WEBVTT - Casino (30th Anniversary) 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:05.920 The Frames per Second podcast. 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:16.120 Podcast anniversary review Thirty years ago, nineteen ninety five, Martin 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:23.840 Scorsese directed Casino. Casino stars Sam As Rostein is, Robert 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:28.400 de Niro, Nicki Saren Toro is Joe Pessi, and Petty 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.800 excuse me Nicki back played by Joe Pesci, and then 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:38.599 Ginger McKenna, a charmer who's played by Sharing song. All right, 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.800 go around the room. Did you guys rewatch Casino? You're 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:44.040 doing it off memory and. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.279 That you did? Did? 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.680 Hold up, Mike, gonna start with you. I rewatched it. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.400 I haven't watched the viol and yeah, I mean it's 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:52.879 it's good, it's not. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.080 I mean that I need to watch over and over 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.040 because once you know what happens, then it's kind of like, 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:58.080 all right, I'm good. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:00.440 Oh you know this is one of them. Do you 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.640 think that's one of those movies? Yeah? I don't ever 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:03.520 have to rewatch this. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.240 Film because it's like the whole cool thing about the 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.520 original time of watching it is like watching how the 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.080 story breaks down and watching how Joe Pesci and Robert 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:14.920 de Niro's. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.400 Characters kind of fall apart. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.759 Once you know all that, it's just like, all right, 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.120 what am I watching here because honestly, I don't think 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.840 that this is one of Scorsessi's best to me really, 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:31.520 nah nah, I think a lot of it is killed 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.840 by the terrible practical effects. Like it starts off with 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.399 one of the worst effects of all time where he 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.480 gets in the car and it skips and it's a 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.640 dummy that's like this, it blows up. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.840 It's so bad, Mike. They're shooting people with no blood. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.520 Thank you. It makes no sense. 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.360 Like when Joe Peshi grabs that one dude and shoots 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.040 him in the head. It's like, bro, the bullet would 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:55.560 have gone through his head and into your arm. What 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:56.320 are we doing here? 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.600 It's not it's a story stabbed him. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:07.200 They had when he killed that woman that were snitched, 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:12.640 that Sue Peter Green. Joe walked into her house very similar, 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.520 grabbed by the head, shot her two or three times. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:21.920 No blood comes out. It's weird. There's multi exactly what 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.600 multiple like like nothing? Yeah, you know you're not gonna 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:27.720 grab somebody. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.440 That's crazy as teeny wing as he is too. You 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.400 really put somebody in the head lock and shooting him. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.240 It's not it's yeah, this is not the thing. That 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:37.800 makes it movie be. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:38.440 Good as a story. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.840 The story is awesome, but the movie itself it's great. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:44.800 It really is a great film. But it's not something 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:45.959 I need to watch over and over. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.520 Yeah, I don't think it's that type of film. There 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.520 are films like that where it's like, Okay, once I 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.320 know it, what's the point of watching this again. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.560 I think for this one, you rewatch it just. 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:01.120 For like the acting of the the characters or whatever, 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.560 like the lines or whatever like, and then the story 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.600 is good. I think the story as long as hell. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.360 So you mean I tried to go rewatch it. I 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.320 just couldn't get through it in time for the review. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.519 I mean, but I've seen this movie like four or 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.080 five times, you know what I'm saying. But I didn't 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.280 want to watch the whole thing just to see how 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.120 it felt. I just wasn't able to get through the 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.480 whole thing. But the parts that I did see, watched 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.040 about half of it. Yeah, it's like, yeah, this this 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.799 still holds up. It still holds up. There was a 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.320 little bit more of a lore for it back in 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.840 the day for it for me like, oh that ships 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:38.839 gangst you know what I'm saying. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.360 Like, but as I'm older. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.600 It's like it don't hit quite the same, you know, 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.760 so so yeah, but but nah, yeah, still it's still. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.280 I think it's still. I think it's one of his best. 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.280 I think it's one of his best. Honestly, Ken, what 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:54.960 say you do it? 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:55.360 Hold up? 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:56.840 Yeah? 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:57.560 Yeah, I think so. 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.200 I think I think the story is the story I 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:04.120 think regardless of I think it the work for a 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.560 lot of generations. I think the disconnect would come and 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.360 just you know, some of the comical way. Like you 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.880 it's ninety five, it's not the fifties assisted you can 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:15.440 show blood. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:17.760 So I think the. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.400 Times, yes, it's weird, it was just the times he 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.440 that picked and choose. I don't think I've ever really 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:26.719 noticed that until this time. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:28.039 I was like, wait a minute. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.039 But it doesn't take away from the movie. It's just 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:35.040 funny as fuck, you know. But I didn't rewatch it. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.039 You know, but I wasn't paying attention to it because 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:38.039 I've seen it so many times. 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:39.640 I don't know why I've seen this. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.800 Movie the same thing. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.880 I've seen it so many times. But I did rewatch 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.880 it as well. It lost a little bit of the law, 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.880 Like you said, right, it lost a little bit because 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:56.160 essentially it's just about Sam being like. 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:57.960 Pussy will pussy whip. 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.760 Yeah, like, for lack of a better word, like you 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.200 just I'm over his chick who game on you the 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:02.839 whole movie. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:07.000 But my thing is that even warned him. She warned him. No, no, no, Yeah, 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:07.599 he was stupid. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.240 He was absolutely dumb, But he said he narrates that though, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.279 he said, Look, I know I was probably the dumbest 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.040 shit I've ever done in my life. But but I 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:19.080 do like the the idea how women can make you crazy. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.400 We're seeing it all the main we see that women 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.080 to be the downfall in most of these movies. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.719 He was his downfall though it be, but like she, 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:32.039 she let him down. This is what you're getting into. Yeah, 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.680 he said it. He said it. He said, Look I 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.160 in the narration, He's like, Yo, I was stupid. 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:37.440 I was. 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.320 You know, this is probably the dumbest thing I've ever. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.880 Done because he's so in control of everything else except 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:42.840 this part of his life. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.760 And the love will do that. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.479 That's what I'm saying, King, all right, so let's start 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:50.479 with the opening credits. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.440 That's what he should have told her. Put on that 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.920 Tony Bratton. Hell, I'm sorry. He was the king of Simps. 0:05:58.120 --> 0:05:59.880 Bro, I'm telling you, he was like it was. 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.280 I didn't even remember thinking that bad about him when 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:03.839 I was younger. 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:04.960 I did. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.680 It was almost it was because you said it was 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.080 a gangster movie, so I appreciated the gangster aspects of 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:09.480 it and stuff. 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:10.600 But watching it, but that was. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.120 The part that wasn't at all. This motherfucker is so 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:17.839 stupid watching it, everybody knew what everybody knew. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:19.200 He was trying to turn the hole into the house, 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:23.960 like he walked in rooms and they was like on 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:24.520 a wedding day. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.480 She talking to crime to this nigga. Yes, I'm let 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.560 a little person hit Like, what the fuck? How you 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.200 get cheated on by fucking gangster Tyrion? 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:39.599 He didn't really even care. Oh my god, bro, like 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:40.080 he was. 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.880 She gave him that trump before we get into the movie, 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.520 did she did They do a good job of presenting 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.760 her in a way that he would have been that 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.760 head over here. No, No, we needed about twenty more 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.840 minutes to understand this because I was just like, Bro, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.880 Sharon Stone is good looking for an old white lady. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.200 But it was like, why was he so enamored by her? 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.200 They should have played some she was just stealing because 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:06.400 what she was just stealing? 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.840 Stealing. I think he was she was still in some game. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.960 But I'm saying his first introduction to her was at 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.080 the table where she was still people. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.120 She's just a thief. Yeah yeah, and he fell in 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:24.240 love right there. That was insane. I was he was 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:32.600 watching basic instinct. He seems basicast. He was like me. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:35.680 I give you the world. I changed the life. You 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.720 never what he said. He's like, look, you said I 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.720 changed your life. You ain't gotta never workhip working. 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:43.120 Yeah. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.160 Yeah, she turned down at the proposal and everything. It's 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:47.480 like she didn't even want you. 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.040 And you know what, And again I think that was 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.680 like a she's more like like a guy that has 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.800 so much pride, like I can get it's a challenge, 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.760 you know what I'm saying. I think that was the thing. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.280 I think because she was a challenge but you don't 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:01.800 want me shit. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:06.680 Well, she was also, you know, outside of being caught 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.880 up in her penalty slash child, a sweetheart. She viewed 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.280 herself as an independent woman, not needing them. 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:14.200 Man, even though that. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:19.000 Wasn't but in her mind she was like, I'm independent, 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:20.320 I don't need your money, I can go get my 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:20.720 own ship. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.160 She's a damn lie. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.000 Right, true. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.840 He definitely upgraded her life. 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.800 The opening told us exactly what type of tragedy we 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.480 are going to be dealing with. Mike, I saw with you. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.640 How did you like the narration style switching back and 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:41.840 forth between Ace and what's his name? 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.040 Nick this is That's something I've never loved about this 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:53.560 because it doesn't really make sense. Like, so it starts 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.679 off and it gives us the impression that what's what's. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.559 Robert and Neil's characters? Him again Ace. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.520 It gives the impression a dead but he's narrating, so 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.959 I'm like, okay, Ace is probably not dead. And then 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.679 it gives us Nicky's voice, but Nikki is dead, so 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.520 it's like, well, what's happening here? 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.120 Why are I just didn't I don't know. I've never 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:16.840 loved that. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.680 About it never bothered me before until this time watching it, Really, 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.120 I was like, bro, it just it was weird and 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:22.640 off putting. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.520 Yeah, it's very off putting, but this doesn't make any sense. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.480 It didn't bother me, I think just because it's it's 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.640 just is the movie, and I've watched it so many times, 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.360 I just just. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.319 Just go with it. But I've never thought about it. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.040 Yeah beyond that, Yeah. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:40.120 That's interesting. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.280 I never even Yeah, same thing with Ken. I never 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.400 thought about it. So y'all just said it, like, yeah, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.880 Nikki is technically dead, so how is he narrating? 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:50.840 But they do that. They've done that before. 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.320 Movies, though, and I never like it. It's like, why 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:57.440 is this dead person there? Well, Na, there's been a 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.960 couple of times it's worked. I think it just did 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.120 and work for this movie because it was bouncing back 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.080 and forth between someone that's dead and someone that's not. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.640 And then they had that one guy towards the end 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.520 who did a voice over too. 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:10.760 They just did it in weapons right, they had the 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.679 little kid in the area that was dead. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.720 The kid wasn't dead. He only wanted is the one 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:19.199 that they survived and. 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:20.560 They got I'm talking about when he was talking to 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.439 the Bob, the my boss, and he was like, as 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.720 he's sleeping around with old girls, uh, old boy's wife, 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.200 And then the characters started. 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.079 Oh, that's right, he did. He did. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.880 If I had told him he'd killed me to, I 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:37.600 couldn't tell. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:41.520 Him that he was sucking his way. Yeah, didn't bother me. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:46.280 Okay, So we go to Ace running Tanglers. He's talking 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.959 about the odds, cheating systems, scams, comps, basically explaining in 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.480 Vegas and how the mob took it over. Question in 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.520 this one. Ace is a really good operator. We see, 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.040 like you said, he tells people what to do, how 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.760 to do it. He knows how to run Vegas essentially. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.280 But also we've spoken about how emotionally blind he is 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:10.400 when it came to Sharon Stone's character. How did y'all 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.400 read him for that? Like, did y'all look at him 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.760 as like he's a sucker? Or like is he one 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.640 of the smartest gangsters that you've seen. 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:24.040 On a simple bro his whole movies? Did that take 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.959 away from the other stuff he was doing? I'll ask 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:26.280 you that. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.840 No, No, because him as a gangster. Yeah, because a 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.760 lot of gangsters are sucking simps. 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.960 So yeah, that was fine. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.160 I mean, in all honesty, he never really did like 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:39.960 gangster ship. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.640 He just ran right. It was Nikki his crew that 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:45.319 was helping him. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.319 They were his protectors, you know, make sure he was straight. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:49.600 But now he ran like. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.640 A gangster at one point, especially when the dudes were 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:56.520 doing a car in the beginning, and he had the motherfucking. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.160 Mass like, yo, which hand do you use that? 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.400 He was like, you know, you want the hamm on 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.760 your money or you want like you. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.000 Want to hand on the money, or you want to 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.480 leave out of it. I'd like to just go, like. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:16.199 Just give me that money my hand, he said, throw 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:17.439 him out until he got hit by a. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:22.040 Car, go to the hospital. That was crazy, throw a car. 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.360 Us he was a gangster. He just was like one 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.680 of them, low key. Yeah, he wasn't like muscle type gangs. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.120 So like NICKI was, Nicky was like a muscle but 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:31.880 he was just like a boss type gangs. 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.800 You know. Yeah, I forgot about that because the rest 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.080 of the movie he was damn fucking. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.520 Yeah, him being a ship and take away from the 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:39.680 gangs and stuff for you, right. 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.760 A little bit, A little bit for me, a little 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:45.800 bit because it's like, man, why you could be so dumb? 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.120 It's just aggravated the whole It's it's like a part 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:49.800 of the movie that's really aggravating. 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.280 Yeah, it's like because he never likes At some point 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.040 it seemed like you realize and he never it never 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:57.160 clicked for he. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.080 Trusted her with two million dollars. 0:12:59.200 --> 0:12:59.760 He was suid. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.920 That didn't make any sense. This girl already, I'm sorry. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:11.280 She's trying to tell you yes, yes, you got the yes. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.640 I'm not the one you're looking for. Yes, give me 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.160 the key Jesus to saving you. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:22.320 If you get what it's snowballs with her. It was 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.439 like that was aggravating, that wasting. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.160 Even back then, it was aggravating, Like, Yo, how can 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.880 he be such a so smart at this business but 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.479 so dumb in a relationship? 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:33.840 Insane? 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.200 Speaking of Nikki, we talked about hell rob he robs 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.440 to Vegas because they wanted to put their eyes on 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.400 the situation, see what was going on. Nikka comes to town. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:47.439 Jesus is a fresh town. He all all his shenanigans 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.720 can get off back here. Nobody out there to check him. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.960 Did y'all like this portrayal of Nikki arriving and how 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.160 he was handling everything, just being out of control. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:14:01.040 I feel like he took the show like it was 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:02.120 like this is his movie. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.040 But he tended to do that back in the day 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:08.760 though he did its films. Anytime he's in the movie, 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.319 it's like, oh, it's his now facts, But but no, 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:12.560 I like I liked his role. 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:14.959 I like the and this is like based on a 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:15.480 true story. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.280 I think Joe Petty's role is loosely based on the 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.520 Mob and force. The name Anthony Spollutro. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:27.360 Yeah, the legend right right right, Chicago Mob Mafia or whatever. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.320 So yeah, I mean I thought I thought this whole, 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:33.000 this whole concept, this whole storytelling was was really dope 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.240 or whatever. But yeah, I like what he brought to 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.840 the to the movie by moving there. He's like, oh, 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.600 thank you, I got your permission, thank you. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.840 That was funny. That was good throughout. Man, he was 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.680 so good through one lounges and ship like that, so good. 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.400 For a second, I thought it was ain't no. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:56.520 Dan, I used to get them mixed up to what 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:01.960 I did. I was young. I ain't No. They don't 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:07.240 look nothing alike physical statue. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.680 Yeah, I see how you call the people, Chubby, I 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:13.680 said around. 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.280 So A said the perfect system going on out of 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:24.400 the face. And then Nicky came and just ship pissed. 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:25.080 All over his parade. 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.640 What do you think about how he had destabilized Ace's 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:29.400 perfect system? 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.720 Well you can also it's it's a different type of sense, 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.640 but he's still It was a sucker for Nikki too, 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:38.480 and he let. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.640 Him come up there, have a choice. Yeah, he was 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.400 trying to tell him not to. Yeah, he was trying 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.960 to nicely tell him not to. It's not to say him. 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:47.080 He couldn't say. 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.880 He knows, he can't say no. It's Nicky, but he's 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:51.320 on coming. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.480 I thought the bosses also send him up there. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:55.960 That's what I'm saying. That's why he couldn't say no. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.880 He was just saying that he asked NICKI only asked 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:00.960 him out as a sign of respect. He's right, like 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:02.760 I could just come out here and just start shaking 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:04.800 it up, right, But I'm gonna make you think you 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.720 important by running this back. That's why, thanks for your permission. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.840 Well, yeah, he should have said no, but he couldn't say. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.080 In the desert fucked him up or something. 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:19.720 Nicky couldn't sucked him up. What do you mean, because he. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.640 Was because he's making all that money for them, they would. 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.160 Have take they would have taken Nikki out, even though 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:27.960 Nikki was protected. So but you can tell Nikki was. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:28.680 A wild card. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.800 Like you know when that guy was up there at 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.680 his feet on the thing and he went and I 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.160 was a pretty big guy. He just starts slapping him around. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:42.160 That It was funny you telling my friend you like 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:44.200 how he reached. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:49.120 Him right right, he said he's not talking. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:50.680 Was definitely stretched out. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.960 Yeah, he definitely did like spunch out. 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.680 Yeah, until my friend to funk off? Right, where's all 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.760 that energy now? Like he was just like, yeah, he 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:03.480 was so good and. 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:07.480 This ship he was how didn't get away with that ship. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:11.080 Because he was sucking made man o man can get 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.440 away with it like that. They know he got back 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.000 and if they do something to he did say he 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.640 was made. Yeah he's a mad man. But I used 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:23.080 ton't though, right, Yeah he was just Jewish. 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.959 Yeah, yeah, that one threw me off too because I'm 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.119 just used to him being a fucking Italian guy. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.119 But him call him a jew and stuff. I was 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:37.040 just like, yeah, they called him slur They did the Irish. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.119 They did that in The Irishman too. He wouldn't like, 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:40.080 I don't think. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.960 He was k Yeah. And then if you watch Nick 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.879 used he was a couple. He used the N word 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.160 and then the ESSEN word, yeah, saying. 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.720 Yeah yeah they all. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.800 The character was in war Walk Empire. They used to 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.800 make a big deal like and you a ros Ace Rothstein. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.080 That's the same the guy that what's his face played 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.200 the guy that what's the eyes that looks like a. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.200 Yeah, I didn't realize that was the. 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.919 Same Oh so he almost got blown up but then 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.000 later actually did get killed. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.760 Wow, I didn't know it was the same guy. That's interesting. 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.960 So this is the tielor this might he says a 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:31.000 side tail. This is tied to that, I guess. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:32.840 So his name. 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:39.760 In this right here, just like it's a couple of 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:41.600 you know, it's a couple of different James Williams. 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.280 What can't be the same guy because the time period 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.280 for Bowalk Oh, yeah, it was like in the. 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:49.280 It was a dude. It was a Jewish dude. Isn't 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.440 the names that they interested? That's interesting? 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.120 Maybe a Rothstein is a common name, like Ken just said, 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:58.960 Joe Brown or some ship. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.600 So now we're at the point where he meets Ginger, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:07.119 who we've been talking about seeing her hustling at a 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.560 high roller table and he's instantly smitten by her, which 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.880 I have no understanding as to why he didn't even 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.160 get to the game that she ran yet. 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:18.520 But we talked about how I'll put it, this was 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.520 anything I want to dive into here when he meets her. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:24.560