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Speaker 1: Lie from Vaal Hartbland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: The real story out of Minnesota, amongst many stories that

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Speaker 2: come out.

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Speaker 3: Of Minnesota, the corruption out of Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: I mean not just when we talk about what happened

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Speaker 2: with the theft regarding these daycare centers, these home healthcare

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Speaker 2: centers with Somali nationals and others. Did you know that

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota you can vouch for someone and they're allowed

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Speaker 2: to vote. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be here,

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Find everything I do over at Tony kats dot com.

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Speaker 2: The story from Fox News states that Minnesota law, first,

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Speaker 2: there's driver's licenses for all, regardless of immigration status. Licences

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Speaker 2: can carry no marketings indicating citizenship, and you can use

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Speaker 2: one of these to vote. And under Minnesota law, registered

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Speaker 2: voter can vouch for up to eight other voters residency

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Speaker 2: who want to sign up for same day voter registration

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Speaker 2: without an ID. You understand that Tim Walls thinks that

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Speaker 2: he's a decent man, thinks that he is a good man,

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Speaker 2: thinks that he is caring. And I put forth to you, no,

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Speaker 2: there is nothing about these kinds of policies and philosophies

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Speaker 2: that are loving or caring or good.

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Speaker 3: This is horrifying.

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Speaker 2: Yet the left always wants to explain to you about

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Speaker 2: how they really care.

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Speaker 3: No, you don't really care.

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Speaker 2: If you cared, you would ensure that citizens get to vote.

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Speaker 2: If you hate the citizenry and want a different outcome

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Speaker 2: based on some ideological insanity, you would be in favor

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Speaker 2: of people who are not citizens and don't have to

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Speaker 2: prove their citizenship voting in a United States election. You

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Speaker 2: favor fraud, We are not going to agree to disagree.

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Speaker 3: We're going to.

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Speaker 2: Call those people frauds, and we are going to state

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Speaker 2: that Tim Walls favors fraud. Tim Walls does not believe

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Speaker 2: in the integrity of elections. Tim Walls does not believe

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Speaker 2: in only Americans voting. Tim Walls doesn't believe in the

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Speaker 2: United States of America and TOTO because he believes that

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Speaker 2: somebody who may or may not be a citizen can

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Speaker 2: voucher other people who may or may not be citizens

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Speaker 2: and say, yeah, they're good to.

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Speaker 4: Vote, And that's just madness.

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Speaker 3: We should say so. We should be opposed to it,

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Speaker 3: we should be disgusted by it. We should stand up

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Speaker 2: And when we see that there's a political divide that

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Speaker 2: keeps us from this, we must look at the people

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Speaker 2: on the side of the political divide that says, yeah,

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Speaker 2: why are you questioning whether somebody's a citizen and say

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Speaker 2: to them, it's clear that one of us is American

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Speaker 3: Us is you.

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Speaker 4: That is often seen as a very harsh thing to say,

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Speaker 4: the very concept of deciding who is and who isn't

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Speaker 3: Really Jewish, etc. I have often argued.

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Speaker 2: That when I see progressive Jews, I personally want to

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Speaker 3: They're not, They're just not.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that I truly get to say that.

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Speaker 2: I can discuss their policies as wrong. I can discuss

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Speaker 2: religion has a set of rules, right standard, sometimes you

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Speaker 3: You feel better about yourself. That's messed up stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I will state very clearly that if you think

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Speaker 2: that somebody who is not a citizen can vote in

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Speaker 2: like I am. The law may consider you an American,

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Speaker 2: but you don't believe in America that I believe in.

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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, we have to rank these things.

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Speaker 2: The America I believe in is better than the America

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Speaker 3: If and I say you, let's talk about that.

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Speaker 2: If they believe you don't have to have an idea

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Speaker 2: and I are Americans, and they need to be told so,

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Speaker 3: They need to lose.

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Speaker 2: This brings us to two stories. Going back to this

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting bit of data from sea.

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Speaker 2: And the person who did this is a guy by

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Speaker 2: the name of Wilford Riley, a college professor. Now, I'm

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Speaker 2: a former Corporati corporate executive, freedom writer, law student, and

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Speaker 2: poor kid. And he wrote a book lies, my liberal

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Speaker 2: Now I know nothing about him and nothing about the book.

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Speaker 2: Center for Immigration Studies. Now, the story reads that if

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Speaker 2: as a Somali immigrant household with children, it's eighty nine percent.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to food stamps at sixty two percent

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Speaker 2: it is eighty six percent Somali immigrant households with children

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Speaker 2: twenty eight percent native households. Someone will inappropriately use that

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Speaker 2: this is why we can't have Somali.

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Speaker 2: It's the wrong argument, actually, and I'm not in favor

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Speaker 2: concept of a simil of the melting pot of people

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Speaker 2: it and through it. Milton Friedman, the economist, once stated

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Speaker 2: They could be dangerous people. People come into the country

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Speaker 2: for more than just the free this or the hand

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Speaker 2: out that. But the very conversation of it could be

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Speaker 3: Well, that has a level of accuracy. I think people

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Speaker 2: Like, Okay, that makes sense to me, what this data

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Speaker 2: any welfare getting any welfare, Native households with children thirty percent,

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Speaker 2: Somali immigrant households with children eighty nine percent. The question

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Speaker 2: I would then see? And in that comes the conversation

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Speaker 2: of assimilation, of wanting to be a part of America,

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Speaker 2: goals as opposed to being given, as opposed to the handout. Now,

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Speaker 2: this does connect to what we see from the political left,

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Speaker 2: where they see a program as successful based on how

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Speaker 2: not needing the program. And you know that doesn't happen

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Speaker 2: in government. There's always a program all the time.

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Speaker 3: Of program.

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Speaker 2: Never stops a program. You gotta have another program. Then

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Speaker 2: you got to increase this program, increase that program. Look

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Speaker 2: at all the people are using the program. It's not

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Speaker 2: good having large amounts of people on welfare is not good.

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Speaker 2: It's awful for a society, and it's not something we

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Speaker 2: it is asking ourselves who is coming into the country,

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Speaker 2: wants to work for their dream as opposed to wants

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Speaker 2: a handout for the luxury of them telling us how

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Speaker 2: terrible we are if we want to see where progressivism

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Speaker 2: because it doesn't believe.

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Speaker 3: In America as a whole, it is this very idea.

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Speaker 2: It is the idea of whether or not we think

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Speaker 2: whether or not we teach people, look, how terrible it

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Speaker 3: We have all discussed this in.

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Speaker 2: Different ways about how the left approaches this subject. It's

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Speaker 2: That is a concept, is an ugly, despicable concept. America's terrible,

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Speaker 2: But America's terrible is the weirdest argument in the world.

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Speaker 2: World do you expect people to become part of America

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Speaker 3: Part of the problem is that there is no expectation.

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Speaker 2: In the expectation comes the very concept, the ideal, the

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Speaker 3: We shouldn't you know I said this the other day.

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Speaker 2: Oh I got all sorts of heat from all sorts

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Speaker 3: We should be opposed to hyphens.

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Speaker 2: Irish, American, African, American, Mexican, American, Jewish, American, This American,

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Speaker 3: That's better. The hyphen separates, the hyphen divides.

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Speaker 2: It's bad for America. Equally bad for America is not

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Speaker 2: having a standard for immigration. The standard has to start

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Speaker 2: what we do is pretty damn fantastic and they can

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Speaker 3: I didn't say we shouldn't help people.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say we still couldn't open ourselves to levels

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Speaker 2: of refugees and all sorts of things. I'm talking about immigration.

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Speaker 2: Why would you ever want people in the country who

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Speaker 3: Why would you.

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Speaker 2: Want people who take and don't contribute and then get

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Speaker 2: angry that they're not allowed to take more and you're

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Speaker 2: political left talking about the rest of America. A standard

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Speaker 3: So this data point that people are pointing.

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Speaker 2: To about Somali immigrant households, there's a larger scale question

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't allow Saboli nationals into the country. That kind

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Speaker 2: of broad brush painting isn't gonna work. But it does

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Speaker 2: say to me, it absolutely does say to me that

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Speaker 2: we should be asking who comes into the country, who

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Speaker 2: is providing, and what demand do we have on them

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Speaker 2: to provide?

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Speaker 3: To create, to do, to contribute.

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Speaker 2: And for the record, not only is it okay to

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Speaker 2: demand it, it is better for everybody if we do.

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Speaker 3: We must start with a philosophy if you can do

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Speaker 3: anything here. But there ain't no free rides booboo. We

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Speaker 3: don't do free rides. We don't give it away.

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Speaker 2: You don't get to take from us without building with us.

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Speaker 3: Nope, not gonna happen. I think that that's a rational thought.

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Speaker 2: I think it is a rational thought to say you

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Speaker 2: don't get to vote in an election when you're not

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Speaker 2: a citizen. And I think the people who say, of

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Speaker 2: course you should be able to vote when you're not

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Speaker 2: a citizen, I don't think they're Americans.

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Speaker 3: Like you and I are Americans.

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Speaker 2: And I think anybody who wants to come to the

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Speaker 2: United States and doesn't want to contribute to the United

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Speaker 2: States could never be an American the way those who

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Speaker 2: want to contribute, who have come to this great country

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Speaker 2: can be Americans. Whether it's our vote or whether it's

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Speaker 2: our future people. We should hold a standard, and I

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Speaker 2: think the people who don't want to hold the standard

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Speaker 2: are very an American.

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Speaker 3: This is Tony Cats today,