look over

1156
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: some of the injuries around the NFL. And you know,

1157
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: he actually is somebody that was touched by the impact

1158
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: of Nancy Leonard's place within the Pacers as well, and

1159
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: we will get to that. But those injuries that we

1160
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: talked about again, Alec Pierce is in concussion protocol for

1161
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: the Colts that has a pretty standard fare in terms

1162
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: of the weight and see, and I think everybody understands

1163
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: that aspect of it, but Kenny Moore as well. Now

1164
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: we know that the calf injury is perhaps the Colts

1165
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: looking at the possibility that it's more than and the

1166
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say more significant than a calf injury,

1167
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: but could be one that has to be more delicate,

1168
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about the achilles. Shane Stikeen had mentioned

1169
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: that earlier today that once they really started to look

1170
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: at the injury of Kenny Moore, that they believe that

1171
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: the achilles is something that may be where things are

1172
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: and so that again we don't know the severity of that.

1173
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: They said they have not begun discussing ir which is

1174
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: good news because he is clearly a very important part

1175
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: of their defense and in addition to that plays a position.

1176
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: Does Kenny Moore that you know, it's kind of everywhere, right,

1177
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: but that nickel spot is one that they may not

1178
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: have the same level of depth that you see elsewhere.

1179
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: But there are other injuries around the NFL that have

1180
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Speaker 1: local impact. You know, Tyrone Tracy of course, the local

1181
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: Purdue product and Eddie's old classmate from Decatur Central with

1182
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: a dislocated shoulder. How long would he be out? There

1183
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: are a lot of Ceedee Lamb who from a fantasy

1184
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: football standpoint, would have impact on a lot of people.

1185
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: We can discuss a lot of those things with Ralph

1186
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: Reef and we plan on doing exactly that just about

1187
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: an hour from now. But when we come back. He

1188
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: is one of the more dynamic figures in terms of

1189
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: football around Indiana and his team in action this weekend

1190
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: talking about Ted Carris and Marion and we will talk

1191
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: to him next. Big one on the near west Side.

1192
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: I guess you'd call it the near west side, the

1193
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: west side, whichever. We're gonna look at it over at

1194
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: Marion this weekend. I'm talking about Saturday at one five

1195
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: the Marrion Knights and Indiana Wesleyan number nineteen Marion and

1196
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: number five Indiana Wesleyan and joining us now to talk

1197
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: about that and more. He is the head coach of

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Speaker 1: the Knights who are coming off of a bye week. Now, Eddie,

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01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but for me, whenever like

1200
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: you're coming off of, I'm not gonna say vacation. That's

1201
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: the wrong way of saying it, but it takes a

1202
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: second to get back into the swing of things, right Eddie.

1203
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 8: Sometimes, Jake, you never know, you could change things up

1204
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 8: during the bye week, work on some stuff, figured things

1205
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 8: out you're struggling on, and have an extra week to

1206
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 8: prepare for a talent in Indiana Wesleyan team.

1207
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: Well, we'll find out exactly as Mary and I hate

1208
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: to say this, coach Ted Carris, but you know, the

1209
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: your nights of Indiana Wesley's had your number of late.

1210
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: You're coming off the buy. Let's begin with that. You're

1211
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: two and one. What sort of things did you kind

1212
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: of emphasize getting set for this one coming up on

1213
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 1: Saturday to your guys.

1214
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 10: Well, like Atty said, you know, we worked on some

1215
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 10: things we need to work on. We practiced for three

1216
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 10: days last week. Coach tuts he called them that a

1217
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 10: bye week of win week. You know, I think we

1218
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,839
Speaker 10: got some really good work done, got the team picture

1219
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 10: and as well they did have the weekend off. We

1220
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 10: had a really good practice yesterday and we're looking to

1221
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 10: stack another one today. So you know, like you said,

1222
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 10: you know, we practiced on some things we need to

1223
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 10: work on and started preparing for a very talented Indiana

1224
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 10: Wesley and from.

1225
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 9: I can do the coach speak too.

1226
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: I like that. I definitely, I think coach, you're coming

1227
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: off of and I know that you obviously you know

1228
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: the vibe. But in terms of your last outing, big

1229
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: time offensive explosion against Defiance, what did you see and

1230
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: look you put up. Your offense played well against Lawrence

1231
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: Tech as well, So what have you seen? Let's begin

1232
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: with the offensive side of the football that you have

1233
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: liked or the areas that you've been able to capitalize well.

1234
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 10: I like the way the play of our offensive line

1235
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 10: credit Dan Smith, our o line.

1236
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 5: Coach.

1237
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 10: I think we're running the ball really effectively. You mentioned Defiance.

1238
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 10: You know, we didn't have Keaton LeBell that game, but

1239
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 10: we had other guys that stepped up.

1240
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 9: CJ.

1241
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,799
Speaker 5: Harris for Boff Product, you know, ripped off.

1242
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 10: A touchdown, Avery Garlock, Todd Hickman, Elijah Price out of

1243
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 10: Ben Davis. So we're deep in the running back room.

1244
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 10: So offensively, I think we're running the football really good.

1245
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 10: I think that's that's some things that we have to,

1246
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 10: you know, hang our head on this hip this year.

1247
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: Do you like where you are defensively?

1248
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, so far, so good.

1249
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 5: You know, we've I think we've improved defensively big time.

1250
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 10: You know, at the end of Week three of the

1251
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 10: college football season, we're leading the nation in sacks at eighteen.

1252
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 10: We didn't play last week, so we did to number two.

1253
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 10: I think guys are sounding our run fits. We're playing

1254
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 10: better pass defense.

1255
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: So yeah.

1256
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 10: But the biggest I think improvement has been on the

1257
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 10: d line.

1258
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 5: Credit coach decords two for that.

1259
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: Guys.

1260
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 10: We have some guys that have really done. Ozzie Pollard,

1261
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 10: freshman out of Carmel's come into and a heck of

1262
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 10: a job. You know, our captain, Dean Dean Petterford three

1263
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 10: point five sacks, and we have a lot of guys

1264
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 10: contributing on the d line.

1265
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 6: We played ten.

1266
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: You know, when I look at this matchup, and again

1267
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 1: when you're talking about Marion and Ted Carriss, by the way,

1268
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: their head football coach is our guest. When you look

1269
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,839
Speaker 1: at Marion football Indiana Wesley and it is a great rivalry,

1270
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, at least from the outside. That's how I

1271
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: see it. Coach, now, I don't know about it if

1272
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: you see it as a rivalry, but you're talking about

1273
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: a team that's in the top five. They like you

1274
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: have had games where offensively they have really put up

1275
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: some big numbers, but it looks like defensively there you

1276
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 1: do have the ability to score against them. What jumps

1277
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: out at you about Indiana Wesley and the areas that maybe,

1278
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,799
Speaker 1: to use a Rick Ventury term, is giving you ambient

1279
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: keeping you up at night.

1280
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 10: Well, I think some of their movements, some of their

1281
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 10: bliss packs just keep me up at night. You know,

1282
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 10: they're a season group defensively, but some things that could

1283
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 10: you know, neutralize those things as effectively running the football.

1284
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 6: And that's what I believe we.

1285
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 4: Have to do.

1286
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: Coach. When you look at your team, and let's go

1287
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: back to the last time we talked. You're getting ready

1288
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: to you know, kick things off against you Indy, and

1289
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 1: now three games in, then the bye and then this one.

1290
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: How are you different? And I know I've asked you

1291
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,919
Speaker 1: this before, but as a coach, do you find yourself

1292
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Speaker 1: looking at your team saying, you know, what, our identity

1293
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: is going to be different than what I thought at

1294
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year. Let me tweak or adjust

1295
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. Are you a different team than what

1296
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: you thought you were going to be at the beginning

1297
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: of the year.

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01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 10: I don't know necessary were a different team than what

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01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 10: I thought. But I mean we've played some different players,

1300
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 10: We've made some moves, different personnel groups, especially on the

1301
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 10: defensive line, which I think have helped.

1302
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 5: So I you know, I don't really I don't really

1303
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 5: go and and see what I think we're gonna be.

1304
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 10: You know, I live in a moment and what we

1305
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 10: are and what we are right now with a pretty solid,

1306
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 10: good defensive team, good team running the ball. We got

1307
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 10: to keep improving in the passing game.

1308
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,879
Speaker 1: When you talk about when you talk about the personnel

1309
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: changes you've made, who who has jumped out at you

1310
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 1: when you've looked at it and said, you know what,

1311
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: this guy really has stepped up for me.

1312
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 10: Ozzie Poward has to be number one. You know, coming

1313
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 10: into the freshman you know, had an injury his senior

1314
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 10: year at Carmel, but he's really come in and you

1315
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 10: know he you know, as a freshman on the D

1316
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 10: line that's not easy to do, and he's really done

1317
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 10: an excellent job. As well as Elijah Price out of

1318
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 10: Ben Davis, he's come in and filled in well. H

1319
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 10: He also he turns kicks for us. Those are two

1320
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:55,839
Speaker 10: guys that have really jumped.

1321
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 5: Out to me.

1322
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: That's what I love about it, the fact that you've

1323
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: got local guys. You know, it's an opportunity to great atmosphere.

1324
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: It's going to be a great atmosphere coming up again

1325
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: at the Ascension State Vincent Field over at one o'clock

1326
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: Marion on Saturday against Indiana Wesleyan and local guys, local players.

1327
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: Oftentimes those that went somewhere came back wanted to be

1328
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: closer to home, or in this case guys that came

1329
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: straight out of high school and are contributing for you, coach.

1330
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 1: I always enjoy the conversation. Certainly, I know it'll be

1331
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: a good atmosphere and tough team coming in, but we

1332
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: wished the best of lot coming up on Saturday.

1333
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 10: I appreciate you, Jake for having me on.

1334
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: Appreciate Ted ted kaas the head coach of the Nights.

1335
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: By the way, October ninth, back nine Golf outing for

1336
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: the basketball side of things with Pat Knight on October ninth.

1337
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: I will put that up on the expost Twitter as well.

1338
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: We've been talking about Nancy Leonard and the impact she

1339
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 1: had on the Pacers organization. One who would know that

1340
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: better than anyone. Kevin Pritchard, the team president, joins us next.

1341
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: I will begin by saying what I have been saying

1342
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: throughout the course of today, and that is that, as

1343
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: somebody who grew up in this town, I have such

1344
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 1: a pride for the teams in this city and in

1345
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: addition to that, the way that this city has embraced

1346
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: sports and really built its identity around sports. And it

1347
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: is my belief that perhaps the strongest pillar in all

1348
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: of that was Nancy Leonard. And without Nancy Leonard and

1349
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: her vision for the Pacers, her vision for being able

1350
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: to cement them within the NBA coming from the ABA,

1351
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 1: I don't know that you get expansion of the Convention

1352
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 1: Center and the building of the Hoosier Dome and eventually

1353
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: an NFL franchise and all of the things that we

1354
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: now enjoy. And it is a sad day, but the

1355
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: day that we celebrate Nancy Leonard here in Indianapolis and

1356
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: joining me now on the program, he is the president

1357
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: of basketball Operations for the Indiana Pacers. Kevin Pritchard joining us,

1358
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: Kevin on what I know is again a sad day,

1359
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,440
Speaker 1: but at the same time a celebratory day. I appreciate

1360
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: your time in being able to reflect on Nancy Leonard.

1361
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 5: Glad to be on Jake, and congratulations to you and

1362
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 5: your success. And you know, coming from Indianapolis and growing

1363
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 5: up in Lawrence and Noblesville, I remember going to a

1364
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 5: fifth grade basketball camp with the Pacers and meeting Nancy

1365
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 5: and Slick at that time, and they were just they

1366
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 5: were bigger than life. And you know, if you've met him,

1367
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 5: you'd think that you were their best friends. And you know,

1368
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 5: throughout my tenure, I've been very blessed to work with

1369
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 5: Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird and like the foundational piece

1370
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 5: that they're about is people first. And you know, I'm

1371
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 5: getting a little sad talking about it because it's such

1372
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 5: a blow to not just the Pacers organization, but what

1373
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 5: the Leonards and specifically Nancy has done for this community.

1374
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 5: It can't be measured, you just statistically, can you hear me?

1375
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sorry about that, Go ahead, Kevin.

1376
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 6: She just she just was a.

1377
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 5: Pillar of this community. And the one thing you knew

1378
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 5: about Nancy is there's nothing more and she didn't have

1379
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 5: any more pride than the Pacers, and it was because

1380
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,799
Speaker 5: she was the original. She was the og general manager.

1381
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 5: And you know, we hired Kelly Cross Golf as one

1382
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 5: of the you know, top females in the business a

1383
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 5: few years ago to be an executive for the Pacers,

1384
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 5: but the original was Nancy. And it's a really, really

1385
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 5: sad day. I'm proud on one thing, and that is,

1386
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 5: you know, she came to some playoff games this year

1387
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 5: and I would see her after a big home win

1388
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 5: and it just you could tell there was just this

1389
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 5: amount of pride that can't be described in words. And

1390
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 5: I wish we could have won a championship because today

1391
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 5: I could have said that she would have won a championship,

1392
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 5: you know, another championship for the organization. So it's a

1393
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 5: tough loss. It's a really tough loss.

1394
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: You know, Kevin, I was thinking about this in life

1395
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: in general, and no matter what realm or relationship you

1396
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: have with people, oftentimes you know you look back, whether

1397
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: it be they're passing or you know, you go to

1398
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: another job, whatever it may be, there are always times

1399
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: where you look back and you think I should have

1400
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 1: said this, or I wish I'd done that.

1401
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 5: You know.

1402
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: That kind of a thing for you personally and for

1403
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: the organization. What is the element of pride or can

1404
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: you speak to it in knowing that you are right?

1405
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a half away from a title,

1406
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: I get that, but yet it was such an incredible

1407
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: run of joy in Euphoria and this town that cemented

1408
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: again relationship between this town and that organization and professional

1409
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: basketball in the Indiana Pacers and Nancy Leonard being able

1410
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 1: to hug Myles Turner, to hug Tyree's Halliburton, to soak

1411
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: in and see the fruits of her labor before her

1412
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: almost feels like it was this town's way of saying

1413
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: thank you, job well done. What does it mean for

1414
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: you to know that you were somebody who helped facilitate

1415
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: that and be able to have her enjoy that?

1416
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you this that I do remember

1417
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 5: hugging her after some playoff games, and you know, you see,

1418
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 5: you can just you know, you can see when somebody's

1419
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 5: all in right, Like there's people that are fans, are

1420
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 5: people that come to the games. But she was the

1421
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 5: queen of the Pacers, and you know, you always, you

1422
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 5: always felt her presence, no matter whether she was at

1423
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 5: the game or not. She would always walk by the

1424
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 5: management room and say hello. And you know, I remember

1425
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 5: many times seeing her, you know, throughout the community at

1426
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 5: a golf event or or you know, any any out

1427
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 5: to dinner, and I was keavy, you know, I wasn't

1428
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 5: you know, mister Pritchard or anything like that. I was

1429
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 5: heavy to her. And you know, they had a great

1430
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 5: feel of making you feel like you were part of

1431
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 5: their family. And I think I think that trickles down

1432
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 5: today to the Pacers. And you know, again, I'm not

1433
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 5: sure you could measure that. That'smeasurable in terms of influence

1434
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 5: and love and caring. And it wasn't a team, it

1435
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 5: wasn't an organization. It was a family to her. And

1436
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 5: you know, as I'm reflecting back, I hope in some

1437
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 5: ways that I can do that and make people around

1438
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 5: us and in the organization and our fan base know that, yeah,

1439
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 5: we want to win as much, but we do this together.

1440
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 5: We win together, and we lose together. And I think

1441
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 5: that's what I felt, because during tough times she was

1442
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 5: the same way as she was during a championship run.

1443
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 5: So I think that's the one thing that I will

1444
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 5: remember about her is no matter what, I was part

1445
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 5: of her.

1446
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: Family, Kevin. When you look back, Kevin Pritchard is our

1447
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: guest from the Pacers. We're remembering Nancy Leonard today. The partnership,

1448
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, as I've talked about with others today

1449
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,799
Speaker 1: goes without saying the incredible bond of love between Nancy

1450
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: and Slick Leonard. And you know you could see that immediately.

1451
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: But also, you know, going back to the telethon the

1452
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,839
Speaker 1: partnership that the two of them had, and her ability,

1453
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: her business acumen, her vision for the franchise, all of

1454
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: those things. Did you witness firsthand or can you illuminate

1455
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,560
Speaker 1: us on something you might have seen in terms of

1456
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 1: the influence on a day to day that she had

1457
01:21:58,840 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 1: on Slick Leonard?

1458
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,839
Speaker 5: Well, I think you know, how do I say this politely?

1459
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 5: Flick had a lot of passion, and sometimes when you

1460
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 5: have that passion, sometimes you need to have someone right

1461
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 5: next to your side saying it's going to be okay,

1462
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 5: We're going to figure this out. And the other thing

1463
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 5: I would tell you about Nancy is, you know, I

1464
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 5: just there was no way she was going to accept no.

1465
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 5: I mean, she she had a way of, you know,

1466
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 5: being influential in a very positive way. But the last

1467
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 5: thing I ever felt like I could do is theay

1468
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 5: no to her, and she did it in a way

1469
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 5: that was her own way, with her own words and

1470
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 5: her own feel and her own touch, and that's a

1471
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 5: special touch. But her and Slick were you know, I

1472
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 5: don't know if you could talk about Slick without talking

1473
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 5: about Nancy. It's just they were the Leonards. They were

1474
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 5: the king and Queen of the Pacers, and you know

1475
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,520
Speaker 5: that's that's immeasurable.

1476
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 1: Again, had you not grown up here, Kevin and been

1477
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: around at what you did, I mean obviously as you

1478
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 1: mentioned at the outset, but if you had come here

1479
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 1: from an organization where you didn't have ties to Indiana

1480
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: other than taking the job here, would you have immediately

1481
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: known of the impact of the Leonards. Was it the

1482
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: kind of thing that's introduced to people when they come

1483
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: here or do you just kind of see it from

1484
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: the immediacy?

1485
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 5: No, I think you know, any any official events, whether

1486
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 5: it's a banquet or a meeting, or you know where

1487
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 5: they were involved, you knew the Leonards like you know,

1488
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 5: I lived here until I was twelve or thirteen, and

1489
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 5: then I moved away, and then I came back and

1490
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:51,560
Speaker 5: immediately the first thing I do is, you know, communicate

1491
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 5: with the Leonards and touch base with those would both

1492
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 5: slick in Nancy, but I always just felt like they

1493
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 5: were they were my family, and they may be part

1494
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 5: of the family whether I was, you know, five thousand

1495
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,799
Speaker 5: miles away or a mile away. They just they embodied

1496
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 5: what the Pacers are today and what they were back then.

1497
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:18,560
Speaker 5: And I remember specifically the telethon, and you know, I

1498
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 5: was a really young boy when that happened, but you know,

1499
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 5: I grew up knowing who who the Pacers were, who

1500
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 5: was the face of the franchise for many years and

1501
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 5: still are.

1502
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: You know, Chris texted in a listener Kevin and pointed

1503
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: this out. I thought it was a fabulous idea. If

1504
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: Nancy Leonard's name goes up in the rafters, which you know, Tyre's.

1505
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: Haliburton even mentioned that he'd love to see it. I

1506
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: realized that that's above both of us for that matter,

1507
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 1: but in terms of those decisions. But each person that's

1508
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: in the rafters, excluding mel Simon and Jim Morris, you know,

1509
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: there's a number attached to them in some way, and

1510
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: slicks case, it's the number of career wins. I think

1511
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: it should say Nancy Leonard eighty twenty eight, because that's

1512
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: the number of season tickets that were needed from the telethon,

1513
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: and that's the number. She was so joyous in being

1514
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: able to announce that essentially, quote unquote save the Pacers. Now,

1515
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,560
Speaker 1: I give that a thumbs up, idea your thoughts.

1516
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 5: I completely agree thumbs up. And I wasn't aware of

1517
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 5: that exactly, remember, but god, that back then. You know,

1518
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 5: it seems like a low number today, but when you

1519
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 5: were growing up, that was monumental and just saved the Pacers.

1520
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 5: And like you said earlier heard in the segment, you know,

1521
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 5: the Pacers led to the Convention Center and the Colts

1522
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 5: and then you know it just it's snowballed into this

1523
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 5: incredible sports town. And whether you go anywhere in the

1524
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 5: United States, the first thing people say, well, Indianapolis is

1525
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 5: an incredible sportstown. And I think we all from Indiana.

1526
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 5: We take a lot of times.

1527
01:25:58,720 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 6: You know.

1528
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 5: I remember back when the NCAA tournament was going to

1529
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 5: be canceled and Indianapolis popped up and said, hey, we

1530
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 5: will host all these basketball games for the NCAA tournament.

1531
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 5: And then everybody was like, holy cow, what an incredible

1532
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 5: job Indianapolis did. And you think about that that doesn't

1533
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 5: happen if the Pacers aren't here, and if that, if

1534
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 5: the Pacers are here, and again how that transcended into

1535
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 5: other things. There'd be no way the NCAAA is here.

1536
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 5: There'd be no way that tournament could have gotten played

1537
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 5: in Indianapolis. So it was a snowball effect and I

1538
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 5: think it still grows. And for me, as a steward

1539
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 5: of a team in this town, alls we want to

1540
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 5: do is keep it going and keeping Indianapolis great, an

1541
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 5: amazing place where sports not only as important, it's part

1542
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 5: of our culture. So I hope in some way that

1543
01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:00,919
Speaker 5: we can be good stewards of that helmet that she created.

1544
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: Lastly, Kevin, when it comes to Nancy Leonard, I'm curious

1545
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: of this when you come in and you know you're

1546
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 1: in that position and you are the president of basketball

1547
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: operations and you have a woman sitting there near you

1548
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: at the games that was one of the original, the

1549
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: original as you mentioned, you know, pioneer executives of the franchise.

1550
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: Did she carry with her a confidence or exude any

1551
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:33,959
Speaker 1: sort of a belief of her knowing her own standing

1552
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: or was there an elegance about it where you just

1553
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: kind of knew it and she didn't have to say it.

1554
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 11: Oh.

1555
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 5: I think that's a difficult question because she had an

1556
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 5: amazing elegance. I just I just think that the Leonard's

1557
01:27:53,720 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 5: presence was always felt. And you know, you could and

1558
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 5: remove the Pacers and the Leonards. It just it goes

1559
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 5: in the same sentence. It's attached and it's it's meaningful.

1560
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 5: But when when when I would hug her, it wasn't like,

1561
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 5: oh hi, you know, a little side hugged. When you

1562
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 5: hugged Flick and Nancy, it was an embrace and it

1563
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 5: was meaningful. And they just had a way of touching everybody,

1564
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 5: you know, like again calling me Kevy, and you know

1565
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 5: they did that with a lot of people. But for

1566
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 5: some reason, it just made you feel like you were home.

1567
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 5: And that's irreplaceable. You don't feel the fill those shoes ever.

1568
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: Kevin, obviously, you know on this program the season is

1569
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 1: getting ready to get underway. There was a transaction that

1570
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,719
Speaker 1: took place yesterday that was announced in adding a point

1571
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: guard in Money Morris. There are a lot of things

1572
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: in that aspect. I could ask you about it. Probably

1573
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 1: in the eyes of many would be remissive me to

1574
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: not do so. However, when I asked you to come

1575
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 1: on the program today, it was under the guys of

1576
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: being able to talk about and reflect upon and celebrate

1577
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: the life of Nancy Leonard. And I think in the

1578
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 1: integrity of that, I keep it to that and certainly

1579
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,719
Speaker 1: would welcome it back on another time from a basketball standpoint,

1580
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 1: but I appreciate the perspectives today.

1581
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 5: Yep. Glad to do it and keep up the great work.

1582
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: Jay, appreciate it. Kevin Pritcher joining us, the president of

1583
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,719
Speaker 1: basketball Operations for the Indiana Pacers, as we celebrate today

1584
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,639
Speaker 1: the life of Nancy Leonard at the age of ninety

1585
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 1: three years old. All right, we have more to get to.

1586
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 1: Mark Bonteeth is one that is a historian not only

1587
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: of sports and Indiana, but the Pacers in general. He

1588
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: will join us on the other side, and I'll let

1589
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: you hear a little bit more from Nancy Leonard as

1590
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 1: we did earlier in terms of that connection we talked

1591
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: about with Slick Leonard. We'll do it on the other side.

1592
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: Here you're listening to Quarrying Company on the fan Woes

1593
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, and today, as I mentioned earlier that Typic,

1594
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,839
Speaker 1: we are starting to look towards what the Colts have upcoming.

1595
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 1: They're going to be obviously in Los Angeles against the

1596
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: Rams on Sunday. Kenny Moore, if you are just joining

1597
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: us and have not heard, they are now looking at

1598
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: what was thought to be a calf injury as possibly

1599
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: an achilles for Kenny Moore, but they are not discussing

1600
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: I are as of now, Alec Pierce still in the

1601
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 1: concussion protocol, the fever last night on the very short

1602
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 1: end against the Las Vegas Aces, that series now tied

1603
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: at one game a piece. And it is interesting and

1604
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: fitting that we would talk about the Colts and the

1605
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: Rams coming up on Sunday. And let me explain why.

1606
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: Those are two organizations that have had female owners at

1607
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: the helm in the Rams case Georgia Frontier of course

1608
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 1: before they moved back to Los Angeles, and in the

1609
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: Colts case now all three of Jim Mersey's daughters as

1610
01:30:56,120 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 1: the owners and of course the CEO being Carlier Gordon

1611
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: as the CEO and co owner of the Indianapolis Colts

1612
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 1: and those two organizations. Also when Bob Ursay purchased initially

1613
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams, he made an ownership change with

1614
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 1: Carol Rosenbloom to then get the Baltimore Colts, and Bob

1615
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Ursay moved the Baltimore Colts from Baltimore to Indianapolis in

1616
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, and he did so because it was

1617
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: a city that was on the precipice of becoming a

1618
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 1: big time sports town, and that was initially footprinted by

1619
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: something that happened in nineteen fifty. In nineteen fifty, what

1620
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 1: happened is a basketball player who had been a very

1621
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 1: good player in Terre Hate was in his freshman year

1622
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 1: at Indiana University. He was an all basketball guy that

1623
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have a lot of experience in terms of

1624
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: asking out girls and going on dates. But he saw

1625
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 1: a girl that caught his eye in his health class,

1626
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: and he did what any shy guy would do. He

1627
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: stuck out his foot and tried to trip or as

1628
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: she walked past, which forced her to have to kind

1629
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 1: of look at him. And that is how Bobby later

1630
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: known as Slick Leonard of Terre Haute met Nancy later

1631
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: known as Nancy Leonard, his wife from South Bend, and

1632
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 1: their relationship initially was an awkward or naive Slick Leonard

1633
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 1: asking her out on a date, But as Nancy Leonard

1634
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:30,799
Speaker 1: told everyone at the tribute to Slick Leonard upon his passing,

1635
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 1: it was a relationship and later a partnership from a

1636
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 1: business standpoint and a family standpoint that took hold on

1637
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: that moment and became strong for a very long time.

1638
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 2: Naive person when we met. It really was true that

1639
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 2: he had not dated in high school, and a lot

1640
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 2: of that was because of the economic conditions.

1641
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 3: The clothes and things weren't there.

1642
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 2: And I had a really hard time even that because

1643
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 2: I had, you know, one boyfriend after the other. His

1644
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:09,719
Speaker 2: idea of asking somebody to go with him. After two days,

1645
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 2: he looked at me and he said, well will you

1646
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 2: And I said, well, what do you mean? And he said,

1647
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 2: well will you go with me? And I said, oh, yeah, okay,

1648
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 2: and don't have anything better to do. But I knew

1649
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 2: I was in real trouble the third date when he

1650
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 2: started talking about getting married, and I mean, I was

1651
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,720
Speaker 2: really in a panic. But it was the right thing,

1652
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 2: and I really sincerely think that God put us together.

1653
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 3: I was nerdy.

1654
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 2: I just studied all the time. We go to the

1655
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 2: library and he pretend like he was studying.

1656
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 3: Of course, he wasn't anyway. We got through four years

1657
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 3: at IU and.

1658
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:58,839
Speaker 2: The lucky number was fifteen and got married on the fifteenth,

1659
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 2: which was a Tuesday.

1660
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 1: June fifteenth of nineteen fifty four, specifically on the Indiana

1661
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: campuses where they would marry. And Nancy Leonard was more

1662
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 1: than just the wife of Slick Leonard. She was an executive,

1663
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: She was a business mind. She was oftentimes the business

1664
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 1: person behind Slick Leonard as he worked at herf Jones

1665
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 1: before he got back into coaching, when they were living

1666
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: in Kokomo, and then of course when Slickland became the

1667
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,919
Speaker 1: head coach of the Pacers and they made the transition

1668
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 1: from ABA into NBA, it was Nancy Leonard that was

1669
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 1: the assistant general manager at that time. But they were

1670
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 1: ten games under five hundred in that first year in

1671
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 1: the NBA thirty six and forty six, and Nancy Leonard

1672
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: is the one that said, guys, we've got to get

1673
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 1: this in order here, We've got to pick up the

1674
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,520
Speaker 1: pace here if we want to survive as an NBA franchise.

1675
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 1: And while Slick Leonard was the face of the franchise

1676
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: at that time, publicly speaking, it was Nancy that was

1677
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, often in terms of the business actualities

1678
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,719
Speaker 1: of the Indiana Pacers. Here is Slick Leonard talking about

1679
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 1: the impact of Nancy Leonard in that transition from ABA

1680
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 1: to NBA and the fledgling financials of that era.

1681
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 4: At that particular time, merger time ABA NBA, we were

1682
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 4: in a financial situation where you know, they weren't going

1683
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 4: to be able to pay a bunch of money out.

1684
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 4: So Nancy and I we stepped forward and I said,

1685
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 4: I'll coach the ball club and Nancy can take all

1686
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,839
Speaker 4: the front office and all the dealings with the NBA

1687
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 4: and everything. And she became very popular with the people

1688
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 4: in the NBA. As a matter of fact, the one guy.

1689
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 6: That hated me really liked Nancy, and that was our box.

1690
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 6: That funny.

1691
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,600
Speaker 4: She was the first general manager, and then at a

1692
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 4: later time she became vice president of the whole operation

1693
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 4: and general manager. So yeah, she was the first. She

1694
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 4: was the first woman. They did a wonderful job. And

1695
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:08,759
Speaker 4: I say that because the ball club.

1696
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 5: Was on the bridge, on the brink.

1697
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 4: We were totally out of money.

1698
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:16,839
Speaker 1: And of course that led to the telethon of nineteen

1699
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: seventy seven. After that first season of the NBA. It

1700
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 1: was Nancy Leonard that essentially got together with the management

1701
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: at WTTV Channel four at that time, on July the

1702
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 1: third of nineteen seventy seven, beginning at ten o'clock at night,

1703
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 1: the telethon to try to raise the money that was

1704
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 1: necessary and symbolically, certainly at the very least the number

1705
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: of season tickets they needed to sell eight thousand season

1706
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: tickets in order to break financially even to the point

1707
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 1: where they could get into and maintain and continue their

1708
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: existence in the NBA. And it was during the telethon

1709
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 1: when a jubulant and almost incredulous Nancy Leonard reported to

1710
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 1: Slick Leonard that yes, in fact, the magic number had

1711
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:08,759
Speaker 1: been hit that would allow the Pacers franchise to remain

1712
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 1: as an NBA franchise in Indianapolis in nineteen seventy seven.

1713
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 1: And as we talk to you today and we talk

1714
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: about the Colts and the Rams, and we talk about

1715
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 1: the fever, and we talk about the Indianapolis Indians, and

1716
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: we talk about the NCAA headquarters and putting on the

1717
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:29,719
Speaker 1: basketball championships for multiple divisions in Indianapolis upcoming this spring,

1718
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,560
Speaker 1: all of that, all of it is because of the

1719
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: initial vision and the pillars in this town in terms

1720
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: of the sports executives, and Nancy Leonard was the giant

1721
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,799
Speaker 1: among all of them. Joining me now on the program

1722
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: somebody who knew Nancy Well, who knew Slickwell, who was

1723
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:52,719
Speaker 1: a historian not only of Indianapolis, but obviously a published

1724
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: author in the history of the Indiana Pacers as well.

1725
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 1: His website is Markmonteeth dot com. Mark joins me on

1726
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 1: the show. Mark, Good afternoon. How are you good, Jake,

1727
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:02,600
Speaker 1: Good to be with you.

1728
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 10: Hey.

1729
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:06,600
Speaker 1: I want to begin with this, and you know, the

1730
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: things that I was just talking about. I wanted to

1731
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 1: kind of lay that for you to take off with.

1732
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: And that is I think that we know about the

1733
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 1: colorful caricature of Slick Leonard, and we know about the

1734
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 1: the ABA Championships, and you know, just the wild and crazy,

1735
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,839
Speaker 1: good old fun days, if you will, of the Pacers.

1736
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:29,600
Speaker 1: But I know that people know of the impact that

1737
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 1: Nancy Leonard had. But I don't think we can overstate it.

1738
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: Can you illuminate for listeners just how centralized and important

1739
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 1: a figure she was?

1740
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:43,759
Speaker 12: Yeah, I would say on both a professional and personal level,

1741
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 12: the support and the backbone that she provided for, first

1742
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,600
Speaker 12: of all, Slick in their family and then the Pacers

1743
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 12: was absolutely essential. I used to have jokingly say, hey,

1744
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 12: Slick would have died a long time ago if it

1745
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 12: wasn't for Nancy. Really, I think that's true, because she

1746
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 12: kept him organized and under control, as well as anybody

1747
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 12: to keep Slick under control, and just kept him going,

1748
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 12: you know, providing support. Slick once told me that he

1749
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 12: never wrote a check in his life, you know, he never.

1750
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 12: He didn't know how to work his phone. Really, he

1751
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 12: didn't know how to work computers. He didn't know how

1752
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 12: to balance books or anything. He was the front man,

1753
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 12: you know, when he worked for her Jones selling those

1754
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 12: graduation supplies. He made the calls. She was the personality.

1755
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 12: Nancy ran the business back home. She was a business

1756
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,560
Speaker 12: teacher at Cocomona Taylor High School. When Slick became the

1757
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 12: pater coach, she was the one capable of doing that

1758
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 12: kind of thing. And then later when he's the coach

1759
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 12: and GM of the Pacers, she's the one running the

1760
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 12: front office like a twelve man group of people who

1761
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 12: worked like crazy to keep the doors open. And she

1762
01:39:51,920 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 12: was very bold and decisive and demanding, and I kept

1763
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 12: the franchise going behind the scenes when he was out

1764
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 12: there coaching and making trades. And some people believe she

1765
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 12: had a hand in some of the personnel moves too,

1766
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 12: and I wouldn't be surprised by that. She kind of

1767
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 12: denied it, but I really think she occasionally had an

1768
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 12: opinion that was followed on certain personnel matters. So a

1769
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:23,360
Speaker 12: very strong personality, but a very nice, generous person. At

1770
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,639
Speaker 12: the same time. I was with her once and she'd

1771
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 12: had a glass or to a wine and she said,

1772
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 12: I wish I were a nicer person, and I kind

1773
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 12: of laughed at her. I think you're plenty nice. But

1774
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:35,400
Speaker 12: I know what she meant, because she could be very

1775
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 12: stern as well. You did not want to cross her,

1776
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 12: you know, you didn't want her to get mad at

1777
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 12: she But at the same time, she was a very generous,

1778
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 12: good hearted person and that certainly came through day to day.

1779
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 1: You know, Mark, it's interesting. There were so many people

1780
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 1: in the life. And I want to go back to

1781
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 1: something I said earlier, and I said this to Bill

1782
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 1: Benner off the top of the show, Mark, and I'll

1783
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 1: say it to you as well. I on a personal

1784
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,759
Speaker 1: or selfish level, which maybe I'm guilty of too often.

1785
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 1: But you know, for me, it would be disingenuous to

1786
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:13,120
Speaker 1: say that I was around in this capacity when Nancy

1787
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 1: Leonard and Slick Leonard were, you know, at their apex.

1788
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:18,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I did not know them in those days,

1789
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 1: nor did I know either of them well anything other

1790
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 1: than professional. And for that reason, it is with the

1791
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 1: utmost gratitude that I have the access to ask Bill

1792
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 1: Benner or yourself or others. And I'm not saying that

1793
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 1: because you say that you're older than high. I don't

1794
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 1: mean it that way. But you have covered it from

1795
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 1: so many different areas and angles, and so I wanted

1796
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 1: you to expand upon your understanding or what you saw

1797
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 1: firsthand in terms of her ability. Nancy Leonard's to be

1798
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,719
Speaker 1: somebody who, as I understand it, was one that Slick

1799
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:55,679
Speaker 1: Leonard and there probably were not a lot of people

1800
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 1: that Slick Leonard would defer to, but theoretically she was

1801
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 1: one of them. Did you witness that firsthand?

1802
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, no question, no question.

1803
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:10,799
Speaker 12: I wrote about her an Slick at length various stops

1804
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 12: along the way, and I did a one on one

1805
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 12: episode with Nancy as well in their living room one time.

1806
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 12: So did see a lot of things firsthand. I could

1807
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,679
Speaker 12: tell you one time I was sitting in the living

1808
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:27,600
Speaker 12: room interviewing both and Slick admitted that he was a

1809
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 12: little afraid of her. I know, you and Bill talked

1810
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 12: about this a little bit earlier, and Nancy kind of

1811
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 12: laughed at that, and the Stick also got a little

1812
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 12: choked up just talking about what she meant to him.

1813
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 12: But she ran the show at home, no questions about it.

1814
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 12: I could tell you another time, Stick and I went

1815
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 12: down to Louisville to play golf with Ralph Beard, who

1816
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 12: was a three time All American, the Kentucky and member

1817
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 12: of the Indianapolis Olympians, and that he and Stick were

1818
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 12: in the army together, so they were friends, and I

1819
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 12: kind of got them reunited, and Stick and I went

1820
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 12: to a riverboat casino after we played golf, but Spick

1821
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 12: was afraid to tell Nancy what he was doing, so

1822
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,599
Speaker 12: he said, yeah, we went to dinner, and I ran

1823
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 12: into Tom Jerry. She's the athletic director at Louisville at

1824
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 12: the times that, you know, so we hung around. So

1825
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 12: we're just getting back down, you know. But he was

1826
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 12: afraid to tell her that he'd gone gabbling after we

1827
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 12: played golf, you know, and that shows you're really kind

1828
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 12: of the respect he had for her and her ability

1829
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 12: to kind of keep him in line because he didn't

1830
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 12: want to get her mad at him, you know, And

1831
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 12: I'm sure there were plenty of times she did get

1832
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 12: mad at him, you know, but Slick needed that because,

1833
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 12: you know, he was just a guy from the opposite

1834
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,720
Speaker 12: side of the tracks that Nancy was from. She grew

1835
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 12: up in an our middle class family in South Bend.

1836
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 12: Her dad had a construction company. Slick grew up poor

1837
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 12: in Terra Haute, and you know, they never would have

1838
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 12: hooked up in the normal situation. But I know the

1839
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 12: story you have told it already, how they met and

1840
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:57,679
Speaker 12: health class the freshman year at IU and stick wonder

1841
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:00,760
Speaker 12: over with his persistence in naivity. And she was a

1842
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 12: big sports fan, so the fact that he was on

1843
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 12: the basketball team really meant a lot to her, and

1844
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 12: that was part of his appeal as well. So in fact,

1845
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 12: when I won the national championship in nineteen fifty three,

1846
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 12: they came back to Bloomington and there's a parade there

1847
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 12: around the town square in Bloombeten and flicks in a

1848
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 12: convertible and Nancy hopped in the car with him. You know,

1849
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 12: she's riding around in the parade with him. And she

1850
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 12: was in the parade the pacer parades for winning ABA

1851
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 12: championships with him as well at times. So she was

1852
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:32,680
Speaker 12: always part of the organization. People knew of her, but

1853
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 12: they didn't really have an idea of how important she

1854
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 12: was to the operation of the franchise and just too

1855
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:41,480
Speaker 12: slicks existence.

1856
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 1: Mark, you grew up in this town. Mark Monteeth, is

1857
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,880
Speaker 1: my guest. You grew up in this town, you know,

1858
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 1: on the on the west side. You're a graduate of

1859
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:51,600
Speaker 1: Pike High School, so you were like in Bill and

1860
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 1: I talked about this earlier for those that are listening,

1861
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 1: and I don't mean to belabor the point, but I

1862
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:00,160
Speaker 1: think on a day like today, it's an import and

1863
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 1: want to recognize, and that is that we love the

1864
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 1: luxury in this town. You love the luxury being able

1865
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 1: to cover sports and write about it and run a

1866
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:10,560
Speaker 1: website and do interviews. And I love being able to

1867
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 1: do a sports talk radio show and talk about the

1868
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: Colts and Rams and the Fever and the Indians and

1869
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:19,680
Speaker 1: the NCAA here in town. And you know, the the

1870
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 1: eleven and the igniting, all the different things that go on.

1871
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 1: In your opinion, Mark, without Nancy and Slick Leonard, and

1872
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 1: without that telethon in nineteen seventy seven, I'm not here

1873
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: to say that all of a sudden we're Doomsday and

1874
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 1: we instantly become fort Wayne overnight. But it's not as

1875
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 1: far fetched as people would think. Would you agree with.

1876
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:42,960
Speaker 12: That, Yeah, I would.

1877
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 1: I would.

1878
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 12: I mean, the Pacers Survival has done so much for

1879
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:52,639
Speaker 12: the city, and certainly you could argue that without sticking Nancy,

1880
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:54,560
Speaker 12: they wouldn't be here today. I think it's about a

1881
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:57,519
Speaker 12: dozen people you can point to and say without that person,

1882
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 12: the Pacers would not exist. Certainly Alvin Herbert Simon would

1883
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:03,679
Speaker 12: fall into that category. I think the group that doesn't

1884
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:07,759
Speaker 12: get enough respect are the original investors in nineteen sixty

1885
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 12: seven and eight who kicked in twenty thirds thirty thousand

1886
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 12: dollars apiece just to keep the doors open. That includes

1887
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 12: some people in.

1888
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 5: Lafayette as well.

1889
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 12: The PACER's first president was Joe Bannon, president at Lafayette Bank.

1890
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:23,920
Speaker 12: You had these people who sought no glory and didn't

1891
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:26,840
Speaker 12: really expect to make any money, kicking in money just

1892
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 12: to get the franchise started, you know, so you have

1893
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:31,720
Speaker 12: people like that Yugosaathe had not made that trade for

1894
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 12: mel Daniel in nineteen sixty eight, that they never would

1895
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 12: have been above a five hundred team and never would

1896
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 12: have survived. You know, there's a lot of people you

1897
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 12: can point to, but certainly Slick and Nancy are absolutely

1898
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:48,240
Speaker 12: essential to the existence of the franchise today. And really,

1899
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 12: you know that telethon that people talk about so much.

1900
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:53,800
Speaker 12: You know, Sick and Nancy were in Hawaii and there

1901
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 12: was like a postseason All Star game and they were

1902
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:59,599
Speaker 12: scouting and taking the vacation and word came back from

1903
01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:03,360
Speaker 12: the absentee owner they had Sam Nascy. The work came

1904
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 12: back that hey, if we don't raise a certain amount

1905
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 12: of money or get a guarantee of season ticket sales,

1906
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 12: we're going to be sold. So they came back and

1907
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,759
Speaker 12: Nancy had a week to ten days to put together

1908
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 12: a telethon, which is something that usually takes about a

1909
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 12: year to organize, but she got it done in about

1910
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:23,799
Speaker 12: a week to ten days. The Convincement Center donated space,

1911
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:28,280
Speaker 12: RB's donated food. The telethone was aired on three of

1912
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,479
Speaker 12: the four local TV channels. I mean the whole city

1913
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 12: combined to kick in and contributed to somehow people came

1914
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:37,639
Speaker 12: in over at three in the morning and played guitar

1915
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,839
Speaker 12: or whatever to have something to look at, you know, overnight,

1916
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 12: because the thing aired for nearly twenty four hours. It

1917
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 12: was on three and four in the morning. And she's

1918
01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 12: the one who was able to organize that in such

1919
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 12: a short amount of time. And then the story of

1920
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 12: how she became the assistant GM.

1921
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:55,640
Speaker 5: You know, she wasn't the GM, but.

1922
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 12: She was the assistant GM who ran the front office.

1923
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,240
Speaker 12: And she told me that, you know, there was a

1924
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:03,599
Speaker 12: meeting with the owners. This is in nineteen seventy six

1925
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,839
Speaker 12: when the pacers are entering the NBA from the ABA,

1926
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:11,639
Speaker 12: and again there's a man who kicked in three point

1927
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,719
Speaker 12: two million dollars to meet the fee enter the NBA.

1928
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:17,679
Speaker 12: But they're at a meeting with the owners and they're

1929
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 12: talking about, well, who's going to run the front office?

1930
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 12: Now you know, Splick will be the GM, but who

1931
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 12: we got to run the front office? And they seem

1932
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:27,639
Speaker 12: to be intimidated by it. And Andy said, look, guys,

1933
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 12: there's a league and they have a set of rules,

1934
01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 12: and you just follow those rules and guidelines. And do

1935
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 12: whatever you're supposed to do. It's not that hard, and

1936
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 12: somebody who wants you do it. And she claims that

1937
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 12: she had not even thought about that, and Slick said, well,

1938
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:46,519
Speaker 12: she could do it, and lo and behold, she became

1939
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:49,760
Speaker 12: the assistant GM of the Pacers that day in such

1940
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 12: a haphazard way, and she was accepted. You know, I

1941
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:57,800
Speaker 12: don't think I don't know of any occasions where people

1942
01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 12: were saying, oh, this is crazy to have a woman

1943
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 12: running the front office.

1944
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Speaker 5: What's that all about.

1945
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 12: She told the story of how Bob Collins, the sports

1946
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 12: editor of the Star, called her up and went her

1947
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:11,560
Speaker 12: to meet her for lunch, and she was worried that,

1948
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:13,640
Speaker 12: oh man, he's probably gonna rip me. He's going to

1949
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:15,760
Speaker 12: tell me that I have no business doing this job.

1950
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 12: And in fact, when they met, Colin said, look, you're

1951
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:21,320
Speaker 12: going to do great, and if anybody gives you a

1952
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:23,599
Speaker 12: hard time, you send them my way. I'll take care

1953
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 12: of it, that kind of thing. So she got a

1954
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:28,600
Speaker 12: lot of support and it all worked out. You know,

1955
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 12: she had that twelve person staff back in the late

1956
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 12: seventies when the Pacers weren't any good, and kept that

1957
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:41,120
Speaker 12: thing going and you know, and then she every game

1958
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 12: that Flick was at, she was at, you know, and

1959
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 12: she I other than Slick. She has attended more Pacer

1960
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 12: home games than anybody ever alive, because she was always

1961
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 12: there in whatever capacity she was serving, even if it

1962
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 12: was just as a fan.

1963
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 1: Mark, when you look back in talking to players, talking

1964
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 1: to people around it, Mark Monteeth is my guest. We're

1965
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 1: talking about Nancy Leonard, who passes away at the age

1966
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:08,879
Speaker 1: of ninety three. When you from the recollection, the interviews

1967
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 1: you've done, the people you've talked to, what was the

1968
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:17,639
Speaker 1: relationship that Nancy Leonard had with players in that time

1969
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:19,639
Speaker 1: and I on even necessarily mean those that were playing

1970
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 1: for Slick, but rather like as they were transitioning into

1971
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:25,840
Speaker 1: the NBA for example, or both in that crossover. In

1972
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:30,439
Speaker 1: terms of how players received having a female executive that

1973
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:31,759
Speaker 1: was there and was around.

1974
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that.

1975
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,920
Speaker 12: When she was the assistant GM, I think they all

1976
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:40,240
Speaker 12: accepted her and respected her because again, she was very

1977
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 12: authoritative and very decisive. Darnell Hillman told me the story

1978
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:48,200
Speaker 12: that when the NBA or wasn't the NBA, CBS had

1979
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:51,599
Speaker 12: an NBA Slam Dunk contest. You know, we know Darnell

1980
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 12: was the winner of the first NBA Slam Dunk contest,

1981
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:58,440
Speaker 12: not put on by the league but by CBS Television,

1982
01:50:58,720 --> 01:50:59,720
Speaker 12: completely different.

1983
01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 5: Format what they have today.

1984
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,679
Speaker 12: And Darnell tells the story they were warming up before

1985
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 12: practice one day and Nancy came down to the floor

1986
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 12: and say, look, guys, there's going to be a slam

1987
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:12,160
Speaker 12: dunk contest on CBS. It's going to work like this,

1988
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:15,560
Speaker 12: YadA yah YadA, and Darnell, you'll represent the Pacers. It

1989
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 12: wasn't like, hey, you guys figured out, or let's have

1990
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 12: a team competition to see who wins and represents the Pacers.

1991
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 12: Darnell tough, and she was gone. You know, she made

1992
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 12: that decision and no time at all and went on.

1993
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 12: So I think the players respected that authority, and they

1994
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 12: knew that Slick respected her and again was a little

1995
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 12: afraid of her. So for that reason, you know, they

1996
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 12: respected her as well. And then later years, when you

1997
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 12: know Slick's a broadcaster, you know she would be at

1998
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:47,080
Speaker 12: the golf outings and other events.

1999
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 1: And she was like a mom.

2000
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 12: You know, I've got a picture of my phone of

2001
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 12: her hugging Lance Stevenson, and you know we've all seen

2002
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 12: pictures of her with guys like Miles Turner and Hadlerburton

2003
01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:59,360
Speaker 12: and all through the year. I got a picture of

2004
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:01,479
Speaker 12: my phone of her with Darnell Hillman and Billy Kelder.

2005
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 12: I mean, she was that grandmotherly or motherly figure who

2006
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 12: everybody enjoyed being around. And again they respected her, but

2007
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 12: it was in a different way because she wasn't their

2008
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:14,720
Speaker 12: boss at that time, But she was just somebody who

2009
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:19,360
Speaker 12: obviously liked people and cared about the franchise and cared

2010
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:19,800
Speaker 12: about them.

2011
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 1: Mark one other thing before I let you go. That's

2012
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,080
Speaker 1: interesting about that when you talk about the Darnell Hillman

2013
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:28,240
Speaker 1: will represent the Pacers in the Dunk Contest, it led

2014
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 1: to one of the great shirts of all time because

2015
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 1: by the time it came around, he wasn't a Pacer, right.

2016
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, the bottle Shop. Darnell had been traded late

2017
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 12: that season to New Jersey and he really wasn't yet

2018
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 12: under contract with either team, I believe so from remembering this, right,

2019
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 12: he knew he was going to be with New Jersey,

2020
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 12: but he hadn't signed this deal yet or whatever, and

2021
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 12: so he was kind of free. So he had played

2022
01:52:56,240 --> 01:52:59,040
Speaker 12: on a softball team in the summer sponsored by the

2023
01:52:59,120 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 12: Bottle Shop, which still exists today on North College around

2024
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 12: what fifty fourth forty nine?

2025
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 5: There you go.

2026
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 12: Yeah, my buddy Tom Bovas owns it now. And so

2027
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:14,280
Speaker 12: Darnell wore a Bottle Shop shirt as his warm up

2028
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 12: He didn't dunk in it, but he wore it as

2029
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:18,760
Speaker 12: his warm up shirt. And yeah, we have sold and

2030
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:20,560
Speaker 12: you came by to buy one. I know, we have

2031
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 12: sold Bottle Shop shirts that are exact replicas of the

2032
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 12: softball jersey that they wore then. And you can go

2033
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:32,600
Speaker 12: on YouTube and search for I guess it'd be like

2034
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 12: nineteen seventy seven NBA Slam Dunk or just put in

2035
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,679
Speaker 12: Darnell Hillman's name and you can see him being interviewed

2036
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 12: by Don Kricky after winning the Slam Dunk competition out

2037
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 12: in Portland in that Bottle Shop shirt.

2038
01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 5: So it's a pretty cool thing.

2039
01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 12: It's awes Yeah, And Nancy is the one who made

2040
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 12: sure Darnell was representing the Pacers because nobody knew better

2041
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 12: than her he was a dunker.

2042
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:56,400
Speaker 1: And when it comes to talking the history of the Pacers,

2043
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:58,679
Speaker 1: there are others that may be on par but nobody

2044
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 1: knows more certainly than Mark Monteeth on short notice. Mark,

2045
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:06,000
Speaker 1: I always appreciate your willingness to come on, hop on

2046
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 1: and certainly shed perspectives far beyond my capability, and so

2047
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 1: therefore it's greatly appreciated.

2048
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:15,360
Speaker 12: But I appreciate the opportunity, Jake, Thank you.

2049
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 1: Mark Monteeth joining us on the program. We come back.

2050
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:20,120
Speaker 1: There are plenty of injuries to talk about, including the

2051
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:23,000
Speaker 1: latest on Kenny Moore and a guy that knows a

2052
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:26,839
Speaker 1: little bit about those specific injuries. I don't mean specific

2053
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:30,120
Speaker 1: to the player, but how exactly you come back from those,

2054
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:34,240
Speaker 1: including Kenny Moore and calf or Achilles. Ralphrief will join

2055
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 1: us next. What Ralph Reef worked underneath David Craig, who

2056
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:46,160
Speaker 1: is one that of course was close with both Bob

2057
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:50,280
Speaker 1: and Nancy Leonard. We can get into that as well,

2058
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:54,640
Speaker 1: and of course Ralph Reef with Reef Executive Performance Solutions

2059
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 1: a long time noted. I would go so far as

2060
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:03,000
Speaker 1: to say the most note where the athletic trainer within

2061
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 1: the area joining us on the program, because there are injuries.

2062
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 1: There are always injuries in the NFL. I guess actually,

2063
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 1: Ralph when it comes to just sports training in general

2064
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 1: and high level sports. You're in the right business right

2065
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 1: because you never want to see players get injured. Don't

2066
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:21,080
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but I mean it is a natural

2067
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:26,120
Speaker 1: product of what takes place within high, high level competition sports.

2068
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Good to.

2069
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 5: Have you on well, thank you, Jake.

2070
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:34,720
Speaker 11: And yes, injuries managing the body through an NFL season

2071
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 11: or NBA or Major League Baseball, but specific to the NFL.

2072
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:41,560
Speaker 11: You know, I often knock on wood.

2073
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:45,200
Speaker 12: The Colts had a very short injury list a couple

2074
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 12: of weeks ago, and I think there was one day

2075
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 12: where everybody on the rocker.

2076
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:49,839
Speaker 3: Was at practice.

2077
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:56,960
Speaker 11: But I know how much work goes into those players

2078
01:55:57,040 --> 01:56:00,000
Speaker 11: to get them on the field for practice and manage

2079
01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 11: their bodies and so forth. It's a heavy load on

2080
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 11: those the healthcare teams, and you try to keep them

2081
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:13,840
Speaker 11: out of the coaches interviews. But yes, significant injuries occur.

2082
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 1: Okay, let's begin with Kenny Moore. And again I want

2083
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:21,000
Speaker 1: to be clear everybody for in the case with Ralph,

2084
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate his expertise and his understanding and being able

2085
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:27,360
Speaker 1: to talk to you know, someone like me who flunked

2086
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:30,480
Speaker 1: algebra seven times to speak medically, But these are not

2087
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 1: specific to these players. In other words, Ralph is not

2088
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:36,640
Speaker 1: the treating trainer for these players. We're speaking in generality

2089
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 1: of injuries in general. For example, Kenny Moore, which initially

2090
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:44,720
Speaker 1: they thought was a calf strain, and now Shane Steichen

2091
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 1: said they're actually going to look at the achilles and

2092
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:50,000
Speaker 1: see if perhaps the injury for Kenny Moore is not there.

2093
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 1: I guess my first question Ralph would be, is it

2094
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:56,160
Speaker 1: common that the symptoms would be similar from one injury

2095
01:56:56,200 --> 01:56:59,120
Speaker 1: to the other, which would cause for you know, initially

2096
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:01,440
Speaker 1: thinking it's one and then finding out, oh gosh, this

2097
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:02,920
Speaker 1: might be the achilles instead.

2098
01:57:04,120 --> 01:57:09,240
Speaker 12: Well, it's what it tells me is that the injury

2099
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 12: that took Kenny down to the field on Sunday and

2100
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:18,240
Speaker 12: had to be assisted off and so forth occurred sort

2101
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:22,240
Speaker 12: of mid lower legs. So somewhere in that junction between

2102
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 12: the Achilles tendon and the calf muffles is probably where

2103
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 12: his initial injury occurred, where he was telling the medical staff,

2104
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:39,000
Speaker 12: and then as got into diagnostics sweaters MRI high high

2105
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:42,839
Speaker 12: resolution imaging, they realized that the portion of the Achilles

2106
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 12: tendon was involved in that injury. So this is a

2107
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:51,080
Speaker 12: sort of middle of the lower leg versus something like

2108
01:57:51,200 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 12: kyer Reese Haliburton had, which was down near the heel

2109
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:57,440
Speaker 12: where you're just dealing with the cord of.

2110
01:57:57,440 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 11: The Achilles tendon. This injury appears, from what they're presenting

2111
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 11: in the media, is happened up in the muscle muscle area.

2112
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:10,240
Speaker 1: Ralph, I'm going to show my ignorance here. Is it

2113
01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:13,600
Speaker 1: true to say that, like if the calf is Indiana,

2114
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 1: the achilles is Kentucky. In other words, are these two

2115
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:17,760
Speaker 1: muscles that border one another directly?

2116
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:18,880
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2117
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:23,280
Speaker 12: Absolutely, So the calf muscle there are two of them,

2118
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:30,720
Speaker 12: and the plantariffs, and then there's the muscular that you

2119
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:33,440
Speaker 12: can feel when you grab the back of your lower leg,

2120
01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:34,760
Speaker 12: the big calf muscles.

2121
01:58:35,200 --> 01:58:38,360
Speaker 11: Those are attached to the body by the Achilles tendon.

2122
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:41,920
Speaker 11: So it's Achilles tendon that keeps those muscles in place.

2123
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:47,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Now the another question I had on this injury

2124
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 1: with Kenny Moore and Ralph, I'm giving you full permission

2125
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 1: to tell me that this is the dumbest question that's

2126
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,440
Speaker 1: ever been asked of you, Okay, or to you, I

2127
01:58:56,480 --> 01:59:00,720
Speaker 1: should say, when you're talking about the achille for example,

2128
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:03,160
Speaker 1: and I know this wasn't the case of how Kenny Moore,

2129
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 1: to use that specific example, was injured per se. We

2130
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:09,280
Speaker 1: don't you know, who knows exactly what the moment was

2131
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:14,280
Speaker 1: of an injury. But when you are working with athletes

2132
01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:16,960
Speaker 1: and you're talking about the achilles or a calf strain,

2133
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:20,320
Speaker 1: either one of them in any way, shape or form,

2134
01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:24,720
Speaker 1: is it different or more susceptible an injury at or

2135
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 1: risk of complication of injury for a player like a

2136
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:31,760
Speaker 1: defensive back in the NFL that has to run predominantly

2137
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:35,120
Speaker 1: backwards as opposed to forwards. And feel free to tell

2138
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:37,120
Speaker 1: me that that's the dumbest thing you've ever been asked.

2139
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:42,480
Speaker 11: No, it's actually quite bright, Jake, because when you think

2140
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Speaker 11: about and everybody always tries after the fact of thinking

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Speaker 11: how did this thing happen? What predisposed this injury to

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Speaker 11: occur on this particular Sunday, this far into his career,

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Speaker 11: and so on and so forth. But there's two different

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Speaker 11: motions that really get into the movement of the foot

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Speaker 11: and ankle. And there's there's I'm going to speak in

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Speaker 11: terms of when you hit the accelerator that's called plant REFLEXI. Okay,

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Speaker 11: you're going to plant your foot, you push the accelerator

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Speaker 11: down in your vehicle, and that is the motion that

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Speaker 11: requires most of the effort to come from your calf

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Speaker 11: and your achilles tendon to do that. Door suflection is

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Speaker 11: when you lift your foot up and you take your

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Speaker 11: foot off the accelerator and hit the brake, all right,

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Speaker 11: And so door suflection is a is a smaller range

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Speaker 11: of motion, and so when you're backpedaling, you're actually doing

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Speaker 11: a little bit more door suflection than you are plant reflection.

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Speaker 11: And so, to answer your question or put it this perspective,

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Speaker 11: about ninety two percent of all sports achilles injuries occur

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Speaker 11: in plant reflection. So when you're pushing the accelerator, when

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Speaker 11: you're when you're changing direction and you're making that first

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Speaker 11: step of acceleration, that's when most of these injuries occur.

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Speaker 11: So being a defensive back does not predispose someone to

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Speaker 11: having more of a heightened occurrence of achilles or calf injuries.

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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef is our guest again. Reef Executive Performance Solutions

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Speaker 1: the company now and Ralphreef dot com is the website Ralph.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into it, I do want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about the loss of a sports pillar today.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to again get to a couple

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Speaker 1: of injuries as it relates to the NFL, Tyrone Tracy,

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Speaker 1: local product, decater Central and Purdue. A shoulder dislocation. The

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Speaker 1: typical prognosis for that, in terms of length of time

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Speaker 1: before somebody would be back at one hundred percent would be.

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Speaker 12: What, well, it can be pretty short two weeks to

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Speaker 12: depending upon the severity of the dislocation. Has he had

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Speaker 12: it before, did it truly fully dislocate or did it

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Speaker 12: just sort of partially dislocate, which is referred to as

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Speaker 12: a sublization, or it's less severe. And then with imaging

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Speaker 12: that they can look inside the joint, was there any

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Speaker 12: damage to the cartilage within the shoulder? And was there

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Speaker 12: any injury to the rotator cuff muscles that hold that

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Speaker 12: shoulder in place. So even if that's damaged a lot,

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Speaker 12: you know he's playing running back now, I believe you know,

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Speaker 12: you can put that in a brace and you can

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Speaker 12: be pretty functional pretty quickly.

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Speaker 5: So while he may not.

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Speaker 12: Heal and very few NFL players actually heal throughout the

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Speaker 12: course of the season, there are there are really good

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Speaker 12: methods to strengthen the tissue, the muscles, the big muscles

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Speaker 12: around the shoulder and and the bracing it's available today

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Speaker 12: could really shorten his time out unless there's something that

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Speaker 12: needs to really be attended to. From a severity issue,

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Speaker 12: he could have had maybe a small crack on the

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Speaker 12: head of the of the shoulder bone, the humorous all

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Speaker 12: of those things, but none of that's being reported.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Ceedee Lamb. And this is noted for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people from a fantasy football standpoint because he's a

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Speaker 1: dynamic receiver, no doubt. In Dallas he has a quad strain.

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Speaker 1: Now you know you hear quad spray like strain or tear?

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Speaker 1: Is there a difference between the two? What what kind

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Speaker 1: of timeline typically is a quad strain?

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Speaker 11: Well, now, Ceedee Lamb. I think he has a high

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Speaker 11: ankle sprain.

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Speaker 1: Is it high ankle sprain?

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Speaker 9: CD's got the high ankle tear Chlorin Sorry about that.

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Speaker 9: They can't really identify.

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Speaker 11: Well, back to this fantasy league, it's going to be

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Speaker 11: a while before he catches passes, and so what what

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Speaker 11: is for a while. So if it's in the true

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Speaker 11: definition of a high ankle sprain, you really have three

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Speaker 11: things that happen and you can see it in the

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Speaker 11: video very clearly. He gets landed on the outside of

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Speaker 11: his lower leg and it causes his inside of his ankle.

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Speaker 12: To take the brunt of the force. And so there's

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Speaker 12: a ligament there, really big ligament. Matter of fact, it's

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Speaker 12: the strongest ligament in the body, ligament old bone to bone,

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Speaker 12: the deltoid ligament. And that's been injured, all right. So

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Speaker 12: for to injure the deltoid ligament takes a lot of force.

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Speaker 12: The second part of a high ankle sprain is up

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Speaker 12: between the two bones of the lower leg, the tibia,

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Speaker 12: which is the main weight bearing bone of the lower leg,

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Speaker 12: and the fibula.

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Speaker 11: And between those two bones there's tissue that I refer

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Speaker 11: to a lot like it's like saran wrap, all right.

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Speaker 11: It doesn't have a lot of blood flow. It's just

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Speaker 11: connective tissue, fibrous that hold those two bones together throughout

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Speaker 11: the length of the lower leg. In a high ankle sprain.

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Speaker 11: The way it looked for him, that innerossius or that

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Speaker 11: that membrane more than likely was ripped. And and if

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Speaker 11: you're cringing right now, yeah, you should cringe, because it

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Speaker 11: literally just rips and then it has to scar and

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Speaker 11: heal on its own and then the other part. The

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Speaker 11: third part of that is there the muscle tissue up

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Speaker 11: the inside or the media side. The inside of that

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Speaker 11: lower leg gets stretched, and that's really minimal compared to

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Speaker 11: the other two. The deltoi ligament and that innerossius membering

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Speaker 11: that's really hard. It's really easy to run straight early,

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Speaker 11: but to decelerate, cut rotations, jump in the air, land,

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Speaker 11: take off again, that's a lengthy return.

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Speaker 1: Okay, quickly quad strain For Terry McLaurin, the kid out

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Speaker 1: of Cathedral who's now in Washington, obviously dynamic player, I'm

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Speaker 1: frame on that as usually what.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think they're going to be very precautious, would

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Speaker 11: be my sense. You know, this is the first injury

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Speaker 11: that he's had where he might miss a game since

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Speaker 11: the twenty twenty season. He's resilient, and so I have

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Speaker 11: a sense that, and I know his agent personally. I

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02:06:19,600 --> 02:06:22,440
Speaker 11: know they're going to get second opinions, if not third opinions,

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Speaker 11: and he's going to be well taken care of. I

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Speaker 11: think they're going to guard him, probably more than somebody

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Speaker 11: who'd be early in their career who wants to put

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Speaker 11: it so, depending upon the severity of this, This could

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Speaker 11: be three games, three to five games potentially, Ralph.

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Speaker 1: I know that you in your vast career and you

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Speaker 1: are one who has been around for a variety of sports,

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Speaker 1: not just in Indianapolis but obviously worldwide, but in particular,

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Speaker 1: I believe, probably even earlier in your career, like many

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Speaker 1: your career was impacted by Nancy Leonard. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: give you the opportunity to speak to what she meant

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, how wild is this that you know?

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Speaker 11: I listened to your show and just Bill Benner and folks,

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Speaker 11: and I just immediately think of the person who who

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Speaker 11: was there also with Nancy and Flick all along was

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Speaker 11: David Craig. David still living on the South side of

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Speaker 11: Indianapolis at longtime athletic trainer, and he had me. I

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Speaker 11: became his student assistant when I was a sophomore in

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Speaker 11: college at the University of Indianapolis nineteen seventy seven, and

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Speaker 11: so David took me under his wing and hanging around

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Speaker 11: Marcus Square arena, I became very familiar with Nancy Leonard

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Speaker 11: and the biggest impact that two impacts that Nancy Leonard

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Speaker 11: had on me, and I believe on numerous people David

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Speaker 11: Craig as well. She was encouraging and she she helped

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Speaker 11: me gain self confidence. She was encouraging, She paid attention

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Speaker 11: to me. She realized that I was a part of

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Speaker 11: the process as a college kid helping David, and she

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Speaker 11: just made me feel valued and it was something that

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Speaker 11: made an impact on me when I was eighteen years old,

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Speaker 11: nineteen years old, and then to watch her and then

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Speaker 11: to watch the city explode with sports and women in

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Speaker 11: sports leadership positions, I think nothing of it because Nancy

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Speaker 11: was there and so.

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Speaker 12: That was my model.

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Speaker 11: And then along come Standy Napp and others who are

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Speaker 11: well documented, and.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, she made a big impact on me.

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Speaker 11: And I know that there's a lot of people hurting

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Speaker 11: today just because of those great, great memories.

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Speaker 1: Ralph, I appreciate the time as always and the expertise,

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Speaker 1: and the next time that we chat, I will give

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Speaker 1: you then the platform to verify my intellect by telling

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Speaker 1: Eddie that we have four ankles and not two.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'll work on that, all right.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Ralph Reef joining us on the program again.

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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef dot com r E I f F. By

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Speaker 1: the way, the spelling on the last name. We'll take

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Speaker 1: a quick break, we'll come back. We'll get set with

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Speaker 1: What pickle on pen? I heard JAMV talking yesterday. He

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Speaker 1: has been like running around all over all parts of Indiana.

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Speaker 1: I think taking pickleball lessons because he's going to be

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Speaker 1: hitting around the pickle today. JMV joined us part of

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Speaker 1: one forty one is the telephone number. John. Let's begin

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Speaker 1: with that. You are now an expert pickleball player. Correct.

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Speaker 13: It was awesome. That was my first time out there.

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Speaker 13: Earlier today with Steve Bodner and Kelly is here. I

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02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:04,720
Speaker 13: think Corey was the pro that was with me, Austin

2310
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:06,880
Speaker 13: and then Maddie played a little bit too. This is

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Speaker 13: an excellent facility off a pin in Carmel. Get off

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02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:13,600
Speaker 13: of one sixteen and find your way to pin. It's

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Speaker 13: right off of one sixteen. We'll talk about a little

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Speaker 13: bit later. On, but I'd never played before. The only

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Speaker 13: thing that I had to try to get used to,

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Speaker 13: Jake was being able to navigate through the rules.

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Speaker 1: That's always kind of felt like I was in the

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Speaker 1: wrong spot. When you can and cannot go into the kitchen,

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Speaker 1: to me is the most confusing thing. The kitchen's an

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Speaker 1: area on the court by the way for those unfamiliar.

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Speaker 1: But but John, you can understand why and see why.

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Speaker 1: You know you're seeing more and more people playing this

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Speaker 1: and Austin facilities like that, you know are are viable

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Speaker 1: because it is super fun, man, and it's before you

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Speaker 1: know it. You've got to work out going.

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Speaker 13: No, No, I went down there, played for We played

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Speaker 13: for about an hour or so. Hit the showers here

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Speaker 13: afterwards too. I'm up in the kitchen. They have a

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Speaker 13: great restaurant and bar up here. We're gonna have beers

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Speaker 13: and cocked and Jake, I should remind people you can

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Speaker 13: play for free while I'm here, and you can play me.

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Speaker 13: I'll come down whenever I'm done and play people. I

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Speaker 13: got my clothes right out of rock and good to go,

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Speaker 13: and I'm not hooping tonight, so I'm good to go

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Speaker 13: with pickleball.

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Speaker 3: But I had a blast.

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Speaker 13: It's just trying to learn the rules, which was a

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Speaker 13: little bit awkward.

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Speaker 9: So you're Calf doing okay, John?

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Speaker 13: Uh Yeah, I wrapped it up like I was playing.

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Speaker 13: See the Kinney Moore stuff scares me, like you wouldn't believe.

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Speaker 13: I mean, because it's Calf two Achilles, which they're talking

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02:11:32,120 --> 02:11:35,960
Speaker 13: about today, and that is that's that's the danger zone

2344
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:37,800
Speaker 13: right there, as we saw with Tyree Salibert. But I

2345
02:11:37,880 --> 02:11:39,800
Speaker 13: wrapped it up like I normally would play basketball, and

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Speaker 13: everything was fine.

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Speaker 1: John. In terms of today's program, obviously, you know today

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Speaker 1: a big storyline as well, Nancy Leonard, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think that you know, you and I could sit here

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Speaker 1: and do three months worth and not be able to

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Speaker 1: talk to the incredible impact of magnitude she had in

2352
02:11:55,800 --> 02:11:56,880
Speaker 1: the city of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 13: There's no question. I mean, I was seven years old

2354
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:04,560
Speaker 13: whenever they ran the telethon, and I do remember it

2355
02:12:04,600 --> 02:12:07,840
Speaker 13: because I've always been a basketball fan. But we all

2356
02:12:07,960 --> 02:12:12,680
Speaker 13: understand the impact and just how Indianapolis, Jake would not

2357
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:16,400
Speaker 13: be Seriously, we wouldn't be doing this right because this

2358
02:12:16,520 --> 02:12:20,480
Speaker 13: wouldn't exist. It simply would not exist what we're doing

2359
02:12:20,600 --> 02:12:24,840
Speaker 13: right now, and you wouldn't have the Pacers, no NBA,

2360
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:28,960
Speaker 13: and we'd be talking about you know, IU athletics all

2361
02:12:29,000 --> 02:12:31,880
Speaker 13: the time and some produced stuff. But we wouldn't be

2362
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:36,120
Speaker 13: talking about it because this wouldn't have happened without Nancy

2363
02:12:36,520 --> 02:12:39,120
Speaker 13: and without Slick. And I heard your conversation with Bill Benner,

2364
02:12:39,120 --> 02:12:41,200
Speaker 13: who was the beat writer for the Pacers back then.

2365
02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:44,640
Speaker 13: Of very good stuff there. Mark Patrick, whom I used

2366
02:12:44,680 --> 02:12:47,880
Speaker 13: to work with long ago, is going to join me

2367
02:12:47,960 --> 02:12:50,760
Speaker 13: coming up at the four o'clock hour and go over

2368
02:12:51,320 --> 02:12:53,640
Speaker 13: you know, obviously the very early stages. I think he

2369
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:56,120
Speaker 13: was still Jake, maybe at the tail end of high

2370
02:12:56,160 --> 02:12:58,880
Speaker 13: school in nineteen seventy seven when they had the telethon,

2371
02:12:59,000 --> 02:13:02,040
Speaker 13: but profound memories that he has had, and he's going

2372
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:02,600
Speaker 13: to join.

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Speaker 9: Us for the first time in a long time.

2374
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Speaker 13: Mark Patrick is going to be on the show.

2375
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Speaker 1: The two of you are talking though, it's always awesome.

2376
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's in depth. He's awesome, awesome.

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Speaker 13: I mean it's just like you if you were talking

2378
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:18,360
Speaker 13: to Ted Sorenson. The memories just just flow and and

2379
02:13:18,440 --> 02:13:20,960
Speaker 13: they're vivid still. And I'm gonna try to get Redporter

2380
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:22,840
Speaker 13: on here as well. Rep called on the show in

2381
02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:27,320
Speaker 13: the summer a long time in arena announce her called

2382
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:29,160
Speaker 13: in the summertime. But we're going to try to see

2383
02:13:29,200 --> 02:13:31,440
Speaker 13: if he wanted to drop in and share thoughts. And

2384
02:13:31,560 --> 02:13:34,120
Speaker 13: I thought you worked out this as well as as

2385
02:13:34,200 --> 02:13:38,320
Speaker 13: anybody could with those that have direct impact with the

2386
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:42,480
Speaker 13: Leonard family, with Nancy in particular here and get their

2387
02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:45,560
Speaker 13: thoughts because you stated this to Bill Benner Jake, you

2388
02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:49,000
Speaker 13: said that that we kind of hear all this secondhand

2389
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:51,720
Speaker 13: and when you go to those that actually were around it.

2390
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:52,360
Speaker 9: That's why R.

2391
02:13:52,520 --> 02:13:57,520
Speaker 13: Miller, you know, for the was so spectacular in being

2392
02:13:57,600 --> 02:14:01,800
Speaker 13: able to vividly recreate the time both you know, what

2393
02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:04,240
Speaker 13: we know and what we didn't know about these stories

2394
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:07,240
Speaker 13: was so great. But we'll do as best we can.

2395
02:14:07,320 --> 02:14:09,240
Speaker 13: You did an outstanding job in three hours on the

2396
02:14:09,240 --> 02:14:10,040
Speaker 13: show today, though well.

2397
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, John, and certainly have fun out there today.

2398
02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:15,360
Speaker 1: I know, awesome facility and for you to have the

2399
02:14:15,440 --> 02:14:17,600
Speaker 1: chance also to play some pickleball with folks will be fun.

2400
02:14:17,800 --> 02:14:21,120
Speaker 1: And the conversation with Mark as well at four o'clock.

2401
02:14:21,160 --> 02:14:22,120
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, all right.

2402
02:14:22,920 --> 02:14:23,600
Speaker 9: You got it, brother?

2403
02:14:23,720 --> 02:14:26,520
Speaker 1: All right? That's JMV who is up at again pickle

2404
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:28,720
Speaker 1: on pen. We will throw it out to him and

2405
02:14:28,760 --> 02:14:31,400
Speaker 1: he will be with you. Mark Patrick four o'clock today

2406
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:35,560
Speaker 1: with John I Think Again, Bill Benner as well, Kevin Pritchard,

2407
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:39,200
Speaker 1: Mark Monteith, Mark Boyle, all for joining today, Ralph Reef

2408
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:43,760
Speaker 1: as well and sharing memories and condolences to the entire

2409
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:47,080
Speaker 1: Leonard family in the city of Indianapolis today. Thank you

2410
02:14:47,160 --> 02:14:48,360
Speaker 1: for listening to a querying company.