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Speaker 1: So is gen Z just like the millennials, and all

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's because the most famous of them are

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Speaker 2: I mean, Alexandria Cassio Cortez. We're done here.

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Speaker 1: How do we recognize that as well and then help

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Speaker 1: can point to you gen xers who are total schmucks.

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Speaker 1: I mean Baby boomers who are just complete losers. You

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Speaker 1: boomers are insulting.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know baby boomers never like hearing that,

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Speaker 2: But man, there's a lot of issues.

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Speaker 1: You gotta think smarter, you gotta think better. And let's

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Speaker 1: start with don't major in gender studies because you're guaranteed

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Speaker 1: not to get a job and no one owes you anything.

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Speaker 1: If you major in gender studies, you get the nothingness that.

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Speaker 2: You most rightly deserve.

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Speaker 1: If you majored in puppetry, there are no jobs for you.

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Speaker 1: just like you might have to move to find a

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Speaker 1: different career. And anybody going into gender studies is wrong,

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Speaker 1: and any parent who's okay with it hates their kid

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Speaker 1: who said that.

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Speaker 2: That isn't the part of the conversation. I'm Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: and This is Tony Katz. Today yea I M