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Speaker 2: I feel like the beat right there, mark of the

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Speaker 2: re entry is perfect for this weather outside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little autumn autumn tune.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just a nice little chill here on this Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: Certainly is not mc miller by the way, like August

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Speaker 2: twenty fifth at all. I was half joking, half serious

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Speaker 2: yet earlier in the show and I opened up the

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Speaker 2: door this morning, felt I should be going to a

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Speaker 2: college football tailgate. Just felt absolutely awesome outside. We will

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Speaker 2: get things started. Did you guys binge any college football

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Speaker 2: this weekend?

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Speaker 4: I did not. I feel like I lost one of

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Speaker 5: Obviously going out Cincinnati on Saturday and yesterday. I wasn't

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Speaker 5: really checking for too much if there was any games

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Speaker 2: I'm sadly was living and dying with Stanford football on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: I did catch like the end of that, but probably

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Speaker 4: just a Frank Riker.

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Speaker 2: We get Frank Reichen interim win out there on the

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Speaker 2: Islands and no, not at all. Shout out to the

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Speaker 2: Hawaii kicker. He was outstanding as they were able to

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Speaker 2: beat Stanford Rowley for Stanford football. Far cry from where

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Speaker 2: it was with David Shaw or Jim harbop.

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Speaker 4: A with Andrew Luck as quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Certainly. Yeah, good Monday morning to you. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: starting the week off with us. James, like you said,

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Speaker 2: was in Cincinnati on Saturday. What'd you make it? Riley Leonard.

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Speaker 2: I know he's obviously a name that a lot of

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Speaker 2: people around here remember from his collegiate days, and you know,

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Speaker 2: he really hasn't had I think I guess I should

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Speaker 2: say this. I thought there maybe was a third quarterback

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Speaker 2: competition entering camp between him and Jason Bean. Never really

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Speaker 2: transpired in that way. To be fair, Anthony Richardson and

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones got so many reps as they should have

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Speaker 2: I mean he uncorked one deep to LaQuan Tried Well.

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Speaker 2: That was a really nice performance from the sixth round pick.

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Speaker 5: Well, as you know, Kevin Ry Lennard was the first

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Speaker 5: the preseason, So that right there means he's QB one

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Speaker 5: and the eyes of Mark Dyking and many others. So

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Speaker 5: that's where I fall in the right Leonard debate. But no,

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Speaker 5: I thought he had a solid half. I thought his

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Speaker 2: A great personalty, very very easy to like.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was telling us how, you know, Anthony Richison

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Speaker 5: confused as to what he was doing, but he said, hey,

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Speaker 5: you first touchdown ball in the NFL. Gave it to

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Speaker 5: his dad, whose birthday just happened to be on this

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Speaker 5: past Saturday in Cincinnati, so that was really cool. But

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Speaker 5: I thought he looked pretty poised out there, and I

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Speaker 5: because THESTI being got hurt briefly and he said he

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Speaker 5: had a handoff and obviously handed it off. But I

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Speaker 5: told him, I said, did you try to get Shane

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Speaker 5: he was like, yeah, I did. I wanted to so

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Speaker 5: bad and obviously that did not happen. But for the

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Speaker 5: progress that he's made throughout the preseason, I thought you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're betting on the one hundred and

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Speaker 2: first off, everyone saw us in college. Great runner. I

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Speaker 2: mean you even saw it on Saturday. He made several

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Speaker 2: I mean, the staff of Notre Dame and certainly Duke

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Speaker 2: develop from the pocket. And you know he was I

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Speaker 2: the first two preseason games, James, you know, he hovered

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Speaker 2: thought they gave Leonard to moments too to flash the arm. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: Yes, low developing play though right time what.

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Speaker 2: You get in those games typically it doesn't go very

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Speaker 2: I have no real debate, and I didn't have a

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Speaker 2: Sam Ellinger. Mainly they have often kept the third lineback

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Speaker 2: or excuse me, a third quarterback on their fifty three

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Speaker 2: that just confirms it for you too. Do you have

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Speaker 2: any debate about whether you try to sneak him to

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Speaker 5: No, honestly think that if he goes to the practice

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you want to run that risk.

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Speaker 5: What someone you did draft and obviously want to keep.

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Speaker 2: Them around, which give them the injury histories of the

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Speaker 4: Chatter as well.

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Speaker 5: But also they've typically kept three quarterbacks in the past,

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Speaker 2: Uh Laquon tread Well is one of the more. I

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Speaker 2: think interesting third preseason game stories that you have out there, James.

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Speaker 2: When you think of a third preseason game, you think

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Speaker 2: of the undrafted kid. You think of coleman Owen, number three,

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Speaker 2: the wide out who you saw flash again. I think

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Speaker 2: he's a great practice squad candidate, undrafted out of Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Those are the ones that you think of. Treadwell is

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Speaker 2: close to thirty. If he's not.

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Speaker 3: Thirty, He's turned thirty in June.

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Speaker 2: So he's thirty years old. You don't have many thirty

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Speaker 2: But that is the case with Treadwell. I know I

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Speaker 2: him again a great practice squad candidate. Remember the practice

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Speaker 2: not just young dudes. Do you think Treadwell pushes for

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Speaker 5: I don't think so, but I did have a few

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Speaker 4: We had our reporter reach out to me and Matt

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Speaker 5: Like, hey, you know, if you had to pick one

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Speaker 5: I told him, Hey, Lawan Treble, I do think could

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Speaker 5: Mark is just being the guy who's similar to where

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, I did have multiple conversations

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Speaker 5: but he's just telling me how, you know, he loves

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Speaker 5: Because he was like, I still want to go out

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Speaker 5: there and Sean, Hm, I am this player that you

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Speaker 4: So again, respect him.

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Speaker 5: Just going at it, which I think if you got

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Speaker 2: And I think he's like important in a room for

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Speaker 2: like Adie Mitchell. Oh absolutely, you know again, the guy

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Speaker 2: we could get into And I apologize, I know this

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Speaker 2: four James, one of the things like Treadwell, he technically

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Speaker 2: falls into a guy that you will cut, not waive.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: So if you've been in the league, had enough time

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Speaker 2: and immediately you become a free agent, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like you've earned the right to then pick your destination.

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Speaker 2: So take for example, the two white outs that shine

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Speaker 2: on Saturday again Treadwell will be cut in all likelihood

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Speaker 2: become a free agent. I think he could very well

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Speaker 2: be back on the Colts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, practice squad, and they will want that.

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Speaker 2: Coleman Owen, the undrafted kid out of a high because

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Speaker 2: he's been in the league for less than four years,

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Speaker 2: you'll waive him. That puts him on the waiver market.

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Speaker 2: And remember waiver market goes back to the draft order

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Speaker 2: from this past year. So the Colts had what fourteenth

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Speaker 2: if you go back to the draft order from April,

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Speaker 2: that's how it will go. Coleman Owen will be on

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Speaker 2: a chance to put a claim in for him. And

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Speaker 2: if you are the team that is highest in the

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Speaker 5: So just keep that in mind. I know I'm getting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna watch running back there andes to Tyler

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Speaker 2: James is cutting Waight for wrestling without he's here, And.

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Speaker 5: Obviously I'm very skinny. I can't be cutting. Wait when

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Speaker 5: Yes it is, And honestly, again, I feel like I

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I've ever gotten one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: If I did, I think Maddi would probably leave me.

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Speaker 5: I think Joel has gotten all fifty three before, and

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Speaker 5: and it's like, well nn, Joel will tell me and

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Speaker 5: And so even just counting to fifty three, My biggest

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Speaker 2: Fifty three layers, right, That's exactly yeah, message to what

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Speaker 4: Am I that negative? Well, it might be what it is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think you might poke some holes

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Speaker 2: Are we believing in the Cubs? Is this is this happening?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Reds are clinging to life support here.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully Indian Apples Indians back at home this week again

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Speaker 2: looks to be a great great weather week. TJ McConnell

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't do that? Oh, TJ strikes me as somebody who

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Speaker 4: has a clue.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's I feel like people half ass

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Speaker 3: the first pitch way too much. I feel like they

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Speaker 3: underestimated me, Like they get nervous, Like remember Alex Pierce

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Speaker 3: describing it earlier in the off season, you did at

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Speaker 3: the Cubs game, And you know he and Alex peers,

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Speaker 3: by all accounts a wonderful athlete outside of football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think he would be able to chuck

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Speaker 2: one in there pretty good. And he's like, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: hopped it. I don't know it was the mascot. The

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Speaker 2: mascot had the big glove and I got.

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Speaker 3: Nervous and the cub did nothing wrong there, just gun

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Speaker 3: one eighty two on the on the outer half of

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Speaker 3: do this with no warm up and just going through it,

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Speaker 3: and you're going on the mound. I feel like that

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Speaker 3: warm up underneath for all I care. No what warms

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Speaker 3: up for a first pick? I have to go out

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Speaker 3: to the bullpen.

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Speaker 4: No, no, your bullpen catch all right?

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Speaker 5: Still around, warm up for your ceremonial first mean.

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Speaker 3: I have heard people that do for like they practice

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Speaker 3: in their yard ahead of time, Like that's where.

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Speaker 4: Warming up at the actual stadium.

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Speaker 2: No, you need to know the diamond. You need to

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Speaker 2: go to Skyle's test or round tripper gets stretched out

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Speaker 2: by the sneak on one of the seven thousand fields

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Speaker 2: of Grand Park and tow the rubber.

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Speaker 3: Let's go, get the lat bands going.

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Speaker 2: Mark if the Indian apples Indians asked Mark Dyton, come

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Speaker 2: out and throw the first pitch. There is no chance

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Speaker 2: in hell you're hopping it. You are delivering it. There

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Speaker 2: is no way with.

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Speaker 4: No warm up. Just walk out there. When's last time?

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Speaker 3: You throw a baseball that far in seriousness, I'd be

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Speaker 3: smoking the kids if I threw it as hard as

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Speaker 3: I wanted to know I that far. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Probably was back with Ashley or something, back when we're

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Speaker 3: dating us.

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Speaker 4: It's been a while.

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Speaker 3: You can still get it the catcher.

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Speaker 2: You don't go in front of the plate. You go

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Speaker 2: behind the plate. You are behind the plate, and I

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Speaker 2: want the number one.

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Speaker 4: We know what we can settle this Indiana.

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Speaker 5: If you're listening, please let Kevin Bowen have a ceremonial

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Speaker 5: first pitch one of these days.

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Speaker 4: Please.

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Speaker 2: I want to see this tupperware night for Juji McConnell,

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Speaker 2: like he brings in the Moms spaghetti he had before.

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Speaker 6: See.

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Speaker 3: I want to do it. I want to do a

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Speaker 3: first pitch, but I want to chase it with a

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Speaker 3: beer bat first. So even if you even if you

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Speaker 3: dirt it, say no more. You're getting the fans cheering.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable. If you want to WATCHO, Mike and Ymca before it,

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Speaker 2: you wanna you wanna touch Rowdy's nose before you throw

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Speaker 2: the first pitch.

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Speaker 4: That uh.

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Speaker 5: If you are trying to do Teaday McConnell knight, you

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Speaker 5: have to touch the ground and then point up to

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Speaker 5: the sky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he does do that at the field. He does

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Speaker 2: the soccer thing right before he uh, before he enters

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Speaker 2: an NBA game. All right, plenty. To get to eight

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Speaker 2: o'clock hour, I've got again some big positives to throw

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Speaker 2: out on the Colts here in the month of August.

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Speaker 2: We'll see how much holes get poked into them. A

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Speaker 2: lot to recap from what was a busy, busy sports weekend.

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Speaker 2: Will hit on that as well. Kevin Bowen, James Boyd,

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Speaker 2: Mark Dyton right here on ninety three five one seven

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Speaker 2: five the fan, We've been talking a lot about Colts

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Speaker 2: roster cuts today. I'm Kevin Bowen, James Boyd and Mark

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Speaker 2: Dykedon alongside jeff Ricord will be joining rejoining us coming

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Speaker 2: up tomorrow again roster cuts four o'clock d By tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: the cults are typically gone all the way up into

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Speaker 2: the deadline, and they had a quarterback deadline, I guess

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Speaker 2: last week, and we heard that news coming out on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: It will be Daniel Jones as the starter here in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. And now we head to the pay

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Speaker 2: Less Liquers hot Line to get more into the Daniel

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Speaker 2: Jones background. He is Pat Leonard from the New York

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Speaker 2: Daily News Talking Ball with Pat Leonard. That is the podcast.

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Speaker 2: You can check him out. We appreciate Pat's time here

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Speaker 2: on this Monday morning.

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Speaker 6: Pat.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, sir. How are you doing great?

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Speaker 1: Doing great?

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Speaker 6: Gentlemen?

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Speaker 1: How are you guys doing?

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Speaker 2: We are wonderful. We are hoping to get a little

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Speaker 2: bit more to the Daniel Jones Giants experience. Of course,

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Speaker 2: the Colts saw it first hand a couple of years

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Speaker 2: ago when they got absolutely drubbed there late in the season.

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Speaker 2: When the Giants did go on to make the playoffs

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Speaker 2: in that twenty twenty two season, I guess let's start

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Speaker 2: with the good. Shane Stiken oftentimes brings up that twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two campaign. Daniel Jones was at his best in

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Speaker 2: that year because.

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Speaker 1: Of what I think, because Mike Kafka as the play caller,

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Speaker 1: and he utilized Daniel Jones as much as a runner

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Speaker 1: as he did as a passing quarterback. And not that

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones can't be the pocket passer, but in that

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Speaker 1: construct with Saquon Barkley at running back and Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: at quarterback, not to mention they had a defense that

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Speaker 1: they knew that they could rely on. And so really

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Speaker 1: what it was about was in Brian Ables' first year

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Speaker 1: with Wink Martindale at DC, they created a game plan,

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Speaker 1: like a strategy for how they were going to win

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Speaker 1: week in and week out. It wasn't just We're going

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Speaker 1: to roll the football out and play our game. It

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Speaker 1: was we believe we can pressure teams with the defense

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Speaker 1: and then on offense rather than putting all on Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones's shoulders to throw for three hundred and fifty yards

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Speaker 1: and two touchdowns every week, that you could rely on

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Speaker 1: ball control and also kind of rein in some of

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Speaker 1: maybe the the potential landmines out there for Daniel and

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Speaker 1: the offense and count on a lower scoring but more

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Speaker 1: controlled way of winning games. So I think it was

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Speaker 1: tied to the strategy of the team's belief and how

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Speaker 1: they were going to win, but it also took advantage

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Speaker 1: of his strength and steered away from some of his weaknesses.

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Speaker 5: Again, we have Pat Lennard on the line with the

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Speaker 5: Sea Covers of Giants for New York Daily News also

562
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Speaker 5: has the Talking Ball with Pat Lennard. You can check

563
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Speaker 5: that out where you get your podcasts and pat Looking

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Speaker 5: back at that twenty twenty two season, they started off

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Speaker 5: seven and two in the year, nine to seven and one,

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Speaker 5: really nine to six in one because the last game

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Speaker 5: didn't necessarily matter for their playoff seeding, but looking at

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Speaker 5: just the raw win lost total as it you know,

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Speaker 5: kind of changed throughout the season. Did the NFL sort

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Speaker 5: of figure them out at some point when you were

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Speaker 5: covering them?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I think I think really what it came

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Speaker 1: down to was roster wise, personnel wise, they were not

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Speaker 1: a strong team in many key areas, so they were

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Speaker 1: trying to work around with scheme a lot of let's say,

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Speaker 1: one on one matchups on the field that teams, if

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Speaker 1: they figured out they could exploit, could really start turning

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Speaker 1: the tide on the Giants, And that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: happened in the second half of that year. Dable as

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Speaker 1: a head coach never been a particularly strong game manager,

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Speaker 1: and so getting them into tighter games or putting them

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Speaker 1: on their heels and having to force them to throw

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Speaker 1: late situations like that, you know, took the Giants out

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Speaker 1: of control of games and put put more on them

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Speaker 1: having to more obviously throw. In the second half, of games.

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Speaker 1: You know, Saquon Barkley banged up for a slight amount

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Speaker 1: of that, but generally, yeah, if they were not able

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Speaker 1: to in the second half of that season control the

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Speaker 1: pace of the game with the running game, then they

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Speaker 1: found it harder to to ultimately come out on top

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Speaker 1: down the stretch of it. But I think it was

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Speaker 1: really more about the strength of the roster, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think they just they didn't have any other answers

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Speaker 1: other than what they had generated early on and.

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Speaker 4: Then follow up to that. Pat.

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Speaker 5: I know this is a broad question, but this is

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Speaker 5: the question I get often asked here in Indianapolis, is

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Speaker 5: why didn't it work out with Daniel Jones. This is

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Speaker 5: the guy who was a number six pick in twenty nineteen. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: they paid him with the Giants after that playoff run.

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Speaker 5: They wanted him to be their franchise guy, and you

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Speaker 5: look up now and he is trying.

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Speaker 4: To revive his career. I'm sorry with the Colts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean, I think I think the reason

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Speaker 1: that didn't work out with Daniel in New York. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a few reasons. I mean, I would start with

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Speaker 1: the fact that early on on Pat Shermer in his career,

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Speaker 1: he really was finding the end zone pretty consistently. The

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Speaker 1: issue was he was finding it while taking tons of

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Speaker 1: hits and also turning the ball over in the backfield

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Speaker 1: often you know, fumbles things like that. But the main

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Speaker 1: takeaway I think you have to remember from the early

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Speaker 1: part of his career is he was getting you know,

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Speaker 1: destroyed in the backfield behind a rough offensive line, and

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Speaker 1: so you saw the playmaking ability both with the legs

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Speaker 1: in the arm. But I do believe then then as

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Speaker 1: he ended up with Joe Judge staff and Jason Garrett

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, then the turnover to Brian dabole Mi Kafka,

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Speaker 1: for one, he was learning new offenses every other year,

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Speaker 1: you know, at least. And two by the time he

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Speaker 1: got to a point where he had a little bit

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Speaker 1: more of a reliable scheme and stable offense, he was,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, you know, shell shocked and more likely

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Speaker 1: to make a worse decision under duress.

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Speaker 6: And so I felt like that accumulated on him.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Daniel's game comes down to he

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Speaker 1: has I think a lot of people look at him

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Speaker 1: and they say he's an intelligent quarterback, and sometimes his

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Speaker 1: skills let him down, and I think you need to

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Speaker 1: look at him differently. He is extremely physically gifted, like

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Speaker 1: there's nothing that he can't do, you know, even out

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Speaker 1: here watching you know, Jackson Dark throw now for the

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Speaker 1: Giants versus Daniel Jones's arm in practice, Like Daniel has

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Speaker 1: a much bigger arm. But what happens is when he

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Speaker 1: gets into tight situations because of all those hits he's taken,

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Speaker 1: and the decision making element isn't always there under pressure.

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Speaker 1: So it's more like unleash him when you can, and

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Speaker 1: then when it's in the tight moments, when the field

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Speaker 1: shrinks in the red zone, that's where the coaches need

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Speaker 1: to help him out. And that's where the Giants didn't

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Speaker 1: help him up and out or help him out enough

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Speaker 1: down the stretch.

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Speaker 2: The New York Daily News we can find Pat Leonard's

644
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Speaker 2: work Talking Ball with Pat Leonard, his podcast for chatting

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Speaker 2: about Daniel Jones's time with the Giants. Just a couple

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Speaker 2: more from me, Pat, and I guess one more in

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Speaker 2: the Jones front, you know, off the field, maybe in

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Speaker 2: front of the camera. I don't know, your top ten

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Speaker 2: pick and he starts playing poorly and he gets swallowed

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Speaker 2: up in the New York and media market. You know,

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Speaker 2: that's that's a conversation that I feel like people have

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Speaker 2: asked me about. I don't necessarily I find Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 2: He strikes me as someone that seems like a nice guy.

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Speaker 2: I don't definitely don't think it's back when he's chatting.

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Speaker 2: How to describe maybe Daniel Jones more in that area

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Speaker 2: away from the exact play on the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I had a conversation with him

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Speaker 1: about this one time, one on one, and he chalked

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Speaker 1: up his entire demeanor and the way he handles press

660
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Speaker 1: conferences and just the off field conversation in he said,

661
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Speaker 1: I'm never gonna do or say anything that's going to

662
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Speaker 1: put my teammates on my team in jeopardy or in

663
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Speaker 1: a negative light. And that's his hiding light.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: So if he feels like any question or sentiment or

666
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: storyline or narrative is headed in a direction that isn't

667
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Speaker 1: positive for the team, you know, he has no interest.

668
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: He will take you know, accountability, He won't hesitate to

669
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Speaker 1: do that. I do think in New York it took

670
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Speaker 1: him too long though, to defend himself, to stand up

671
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Speaker 1: for himself when he spoke, not that that would have

672
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Speaker 1: meant anything either way, because it ultimately was about how

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Speaker 1: you play. But I do think, you know, the cop

674
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Speaker 1: in himself, he always had it, but I think, and

675
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, he was able to whether it like thick skin,

676
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Speaker 1: handle the pressure, that kind of stuff. You're absolutely right.

677
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Speaker 1: I mean, his press conferences are going to be intentionally boring.

678
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: But he does have fire on the field, you know

679
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: he does. He does have moments going back to when

680
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: he first came into the league, even of the type

681
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: of moxie in a huddle that gets people fired up.

682
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: Like right now, Jackson Dart is carrying that and the

683
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: Giants are all rallying around that. But I was here,

684
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Speaker 1: Daniel was the rookie, and everyone was saying the same

685
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: exact stuff about him. You know, the veterans were saying, Man,

686
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: I love this kid's energy. You know, I love what

687
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: he's saying. Game on the line in his first NFL

688
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: start and he's telling us we're going to go down

689
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Speaker 1: or we're going to win it.

690
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Speaker 6: You know.

691
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Speaker 1: So what Daniel is is he is an extremely tough,

692
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: team oriented person that if you think of him that way,

693
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: every time you listen to him or talk to him,

694
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Speaker 1: then all makes sense.

695
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 5: So one quick follow up on that and last one

696
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 5: from me pat talking to him and I tried to

697
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Speaker 5: get him to take the bay and I was like,

698
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 5: you New York people, I'm gonna upat for beating the

699
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 5: life out of this guy. I'm joking, of course, but

700
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 5: you know the thing I asked him when he got here,

701
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 5: I said, you came here to win a job, so

702
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 5: do you think you can win it? He never really

703
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 5: went there, and even though he's won it now, he

704
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 5: still won't go there. But as someone who's obviously covered

705
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 5: him a lot longer than I can, you maybe expand

706
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 5: a little bit more on just a competitive fire you

707
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Speaker 5: perhaps have seen from him in certain moments, because I

708
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 5: think that is what I am kind of itching to

709
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 5: see now he's going to be playing and if that'll

710
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 5: come out on the field, if it'll come out on

711
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Speaker 5: a post game speech that we might not see, But

712
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Speaker 5: just how did that manifest itself for a guy who

713
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Speaker 5: I mean, could be, in my opinion, a very nice like,

714
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Speaker 5: you know, librarian or dentist or something.

715
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Speaker 4: But I'm like, no, you're not that.

716
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Speaker 1: You're NFL quarterback, right, No, The number one way you'll

717
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: see it is him trying to like run a safety over.

718
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that he in his in his career,

719
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Speaker 1: it's actually gotten him in trouble. Like like many quarterbacks

720
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Speaker 1: who can run, you know, it's always that decision of

721
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: when do you slide, when do you step out of bounds?

722
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: All those things. Daniel is not afraid of contact. He's

723
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: often looking for it, you know. Now he has worked

724
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Speaker 1: very hard throughout his career though to adjust to that.

725
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Speaker 1: But the fire that you're talking about, I think you're

726
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Speaker 1: going to see it most when he's when he's using

727
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Speaker 1: his legs. If you go back to last year's win

728
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Speaker 1: in Seattle for the Giants, and again they only had

729
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Speaker 1: three so it's not hard to find, but he had

730
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Speaker 1: a few moments in that game where it was like,

731
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Speaker 1: out of the darkness, here comes you know, Daniel, the

732
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones with nothing to lose type attitude about him.

733
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Speaker 1: But it most often again even in that game, it

734
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Speaker 1: showed up when he was taking off and running, and

735
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Speaker 1: that's you know I was I was eager to have

736
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: this conversation with you guys because I don't know what

737
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Speaker 1: type of offense they're installing, right now there as you've

738
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: watched practice every day. But like if I'm stiching, I'm

739
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: dusting off my Eagles playbook with Jalen Hurts, And I mean,

740
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Speaker 1: you know you're probably not running Daniel the same amount

741
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: you run Jalen. But I'm I'm using I'm making this

742
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: offense and offense where the quarterback and the running back

743
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor are read optioning teams to death until they

744
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: bring an extra safety down and then I'm throwing it

745
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: because that is not only using one of his best

746
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Speaker 1: skills as a quarterback, it also gets Daniel into the game.

747
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: Like that is what gets him into games, is running

748
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Speaker 1: into and through contact.

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Speaker 2: And Anthony Richardson and all of a sudden people are

750
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Speaker 2: starting to get a little squeamishyere on this Monday morning.

751
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: I do think the RPO aspect, James, I think you

752
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: and I have seen it. Yeah, that can be very

753
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: effective with him so far? All right, Pat, we appreciate

754
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Speaker 2: the time. We'll end with this. We had Tyrone Tracy

755
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: in studio about a month ago. Great great story, A

756
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: local kid here to the Indy area obviously had a

757
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: really nice rookie season. How is year two leading into that?

758
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: Going for Tyrone Tracy, would he expect kind of the role

759
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: here with Brian Dable.

760
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the lead guy right now. Ball security remains

761
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: a continued emphasis. He had one in a practice and

762
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Speaker 1: one in a preseason game. You know, both of them,

763
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: he was just down before the ball came out. That's

764
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Speaker 1: something that bit him last year, whether it was catching

765
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Speaker 1: the ball or running. So he has to continue to

766
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Speaker 1: emphasize that. But you know, as you know, as a

767
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: converted receiver has a ton of athleticism, versatility. They have

768
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Speaker 1: Camp Scataboo now that they drafted in addition to Devin

769
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 1: Singletary in the backfield, but you know, Skataboo will eat

770
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Speaker 1: into Tracy's you know, touches and his role there particularly

771
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: maybe in sure yarded situations. He's even a good receiver.

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Speaker 1: But I think the way you look at it is

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Speaker 1: in the NFL now most teams can't get away with

774
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: just one guy, and you know they're expecting exciting things

775
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: from Tracy this year.

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Speaker 2: New York Daily News and again it is Talking Ball

777
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 2: with Pat Leonard.

778
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Speaker 3: That is the podcast.

779
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: They're Pat Leonard with us here on the Payless Liquors Hotline. Pat,

780
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: Thank you Times a million. We appreciate it. I know

781
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 2: talking about Daniel Jones might not be what you want

782
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: to be doing right now. You're busy with your own beat,

783
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: but we greatly appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: Daniel's a man. I hope he succeeds. I think people

786
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: are underselling the impact he's going to have on the team. Previously,

787
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: on the Fan Morning Show.

788
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 6: I heard that a little bit of banter about Notre

789
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 6: Dame making the National Title game, and you're right, it's

790
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 6: not everyone makes it there. Some teams win it when

791
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 6: they do.

792
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: I could feel the knife already in there.

793
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 4: I was wondering when he's gonna twist it.

794
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: Though you are roasted and tosed and burnt, Cris.

795
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: You know it's about I don't know. A couple of

796
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: weeks ago, I'm standing there at Grand Park and watching

797
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: Colts practice next to our next guest, Nate Atkins from

798
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis Star, and he informs me of uh, he

799
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: will be moving on from the Colts beat. I'll let

800
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: Nate share whenever he feels the need to what exactly

801
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: he will be doing next. But inside I thought back

802
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: to that Mark dyked and clip that was just played

803
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: there from Nate Akins appearing on the show, and I thought,

804
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: you know what, Nate, I'm not gonna miss you.

805
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 6: Man.

806
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 5: You know, do you smell that mark at all? You know,

807
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 5: I think I smell a little beef this morning.

808
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: You're drinking this morning.

809
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 2: Every time it gets brought up in the media room,

810
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: there he is over there, I mean him, and I

811
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: cannot be further in the room. He's on the far left.

812
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: I'm on the far right, and he just throws another ja.

813
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: It's just a subtle jab in there. So Nate, I'm

814
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: supposed to say nice things, but I won't miss you.

815
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: I know.

816
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 6: That's what she said. Was like the last time we

817
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 6: were in that media room, you just said, when are

818
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 6: you leaving?

819
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: Again?

820
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 6: Like, I dang it, here we go again.

821
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: In all seriousness, congrats, I guess I will leave it

822
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: open to you to share anything if you want to

823
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: or And I know some people have asked, Hey, what's

824
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: Nate going to be doing? But it sounds like that'll

825
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: be announced here soon, is that correct?

826
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna be announced by the new place I'm

827
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 6: going to. So just gotta be a little bit patient

828
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 6: with it. But you know, my wife day was supposed

829
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 6: to be Saturday's preseason game. But you know the way

830
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 6: this jub goes. Still got some writing to do and

831
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 6: things linger, so that's why I'm on here talking and

832
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 6: then I'll be writing a final story, and then I'll

833
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 6: be moving later this week, but staying staying in the

834
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 6: same kind of realm. I'll be doing something similar, just

835
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 6: somewhere else. So uh but yeah, it'll be h I'll

836
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 6: miss you guys and miss India, miss the Colts beat,

837
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 6: but uh yeah, on a different adventure.

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Speaker 4: I guess I will say.

839
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 5: I believe Nate will have a banger story that I

840
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 5: kind of know a little bit about, not obviously a

841
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: whole lot about because he's the writer, but stay tuned

842
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 5: for that.

843
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 4: But for the here and now, Nate, we did wrap

844
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: up with the preseason. We do know for Week.

845
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Speaker 5: One the startups all sort of giving our pena on

846
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 5: the decision, right, and why, in least in my eyes,

847
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 5: I would have chose Anthony Richardson or why Shane Styke

848
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 5: can't believes Anthon Richardson isn't ready yet. But for the

849
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 5: sake of this conversation, Daniel Jones is the guy they're

850
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 5: rolling with him, So in your mind, what things can

851
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 5: they do to help him get back to that level

852
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 5: he played at, which ultimately helped the Giants get to

853
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 5: the playoffs.

854
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 4: I'll be it three years ago.

855
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Speaker 6: It's kind of interesting the setup that they have right

856
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 6: now when they relate it back to that twenty twenty

857
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 6: two Giant season, because that was the year that Saquon

858
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 6: Barkley went crazy, and it just complimented really well that

859
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 6: Daniel Jones play safe and efficiently of the lowest interception

860
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 6: percentage in the league only through fifteen touchdown passes, but

861
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 6: he only had five interceptions and ran really well in

862
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 6: addition to Saquon Barkley, So they've got that with Jonathan Taylor.

863
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 6: It's also interesting that they have the Giants assistant offensive

864
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 6: line coach at the time and the Giants running backs

865
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Speaker 6: coach at the time, so they are really trying to

866
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Speaker 6: recreate a lot of what that offense was while banking

867
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Speaker 6: on an idea of their offensive line being stronger. You're

868
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Speaker 6: having a lot better weapons for him to throw to.

869
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Speaker 6: He didn't really have that at that time. He didn't

870
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Speaker 6: really have it outside of the weak neighbors for for

871
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 6: just like ten games last season. So you know they're

872
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 6: hoping that if they can get him in a passing game,

873
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 6: that that can distribute the ball to players in space,

874
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 6: that Shane Syken can scheme up, whether it's manner zone

875
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Speaker 6: coverage in bank on yak plays, that they can do

876
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 6: that with Michael Pittman Junior, Alec Pearce, Josh Downs, Tommy Ward,

877
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 6: and Nady Mitchell. You know. So they're really banking on

878
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 6: everybody else being the stars around the quarterback. That's what's

879
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 6: flipped so much since when they drafted Anthey Richardson, he

880
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 6: was supposed to eventually become that guy who elevates everything

881
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 6: around him. And part of it, I think is that

882
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 6: they believe their receiving core is a lot better than

883
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 6: it was when they drafted Anthony in twenty twenty three.

884
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 6: And part of it is just that they've they've really

885
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 6: hammered in on or zoned in on the sort of

886
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 6: operational consistency type stuff, which, to be honest with you,

887
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 6: I don't know that Daniel Jones is what I would

888
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 6: call consistent. I do think he is a guy that

889
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 6: is a little bit more He's more durable than Anthony,

890
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 6: and he's more accurate on the short range passes. And

891
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 6: you know, he is more operational, and so they're going

892
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 6: to bank on scheme and you know, surrounding talent to

893
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 6: elevate him. And they've got to stay healthy though, because

894
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 6: I don't think this model is going to work if

895
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 6: Jonathan Taylor goes down, and you can say the same

896
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 6: thing for a couple of these skill players in offensive linemens.

897
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 6: So if everything kind of goes the way they want

898
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 6: it to with the offense around Daniel Jones, he can

899
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 6: kind of be that guy who distributes. And I think

900
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 6: that's what the banking on.

901
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: And that's Nate Akins Inneapolis, star on the Colts beat

902
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: for not much longer, but he's with us here on

903
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: this Monday morning.

904
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 6: Nate.

905
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: I thought you did an excellent piece last week, kind

906
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: of ten thoughts on, you know, the starting of Daniel

907
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 2: Jones and maybe the missteps the Colts took with Anthony

908
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: Richards And was there a point in there that you

909
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: found particularly interesting as you know, you went way back,

910
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: you know, all the way to that twenty twenty three

911
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: draft process, which I thought was a nice in depth

912
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: look at the entire what I've label kind of an

913
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: organizational failure.

914
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, what I do is I just go back to

915
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 6: that spring and how pretty much they spent every waking

916
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 6: hour in the spring of twenty twenty three to figure

917
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 6: out what quarterback they were going to take, and that

918
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 6: drove the hire of Shane Steichen, and you know, you know,

919
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 6: all the guys that they interviewed, you know, had these

920
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 6: thoughts and ideas prepared about the quarterbacks in that draft

921
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 6: and what they were looking for. And if you go

922
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 6: back to what they said almost all the way pretty

923
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 6: much up until the combine, they Chris Ballard and Shane

924
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 6: Styke and both talked about how much they liked to

925
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 6: trade such as accuracy and leadership and the obsession of

926
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 6: the position. And there ultimately was one player I think

927
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 6: they were really talking about that ended up in that draft,

928
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 6: which was c. J. Stroud. And the problem, though, is

929
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 6: they got to the combine where Anthony Richardson gets out

930
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 6: there and he puts on the greatest show that the

931
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 6: league has ever seen at the quarterback position, and they're

932
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 6: combining that with these reports from Morocco Brown down at

933
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 6: the Florida practices about this guy's making some of the

934
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 6: throws and plays on the run that he's never even seen.

935
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 6: He had en up having a quote later on where

936
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 6: he said that Anthony Richardson's floor is higher than most

937
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 6: quarterback ceiling, and so they just got really wrapped up

938
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 6: in the hype of this quarterback. It was very exciting

939
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 6: at the time, and the whole league was trying to

940
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 6: understand quite what this guy can be. When he did

941
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 6: it started very much and he had a completion precentaion

942
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 6: a low with the talent was so outrageous, and I

943
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 6: think they banked on the idea that Shane Styke and

944
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 6: work with a lot of different quarterbacks, whether that was

945
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 6: you know, Jalen Hurts as a mobile quarterback and whether

946
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 6: that was Philip Rivers as the pocket quarterback, But that

947
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 6: was only true stylistically, I think in terms of are

948
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 6: they runners, are they throwers? Are they deep ball? Are

949
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 6: they short range? What he had never really done is

950
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 6: develop a kid who has not played before and didn't

951
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 6: have this kind of baseline of knowledge and wasn't already

952
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 6: obsessive at the position. He had something very different in

953
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts and Justin Herbert who played so much in college.

954
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 6: And so that's what I think stood out to me

955
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 6: is just that they abandoned what they were looking for

956
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 6: in a quarterback for just about a one month stretch

957
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 6: or I guess two month stretch between the combine and

958
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 6: draft day. But also they let a draft board spit

959
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 6: out a quarterback to them because they didn't want to

960
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,959
Speaker 6: trade up. So by the time they had the number

961
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 6: four pick, you know, they definitely liked the Anthony Richardson

962
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 6: more than Will Levis, but it wasn't an Anthony Richardson

963
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 6: versus c. J. Straud debate in their eyes because they

964
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 6: weren't going to trade up to make that. They couldn't

965
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 6: find the conviction and they were in love with Anthony

966
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 6: enough to do it. So there's a lot to be

967
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 6: excited for with Anthony Richardson, but I don't think it

968
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 6: fit the sort of conviction and plan you need to

969
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 6: make these kind of quarterbacks work.

970
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 5: So to pivot away from the quarterback conversation briefly, Nate,

971
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 5: we know that tomorrow is cut down day. Hitch a

972
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 5: three man roster. I do not believe you will be

973
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 5: on it since you're leaving us. However, when you look

974
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 5: at some of these position battles, what group do you

975
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 5: think might have like the closest call, or is there

976
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 5: somebody in mind that you think, you know should make

977
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 5: the team, might not make the team? Just who we

978
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 5: are some bubble guys send out to you.

979
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll say the first cut's already in because that's me.

980
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 6: But going on to actual guys on the team that

981
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 6: won't be here, you know, I think it's I think

982
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 6: injuries took out a lot of the surprises as far

983
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 6: as like guys that are actually going to cut, you know,

984
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 6: just losing Hunter Waller and Justin Wally, and if they

985
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 6: end up moving a couple other guys injured reserve, like

986
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 6: I think they're considering with Jalen Jones and Jalen Carlis

987
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 6: are two guys that could be options for that. I

988
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 6: don't think they're going to end up cutting guys that

989
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 6: you otherwise would be that surprised about. But it doesn't

990
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 6: mean they're going to keep a few guys that that

991
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 6: might not have otherwise made it. I think Jonathan Edwards,

992
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 6: the undirafted cornerback, is one of those that's going to

993
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 6: make it, partly because they just had so many injuries there,

994
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 6: but they really like what they've seen out of him

995
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 6: from like a recovery speed standpoint, It's similar to when

996
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 6: Dallas Flowers was that undrafted player and he could he

997
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 6: just had all this athleticism and they wanted to tap

998
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 6: to that and see what they could do with it.

999
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 6: It fits well better and this ism than the last

1000
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 6: with Loui an Arumo playing a lot of man coverage

1001
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 6: and he is not, in their eyes, looked scared or

1002
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 6: panicked out there. So he has a lot to work on,

1003
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 6: of course, but he seems to have enough of the

1004
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 6: instincts and feel and confidence for the position. With the

1005
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 6: recovery speed, I think that's going to be a guy

1006
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 6: that's going to surprise you know, few people. And then

1007
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 6: I think Daniel Scott sort of sealed his entrance to

1008
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 6: the fifty three man roster with the pick six and

1009
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 6: just having a healthy camp for the first time after

1010
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 6: he's missed two seasons. Like the front office has always

1011
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 6: really loved Daniel Scott. They have an opening it backed

1012
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 6: up strong safety after Hunter Waller's injury, and they like

1013
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 6: what he does on special teams. So those are a

1014
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 6: couple of guys that I think coming into camp people

1015
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 6: weren't really talking about or thinking about that I think

1016
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 6: are going to make this team.

1017
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: Well, Nate.

1018
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: As much as it pains me to say it, it

1019
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: is a sincere we will miss you, I guess maybe

1020
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm allowed to say it. Maybe

1021
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: in early congrats, but I won't miss the Ohio State

1022
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: banter by any means. But no, in all seriousness, loved

1023
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: just watching you work. Great, great written work, and I

1024
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: thought very thorough and just the questions you asked and

1025
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: always found myself. Man, that's a great question. I really

1026
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: feel like that's going to lead to an awesome answer.

1027
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: So we're gonna miss you here man.

1028
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 5: Before we saw it off, do you have like a

1029
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 5: favorite story, favorite game, you cover, favorite moment, give us

1030
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 5: some some of your favorites on the way out?

1031
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 6: Okay, well, yeah, I appreciate, definitely appreciate working with both

1032
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 6: of you guys who also grind like none other to

1033
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 6: do it on the radio and then show up every day.

1034
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 6: I just get to do one of those, so it's

1035
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 6: a little easier to work hard on my my lane.

1036
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 6: But yeah, there's there's so many memories in just three

1037
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 6: and a half seasons, and when I go back to

1038
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 6: you know, we can focus on some of the craziest

1039
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 6: stories that will ever happen. I've never heard of, you know,

1040
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 6: contract dispute the way that Jonathan Taylor had it with

1041
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 6: the tweets being traded back and forth and Jim Mersey

1042
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 6: coming off a luxury bus for a postgame press conference

1043
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 6: of sorts, the Jeff Saturday introduction and that whole ride

1044
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 6: was crazy. But to me, on the positive en, I

1045
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 6: just think to a couple of performances I've never seen before.

1046
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 6: You know, that was Jonathan Taylor against the Bills in

1047
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 6: twenty twenty one when he ran for four touchdowns and

1048
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 6: caught one against the number one defense. Just a moment

1049
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 6: where everyone knew in the stadium who's getting the ball,

1050
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 6: absolutely nobody could do anything about it. And then Matt

1051
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 6: Gay in twenty twenty three in Baltimore. It's shocking to

1052
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 6: think that they took down Lamar Jackson on the road

1053
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 6: with Gardner minshew in Zach Moss as there is their backfield,

1054
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 6: and they did it because they had a kicker who

1055
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 6: hit was it, four fifty plus hour field goals and

1056
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 6: including a game winner and actually out did Justin Tucker

1057
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 6: in his building. So those two performances kind of stand

1058
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 6: out to me as like as rocky as this has been,

1059
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 6: and crazy as it's been, and maybe not high end

1060
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 6: ceiling for the most part, there's two performances that I

1061
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 6: would put up there with any f seen in my career.

1062
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would certainly echo all of that. Well night,

1063
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna miss your brother, Thank you for making time

1064
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: for us here, and we will certainly chat with you

1065
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: down the road.

1066
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 6: Yep. Thanks as always, guys,