WEBVTT - Mac & Bone Show - Jim Szoke Interview 0:00:05.030 --> 0:00:15.370 Why are you so pretty? 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:24.060 Oh man rock and roll panther victory monday ladies and 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.920 gentlemen mac and bone show we having a good old 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:31.830 time today panthers to three and two over 500 bebop 0:00:31.890 --> 0:00:35.710 of bebop said um uh when was the last time 0:00:35.750 --> 0:00:37.350 we were over we got jim zoki here so i'm 0:00:37.370 --> 0:00:39.510 gonna fact check with zoki and the panther radio network 0:00:39.970 --> 0:00:41.810 he says man it must be a long time since 0:00:41.850 --> 0:00:44.610 we've been over 500 weren't we over 500 last year 0:00:44.690 --> 0:00:44.970 four and. 0:00:44.930 --> 0:00:49.300 Three I think so. We can check it out. 0:00:49.700 --> 0:00:51.960 They were 1-3, then they won 3 straight to get 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:52.780 to 4-3. 0:00:52.820 --> 0:00:56.060 That's then when the win-one-lose-one starts. 0:00:56.100 --> 0:00:59.100 Myron Goodman said, is this the biggest win of the 0:00:59.140 --> 0:01:01.600 Bryce era? And I had to point out the Rams 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:07.860 and Packers games last year. This is against a name-brand team, 0:01:07.900 --> 0:01:09.860 but we've also got to keep in mind of who 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:10.160 they are. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:11.920 They had the bigger wins last year. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.080 Definitely. And I believe so fully there are big wins 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.870 coming this year. from this team. I like the way 0:01:17.890 --> 0:01:22.530 they're coming together. It wasn't perfect, obviously, 149 yards of penalties, 0:01:23.230 --> 0:01:26.540 but that's a game I ask in the past. The 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.580 Panthers could probably find a way to mess that up 0:01:28.620 --> 0:01:29.920 in the past. You know what I mean? They ended 0:01:29.980 --> 0:01:30.920 up taking care of business. 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:36.059 No, and you think of like, so what were the 0:01:36.060 --> 0:01:36.479 149 yards? 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:36.700 149, 13. 0:01:36.700 --> 0:01:38.800 Philadelphia, by the way, had 11 for 84. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:39.860 They helped us a little bit too. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.810 The referees were like the constant show. I think Dave 0:01:42.830 --> 0:01:44.970 Kanellis was right. The penalties were pretty much well earned. 0:01:45.010 --> 0:01:46.030 You can't even argue them. 0:01:46.170 --> 0:01:48.570 But some of them had to be like, really? 0:01:48.890 --> 0:01:52.230 They could not spot the ball. You would see guys 0:01:52.250 --> 0:01:54.460 fall down and they'd be like two yards off. They 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:56.240 look at either their left eye or their right eye 0:01:56.260 --> 0:01:58.410 when they're marking the ball down on the field. But 0:01:58.470 --> 0:02:00.970 the thing is, like, beyond those, I was going to 0:02:00.990 --> 0:02:03.290 say beyond the 149 penalty yards, how much actual, like, 0:02:03.310 --> 0:02:06.110 yardage was lost, like, on the three returns, the punt 0:02:06.140 --> 0:02:08.919 and kick returns? Like, the actual yardage on top of, like, 0:02:08.940 --> 0:02:11.320 the penalty yardage, like, yeah, how much field position did 0:02:11.340 --> 0:02:13.100 you actually lose? I'd like to know the number because 0:02:13.260 --> 0:02:14.060 that was a huge setback. 0:02:14.100 --> 0:02:16.150 I was looking at the, what the hell they call 0:02:16.169 --> 0:02:18.510 that thing, Bone, you print out? The game, what? Why 0:02:18.530 --> 0:02:19.470 is it so hard for me? The stats? 0:02:19.650 --> 0:02:20.210 The box score. 0:02:20.310 --> 0:02:22.910 Okay. They call it something else. The game book. Game book. 0:02:22.930 --> 0:02:23.670 There you go. 0:02:23.690 --> 0:02:24.150 So anyway. 0:02:24.169 --> 0:02:24.890 The football thing. 0:02:24.950 --> 0:02:27.410 I'm looking at the game book. They won starting field 0:02:27.460 --> 0:02:31.200 position by 10 yards. Our 31. Theirs was their 21. 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.820 Imagine what it could have been with those returns. 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:33.320 No doubt. 0:02:34.020 --> 0:02:35.160 Seriously. We won it by 20 yards. 0:02:35.180 --> 0:02:37.360 That bodes well, too, because think how that was also 0:02:37.380 --> 0:02:39.910 a problem earlier on. And having A-Chan back, he looked 0:02:39.940 --> 0:02:44.079 very comfortable back there. Definitely. And obviously, I mean... To me, 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.260 I think you've got a couple guys. David Moore had 0:02:46.300 --> 0:02:48.200 a nice return, another one that was called back by 0:02:48.220 --> 0:02:49.940 a penalty. So it would be nice to have had 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.000 that field position. I think the outcome would have been 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.220 decided earlier and easier had you had those things happen. 0:02:55.250 --> 0:02:57.710 But it's nice that you can win by 11 and 0:02:57.750 --> 0:02:59.709 still overcome all those kind of obstacles out there. 0:02:59.850 --> 0:03:00.450 Absolutely. 0:03:00.490 --> 0:03:01.350 You guys are correct. 0:03:01.430 --> 0:03:04.480 It was a year ago, 4-3 over. 500, October of 2025. 0:03:04.470 --> 0:03:11.120 So you were exactly spot on there. From your game notes. How– 0:03:12.889 --> 0:03:16.440 How important is it for a team trying to still 0:03:16.500 --> 0:03:20.020 establish their winning culture, their identity, to have games like 0:03:20.060 --> 0:03:23.060 yesterday when there is a lot going against you? To 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.720 win when you're not at your best is actually a 0:03:25.780 --> 0:03:27.760 sign of really good things to come, right? They didn't 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.610 do it against Cleveland. They did it yesterday. 0:03:29.830 --> 0:03:32.250 No, that was– yeah, that was one of those– Cleveland's weird. 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.700 They won again yesterday. I don't even know how they're 0:03:34.740 --> 0:03:37.800 winning games. It doesn't seem like a terrible loss right now. No, because– 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.980 and I say that about Cleveland. Their defense is really good, 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.660 and they did a great job, if you remember, like 0:03:41.700 --> 0:03:43.620 with Denzel Ward shutting down T-Mac. 0:03:43.340 --> 0:03:45.840 In that game. And Coker went out. I think that 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:47.580 was a big factor. We didn't have him. 0:03:47.660 --> 0:03:47.960 Right. 0:03:48.060 --> 0:03:50.320 Everyone focuses on Deshaun Watts. That's a good defense. And 0:03:50.340 --> 0:03:52.840 I think with Philadelphia, that was a really good defense, too. 0:03:53.290 --> 0:03:55.430 And that's why it made it more difficult to win yesterday. 0:03:55.850 --> 0:03:58.400 But you can see, even with the Panthers winning– You 0:03:58.410 --> 0:04:01.300 still have the difficulty, although Will Lee showed strides yesterday, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.560 if you don't have J.C. Horn and Mike Jack replacements 0:04:04.580 --> 0:04:07.180 to that level. And so it was better. Obviously, we 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.620 didn't call Evan's name as much yesterday in the game 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.200 as we did the previous one with the win with 0:04:12.340 --> 0:04:15.200 Detroit the week before, two weeks before. But I think, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.040 you know, again, that's still like you can see that's 0:04:17.060 --> 0:04:19.300 like the thing, like how can we get through these 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.430 next whatever, five games, whatever the number might be, with 0:04:22.460 --> 0:04:24.909 not having the same level right there. And Will Lee 0:04:24.970 --> 0:04:26.510 is growing up quickly. I think he did some good 0:04:26.529 --> 0:04:29.300 things to two early penalties, obviously. hurt, but maybe better 0:04:29.310 --> 0:04:31.320 to get those penalties and give up a long touchdown 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.820 or something like that. So I do like the fact 0:04:33.860 --> 0:04:35.960 that we're seeing some growth there, but it's all happening 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:37.750 on the field while you're still trying to win games. 0:04:38.050 --> 0:04:41.890 What did you think about Chuba in the second half? 0:04:42.500 --> 0:04:44.800 And Tommy Tremble. I mean, these are two guys. First 0:04:44.820 --> 0:04:46.580 of all, they're like best buds by all accounts. 0:04:47.420 --> 0:04:48.740 These are Matt Rule era players. 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:52.849 They are. They are, man. Matt Rule players actually sticking 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.890 around for the turnover. 0:04:54.930 --> 0:04:57.350 Think about what these guys have seen and won't talk about. 0:04:58.010 --> 0:05:00.110 And they've lived to tell about it and play well 0:05:00.170 --> 0:05:00.550 in Philly. 0:05:00.589 --> 0:05:02.150 They both probably feel like they're like 58 years old. 0:05:03.010 --> 0:05:05.570 I remember back when Matt Rule was here. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:07.780 They've been here for a while, and I feel like 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:08.900 they're both kind of underrated. 0:05:09.210 --> 0:05:11.390 Well, and look at what Chuba did yesterday. He basically 0:05:11.450 --> 0:05:13.750 was the entire rushing attack because you had Bryce had 0:05:13.770 --> 0:05:15.590 to run it three times, but it was only six yards. 0:05:16.150 --> 0:05:18.210 A-Chan only ran it once for a negative carry. And 0:05:18.230 --> 0:05:20.050 then we had Mitchell Evans, you know, jump in with 0:05:20.070 --> 0:05:23.750 the quarterback sneak, if you will. So it was entirely 0:05:23.890 --> 0:05:27.589 on Chuba to run the ball yesterday, 28 times, 120 yards. 0:05:27.910 --> 0:05:30.690 And then Trumbull just is like, I've always liked the 0:05:30.730 --> 0:05:32.390 fact that when you have a tight end, you don't 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:33.720 know what his role is going to be on a 0:05:33.740 --> 0:05:36.620 given play. Like Darren Waller is a terrific player. But 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.560 when Trumbull's out there and Mitchell Evans to a larger degree, too, 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:41.720 is he a blocker? Is he a pass receiver? I 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:43.680 think that's what's great about that when they do the 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.479 13 personnel where it makes it so difficult to judge 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.760 for a defense what's going to happen out there because 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.520 you kind of, you try to, now with Coker healthy, 0:05:51.940 --> 0:05:54.790 you've got T-Mac, you've got Coker, times where Waller's out 0:05:54.820 --> 0:05:56.620 there with those other tight ends. Who are you going 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.349 to cover? And it's going to give Tommy a lot 0:05:58.370 --> 0:06:00.330 more opportunities. I'm glad to see him get an advantage 0:06:00.370 --> 0:06:02.750 of that. And he is a good catcher. I mean, 0:06:02.770 --> 0:06:04.279 he does a good job, I think, in the receiving end. 0:06:04.290 --> 0:06:06.070 He doesn't really drop many, I don't think, so I 0:06:06.089 --> 0:06:09.480 think He's a nice weapon to have because we focus 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.260 so much on the big plays of T-Mac and Coker 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:13.760 and so forth. You need those guys to pick up 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.700 first downs or get in the red zone like that 0:06:15.730 --> 0:06:16.500 and get a touchdown or two. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:16.820 Definitely. 0:06:16.850 --> 0:06:18.750 What did you think of the job that Will Lee 0:06:18.770 --> 0:06:21.230 did yesterday? And how big is that to have a 0:06:21.270 --> 0:06:24.010 guy play well without the other guys in there? So 0:06:24.029 --> 0:06:26.349 it's almost like a blessing in disguise that when Horn 0:06:26.390 --> 0:06:28.530 and Mike Jack come back, all of a sudden you've 0:06:28.550 --> 0:06:29.550 got another guy playing at. 0:06:29.490 --> 0:06:30.409 A high level. No doubt. 0:06:30.430 --> 0:06:32.650 And again, like some early penalties, but then those went 0:06:32.670 --> 0:06:34.480 away as the game went on. And, you know, we 0:06:34.500 --> 0:06:37.090 all know certain players are good. Devontae Smith's a good player. 0:06:37.130 --> 0:06:39.750 When you see him in person and watch him run routes, 0:06:39.770 --> 0:06:42.130 you go, that guy's really good. I mean, he is 0:06:42.290 --> 0:06:44.109 every bit as good as A.J. Brown was when he 0:06:44.170 --> 0:06:47.130 was there, is Devontae Smith. So that's a tough assignment 0:06:47.150 --> 0:06:49.909 that was mostly going to Willie Lee yesterday. And he 0:06:49.950 --> 0:06:51.360 held it in there, I think. And you have to 0:06:51.380 --> 0:06:53.540 be aggressive and you're going to probably get away with 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.360 a little hand fighting and things like that. And it 0:06:55.500 --> 0:06:58.900 kind of goes back and forth. So you take your penalties, 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.680 but better that than just playing loose and giving big 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:03.480 buffer and letting him have all this room to catch 0:07:03.500 --> 0:07:05.359 the ball out there. I like that he was aggressive 0:07:05.380 --> 0:07:06.570 in his approach to the way he defended him. 0:07:06.740 --> 0:07:09.250 I'll tell you who else was aggressive is Juro Avera 0:07:09.260 --> 0:07:13.290 with the blitzes. PFF's in-game kind of stuff. We'll see 0:07:13.310 --> 0:07:15.270 what their final numbers are. They had it at 57% 0:07:15.270 --> 0:07:20.770 blitz rate. Okereke and Lloyd, they started going after the 0:07:20.790 --> 0:07:24.030 quarterback early and often. Okereke on the first play gets 0:07:24.090 --> 0:07:26.510 a sack. Those guys are really good, and I think 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:30.340 that helped our corners on the back end. What did 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.510 you think about that aspect of things? I love it. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.000 You think of that first sack, it was him and 0:07:34.060 --> 0:07:36.060 Nick Scott both coming. That's how aggressive it was. They 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.740 sent through to the same slot, and then, of course, 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.360 Okereke could have had an interception on the second play 0:07:41.380 --> 0:07:43.140 of the game, which Really would have set the tone 0:07:43.180 --> 0:07:45.100 early on with that. But I love that. I think 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.080 that's what, you know, Joe's always wanted to do with 0:07:47.100 --> 0:07:49.660 this defense. But when you don't have the personnel, you 0:07:49.700 --> 0:07:51.980 can't risk giving up the big plays on the back 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.330 half of the defense there. So, again, especially when they 0:07:55.370 --> 0:07:57.870 do get J.C. Horn and you get Mike Jack back, 0:07:57.890 --> 0:08:00.390 you can be even more aggressive, have even more confidence 0:08:00.430 --> 0:08:02.850 about your success rate in doing that. But that's always 0:08:02.870 --> 0:08:04.770 been his style. That's what he's always wanted to do there. 0:08:05.210 --> 0:08:07.290 And how cool is it, too, that we have, you know, 0:08:07.950 --> 0:08:10.150 Rod and Devin Lloyd, well-known in the offseason, but get 0:08:10.210 --> 0:08:12.730 Bobby Okereke off the couch at home. at the last 0:08:12.770 --> 0:08:15.190 minute to get a player of that caliber to pair 0:08:15.470 --> 0:08:17.450 with Devin Lloyd on the inside just makes that whole 0:08:17.490 --> 0:08:18.310 defense feel different. 0:08:18.330 --> 0:08:21.070 And Dodson as a backup ain't chopped liver either. At 0:08:21.100 --> 0:08:27.140 120-plus tackles last year, they got him, too, in reserve. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:32.040 That is linebacker room, home makeover edition. They completely redid 0:08:32.059 --> 0:08:33.040 that in a flash. 0:08:33.059 --> 0:08:37.120 So any reason why Rob Hunt keeps wandering downfield? He's 0:08:37.140 --> 0:08:39.380 like my great-uncle Augie at Thanksgiving back in the day 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:40.800 when he'd wander outside and we'd have to get him 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:41.480 back inside the house. 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.140 I think the bigger issue is he was raising his 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.160 right hand as if he was open. Like, I'm open! 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:47.880 And then he realized that's not his role in the offense. 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.719 He's not allowed to do that. He's had a couple 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.970 this year in different situations. That's not the first time, 0:08:53.030 --> 0:08:54.490 even those two in this game. 0:08:54.510 --> 0:08:55.830 He had one against Detroit, too. 0:08:55.950 --> 0:09:01.590 Yeah, we got a runner. He's walking off. In that mode, though, 0:09:01.650 --> 0:09:04.510 how great and just hearing the joy in his voice 0:09:04.550 --> 0:09:06.209 as we talked to him in the postgame was Taylor 0:09:06.230 --> 0:09:09.400 Moten having him back. A guy I didn't know First 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.280 of all, what his health situation was going to be, period, 0:09:11.300 --> 0:09:13.950 let alone football situation, just like in life, what his 0:09:13.970 --> 0:09:15.910 health situation was going to be back. And then defensively 0:09:15.950 --> 0:09:18.030 to get Turk Wharton back for the first time as well. 0:09:18.410 --> 0:09:20.470 Turk had a play you probably saw work. He had 0:09:20.490 --> 0:09:22.530 like two offensive linemen on him, and he literally shoved 0:09:22.570 --> 0:09:24.550 them off to the side to the right and then 0:09:24.590 --> 0:09:25.929 went to the left to make the stop. 0:09:25.950 --> 0:09:26.670 Yeah, it was a good play. 0:09:26.790 --> 0:09:29.210 These guys matter, and they're like, you know, these are 0:09:29.230 --> 0:09:31.290 veteran guys that are, again, just going to help you 0:09:31.530 --> 0:09:33.960 be better on those interior positions and just free up 0:09:34.220 --> 0:09:36.900 other guys like Okereke, like Devin Lloyd to make big 0:09:36.940 --> 0:09:40.050 plays on defense, and then offensively, Having stability there, you know, 0:09:40.070 --> 0:09:43.510 Monroe Freeling not healthy right now, but you can see, again, like, well, 0:09:43.550 --> 0:09:45.830 he's learning and growing and making mistakes, and you're kind 0:09:45.850 --> 0:09:50.569 of living with those. I was shocked at Morton's ability 0:09:50.590 --> 0:09:52.270 to come out there with, I would have to say, 0:09:52.309 --> 0:09:54.870 you know, not playing football all this time. He didn't 0:09:54.890 --> 0:09:56.770 have training camp to come in and be able to 0:09:56.790 --> 0:09:57.970 play the amount of football that he played. 0:09:58.050 --> 0:09:59.710 He did, and he was real solid, too. 0:09:59.730 --> 0:09:59.910 Yeah. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.500 I mean, I think PFF had him with two pressures. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.520 I didn't really notice them. You would have just thought 0:10:07.540 --> 0:10:09.260 it was a regular Taylor Moten football game. 0:10:09.340 --> 0:10:12.219 It's crazy. That's a huge relief to get him back 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.760 out there. And then when Monroe is healthy, he'll obviously 0:10:14.780 --> 0:10:16.960 give you some depth as maybe a swing tackle, something 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:21.410 like that. So I think I know Philadelphia is banged up, 0:10:21.429 --> 0:10:24.030 and they've got probably the worst situation in the league 0:10:24.050 --> 0:10:25.829 as far as injuries go, but people forget from day 0:10:25.910 --> 0:10:28.140 one of training camp, that was the Panthers. And for 0:10:28.179 --> 0:10:30.440 them to be 3-2 in overcoming the number of injuries 0:10:30.460 --> 0:10:31.210 they've had is terrific. 0:10:31.350 --> 0:10:34.949 Yeah, and so close to 4-1, too. That Browns game, 0:10:35.290 --> 0:10:37.890 it came down to a penalty another day. We lead 0:10:37.929 --> 0:10:40.650 the NFL in penalties if we don't commit that one 0:10:40.670 --> 0:10:44.339 where we hit Watson up high. 0:10:44.550 --> 0:10:48.819 Side note, I'm watching last night. I'm watching the Cowboys-Packers game. 0:10:48.860 --> 0:10:51.680 It was both sides. Can we dial down what the 0:10:51.740 --> 0:10:54.580 rule is for— You know, hitting the quarterback. I just 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.540 feel like it's just like it's not football. It's just 0:10:56.580 --> 0:10:58.700 so much. And going back to the Deshaun Watson play 0:10:58.860 --> 0:11:00.829 that you're referring to, I just see it so much 0:11:00.870 --> 0:11:02.280 where it just takes so much. I mean, if it's 0:11:02.330 --> 0:11:05.330 not something that's actually hurting the quarterback, if you're tapping 0:11:05.370 --> 0:11:07.810 someone's helmet, like you're just touching the quarterback too late. 0:11:08.210 --> 0:11:10.849 If you're not landing, I get the whole landing of 0:11:10.890 --> 0:11:13.209 the entire body on there or whatever on top of 0:11:13.230 --> 0:11:15.170 the quarterback and the weight. But there are so many 0:11:15.210 --> 0:11:17.709 plays where you're just going, it's so ticky-tacky. They've got 0:11:17.770 --> 0:11:20.350 to somehow dial it back to where football still looks 0:11:20.370 --> 0:11:20.850 like football. 0:11:20.890 --> 0:11:23.660 And Bryce gets these, too, Bob. Bryce had one yesterday, too. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.060 The tap to the face mask or the tap to 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:27.880 the side of the helmet. 0:11:27.900 --> 0:11:29.800 There should be a certain amount of aggression that should 0:11:29.820 --> 0:11:30.540 be a part of that. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:35.330 It shouldn't be a tickle. I know I'm putting— We 0:11:35.370 --> 0:11:36.590 have 15 yards for tickling. 0:11:36.670 --> 0:11:37.800 It's like the kids in the backseat of the car. 0:11:37.809 --> 0:11:38.510 He's touching me. 0:11:38.550 --> 0:11:38.949 Stop. 0:11:39.050 --> 0:11:41.060 It's the new tickle me QB doll. You know what 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:41.300 I mean? 0:11:41.380 --> 0:11:41.960 It's crazy. 0:11:43.340 --> 0:11:45.680 It should be. Could you put a judgment call in 0:11:45.700 --> 0:11:48.540 there where it's forcible contact to the head? Then you 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.569 call it, but in your, you know what I mean? 0:11:50.610 --> 0:11:52.870 I know we're giving them more responsibility, but it seems 0:11:52.910 --> 0:11:55.010 like some of these little grazing should not be. 0:11:55.030 --> 0:11:56.970 It's gone too far. Deshaun Watson was a great example 0:11:57.010 --> 0:11:57.230 of that. 0:11:57.250 --> 0:11:59.330 You know the penalty I hated yesterday? First of all, 0:11:59.350 --> 0:12:01.540 Will Lee, I thought, granted, he tried to pants a 0:12:01.550 --> 0:12:05.520 man on live TV, but I thought that's defensive hold, right? 0:12:05.540 --> 0:12:07.520 The ball wasn't thrown yet. Isn't that defensive hold? That 0:12:07.540 --> 0:12:09.600 was about as egregious of a hold as you could have, yes. 0:12:09.620 --> 0:12:11.140 But not P.I., though. 0:12:11.540 --> 0:12:13.090 But the one that killed me was. 0:12:13.330 --> 0:12:14.870 That was public embarrassment. 0:12:16.010 --> 0:12:22.670 Illegal use of cheeks um no the tommy tremble just 0:12:22.890 --> 0:12:25.270 a really quick point at cooper dejean after he scores 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.760 a touchdown and that's a penalty these are grown men 0:12:29.220 --> 0:12:32.380 are there little feelings getting hurt out there he pointed 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:33.280 at him for one. 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.780 He said it was for the previous suplex that happened 0:12:35.820 --> 0:12:36.360 he did. 0:12:36.179 --> 0:12:38.020 It and that's why he did it he said i 0:12:38.070 --> 0:12:38.910 shouldn't do. 0:12:38.710 --> 0:12:41.189 It like you're standing over a player it's got to 0:12:41.210 --> 0:12:43.590 be more of a deal than that like at least 0:12:43.630 --> 0:12:45.429 hit him with the football or something after you score 0:12:45.470 --> 0:12:48.510 like something more i get it with the football i'm 0:12:48.530 --> 0:12:50.110 like come on man do we need to do that 0:12:50.350 --> 0:12:52.360 like in peewee football i get it if you want 0:12:52.380 --> 0:12:53.959 to tell a kid hey don't point to him like 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.960 that these are grown dudes are we really ruining the 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.300 world if tommy tremble for a second points. 0:12:59.960 --> 0:13:02.599 Children are watching how do you explain that how do 0:13:02.620 --> 0:13:05.059 you explain to someone young that this guy here pointed 0:13:05.100 --> 0:13:05.760 at somebody. 0:13:05.500 --> 0:13:11.090 Daddy raj has to raise our everybody's kids apparently It is. 0:13:11.170 --> 0:13:14.400 It's like there's an energy that goes away. Home or away. 0:13:14.860 --> 0:13:16.640 In a stadium where there's a big play made and 0:13:16.660 --> 0:13:19.070 here come the penalty flags. They have to call the 0:13:19.090 --> 0:13:21.069 way the rules are written, but I think it's time 0:13:21.090 --> 0:13:22.670 to kind of look back at, like, you know, putting 0:13:22.710 --> 0:13:24.270 it somewhere between where it is and where it used 0:13:24.290 --> 0:13:25.050 to be with some of these rules. 0:13:25.070 --> 0:13:27.339 I'm watching the play right now where Idzik had Coker 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.120 in the backfield, one-on-one with the linebacker. 0:13:29.140 --> 0:13:29.860 Beautiful, dude. 0:13:29.940 --> 0:13:32.920 And the time of that play, too, 13-7. You're backed 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.199 up third and eight, and you pull that one out there. 0:13:35.220 --> 0:13:36.480 Beautiful. Man, oh, man. 0:13:36.500 --> 0:13:38.680 And watch Bryce move to give him more time to 0:13:38.700 --> 0:13:41.750 put that little shake on Zach Bond. Bryce buys a 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.230 little bit of time, then hits him. 0:13:43.250 --> 0:13:43.890 It was beautiful. 0:13:44.210 --> 0:13:46.150 Idzik was in his bag. I talked about it earlier 0:13:46.190 --> 0:13:48.469 this hour. Like, there's about five, six plays where I'm like— 0:13:48.710 --> 0:13:51.469 Both touchdowns, the tremble felt schemey. You know what I mean? 0:13:51.570 --> 0:13:53.550 He's scaring me because I feel like, can we lock 0:13:53.590 --> 0:13:56.719 him up to like the longest offensive coordinator contract? Because, 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:58.840 you know, he's right in that mode of what teams 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.160 are looking for. You know, these young, aggressive play callers. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.319 You see the improvement. We're talking about Bryce Young being 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.890 an MVP. Obviously, that's going to get attention everywhere. So, 0:14:08.070 --> 0:14:10.860 you know, good for him. Whatever ends up happening with him. 0:14:11.179 --> 0:14:13.599 He deserves it, but he's right in that mode of 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.660 what today's NFL teams are looking for as far as 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.960 that next Ben Johnson, guys like that. 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.000 I'm kind of hoping we can squeeze an extra year 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:24.210 out of him. I'd like to get kind of two 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.030 out of him if possible. I know I'm assuming that 0:14:27.050 --> 0:14:29.610 his offense keeps bowling for the next couple of years, 0:14:29.950 --> 0:14:32.109 but I also do want to remind everybody, when you're 0:14:32.170 --> 0:14:34.050 actually good, this is what happens. I know it's been 0:14:34.090 --> 0:14:36.430 so long for us. But when you're actually good, they 0:14:36.470 --> 0:14:37.110 want your coaches. 0:14:37.390 --> 0:14:37.610 Right. 0:14:37.650 --> 0:14:38.670 You know what I mean? 0:14:38.690 --> 0:14:39.350 It's a weird thing. 0:14:39.390 --> 0:14:41.230 It's a great compliment. It's a great compliment. 0:14:41.290 --> 0:14:41.430 It is. 0:14:41.490 --> 0:14:43.850 And obviously with Canales, I mean, they're pretty much in lockstep. 0:14:43.870 --> 0:14:45.890 So whatever the offense is, it's going to still have 0:14:45.930 --> 0:14:47.750 that same kind of feel to it, whatever it is. 0:14:48.050 --> 0:14:51.980 I think they might promote from within. Like a, what's 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.620 my man's name? Hariger's one, the QB coach. What's my 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.520 other man's name? The one they retained by giving him 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.770 a promotion? Blutarski? Not Blutarski. What the hell? 0:14:59.790 --> 0:15:01.190 I don't think there's a guy named Blutarski. 0:15:01.210 --> 0:15:04.560 Bercovici! Mike Bercovici! That was from Animal House, I believe. 0:15:04.740 --> 0:15:09.020 It definitely was. Mike Bercovici is his name. ECU Memphis Thursday. 0:15:08.700 --> 0:15:09.100 Night, right? 0:15:09.540 --> 0:15:09.920 Yes. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.480 This conference, real quick, is ECU devastating loss. They had 0:15:13.500 --> 0:15:15.560 the lead until they didn't in the last minute. They 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.760 lose in overtime on the road at UAB. Memphis loses 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.750 by two touchdowns to Tulane. And the Charlotte 49ers, as 0:15:21.790 --> 0:15:23.570 you know, in that same field where the Panthers won. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.229 win over Temple, get their first win of the year. 0:15:26.250 --> 0:15:28.660 So Memphis and Charlotte were the top and bottom, and 0:15:28.700 --> 0:15:31.050 both did the exact opposite. So a lot of parity 0:15:31.070 --> 0:15:32.600 within the American Conference. All right, so we'll talk to 0:15:32.620 --> 0:15:32.920 you next week.