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Speaker 1: He is our friend from the Bloomington Herald Times. He

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Speaker 1: is the beat writer for Indiana Athletics. He is Mike

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Speaker 1: who joins us on the Java House Peeling poor guest line,

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Speaker 1: And I got a feeling Mike Nislick is gonna love

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Speaker 1: if I send him some either the Wrangler energy might

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Speaker 1: be more what he needs or the amazingly smooth Colombian

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Speaker 1: coffee from Java House peeling poor pods because uh, sleep

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Speaker 1: deprivation probably a thing for Mike right now. But there's

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Speaker 1: an energy, even though he is a media man and

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Speaker 1: not necessarily there on a fan trip. There's just an

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Speaker 1: energy about this Indiana football team and what we saw

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Speaker 1: in Pasadena.

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Speaker 2: He is in Chicago on his way back. Mike, how

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Speaker 2: are you. I'm good.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I am well, Thank you. Happy New Year to you,

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Speaker 1: by the way, you let's begin with this. I'm strictly

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Speaker 1: curious from your eyes estimate you would say that that

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Speaker 1: crowd last night was what percent Indiana fans?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's somenny I was talking about that.

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Speaker 4: You see all those media members to throw out numbers,

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Speaker 4: and I think sometimes you think, really but like you know,

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Speaker 4: I spent some time kind of looking at it, and

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Speaker 4: it's hard obviously because the red, the red of it

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Speaker 4: all and the shared colors, but like I was kind

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Speaker 4: kind of watching this one kind of section where all

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Speaker 4: really did feel like eighty twenty, Like I mean that

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Speaker 4: significant of a split. You know, I don't know how

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Speaker 4: that came through kind of on the broadcast, but you know,

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Speaker 4: like the pre game, anytime things Indiana's were shown, there

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Speaker 4: were cheers and Alabama there were just like all the

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Speaker 4: simple stuff of just like a home game type of thing.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, it just felt like and I don't think

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Speaker 4: it's an exaggeration. I think it was that, you know,

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Speaker 4: you saw it in the city kind of leading up

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Speaker 4: to the days of the game, and you're like, many

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Speaker 4: the Alabama's just staying somewhere else, but like it's just

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Speaker 4: the fans, But like, yeah, that's what it felt like

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Speaker 1: You know, the story there are so many storylines about

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Speaker 1: this Mike and at this point, I think we should

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Speaker 1: just throw out any doubts or any reason of doubts

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Kurt Signetti led teams. I just

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Speaker 1: this is a remarkable job that he has done. Now

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Speaker 1: there is some truth to the fact that this is

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Speaker 1: a veteran team. It's not a veteran team in terms

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Speaker 1: in terms of you know, they've used an eel to

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Speaker 1: But Indiana was the one team that showed no layoff,

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Speaker 1: no signs of rust. In terms of those with a bye,

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Speaker 1: they are the only with a buye Obviously, that's well

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Speaker 4: No, And I don't know if there was any magic formula,

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Speaker 4: but I just think I to me, it just sort

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Speaker 4: of was overblown. Look, and I know one, one and

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Speaker 4: and it's because like nothing has tripped them up so far,

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Speaker 4: like none of the distractions, Like I mean, it's been

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Speaker 4: two years of this right where you've had, oh, you know,

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Speaker 4: Ohio State, you know it's here and oh you know

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Speaker 4: they got to go to Penn State or they got

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Speaker 4: to go to Autsin and like nothing has like, oh

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Speaker 4: this is a trap game and it's like none of

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Speaker 4: that stuff. Like he's just he's regimented. He sticks to

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Speaker 4: And you know, these guys.

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Speaker 4: And you mentioned the experience, like the core group of

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Speaker 4: those jam you guys, Like, I just feel like that

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Speaker 4: But I just think this this group is just uniquely

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Speaker 1: I guess at this point, and you know it's fourteen games, right.

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Speaker 1: Is there an area for Indiana Mike, I'll use the

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Speaker 4: I thought it was off as line in terms of

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Speaker 4: you know, figured out right, get pressure your sack and

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Speaker 4: you know, I thought, you know, the right side, you

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Speaker 4: But like and then they dominate up front, you know,

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Speaker 4: don't make mistakes right like we've seen like the special

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Speaker 4: and it's like, how do you know I saw that people?

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Speaker 4: You know, my colleague was one of them picked against Indiana,

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Speaker 4: and I get that, but like my question for them was, like,

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Speaker 4: They they they win that game and I just didn't

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Speaker 1: Know, Mike Nayasileik is my guest. It seems to me,

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Speaker 1: seems like we in the media or fans, whatever it

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Speaker 1: it seems like Indiana's formula is more so We're not

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Speaker 1: and then, knowing that every team is going to make

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Speaker 1: before you know it, you're down seventeen points and then

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Speaker 1: cause the hicck, and it just doesn't happen. It seems

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Speaker 1: like Indiana's preparation is more about the preparation of Indiana

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Speaker 4: Well, part, it's part because I think their philosophy actually

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Speaker 4: worried about what other teams did, what Ohio State did,

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Speaker 4: have to maybe less aggressive? You know, like Brian Haynes

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Speaker 4: regretted it. Right this year, they've said, we've just got

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Speaker 4: to be us. And you know, part of the formula

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Speaker 4: But it's just sticking to what how you call a

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Speaker 4: any sort of change. Even though yeah, Alabama had nine

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Speaker 4: five stars starting, that shouldn't matter. That shouldn't change kind

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Oregon basically was kind of the first, you know, I

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Speaker 4: and they said, no, this is what we are, this

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Speaker 4: Kind of every time they've had a big test, they

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Speaker 1: Mike Nisa is my guess. He's on the Java House

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Speaker 1: it's kind of now turned around and boom, there you go.

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Speaker 1: When you look back to it, it feels like forever ago.

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Speaker 1: But that game with Oregon and Indiana going into Eugene

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Speaker 1: and left on the table that Indiana now has to

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Speaker 4: I think it's really interesting because it's like you get

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Speaker 4: a rematch and I feel like it's like a chess

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Speaker 4: match for the coaches that like, it's like, well, now

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Speaker 4: we've seen everything you've done and we've gone up against it,

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Speaker 4: and so like there's a there's a lot of different

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Speaker 4: you know, like Dan Lanning and kurtsy Getti obviously are

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Speaker 4: there in the semifinals. But like, you know, Dan Lanning,

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Speaker 4: it's Dan Lanning, right, and so like he's really really

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Speaker 4: good in terms of X and o's in terms of program,

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Speaker 4: and it's like, man, what do you counter? And like

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Speaker 4: you's to your point, like what do you change that

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Speaker 4: Like Dante mor didn't particularly play well, they didn't particularly

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Speaker 4: protect the quarterback. Well, you know, like what do you

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Speaker 4: do now? And obviously these teams, you know have you know,

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Speaker 4: that was what we like we said week five or

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Speaker 4: their their body of work and what they've learned kind

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Speaker 4: of throughout the season. I think they're both very different teams.

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Speaker 4: Organs much improved. Indiana has learned a ton because they've

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Speaker 4: I just think it's really interesting. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: Mike, what was the most fun one thing, if at all,

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Speaker 2: The rest of the time, it's I love it out there.

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Speaker 2: The weather was not great. I realized, now, did.

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Speaker 1: You did you red eye at last night or if

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Speaker 4: I did the twelve thirty red eye, So yes, Wow, So.

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Speaker 2: You got no idea what time it is right now? Right?

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Speaker 4: I mean day week, I mean whatever, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Friday, Friday, you're gonna sleep over the course of the

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Speaker 1: a Land Mike, given that especially, I certainly appreciate the

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year to you as well. Look forward to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll talk you downline. Thanks, sir.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Mike Islik from the Bloomton Herald Times

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Speaker 1: Yama joining us now in the Java House, Peel and

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Speaker 1: Tony East joining us now Tony, Happy New Year to you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm buzzing. The Hoosiers are good at football, Jake. That's

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Speaker 2: When you say you're buzzing, you mean you've been drinking.

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Speaker 3: I did, in fact, to drink on New Year's I

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Speaker 1: Allow me to ask this, and by the way, not

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Speaker 2: And here we are, right.

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Speaker 3: And convincing in one of the cases, like wasn't even close.

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Speaker 1: I kind of seemingly I felt none of that this year.

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Speaker 1: I'm not complaining about it. It wasn't like people were papooing it.

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Speaker 3: Like Thursday's kind of a crappy day for New Years

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Speaker 2: Right Friday. Obviously I did it too, right, yeah, right.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this the new year of twenty six.

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Speaker 1: That means twenty twenty five has come to a close.

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Speaker 1: That means the greatest season in Pacer history in terms

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Speaker 3: They all look good, they all look effective, and then

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Speaker 3: which has to be so frustrating if you think you're

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Speaker 2: Close, Tony.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the draft this year, and what

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Speaker 2: And I listen, I'm going to show.

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Speaker 3: Do you recall the whole trade was just the twenty

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Speaker 3: Let's do this now, like you could be gonna get

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Speaker 1: So they end up with what is going to be?

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Speaker 1: Can we safely say that the odds are very high

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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? Right now? Five is there?

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Speaker 3: they're the four worst team. The three worst teams all

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the reason I ask it, Tony, this is and

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Speaker 3: Correct, I'm never a big rookies can impact winning right

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Speaker 3: Like that's true of a lot of young players. But

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Speaker 3: this year, specifically in the NBA, a lot of rookies

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00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 3: have been good. Right, So maybe I'm I'm ahead of

436
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,959
Speaker 3: my skis by saying that all the time. But you know,

437
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 3: you always wonder with a team that's in this situation,

438
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 3: like they're really good now and they're getting a high pick,

439
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 3: like how much can that player actually help them? Now?

440
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 3: How much should they be playing when their goals are

441
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 3: to win? But if these players are as good as

442
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 3: people say they could be. It's obviously a nice needle

443
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,120
Speaker 3: to threat as the Pacers.

444
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Speaker 2: What have we seen, if anything, out of Michael Potter.

445
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been really solid, right they closed or excuse

446
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: me how they closed the game with him and their

447
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,679
Speaker 3: last game they started the second half with him because

448
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 3: I mean, Jay Hoff wasn't effective again or Dana Jackson's out,

449
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 3: Tony Bradley's strengths are what they are. They didn't need

450
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 3: that in particular against the Magic and like he had

451
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 3: six assists in Newston, Micah Potter did. Like a lot

452
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 3: of their centers have never had a six assist game

453
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Speaker 3: in their entire career. He's already made more threes this

454
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Speaker 3: season than Jackson or Wiseman or Bradley has. He's been

455
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 3: on the team for four games. Maybe it's that was

456
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,479
Speaker 3: just a great matchup for him, and we don't see

457
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Speaker 3: those kind of statistical nights from him going forward, but

458
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Speaker 3: he certainly gives them a different element, at least at

459
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Speaker 3: the five. I would say the biggest thing holding him

460
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 3: back is that he's definitely the shortest of their bigs

461
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 3: and maybe the least effective on the glass. But I

462
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 3: mean I also very rarely, when you know, positive about

463
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 3: what he's done in the game, have been like, oh,

464
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 3: he really stunk at this, or like, wow, he made

465
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Speaker 3: a terrible mistake when he did that. Like he just

466
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 3: goes to where he's supposed to and tech the screen

467
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 3: and keeps the ball moving and can hit a jumper

468
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 3: every so often, and that kind of player can be valuable.

469
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Speaker 2: Right.

470
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Speaker 3: It certainly has been well well in their system so far.

471
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 3: They've got it aside on their non guaranteed contracts. At

472
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Speaker 3: some point in the next five days, that's him and

473
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: Tony Bradley. But you know, I would have fought right

474
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Speaker 3: after they signed him that Potter was just a filling

475
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Speaker 3: until Jackson returned. But he's he's at least trying to

476
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 3: make a case that he should stick beyond that because

477
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: he's playing pretty well.

478
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Speaker 1: At what point, Tony Tony East is my guest Java

479
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line. At what point with

480
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Speaker 1: jaris Walker, did we just say to quote, you know

481
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Speaker 1: Denny Green, like he is who he thought he was

482
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Speaker 1: and we we know what it is.

483
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Speaker 3: I have a hard time with answering that, only because

484
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 3: I mean the flashes he's shown above this level were

485
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Speaker 3: like kind of consistent at the end of last year.

486
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 3: I mean, he's shooting twelve percent worse from the field

487
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,959
Speaker 3: than last season. Now, obviously his volume is higher, but

488
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: not by that much. Like it doesn't seem like he

489
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 3: should be shooting this much worse. And the other thing is,

490
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 3: I know he got hurt in the conference finals, so

491
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 3: people forgot, but like he made forty percent of his

492
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: treason play he played in twelve games in the rotation,

493
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 3: like he was okay. He wasn't like awesome, but he

494
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: was okay in the playoffs and better than he is

495
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 3: playing at times this season. So I don't think he's

496
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Speaker 3: as bad as he has shown at times this year.

497
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 3: Like that road trip they went on in early November

498
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, what is happening right now?

499
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 3: Every game was a struggle. But he was like, over again,

500
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: overwhelmingly solid down the stretch of last season. I want

501
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: to say his last like fifteen to sixteen games. I

502
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: can pull it up on talking. Yeah, the last sixteen

503
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 3: games this season. Last year, the Pacers went thirteen to three.

504
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 3: Jis Walker made fifty two percent of all his shots

505
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: and average I can't read. Apparently it was averaging healthy

506
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: numbers across the board eight nine points a game, four rebounds.

507
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 3: Then in the playoffs continued to be productive before he

508
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 3: hit his ankle in the last in that game six

509
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 3: against the Knicks. So I've seen him be better than this.

510
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 3: So I don't want to just use the judgment of

511
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,479
Speaker 3: this season to be like it's over. But this is

512
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: a lot of games where he looks, you know, ineffective,

513
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: or he makes a turnover that makes you scratch your

514
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: head or whatever it is. Even though the rebounding has

515
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: been closer what they hoped, Like, he does make passes

516
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 3: that are knights for a connector type. He does make

517
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: his shots. The last couple of games he's been hitting.

518
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 3: I think he's nine for his last four team from

519
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 3: the field, Like, there is a framework of a player

520
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 3: who is impactable in there, right, and we've seen that

521
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: player exist in real important games before. But this is drive.

522
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: I mean, he is like the least efficient player in

523
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 3: the league on any sort of real volume, and that

524
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: is who he's been for a lot of this season.

525
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 3: His VPM is like bottom five in the entire NBA,

526
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 3: which is one of those all in one impacts stats.

527
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: So I don't know that I think this is truly

528
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: who he is. I think he's better than what he's

529
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 3: showed this year, but I do think he has showed

530
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 3: that there is a the role for him to be.

531
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Speaker 3: The most effective player that he currently can be in

532
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: his current state is a very low volume offensive player,

533
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: like who is more of a connector than a play

534
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 3: finisher or setup man, and that very much limits the

535
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: ceiling of what he can do to help a team

536
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: right now, because then he's just kind of like a

537
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: side guy who's not that great on defense and you're

538
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 3: just kind of hoping to move the ball in and

539
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 3: turn it over that much.

540
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Speaker 5: Tony, when you had me on your podcast Lockdown Pacers

541
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 5: probably a month ago, we were talking about Jarvis Walker,

542
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Speaker 5: and something I brought up to you is that I

543
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 5: was just curious of like, if all the injuries that

544
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 5: have the Pacers have endured this year, guys haven't been

545
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 5: able to kind of clearly define their roles, and I

546
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 5: think Jeris is still in that category, like do we

547
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 5: even know what his role is with this team? And

548
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 5: now that they're starting to get healthier, could we see

549
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 5: that level of play that we saw the final month

550
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 5: to two months of the regular season and the postseason

551
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Speaker 5: that you just highlighted.

552
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point and we were kind of

553
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: asking Rick Carlisle about that before the last game. Is like,

554
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 3: when you're looking at development and trying to plan what

555
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 3: a player's development path is, is it harder to identify

556
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 3: what they're getting better at or what kind of pack

557
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: they're on when you've been so hurt or you've signed

558
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: so many new players, which they had to do all

559
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: that because of their injuries. But that means that Jaris

560
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: Walker in this game is a three play next to

561
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 3: these players in this game, he's a four play next

562
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: to these guys. In this game. He's you know, playing

563
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: in a small ball unit with no center with these

564
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: guys and this game he's starting in this game. He's

565
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 3: not gotayada. Like you all understand it if you've watched

566
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 3: the games that could go on forever. That's hard and

567
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: like we've heard from some of these guys that part

568
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: of development is being able to be good when your

569
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: role changes, right, So this is still not a good thing,

570
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: but it is harder to be consistently impactful when you

571
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: don't know where your shots are coming from every night,

572
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 3: or the guys who are setting you up for those

573
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: shots are different every night or whatever it's going to be,

574
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: that is different. So again, if you're legitimately a great player,

575
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: if your role changes, you're still going to be good,

576
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: right obviously, So that is an obvious, important distinction in

577
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: this conversation. But him and Ben Shepherd and honestly most

578
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: guys with high winzards the team has been have had

579
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: to play kind of a different role all the time.

580
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: If you're a role player on the Pacers, your role

581
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: has been different a lot, and I think that has

582
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: hurt their chance of, you know, consistent game prep, finding

583
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 3: their spots every night. Whereas last year, like you're saying,

584
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 3: they were really healthy, Stretch really healthy and into the playoffs,

585
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: like he was their only major injury in tel Game

586
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: seven of the finals, right, Like they could have played

587
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: everybody in the same role over and over and over again.

588
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: And I think that helped. And so they're getting healthy now,

589
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 3: knock on wood for the first time in thirty whatever games.

590
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: Like maybe that will help is having everybody back and

591
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: ready to go, and then everybody's in the right seat

592
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: on the bus and they can do what they're supposed

593
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: to do or they hoped they were supposed to do.

594
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Speaker 5: Tony East joins us on the Java House Peel and

595
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 5: Port guest line. Tony After the game on Wednesday against Orlando,

596
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 5: Rick Carlisle said, in the second half, we played like

597
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 5: a team together that was supporting each other and not

598
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 5: like strangers.

599
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: That's how this has got to be.

600
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 5: We're having too much petty nonsense going on during games

601
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 5: that needs to go away.

602
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: A two parterre here.

603
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 5: Part one, what petty nonsense do you think that Rick

604
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 5: Carlile is alluding to? And part number two is what

605
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 5: changed in the second half That looked like more of

606
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 5: the pacers of last year, where they were spreading the

607
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 5: ball around and kind of looked more of a cohesive unit.

608
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. I tried to ask for specifics. I know he

609
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna end, but I did want to know if

610
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: he had anything. But he kind of alluded to it

611
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 3: because I he mentioned when he like let off about

612
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: petty nun said how much better their defense was in

613
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: the second half. I think they allowed sixty eight or

614
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 3: points in the first half and forty four or something.

615
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 3: I don't know if that mass right, but something like

616
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: that in that game against Orlando and so I said, okay,

617
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 3: well what was better in that second half? And he said,

618
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: we were concerned with the play that was happening right

619
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: now and the play that was going to be happening

620
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 3: immediately next, and not whether we were touching the ball

621
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: or getting a shot or not getting a shot, that

622
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. And that's when he went on to

623
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: talk about what the team and the organization and ownership

624
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 3: and all that is about, and distractions with officials. So

625
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: I would say that that was very coded. It's something

626
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: in there, right. It was someone not being thrilled with

627
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: their touches, it was somebody flowing coverages, it was somebody

628
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: not paying attention. They were too concerned with something else,

629
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: whatever it may be. And I would also venture that

630
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: they just went on a road a two game road

631
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: trip that you know, it's possible something could have happened

632
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: there that you know, now was the time to get

633
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: that out after they played a game at home and

634
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: had you know, more of their media present, and so

635
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: you know, they've they've lost ten in a row. Like,

636
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: there's a lot of frustrating things going on. You just

637
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: wonder what specifically it is. Like I rewatched the whole game,

638
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: I didn't notice. I mean, I didn't notice any one

639
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: thing that I thought, Wow, that person is obviously complaining

640
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: and rubbing wrong on his teammates. I saw stuff that

641
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: they've done wrong in lots of other games. So I

642
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: don't know that there's anything specific that happened in this game.

643
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: Maybe it was just a culmination of it, but it's

644
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: obviously notworthy that it happens in a game where they

645
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: changed their lineup to start the second half. Jay Huff

646
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: goes to the bench, Johnny Furpy goes to the bench.

647
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it was one of those guys. I'm

648
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: just saying with so many changes, with something like that

649
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: called out, you really wonder what happened, what kind of

650
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: effect it had on the team. And their offense did

651
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Speaker 3: die too, like their defense was way better, but they

652
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Speaker 3: scored fifteen points in the fourth quarter in a loss.

653
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Speaker 3: So they still have to figure out what this is.

654
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Speaker 3: But you know, after Siakam's comments a week or whatever

655
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Speaker 3: ago about you know, wondering what guys are you know,

656
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: focused on, and now this like this is the stuff

657
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: you hear about in a ten game losing streak. They've

658
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: got to get the right attitude going because this does

659
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: them no good, right losing is obviously find this year

660
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: they're in a position and they're almost certainly not gonna

661
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Speaker 3: make the playoffs. But you get nothing from this. If

662
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Speaker 3: you get no development, you just lose every game pathetically,

663
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Speaker 3: and then everybody's really upset. So they got to figure something.

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Speaker 2: Out, Tony.

665
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Speaker 1: If you had to, Tony East, my guests job asse,

666
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Speaker 1: peel and poor guest line. If you had to pick

667
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Speaker 1: up the three remaining teams other than Indiana, and I'm

668
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: now talking college football rank for me, Tony East's power

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Speaker 1: ranking of the team that you would most want Indiana

670
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Speaker 1: if they if they like, We're gonna throw them all

671
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Speaker 1: in a blender here right in Indiana. So it was

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Speaker 1: random the team that you would most fear left for Indiana,

673
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Speaker 1: the second least, and then the third. So I guess

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Speaker 1: you'd go with strongest potential opponent one, middle pack two,

675
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Speaker 1: and the one you would find the weakest opponent three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Oregon's probably the strongest left. Right, they

677
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: have a good coach, they have a good quarterback. I

678
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: you beat them in Eugene, obviously that was a great performance.

679
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Speaker 3: And if I didn't throw a pick six in that game,

680
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 3: they would have looked like they womped them, right, But

681
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: now they're tough, they're good. I think I like Fernando

682
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: being media prepped and ready when they asked him about

683
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: Oregon on the field postgame at the Rose Bowl and

684
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, it's tough to be the team twice.

685
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: Dan Lander, how.

686
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Speaker 1: About the fact, by the way, Tony, how about the

687
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Speaker 1: fact that he was unaware he was unaware that Oregon

688
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: had won, which shows you the focus that Indiana had

689
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: in the pregame of the Rose Bowl to not know

690
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Speaker 1: what was taking place in that game.

691
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Speaker 3: But do you know how I mean, You've seen a

692
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: million athletes innswer that question how hardest? And I'd be like, yeah,

693
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Speaker 3: with being them once we feel confident, like, oh, I know,

694
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: so easy to It's so easy to say that, especially

695
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: if you do feel confident. But he emailed it. Oregan

696
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: is good, you know. I keep thinking, like man Ole

697
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: miss our coaching is like hack gone And I just

698
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: read a report in they Aaho's Morning like that the

699
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: rest of their staff could be gone for this next game.

700
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Speaker 3: So surely they'll fall apart and be the easiest one.

701
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Speaker 3: And then they look awesome against Georgia and this quarterback

702
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: who was in D two somehow, I'd never heard of

703
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: this kid. I don't watch it on the college FOOTBA

704
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: admittedly was like amazing, but they looked really good, so

705
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: I don't know how to feel about that. Miami's defensive

706
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: line was awesome against Ohio State, so they all present

707
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Speaker 3: kind of different challenges. I think Oregon is the best

708
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Speaker 3: team left beside IU. I'll probably say Miami second, almost third,

709
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Speaker 3: but those two our book kind of interchangeably close to me.

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Speaker 1: How about Dick vital sitting the thing that was like

711
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: watching this just further enhances that Notre Dame would have

712
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Speaker 1: beaten any of these teams.

713
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Speaker 3: I I do it, honest man, Like I don't again,

714
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Speaker 3: I don't really watch BESIDESU any college football. But I

715
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Speaker 3: was at a Christmas event that had Texas A and

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Speaker 3: m Miami on. I was like, oh my god, it's like,

717
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Speaker 3: can we just put Notre Dame in now? It's dead?

718
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Speaker 3: It's like this is horrible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Miami though, I mean, Miami has more than

720
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Speaker 1: vindicated themselves now, right yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean that they Crustalhiuse State. They

722
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Speaker 3: were great.

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Speaker 1: It was the greatest thing. Ever right, I mean, is

724
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Speaker 1: there anything? But I went back. I had so much fun.

725
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: I was such a fifth grader. I went back when

726
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: I had sent a tweet probably two months ago that

727
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Speaker 1: just said, and I don't know it was win Mendoza

728
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Speaker 1: was mentioned as it was after the Penn State game

729
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: when Gus Johnson, you know, hyperventilated and said that give

730
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Speaker 1: him the heisman now, and all these Ohio State fans

731
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Speaker 1: were going on and on about Indiana, and I sent

732
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Speaker 1: a postage just simply said I never thought I'd see

733
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Speaker 1: the day where Ohio State fans like are insecure about Indiana.

734
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Speaker 1: And the number of replies of Ohio State fans, dude,

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Speaker 1: We're not even worried about it. We're just gonna win

736
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Speaker 1: the Natty. You know, No noa DA showed me when

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Speaker 1: you went. And it's to know that Ohio State lost

738
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Speaker 1: their last two games. They have more NFL talent than

739
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Speaker 1: probably the other eleven teams combined, and yet Grecian Formula

740
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Speaker 1: went out there with Rosie Cheeks and just completely wet himself.

741
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Speaker 1: I love everything about it. I'm here, you know.

742
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Speaker 3: Duke and I. You football are winning bowl games. Alabama

743
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Speaker 3: the basketball school now Jaco it's a new time and

744
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: then it is.

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Speaker 1: It is man, it is a new frontier, no question.

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Speaker 1: Tony appreciate it. See you tonight, Pacers and Spurs over

747
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Speaker 1: at Gambridge Fieldhouse.

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Speaker 3: You got it.

749
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me right, Tony East joining me, Java House,

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Speaker 1: Peel and Poor guest Line joining us now in the Peelum,

751
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: the Peeling Port, the Java House, Peel and por guest Line,

752
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure thrilled to be doing so. Based on

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Speaker 1: that intro, you hear him in the morning along with

754
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Speaker 1: jeff Rickord and Kevin Bowen on the Fan Morning Show.

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00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: James Boyd joining us on the show, James, Happy New Year,

756
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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. I want to begin with this for

757
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Speaker 1: the Colts coming up on Sunday, Riley Leonard is in

758
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Speaker 1: at the quarterback spot. We now know that Philip Rivers

759
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Speaker 1: will be essentially the emergency quarterback, which, let's be real,

760
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Speaker 1: his entire existence with the Colts this year was emergency quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But are there other positions where we may see some

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Speaker 1: understudies getting reps extensively?

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Speaker 2: Because why not?

764
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Speaker 6: Yeah? I think they could be the case. I think

765
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Speaker 6: obviously you already got the one of studies out there

766
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Speaker 6: at cornerback because he got injuries. Do we see someone

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Speaker 6: like DJ Gadens get.

768
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Speaker 3: In at running back?

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Speaker 6: He hasn't played, and I feel like a few weeks

770
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Speaker 6: is that worth it at this point to keep JP

771
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Speaker 6: sort of healthy and if he's a finale So those

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Speaker 6: some of this as I'm looking at it. And then again,

773
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Speaker 6: because the injury, you're already playing the young guys up front,

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Speaker 6: with Jalen Travis starting to get right tackles the James.

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Speaker 1: When you look at this season, and obviously it goes

776
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Speaker 1: without saying that there are you know, colossal disappointment throughout

777
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Speaker 1: and I get that the injury comes into play with

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. You know, we've gone over all of this.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you a two part question. The

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Speaker 1: first is if, and we're going to strictly speak into hypothetical,

781
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Speaker 1: if the Cults are to make a change in their direction,

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Speaker 1: be it the general manager or the head coach, we

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Speaker 1: will know that. How long after the completion of Sunday's game.

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Speaker 6: That's a great question. I would say within twenty four hours. Okay,

785
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 6: it's a little bit different because it's a road game,

786
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 6: but yeah, he is you making that announcement very soon?

787
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Speaker 1: Okay, The second question is, do you, James Boyd, believe

788
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Speaker 1: that announcement will be heard, meaning what do you believe

789
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Speaker 1: they will make a change at either of those two spots.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I don't think that that will happen, but I

791
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 6: think it probably should happen when it comes to Chris Ballard.

792
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Speaker 6: I can see why they will probably want to stick

793
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Speaker 6: with this because of the injuries that plagued the team

794
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 6: this year, But personally, I just think that it's stale

795
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Speaker 6: when it comes to Chris Ballard. And at some point

796
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Speaker 6: you can't look at year nine as a standalone season

797
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Speaker 6: and forget about everything that kind of led up to

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Speaker 6: this year as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe again a hypothetical, and I only say

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Speaker 1: it because it adds perspective. Okay, if the Colts had

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Speaker 1: had the exact same season, James, Let's say that the

802
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Colts that Daniel Jones had never gotten hurt, and let's

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Speaker 1: say they didn't even start eight and two. You know,

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Speaker 1: let's say that they just had a season where they

805
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: win one, lose one, win one, lose one, win one,

806
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Speaker 1: lose one, and they and they finished eight and nine.

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Speaker 1: Would they still maintain the same course? In other words,

808
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: we can say that the injury is reason why Chris

809
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: Ballard gets another year, But do we know definitively that

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00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: he would not have gotten another year anyway, because he

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Speaker 1: has a year left on his contract and because there

812
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: are other areas right now that Carli Ursa, Gordon and

813
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Speaker 1: the family have to focus on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we don't know that. I don't make it very clear.

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Speaker 6: I'm not advocating for Chris Ballard to get a tenth

816
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Speaker 6: of the season. I just think that given the situation,

817
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Speaker 6: they're end where they work in their future in the

818
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 6: false gardener's tray with no first round picks for the

819
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Speaker 6: next two years. In the older movies you make if

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Speaker 6: you probably thinks you're going to bring back your GM

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Speaker 6: and your head coach. But yeah, when I look at

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Speaker 6: the totality of everything, it's hard to sit here and

823
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Speaker 6: try to excuse the collapse at the end and to

824
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Speaker 6: answer question me in eight to nine and the way

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Speaker 6: you kind of get there. I do think had it

826
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Speaker 6: been kind of up and down, then they will be

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Speaker 6: looking at this from a different angle and perhaps it's

828
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Speaker 6: like blow it all up and get rid of everybody.

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Speaker 6: But I still think there's a part of this team

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Speaker 6: in this regime that can convince themselves that, hey, before

831
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Speaker 6: the injuries kind of bid us, we were one of

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Speaker 6: the best teams in the NFL, and to their credit,

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Speaker 6: they probably are right. I lean towards them being a

834
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Speaker 6: better team than they were obviously with all the injuries.

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Speaker 6: But man, it's hard for me to sit here and

836
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Speaker 6: say that I feel strongly about running this all back

837
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Speaker 6: because ideally, what's you're ceiling and I don't know how

838
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Speaker 6: high it is or how low it is. With this group,

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Speaker 6: I still think even with the injuries, you had to

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Speaker 6: find a way to win a game, and you haven't.

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Speaker 2: Done that, James.

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Speaker 1: If they were to replace Chris Ballard, the fact of

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00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: no first round pick for the next two years, the

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Speaker 1: fact of a change in ownership of which there is

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Speaker 1: still non familiarity league wide in terms of how and

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Speaker 1: that's not an indictment on Carly Orsa Gordon at all.

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Speaker 1: The reality is simply that we don't really know what

848
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Speaker 1: her ownership style is going to be, okay, and the

849
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Speaker 1: fact that you could look at it and say, in

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Speaker 1: her first year she immediately made a seismic move. Is

851
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Speaker 1: it the possibility that somebody who is a potential candidate

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Speaker 1: to fill that job would actually have pause in coming

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Speaker 1: to Indianapolis for the reasons I just laid out.

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Speaker 6: I think some whould, but I think that's been overstated.

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Speaker 6: There's only thirty two of these jobs in the NFL,

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Speaker 6: really about thirty one if she count Jerry Jones, because

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00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 6: he's also GM for the Cowboys, so they should have

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Speaker 6: plenty of suitors if they make a change at the

859
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Speaker 6: GM position. But even when I look at all the scenarios,

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Speaker 6: it's hard for me to envision a GM coming in

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Speaker 6: and sitting down and saying this is my plan for

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Speaker 6: the future without it being a very I think three

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Speaker 6: to five year plan. I get that all gens tried

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Speaker 6: to come in with that, But at the same time,

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Speaker 6: there is no pathway if you blow this up and

866
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Speaker 6: get rid of the GM, and I opinion to say

867
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 6: you're going to be immediately in contention next year. I

868
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 6: just don't think that's a very real way to look

869
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 6: at this, because at the very least, you're if you

870
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 6: keep give her to the GM, keep staying piking, you're

871
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 6: banking on Dale Jones coming off of Achilles here being

872
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 6: your best and the most important player, and that to

873
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 6: me is not a gamble. That's a wise one, James.

874
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: Before we let you go, I'm going to give you

875
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: a couple of names. When I give you the name,

876
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me one to ten, ten

877
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: being absolutely certain, one being totally not pot you know, unlikely. Okay,

878
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a player. I want you

879
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: to tell me one to ten, ten being the most

880
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: certain that they will be when I name a person

881
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: as to whether or not they will be a member

882
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: of the Cults organization beyond this son Day in terms

883
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: of moving into next year, you ready, h Anthony Richardson

884
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: four Daniel Jones.

885
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 6: Depends on if the coaches in GM were brought back.

886
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 6: But I'll go eight.

887
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 7: Alec Pierce, Mmm, I'm might go I'm gonna go six

888
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 7: on that a little bit lower because he'll have plenty of.

889
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 6: Suitors if he a free agency nigga tag him No.

890
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 2: DeForest Buckner, Oh.

891
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 6: That's a good question. I'll cop out that defn't toss

892
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 6: up for me. I'm gonna go five money. He's got

893
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 6: big money on the contry next year, coming off next sursury.

894
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 6: I'm not so sure about Buckner being a definite yet.

895
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor.

896
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 6: I'll up seven on that. I think I'll be.

897
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: Bad Chris Ballard, Oh, I'll go six.

898
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 6: I think that it's more likely than not that he's back.

899
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: Shane stiking.

900
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 6: Seven put him a little bit higher than I think

901
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 6: he has a better case to be back. But yeah,

902
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 6: and again, I'm not advocating for Chris Bellens to be

903
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 6: brought back, but I do think it's more likely than not.

904
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: Personally, Okay, last one, lou and Aroumo.

905
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 3: I know seven.

906
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 6: I think that it's pretty expected that he'd be back

907
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 6: at this Virginia's back.

908
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: Unless he gets a job, Unless he gets a head

909
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: coaching job, right.

910
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I also don't think that he can really

911
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 6: sell this defense or what he's done this season one

912
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 6: year here to go get a head coaching job at

913
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 6: this point, especially a job at the Giants. I just

914
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 6: don't see that being realistic.

915
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 1: By the way, several people would like to know whether

916
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: or not it is in the bottom of the ocean

917
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: or through your latest purchase from the my pillow guy

918
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: that you're talking on the phone.

919
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: It is.

920
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 6: I asked any about selling his fun if I'm working

921
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 6: with old air pods, So next time I'll talk to

922
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 6: you on the old traditional phone.

923
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: The old air pods. It sounds fine to me. It

924
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: sounds a little end of the tin can to me.

925
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: But that's okay.

926
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: But several people pointed out, so I figured I'd asked,

927
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: all right, James, New York's resolution for you anything big?

928
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 6: No, not really, stay alive. That's always a good one.

929
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. All right.

930
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: Well, enjoy Houston. If you get bored during the game,

931
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: walk across the street. I can give you the way

932
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: to get into the Astrodome, which I broke into several

933
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: years ago. Or if you walk out of NRG Stadium,

934
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: take a left you can go into Fiesta, which is

935
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: a huge grocery store.

936
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: I've never been to, but it looks like a party.

937
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 2: So either way, enjoy it, all right.

938
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 6: All right, brother, thank you?

939
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: All right, James boy joining us on the job of

940
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: house Peel and poor guests.