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Speaker 2: And if you remember, Jake, when we had this debate

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Speaker 1: Was my guest. I think that's right, and I think

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Speaker 1: she said that was a possibility. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I think she wanted that song because and it's it's

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I should take this as a

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Speaker 1: fact that it is nine fifteen, I believe it on

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Speaker 1: the West Coast and Coach White joining us on the program. Coach,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good?

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Speaker 1: How are you excuse me?

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Speaker 4: You know what?

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Speaker 5: But other than that, over the song, Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's that song's allowed for me to swallow. Admittedly, Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's get to this. You guys right now maybe the

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Speaker 1: really made big plays for you guys. So it was

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Speaker 1: facilitated by others, but it was like different game, different night,

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Speaker 6: I think it's really speaking to the depth that we're

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Speaker 6: And you know, Tash is a great off ball cutter.

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Speaker 6: she kept a lot of plays alive on the offensive glass.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's changed so much because back

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Speaker 6: But it is a challenge now because players are better

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Speaker 6: You know, certainly for us, we have a lot of

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Speaker 6: It's it's one of the things that I loved as

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Speaker 1: How do you as a coach, how long does it

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it takes some time and and you know, quite honestly,

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Speaker 5: The the ebbs and flows of a game.

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Speaker 6: And so you can with some players early and just really.

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Speaker 6: It's it's being able to do it through experience.

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Speaker 5: Time about about players and playing.

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Speaker 3: It's like, you you know, there's no.

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Speaker 6: Substitute for experience, And it's the same in interactions with players,

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Speaker 3: Experience that we get.

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Speaker 6: Through through playing together, through adverse dealing with adversity, through

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Speaker 6: Those kinds of things happen throughout the course of the season,

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the movie Coach Stephanie White is our

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Speaker 1: guest Fever and Action tonight, taking on Los Angeles there

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Speaker 1: and seek of their six straight win. Have you seen

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Speaker 1: the movie Miracle about the nineteen eighty Okay, so spoiler

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Speaker 1: the famous scene where Herb Brooks is making them continue

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to realize the team's gotten it right. The

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Speaker 1: epiphany is there. Have you guys hit that point this year?

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Speaker 1: And if so, is was there a moment where you,

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Speaker 6: There have been a few instances, you know, certainly putting

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Speaker 6: dealing with dealing with adversity and and seeing this group

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Speaker 5: Moments throughout the course of the season where we have

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Speaker 6: Opponents runs very well. You know, we double digits. I

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Speaker 6: Know, the crowd is erupting, and and the group just

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Speaker 3: And it was like, we got this.

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Speaker 6: And that's the moment that I'm really proud of because

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it, it's so much fun.

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Speaker 3: I think what this group has.

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Speaker 5: Brooks, Oh, well, I don't know. Let's see play it.

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Speaker 1: Play it, Eddie, I don't have it anymore.

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Speaker 2: X song for the next segment.

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Speaker 6: Q already, well, he prepared, he's thinking, he's thinking one

447
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Speaker 6: Papa head.

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Speaker 1: Eddie's back to Oasis, he's off the Garth Brooks, Well,

449
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Speaker 1: trade h coach. Best of luck tonight against the Sparks.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time as always, travel safely obviously, but good

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Speaker 1: luck in getting six in a row.

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks?

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Speaker 1: All right, Stephanie White joining us on the program. Colt's

454
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Speaker 1: just getting underway with practice in Baltimore. Now, are they

455
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Speaker 1: practicing in Baltimore or are they like in Towelson or something.

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Speaker 2: I believe they're in Baltimore. There's not many teams nowadays

457
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Speaker 2: take that practice. I know, off campus for a lack

458
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Speaker 2: of a better friend.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are one, right, don't the Cowboys still go to California? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I bet the Rams are off site somewhere.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They probably got to like Hawaii or something. The Stealer

463
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Speaker 1: where If you're the Rams, why would you go anywhere?

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Speaker 1: You're in Los Angeles. They're the Rams stake. They always

465
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Speaker 1: do the extravagant stuff. When I covered the Rams, they

466
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Speaker 1: were in McCom Millinois. I'm pretty sure they had most

467
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Speaker 1: exciting place to be was the Walmart. I think they

468
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Speaker 1: may have had like OTAs in Mexico or something. Really Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: fair enough joining us now, and I'm sure thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be doing so. Joel A. Erickson is with the Indianapolis Star.

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Speaker 1: He is the beat writer for the Colts. Joel Ware,

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Speaker 1: exactly do the Ravens have their training camp? Are you aware?

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Speaker 7: I believe it's.

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Speaker 8: In Owings Mills, Maryland at their normal performance center.

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Speaker 1: Owings Mills, Maryland. Yes, that's a fun sounding town, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that? Do you think it was an

477
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Speaker 1: old mill town? Is that what it is? And some

478
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Speaker 1: guy named Owing owned them all?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I'm interested in the fact that it's like it's both

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Speaker 8: plural Owings Mills.

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Speaker 1: You know. You know what's interesting is if Owing is

483
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Speaker 1: the guy that had the mills, then at the time

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Speaker 1: he actually was Owing owning mills, right, that's true? Yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: I mean the alliteration is just off the charts. Okay,

486
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Speaker 1: we'll begin with this not listed at quarterback. Okay, the

487
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Speaker 1: depth chart yesterday, so I'm taking the quarterback off the

488
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Speaker 1: board for you. That's the low hanging fruit. What when

489
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Speaker 1: the Colts unofficially released or you know, they released an

490
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Speaker 1: unofficial depth chart, was there anything that truly jumped out

491
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Speaker 1: at you that you were a little surprised of where

492
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Speaker 1: they had someone either to the positive or the negative.

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Speaker 8: Cameron mcgroon over Jalen Carlis at linebacker caught my eye.

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Speaker 8: All off season. We've kind of that Carlis was going

495
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Speaker 8: to be the guy there, but they've got Carlis behind

496
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Speaker 8: him now and that actually does fit somewhat what we've

497
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Speaker 8: seen in the field. They've rotated those linebackers all over

498
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Speaker 8: the place like it's the linebacker, I would say, is

499
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Speaker 8: the hardest one to keep track of who's playing in

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Speaker 8: what group, So it it probably isn't settled yet, but

501
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Speaker 8: it's interesting that mcgron, you know, local guy with really

502
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Speaker 8: he's only played eight defensive snaps for the Colts in

503
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Speaker 8: his last three years, is listed ahead of Carlis. To me,

504
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Speaker 8: that was that was one that was interesting, And then

505
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Speaker 8: the other one was was Tanner BORDERLINI over Danny Pinter,

506
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Speaker 8: because they've been they've been pretty much neck and neck

507
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Speaker 8: in terms of reps throughout the first part of camp.

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Speaker 1: I thought, and I agree with that on Carlist, because

509
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Speaker 1: they they've been pretty high on him, right, I mean

510
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Speaker 1: they they vocally have talked of their praise of him

511
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Speaker 1: and been supportive of him. Correct.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, especially from a front office level, from a from

513
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Speaker 8: a coaching level. I think, you know what, they didn't

514
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Speaker 8: have him in the in the May June portion of it,

515
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Speaker 8: spring workouts, whatever you want to call that, and I

516
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Speaker 8: think that maybe didn't help him getting started. But yes,

517
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Speaker 8: I think everyone has assumed that that spot has basically

518
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Speaker 8: been you know, carved out there for Carlis, and it's

519
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Speaker 8: interesting that it seems to be more of a battle

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Speaker 8: there than we thought.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the other one that I found interesting, So let's

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Speaker 1: begin with this, Joel, They, in your opinion, will keep

523
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Speaker 1: how many tight ends?

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Speaker 8: I think four?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if you look at those four, you know

526
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Speaker 1: you've got obviously you know Tyder Warren, that's a given, right,

527
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Speaker 1: Moali Cox, I think a given. Then you get Drew

528
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Speaker 1: Ogletree and Will Mallory. Maybe those two are interchangeable. It's

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Speaker 1: interesting to me because one and two meaning Warren and

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Speaker 1: Moali Cox. Then if you were to look at the

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Speaker 1: style of play and what they bring to the table,

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Speaker 1: I kind of think Mo as Mallory as a poor

533
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Speaker 1: man's Warren and Ogletree as a poor man's mo aleey Cox,

534
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Speaker 1: even though ogle Tree is a better receiver than ali Cox, right,

535
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Speaker 1: So you get kind of all your bases covered there.

536
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Speaker 1: Jilantie Woods to me was interesting because they have been

537
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Speaker 1: so patient with him and waiting out not one, but

538
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Speaker 1: two years of injury. Is that just because they simply

539
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Speaker 1: wanted to see what he could do and he just

540
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Speaker 1: has not been able to rise to the occasion at

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Speaker 1: this point.

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Speaker 8: I think the biggest thing was there just wasn't much

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Speaker 8: reason to cut ties with him from a contractual standpoint.

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Speaker 8: He's not making that much to where you'd have to

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Speaker 8: do it, you know, for monetary reasons, and you know

546
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Speaker 8: he's on that rookie deals, he's been hurt, you might

547
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Speaker 8: as well just keep him around to see if he

548
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Speaker 8: can tap back into that. Now, I would say that,

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Speaker 8: you know, the biggest thing is he's probably competing for

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Speaker 8: a receiving not probably, he's competing for a receiver tight

551
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Speaker 8: end spot because he's just not really a blocker from

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Speaker 8: what we've seen on the practice field, you know, and

553
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Speaker 8: that puts him up against Will Mallory because obviously Tyler

554
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Speaker 8: Warren is your number one receiving tight end and honestly,

555
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Speaker 8: just Mallory's had a really good camp and Woods has

556
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Speaker 8: been a little more up and down. So I think

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Speaker 8: it's it's pretty obvious. But yeah, you hang on to

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Speaker 8: him just because you know he was hurt last year.

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Speaker 8: It's not like you could have traded him at you know,

560
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Speaker 8: at cutdown day or something like that. I didn't, I

561
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Speaker 8: was I didn't think he was going to make the

562
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Speaker 8: roster last year before he got hurt. So I think

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Speaker 8: more than anything, it's just this doesn't cost that much.

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Speaker 8: It's not hurting us. We can't there's no value we

565
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Speaker 8: can get out of it elsewhere. Let's just take into

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Speaker 8: camp next year and see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Joel, what would you describe as a successful rookie season

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Speaker 2: for Tyler Warren.

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Speaker 3: Warren?

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Speaker 8: I think I think to me, it's gonna have to

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Speaker 8: be a little bit more of an eye test than

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Speaker 8: a numbers test with Warren, because I still have my

573
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Speaker 8: doubts about whether or not the quarterbacks are going to

574
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Speaker 8: give us a really good read on how a player

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Speaker 8: is doing. You know, I think we all have kind

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Speaker 8: of learned with with Alex Pearce that the quarterback can

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Speaker 8: play an oversized role in how a receiver looks some

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Speaker 8: or what one of the skilled position weapons looks. And

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Speaker 8: so you know, I think that, well, well, I think

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Speaker 8: that you'd expect like sixty catches something like that. You

581
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Speaker 8: can't do that because I just don't know what this

582
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Speaker 8: team is going to be like as a passing team

583
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Speaker 8: and how much how many passes this team.

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Speaker 1: Is going to throw.

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Speaker 8: I think it's gonna have to be you know, just

586
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Speaker 8: us watching and saying, you know, what is this?

587
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Speaker 7: What did this guy look like?

588
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Speaker 1: You know, the guy that I on the roster am

589
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Speaker 1: most intrigued by at this point. And Joel, I know

590
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Speaker 1: this will stun you when I tell you this. I'm

591
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: a late bloomer intellectually, okay. So I started getting serious

592
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: about school when I was like forty seven. Okay, typically

593
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: problematic with your early academic career. So I was asleep

594
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Speaker 1: on this a little bit until I was really studying

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Speaker 1: the roster. And then and only then when I studied

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Speaker 1: the roster did And I don't know if you've ever

597
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Speaker 1: heard my and I have a wide array of characters

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Speaker 1: that I do famously. Kids love it, people love it

599
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: in public. Have you ever heard my British polo playing

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00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: character that I do on the radio show Joel, I

601
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Speaker 1: have not. He talks like that. It comes from the Highlands, right,

602
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: you know the guy, he's got a pipe. He's in

603
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Speaker 1: like a library. That's you know what I mean. There's

604
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Speaker 1: a fireplace in the background. So that guy when he's

605
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: studying the Colts roster, okay, he's looking at it. He said, yeah,

606
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Speaker 1: I'm not sold on Anthony Richardson. Okay, that's how he talks.

607
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: I look at the roster and I see one name

608
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: that jumps out of me, and I go, that's it.

609
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: This character that I've been doing on the radio for

610
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: years now is named this guy. It is that that

611
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: is the exact name. And so I need this guy

612
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Speaker 1: on the roster for the rest of the year to

613
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: carry on this character because listeners of the show love it.

614
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: They just love this this character. Kids in particular, would

615
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: you like to guess what character or what what player

616
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about? What name on the roster is the

617
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Speaker 1: British polo player. Yeah, that's correct, Savarius Ward. You know,

618
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: there's an outstanding guess and many would think so. And

619
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Speaker 1: he's not a bad player, but he's more of a

620
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: box cheball guy. Clearly, Clearly the guy that I'm doing

621
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Speaker 1: here is Ulysses Bentley the Fourth.

622
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Speaker 8: Oh, okay, obviously.

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Speaker 1: We need Ulysses Bentley the fourth to make the roster.

624
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: I need people walking around and I mean you got

625
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: people walking around at games where Matt bouzat jerseys for

626
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: crying out loud. Why out of Bentley? You can break

627
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: out your Albert Bentley jersey if you'd like, and just

628
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: put a fut IV on the end of it. Right.

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Speaker 1: We need Ulysses Bentley the Fourth to make the roster,

630
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: partially because his name's Ulysses Bentley the fourth, partially because

631
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Speaker 1: he's a twenty four year old rookie from Old Miss,

632
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: and also because the running back position is one of

633
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: those fungible positions where in week eleven, all of a

634
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: sudden you get injury and some guy goes in there

635
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: and goes eight carries for forty eight yards and it's

636
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: a good story, is please tell me, that's going to

637
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: be my man ubi, which is my euphanism for Ulysses

638
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: Bentley the fourth.

639
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Speaker 8: He needs he probably needs some space to clear in

640
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 8: front of him for that to happen. I will say this,

641
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 8: though he did. He had occupied a place that I

642
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 8: always feel like it's the hardest position in camp is

643
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 8: whoever the undrafted free agent running back is. I think

644
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 8: that's the hardest position in camp because you're the only

645
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 8: one that they'll allowed that anybody will allow to hit,

646
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 8: and so you get beat up way worse than anybody else.

647
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 8: He got to catch a touchdown pass of today U

648
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Speaker 8: and I thought that that was a nice you know,

649
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 8: thank you president for forgetting being the running back in

650
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 8: all of the live sessions and everything like that, because

651
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 8: you know that that undrafted spot you just get hammered.

652
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: He's used to it. He's used to it. You know

653
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: why he's used to it, Joe, Why have you seen

654
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: the way they take things to the rugby fields in Scotland.

655
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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you or what it's worth, right, true,

656
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: Ulyssa is Bentley the fourth, that's my guy. Okay, let's

657
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: go to the quarterback position. Your anticipation of who will

658
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: and I had, I had kind of a a reverse

659
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Speaker 1: psychology answer on this. But you believe that the guy

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Speaker 1: that will get the most reps in this preseason game

661
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Speaker 1: number one against Baltimore will be which ed quarterback.

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Speaker 3: In the first game, I see.

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Speaker 8: It'll be Richardson.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I believe. Now the green Bay game is the

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Speaker 1: one preseason game number two, that's the one that everybody says, well,

666
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Speaker 1: that's the real look of you know, that gives you

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Speaker 1: the real indication of the depths in that one the

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Speaker 1: guy that you think will get the most snaps as which.

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Speaker 8: Well, if I said Richardson for the first one, I

670
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Speaker 8: have to say Jones for the second one, because Steiken

671
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Speaker 8: told us that's how it was going to go. I'm thinking, though,

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Speaker 8: that the third preseason game is the one we need

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Speaker 8: to watch because with joint practices before the first two,

674
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Speaker 8: I'm not expecting the Ravens of the Packers to play

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Speaker 8: anybody that really matters to them.

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Speaker 1: Because here's my thought. Then you tell me that I'm

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Speaker 1: out of my mind here, Okay, I think that we

678
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Speaker 1: meaning you, myself, Colts fans, whatever it might be. Okay,

679
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Speaker 1: for that matter, Ulyssa Bentley, the third might be thinking

680
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Speaker 1: this right in hopes of make a roster. So everybody

681
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Speaker 1: looking at it is going to say to themselves, if

682
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones gets starting nods throughout the preseason, that that

683
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Speaker 1: means he's won the job. But I think it's entirely

684
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Speaker 1: possible that the Colts look at it and say, we

685
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Speaker 1: made the mistake of giving the keys to Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 1: too early in his career. So even if we feel

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Speaker 1: he is going to be the guy in the regular season,

688
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Speaker 1: we want to make sure that we are continuing to

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Speaker 1: push him and that he is responding because he has

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Speaker 1: responded to this first camp where he truly had competition.

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Speaker 1: So therefore, we are not going to pull the reins

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Speaker 1: off that competition until the eleventh hour when we finally

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Speaker 1: have to make that decision officially.

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Speaker 8: Does that make sense, Yeah, I think that it's going

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Speaker 8: to be a while, you know, Stich said the other day.

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Speaker 8: Him saying the other day, though one guy is going

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Speaker 8: to get more of the snaps in the first game,

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Speaker 8: then the other guy's gonna get more snaps in the

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Speaker 8: second game.

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Speaker 1: Like that told me.

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Speaker 8: That we're already past where he was as a rook

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Speaker 8: He in the you know quote unquote competition with Gardner Minshew,

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Speaker 8: which I think most of us, you know, don't seriously

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Speaker 8: consider to be that. And and I think I think

705
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Speaker 8: you're right. I think they're going to push it out.

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Speaker 8: I think they want to know for sure, and I

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Speaker 8: think they feel like they can they can wait to

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Speaker 8: do that. Like I said, I have that last preseason

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Speaker 8: game earmarked just because it seems like every time there's

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Speaker 8: a joint practice, whoever they're joint practicing against, is like, well,

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Speaker 8: our starters have gotten their work on the practice field,

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Speaker 8: We're not going to expose them to the game reps.

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Speaker 8: We're going to pull all those guys off. And if

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Speaker 8: I was if I was Shane Styke, and I would

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Speaker 8: want to see them in game action against some guys

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Speaker 8: they might actually see on a Sunday in September or

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Speaker 8: October instead of just the guys that they're trying to

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Speaker 8: make the roster.

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Speaker 1: Joel, if you're thirty four years old and you've been

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Speaker 1: in the league for let's say you're a quarterback entering

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Speaker 1: your eleventh season in the NFL, you're thirty four year

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Speaker 1: years old, would you rather right now go to New

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Speaker 1: England and be the starter? Making nine million a year

724
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Speaker 1: or go to Kansas City or Buffalo and be the

725
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Speaker 1: backup making six and a half million a year.

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Speaker 8: It's a fantastic question.

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Speaker 1: Has Joel already won a Super Bowl? No, Joel has

728
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Speaker 1: been a starter, that is, you know, a five hundred

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Speaker 1: percent you know, he's He's been a guy that has

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Speaker 1: gone nine and eight for the majority of his career

731
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Speaker 1: as a starter. This is Andy Dalton, Derek Karish type

732
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Speaker 1: of gardner Minshire, right.

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Speaker 8: I think I want the starting job. I think I

734
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Speaker 8: want the starting job because as long as I have

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Speaker 8: a chance of convincing somebody that they should pay me,

736
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Speaker 8: you know, three years forty five million or three years

737
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Speaker 8: fifty million or something next year, I think I want

738
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Speaker 8: to take that. So if I go to New England

739
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Speaker 8: and things fall the right way and I look pretty good,

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Speaker 8: maybe next year I'm going to end up with the

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Speaker 8: larger contract, whether I deserve it or not.

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Speaker 1: Would you rather be Obi Topping on this last year's

743
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Speaker 1: Pacers team or gosh, I'm trying to think of who, like,

744
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Speaker 1: you know, Jordan Poole on the Washington Wizards.

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Speaker 8: Obie Topping for sure, Okay.

746
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Speaker 1: Even if the other one gets you paid more Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think I think that. To me, that discrepancy is

748
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Speaker 8: so so big that I'd I'd rather much. I'd much

749
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Speaker 8: rather be Obi top. And the thirty four year old

750
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Speaker 8: quarterback is probably going to be back in free agency

751
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Speaker 8: next year and may may get one last chance at

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Speaker 8: a starting contract.

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Speaker 1: What has to this point, Joel, what storyline has yet

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Speaker 1: aside from quarterback? What storyline has yet to clarify itself

755
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: and resolve itself with this Colts team during this training

756
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: camp that you are surprised you are still having to

757
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Speaker 1: write about.

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Speaker 8: That's a good question. I'm surprised at the cornerback position

759
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Speaker 8: all of a sudden looks iffy, right, you've got hamstring.

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Speaker 1: Injury or of that's injury, right, I mean that give

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Speaker 1: them credit. They had what we thought they had depth

762
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Speaker 1: at that right. We thought like they had this really

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Speaker 1: good cupboard and then all of a sudden, two of

764
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Speaker 1: the dishes fell out and got cracked right.

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Speaker 8: Right right, So yes, exactly, Like that's the biggest thing

766
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Speaker 8: is that is that you you thought you had depth there.

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Speaker 8: But that's that's the position that all of a sudden,

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Speaker 8: more than more so than anything else, that's the position

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Speaker 8: where I'm going I I don't know, you know, we

770
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Speaker 8: don't really know exactly what Ward is dealing with. Shane

771
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Speaker 8: Seigen said tightness in his legs. I think that's, you know,

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Speaker 8: as vague of descriptions as you can get for a

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Speaker 8: player's injury. And then you know, we know that Jayalen

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Speaker 8: Jones suffered a pretty significant hamstring injury. Stichen himself told

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Speaker 8: us that, and then Juju Brents, you know, is a

776
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Speaker 8: player that has struggled with this stuff throughout his career

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Speaker 8: and also with the hamstring. And I think most sports

778
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Speaker 8: fans know by now that hamstrings are are unpredictable, and

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Speaker 8: I think that that position, I'm just going, man, they

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Speaker 8: really thought that they felt like they had a lot

781
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Speaker 8: of depth. I'm sure they still feel like they're okay

782
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Speaker 8: for the regular season because it's a month away. But man,

783
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Speaker 8: that's a lot of corners down already where you're seeing

784
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Speaker 8: Jonathan Edwards, who's an undrafted free agent playing with the

785
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Speaker 8: starters at.

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Speaker 1: Cornerback, by the way, the okay, the tight end position

787
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Speaker 1: with Tyler Warren. This is an assignment for you, Joel.

788
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Speaker 1: This is a rainy day assignment for you because I

789
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Speaker 1: know you love those right of course, I'd like to

790
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Speaker 1: know a list. I'll give you till the end of

791
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Speaker 1: the year to come up with this. Okay, I'd like

792
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Speaker 1: your the list of the twenty greatest NFL players all

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Speaker 1: time whose first name and last name both are either

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Speaker 1: the first or last name of a US president. Wait.

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Speaker 8: Think, off the top of my head, Roosevelt Colvin seems

796
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Speaker 8: like he'd be on that list.

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Speaker 1: Is there a president with the first or last name

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00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: of Colvin? Oh, I'm saying both?

799
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Speaker 8: Wait, I got I got the parameters rough both.

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing for Tyler, Warren Tyler. Warren's

801
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: got the double wayman of John Tyler and Warren Harding.

802
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like basically bottom of the barrel here, right,

803
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: But still two presidents, right, I mean one had the

804
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: teapot Dome scandal, the other got impeached. I mean, let's go, right,

805
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Speaker 1: we don't have any.

806
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 8: We don't need president's named Reggie.

807
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: Right, what's happening?

808
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 8: We don't have any president's named Reggie right?

809
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: Actually, John Taylor did not. John Tyler did not get impeached.

810
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: He just did not get nominated again by his own

811
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: party after serving presidency, which is pretty bad. Uh. No

812
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Speaker 1: president named Reggie correct.

813
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Speaker 8: Man, I'm trying to think of. I was using the

814
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Speaker 8: two bushes is hoping that, like, there's definitely got to

815
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Speaker 8: be someone in there. Man, I was hoping I could

816
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 8: come up with one right off the.

817
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Speaker 1: Bat, and it's not working. Here's the thing, and you

818
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: realize what just happened here right m about two thirty

819
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: in the morning, and you know how much harder it's

820
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: going to be for the beer fairy to surprise you

821
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: on the porch now, because you're gonna be up at

822
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Speaker 1: two thirty in the morning sitting there thinking about damn,

823
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Speaker 1: President's right, That's exactly what's going to happen. This is

824
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Speaker 1: why you come off this program, is it not.

825
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 8: It's I'm going to look at every roster this year

826
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 8: I know there and go through it.

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Speaker 1: Listen, listen, I'm telling you right now, people are in

828
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 1: their car right now saying this guy in the radio

829
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: is a complete idiot, and then tonight when they're sitting

830
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: around dinner, they're going something interesting today. I'm telling you,

831
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Speaker 1: this is what goes on in this noggin that is

832
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Speaker 1: essentially like four sixty five rush hour traffic. It's just

833
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: always jammed up, right, Okay, lastly, before we let you go.

834
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Speaker 1: In all honesty, Joel and I appreciate the time. Joel A.

835
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Speaker 1: Erickson is our guest from the Indianapolis Star. He is

836
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Speaker 1: the Colt speed Ryder, the thing that we really want

837
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Speaker 1: to look for and see in this trip to Baltimore

838
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Speaker 1: from this team, aside from the obvious, but areas that

839
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Speaker 1: you think that Shane Steichen or Chris Ballard might be

840
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: looking at with more of a fine tooth comb than

841
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: we would guess. And obviously, yes, depth corner is an issue,

842
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: and then obviously yes, the quarterback position, but there are

843
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: other areas, whether it be offensive line, defensive line, linebacker,

844
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Speaker 1: whatever it may be, what jumps out center.

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Speaker 8: I think the Ravens are a great test for centers

846
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Speaker 8: because they're going to bring a lot of blitzer.

847
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Speaker 3: They're going to make them do identification.

848
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Speaker 8: Bordolini and Pinter are competing. It feels to me like

849
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Speaker 8: that competition is a bigger deal than we think. I

850
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 8: think center is a big one.

851
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 7: I think this is.

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Speaker 8: This is probably something people were already looking at. But

853
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 8: if they take a field goal, just pay attention. Spencer

854
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Speaker 8: Strader has been much better than Maddicks. Trujillo so far,

855
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 8: but he hasn't been to the point that Brian Mason

856
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 8: wants him to be as a special teams coordinator. He

857
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 8: said he's he's at eighty seven percent the other day,

858
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 8: and they would prefer him to be at ninety in practices,

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Speaker 8: So anytime somebody kicks. And then the other thing that

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Speaker 8: I'm curious about is how does this defense, particularly the

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Speaker 8: defensive line, look against Baltimore's offensive line, Whether it's in

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Speaker 8: practice I believe they're practicing right now, or whether it's

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Speaker 8: in the preseason game. I think the practice I care

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Speaker 8: more because I'm assuming guys like the Forrest Buckner are

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Speaker 8: probably not playing on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: By the way, didn't he didn't the Colts have a linebacker?

867
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Speaker 1: And did they have an Andrew Johnson linebacker? Am I

868
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: right or wrong in that they have an alex Andrew

869
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Speaker 1: Jackson and Andrew Jackson linebacker? That's what I'm thinking, named

870
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Speaker 1: Andrew Jackson Jackson. Did they have an.

871
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Speaker 8: Alex Johnson corner? Does that cout with an Alexander and

872
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Speaker 8: a Johnson?

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Speaker 1: What what president was Alexander? Oh, alex You're right, there's

874
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Speaker 1: not one. Yeah, Alexander Hamilton. See, I've always thought Ben Franklin,

875
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: Alexander Hamilton, and Aaron Burr. Those are three guys that

876
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: a lot of people think were presidents at one point,

877
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: but they weren't. Yeah, now here's the last thing, Joel,

878
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: And I'm going to give you a permission to use this.

879
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: And it's not often that I let people, you know,

880
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: give permission to use my stuff. Right, But in the

881
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 1: NBA circles, I have the famous quaryism of twenty twenty

882
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: five guys. You've heard me mention this. Guys that score

883
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: twenty a game on a twenty five win team their

884
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: entire career. Okay, Kyle Kuzma, quintessential twenty twenty five guy.

885
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: You probably heard me mention this before. But with this

886
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: situation that we're monitoring at corner for the Colts, I

887
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: always say, defensive backs an offensive lineman are the NFL's

888
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: cell phone chargers and sunglasses. You can never have too

889
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: many because just when you think you do, one of

890
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: them breaks or you lose one. Every time, there you go.

891
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 6: I like that.

892
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 8: I like the offensive line is definitely true. I mean, yeah,

893
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 8: I think most people feel good about the Colts offensive line.

894
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 8: But if something happened to dark Ryman, everyone feel really good.

895
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: Rat all of a sudden, you gotta have a Swiss

896
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: army knife. That's one of the and I'm not saying

897
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: left tackle is an area where he can do it.

898
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: But people laugh at me when I say that a

899
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: guy like Danny Pincher has a lot of value, but

900
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: he kind of does because he is a Swiss army

901
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: knife guy that can play at a couple of different

902
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: spots for you. And that's important at line because you

903
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: never know where a leak can pop up.

904
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 8: There was that one year where they all play, they

905
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 8: all started every game or something like that, and I

906
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 8: think a lot of Colts fans are like, well, that's

907
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 8: what happens with the offensive line.

908
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 6: All the time.

909
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, you just play every game and it's never

910
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 8: happened again.

911
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: After that, I think it was like twenty nineteen was

912
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: when it happened, you know, kind of like how you

913
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: feel each time me come on the show. That's never

914
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: going to happen again? Is what you say to yourself, right,

915
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: more often.

916
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 8: Than not, absolutely not. I will always say yes to

917
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 8: the beer Faiie.

918
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: Yes, you're not supposed to know the identity of it. Joel,

919
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: all right, Joel appreciate the time as always. You bet,

920
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: you bet, that's our friend. The exhausted Joel a Ericson

921
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: joining us on the program. Eddie Garrison continues his tour

922
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: of random bad country music, although I will admit again

923
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: summertime like this is a fun concert. Kenny Chessea's fun

924
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: concert joining us now in the program, and I'm sure

925
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: thrilled because it feels just at home in Texas by

926
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: hearing that kind of music. Mac Ingele is with the

927
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: Fort Worth Star Telegram, native of Indianapolis, and there are

928
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: all kinds of connections between the two. To be honest

929
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: with you, Mac probably is wondering why I wanted him

930
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: to come on the show today, and Mac, I do

931
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: think that even though I want to talk to you

932
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: about some Indianapolis based things, there is an element of

933
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: you know, the Dallas Cowboy are a national brand, and

934
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: you know the NFL is the eight hundred pound gorilla.

935
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: And it just seems like every year, but more so

936
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: this year than most your coverage of the Cowboys, you

937
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: are right there in the biggest drama soap opera of

938
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: the NFL, at least from afar. That's how it seems.

939
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: What about when you're actually in the midst of it,

940
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: covering them.

941
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 7: It's even louder. It's even louder. And I don't know

942
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 7: if I have a real I think the best comp

943
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 7: I could think of for Hoosiers is Indiana basketball under

944
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 7: Bob Knight in the eighties, and you know, because he

945
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 7: was such a personality. And obviously this is different because

946
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 7: you've got players involved, and you've got a game that's

947
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 7: you know, has a stranglehold on America that certainly eclipse

948
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 7: eclipses the popularity of college basketball even back in the eighties.

949
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 7: So you've got a handful of players who have star wattage.

950
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 7: And then you have an owner who really reshaped arts

951
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 7: consumerism in America and really globally since he bought the

952
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 7: team in eighty eight. So and he's just completely poured

953
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 7: gasoline over all of it because he recognized almost before

954
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 7: anybody else that there was money to be made in

955
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 7: just talking about it. And the more you talked about it,

956
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 7: the more eyeballs that were drawn to it. And so

957
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 7: we took a brand that was already renowned because of

958
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 7: the success they had, and then he just completely turned

959
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 7: up the volume on it to the nth degree. So

960
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 7: now everybody's interested in it, even though they haven't won

961
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 7: anything of note since nineteen ninety six. It's really impressive.

962
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: It is Jerry Jones Mac guilty of thinking that, because

963
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: he's been around it, that he is a smarter football

964
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: mind than he is.

965
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 7: Well, he has one thing going for him that no

966
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 7: other owner I think in sports has going for them.

967
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 7: I think Jerry played major college football. He was an

968
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 7: offensive lineman, which is hard to believe if you look

969
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 7: at the van, but he was an offensive lineman or

970
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 7: the University of Arkansas national championship team back in I

971
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 7: don't know however many sixty three or whatever year it was.

972
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 7: And if you look up and down sports owners, none

973
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 7: of them played. I can't think of any of them

974
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 7: who played.

975
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Jim Mercy did peripherally, right, but I realize

976
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: he's the late Jim Mersay now, but you know what

977
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: I mean here, You're right, Jim.

978
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 7: Jim played a little bit and certainly he had you know,

979
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 7: he did some things on the side in terms of weightlifting,

980
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 7: and so he put himself in the arena, like you said, peripherally.

981
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 7: But Jerry always had that going for him, and it was

982
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 7: the one thing about his resume that he could point

983
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 7: to you wouldn't, I wouldn't, But he could point to

984
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 7: and say, listen, I played the game, I was around

985
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 7: this guy or this guy and this guy. I was

986
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 7: on a team with Barry Switzer, I was on a

987
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 7: team with Jimmy Johnson, I was on a team coach

988
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 7: by Frank Boyles, and blah blah blah. So he could

989
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 7: use that as a solid point of sale to his

990
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 7: football expertise. And the guy's not a total idiot. I mean,

991
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 7: you think you'd be around from it for thirty years

992
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 7: you would have learned something, and he has. But the

993
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 7: inescapable reality of it is that he doesn't really put

994
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 7: that much emphasis on some of the details that you might,

995
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 7: or a coach might. His idea is that you give

996
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 7: me the best talent, we're going to win. These coaches

997
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 7: are pretty much all the same. They're all pretty good.

998
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 7: He doesn't really distinguish one from the other. Even though

999
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 7: most people would say, yeah, Bill Belichick with Tom Brady,

1000
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 7: he was probably better than Bill Belichick with Vinnie Testaverdi.

1001
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 7: Bill Belichick is still a good coach, and in Jerry's mind,

1002
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 7: Bill Belichick was made by Tom Brady. So that's just

1003
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 7: how he sees it and so and then if you

1004
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 7: couple that expertise and arrogance and experience with the fact

1005
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 7: that he mercilessly markets anything that he does in the

1006
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 7: zombie like ambition to make more money no matter how

1007
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 7: much he has, Well, now you've got this cocktail that

1008
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 7: is unlike anything that really we've seen in sports in

1009
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 7: the last fifty years.

1010
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: Okay, the Colts aren't really in the market for a

1011
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 1: pass rush guy. I mean they I think they think

1012
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: they have it in Leatu Latu. Quinny pay is probably

1013
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: just a guy, but he's okay. He's not great, He's

1014
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: just okay, But you know, his first round you kind

1015
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: of want more. Dallas has it at Micah Parsons in

1016
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: an elite level pass rush end. But now that's the

1017
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: big drama. There seems to always be drama around the Cowboys.

1018
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: What is the latest on Parsons and where's he going

1019
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: to end up?

1020
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 7: Well, you know, he's their franchise guy. He's Lawrence Taylor

1021
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 7: two point zero, which is a lot to put on

1022
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 7: a guy. But from a talent and athlete perspective, he's

1023
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 7: just he's amazing. I mean, he could be an Olympic

1024
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 7: caliber wrestler today if he wanted to, because he was

1025
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 7: a wrestler in high school with almost no effort. He

1026
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 7: was a guy who athletically would walk on any field

1027
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 7: and kick the hell out of anybody that he was

1028
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 7: on the field with. And unbelievably that translated his Penn State,

1029
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 7: and now it's translated to the NFL.

1030
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: Normally you see.

1031
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 7: That guy kind of weeds itself out and he kind

1032
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 7: of evens out. Well, Jake, this guy's still so good.

1033
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 7: So now he's the man. And now he's up for

1034
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 7: a contract extension, not this season but next season. But

1035
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 7: this is usually when you get those deals done. You

1036
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 7: get the extensions done the year before they go into

1037
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 7: the final year of their rookie contract. So now he's

1038
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 7: been going back and forth directly with Jerry Jones, not

1039
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 7: the agent, and the agent, a big powerful guy in

1040
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 7: the NFL, guy named David Muguilea, says well, no, I

1041
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 7: need to be a part of this, and Jerry's like, no, no, no,

1042
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 7: I want to be able directly with the player. Well,

1043
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 7: of course he does, because the players it's easier to

1044
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 7: take advantage of it. Even though even though they taking

1045
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 7: advantage players and NFL contracts is almost impossible anymore because

1046
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 7: of these contracts now are are mostly predetermined because of

1047
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 7: the collective.

1048
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: Bargain Players Association and all that.

1049
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, yeah, this is done. He's gonna get basically

1050
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 7: what Miles Garrett got and then TJ. Watt got. It's

1051
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 7: gonna be something really close to that. It's done. It

1052
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 7: maybe a little bit more, but effectively, just look at

1053
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 7: what of those two guys got and what he's gonna get.

1054
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 7: But it hasn't been ironed out yet. You know Michaeh

1055
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 7: Parsons who has his own podcast of course, and to

1056
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 7: recount all this other stuff, well, he's banging the drum

1057
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 7: to create noise intention to try to get this done,

1058
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 7: to the point where he does something that no other

1059
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 7: Cowboys player has ever done. We were talking about this,

1060
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 7: Michaeh Parsons requested the trade. All these guys who have

1061
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 7: been in contracts bats Jerry Jones have never requested the trade.

1062
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 7: None of them want to leave the Cowboys because you

1063
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 7: can make so much more money as a cowboy in

1064
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 7: peripheral stuff and marketing opportunities, which is limited anyways in

1065
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 7: the NFL. But you can make more doing that than

1066
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 7: you would be if you were quested and were granted

1067
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 7: to trade to say Jacksonville or you know, Pittsburgh or something.

1068
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 7: So Micah has done that and that's what has set

1069
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 7: this part. Would they trade him, They're not going to

1070
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 7: trade them.

1071
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna sign him, right, he's gonna get the money, right,

1072
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: don't get the money.

1073
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 7: I would imagine what August fifth or something. I would

1074
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 7: imagine around the twentieth or something. Maybe maybe they wake

1075
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 7: through the eleventh hour. But you and I both know

1076
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 7: players of that ability in Caliboy. They don't.

1077
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: They're not.

1078
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 7: They weren't going to play in the preseason anyways. I mean,

1079
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 7: there's more value now in not playing football than in

1080
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 7: playing football because all the everybody's terrified of injuries in

1081
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 7: every sport. So now this guy wasn't gonna do anything anyways.

1082
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 7: So he's out a camp in California, collect making sure

1083
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 7: that he doesn't get fined, but he's not doing anything.

1084
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 7: Kept walking around talking to coaches. These guys a freaking athlete.

1085
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 7: He's fine, but he's not going to get traded. If

1086
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 7: just for the sake of argument, let's just say it

1087
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 7: goes to that bat and they say, Okay, give us

1088
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 7: your best offer. I would think the Colts because I'm

1089
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 7: not sold. Who's the kid from UCLA that they drafted? Yeah,

1090
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 7: no way, I can't believe they drafted him. I had

1091
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 7: that surgery and I realized I'm twice, I'm a middle

1092
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 7: aged man. But I'm like, they're all lying to themselves

1093
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 7: about the long term ramifications of that surgery, lying just

1094
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 7: full of it. He might be really good now he's

1095
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 7: not going to age. Well, he's not. So if they

1096
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 7: go out and let's say they say, okay, jee is,

1097
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 7: if we can get Michael Parsons, let's do this, it's

1098
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 7: going to be at least two number ones. Jim Mersey's

1099
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 7: ghost is not going to come in and pull a

1100
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 7: Fred Young and give up two number ones for Michael

1101
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 7: Parsons or anybody else that isn't a quarterback. So I

1102
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 7: can't see any team giving up two number ones to

1103
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 7: acquire a phenomenal defensive player as good as he is.

1104
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: You know, when you look mac at like where the

1105
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: Colts are, and I'm curious from your standpoint, I think

1106
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: that we you know, this is a franchise and a market,

1107
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: and you know this you're from here, you know, we've

1108
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: been pretty spoiled, and the fact that the Colts have

1109
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: just you know, for years they fell out of bed

1110
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: and won twelve games, right, yep, Yeah, And it's hard

1111
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: to grasp that since their last AFC South title, every

1112
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: other team in the division has won it twice since

1113
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: the Colts last won it. From your perspective, taking your

1114
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: connection to Indianapolis out of it, what is the Colts

1115
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: level of relevance in the NFL right now in twenty

1116
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: twenty five?

1117
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 7: Bottom third? You know, when we were kids growing up there.

1118
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 7: The only reason why the Colts were interesting when they

1119
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 7: moved from Baltimore Indianapolis. They had a new facility and

1120
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 7: they had the stain nationally of having left There's at

1121
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 7: Baltimore in the middle of the night. And then they

1122
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 7: traded for Eric Dickerson. That was a big deal. But

1123
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 7: other than that, they weren't really relevant until you know,

1124
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 7: they had that quick bump with Jim Harball leading them

1125
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 7: to the AFC Championship game and damn near winning it.

1126
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 7: But you know, that franchise had mostly been a bottom

1127
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 7: five team until Peyton Manning and Bill Polling and that

1128
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 7: whole thing lined up and they made a generation of

1129
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 7: Colts fans. And I don't think I ever shared this

1130
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 7: with you. I remember visiting with Tony Stewart, the NASCAR driver,

1131
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 7: and I introduced myself to being from Indiana, and we talked.

1132
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 7: He was great, and I said, how is it now?

1133
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 7: He said, you wouldn't believe it. He said, the Colts

1134
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 7: have completely remade that state. He said, there's He said,

1135
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 7: it'd always be basketball, but football has a place now

1136
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 7: next to it because of the Colts on that on

1137
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 7: that mantle in terms of priorities. Well, now ever since

1138
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 7: the Andrew Luck retirement, we look at it and it sucks.

1139
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 7: I hated for the city, you know, so I hate

1140
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 7: it for my family. I hated for my friends. I

1141
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 7: hate it from you all because you it really does help,

1142
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 7: and it is a point of civic pride. When the

1143
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 7: team's pretty good. You know, you're not gonna win Super

1144
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 7: Bowl every year. But I would say where they are now,

1145
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 7: they're not where they were when we were kids, and

1146
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 7: they were first moved to town and they were awful,

1147
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 7: and you know, barb Ursay had no idea what he

1148
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 7: was doing. But you know, I would say, I mean

1149
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 7: Jake as much as I hate to say it, I

1150
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 7: would be willing to bet all of my money. I

1151
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 7: may have said it to you on your show. I'd

1152
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 7: be willing to bet all my money half of that building,

1153
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 7: the Cults building, thanks Anthony Richardson, can't play and they

1154
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 7: need to move on, and they'll never do it. They

1155
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 7: have they have to see it through. But until they

1156
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 7: get that position fixed, I don't I don't think a

1157
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 7: lot of people were really thinking about the Indianapolis Cults

1158
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 7: these days.

1159
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: Mac. How old were you, Mac Engles, our guest Fort

1160
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: Worth Star Telegram uh in that capacity in covering sports

1161
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: in the Dallas Fort Worth area? How old was Miles

1162
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: Turner the first time you met him?

1163
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 7: I also was the scene. He was going into his

1164
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 7: senior year of high school, being recruited by everybody and

1165
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 7: their brother in the state and nationally, a five star

1166
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 7: kid at a local public high school. And what's interesting

1167
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 7: about that is that was ten or eleven years ago.

1168
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 7: A player of that calenber now probably would not be

1169
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 7: at a public school. He would be at some private

1170
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 7: school on scholarship. But he was at a public school

1171
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 7: and one of the more charming, bright young guys I've

1172
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 7: ever had a chance to visit with and he made

1173
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 7: a fan out of me. I really enjoyed getting to

1174
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 7: his dad, David Turner. But he was a hell of

1175
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 7: a player on a team where he had no help.

1176
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 7: I mean, just he should have won a state championship,

1177
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 7: but he was just on one of those teams where

1178
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 7: he was the best player by leaps and bounds, and

1179
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 7: he just couldn't literally was one on five.

1180
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: May have I would assume Mac in that capacity you have.

1181
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's disingenuous to say, like, well, you've stayed

1182
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 1: in great touch with him and you guys talk all time,

1183
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: But I would assume that when he comes back to

1184
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: the Dallas Fort Worth area, you have covered him, or

1185
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: interviewed him, or made the connection about Indiana and et

1186
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: cetera in that capacity within those conversations. Were you surprised

1187
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: the way things ended here in Indiana?

1188
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 7: I think only because I've done this long enough, Like you,

1189
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 7: the surprise of it is gone, I put, let me,

1190
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 7: let me change that, the shock of it is gone.

1191
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 7: But I was surprised. I was surprised only because I

1192
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 7: had heard Rick Carlisle and maybe other members of PACER's

1193
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 7: management keeping him was a priority and the other part that,

1194
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 7: and then he was gone and everything I read, the

1195
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 7: Bucks just came in and blew him away, and Indiana

1196
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 7: didn't want to match it.

1197
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: And the part that Indiana didn't get a chance to

1198
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: match it, though, mac is the thing, right, I mean?

1199
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's what surprised Indiana is that Miles Turner.

1200
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: And the reason I ask it is this not to

1201
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: lead the witness here, but so so Miles Turner, by

1202
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: all account here sits down or his representation does. And

1203
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: the Pacers don't know that Miles Turner has a pending

1204
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: offer from Milwaukee, and the and the Bucks basically say, look,

1205
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: here's this offer, and you take you take it or

1206
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: you leave it, and you cannot give Indiana a chance

1207
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: to counter. And Indiana throws their offer out and he says,

1208
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm taking Milwaukee's then, and they didn't realize it at

1209
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: that moment that Milwaukee was in play by knowing him

1210
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: and knowing him at an age or seeing him at

1211
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: an age where he was more vulnerable and influenced. Does that, then,

1212
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: when I say it that way, surprise you that he

1213
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: would have been that eager to act and act in

1214
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: that way? Is the wrong way of saying it, but

1215
00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: act upon that.

1216
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I really, you know, I I you know, I

1217
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 7: was texting you occasionally doing the Eastern Conference Finals and

1218
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 7: NBA Finals, and I wore a little bit of that

1219
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 7: one on my sleeve. The kid, the pacer kid, Pacer

1220
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 7: fan and me really came out. I had the sheriff,

1221
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 7: the sticker, the pennant. I was really into it, and

1222
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 7: I was, you know, I was somewhat biased because and

1223
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 7: I've interviewed Miles and I've I wanted to see him

1224
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 7: do well. And I know he's I know that he

1225
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 7: has been a good steward and ambassador for the NBA

1226
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 7: and the Indiana Pacers in Indiana, UH, dealing with when

1227
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 7: he's been out in the community. That's worth something, and

1228
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 7: you know, I don't know how much it's worth, but

1229
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 7: it's worth something. It's not nothing. And I've commended him

1230
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 7: for that, and I wanted to see guys like that

1231
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 7: stick around, and I want to see him do well.

1232
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 7: And when he didn't do well in the NBA Finals,

1233
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 7: and I don't think anybody could sit there and say, well, no,

1234
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 7: he did. Okay, it's not the number. No, he just didn't.

1235
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 7: He didn't unless I unless, Jake, you watched something that

1236
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 7: I didn't see. I saw a guy who was completely

1237
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 7: overmatched and had no place in that series whatsoever.

1238
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: He has come back to Dallas Fort Worth. Correct. Have

1239
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: you got a chance to talk to Miles Turner since

1240
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: his knowledge of team?

1241
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 7: No, he came back. Well, let me let me back

1242
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 7: that up. Let me ask you that I want to

1243
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 7: ask you that question. Do you think he had a

1244
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 7: place in that in that final series or they completely

1245
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 7: exposed him and took him away?

1246
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: Uh? Exposed is probably the wrong word, but yes, I

1247
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: think he was taken away, you know what I mean?

1248
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 7: And he answer your question, Yeah, he was back. And

1249
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 7: can I share the anecdote that you and I talked about?

1250
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely have so.

1251
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 7: Uh. He he comes back to Dallas for Worth and

1252
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 7: he's going to work. He's going to do a public

1253
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 7: appearance at a fast food place that's popular in the Southwest.

1254
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's over south east rather at

1255
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 7: our office in Indiana or not. A place called Raising

1256
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 7: Kaine's Chicken. And the PR guy from Raising Kaine's Chicken

1257
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 7: reaches out to me and says, I would love you

1258
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 7: to come out and talk to Miles. I know it's

1259
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 7: the last minute, would you like to do it? I'm like,

1260
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 7: oh my god, yeah, love to see him again. This

1261
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 7: would be great. And it's twenty minutes from my house,

1262
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 7: which the ease of it.

1263
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 3: It was like, oh yeah, let's go.

1264
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 7: So the guy emails me. He said, what do you

1265
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 7: want to ask Miles, which has now become standard, and

1266
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 7: I said, well, coming back to the DFW, the NBA Finals,

1267
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 7: but making it all the way to the finals, leaving

1268
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 7: Indiana and going to Milwaukee. Guy says, when you ask

1269
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 7: about raising Kaine's chicken? I said, yes, absolutely, sure, of course,

1270
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 7: for sure, that's could pro quo. That's totally normal. Ten

1271
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 7: minutes later I get an email says Miles team says,

1272
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 7: no questions about the Pacers, Bucks or the finals, only

1273
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 7: questions about coming back and raising Kaine's chicken, to which

1274
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 7: I said absolutely not. I mean, I can't be a total,

1275
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 7: just walking commercial influencer. I have to be able to

1276
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 7: add ask him a couple of weeks about basketball because

1277
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 7: if I'm not, and what am I even doing there

1278
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 7: other than being, you know, an influencer. So I was like, no,

1279
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna go. I can't do that unless you

1280
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 7: want to give you a thousand dollars, which you know

1281
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 7: I'm I'm saying that tongue in cheek. No, I didn't

1282
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 7: see him. I wanted to. I wanted to congratulate him,

1283
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 7: and I'm like, no, I'm not going to totally debase

1284
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 7: myself yet unless you're gonna give me more money. But no,

1285
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 7: I didn't see him, and I was, you know, like

1286
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 7: I said Jake, I was really bummed for him. I'm

1287
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 7: happy he got a bunch of money. Good for him.

1288
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 7: But I don't know when Allie sits in Milwaukee, I'm like,

1289
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 7: how is that going to work? But those guys are

1290
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 7: a lot smarter than I am, so maybe it'll work out.

1291
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: Mac, you're an influencer.

1292
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 5: I totally am.

1293
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 7: I'm not fooling myself anymore.

1294
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: You're an Instagram influencer. I know this around. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't go anywhere whether you're going around, you're taking

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Speaker 1: selfies the whole time. I get it right, I mean.

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Speaker 7: I'm telling you I made the wrong career choice. If

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Speaker 7: I was a young, hot blonde, ESPN would be burying

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Speaker 7: me in money right now. As a social commentator influencer,

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Speaker 7: I made a huge mistake when we were kids at

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Speaker 7: that one to the list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, right, And so why it works

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Speaker 1: all right? Mac g Engle fort Worth Star Telegram. So

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Speaker 1: Michael Parson's going to stay in Dallas, right and Leatu

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Speaker 1: Latu not going to be another market Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 7: Uh yes, and Mike is not going anywhere. And I

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Speaker 7: would give that kid, the UCLA kid, a good three

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Speaker 7: to five year window and anytime after that I'd be

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Speaker 7: holding my breast.

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Speaker 1: And that's me. He It was a neck surgery that

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Speaker 1: he had right.

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Speaker 7: Next husion surgery. And what happens is now he's a

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Speaker 7: lot younger than I am. Pro athletes, I'm not kidding myself.

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Speaker 7: But what does happen is that it does degenerate somewhat

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Speaker 7: and it's harder to remain. It's hard to remain to

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Speaker 7: maintain your strength. That's that's what I've noticed.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha all right, Mack, appreciate it, man, enjoy the summer

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Speaker 1: down there, all.

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Speaker 7: Right, was great talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Joys. One hundred and fifteen degrees down there, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: Mac Engle fort Worth Star Telegram