1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Lie from val Hartland and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. Everyone and their. 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 3: Mother wants to tell you about what's going to happen 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 3: in the meeting with Trump and Putin. I'm not going 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 3: to do that. I have absolutely no idea what's going 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: to happen. My vested interest is in getting the information 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 3: and making a decision from there. Do I need Vladimir 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: Putin to say, we'll do whatever you want, just please 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 3: stop with the sanctions. That would be great, but that's 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 3: not going to happen. That's not going to be it. 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 3: I'm not only not gonna stop, but we're going to 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: go further, and U Grain's gonna give up their land 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 3: and there's nothing you could do about it. I don't 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: think that's coming either. The idea that we have a 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: clue of how this conversation. 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: Is going to go. 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: Is affable, and the idea that there are so many 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: people in cable news so absolutely. 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: Desperate to have an opinion. 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: You can't just say, well, let them talk and let's 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: see what happens. Well, you can't trust Vladimir Putin, Well, yeah, 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: we know we can't trust Ladimir Putin. Well, Trump's gonna 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: fall for out of all of Vladimir's games. What are 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: you talking about? What games and what falling for? Well, 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: you know, he's trained KGB and he's just gonna appeal 26 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: to Trump's ego and the next thing, you know, he's 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: gonna walk all over him. The Russian military has proven 28 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: themselves to be incompetent and incapable. 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: Walk all over whom with what. 30 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: These this whole thing is is just it's all just wait, 31 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: what's the best word for it. 32 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: Crap, that's it. It's all just crap. 33 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: When you hear America's favorite beta mail, Senator Chris Murphy 34 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: of Connecticut. 35 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: Well, the first thing that's happening here is the welcoming 36 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: of Putin back into the order of major mainstream nations. 37 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: He is visiting the United States. 38 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: For the first time since he became a war criminal. 39 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: He is standing with the most powerful person in the world, 40 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: and it is a sign from Donald Trump essentially that 41 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: all is forgiven. And so this is a big moment 42 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: for Putin because he essentially is being legitimized in the 43 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: eyes of the United States and in the eyes of 44 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: the world. 45 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: Do you know how absolutely radically daft that is? But 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: of course it is. 47 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: It's from Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut. Do you want 48 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: this to stop? How does it stop without talking to 49 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: Vladimir Putin? Well, the answer is it stops when you 50 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: fire bullets at r heads. That's the argument. That's the argument. 51 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: It stops when you shoot at their skull. Now, the question, 52 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: tough guy, Chris Murphy. 53 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: Is that what you're going to do? Now? 54 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: If you say to me, well, Tony, that's not what 55 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: he meant. I just heard what he said. You're legitimizing 56 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: Vladimir Putin. That's what Donald Trump is doing. And the 57 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: whole world season the whole world understands he might need 58 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: to talk to a guy to create a deal with 59 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: the guy to get the thing to stop. 60 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: And I would. 61 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: Argue that Trump is truly, on a very personal level, 62 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: he wants this done. He wants it done because, yes, 63 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: he made the promise that he would stop the war 64 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: on day one, and that was, of course a ridiculous 65 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: thing to say. And I must admit that anybody in 66 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: Magaville who believed it, that's unserious. We should question whether 67 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 3: you should be able to operate heavy machinery. You really 68 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: thought he was going to be able to do this 69 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: on day one. Foolhardy, foolhardy statement, this never would have 70 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: happened if I was in office. Well we'll never know, 71 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: but I think that the odds were certainly stronger that 72 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: the proper pressure could have been applied to ensure that 73 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: it didn't happen. 74 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: With Trump. 75 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you could have guaranteed it, but you 76 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: could argue that he could have better finessed the situation 77 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: to keep something from happening, at least while he was 78 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: in office. But here we are now, so none of 79 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: that matters, none of it. But yes, you'd be crazy 80 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: to think that Trump was going to solve this in 81 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 3: a day. But if you're not going to solve it 82 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 3: with diplomacy, you're going to solve it with bullets. This 83 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: is what Senator Christmer is advocating. He won't admit to that, 84 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: but that's what he's advocating. But don't worry, he's not 85 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 3: done being full on beta beta beta. 86 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,119 Speaker 1: We know there's not going to be any major piece 87 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: deal here, largely because one of the party so the 88 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: War isn't at the table. You can't sign a piece 89 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: agreement if Selenski isn't there and so there's not going 90 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: to be any breakthrough. And my worry is that, well, 91 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: the photo op in and of itself, essentially legitimizes war crimes, 92 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: telegraphs to other autocrats or evil men around the world 93 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: that they can get away with murdering civilians and still 94 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: get a photo op with the president of the United States. 95 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: It could get worse because if there is no agreement, 96 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 1: if Putin thumbs his nose at Trump and then Trump 97 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: does not follow through with more weapons for Ukraine or 98 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: with any sanctions, then it's essentially the final green light 99 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: to Putin. 100 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: First things first, Putin doesn't need any green lights. 101 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: Putin can just keep at this and keep at this, 102 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 3: and keep at this, no question. 103 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: He can keep at this and keep doing this. 104 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 3: You know, this whole idea of who has the upper hand, 105 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: No one has or doesn't have upper hand. There's no 106 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 3: hand to be had. You know, he was at sidebel 107 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 3: Diet hand. Putin can keep going at this. The only 108 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: way he's going to be stopped is by bullets and 109 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: hardware and possibly by troops. Again, we go back to 110 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: that theory. But it can get worse. What do you 111 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: mean it can get worse? I just explained as any 112 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: rational person would know that he doesn't have to stop anything. 113 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: The question is what can he get? Does he need 114 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: an off ramp? Does Vladimir Putin need an off ramp? 115 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 3: And one could argue yes, that he would appreciate the 116 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 3: idea of stopping this has not gone well. Yes he 117 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: can win it, Yes he can outlast Ukraine, but there's 118 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: a cost. There's a real, legitimate cost. Bodies are piling up. 119 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 3: As much as Trump has an issue with war, he 120 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: really doesn't want to see this. Putin understands that there 121 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: is a reality, and the reality is the cost, and 122 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: maybe he needs some time to regroup, and all politics 123 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: are local, et cetera. So he could be looking for 124 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: an off ramp, but he doesn't necessarily need to stop. 125 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: He could beat the Ukrainians at this. He can win 126 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: this war of attrition, even if it damages himself and 127 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: the Russian nation. So the idea that it could be. 128 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: Worse is just is just foolhardy. 129 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 3: And why would I now believe that Trump isn't going 130 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: to follow through with more weapons for Ukraine or not 131 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: engage sanctions. 132 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: What has he shown about that? 133 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: He has shown, Yes, he'll do sanctions, and he has 134 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: shown yes he'll provide weapons to Ukraine. 135 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: Both things are things. 136 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: That Senator Chris Murphy are saying, Well, what if he's 137 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: just making it up as he goes along? Reality tells 138 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: us a much much different story. Now to this point 139 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: about how you can't have a peace deal with Ukraine, 140 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: not at the table when you are negotiating a piece 141 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: between two nations. Here's how it works. 142 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: Now. 143 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: I am not an expert, but I have read a book, 144 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: and I have stayed at a holiday and express so 145 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: I think I've got this well in hand. Here's how 146 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: a peace deal works. Two nations, two parties meet. One 147 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: party says we surrender, and the other party says, we 148 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 3: accept your surrender, and there's the peace deal between two parties. 149 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: That's how that works. If Russia and Ukraine are going 150 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: to be engaged in a peace deal, that means Ukraine 151 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: is surrendering. 152 00:08:54,440 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: Do we not understand? Are we all insane? You guys 153 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: have known me now for a while. Some of you 154 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: might be new. Hey, welcome to the show. And Tony Katz, 155 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: how you doing? How's your mother? 156 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: Some of you guys we've been old friends and we 157 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: have had many a bourbon together. 158 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: I have believed in day one. 159 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: From day one, in sending bullets to Ukraine and sending 160 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: weapons to Ukraine, I've been opposed to engaging in no 161 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: fly zones or patrolling no fly zones. I oppose sending 162 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 3: troops in every way. I oppose sending dollars because I'm 163 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 3: not paying for somebody's vacation in Ukraine, but bullets and hardware. 164 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: I believe in the Russians are the threat. The Russians 165 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: are the problem. The Russians are guilty. I don't give 166 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: a damn what Tucker says the Russians did this. I 167 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: have been clear on my positioning since day one. If 168 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: anybody thinks that Vladimir Zelenski is in any position to 169 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 3: negotiate a peace, they are crazy. 170 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: He is only in a position to surrender. 171 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: The only survival opportunity that Vladimir Zelenski Ukraine has is US, 172 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 3: a NATO force of twenty five thousand plus with guns 173 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 3: pointed at Russian skulls. 174 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: Do you think that's coming. 175 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: Everything about Ukraine is predicated on US being there for 176 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: them everything, which is why. 177 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: And this was always a true argument. Magaville had it 178 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 2: right from the beginning and it was insane from Zelenski. 179 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: Dear gosh, man, could you be a little nicer? Could 180 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: you could just stop lecturing to us? Could you stop 181 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: telling us we're not doing enough? 182 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: What the hell? What the hell? 183 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: Man? Could you stop making it all about you and 184 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: find some other way to talk to us that would 185 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 3: bring more people to your side. Ah, Zelenski screwed up. 186 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 3: Started off super strong because he stayed, then screwed it 187 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: all up, and then did the photo ops with his wife. 188 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: And said, what what is this? What are you doing? 189 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 2: He did this to himself. A lot of the bad 190 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: blood is him. Even Joe Biden had. 191 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 3: To say, my god, could you just stop being so 192 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 3: absolutely insane and cavalier around us? 193 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: Could you just be a little nicer? I mean, that's there. 194 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: There there's something true about about Zelenski's mindset and personality, 195 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: and it's it's it's it's caustic. It is not easy 196 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: and even when he's doing it right. You know, I've 197 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: talked about the Oval Office meeting. I believe it was 198 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: Jadi Vance that screwed it up. Jd Vance was not 199 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 3: prepared for the response from Zelenski. If you keep talking 200 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: about diplomacy and diplomacy. We signed this with you, Russia. 201 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: We signed that with Russia. We did this, we did that. 202 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 3: Russia disregards everything. What diplomacy are you talking about? And 203 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: then Vance went into could you at least you should 204 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: be thanking us? 205 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: Could you at least say thank you? That was a. 206 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: Pivot because he had lost the argument, and it bothered 207 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: me and it still bothers me to some extent because JD. 208 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: Vance is way smarter than that, and he just he 209 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: lost it. And then when Zelenzki started going down the 210 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: road of you will see regarding Russia, that's when Trump 211 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 3: very rightfully stepped in and said. 212 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: You don't talk to us like that. No one's going 213 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: to talk to me like that in the Oval office, 214 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: no one. 215 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 3: And Trump was one thousand percent right. And I don't 216 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: know if it's a difference in personality or. 217 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: It was age. And I don't mean that in a 218 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: disparaging way. 219 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: This was just a little bit of exer real experience 220 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: from Trump being thirty plus years Jade Vance's senior, knowing 221 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: how to make that turn the minute he heard the 222 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: thing and taking the conversation back because Vance lost that one, 223 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: and it was the first time like that was really 224 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: a mistake. And I've seen some other things where I'm like, 225 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 3: you know, Advance does run for president. I'm not so 226 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: sure jd Vance can take a punch to the face. 227 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: I am not so sure in a mono imano, I'm 228 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: against other Republicans who want the White House. Whether or 229 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: not he could take direct hits, I'm maybe I'm wrong, 230 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong. He has given some great speeches about 231 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: freedom of speech. He has been very, very solid in 232 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: a host of things. Some things that's just man, I 233 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: expected a little bit more. Maybe the expectation was too high. Possibly, 234 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: but move up past this and get into that reality. 235 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 3: Zelensky has been hard to deal with. He has definitely 236 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: turned people off to his cause. Undoubtedly true. But it 237 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: was Ukraine that was attacked, Ukraine that was invaded, and 238 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 3: I don't care what you tell me about Ukraine. This, 239 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 3: Ukraine that, and the government Russia started this. That's my point. 240 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: So I support keeping Russia at bay, costing them tremendou 241 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 3: this amount of dollars, and I don't care how many 242 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 3: bodies let them surrender. 243 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 2: That would be my desire, And I favor the. 244 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 3: Bumper between Russia and NATO nations so it's one lest 245 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: thing for US as a NATO nation to worry about. 246 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: Ukraine should never be a NATO nation, never ever, never ever, 247 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: never ever. 248 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: But Ukraine can't negotiate a piece. 249 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: And you have to be quite literally Senator Chris Murphy 250 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: daft to think that they can. They'd have to agree 251 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: to a deal, but they can't negotiate a piece because, 252 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: as President Trump said in that White House meeting, you 253 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: don't have the hand. You don't have the cards. You 254 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: don't your only card is we surrender. In every single situation, 255 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: the Ukrainians are two seven off suit. 256 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: They have nothing, zero less than zero to negotiate with. 257 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: They have us in NATO the end. 258 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 3: So yes, it should be the United States engage in 259 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 3: this meeting to the extent, you know, because some people 260 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: say we don't even need the meeting, right, some people 261 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: would be very clear, why in the world are we 262 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: having the meeting. This is not our pig, this is 263 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 3: not our farm. We shouldn't be in this at all. 264 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: I disagree with them. Of course, you might agree with them. 265 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: We may have a disagreement about this, and that's all right. 266 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 3: But as for Trump in this meeting, I want them 267 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: to be forthright with us. What did Putin say? Is 268 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: there a way to end this? How is a way 269 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 3: to end this? Do we think the cost is too high? 270 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: Yes? 271 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: Or no? I'm waiting on that information, and there is 272 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: nothing else to wait on. 273 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: There is only seeing if we get the info. What 274 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: is it that we learned? 275 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: Everybody who's prejudging this thing, everybody who's prethinking this meeting, 276 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: My god, they're just so desperate to hate, so absolutely 277 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: bitter and angry. I got a place for him. I 278 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: don't want any part of them. You shouldn't be paying 279 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: attention to them. They have nothing to offer. Let's see 280 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: what happens. Then we can discuss what we want to do. 281 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats. Today. 282 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 3: She went to Martha's vineyard in the most tone depf 283 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 3: Dear lord, what possibly are you thinking of? The mayor 284 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: of DC, Muriel Bowser is on vacation in Martha's vineyard. 285 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, good. 286 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: To be with you. 287 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: Trump has taken over. You know you have a crime problem. 288 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: You're fully aware that you have a crime problem. Yet 289 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: somehow Democrats want to tell you that everything is fine 290 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: and that crime is down, well, which is it crime 291 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: is down or everything's fine? Which one are we actually 292 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: talking about here? Because if crime is down, well, then 293 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: you do have a crime problem. If there is no 294 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: crime problem, why telling us about how crime is done? 295 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: Very weird. 296 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: People just can't admit reality, cannot discuss it honestly. 297 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: But that's not the story just now. It's that Trump 298 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: is taken over. 299 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: You've got the police federalized, You've got people being arrested. 300 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: You've got a guy throwing sandwiches at cops. Did you 301 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: see the guy who threw the subway sandwich at cops? 302 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 3: Turns out he works with the DOJ. He got fired. 303 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 3: You're so angry you're throwing a sandwich at police. That's 304 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 3: just that is just weird. Now I say this from 305 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: personal experience. Don't throw things at people. 306 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: It's just a mistake. 307 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 3: Better to control your emotions, right, take it from me, Please, 308 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 3: please do that. Muriel Bowser after seeing this happen. And 309 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: by the way, she had once asked for National Guard 310 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: help from Biden. What was in twenty twenty two, So 311 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 3: now she's getting it. Now she's on vacation. Now she's 312 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 3: on vacation. Her office is saying that she's dealing with 313 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: a family matter on Martha's vineyard and that she'll be 314 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 3: back immediately. Family issues require a meeting at Martha's vineyard. Listen, 315 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 3: I have been involved in a lot of family meetings. 316 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 3: There have been big conversations, big issues, about moves, about health, 317 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: about all money, all sorts of things. You've had these 318 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: conversations too. No one ever said were assembling the family 319 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: where Martha's vineyard? Fantastic. I'll bring my boat shoes, don't 320 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 3: forget Biff. I like to have some cool apple juice 321 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: in the morning. What who's doing this? This looks worse 322 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: than Ted Cruz going to wherever it was he was 323 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 3: going to escape the icy conditions of Texas with his family. 324 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 2: It was just a bad look. It was what it was. 325 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: This is worse. This is fall far far worse. This 326 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: is crazy. 327 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: And you can tell me, well, no, it's not a 328 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: vacation all you want. It's just bad, all right. The 329 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: adults are taking care of things. I might as well relax. 330 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 3: That's exactly what it looks like every step of the way. Now, 331 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what happens. Is it's only gonna 332 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: happen for thirty days, because that's all statutorily the President 333 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: can do or will Congress extend this and allow a 334 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 3: real opportunity for changes in DC. Place your bets. Place 335 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 3: your bets. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats Today. 336 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 3: Find everything at tonykats dot com. 337 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: It's a big win and it's bigger than the. 338 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 3: Dollar amount when you see that General Electric is bringing 339 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 3: manufacturing back to the United States. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, 340 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 3: good to be with you. Find everything going on over there, 341 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 3: Tony Katz dot com. So easy to do. General Electric 342 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 3: announcing that they are going to be placing a three 343 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: billion dollar investment to expand its operations in Kentucky, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, 344 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 3: and South Carolina. 345 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 2: They're going to add more than a thousand. 346 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: Jobs, ramping up domestic production and modernizing plants in the 347 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: next five years. Now you know that I'm not a 348 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: fan of tarifs. I remain not a fan of tariffs. 349 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: I have not seen anybody prove that the tariffs are 350 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 3: absolutely perfect and working great and we're all better off 351 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 3: for them. We have seen that the tariffs have not 352 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 3: led to calamity in our one but I think the 353 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: people and I see a lot of people doing this 354 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 3: on the political right. 355 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: See Trump was right, tarifs are great. 356 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 3: No, you cannot ignore the wholesale price numbers being up 357 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: point nine and say everything's great. You cannot ignore Toyota 358 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 3: saying there's only so long that we can engage absorption 359 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: of these tariffs. They had a thirty seven percent drop 360 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 3: in profit. They cut their forecast due to tariffs. You 361 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 3: can't say all is great. And I know there are 362 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 3: people on the right saying this, and I contemporaries are not. 363 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: Some people far more popular than I. They're just wrong. 364 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: They can't see their way clear to saying the jury 365 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: still out. There's no question about the border, there's no 366 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 3: question about the conversations of crime. There's no question about 367 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 3: this new invigorated approach from our government, our elected officials 368 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 3: that says Americans come first, and we're going to place 369 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: them first, and safety and security matter. 370 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: On that. 371 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: We have such tangible amounts of proof of success that 372 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 3: to deny it is nutty. We don't have that. On 373 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: the economy, we don't have it. What is it matter 374 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: if somebody wants it to be true? What does it 375 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: matter if somebody says, well, you got to give Trump 376 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 3: a chance. What does it matter if it says. 377 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: You're not being loyal? Screw all that nonsense. I'm dealing 378 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: with the numbers. 379 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 3: Insurance costs are up, while egg prices have gone down 380 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 3: and gasoline prices have gone down. I will cheer it, 381 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 3: I'll say good. Not all prices have come down. Things 382 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: are still way too expensive, and these are things we 383 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: have to work on. Tariffs don't help bring down costs. 384 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: They don't. They don't because the issue that we might 385 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 3: be having to engage is you mean today what, well, 386 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 3: tariffs don't necessarily bring down costs today. But here's this 387 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 3: story about General Electric moving appliance manufacturing to the United States. 388 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: So yeah, the these other things that you might buy, 389 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: they are going to be more expensive, but soon we'll 390 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 3: have a lot of goods in the US and they'll 391 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: be less expensive. 392 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: And that's great. 393 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: That's the argument. Now, that argument is poorly made because 394 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: not enough people make it. That argument also has a counter, 395 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 3: which is I think it's great that General Electric is 396 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 3: gonna put three billion dollars into the US, and I 397 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 3: love the idea of ge being made in America because 398 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: it's just a very American sounding thing. It's freaking general electric. 399 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 3: But the tariffs on aluminum and steel remain. And I 400 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 3: don't know about you, but I am pretty sure that 401 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: when we talk about appliances like refrigerators, gas ranges, and 402 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 3: water heaters, we might be dealing with some aluminum and 403 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 3: some steel, and some of that may be coming from overseas, 404 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 3: and costs will go up. Even if the product is 405 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 3: made in the US. It is not enough that the 406 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: product is made in the US. It is a question 407 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: of where do the goods come from to make the product. 408 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: The tariffs affect everyone, and they increase prices the end 409 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 3: the end, And right now we are seeing these companies 410 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 3: absorb the tariff costs. 411 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: That cannot last for forever. It can't. Nobody would do it. 412 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: There is no one, you know, on the political right, 413 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: on the political left, the political anywhere, no business owner 414 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 3: you know who doesn't at some moment say to themselves, Okay, 415 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: we're passing that cost along. 416 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: I can't. 417 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 3: I can't absorb that anymore. We won't be in business anymore, 418 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: we won't be able to survive. I have to pass 419 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 3: the cost along. It's just the way it goes everybody 420 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: knows that it's coming, yet some people want to convince 421 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: themselves that it's it's just it's just a figment. And 422 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 3: then Trump wants to do things like say, how dare 423 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: you pass the cost along? 424 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: No no, no, no no no no no no no. 425 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: Trump looked at it was a J. P. Morgan. Here, 426 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 2: here it is, here it is. 427 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 3: Trump told the CEO of Goldman Sachs to replace their 428 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 3: economists over the tariff predictions. 429 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: Right the chief. 430 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: Their chief economists warned in a research note that US 431 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 3: consumers will end up absorbing an increased share of the 432 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: cost of Trump's tariffs. 433 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: That's going to happen. 434 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: That's going to happen. If you told America, we are 435 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 3: not going to engage these wide breadth of tariffs on 436 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 3: all these other nations, but we're keeping them on China 437 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: because we're going to break these mothers in two, the 438 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: vast majority of Americans would do this. I'm in, I'm in. 439 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 3: Where do you want me, chief? Where do you want 440 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: me to be in this fight? I am all in 441 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: all this fight against the chi coms. And oh, they 442 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: can't own land in the United States, they can't own 443 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 3: businesses in the United states, No, no, no break these people 444 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: who are trying to destroy us into get it done. 445 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: Donnie, get it done, Donnie T. We're all good for it, 446 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 2: mister President. Right on, we're here. 447 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 3: With you, targeted, focused for specific purpose, rallying the American 448 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: people to a cause. When the tariffs first started getting discussed, 449 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 3: what did we say. We said that the White House 450 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 3: was making a mistake because they weren't saying. 451 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: Here's why this matters, and here's why it's gonna be 452 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: better for your kids in the long run. You didn't 453 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: bring people to your side. You just said it's all 454 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: gonna be great. Trust me. The economists here might hate Trump. 455 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: I don't hate Trump. He might. I have no idea 456 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 2: who the dude is. But it's just a. 457 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 3: Rational point of view that the tariffs are going to 458 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 3: get absorbed. 459 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: You don't fire a guy for saying so. 460 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 3: You might fire the person who leads the Bureau of 461 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: Labor Statistics for not being able to calculate the numbers 462 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 3: properly on jobs at a whole host of things. On 463 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 3: that sure, the economists or Golden sacks. See, that's the 464 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: part where I think Trump hurts his own messaging. Right, 465 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 3: We hear this from doctor Mattwill, and people love and 466 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 3: hate doctor Matt Will always too doom and gloom man. 467 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: He really puts it out there very succinctly. It's not 468 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 3: doom and gloom. I am not doom and gloom. I 469 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: want success for the president. The long run of tariffs 470 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: doesn't seem to bring success. It doesn't, but it's brought 471 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 3: us ge. You can clearly draw the line. You can 472 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 3: draw the line from one place to the other. Now, 473 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 3: the tire of conversation and the pressure to this happening 474 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: in the US. The big, big, big part of this 475 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: is leaving China and stop producing in China. We need 476 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 3: to be a nation that is very focused on this, 477 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 3: and we have not yet heard of the incentives to 478 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: do so. Now, when it comes to why aren't you 479 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 3: building in the United States, I don't mind rough and 480 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 3: tumble with companies. 481 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: I don't. 482 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: But since the answer in so many cases is the 483 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 3: regulatory burden here is freaking impossible to work with. We 484 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to operate a business if we had 485 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: to deal with this burden, and the cost of our 486 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: product would be x times more, to the point where 487 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: the product wouldn't be sold it's cheaper to build it. 488 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: Dealing with the chi cooms, dealing with the shipping, dealing 489 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: with their stealing of intellectual property, it still works out better. 490 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: We should be far more proactive in bringing these companies 491 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 3: back to manufacture here with the knowledge that, man, you 492 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 3: don't build a plant in a day. 493 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: You don't. 494 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: It's like when Apple says we're gonna put in hundreds 495 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 3: of billions of dollars into the US. 496 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: I love every bit of this. Do you know how 497 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: hard it is to build one of those plants in 498 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: the clean rooms and everything else with the chips and 499 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: this stuff takes time, A lot of time, So it's 500 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: not gonna happen overnight. 501 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: Why isn't the White House selling this story? Why aren't 502 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: they selling this story properly? Because the selling of this story, 503 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 3: and I utilize that term because that's what it is. 504 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: If they sold the story properly, they have more people 505 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 2: on their side. That's what you want. 506 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 3: Everybody together in what is a common need, or better said, 507 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 3: a common fight, a common enemy, how whatever you want 508 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: to describe it. We are trying to create the better 509 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 3: world where we are less dependent on China because it'll 510 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: be better for America's future security and our grandkids, and 511 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: people will say, yes, it's about time we did this. 512 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: We're in this fight together. Why isn't the White House 513 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 2: doing this? This this so simple thing. You think that 514 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: I'm coming out here to attack Trump. Far from it. 515 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: I think Trump has to sell it better because his 516 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: sales approach right now is I got it under control. 517 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 3: It's beautiful attires. We're taking in billions of dollars. It's 518 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 3: all great. Goodbye, now, stop complaining. That's not a good approach. 519 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 3: That approach is the Democrats approach to Joe Biden. 520 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with him. He's totally perfectly Give me 521 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: the next president. 522 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 3: Don't ask any questions about why you don't needs ice 523 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 3: cream and goes to bed at four pm. Okay, we're 524 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 3: done here, don't I don't know if it'd be true. 525 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 3: By the way, my Trump impressions sucks. My Trump impression suhuucks. 526 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 3: But you can't sell that story because reality is here, 527 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 3: and I know that there are people who want to 528 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 3: sell that story, really want to get angry with you 529 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 3: if you don't agree they're wrong. We're not debating here. 530 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: Costs are still higher, some costs are lower, and yes, 531 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 3: it's worthy of discussion and celebration, but costs are still 532 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 3: high and tariffs makes costs higher. But tariffs brought us 533 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 3: ge how else was this going to come back? 534 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 2: And now how do we further. 535 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 3: Encourage without a large panoply of tariffs more companies coming. 536 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 2: Back to manufacture in the United States. And of course, 537 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: keeping in mind, is this a company or a type 538 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: of product. 539 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 3: That should be manufactured in the US. Because this is 540 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 3: where there's another divide. We don't have to build everything. 541 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: We don't. There might be some things we don't want. 542 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 3: To build because it's just too low cost, it's not 543 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 3: a high enough yield for us. Let somebody else do it. 544 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 3: Appliances I like being built here. Medicines we absolutely have 545 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 3: to have created here. You know, we developed them here, 546 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: but we need the manufacture here where. 547 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 2: We're all I think we're all in agreement. I mean 548 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: even the Democrats like, yeah, yeah, we're with you on that. 549 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: I got to assume. 550 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 4: Gosh, I hope we need to be honest about this stuff. 551 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 4: Because if people on the political right want fealty from 552 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 4: people on the political right, maybe through pressure and cajoling 553 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 4: they can get it from some. But Americans who vote 554 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 4: see the thing, and tariffs increase costs, so you have 555 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 4: to give them a reason as to why it's okay. 556 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 4: And part of that is we are in a fight. 557 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 4: We have to change what we do to make our 558 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 4: lives better for the future. And it starts now. 559 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 3: Sell it and then push the changes that we will 560 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: make to help bring the right kinds of manufacturing back 561 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 3: to the United States. And why it's important. You gotta 562 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 3: sell your story, and it's a good story. Right now, 563 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 3: we're not so much selling it as trying to force 564 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 3: it down people's throats and saying if you don't repeat 565 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 3: this story, you're a trader or not really this that 566 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 3: or the other man. That dog won't hunt that dog. 567 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 3: That's just silly. Let's stop doing that and let's start 568 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 3: doing the right things, smart things, and go win this fight. 569 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 2: This is Tony Kats today. 570 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 3: So Pete Boodhajudge is getting hit from the left for 571 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: his position on Israel, which is to say, he tried 572 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 3: not to have a position on Israel, and on the 573 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 3: left that doesn't work. 574 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: Because the only position is hate Israel. 575 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 3: It is clear and obvious to everybody who is of 576 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 3: a rational mind that the bigotry and the anti Semitism 577 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 3: of the left is overwhelming and is the dominant force 578 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: in the foreign policy of the party. Tony Katz, Tony 579 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 3: Katz Today, good to be with you. It is unquestionable. 580 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 3: So he's on the pod Save America podcast, which is 581 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 3: those Obama pros, and he's asked about halting weapons sales 582 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 3: to Israel, and he's talking about what shocks the conscience 583 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 3: and images that shock the conscience. So much of this 584 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 3: is complicated, but what's not complicated is that if a 585 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 3: child is starving because of a choice made by a 586 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 3: government that is unconscionable, he doesn't, actually, I guess, engage 587 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 3: in answering the questions, and he gets all sorts of 588 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 3: punch in the face for it. So he then is 589 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 3: asked more specifically about them, and he says he would vote. 590 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: For an arms embargo against Israel. 591 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 3: Would he recognized the Palestinian state as part of a 592 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 3: two state solution? 593 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 2: Sure? And should the United States? 594 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: Should the United States have a ten year agreement with 595 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 3: Israel for foreign military aid? 596 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 2: And the answer is no. 597 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 3: That's the Democratic Party line two state solution where Hamas 598 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 3: gets the same power because you know, that's. 599 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: Who they are. 600 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 3: A two state solution is only something the American left 601 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 3: could think of. Nobody actually believes such a thing exists 602 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 3: because it doesn't arms embargo, Sure, don't sell any arms 603 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 3: to Israel, and you know, just let them get slaughtered 604 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 3: by their neighbors. 605 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 2: That's their objective. 606 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 3: It isn't anything other than the hatred of a Cassio 607 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 3: Cortes of Ilhano mar Rashida Tulib that has now permeated 608 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 3: the party. And only a Democrat like Richie Torres or 609 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 3: John Fetterman, who I may disagree with about a bunch 610 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 3: of things, is willing to stand up. 611 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 2: Those are the men of the party, Pete Butter, Judge 612 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: and Pod Say of America. So much. 613 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,720 Speaker 3: Find everything at Tony kats dot com. 614 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 2: Monday, Everyone, take care