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Speaker 1: High school football. Man, it is hard to believe you

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Speaker 1: just sard Terry Stacey talking about it. We finally are

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Speaker 1: high school football season. I'm telling you every year, once

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Speaker 1: getting a real feel for who are the pretenders? Who

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Speaker 1: are the contenders. Kyle Nettrip joins us now from the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Star. Of course, he covers all of the high

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Speaker 1: he is going to be getting into tonight. Kyle, the

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Speaker 1: big game tonight you have your eye on would be Witch.

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Speaker 2: I'll be down at Lawrence North and Center Grove tonight

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Speaker 2: seeing the Trojans at home against Lawrence North team I

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Speaker 2: actually saw last week play really well, really really explosive,

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Speaker 2: fast offensive team, and I think that should be a

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Speaker 2: fun game. Lan had lost to them is several years

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Speaker 2: can do it again. The other game I would say,

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Speaker 2: of you know, probably equal interest would Carmel and Warren Central.

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Speaker 2: You know, after seeing Warren Central last week, really was

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Speaker 2: impressed with them. Offensively scored forty two points in the

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Speaker 2: think a team that you know is just going to

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Speaker 2: that I think that'll be a really interesting game as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, some of the others, I would say probably

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Speaker 2: So there's there's several that have definitely intrigued tonight in

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Speaker 1: You know when you Kyle look at a week and

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Speaker 1: I think it was a week ago, right when Center

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Speaker 1: You know that obviously did we learn more in that

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Speaker 2: Well, I probably Cathedral, I would say, just because you know,

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Speaker 2: they were defensively there. They always seem to play better

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Speaker 2: some a lot of injuries unfortunately, and it's all not all,

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Speaker 2: when you know, Cathedral could potentially play a new pal.

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Speaker 2: You know, that'll be one of the more interesting things

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Speaker 2: They you know, they just statistically actually played pretty well Friday,

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Speaker 2: But I still think, you know, they still have, you know,

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Speaker 2: But if they finish eight and one and their only

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Speaker 1: I just I mean, look, I've known Kevin a long time,

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Speaker 1: it's one of those Kyle, is it not, where you

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Speaker 2: You know, those are really good teams that they handled easily.

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Speaker 1: Kyle, when will we get into Kyle Netrip is my

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Speaker 1: guest from the Indianapolstar. He's on the JAVA house Peel

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Speaker 1: High School basketball and some of your previews? And I

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, for sure, we'll have actually was getting our

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Speaker 2: basically once you know, once November hits. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: You know, you had your article which was awesome on

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Speaker 1: Maybe not even by size and volume and like fandom, tailgate,

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Speaker 1: Give me your two to three best high school football

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Speaker 2: Indiana experience as far as stadiums.

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Speaker 1: Go, all of it. Yeah, all things and all things considered.

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Speaker 1: So Friday night lights, it calls you up and they say, look,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's a that's a great question, I would say. Man.

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Speaker 2: a great memory for Center Grove people who thought the

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Speaker 4: I'm going to say the former, because it's more important

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Speaker 1: slight on the NFL. I mean, I just really love

433
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Speaker 1: college football and college basketball I've always loved And then

434
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Speaker 1: when people started talking about tournament tournament expansion, and there

435
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: was always questions, you know, with the portal and free agency,

436
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 1: if you will, I think there were people that thought

437
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: it was doomsday and college basketball was done as we

438
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: know it. Where do we stand? Like once the dust

439
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: settles on all of this, I'm.

440
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 4: Really worried about what will happen if they expand the

441
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 4: NCAA tournament. A lot of people, Oh, you're going to

442
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 4: ruin the tournament. No you're not. I mean, if you're

443
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 4: one of those people, and there are a lot of

444
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 4: them out there, if you if you say to somebody,

445
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 4: would you prefer sixty eight or seventy two or seventy six?

446
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 4: I did a Twitter pol exactly that several months ago.

447
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 4: The people who answer sixty sixty eight often will then

448
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 4: said we really only need sixty four. Those people will

449
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 4: always turn on the tournament at noon on Thursday. They

450
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 4: will not ever watch whatever you put unless it's their team.

451
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 4: Indian on some occasions has been in those games Carolina

452
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 4: last year. Unless it's their team, They're not turning on

453
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 4: the television on Tuesday or Wednesday. They're turning it on

454
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: when the sixty four goes up. So you're not going

455
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 4: to damage the tournament. What you're going to damage is

456
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 4: the college basketball regular season, which a large part of

457
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 4: the media, of very loud voices in the media that

458
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 4: have huge platforms already tell you it doesn't matter. Oh,

459
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 4: it's a one month sport. You hear it all the time,

460
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: not in Indiana very often unless you're turning on somebody national,

461
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 4: But that's what they say. And if you go to

462
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 4: putting seventy six teams in the field, there's a very

463
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Speaker 4: then we start to take the boat toward toward them

464
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Speaker 4: being right. And I don't want that.

465
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Speaker 2: I love the.

466
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 4: College basketball regular season. It's entertaining, it's invigorating, and there

467
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 4: is great suspense. Think about especially the people who are

468
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 4: listening to me now. Think about what it was like

469
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Speaker 4: in the last two weeks of last season when Ohio State, Nebraska,

470
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 4: and Indiana all had a chance to get in and

471
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 4: all happened to be playing in like a triangular thing.

472
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 4: They one played one, one played the other, then they

473
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 4: played and it all went around in a circle or

474
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 4: a triangle or whatever, and it was really something and

475
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: that will be gone like that will be that sort

476
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 4: of triangle will be contested among teams that aren't very

477
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 4: good at all, I mean at all. There's always a bubble,

478
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 4: but when you get that bubble to be teams that

479
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 4: really aren't any good. I mean, Indiana was pretty good

480
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 4: last year, just not good enough. Nebraska, same, Ohio State, same.

481
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 4: They all had deficiencies. They almost got there and they

482
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 4: probably you know, you could make the case for any

483
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: of them, Nebraska not after they missed a Big ten tournament.

484
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 4: If you could make a case for Ohio State or

485
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 4: Indiana that they could have been but they probably didn't

486
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 4: deserve it. And that's what we want. We want to

487
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 4: It's like the way I describe it is like should

488
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 4: a Deans list should it, like a B minus average

489
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 4: be a Deans list student? Just to make everybody feel better?

490
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Speaker 1: Well, and my thing is this, Mike, and tell me

491
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Speaker 1: if you agree with this. If the NCAA Tournament wants

492
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Speaker 1: to expand, you know, the seventy two, seventy four cities

493
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Speaker 1: at whatever, Okay, fine, but I would hope that in

494
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: doing so, it is to allow the twenty eight and

495
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: three College of Charleston that got upset in the first

496
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: round of their conference tournament to still give them an

497
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Speaker 1: at large. If we're doing this in order to include

498
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: more seventeen and sixteen Minnesotas, Okay, that doesn't do anything.

499
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Speaker 4: It's trying to happen. That's what's going to happen, because

500
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 4: I know the science of the bracket. I mean, I mean,

501
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I've perfected it, but I've been doing

502
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 4: this for Fox Sports now for six years. We only

503
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 4: had a tournament in five but for six years, and

504
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 4: some of my brackets have scored very high. So I

505
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: have a good idea of what is next. And I'm

506
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 4: not saying that there are there aren't a team or here,

507
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 4: here or there that we'll be able to get in

508
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 4: that wouldn't have under the old formula. But if you

509
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 4: really like I was at Atlantic ten Media Day, they

510
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 4: had it here in Pittsburgh. It's the fiftieth anniversary of

511
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 4: the Atlantic ten at fiftieth anniversary season, so this is

512
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 4: where the league began. So they brought media day here.

513
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 4: They're bringing the tournament here in March, and there's a

514
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: lot of consternation there. But the problem that they have

515
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 4: isn't that they're not being evaluated properly. In the end,

516
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 4: the problem that they have is that they're not able

517
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 4: to schedule in the way that would be reasonable, especially

518
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 4: with the advent of this player's era stuff in Vegas,

519
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 4: and it's become even harder for them to get on

520
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 4: a neutral floor in Maui or the Bahamas or Charleston,

521
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 4: South Carolina, or wherever with teams at the high major level,

522
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 4: and so it becomes sort of exclusionary on that sense.

523
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: But they're not going to get in now because they

524
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 4: change the formula. At the end, it's just going to

525
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 4: be more teams from the Big ten, SEC, ACC, Big twelve,

526
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 4: and I mean even Tony Patiti said yesterday that the

527
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 4: reason that the league supports it, the Big Ten supports it,

528
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 4: is that with the size of the league, there is

529
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 4: concern about whether or not there are enough bids available

530
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 4: for the expanded major conferences. I mean, from that standpoint,

531
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 4: you got fourteen out of sixteen in the SEC last year.

532
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 4: If you're good enough, they're going to put you in.

533
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: It's that simple. And the ACC hasn't been good enough.

534
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: They talk a good game on media day in the ACC,

535
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 4: but then they don't back it up in non conference

536
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: play the Sea. He tore through a non conference play

537
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 4: last year and got all the bids they deserved. If

538
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 4: the Big Ten does that this year, and there's a

539
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: good chance that's going to happen, they'll get all the

540
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 4: bids they deserve.

541
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Speaker 1: Mike, do we have any idea yet, Mike de COURSI

542
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: is my guest from Sporting News. You know, I know this.

543
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: I know Indiana just played Obviously, Darren Devrees took his

544
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: guys down, played some exhibition games, and by all account

545
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: he is a very likable guy. I don't know a

546
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: lot about him. I don't know much about their roster

547
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: other than the fact also that it looks like they

548
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: could start the year out with four guys coming off

549
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: of injury. What do we know or what do you

550
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: feel about Indiana coming into this season?

551
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, Darren is a.

552
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: He really built toward this.

553
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 4: I mean, he spent gosh almost two decades coaching with

554
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 4: two of the great minds in college basketball. While at Creighton,

555
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 4: first Dana Allton uh and then uh and Ben mac McDermott.

556
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 4: He he coached under two of the best, and then

557
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: he got his break at Drake and he never didn't succeed.

558
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: And then he went to West Virginia and even with

559
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 4: a very injured roster, including his son Tucker is now

560
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: a Hoosier. Uh, they still were probably were They were

561
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 4: the one team that last year had a legit claim

562
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 4: to we really should have been in There was there

563
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: were there were marks against them, but they had a

564
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 4: legit shot that they could have been in to say,

565
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 4: say Carolina. But he so he has done a really

566
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 4: good coaching job every chance he's had. And so I

567
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: think that you have to feel like at Indiana you

568
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 4: have somebody who understands the game at a high level. Now, Uh,

569
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 4: he's going to have to get the recruiting back to

570
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: where say it was under Arch or maybe early early

571
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 4: under Mike Woodson they had some really good recruiting circumstances.

572
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 4: And then also you have to be shrewd in the

573
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: transfer portal. I think he did a good job with

574
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 4: some of the guys he brought in. Connor in Right,

575
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: for instance, did a really nice job at the Paul

576
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: last year. They actually won some games at some Big

577
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 4: East games at the Paul.

578
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: Connor was a part of that.

579
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Speaker 4: So I think it's it's not going to be an

580
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: immediate fix, but they will be.

581
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: They will play.

582
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: Good basketball under degrees. And I think that in very

583
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 4: short order next year, the year after, you'll start to

584
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: see the rewards for investing in the higher I think

585
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 4: he wants to embrace being the Indiana coach. I always

586
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: wondered about Arts. I've known Arts for twenty years, twenty

587
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: five years, because we're both Pittsburgh people, and and so

588
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: I always wondered about whether that part of it, the

589
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 4: public part of it, would work for him. And I

590
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: convince myself after his press conference, Okay, it can work,

591
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: And then the next couple of years you could see

592
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 4: that it really just wasn't for him. And I don't

593
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: think it was ever for him for Mike Woodson, it

594
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: just he never connected with that. And I think Darren

595
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 4: understands that you do you take on the Indiana job,

596
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 4: you have to inhabit.

597
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: That part of it as well.

598
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: If you think you can just go hide in the

599
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: gym and X and O all day, it's never gonna work.

600
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: And I liked what he said at his press conference

601
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 4: in Chicago yesterday. He was very bright and engaging and

602
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: answered every question and seemed to embrace the role. I'm

603
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: not going to say he's John Calipari in that sense,

604
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: but I think he understands it, and I think he

605
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 4: can fulfill that.

606
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: Part of it.

607
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 4: I have zero doubt about fulfilling the basketball part of it.

608
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 4: And then it's just a question of the recruiting part

609
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: is the third element, and.

610
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Speaker 3: I suspect they'll find a way to do that.

611
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: And in times when Mike was not not excelling, he

612
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: still was able to bring in some talent.

613
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned, Mike de Coursi that you are a

614
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh guy, So I cannot let you go without asking this.

615
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: Because Indianapolis is off to a surprising start. Obviously at

616
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: four and one, I think we can say the Colts

617
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: are pretty good. And then you start looking around the

618
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: AFC at teams that you know, maybe are in that

619
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: same mix of a little bit better or in a

620
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: better situation than we thought. Is Pittsburgh legitimately good in

621
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: that AFC North or are that the beneficiary of two

622
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: teams in Cincinnati and Baltimore that have had injury hold

623
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: them back.

624
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: Well, they haven't been beneficiary of that yet. I think

625
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 4: they would like to get on there.

626
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: I just leading the Division.

627
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I'm just was going to make a

628
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 4: Lamar joke, but I mean, I think they'd like to

629
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 4: have a chance to be the beneficiary of not having

630
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: to play against Lamar, is what I was going to say,

631
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 4: because he's amazing. Is they have not played well yet,

632
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: except for the Vikings game in Ireland when they were

633
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 4: quite good. So they appear to be on an upwear trend.

634
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: But they'll have a very difficult.

635
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: Game on Sunday. I know, you look at it, three

636
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 4: and one Steelers, one in four Browns.

637
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: What's hard about that?

638
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 4: If you've watched the Browns, you understand it's not as

639
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 4: simple as it seems. It's an outstanding defense, maybe the

640
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 4: best defense in the league, and you have to be

641
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: ready to play against that. I think the Steelers can

642
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 4: get very good. I think they can, but their offensive

643
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 4: line has to get much better than it's been and

644
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 4: it's a process. They won't resolve that all in a week,

645
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 4: but it's possible that they could feel really good about

646
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 4: themselves by the time Indy gets here. It's also possible

647
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 4: that they could go the opposite direction. But if it

648
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: does go the opposite direction, they've got problems.

649
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: November by the way, is that date when the Colts

650
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Speaker 1: will be in Pittsburgh and we will see very possible?

651
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Speaker 1: Does excuse me? That could be I should say, two

652
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Speaker 1: teams that might face one another, you know, somehow into

653
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Speaker 1: the postseason, but a lot of football to be played

654
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Speaker 1: between now and then. Mike appreciate it as always great

655
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Speaker 1: article on Braden Smith and the Boilers, and we certainly

656
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Speaker 1: look forward to talking to you over the course of

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Speaker 1: the basketball.

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Speaker 4: Season anytime, Jake, always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Mike de Coursey joining us on the

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Speaker 1: Java House, Peel and Poor Guests. Joining us now on

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Speaker 1: the Java House, Peel and Poor Guest line. He is

662
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Speaker 1: a friend of the show. You see him on the

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Speaker 1: Big ten Network. Dave Revsen joins us to talk primarily

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Speaker 1: Indiana and Oregon. Dave, how are you?

665
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Speaker 3: I am doing well? What's going on?

666
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Speaker 2: Jake?

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Speaker 1: You know I'm still Dave. I just said I feel

668
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Speaker 1: like I'm in week fifty of saying to myself, is

669
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Speaker 1: this the week we find out if Indiana's for real?

670
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Speaker 1: Because it just still feels surreal, right, and the fact

671
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Speaker 1: that here it is top ten matchup with Oregon, and

672
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Speaker 1: yet I don't know you know with Oregon. I mean

673
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Speaker 1: this is they always have that time of year, Dave,

674
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Speaker 1: that's called Separation Saturday, where just teams kind of separate

675
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Speaker 1: from one another with big matchups. Is this one of them,

676
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: or in reality, is this a game that so long

677
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Speaker 1: it stays closed, it doesn't derail either team's postseason hopes.

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Speaker 3: I think the latter, Jacob. I think these are both

679
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: really good teams. I mean, they're both in the top

680
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: ten in the nation in scoring offense, in scoring defense.

681
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 3: I don't think there's an obvious weakness that we've seen

682
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Speaker 3: with either one of them. I think they're both really good.

683
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Speaker 3: They've both had some games where they've played better than

684
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Speaker 3: other games. And you know, I still think Indiana's win

685
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Speaker 3: over Illinois like what else do you need? I mean,

686
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: they won by fifty three points. Like it's crazy to

687
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Speaker 3: me that there's still people who are doubting Indiana. And

688
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Speaker 3: I don't think like if you go into Oregon and

689
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Speaker 3: don't win at a place where you know, the home

690
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: team has won the most consecutive games of any stadium

691
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Speaker 3: in America, like somehow that that's going to reflect poorly Indiana.

692
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Speaker 3: Like I just don't get it. I don't. I don't

693
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Speaker 3: know what else they have to do. But obviously, were

694
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Speaker 3: they to go in and win, I mean, I think

695
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Speaker 3: this whole thing would hit like a totally different level.

696
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you might be looking at an

697
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Speaker 3: Indiana team that's that's ranked second in the nation or

698
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Speaker 3: you know, depending on what happens in Champagne. I mean,

699
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Speaker 3: you know, this is this could be a seismic win,

700
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Speaker 3: as I'm sure you know they've never won a road

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Speaker 3: game against the top five team in the history of

702
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Speaker 3: the program. I mean, you know, this would be in

703
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Speaker 3: some ways the most impressive win in the history of

704
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Speaker 3: Indiana football. So it's a huge opportunity. But I just

705
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Speaker 3: think that if they don't win, I don't think that

706
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Speaker 3: that tells us anything other than they're playing a really

707
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Speaker 3: good team tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I watched Oregon, you know, like most against Penn State,

709
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Speaker 1: and Dave where I was so impressed was say what

710
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Speaker 1: you want about Penn State, and you know they're they're

711
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: disappointment a week later in the Rose Bowl. But to

712
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Speaker 1: go into Happy Valley in a why out like that,

713
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Speaker 1: in a hostile environment, Oregon not once, but like two

714
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Speaker 1: or three times in the last ten minutes of that

715
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: game had to have drives of complete pinpoint accuracy and

716
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Speaker 1: did exactly that. I thought. Offensively, they looked as efficient

717
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Speaker 1: as anybody I've seen in quite some time in those situations.

718
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Speaker 1: But what is what is the overwhelming strength and presentable

719
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Speaker 1: weakness of Oregon as you look at what Indiana is

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Speaker 1: going to try to exploit.

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Speaker 3: I think that you can run the ball on Oregon

722
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Speaker 3: to go to the weakness, and we've seen some teams

723
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Speaker 3: do that. I thought Northwestern ran the ball pretty well

724
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Speaker 3: on them, so that that would be the one area

725
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Speaker 3: in obviously, so we know. I'm me in Indiana started

726
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Speaker 3: the year over three hundred yards for straight games running

727
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Speaker 3: the ball, and then you're just not going to do

728
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Speaker 3: that to Iowa. I mean, I wish is too good defensively,

729
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: but I think that that's the one area of weakness

730
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: that I could find, or relative weakness. I still think

731
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Speaker 3: Oregon's got a good run defense as far as strengths

732
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: say pretty much everything else. I mean, I I just

733
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Speaker 3: think they're really really good. I think you could make

734
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Speaker 3: an argument they're the most complete team in the country.

735
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Speaker 3: To your point, Dante More is just great. He's got

736
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Speaker 3: very talented wide receivers to Corey and Moore is outstanding

737
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Speaker 3: the freshman wide receiver. They've got talented wrong backs. They're

738
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Speaker 3: just a very very good team. They're gonna they're gonna

739
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Speaker 3: create some havoc up front and on defense. So I

740
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Speaker 3: think that's gonna be a challenge for sure. You know,

741
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Speaker 3: dealing with Mettelia Leangle. I mean, he's a he's a force,

742
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Speaker 3: and and you know, we saw It's interesting because I

743
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: think Kurtzignetti has said this right that like what separated

744
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: them last year from the from the two elite teams

745
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: that they lost to was offensive line, and was the

746
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: offensive line good enough? And he felt like it wasn't

747
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: and so they went out and made some changes. This

748
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 3: will be a good test of that how they deal

749
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Speaker 3: with Oregon's offensive line, because it's it's really good, really talented.

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Speaker 1: Dave Revson is our guest good the defensive line. Sorry up, Yeah,

751
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Speaker 1: Dave Repsin's our guest from the Big Ten Network. He's

752
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Speaker 1: on the Java House peeling for guest line, Dave. When

753
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Speaker 1: you look at the conference in general, you know, and

754
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Speaker 1: I think obviously up top, those that we thought were

755
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: going to be there are there. But be it somebody

756
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: that is playing more competently than you expected, or somebody

757
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: who has been slower out of the gate than expected.

758
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: Who is your biggest surprise so far in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 3: I think Michigan's actually a little bit better than I

760
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: thought they would be. I just thought, like with a

761
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: freshman quarterback, there'd be some growing pains, and they didn't

762
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: play great clearly when they play Oklahoma. But I think

763
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 3: they're a little ahead. I didn't think Justice Haynes would

764
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Speaker 3: be this good. I mean, he is really good. He's

765
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Speaker 3: as good at running back maybe as there is in

766
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 3: the country. I still don't think they're great at wide receiver.

767
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: They're very good defensively. I think it's a really interesting

768
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Speaker 3: game tomorrow them going to USC, because I think those

769
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: are two teams that you have to split too hard

770
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: to think. If things fall their way, they could be

771
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: teams that are in the College Football Playoff discussion. So

772
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Speaker 3: I think we learn a lot about Michigan, but I

773
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Speaker 3: didn't think they were quite at that CFP level. They

774
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Speaker 3: may not be. I mean, we may get to the

775
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Speaker 3: end of the day tomorrow and USC beats them, and

776
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Speaker 3: that would be a challenge for Michigan to make it

777
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Speaker 3: from there, but I'd say they're a little better. Look,

778
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Speaker 3: Penn State is a huge story on the flip side.

779
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Speaker 3: I mean they're not the only one, right We're dealing

780
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Speaker 3: with number one, number two, and number four in the

781
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Speaker 3: preseason poll are all out of the poll through one

782
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Speaker 3: week of games in October. I mean, that's just crazy.

783
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: It shows you, I think you know the degree of

784
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: parody that we have in college football right now. But

785
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 3: I'm astonished at what happened to Penn State. Not against Oregon.

786
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: I think Oregon's fabulous, and I thought Oregon was going

787
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 3: to win that game, but I mean to go to

788
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 3: UCLA and to lose, and to have so many chances

789
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 3: to come back and win the game and just never

790
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: be able to get a stop. I mean, it's really

791
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: astonishing to see what happened to them last week. And

792
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: you know they got to win out now. I mean,

793
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 3: they still have Indiana and Ohio State. So if you

794
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: win both those games, you're going to be in the playoffs.

795
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: I mean, you win everything else. But but there just

796
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 3: isn't a whole lot of evidence to support the notion

797
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 3: that they would win those you don't games because of

798
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: receiving from them.

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Speaker 1: Dave one of them that has surprised me and I

800
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Speaker 1: because it's been like all of a sudden, I just

801
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: looked and saw it, you know, kind of snuck up

802
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: on me, I guess, And so maybe I'm naive here.

803
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: What has caused the you know, we're so used to

804
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: and accustomed to seeing Wisconsin being at the top. And

805
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: I think they have a good coach or certainly one

806
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: that came in with a big pedigree. What has been

807
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: the issue for the Badgers?

808
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Speaker 3: Man, where do you want to start? They can't run

809
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: the ball. They cannot line up and run the ball.

810
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 3: And it's so weird because you think about the tradition

811
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: with Aryl Rez. Yeah, kind of the way that they

812
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: built that program. That part of it is crazy. I

813
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: believe they're lasting the big ten in rushing yards have

814
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: to they're either last or next to last, So that

815
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Speaker 3: part of it is really stunning. Look, they've had quarterback injuries.

816
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 3: Third straight year. Their starting quarterbacks gotten hurt. They're now

817
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: with a third different starter. They started Hunter Simmons, he's

818
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: a Southern Illinois transfer. Last week they have Danny O'Neil

819
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: who started at San Diego State last year. He started games. Obviously,

820
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: Billy Edwards is brought in to be the start of

821
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: the Maryland transfer. He's been hurt, so it's hard. There

822
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: are a lot of teams that are able to go

823
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: three deep at quarterback, and it felt like they kind

824
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: of reinforced themselves for just this eventuality and you know,

825
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: they find themselves here again. So they've had some rotten luck.

826
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Speaker 3: Their schedule is absolutely brutal, and so that doesn't help either.

827
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Speaker 3: I mean, there just aren't a lot of places on

828
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Speaker 3: the schedule for them to get well. But I'd say

829
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Speaker 3: those are the big things. I mean, just kind of offensively,

830
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: they're nowhere near reed expecting to be. They've got a

831
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 3: really good run defense, they've done on a great pass defense. Yeah,

832
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: it's it's wild. I mean, it's crazy to see it

833
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: because they've just been the model of consistency here, as

834
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: you know, Jake, for years and they're.

835
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Speaker 2: Just not there.

836
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Speaker 3: And it's the things that they built the identity of

837
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: the program around that they can't do.

838
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Speaker 1: One other one for you, Dave, only because we haven't

839
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to you since you guys

840
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: were able to go around as a matter of fact, paratrooping, skydiving,

841
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: into the different which was fun. Into the different camps

842
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: over the course of the preseason, you got a chance

843
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: to be around and I know at this point zero

844
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: and two in the conference, but I personally, just in

845
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: watching games, I really liked what I've seen out of

846
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: Bury otom And by that, I mean he just looks

847
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: like a guy that has a control of the sidelines.

848
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: And while I realize that he is trying to get

849
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: a program going in the right direction, Purdue looks to

850
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: me like a team that does play with an increased

851
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: level of discipline. But I've not been to their practices.

852
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: You were around it. What were your impressions and takeaways

853
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: from West Lafayette.

854
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: Well, I would just say, first of all, I agree

855
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: with everything you said about Barry Otam. He's great, Like

856
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: he's just totally buttoned out. He gets it. I can

857
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: see where players would really like him. He is a

858
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: low key demeanor to him that I think would be

859
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: really relatable for young people. I will say, Jake, like

860
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: they had they were not good the day we were there.

861
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: I mean they scrimmage and it was it was rough.

862
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: Now they everyone was getting reps, I mean literally every

863
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Speaker 3: single guy on the roster, and so sometimes you're looking at,

864
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: you know, look at a player like, wow, I was

865
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: a mess. But they are guys who probably aren't gonna

866
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: play all year, and it's hard to discern that. But

867
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: they to the degree to which they improved from the

868
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: day that we were there to the day they kicked

869
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: off the season was market It was really impressive. I

870
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: think offensively they're good. I mean, Ryan Brown has been

871
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 3: very good. I like a lot of the receivers they have.

872
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: It's been a little bit more of a challenge to

873
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: stop people defensively. Sometimes that takes longer. I just think

874
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: it's harder to out scheme people defensively, Like ultimately, you

875
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: still have to make the backle and they just haven't

876
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: necessarily been able to do that. They haven't necessarily been

877
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: able to cover in the way that they want to.

878
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: But I have one hundred percent belief in that he's

879
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 3: the right guy and that they'll turn this thing around

880
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: here sooner rather than later. Like, I don't think this

881
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: is going to be this kind of laborious build that

882
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: we used to see because in this day and age,

883
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: you can't turn things around much more quickly. Evidence what's

884
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: happened in Bloomington so yeah, I agree with you. I

885
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: think they got the right guy. I again, I just

886
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 3: think like fitting all those pieces together, It's not going

887
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 3: to happen overnight. But I think they've got a good plan,

888
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: and I really really like the direction of that program.

889
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Speaker 1: Going to be a really busy slate of games in

890
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: the Big Ten coming up, obviously, as it is each

891
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 1: and every Saturday. Dave Revsen Big Ten Network lifelong White

892
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: Sox fan, but Cubs with a chance to punch their

893
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: ticket to the NLCS tomorrow? Do you get on the

894
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: Cubs bandwagon? I can't recall if you are one of

895
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 1: these that's like a North and South Side fan.

896
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 3: No, I do not, in any way get on the

897
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: Cubs bandwagon. I would say I have, I have softened

898
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: this somewhat. In my old age, there was definitely, you know,

899
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: for years, I was just like, you know, if the

900
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: Cubs win the World Series, I'll just have to leave

901
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: the country. But once the White Sox had won it

902
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: and I saw it was a really special moment for

903
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: me and I don't want to, you know, take up time,

904
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: you know, talking about the two thousand and five Chicago

905
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: White Sox. So I'm sure it's a huge interest to

906
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: your listenership. It didn't Eve was the last game, as

907
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: you know, like my dad passed away in two thousand

908
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: and seven, and it was a huge sports fans the

909
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: reason I'm a sports fan. The last sporting event I

910
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: went to with my dad was Game two of the

911
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 3: World Series. Scott a pathetic to walk off home run

912
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: in the rain, and it is a memory I'll take

913
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Speaker 3: with me forever. And I have so many friends who's

914
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: who are Cubs fans and who I wanted to see

915
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: experience something similar with special people in their lives. So

916
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: I was happy when the Cubs won it. But now

917
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: that they've done it, I don't need to see them

918
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: do it again. So no, you know, like I'm I'm

919
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: all in on the Brewers.

920
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's wearing his throwback Cecil Cooper jersey as

921
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: we're talking.

922
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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean that's just where I am. Like, like

923
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Speaker 3: I want to, you know, I want to pretend I'm

924
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: like a nice guy, but I mean everyone has their limits.

925
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: No, that's their mind, I said, Dave. I'm telling you

926
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Speaker 1: I and my parents are huge Cubs fans. I grew

927
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: up a Reds fan, I said, when the Cubs were

928
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: on the cusp of it in twenty sixteen. I'm like, look,

929
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: it's great if you win a World Series, but once

930
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: you win a Cubs fans, you just become another obnoxious

931
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Speaker 1: fan base. Right the LoVa a loser, Matra is gone.

932
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: You're just another fan base. So I get it. So

933
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: go Brew crew.

934
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Speaker 3: Right, I'm with you, Fingers come in.

935
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Speaker 1: That's right. Better known as the President of the Gordon

936
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Speaker 1: Thomas Fan Club, Dave Repsen on the Java House, Peel

937
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: and Port guest line, Dave appreciate it as always, man,

938
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Speaker 1: enjoy the games this weekend. Great talk to Jake Dave

939
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Speaker 1: reps Some of the Big ten Network joining us