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Speaker 1: Live from ball Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: It is Tony Katz today, and I am in the

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Speaker 2: heartland as well. One stayed over from where I know

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Speaker 2: Tony makes his home. He makes it in Indianapolis. I

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Speaker 2: know he makes that no secret. I make my home

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Speaker 2: in Illinois. My name is Mike Coolidge. I have filled

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Speaker 2: in before for the Great Tony Katz. I also did

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Speaker 2: a radio show on my own right for fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: That's how Tony and I got to know each other.

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Speaker 2: I did the Michael Coolidge Show and retired from that

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Speaker 2: specifically to run for Congress, and I've been working behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes in the political arena since then. But I

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Speaker 2: do miss radio. I do miss talking with the country.

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Speaker 2: It's so wonderful and it's so great. And the last

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Speaker 2: time I filled in for the Great Tony Katz, it

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Speaker 2: was a really great show. I got a lot of

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Speaker 2: great feedback from listeners, had some great guess I say

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Speaker 2: it was a good show because of my guests and

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Speaker 2: the discussions we had, not of course, from my brilliance

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Speaker 2: and my talent, but it was a really fun show

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Speaker 2: on this and I think it was Mark Hemingway, Ellie Buffkin,

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Speaker 2: and we had a oh Kerry Pickett at the very end.

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Speaker 2: And at the very end of the show there was

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Speaker 2: a final segment. It's a short one, the very last

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Speaker 2: segment of the show. And when that occurred, this was

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Speaker 2: on September tenth, and Landon, the producer talked in my

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Speaker 2: ear and told me that Charlie Kirkie been shot. And

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Speaker 2: I did not have my TV on in my studio here,

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Speaker 2: of course it was terrible, and a couple of hours

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Speaker 2: later we found out he of course perished. And I

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Speaker 2: bring this up today because that moment was the only

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Speaker 2: assassination that has happened in most of our lifetimes if

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Speaker 2: you were under what sixty years old, seventy years old,

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Speaker 2: the late sixties, and we've had this discussion for you know,

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Speaker 2: weeks after it's happened. Now, what is it we're going on?

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Speaker 2: We just passed the two month mark when this happened.

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Speaker 2: And we had assassinations in the sixties that seemed to

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Speaker 2: happened every other year. We had JFK, we had his

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Speaker 2: King Junior. Those assassinations were all successful from the assassin's standpoint.

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Speaker 2: We had assassination attempts numerous times in the seventies and

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Speaker 2: in the eighties, but none of us alive. Really, I

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Speaker 2: shouldn't say live. I know our older listeners, our baby boomers,

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Speaker 2: vividly remembered the sixties and those terrible assassination assassinations of

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Speaker 2: public figures, But generation X and below we only read

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Speaker 2: for someone to be murdered in front of the world,

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Speaker 2: really specifically because of his political beliefs, was something that

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Speaker 2: I know is still shocking thinking about it over two

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Speaker 2: months later. We've also seen the amazing, amazing grace and

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Speaker 2: just honor that his wife, Erica has shown the world,

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Speaker 2: and how she's handled this. We've seen so many people

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Speaker 2: because we all know what happens when you express your

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Speaker 2: of center. Charlie Kirk had the bravery to not just

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Speaker 2: a lot of people where I live, because Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: was born and raised in Illinois, and he started Turning

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Speaker 2: And he was such a great person off and on

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Speaker 2: you know whatever. He was just the most affable, congenial

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Speaker 2: what was so brave about him was that he showed

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Speaker 2: us that we can express our viewpoints publicly and have rational,

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Speaker 2: civil dialogues with people and maybe, just maybe we might

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Speaker 2: And often it was live. It was not going back

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean the bravery again to put your

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Speaker 2: up for scrutiny publicly. That can go wrong that you know,

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Speaker 2: people can humiliate you. They might bring up a factoid

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Speaker 2: I'm saying anyone. Charlie Kirk was very, very difficult to

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Speaker 2: He was a brilliant, brilliant guy. But he'd probably be

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Speaker 2: the first to admit, of course there are times where

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Speaker 2: But what does that do? That might change your mind?

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Speaker 2: I might also make your arguments stronger. He showed that

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Speaker 2: that can be done, and he did it, and he

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Speaker 2: air for three straight hours, almost exclusively, just him and callers,

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Speaker 2: so much of that has to do with Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: last decade plus he spoke to young people. He spoke

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Speaker 2: And they saw a guy put his viewpoints and philosophies

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Speaker 2: MAGA country proudly. And when it was released and the

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Speaker 2: Like many tragedies in the past, there is good that

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Speaker 2: has come out of Charlie Kirk's death is people are

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Speaker 3: also have the right not to get shut by sharing

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Speaker 2: What she tried to do there was what they And

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Speaker 2: again she's an old, old, old media type and this

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Speaker 2: you know, Katy Kirk, I know, was Today Show NBC,

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Speaker 2: But same kind of thing. Those shows in many ways

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Speaker 2: you know Charlie Kirk, I mean he kind of said

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Speaker 2: She could get away with that kind of thing twenty

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Speaker 2: putting it out there as the narrative that Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: which is, Hey, guy, Charlie Kirk didn't do that. The

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Speaker 2: Research polls about you know, do you believe far left

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that we have a god given right

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Speaker 2: We have a right to freely speak. And that is

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Speaker 2: not the case in a lot of other countries. That's

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Speaker 2: quote unquote civilized countries like jolly Old England and Germany.

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Speaker 2: Those countries crack down on freedom of speech, which leads

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Speaker 2: to totalitarianism. And yes, authoritarianism and borderlined darius a fascism.

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Speaker 2: Nobody knows what that means anymore. That's what that road

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Speaker 2: leads to when we limit people's free speech. Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: was everything, not that what Katie Kirk and what others

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Speaker 2: to take a break. Care let me finish this thought

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Speaker 2: on the other side of it. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: I am Mike cool Which filling Anfertoni. Stay with us. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: I am not in control all of this wonderful music

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Speaker 2: you're hearing, but I do approve. I do, and I'm

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Speaker 2: happy with these bumpers that either Landing or Tony has

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Speaker 2: put in. This is Tony Casts today. I'm Mike Coolidge

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Speaker 2: filling in for Tony. I believe Tony will be back

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Speaker 2: on Monday. Let me just wrap this all up in

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Speaker 2: a bow if I could. If you've been listening the

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Speaker 2: entire hour we started it talking about Charlie Kirk and

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Speaker 2: his influence. Last time I filled in for Tony Kass

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Speaker 2: was on September tenth, of this year's day. Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: was murdered, was assassinated, and the effects of the change

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Speaker 2: that we've all gone through as a culture since two

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Speaker 2: and really no one, especially his age, no one of

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Speaker 2: that he did. The point is, we can, on the

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Speaker 2: right control the narrative. Now, we can get out there

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Speaker 2: and change people's minds and motivate simultaneously, motivate people who

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Speaker 2: do share our values, you know, to further our causes

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Speaker 2: and our beliefs. We don't need the legacy establishment media anymore,

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Speaker 2: the Katie Kirk types or the you know, the equivalent

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Speaker 2: of I don't even know who hosts the Today Show anymore.

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Speaker 2: But we don't need their approval.

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Speaker 4: We don't.

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Speaker 2: Those gatekeepers are irrelevant now. We don't need to get

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Speaker 2: beyond their gate We've got our own things behind our gates.

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Speaker 2: The establishment media still has power, they still have influence,

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. They still reach millions and millions

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Speaker 2: of people, but they don't have the critical mass anymore.

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Speaker 2: They don't have that like majority, they don't have that power.

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Speaker 2: We need to make sure that they never get it again.

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Speaker 2: How do we ensure that by continuing to speak up,

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Speaker 2: by continuing to be like Charlie Kirk. This is Tony

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Speaker 2: Tony our number two coming up after this, stay with

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