1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Live from ball Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: More and more and more people. 4 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 3: Discussing the idea that we might be going to war. 5 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: With a Ram and I cannot square the circle on 6 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: how this works. 7 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: Tony Kats, Tony Katz Today, Good to be here, Good 8 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 3: to be with you. 9 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: Eight. I was gonna give the number. I should give 10 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: the number eight. 11 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: Three three four six eight eight six sixty nine eight 12 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: three three Got Tony, It's hey. You get to be 13 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: a part of the show live streaming. Anyplace you get 14 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: your live stream YouTube. 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 2: Twitter, ex Tony Kats. 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: Look for Tony Cats on YouTube, Facebook, Tony Cats Radio. 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: I get the issue. 18 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: The people who don't believe that Iran is a problem 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: and is a detriment to peace in the region don't 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: understand the region. 21 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: And I'm not just talking about Tucker and Kansas. 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: I'm talking about people who want to believe that somehow, 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: whatever Iran does, that's there a business and not our business, 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: and we don't have to concern ourselves with it. Not 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: only do you have the funding of terrorism and regarding 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: Hesblu and Hamas and the Huti rebels, you have an 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: Iran that is very disruptive to what can be a 28 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: more serene situation. Are these people in these regions ever 29 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: really going to like each other? Not necessarily? I ask 30 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: you right now, does the United States really like Canada 31 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: and Mexico? 32 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: Maybe it should be asked a different way. 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: Does it matter? It doesn't matter if we like the 34 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: Mexican government. What matters is on areas of trade that 35 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 3: we can work together we do, And what matters is 36 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: they're respectful of our border. 37 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: When they're not respectful of our. 38 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: Border, I believe that we should be proactive in telling 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 3: them so. 40 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: I do not think we do a. 41 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 3: Good enough job of taking Mexico to task on what 42 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: they have allowed to happen. I can argue, as you 43 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: could argue taking a look at the data over the 44 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 3: last four years, that Joe Biden put America on a 45 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 3: suicide mission. It was call it suicide, call it attempted 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: murder of a nation. That's obvious. The unwillingness to protect 47 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: the border was purposeful. I'll say it today, I'll say 48 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: it every day. It is reality. It was purposeful. And 49 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: I could talk about years of both parties not doing 50 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: enough to secure the border, but in those last four years. 51 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: It's it's it's absolute madness, madness that took place. 52 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: And I think that we should be taking a look 53 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: at at. 54 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: Mexico and holding them responsible for what it is they 55 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: allowed to have happened. We should hold other nations responsible 56 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: for what they have sent our way. And I don't 57 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: think we should just say, hey, you shouldn't do this again. 58 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: I think we should be unkind about it. When it 59 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: comes to Iran. I do not think that the Jordanians 60 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: and the Israelis and the Egyptians are ever going to 61 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: have monthly tea parties. But maybe if they weren't trying 62 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: to kill each other, maybe, if they didn't hate each other, 63 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: maybe if they engaged a little bit of trade, maybe if. 64 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: There was a little bit of a that's the word 65 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: I'm looking for, tourism. Great. Isn't that enough? I don't 66 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: need Kumbaya moments. 67 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: I would just like to stop some killing, please, get 68 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: some trade going, and make it a little easier to entertain. 69 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: Sometimes the best you can do. Iran is a problem 70 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: in getting any of that done. 71 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: Never mind the fact that Iran has been oppressing its 72 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: people for going on five decades with this Islamic healthscape 73 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 3: nonsense that none of them wants. They're not Islamists, they're Persians. 74 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: Should think of them as Europeans. So they over the 75 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: years have engaged in levels of protest. 76 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: And when the. 77 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: Green Revolution came about when Barack Obama was in office, 78 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: on air, I stated that what Barack Obama needs to do, 79 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: he doesn't have to send any troops. 80 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: You need to put on a green tie. 81 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: You need to get in front of a microphone and say, 82 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: I only hope that the people, the Iranian people can 83 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: find their way to a better tomorrow. When they do, 84 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 3: we will be there as their friend, with our arm 85 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 3: out stretched to shake their hands and engage in trade. 86 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: That's what I said. I said on them. I didn't 87 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: have this show at the time, had a different show 88 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: at the time. 89 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: On that show, same thing is true. But Obama didn't 90 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: do that, and the same thing is true. Now you 91 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 3: have to do the work. Yes, you're gonna have to 92 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: put yourself at risk to do it, and we will 93 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: be right here to be your friend. 94 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: And we are your friend. 95 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 3: We want to see you be free. So I believe 96 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: that a fair amount of this falls on the people 97 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: of Iran. We should recognize that they can't do it alone. 98 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: We should also recognize that our world is better and 99 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: safer without the regime. The funding of the terrorism affects US. 100 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: It does. To say otherwise is nutty. 101 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 3: And Trump has told these protesters, these people that help 102 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: is on its way. This brings us to the story 103 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 3: that the US is sending significant numbers of jet fighters 104 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: that support aircraft to the Middle East. This was from 105 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal. This came out last night. The 106 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 3: story says that the US is ready to take action 107 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: against Iran. The President has not decided whether or not 108 00:06:53,400 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: to order strikes. And this is where things get a 109 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: little cattiwampus. We know that we've got the Abraham Lincoln 110 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: aircraft carrier in the area. Then we hear, going back 111 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: to a story on February thirteenth, that the USS gerald Ford, 112 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: the largest carrier, is going to go into the area. 113 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: That's a lot of firepower, tremendous amount of firepower. If 114 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: I take a look at the fleet tracker right now, 115 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: the USS gerald Ford is making its way right now 116 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: into the Mediterranean. The USS Abraham Lincoln is in the 117 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: Gulf of Amon as we speak. That's where these are. 118 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: So let's now say let's now say that the plan 119 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: is for the US to engage a strike. At this moment, 120 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: I don't know what to say next because I don't 121 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: know where this strike is going. You want to talk 122 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: about a potential strike on Iran, What does that look like? 123 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: What does a potential strike mean? They're not sure if 124 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: the plan is to hit military targets, if the plan 125 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: is to topple the regime, what is the effort? 126 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: What is the goal here? 127 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: I have spent a fair amount of time on this, 128 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 3: not as much experts might spend on it. I cannot 129 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: do any math that says, you know, what would be 130 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: a good move would be to take out military targets. 131 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: I'm never opposed to taking out military targets in Iran, 132 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 3: limiting their capacity to shoot missiles and other things, whether 133 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: it be at the United States or be our aircraft 134 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: carriers to military or anybody else. 135 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: It'd be better for the region if we did. 136 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: I'm sure they would appreciate it, especially as you have 137 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 3: this Board of Peace conversation and you talk about rebuilding. 138 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: Gaza Aran doesn't want to give up Hamas and give 139 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: up their foothold in the area, so it's better to 140 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: further limit them, separate them from hamas, and make sure 141 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: a mas dies and scatters. It's better for everybody. But 142 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: I don't know how this helps the people on the ground. 143 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 3: How does hitting the military targets engage regime change? Regime 144 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: change comes from a dead iyatola or removed diatola, which 145 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: means you have to give them a path out. So 146 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: when Trump keeps talk talking about wanting to negotiate with 147 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 3: the Iranians, I've made the argument negotiate about what does 148 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: that mean that the iyatola stays in power, in which 149 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: case the money is still flowing, the IRGC stays in power, 150 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: and the people are still subjected to hell. Or does 151 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: negotiating mean hey, we'll give you safe. 152 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: Harbor to well, I don't know where it would be 153 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: right now. 154 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: It could have been Venezuela, but it won't be Venezuela, 155 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: to Russia, to China, wherever it is. 156 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: You'll get safe harbor. 157 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: And then the IRGC will get you know, we'll cut 158 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: off the money and that'll be it. 159 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what it means. I am 160 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: not sure. 161 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: Does it mean not bombing military targets but bombing targets 162 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: in Tehran in hopes of killing the Ayatola, Because I'm 163 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: willing to bet you any amount of money if it's 164 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: just you and me on a barstool having a bourbon, 165 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: I will bet you any amount of money that if 166 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 3: a call is to the Israelis and the question is, hey, 167 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: where's the ayah Toola, they know exactly. 168 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: Where the Ayatola is and they already have a plan. 169 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: Does anybody question whether or not the Israelis could get 170 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: through the Iatola right now if they thought getting to 171 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 3: the Ayatola was the best. 172 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: Thing for them to do. Is there any question? 173 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: Was it the Ayatola who put together a group and 174 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: picked the general And you have to root out the 175 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 3: Israeli spies that are existing within our military, and the 176 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: guy he picked was an Israeli spy. You can't make 177 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: these things up, the ability to have gotten into Iran 178 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: and put explosives into homes, so when you needed to 179 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: take these people out, you could where they slept. The 180 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: pager attack. People could say that it was terrible and 181 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: disgusting in an act of war. 182 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: Aw screw them. 183 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 3: They're never so happy as when Israel takes the hits 184 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 3: but somehow doesn't hit back. Israel has to choose its 185 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: own course. I'm talking about the United States here. I 186 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: don't want to take any terrorist hits whatsoever. I want 187 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 3: to cut off the head of the terrorist funding. I 188 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: want it to be over, and I do want the 189 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 3: people of Iran to be able to be Persia again 190 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: and have a free life. The only way I can 191 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: see that making any sense or happening is if you 192 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: take out the oil. I believe that the move is 193 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: to eliminate the ability for Iran to profit from oil. 194 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 2: That ends everything. Do you still hit their mility terry targets. 195 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: You prevent them from shooting off missiles, absolutely, But if 196 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 3: you can prevent them from funding the terrorists and funding 197 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: the IRGC, then you have the collapse. Now, collapse has 198 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 3: its own issues. Collapse is going to create its own problems. 199 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: But when we talk about a war stance, I'm asking 200 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: what is it that you're trying to get done. If 201 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: there's a war stance that involves them not being able 202 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 3: to shoot any more missiles at anyone in the region, okay, 203 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: but you still haven't done anything for the people who 204 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: are trying to be free and Iran. And if you're 205 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 3: going to live up to that. You're the guy who 206 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: said President Trump helps on its way. He has to go. 207 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: So either you want to negotiate a deal where he 208 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: gets to go and live out the rest of his 209 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: days in peace hating the United States, or you're going 210 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: to take him out, or we're gonna starve them out. 211 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: The only way to starve them out is to end 212 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: their ability to make any oil. 213 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 2: I could be wrong. 214 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: I could absolutely be wrong, But I have no idea 215 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: what it is we're going to be hitting and why 216 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: I would why anybody would think that hitting some military 217 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: targets would make a difference to how things happen in 218 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 3: Iran on the daily basis. I don't get it, But 219 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: I'll be watching this weekend. We'll see if we take 220 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 3: some shots. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.