1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Line from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz Today. 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody, I am Andrew Langer in for Tony 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Kats Today. 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 2: On Tony Katz Today, we. 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Got a great hour. I'm gonna be joined by Brent Sadler. 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: He's a scholar with the Heritage Foundation. I'm going to 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: talk about these naval operations and what's going on in 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: the Strait of Horror Moves and. 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: What needs to happen to keep it open. Make it open? 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: Is it open? 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: Uh? 13 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: Why? Why? 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Why can't they just build a canal around it, which 15 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: of course they can't. But you know, next hour we're 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: gonna be job by Tim Grahant from the Media Research 17 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: Center're going to talk about the oscars and SNL and 18 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: the news coverage of this. 19 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: War in Iran. 20 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: I want to I want to go here normally at 21 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: the beginning of the hour, any hour, I like to. 22 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: I like to have a little bit of fun, you 23 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: know that first segment to set the tone. We try 24 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: to be a little irreverent on on things. And you know, 25 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: I could play the Saturday Night Live stuff because again, 26 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: if you haven't been watching last week's especially listen if 27 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: you get a chance if you can get the peacock 28 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: gap or whatever. Last week's Ryan Gosling episode is actually 29 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: pretty funny because it's not very political. I'm getting little 30 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: tired of the Trump impression, which I think is like 31 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: a one note thing. But Ryan Gosling's was pretty funny. 32 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: And there were some moments that this weekend too. I'll 33 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: play those later on. But but who knew that, you 34 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: know that John Fetterman, John listen, I'll say, I take 35 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: it back, you know, I take it back. You know, 36 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: all of the comments that it made about about him 37 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: as he was running maybe maybe maybe you know, having 38 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: his sort of his brain issues, you know, knocked him, 39 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: knocked some common sense into him. But who knew that 40 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: John Fetterman was going to be the ultimate Democrat voice 41 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: of reason out there, especially and like you know, before 42 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: we get to him, you know, especially in light of 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: such luminaries like Rokanna and Mark Warner. Here is let's 44 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: start here. Rokanna was asked to respond to something that 45 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: John Kirby had to say. John Kirby is a Republican 46 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: national security defense spokesman. Let's hear cut number ten. 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 4: Now, we're in this war now and Biden's National Security 48 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 4: Council spokesman was among the voices saying that Americans in 49 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 4: this moment need to just unite behind the military. 50 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: Here's what he said. 51 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 5: The military has been very consistent, Secretary Higsith, the General Kane, 52 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 5: Secretary of Rubio, been very consistent about the limited objectives 53 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 5: that they're going after. 54 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: And now we're in it, and now. 55 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 5: I think it's really important that the nation unite behind 56 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 5: the military and make sure that the military has the tools, 57 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 5: the equipment, the weapons they need to accomplish these limited 58 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 5: objectives and degrade iron military. 59 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 4: So when funding comes before you, you know, in the 60 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 4: form of a vote, how are you going to vote 61 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 4: on funding? 62 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: Well, absolutely not. 63 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 6: Look, k he is part of the architect that got 64 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 6: us into the disaster in Gaza. 65 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 2: I don't understand how they's alavable on TV. 66 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 6: We've had a foreign policy blob that got us into 67 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 6: the war in Iraq, that got us into Afghanistan for 68 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 6: twenty years, they created the disaster that happened in Gaza 69 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 6: that now his chair led us into Iran. President Trump 70 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 6: ran against this entire foreign policy blob. 71 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: He said he was going to put America first. 72 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 6: He said he was going to fund manufacturing here, he 73 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 6: said he was going to fund our communities. 74 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: Instead, we're spending two billion. 75 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 6: Dollars a day on getting into another. 76 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: War in the Middle East. 77 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 6: We've had thirteen Americans died. 78 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: I'm tired of this. 79 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 6: So are a lot of people in the MAGA base 80 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 6: and progressives. 81 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: We need a huge right you can stop it there, 82 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm tired of this. I wasn't tired of 83 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: it when, you know, when Biden got us out of 84 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: Afghanistan and Americans were killed. But I'm I'm I'm damn 85 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: sure tired of it now. You know, when we're essentially 86 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: engaging in an air war, and yes, obviously we hallow 87 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: those who made the ultimate sacrifice for their nation one 88 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: hundred percent. But but this, believe me, this is this 89 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: is nothing. 90 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 6: Uh. 91 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: You know, as we engage in sort of the total 92 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: air dominance and see dominance around Iran, you know, eventually 93 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta you gotta, you gotta, you know, take 94 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: action and do these things. And I think, I hope, 95 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: I believe it's going to pay off in the end. 96 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I want you to think about this for 97 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: a second. We'll get to Fetterman in a second, I 98 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: want to think about this for a moment, because they 99 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: said it couldn't be done right. You know, First, you 100 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: have last year's action in Iran, uh and and folks 101 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: were predicting massive amounts of global chaos in the wake 102 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: of that. Now, yeah, we had to come back and 103 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: finish the job. We thought maybe there would be one 104 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: message sent, but it certainly wasn't the level of disaster 105 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: that the president's uh, president's detractors, the president's critics were saying. 106 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: It was going to be. Uh. 107 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: You have the action in Venezuela and yeah, you know 108 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,239 Speaker 1: something I don't like unilanter realaction. But on the other hand, 109 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: we frankly cave Maduro a lot more due process than 110 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: perhaps he might otherwise have been accorded. And again, the 111 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: chaos that was supposed to ensue after that hasn't happened. 112 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: Here we have what's happening in Iran, right, and again 113 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: the sort of the wide prediction of major vincent. Yeah, 114 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: we've had some minor lone wolf attacks here in the 115 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 1: United States. We're going to talk a little bit about 116 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: this attack on the synagogue in Michigan and whether or 117 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: not this guy's brother was a Hesba La Commander. But 118 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, as you roll these 119 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: things up, right, there's a reverse domino effect that is 120 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: at work here. These actions have reactions elsewhere. And yet 121 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: if you go through it with sort of a half measure, yes, 122 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: it can come back and bite you. Yeah, obviously there's 123 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: a chance of that here. But there's also a very 124 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: likely chance, and we're seeing it. This is the point 125 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: that I raised with nan Ayworth that if you essentially 126 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: make oil more expensive and you send a threat to 127 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: China and they no longer have access to cheap petroleum 128 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: to make all of their cheap plastic products, China reacts, right, 129 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: they stop their overflights over Taiwan. Maybe they say, oh 130 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: my god. You know, maybe, just maybe we need to 131 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: think twice about what we are doing here. 132 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: You know, when you. 133 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: You reduce to ashes Russia's main supplier of drones, and 134 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: in fact, you turn around and you take the folks 135 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: who have been working diligently to use inexpensive technology to 136 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: defeat those drones, you deploy them on the battlefield in Iran. 137 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: It sends a message to Russia at. 138 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: The end of the day. 139 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: And so if at the end of the day China 140 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: and Russia are isolated and they have to seriously rethink 141 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: their place in the world order. 142 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: That is a massive benefit. 143 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: Now do I think that it means that it will 144 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: translate into an electoral victory for Republicans. 145 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: No, I don't. 146 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: Because I don't think that story will ever get told 147 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: in the same way that I think the Busham Mini 148 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: station never really told the story about the way that 149 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: Iran could be contained by having American forces in Iraq 150 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: and Afghanistan. 151 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: And so you know, if you no. 152 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: Longer have supplier of drones to Russia off the table, 153 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: the number one sponsor of state sponsored terrorism on the table, 154 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: that has huge benefits globally, that. 155 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: Can pay off in spades. 156 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: So you know, I discount what the Rokhanas are saying, 157 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: what the peat bootage edges are saying. Do I think 158 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: what's being done is perfect? No, But I never think 159 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: any of these things is perfect. You know, On that 160 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: same talk, before we go to some spots here, let's 161 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: hear what Margaret Bennon. 162 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: Had to say. 163 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: So, Mark Warner, who should know better, He's been in 164 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: the Senate long enough, he should know better than to 165 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: engage in foolishness but nevertheless he says something stupid on 166 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: face the Nation, and Margaret Brennan actually calls him out 167 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: on it. 168 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: Let's pick at number thirteen on the facts. 169 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 4: The Senate failed to advance at Homeland security funding for 170 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 4: the fourth time yesterday. We have airline CEO's fault in 171 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 4: Congress for not paying TSA agents. I've got video TSA 172 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 4: workers on food lines because they just missed their second paycheck, 173 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 4: half paycheck last time, full paycheck this Friday. Why can't 174 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: your leaders break this dead lack, Margaret. 175 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 7: Man, I think we should and what we have offered. 176 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 7: Let's pay TSA, Let's pay FEMA, Let's pay the National Guard, 177 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 7: I'm sorry, the Coast Guard. Let's pay this. I'd even say, 178 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 7: let's pay Customs and Border Patrol. If we can't agree 179 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 7: on ICE reforms, let's pay everybody else. 180 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: Got it? 181 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: So you want to you want to essentially shut down 182 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: the immigration part of it, and you're willing to hold 183 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: everybody else hostage over your petty complaints about getting by 184 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: the way. You know something, you know when we actually 185 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to get into this, well, we'll talk about 186 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: Fetterman later on when we come back. We're going to 187 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: talk about, Uh, We're going to talk about what's going 188 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: on with immigration and why just why maybe we need 189 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: to be doing exactly what we're doing, and how the 190 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: mark Warners of the world are making life more dangerous. 191 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Katz today, so before 192 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: we get to the denaturalization stuff and Eric Schmid, I 193 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: got this and and I apologize Christina. Christina Llewellen sent 194 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: this in on X. I should have I should have 195 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: looked at this earlier. Christina writes, Hi, Andrew Langer, please 196 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: speak about the potus post from last week about your 197 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: friend Steve Moore on today's Tony Cats Show. 198 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: Thanks and what it is. 199 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: What it is is a tweet from Donald Trump potus 200 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: from an unleashed prosperity study that Steve Moore put out there. 201 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: A new Unleashed. 202 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: Prosperity study four A one K balance under Trump saw 203 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: an inflation adjusted gain of twenty seven hundred dollars fifteen 204 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: point one percent for American workers. By contrast, during the 205 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: four years of the Biden administration, the average four one 206 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: K saw a crushing twenty four eight hundred percent real 207 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: loss aggregate for a one K balances top trend trillion 208 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: dollars for the first time in history, signaling a broad 209 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: based recovery from the Biden slump. Six out of ten 210 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: Americans have IRA or four oh one K accounts. And 211 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate this, Christina, and I need to ping Steve 212 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: and phil Kerpin over at Unleash about this. You know, 213 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: we all do different things in this world. I swear 214 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: to god, I didn't see this up, Christine. I so 215 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: appreciate you sending this over. I need to put this 216 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: this study up. So we all do different things different 217 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: We're all different tools in the toolbox, as I like 218 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: to say, and Steve knows that I do deal with 219 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: the regulatory side of things, the cost of regulations on 220 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: the American economy. And I look at this. You'll all 221 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: know the adage when you're a hammer, everything looks like 222 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: an ail. I'm sure Steve has his views as to 223 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: what's going on, but so it's Trump one and Trump 224 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: to I see this, So you know, Steve is probably 225 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: looking at tax policy and some of the other policies 226 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: that are out there. I look at regulatory policy. So 227 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: I know, for instance, that the cost of regulation grew 228 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: by about fifteen percent annually, the cost of regulations in 229 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: America essentially double, almost doubled. I went up about one 230 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: point eight trillion dollars from two and a quarter trillion 231 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: to just under four trillion dollars in the four years 232 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden, fastest increase in federal regulatory costs in history. 233 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: What we do know is looking at the numbers that 234 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: regulatory costs dropped by five percent under the first year 235 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: of the Trump administration. Now it's funny because I was 236 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: able in a report that I did in economic analysis 237 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: I did in January of the twenty twenty five Trump 238 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: Economic Agenda numbers how this tracks how the regulatory cost 239 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: issue tracked with inflation. It's kind of wild that there's 240 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: a correspondence there. And yes, I know correlation does not 241 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: equal causation, but I'm going to say that part of 242 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: the reason why inflation spiked so highly is because the 243 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: cost of red tape, the cost of regulations dramatically shot up. 244 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: And you might say, Andrew, oh, it was only the 245 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: only loss of five percent over twenty twenty over the 246 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: course of twenty twenty five. Let me let me explain 247 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: that this is unprecedented in the modern era of regulation, 248 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: and by which I go back to nineteen seventy one, right, 249 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: the Nixon administration and the birth of the modern the 250 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: truly modern regulatory state, the birth of the EPA, the 251 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: Occupational Safety and Health Act, the Endangered Species Act, blah 252 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: blah blah, all of these laws. You know, we've had 253 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: a steady increase in regulatory costs, and I talk about 254 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: what I call the regulatory glidepath. What happens if you 255 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: simply keep regulatory costs constant and you don't add, say, 256 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: six hundred billion dollars a year in regulatory costs, which 257 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: is what we were getting to under Joe Biden. Right, 258 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: had Kamala Harris become president, that's what we would have 259 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: seen if you cut two hundred billion dollars and you 260 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: also don't add you don't add six hundred billion. Never 261 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: do math on the air. By the way, I know 262 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm throwing numbers at you, but that's an eight hundred 263 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: billion dollar game to the economy, indirect regulatory costs, and 264 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: then depending on who you talk to, it's an opportunity 265 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: cost issue. Let me explain what that means. If you're 266 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: a small business owner and I know there are a 267 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: bunch shut out there. If you're a small business owner, 268 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: you know that when a regulation, when a rule, when 269 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: a government decision forces you to make a choice in 270 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: how your business spends its money. Yes, it's money out 271 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: the door, but it's money you can't use to invest 272 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: in your own business. You can't use it to invest 273 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: in new people, you can't use it to invest in 274 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: more productive equipment. So let's say you own a pizzeria 275 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: and a Biden era clean air rule forces you to 276 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: spend twenty thousand dollars on a new electric pizza oven 277 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: because you can't use cold and you can't use natural gas. 278 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: That's twenty thousand dollars. Now, I don't know if that's 279 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: the cost of it. I'm an I think it's probably. 280 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm probably it's probably more. That's money that you can't 281 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: use to invest in some way to make your business 282 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: truly more productive. Lost opportunity cost. You know, every time 283 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: you every time the government mandates that your employees spend 284 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: their time doing paperwork or some kind of mandatory training, 285 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: that's time they can't spend in the productive work of 286 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: your business. So I think that there's a huge component 287 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: here of the regulatory cost Christina, and I hope that 288 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: answers your question, but clearly I need to reach out 289 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: to Steve about this. 290 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: I'll tell a story sort of when I knew I'm dumb. 291 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: I'm dumb. 292 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: I swear to God, guys, I'm dumb about these things. 293 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: You know. 294 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: All I want out of life is I want my 295 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: work to be appreciated by my colleagues. I know that's 296 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: very strange. 297 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: Maybe it's maybe it's not so strange. 298 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: I don't know's I'll say it's a debate that I 299 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: get into with some of some of my colleagues right 300 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: now about how how one's work ought to be measured. 301 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: I want my work to be appreciated and respected by 302 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: my colleagues. And so you know, when you when you're 303 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: you're talking about something. 304 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: You know. 305 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: One of the times I interviewed Steve on the radio 306 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: because I do policy work, as I said, I do 307 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: this regulatory policy work outside. 308 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: Of outside of the work that I'm doing here. 309 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: And I was talking to Steve about regulatory costs and 310 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: Steve said, somebody the effectivele you would know more about 311 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: that than I would. And I, like, I like grew 312 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: like five inches sitting in my chair and I sat 313 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: up straighter because it's like, oh my god, Steve Moore 314 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: respects the work that I'm doing, and he was probably 315 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: just being polite, I don't know, but nevertheless, I'm a 316 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: mook that way in terms of these things, these things 317 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: that wind up being very important to me. By the way, Christine, 318 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: I'll let you know, there's a little arrow on the 319 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: chart that you sent. I'll retweet this in a second, 320 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: and I thought it was a little smudge on my 321 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: computer screen, and I actually just tried to. 322 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: Wipe it off. 323 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: That shows you what kind of a mook I am 324 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: in all of this. So, yeah, you know, you get this. 325 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: Somebody else I'll have on they'll say these things. I 326 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate that. You know, Eric Schmidt has 327 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: introduced a bill he wants to make denaturalization easier. Let's 328 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 1: hear what he had to say this morning. We can 329 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: do this real quick. Let's play cut number nineteen. 330 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 8: People are there are tens of thousands of murderers, hundreds 331 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 8: of thousands of violand criminals that are in our communities 332 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 8: because of Democrat policies, and so we need to make 333 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 8: sure DHS is funded. The deportations need to continue we 334 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 8: also need to expand the category data of people who 335 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 8: can be denaturalized and sent home. Who are you know, 336 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 8: reforming the legal immigration system because. 337 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: Okay, we can stop it there. 338 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: And you know something, there was a time and I 339 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: know my staunch libertarian friends are going to be very 340 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: unhappy about this. But when you get a guy who 341 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: is a naturalized citizen who goes to prison for aiding 342 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: and abetting isol and he's not immediately deported, either while 343 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: he's in prison or as soon as he gets out. 344 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: When that person then comes back, you know, sometime later 345 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: and guns down people on a college campus in the 346 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: United States, guess what DA for Norfolk, Virginia. It's not 347 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: gun loving Republicans' fault that this happens. It's DA's like you, 348 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: it's policies the Biden administration. And I want to add 349 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: to this, this about made me blow my stack. There's 350 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: a TikToker named Ethan Levins who had the unmitigated goal 351 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: to go on TikTok and put this video out there. 352 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: Let's play cut number twenty one. 353 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 2: Good message for the Iranian government. 354 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 9: If you want to take out Israel's entire nuclear capability, 355 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 9: you need to strike right here, and right here. This 356 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 9: is the Surrect nuclear facili run here, and this is 357 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 9: the Polymachin airfield. This airbase houses Israel's only farge hit nuclear. 358 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: We can end it there. 359 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: You know something to port him, you know something sent 360 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: him to Israel for prosecution. I know he's not on 361 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: an Israeli citizen, and technically it's not treason against the 362 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: United States. But yet you use something. Drop him in Gaza. 363 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: How about this. Drop him in Gaza, drop him in Lebanon, 364 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: drop him in Syria and see how he fares there. 365 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: You know it was called a summer camp trip. You 366 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: get to do a fact finding mission. You want to 367 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: find out how great it is to help out the 368 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: Iranian people. Fine, send him to Bagdad. See how long 369 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: he fares there? Good Lord? And yeah, the other the 370 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: other video, and we could play this later. That the 371 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: brother of the Michigan synagogue attacker was apparently hes black commander. YEP, denaturalize, 372 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: get rid of him. I'm Andrew Langer. Here is Tony 373 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: Kats today. 374 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: We are back. 375 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today, joining 376 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: us right now, very excited to bring him on. 377 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: His name is Brent Sadler. 378 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: He's a senior Research fellow in Naval Warfare and Advanced 379 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: Technology at the Allison Center for National Security at the 380 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation. I heard him give a presentation last week 381 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: and was just so impressed by it I had to 382 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: have him on the show. 383 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: Brent. 384 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: He's got He's had a story career in the Navy. 385 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: He's an author. He does work with the US Naval Institute. 386 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: I am a I am an avid reader of proceedings, Brent, 387 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: so glad. 388 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: You can join us here. 389 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: Let's talk about what's going on on the seas, this 390 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: fight over the Straits of Horn Mouz. 391 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: Is it being mined? How can it be? D mind? 392 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: Can it be? D mind? What? What's what's happening on 393 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 2: the on the open water? 394 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me on your show. There's a 395 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 3: lot of back to the future that's going on, and 396 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: the and the passage kind of repeating itself. Is the 397 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 3: Gulf War One when allies like Japan were asked to 398 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: send mind sweepers pretty much as the war was pretty 399 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 3: much over, but there still was a concern about floating minds. 400 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: Now we've got cruise missiles and everything else, So is 401 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 3: the are the straits. Mind, I think it's a safe 402 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 3: bet to assume there's a few of them out there 403 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 3: and until we prove otherwise, to act accordingly. And of course, 404 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 3: the Iranians, despite taking quite a punishing blow, they still 405 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 3: have the ability to put drones and launch missiles from 406 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 3: small boats are from the coast. So it's a threat. 407 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 3: It's a very much lowered threat. It's not really physically 408 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 3: closing the straits, but it is a cost and it 409 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 3: is a risk that it's got to be born. 410 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: Well, that's that's the other thing. I think it would 411 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: be helpful for folks to understand that because it's it's 412 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, their comparative risk assessment is something that I 413 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: deal with, you know, as a regulatory policy tool. How 414 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: do we weigh costs and benefits? How do we compare 415 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: risks across decision making. There's a lot going on here, 416 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: isn't there? And the possibility of one, mind, when you're 417 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: talking about these massive ships that can't turn and stop 418 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: on a dime. This is this is something to understand 419 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, not just the decisions that 420 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: the companies make, but there they're insurance companies. That's a 421 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: huge part of this isn't. 422 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 3: It absolutely a P and I insurance specifically for shipping 423 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 3: in these war designated war or combat zones. And there's 424 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 3: about eight or so of these insurance firms, all located 425 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 3: in London that are making the assessment for what the 426 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 3: cost risk would be for the insurers, and that cost 427 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 3: has been going up from four to twelve times the 428 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: normal fee and it's usually aboutzero point two five percentage 429 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 3: points the value of the ship. And these ships are 430 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: about three hundred million dollars, so you can do the math. 431 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: It's not cheap. 432 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: And that's just for seven days steaming in, gassing up 433 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 3: and then heading out of the Persian Gulf. And so 434 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 3: one of the things that the White House is trying 435 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 3: to do is to mitigate that excess cost at least 436 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 3: for that period of time the ship's going through there. Now, 437 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: who they're going to offer this to is a big question. 438 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: How it's going to get financed because the way the 439 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: shipping firms and they have like insurance clubs that are 440 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: actually out there that kind of take the burden for 441 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 3: a group of ships together. Those details need to get 442 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 3: worked out pretty soon. But it's really the money and 443 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,239 Speaker 3: the insurers that are really driving the shipping capacity or 444 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 3: volume to go down. It's not the Iranian missiles and 445 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 3: bombs though, that's triggered the insurance spike. 446 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: Sure, let me ask you this. We're talking with Brent Sadler. 447 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: He's a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation. I 448 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: said this in my in my initial email introducing myself 449 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: to you. One of the most important books that I 450 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: ever read was The Influence of Seepower upon History by Mahan, 451 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, followed by de Severski's Air Power. I want 452 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: to say, airpower of key to Survival. I mean, these 453 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: things are playing out. Folks discount the importance of naval power, 454 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: especially projecting power over the horizon. Talk about how that's. 455 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: All playing out here right now? Why, why we're why 456 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: we're seeing this here? 457 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, So an important change in American state craft. Actually 458 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: it's global, but it's really most pronounced. You can see 459 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: the way that we do or execute stay craft has changed, 460 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: something I call naval stay craft and written a lot about. 461 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 3: But what you're seeing is the merging of diplomacy with military, 462 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: mostly naval, but not only naval presence that can be 463 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 3: dialed up and adjusted and moved around as necessary with 464 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: economic staatecraft. 465 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: Some of it withold be. 466 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 3: Considering the tariffs. The other is what's happening right now 467 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: with trying to reduce the cost on the shippers of 468 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 3: the insurance fees. All of this is coming together in 469 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: a new form of American steak craft, call it naval staycraft. 470 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: And how does this play into You know, China has 471 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: long recognized this, and I know you are a China expert. 472 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: You know the China's you know, various economic initiatives around 473 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: the world. 474 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: You know, I've got a buddy. 475 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: George Lander at the Frontiers of Freedom who has this 476 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: great map showing how the Chinese have invested in ports 477 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: that are essentially at natural choke points on the open seas. 478 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: Talk about how this pushes back against what China has 479 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: been doing for so long, a lot of it unchallenged 480 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: by the United States. 481 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 3: Well, in many ways, it's kind of playing the script 482 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 3: back on the Chinese Communist Party that they actually took 483 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 3: from mahan it's actually Mahanan in modern times. But again, 484 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 3: the Chinese is the way they execute that. They're limited 485 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: because they have a state controlled economy, They're ideologically bound 486 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 3: by certain ways. They don't have a network of friends 487 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 3: and partners, many of ours are business partners as well 488 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: as strategic partners and allies. They don't have that and 489 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: they have no interest in it, So it gives them 490 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 3: a very different approach, which also gives us a lot 491 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 3: of advantages against them in using a naval or maritime 492 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: kind of state craft approach. Choke points matter, ports matter, 493 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: and of course most importantly, ships matter in maintaining a 494 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 3: global economy and one that really makes us have the 495 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 3: quality of life that we've enjoyed for decades here in 496 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 3: the United States. 497 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: So let's talk about this before I let you go 498 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: so Venezuela, Iran. We're now seeing the impact on China 499 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: and China changing its behavior visa VI Taiwan. Let's assume 500 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: that something happens in Cuba. How does this all play 501 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: out in terms of mitigating the threats caused by. 502 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: Russia and China globally. 503 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: They have to wake up and right and recognize that 504 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: there's that they have to get with the New World word. 505 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: There is a point that I made in the first 506 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: hour of the show. 507 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 3: Your thoughts here, Yeah, so there's not a lot of 508 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 3: time that it's very much the point all of these 509 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: things are connected. So success and with Iran and Venezuela 510 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: is pressure on moscown not for the obvious reasons but 511 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 3: also the economic and the geopolitical. But the real target 512 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 3: of all of this, and let's assume Cuba also decides 513 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: to have a new deal with the United States. It's 514 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 3: a new relationship. All of this really hurts Beijing. It 515 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 3: takes options away from Beijing, it takes its economic assurances. 516 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 3: You know, they were relying on a fairly sizable portion 517 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 3: of their energy I think is over twenty five percent 518 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 3: coming from Iran. Now that's a question. So they're finding 519 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 3: themselves on the back foot and we haven't even really 520 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 3: sat down to have really serious negotiations with them yet. 521 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: Even so, they're all connected. It is part of a 522 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 3: great new game or a new Cold war that we're 523 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 3: in with the Chinese Communist Party. 524 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: So what Pete Budajeg says that it's it's amateur hour. 525 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: We're over at the Pentagon. Your thoughts on this. 526 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: He's not someone who should be casting aspersions like that 527 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: in his performance as Secretary of Transportation. It's anything but. 528 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 3: And the track record has been very successful. I mean, 529 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 3: you know, you have to have. There's a degree of 530 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 3: luck in life, and we've been lucky. But there is 531 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 3: a lot of I think, very clear eyed realism. I 532 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: think the administration would call it pragmatic realism. That's definitely. 533 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 3: I think it's refreshing for many of folks like me 534 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 3: to see unfold. But it's also the way the world works, 535 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: and it's what people in the world understand. They don't 536 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 3: understand flowery language. They under much more simple kind of 537 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 3: discussions and also understanding in terms real terms like military 538 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 3: might and economic might. 539 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a real fetishization of talking amongst the sort 540 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: of the leftist diplomatic I'm going to say intelligency. 541 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: I don't really mean that as a as a positive thing. Brent. 542 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: How do folks find out more about the good work 543 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: you're doing a heritage and the good work you're doing 544 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: Naval Institute, et cetera. 545 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah. So probably the easiest thing to do 546 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 3: to find most of my official products and things that 547 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 3: I write about is go to heritage dot org and 548 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: just get a list of experts and click on Brent Sadler. 549 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 3: The other place that you can easily find me is 550 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: over in LinkedIn at Brent d Sadler or even on 551 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 3: x at Brent de Sadler. 552 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to send you a connection request 553 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: on LinkedIn. Brent, thank you so very much for joining 554 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: us today. 555 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely, have a good day, you too, Brent Sadler. 556 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: He's a senior Research Fellow Naval Warfare and Advanced Technology 557 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: at the Allison Center for National Security. He's also a 558 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: fellow at the US Naval Institute. He's an author. Just 559 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: before I go, I'll just share this. Yeah, I think 560 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: I may have mentioned I have an international relations degree, 561 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: Russian studies, Soviet studies, and did a bit with strategic geography. 562 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: Wrote a bit about this many many many years ago. 563 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: And when I came out of college, before I took 564 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: a very different turn professionally, you know, I was still 565 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: I am a huge fan of the Naval Institute, and 566 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: I came upon this their magazine proceedings because I was 567 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: if you're a Tom Clancy fan, if you're someone who's 568 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: sitting out there and you used to read the Tom 569 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: Clancy novels while Tom Clancy was still alive, and not 570 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: just the Jack Ryan ones, but Red Storm Rising. 571 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: You know. 572 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: Red Storm Rising was written with Larry Bond. 573 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: It was actually written as a tabletop gaming exercise, and 574 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: the two of them had met because they were involved 575 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: with the Naval Institute, which is obviously a think tank 576 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: that is connected with the Naval Academy. And you know, 577 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: when I read this, I'm like, God, what's this magazine proceedings? 578 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: And I started reading anyway, it's all fun, fun, It's 579 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: fascinating stuff to me. Hope you enjoyed it as well. 580 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: Listen more to come on the show. I am Andrew 581 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: Langer in. 582 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: For Tony Katz Today. This is Tony Katz Today. Talk 583 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: a little bit about Saint Patrick's day in. 584 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: A little bit. 585 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: I got some music that I put together on Souno. 586 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: Having a lot of fun with that. I know people 587 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: are very nervous about AI. 588 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 2: Listen. It's not perfect. 589 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: It's not going to replace real, live, flesh and blood 590 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: music anytime soon. But you know, you need something, and 591 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: you're someone who's merely a fan like I am, you 592 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: can have some fun with it anyway. You know, as 593 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about this, we're talking about what's going on 594 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: in a run and the coverage of it. We're going 595 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: to be joined in the next hour by Tim Graham 596 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: from the Media Research center. 597 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: But I want to go back to John. 598 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: Fetterman, the voice of reason, the voice of common sense, 599 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: which is crazy. You know, there's a part of me 600 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: it's like, would it be better if John Fetterman came 601 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: out and declared that he was a Republican and Republicans 602 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: get the benefit of having having that seat in the 603 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: Senate for purposes of majority, minority, et cetera. Or is 604 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: it better to have a Democrat who says the right 605 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: things and does the right things, not all the. 606 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: Time, but a lot of the time. 607 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm right now inclined to keep him where he is 608 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: because you never know, but you know he is. He 609 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: is someone who is who was not shy from expressing 610 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: his opinion, and I think that's refreshing, you know. 611 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: Let's let's see. We'll start with cut number fourteen. 612 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: Obviously, we know that there's this new allegedly a new Ayatola. 613 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: We haven't seen him. 614 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: We've seen statements from him, we haven't actually seen him. 615 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: We cannot verify that he is amongst the corporeal. John 616 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: Fetterman has not this has not gone with that notice 617 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: of John Fetterman. Let's play at number fourteen. 618 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 10: Dare any of my colleagues to vote against providing our 619 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 10: military the kinds of necessary munitions, the things that they need. 620 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 10: And I largely agree with what the President said that 621 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 10: Iran has essentially been defeated, and why don't the Western 622 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 10: media is just demand that Iran provide proof of life 623 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 10: of the Ayatola because I think the Iranians are doing 624 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 10: kind of like a weekend at Iatola's and trying to 625 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 10: pretend this guy is functional or even alive at this point. 626 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 10: And I think we just called them out and realize 627 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 10: that they're a nation that's been effectively defeated and they 628 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 10: don't have any leadership. They're unwilling to even provide proof 629 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 10: to refute that. So overall, I think it's entirely appropriate. 630 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say, you know, I take a cue from 631 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 2: Greg Gottfeld. 632 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: He said it best last week when he said, the 633 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: guy I feel badly for is the Iatola's driver. 634 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: No, No, why don't we not go anywhere tonight. 635 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: Let's not go down to the corner coffee house and 636 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: hang out. 637 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: Let's let's just let's just stay inside in a bunker, 638 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: deep in a bunker, you know. 639 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: John Fetterman again talking a lot of common sense and 640 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: rationality talking about this issue of the opening of the. 641 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: Strait of hormones. Let's play cut number fifteen. Yeah, it's 642 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: entirely appropriate to ask. 643 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 10: I mean, you know, if the world wants oil and 644 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 10: they want that, then they it's entirely appropriate for them 645 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 10: to just help. I mean, it's unsurprising that the Iranians 646 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 10: would turn to the Chinese. And it seems without a 647 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 10: doubt that the Chinese and the Russians are helping and 648 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 10: conspire Iran to kill Americans. 649 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: And Israelis as well too. 650 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 10: So hold them accountable and make them part of the solution, 651 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 10: because essentially, if Iran doesn't have any military capables left 652 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,239 Speaker 10: other than just a random kind of a drone here, 653 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 10: or they're trying to produce chaos and have that get 654 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 10: amplified and platformed in like the New York Times and 655 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 10: whatever to make it seem that the world's on fire. 656 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 10: And that's just not there. And now every single Democrat 657 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 10: wanted this. We make sure that I Ran could never 658 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 10: acquire a nuclear bomb. 659 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we got that. 660 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: We got the video proof of this. They're just upset 661 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: that it's Donald Trump that is that is taking. 662 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: Care of this. 663 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: Here's the reality, right, Because you'll see a lot of 664 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: misinformation folks out there online, a lot of folks trying 665 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: to claim that there's a big conspiracy that things are 666 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: not going well or as well as the United States 667 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: is saying over in Iran. Now, I have no way 668 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: of knowing specifically what's happening on the ground, in the air, 669 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:41,439 Speaker 1: or in the sea. 670 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 2: I don't. 671 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't claim to. I don't have some inside edge. 672 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: But here's what I do know. I do know that 673 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 1: if things were going truly as badly as some folks 674 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: are claiming that they are, then the MSNBC's I know, 675 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: you can call it m SNOW or ms NOW, whatever 676 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: it is, I still call it MSNB. You know, they 677 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: would be spouting into the high heavens, right, Tucker Carlson 678 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: would have a video spouting it to the high heavens 679 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: a Democracy Now. 680 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: And by the way, you. 681 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: Know, Tucker, if you're agreeing with Amy Goodman from Democracy 682 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: Now on anything, that's less of a sign that Amy 683 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: Goodman has changed her position and more about you. But 684 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: setting all of that aside, that's how we would know. 685 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: We would know because these outlets would be reporting these 686 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: things breathlessly instead of having to resort to mere tricks 687 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: that are out there. Let me talk about the economics 688 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: real quick. I know we got about thirty seconds here. Yes, 689 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: we are knocking down third We were knocking down thirty 690 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: thousand drones of a million dollar missiles. But we are 691 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: also using technology developed by the Ukrainians that is one 692 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: third the cost of these drones to knock them down. 693 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: We have eliminated their airborne command and control and their 694 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: seaborn command and control. That's what's gonna win this, at 695 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 1: least in the near term. Anyway, Listen, Tim Graham Media 696 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: Research Center. When we come back, I'm Andrew Langer. This 697 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: is Tony Katz today