1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So it's probably the biggest scam in the 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: history of our state. 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 2: Uh huh. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: And abuse of taxpayer money, corruption, conflicts of interest. Sure, 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars out the door. No, 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: no clear benefit to the people as a collective luxury spending. 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: But the governor m hm, he's going to let somebody 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: else look into it if they if they find out 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: a worthwile sure he is. 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: Governor Mike Brawn said he's open to the legislature launching 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 2: its own probe into the IEDC. 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Not pounding his fist. I'm not saying this is an embarrassment, 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: this IEDC Indian Economic Development Corporation audit, which confirmed what 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: many of us have said for years about this shadow 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: quasi government entity. Not this is a colossal embarrassment. Not 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm a shame of what happened. Not I will vow 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: to do better. Not by in a month's time, I'll 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: roll out an eight point bullet plan to ensure this 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: never happens again. Not huge changes are coming, None of that. 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: The governor has said, Well, we're moving on and if 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: the General Assembly would like to do something about it, sure, fine. 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: You know the famous saying from Truman, the buck stops 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: here is with Braun. It's the buck stops over there. 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 2: Let's let somebody else take care. 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: You're so right. Look, this is I mean just it is. 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: So it's way beyond frustrating. It is. It should enrage 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: everybody because there's no more rumor and innu indo about it. 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: It's no more Hey, the Capitol Chronicle has this article 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: over here that looks bad, or the Indie Star has 30 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: this article over there looks batter Rob and Casey. You're 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: talking about these things and it looks bad. They know 32 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: it happened. 33 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: M hm. 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: He why did Braun even pay this money eight hundred 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars of our money? If you're not going to 36 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: do anything about it, if you're not going to be mad, 37 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: if you're not going to be loud, he should be 38 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: outraged for all of us. It shows that these lawmakers, 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: no lawmakers aren't say anything either. Nobody's saying anything. Nobody 40 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: this is I'm open to the idea of the legislature 41 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: launching their own IEDC investigation. 42 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: Or making changes if they feel it's appropriate. What do 43 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 2: you guys think, Hey, what do you guys think? Over 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: there are you good with it? 45 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: All right? You and I had this conversation before I 46 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: went on air. My wife and I were talking about 47 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: this yesterday. I said, I think the thing that gets 48 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: me so down about this is that we have graduated 49 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: and been a fairly rapid fashion. And we've mentioned this 50 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: before in this program, the lasting legacy of COVID, and 51 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: it was actually somebody very prominent state government who told 52 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: me this. The lasting legacy of COVID will be that 53 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: elected official figured out, we can basically do whatever we 54 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: want to do and nobody really fights back. So why 55 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: would we stop doing whatever we want to do? I 56 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: mean you think about you were forced to wear a mask, 57 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: you were put out of work, you had your business 58 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: clothes locked in your homes, and nobody really did anything. 59 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: Let's not forget the experimental shots. 60 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that that affected others. You know many many, 61 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: some people are still dealing with those. In fact, absolutely right, 62 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: and nobody fought back is what the lawmakers figured out 63 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: is I mean, if they're going to fight back on that, 64 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: why would we be considered about a few hundred mil 65 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: going out the doors highly connected people? I mean, like 66 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: it is, this is right there. The idea of public 67 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: service should be. I go in because I care more 68 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: about you and the betterment of your life than you 69 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: could ever even care about yourself. And I'm going to 70 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: fight every day that i'm there to ensure that happens 71 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: and correct injustices and stand up for you and be 72 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: your boys. And nobody's doing any of that. Nobody, not 73 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: the governor, not the General Assembly. I talked to one 74 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: lawmaker yesterday who I would think would be invested in this, 75 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: and I just asked them, I said, why aren't you 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: doing anything about this? You know what? Their answer to 77 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: me was, casey, what, They've been busy. They're busy with 78 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: their day job, and they're gonna read it and they're 79 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: gonna get into it and then they'll have a statement. 80 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: We're on day eight. 81 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: They don't need to read the one hundred and twenty 82 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: seven page report because there are multiple articles outlining everything 83 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: that would take two minutes to read. 84 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: There is no shame, and there is no sense of accountability. 85 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: And we have created this, We have created this culture 86 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: of unaccountability when where these people fear us so little 87 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: that even when it is directly right between the eyes, 88 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: they're stealing your money, they're taking your stuff and giving 89 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: it to their friends. This is the Indie Star has 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: this new article out. We touched on it very briefly yesterday. 91 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: Haley Colombo, Kayla Dwyer are the authors. They've been all 92 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: over the IDC for months now, really years in some cases. 93 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: I just want to read. There's one line in here 94 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: that sums up what this grift was all about, and 95 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: how it worked and how you you, the listener, got 96 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: totally screwed. Quote. The return on investment for them was significant. 97 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: These donors collectively gave two point eight million to the 98 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: ied F that's the Indian Economic Development Foundation, and they 99 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: collectively received more than two hundred and thirty eight million 100 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: dollars in tax incentives or payments through contracts or grants. 101 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: What other place other than the government could you invest 102 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: two point eight million and walk out with two hundred 103 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: and thirty eight million. 104 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: Well, we talked about it yesterday that an undisclosed donor 105 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 2: gave twenty five hundred dollars, twenty five hundred dollars and 106 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: then received a million dollar contract. That's one heck of 107 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: a return on investment. I'd take that deal. I mean 108 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: I would give them twenty five hundred dollars If I'm 109 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: getting a million back, why not. 110 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be over the top or what 111 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: do they say, shock jock or whatever phrase they give 112 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 1: about me. It changes from one day to the next 113 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: when I tell you, I think this may be the 114 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: biggest story in the history of our state. And I've 115 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: said this for months now, and now that this audit 116 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: has confirmed it. Thirty conflicts of interest, no essentially no 117 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: institutional controls over time. When you extrapolate to the life 118 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: of the IEDC, probably over a billion dollars of our 119 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: money that has been confiscated, not used for roads or 120 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: helping these poor people with disabled children, who have had 121 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: to totally alter the way they give. 122 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 2: Care to these people, going to the schools, and. 123 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: Not property taxing, nothing, all things that would have been 124 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: better than this, because there's no benefit to it. 125 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: Eighty two percent of the Indiana Economic Development Foundation spending 126 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: went to travel and entertainment. That's the grossest part of 127 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: all of this to me. Four point three million dollars 128 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: on flights, two point eight million dollars on hotels, two 129 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: million dollars on a vet hosting. Those must have been 130 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: one heck of a party. You know, eight hundred thousand 131 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: dollars on meals. 132 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: And then for me, this is me personally. I get 133 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: to the biggest part of this, which is the IEDC. 134 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: And what's going on with the IDC is proof that 135 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: they can corrupt, manipulate, intimidate. I don't know what the 136 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: correct word here is, but they can silence anyone. The 137 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: government can silence anyone. Because we are now on day 138 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: eight where the loot tenant governor of the state of Indiana, 139 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: who ran on the mi Quebec with the core of 140 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: his campaign was I will fight for you. I will 141 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: be that guy. I will be the person who speaks 142 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: up on the corruption and the abuse, and I will 143 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: expose this stuff. That was what he ran on. He 144 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: ran on how perverted and rotten and awful the system was, 145 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: and this issue, this IEDC, was one of the signature 146 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: things he talked about. And for the first time in 147 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: human history, a politician, especially one who craves attention and 148 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: craves the camera, was proven exactly correct. And we are 149 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: on day eight without a single solitary word from the 150 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: Lieutenant governor about this audit. He's posted about the fever, 151 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: he's posted about violence in Marion County and then deleted it. 152 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: He's posted about World Food Championships, but nothing about this, 153 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: which means for someone, somebody, something is going on there 154 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: where he feels he cannot post or talk about this. 155 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: And I think that is the thing that makes me 156 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: most disheartened about this is that this is proof. The 157 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: story is proof that these people are so powerful and 158 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: the money or influence or whatever is so great that 159 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: they can silence and shut down anyone and it will 160 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: never change Casey, it will never change. 161 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: Well, Governor Mike Brawn, he says that you know he 162 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: wants to move forward with these guardrails, right. 163 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: What guardrails? What guard What guardrails is he putting in place? 164 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: What are those guardrails? Who's being held to account? Are 165 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: we just telling all these people who benefited with the 166 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: thirty conflicts of interest? Hey, enjoy your money, glad we 167 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: could take it from people who are having trouble paying 168 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: their rent. Hope you have another nice cruise or world trip. 169 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy your lavish vacation or mansion that you 170 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: live in. That's what we're saying out of this. 171 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: When I think of the pictures of Eric Holcomb on 172 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: the Camels. I think, I'm so glad that I have 173 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: that memory. That's all I have out of it. I 174 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: have the memory of his picture there, because what did I, 175 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: as a taxpayer, get out of that trip? 176 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: Nobody is fighting for us, even when you make it 177 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: so obvious, and it is just this overwhelming feeling of 178 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: despair that it doesn't like when I entered and I 179 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: know we're running along here, But when I got into 180 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: this government thing fifteen years ago, I just said, I'm 181 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: going to make a difference. I'm tire of sitting on 182 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: the sidelines. I'm going to get involved. I believed, until 183 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: very recently, still believed that if you just let people 184 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: know about it, somebody would do something. And now I 185 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: look around and. 186 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: Go, anybody, bueller, it doesn't matter. 187 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: Bueller, doesn't matter we expose, it doesn't matter how obvious 188 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: it is. It just I don't There's another article in 189 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: Ye Casey. 190 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: There's another article at Indy Star this morning, and it's 191 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: talking about the former Secretary of Commerce, Brad Chambers. You 192 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: remember him. He ran for governor. He received more than 193 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: seventy seven million dollars through no bid contracts. 194 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: All right, why don't we Why don't we take a 195 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: break because I want to get into that when we 196 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: come back, because all we have, you know, was it? 197 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: Nathan Haleen famously said, all I have is But what 198 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: my only regret is, I have but one life to 199 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: give it for my country. My owly regrets. I have 200 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: but one three hour radio show to give to the 201 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: people of Central Indiana. But we got to talk about 202 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: this because that's a really big deal. 203 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,359 Speaker 2: All right, it's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WYBC. 204 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: You know, I've said this for years when it comes 205 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: to my elected officials or pointed officials, and I really 206 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: saw this with local government. I don't want people in 207 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: those positions who are invested, either certainly financially or emotionally 208 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: or career wise in the thing they're overseeing. And what 209 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean by this is when you would get people, 210 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: whether it's a park board or police commission or school board, 211 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: which is an elected thing, whether it's a point or elected, 212 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: you would see these people would come and apply for 213 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: these or run for these offices, and they'd always talk 214 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: about the experience they had with that thing, Like there 215 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: would be somebody who had experience serving in a parks 216 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: department somewhere, or you would see somebody who was a 217 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: police officer at one point, or you know, I've been 218 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: a teacher, so I'd be qualified to be on the 219 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: school board. And I said to myself, no, because your 220 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: job as an elected or appointed official is not to 221 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: be an advocate for but a watchdog over whatever thing 222 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: you're seeing. And the worst people to be on these 223 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: boards and commissions are people who are cheerleading for the thing. No, 224 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: your job is a cheerlead for the taxpayer. Used to 225 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: have this fight all the time with people of other 226 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: elected people and they couldn't see it well. But so 227 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: and so has experience in so what we are the 228 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: elected people, We make the policy calls. Their job is 229 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: to enact the policy calls. And then with the find 230 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: they should be with the fine tooth comb overseeing and 231 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: making sure the moneies that are allocated or spent responsibly. 232 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: And I mentioned all of this because one of the 233 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: major issues with the IEDC conflict of interest. We didn't 234 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: ever have watchdogs. There should have been the watchdogs overseeing 235 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: the money and where it went. Instead, you had people 236 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: who were invested in the business community in Indianapolis, business 237 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: projects in Indianapolis and thus you could have nothing but 238 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: conflicts of interest because everybody was wanting the same thing 239 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: because it was benefitting them. And you see this with 240 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: this Indie Star article that came out about Brad Chambers today. 241 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. So our friend to Indie reporter was 242 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: on this over the weekend and now the Indie Star 243 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 2: has an article as well. Pure Development is an Indianapolis 244 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: firm and they received over seventy seven million dollars through 245 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: no bit contracts from the IEDC for work on the 246 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: Leap project. Now, the contracts were awarded during the tenure 247 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: of Brad Chambers, who was the Indiana Secretary of Commerce. 248 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: Who later ran for governor. Correct, all the Holcombe people 249 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: basically went over to his campaign. Of course, the Leap 250 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: is Holcombe's fantasy island project in Boone County, in which 251 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: we have now spent what it was four hundred and 252 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: thirty some million dollars of taxpayer mostly taxpayer money on 253 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: the Leap project and we've gotten lily out of it. 254 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: And this Indie Star article lays out that this Pure 255 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: Development has a deal where they are working with Chambers 256 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: Company Buckingham Companies on a project in Carmel so you 257 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: have these companies that are working together, and then Chambers 258 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: is overseeing an organization or helping oversee an organization where 259 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: tens of millions of taxpayer dollars are flowing to that 260 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: company that he clearly has in some shape, form or 261 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: fashion a relationship with, and that is this is it. 262 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: This is the poster child for how the IEDC operates, 263 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: and nobody was watching out for us. 264 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so pures relationship with Chambers and Buckingham goes back 265 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: to twenty eighteen, So it's a it does as the 266 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: former Secretary of Commerce, does he have a say of 267 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: which company gets hired on this project? Well, hey, how 268 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: about you pick mine, pick my company? 269 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: And how could you not be infuriated by this? If 270 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: you're out today working on a highway somewhere, or you're 271 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: on top of a roof, or you're a you're a 272 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: policeman on the street, or you're a teacher in the 273 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: school in the school house, schoolhouse, How old am I 274 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: in our schools? Money was taken from you, money that 275 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: you worked for, and it was given to this shadow company, 276 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: the shadow organization, who was just basically doling out dollars 277 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: to not only their friends, but people there they had 278 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: business relationships with that didn't benefit you in any shape, 279 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: form or fashion. 280 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: A Pure co founder called Buckingham one of Pure's most 281 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: important business relationships that in a twenty four court filing. 282 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break. Jim Merritt is going 283 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: to join us next. 284 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: Talk more about this. 285 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll get into, obviously the big announcement that 286 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: we got a ballgame and the Secretary of State's race. 287 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: Nobody knows Indiana history relates to politics and government, like 288 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: Jim Merritt. 289 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: He's on the way from ninety three u IBC. 290 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: You But Casey, no one wants to talk about the 291 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: iec audit. Why do you think that is, rob Well, 292 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: let's find out everybody who knows those people in the 293 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: State House better than anybody else. You know him from 294 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: thirty years in the Indiana Senate, the great Jim Merritt. Hello, Robert. Okay, 295 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: So this iedc audit comes out. Yes, it reveals, as 296 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: we have said for years on this program that they 297 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: didn't use these words, but we'll use our own description 298 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: that the IDC is essentially a has served for years 299 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: as a glorified legalized money laundering operation in which money 300 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: is has been taken from poor and middle class taxpayers. 301 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: It has been delegated to companies, businesses into thees, organizations, trips, travel, 302 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: et cetera that benefit indirectly directly people who were calling 303 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: the shots on where the money was going. It is 304 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: a massive about hundreds of millions of dollars, if not 305 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: billies at this point of abuse and corruption of tax 306 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: payer money and resources. And other than the governor just 307 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: saying oh, we're done here, We're moving on now, almost 308 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: nobody in the General Assembly or any of the state 309 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: wide office holders want to say a word about how 310 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: is that possible? Well, good morning everybody. Hey, you know 311 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: these people I do. 312 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: I think I think the governor did a you know, 313 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: I kind of disagreed with it in the beginning about 314 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: a deep forensic audit, meaning that they're just going to 315 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 3: go deep, deep deep. And I didn't understand that at 316 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 3: the time because it's seemingly IDC and the Leaf District 317 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 3: and and there are a lot of naysayers, but obviously 318 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 3: Lily is doing some great things up up on sixty 319 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: five north of Indianapolis, north Ameron County, Boom County. You know, 320 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 3: with other people money, well, my money, this forensic money, 321 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 3: this forensic uh study, if you will, this this this 322 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: audit has uncovered a lot of a lot of ills 323 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 3: to the system and and it gives the governor the 324 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 3: opportunity to start anew but. 325 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: He doesn't seem to want it. He seems he's just 326 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: like status quo. 327 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: I think I think you're going to see legislators in 328 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: the coming session because they really can't do anything about 329 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: it now, and in a short session. I'm not sure 330 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: what they can do with a with a short short session, 331 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: but they can start talking and with with with weight 332 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: to it that we need economic development and this is 333 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: what they want, economic development throughout the state rather than 334 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 3: just some big areas like the leap district. They can 335 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: start talking about spreading the money around the state in programs. 336 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: But that nobody's saying a word about this. You're I 337 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: mean you said that one to the Tesla guy, what's 338 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: his name, Jake Teshka. He's the one of the few 339 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: people I've seen put anything out and his thing was like, 340 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: we need to tie not internal control. I don't remember 341 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: what ridiculous missed opportunity. Well, why is nobody saying. 342 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: I'm not there till a chance say something. 343 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: Yes, it's a great opportunity for service. 344 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean you would have said something, all right, Well. 345 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously it's an opportunity for change. And that's what 346 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: politics and politicians like, are opportunities to change the conversation. 347 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 3: And this is the perfect way to do it. 348 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: Why is Governor Brown saying the legislature will handle it. 349 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: It is like the least trumanous thing you could do, 350 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: like the buck stops over there. 351 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, they've had ninety days or however long on this, 352 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 3: on this forensic study, and you would have thought that 353 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 3: there would be a complete plan when they introduced the 354 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 3: forensic st everything that went on here, it's a great 355 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 3: opportunity there. There's there's a vacuum, right, and it's a 356 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 3: great opportunity for the governor and his staff to say 357 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: this is what we need to do in the future. 358 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: And if they're saying that, we're not hearing it. 359 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And like, what is going on with the lieutenant 360 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: guy who literally ran on everything that is in that audit, 361 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: which is he said all the things when he was running. 362 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: He's the first politician in the history of ever to 363 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: be proven exactly correct and not say a word and 364 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: go see I told you, like, why is he not 365 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: raising his hand? Going I'll lead the committee, I'll lead 366 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: the commission. We were right, this guy can't sprint to 367 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: a camera fast enough and now he's just disappeared on 368 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: Is the IEDC that powerful? What leverage do they have 369 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: over these people that nobody is talking about this? 370 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 3: Well, I it's it's a noble my friend, Micah, Why 371 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 3: aren't you speaking out on this? Why aren't you saying 372 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 3: this is what I would do. What a great opportunity 373 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 3: for change, and what a great opportunity. 374 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: To speak some world food event? And he can't post 375 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: about this? Well? 376 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 3: He also you know, they're concerned about violence in downtown 377 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 3: Indianapolis as well. Economic development is just an enormous issue 378 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: right now, and it's it's a great way to sprinkle 379 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 3: money around the state. And we're trying to explain the unexplainable. 380 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: So, Jim, there is a new article that came out 381 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: in the Indie Star just this morning and it lays 382 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: out how an Indianapolis development company with close ties to 383 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: the former Secretary of Commerce Brad Chambers, received more than 384 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: seventy seven million dollars through no big contracts with the IEDC. 385 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you can speak on that and his 386 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 2: role in everything. 387 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: I don't know how to defend that. From my bread 388 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 3: my friend Brad Chambers, I think that you this people 389 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 3: have to do a deep dive, and one article doesn't 390 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 3: tell the whole story, and I think people in the 391 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 3: know should defend it or or you know, or criticize it. 392 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: It's just there is a vacuum of information out there 393 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 3: right now after this report, this forensic, this deep dive 394 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 3: into I d C. And legislators have to have to 395 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 3: speak out on this because it's truly the big One 396 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 3: of the biggest parts of what we do in the 397 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: state of Indiana is bringing jobs here, but also UH 398 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 3: the idea of transparency. Every everything should be transparent and 399 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 3: and and right now you're seeing in I d C 400 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 3: that is really struggling for UH. The biggest part of 401 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 3: what I think governance is is transparency. 402 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: Jim Merritt is our guest thirty years in the Indiana Center. 403 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: Let's pivot real quick. Bo By in the race, yes, 404 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: running for Secretary of State against Diego Morales. You know 405 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: Indiana politics and government history. Unlike anybody else does the 406 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: By name, because, let's face it, he's going to run 407 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: on the Evan by name, the Evan By machine. His 408 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: grandfather before that, birch By, who is a US Senator. 409 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: That's what he's counting on. Does Evan by name, that 410 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: family name still have enough juice to help him get 411 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: across the finish line? Well? 412 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 3: I don't know that answer, because it has to come 413 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: down to the can, don't. 414 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 1: You know, Mary, You're supposed to just make it up. 415 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: If you don't have an answer, you're a pundit. 416 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: Now what what I can make up is the idea 417 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,479 Speaker 3: that people know who Evan By is right now, because 418 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 3: we all know that that he lost to Todd Smoke. Yes, 419 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: and uh and Todd Young, who was a member of 420 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 3: Congress from southern Indiana. 421 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: He's a marine, Marie, Yeah it was marines. 422 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: Yes, once a marine, always a marine. But he he 423 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 3: and but Evan Todd Young ran a great campaign. 424 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: Uh. 425 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: And Evan By had you know, ten million or eleven 426 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: million dollars. But when to get back to Bobie. Uh, 427 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 3: his his father came in, ran for Secretary of State, 428 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 3: had had the residency problems, ran against Doc Bowen's son 429 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 3: still wins the Secretary of State's office, uh uses that 430 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 3: platform to run for governor wins the governor's office. 431 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: So you can. 432 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: See history trying to repeat itself with Bobai coming in, 433 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 3: people are asking bows residency. He's young, he's around the 434 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: same age as his dad is. And I think I 435 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 3: think Republicans and Democrats alike probably who. 436 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: Are in the know. I think if bo By wins. 437 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 3: The Secretary of States office in just a year from now, 438 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: is that a platform for him to run for governor 439 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty eight, just like his dad. Yeah, but 440 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: your question about Evan By and his name, I'm not sure. 441 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 3: But I can tell you that people have told me 442 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 3: that bo Bai will have six million dollars at his disposal. 443 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 3: And we all know the mother's milk of politics is money. 444 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: I bet you can figure out who paid for India 445 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: with six million bucks? 446 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: Casey, Yeah, And I wanted to ask you more about 447 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: the money. What is a reasonable amount because this could 448 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 2: be a very expensive second scretaria of state race. 449 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 3: Well, our friend Mayor Joe Hogsitt is mayor of Indianapolis. 450 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: In Indianapolis, Democrats are getting more juiced by the day, 451 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: and that's a money Center and self. So you could 452 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 3: have a secretary of State's office a campaign regardless if 453 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 3: it's Diego Morales or David Shelton. Coming out of the convention, 454 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 3: I believe it's going to be a Morales, but it 455 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 3: could be a ten to fifteen to twenty million dollar 456 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 3: campaign for Secretary of States for the Secretary of State's office, 457 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 3: because that is a toll hold for the twenty twenty 458 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: eight gouvern. Well, it's also not that Diego Moralis is 459 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: going to run for governor in twenty two. 460 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: No, but the Republicans know what Diego is and they 461 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: know the crap he's pulled, and they do not want 462 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: a Democrat getting in there to open the doors to that. 463 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: You describe it as an orbit, but that office and 464 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: all the stuff that may have transpired in there, they 465 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: don't want that because there's a good chance it touches 466 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: a whole lot of very prominent Republicans who at the 467 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: very least have done absolutely nothing as this guy has 468 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: stained that office. 469 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right, which is different than when Evan 470 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 3: By came in because Sectory State at Simcox an outstanding job, 471 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 3: and what Evan Bye came in to talk about was, 472 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: you know, being a conservative Democrat bo Bai will come 473 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 3: in and run against Diego Morales about all the baggage 474 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 3: that Diego brings to the table that probably is just 475 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 3: known in central Indiana and not very well known outside. 476 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 3: And so bo Bay has to use all six million 477 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 3: dollars of that money or up to ten million to 478 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 3: talk about bo Bye and a new Democrat. 479 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: We need more rich friends, Casey. It's undetermined. Maybe the 480 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: Buys will be our friends because Merritt, you're just not 481 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: pulling your weight around and I'm not rich. Jim Merritt, Oh, 482 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: you've seen that house and beyond. Robin Leech be showed 483 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: up at your door anytime now. Jim Merritt find him 484 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jim Underscore Merit Meret in the Morning. 485 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: That's the name of the podcast YouTube as well as Facebook. 486 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, Robert. 487 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: It is Kendilly Casey, It's ninety three wibc. 488 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: Oh, so you have some interesting information on how much 489 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: money you're gonna need to not end up face down 490 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: in a gutter an old age in Indiana. 491 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was an article that came out and it 492 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: asked how long will the magic number last in retirement? 493 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: And the magic number they used was one point five 494 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: million dollars. Yeah, so Charles Schwab estimates you need one 495 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: point eight million. Schroeder's survey said you need one point 496 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: two but the traditional guideline has been a million. Guess what, kids, 497 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: it's up now to one point five million. Go Banking 498 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: Rates is saying that is the standard to now measure 499 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: retirement longevity. And they broke it down by state. Oh, 500 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: how much one point five million dollars will last you? Now, 501 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 2: this is your annual living cost minus social security So 502 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: you can't use any social security cushion if in fact 503 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: there will be one for you when you retire in 504 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: your calculations. 505 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you take those security out. It's 506 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: how much money you would need to have period? 507 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: Correct? 508 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: All right? So what sort of life are we talking 509 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: about here? 510 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: Like? 511 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: I think I could live on nine cents? But like 512 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: what I mean? Are we talking like I want to 513 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, a one story house? Are we talking? I 514 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: want to live the life that you live. What are 515 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: we talking? Yeah? 516 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: That's all subjective, isn't it? 517 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: Sort of? I mean that's a big difference. 518 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're saying Americans retiring at sixty five can expect 519 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: to live about twenty more years, okay, meaning one point 520 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: five million is more than enough in some states and 521 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: obviously depending on your lifestyle. But they say that in Indiana, 522 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 2: one point five million dollars in savings should last you 523 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: forty seven years. 524 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Okay, very good. So this that seems right 525 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: to me because and it also depends on what you're 526 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: you're financial position is in terms of if you're content 527 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: with where you're at and your house is paid off, 528 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: then you have a much lower burden in retirement than 529 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: somebody who is still making a mortgage pan if you 530 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, don't need to drive fancy cars whatever. Like 531 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: That's why it was because like, what sort of quality 532 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: of life are we talking about here? Because I think 533 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: even given especially if you now look, if you got 534 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: a mortgage or you got rent or whatever, that's a 535 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: different ballgame. But I would think you could live a 536 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: somewhat decent existence on thirty thousand dollars if your house 537 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: is paid off. 538 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, they're saying in Indiana the annual cost of 539 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: living after Social Security is thirty one thousand, seven hundred 540 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: nine dollars. 541 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're pretty close well this brain right, Yeah, 542 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's about I was just starting 543 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: to think, like what, you know, cost of food. If 544 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: you're a retired person, you're not taking a lot of trips, 545 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: you're not driving to work every day, You're you know, 546 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: mileage on your car is minimal, so you wouldn't need 547 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: to turn over automobiles like other people driving kids to events. 548 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got food, some level of entertainment. Yeah, 549 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: I was I was going to say that that seemed 550 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: about about right, and it's it's spot on. 551 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: I would think that healthcare is going to be the 552 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: largest expense. 553 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: Well, but then you've got it keeps going up. But 554 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: then obviously you're on a different lot of people are 555 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: on a different healthcare plan. Either you've got something through 556 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: some sort of pension and or Medicare then kicks in, 557 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: so you're you're getting some level of subsidized you know, 558 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: insurance with that. So yeah, that that seems about right. 559 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: And the one thing about Indiana is it does have 560 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: a more affordable cost of living than compared to a 561 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: lot of these other states other states. 562 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: Indiana ranks as the tenth most affordable state for retirees. 563 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: The list goes West, Virginia, Kansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Alabama, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Iowa, 564 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: and then Indiana. 565 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: My desire in retirement is to live in a house 566 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: really in the middle of nowhere, and then I'll become 567 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: one of those forgotten characters where people are like, does 568 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: anyone remember Rob Kendall And they'll be like, you mean 569 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: the guy that was on WIBC. Yeah, that guy. What 570 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: happened in don't know? 571 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: Don't know. 572 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm just living, living in a cornfield somewhere or a 573 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: woods and just working on my memoirs that somebody will 574 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: discover when I kick the bucket. 575 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: So when they have the you know, big anniversary, are 576 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: you going to come back anniversary? What? I don't know, 577 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 2: the big radio station anniversary. 578 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: It's universary. 579 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's true. Who knows, Now something happened 580 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: exciting at your house yesterday? 581 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? I didn't know these things even existed. But my 582 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: wife's grandmother got her one of those little electronic sweepers. 583 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: I guess that's what they're called. Yeah, I don't know 584 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: what brand it was, but it like it just you 585 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: program it and it goes. And this is another example 586 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: of where I feel there's too much technology. My house 587 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: is not big enough. Like I sweep, it takes me, 588 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, twenty minutes. I can sweep the house. I 589 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: can get it ready, boom done. And now this little 590 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,719 Speaker 1: robot is running around. It's going around my house bumping 591 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: into things. Now my wife because she's missed technologies like no, 592 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm programming it or it's programming itself to learn the 593 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: lay of layout of the house so it will know 594 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: exactly where to go and what to do. And it 595 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: was very nice that her grandmother got that for us. 596 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: But I was like, but I still got to get 597 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: I still got to sweep under the couch, you know, 598 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: the furniture. It can't go. It's you know, things that 599 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: are slower to the ground than it is. But I 600 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: guess these things are very popular. 601 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. Now is yours just a dry one? 602 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 2: Or does it have the auto wash? Oh no, it's 603 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 2: like a water It's very basic because they range in 604 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: price from nine hundred and ninety nine dollars all the 605 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: way down to one hundred and forty nine dollars. Amazon 606 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: right now actually pricing the Roomba vacuums pretty low for 607 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 2: their prime days, which are going on right now. 608 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm guessing it was not even that much. Was again, 609 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: is very nice and I'm sure it'll be very helpful, 610 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: but it was like going And then my kid was 611 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: trying to ride write it and we're like, Livy, no, 612 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: you can't do that. And then she didn't understand why. 613 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 2: My problem with one of these things is you have 614 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: to charge it right every time I want to go 615 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 2: to use it, the battery is dead, because I would 616 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 2: be one of those people who would forget to charge it. 617 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would think it would get several uses 618 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: because it just goes for a while. Here was the 619 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: crazy thing. It was the middle of the night. You know, 620 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: she programmed it the night before and whatever plugged it in, 621 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: and then I'm laying there and in the middle of 622 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: the night, this thing starts going off and I'm thinking 623 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: of somebody breaking into the house. Is the security alarm? 624 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: No, it's just the robot cleaning. 625 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: Do I need to, you know, quickly grab my firearm 626 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: and or what is going on here? And then I realized, well, 627 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: if it were the alarm for the security system, that 628 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: would be making a much louder thing than that. And 629 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 1: then I'm looking around the house like, is the smoke 630 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: detector going off? And then finally I'm looking at this 631 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: thing and I realized, oh, it's come alive. It's on. 632 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: There's it so there's there's lights coming out of it. Yeah, 633 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: so this is my new frontier? Is my house now? 634 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: I guess gets swept on its on its own. 635 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's nice. You don't have to worry about 636 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: it anymore. 637 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: Except I still got to get under the couch. You're 638 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: living with a robot, I believe crumbs. A toddler gets 639 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: under the couch and how does that even work? How 640 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: do they get it under the couch is a solid thing? 641 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. 642 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 2: Well, she is closer to the ground, you know. It 643 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 2: is Kennelly Casey. It's ninety three w IBC