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Speaker 1: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer. Right over there with

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Speaker 1: a very special in studio guest.

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Speaker 2: City County Counselor Michael Paul Hart joins us every month.

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Speaker 2: You're kind enough to join us in studio to kind

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Speaker 2: of get us up to date on everything going on

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Speaker 2: with the City County Council and like, it's been a

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Speaker 2: heavy national news cycle, right, so I think it's important

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Speaker 2: to find out who's trying to take our money from

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Speaker 2: us first at a local level.

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Speaker 3: So Counselor, welcome back, happy to be here.

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Speaker 4: You know an interesting we had you know, full council

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Speaker 4: last night, so I can tell you the one thing

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Speaker 4: that stood out, which is I think something good for

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Speaker 4: all listeners, is that I caught a video of a

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Speaker 4: guy talking about snow.

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Speaker 3: Obviously we've had a lot of snow.

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Speaker 4: And he was talking about the Park Indie spots and

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Speaker 4: he was asking the question, why if we're paying all

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Speaker 4: this money to Park Indie or is all this snow

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Speaker 4: in these spots in front of the businesses. I said, well, hey,

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Speaker 4: that's a pretty good question. So last night we had

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Speaker 4: our full council meeting, very short meeting by the way,

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Speaker 4: it only lasted thirty minutes, which they normally go a

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Speaker 4: couple hours. And there was actually a contract amendment for

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Speaker 4: Park Indie last night. Now I'm not part of the

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Speaker 4: this question, but I did present it last night, and

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Speaker 4: the question was exactly what the guy was putting the

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Speaker 4: he asked why why aren't we, you know, having them,

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Speaker 4: are requiring them to clean up all these lots. And

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Speaker 4: the answer I got back from the city was, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we didn't think about.

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Speaker 2: That, of course not, of course not.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean that's a standard right, that's a

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Speaker 1: standard answer. Now, Oh good, idea we forgot all about that.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Does the city feel like they did a great job.

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Speaker 3: With the snow removal this time around?

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Speaker 2: Because I know they felt differently the last time, and

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Speaker 2: that's why they put that plan in place so where

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Speaker 2: Everybody's always going to complain.

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Speaker 3: I get that.

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Speaker 2: But as a whole man, I feel like parts of

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Speaker 2: the East Side, they're residential neighborhoods Hartly got touch. There

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Speaker 2: are some areas downtown that feel like they didn't really

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Speaker 1: I'm looking outside right now next to the living room

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Speaker 1: on Hammer. I'm looking outside right now. The snow is

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Speaker 1: where they should be able to park.

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Speaker 2: Main highways and main roads and streets. All right, fine,

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Speaker 2: they get the priority, but it's been enough time now

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Speaker 2: where I feel like some of these other areas could

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Speaker 2: get a little help, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, And I'm getting the emails, getting the text

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Speaker 4: or you know, we're sending people back out, and I

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Speaker 4: mean it's things like where they missed it. Now they're

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Speaker 4: I remember it was a couple of days after we

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Speaker 3: But no, the answer to your question is it could

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Speaker 4: It's always a tough thing to do, and I think

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Speaker 2: You know, as much as we get into the weeds

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I tell everybody all the time that's

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Speaker 3: To fail at the other things.

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Speaker 1: You know, what I saw that was like a big

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Speaker 1: but I just I saw the passion and the outpouring

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's a big story in which, you know,

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Speaker 4: I was actually contacted by the YMCA about three weeks

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Speaker 4: And I lived so far on the east side, I'm

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Speaker 4: frequent the Hancock Health facilities over in han Hancock County

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Speaker 4: as there's where I exercise. And I said, let me

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Speaker 3: Let's let's just share some ideas.

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Speaker 4: So I go out there and they say, yeah, we've

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Speaker 2: And I said, it's a big jump, that's a big

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Speaker 3: And I said, well, tell give me the secret sauce.

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Speaker 4: And so we took that idea and that I partnered

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Speaker 4: And so they're doing that by providing that service to

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Speaker 3: And health literal life to people in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think this has resonated with so many

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Speaker 3: Everybody's impacted.

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Speaker 4: I mean pick any age range, pick any demographic, and

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Speaker 3: So they have got a Sunday service here all the

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Speaker 4: They've got silver sneaker programs for senior citizens.

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Speaker 2: So it's not just people going in there to work

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean, you know, and there's the basketball thing.

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Speaker 3: So what's what was the problem?

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Speaker 1: Why are they thinking about is it funding or obviously yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's always about money.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: So a primary driver to their revenue stream was is daycare,

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Speaker 4: So you know before school, after school. You know, I

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Speaker 3: Well that was the families.

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Speaker 4: Were utilizing CCDF, which is the childcare credits to pay

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Speaker 2: So what can you do? You're a Republican on this council,

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Speaker 2: you might as well be a unicorn because you guys

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Speaker 2: What can be done?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I'm trying to bring this Hancock County

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Speaker 4: And I think that, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: gap funding would be required from a philanthropic organization, but

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Speaker 2: A couple of minutes left here with Michael Paul Hart

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Speaker 2: of the City County Council. They had their meeting last night.

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Speaker 2: Now I know over at the State House, Senate Bill

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Speaker 2: two eighty four is being discussed. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: layers to Senate Bill two eighty four, but I know

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Speaker 2: this is something near and dear to your heart because

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Speaker 2: this kind of started. I don't want to say maybe

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Speaker 2: it at a city council level.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: So back in July, I hosted a through my organization

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Speaker 4: smart Indie a round table with all the chiefs of police,

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Speaker 4: fire Prosecutor. Ryan Meers just brought them all into a

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Speaker 4: look at to create policy to make Indianapolis, you know, safer, right,

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Speaker 4: or what can we remove.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Ryan Mehres was a big help with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, I mean he didn't provide some ideas, right, but

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Speaker 1: My god, welcome to nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Did they use napster to help do that? Is that

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Speaker 4: So, I mean there was constructive conversation and that's how

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Speaker 3: For a very degree of reasons.

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Speaker 4: He said it was prohibitive to hire new IMPD officers

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Speaker 2: Right and leby remind everybody, this General Order's Board was

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Speaker 3: They're civilians exactly.

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Speaker 4: And so that was that was the impetus to go

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Speaker 4: Let them make that decision, whether it's this chief or

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Speaker 2: And I know Senator Carrasco very passionate about law enforcement.

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Speaker 3: There's the general Order.

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of things that go into that.

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Speaker 3: And that was something that we noticed with.

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Speaker 4: Like spinning policy a couple of years back, and so

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Speaker 4: I'm going to continue to engage with them. I think

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Speaker 4: just look forward to everything we can do to focus

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Michael Paulhart dot com. I mean we've got I've

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Speaker 4: sign up, their share their input. Of course, there's counselor

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Speaker 4: So either one of those ways you'll get in touch

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Speaker 4: with me counselor thank.

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Speaker 2: You so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,