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Speaker 1: good to be with you. Exactly how big is this

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Speaker 1: Josh Hasten joins us right now from JNS news service

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Speaker 1: jans dot Org. He is also the host of JNSTV

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Speaker 1: You spend your time, you live in Israel, you spend

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on, Tony. So this latest push

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Speaker 1: Let's take a step back, because the propaganda campaign came

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Speaker 1: Talking to Josh Hasten, correspondent for JNS Jewish News Syndicate

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Speaker 1: dot org, and you also find his work on YouTube jnstv.

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Speaker 1: Search for it there and subscribe. This release of these

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Speaker 3: the Ramidush people over to our enemies. They've used those

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Speaker 3: areas for terror launching paths. So what France decide, what

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Speaker 3: the UK decides, what all these countries decide. At the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, they're absolutely meaningless. But again it

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Speaker 3: makes a look bad from a PR perspective. These are

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Speaker 3: PR stunts, and sadly these countries are sighting with pure

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Speaker 3: evil and rewarding pure evil instead of siding with the

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Speaker 3: one democrat a country here in the police state of Israel,

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Speaker 3: which has been fighting this evil for really for one

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Speaker 3: hundred years, but recently since the October seventh massacre. So

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Speaker 3: they are on the wrong side of history. And we

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Speaker 3: have friends like like the United States who clearly understand

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Speaker 3: the situation. In the administration in Washington, I think is

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Speaker 3: doing a very, very great, great job in order to

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Speaker 3: this propaganda and stand with their true ally. And as

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Speaker 3: I heard Ambassador Mike Huckabee say just last week, partner

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Speaker 3: United States has one true partner in the world, and

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Speaker 3: that is Israel.

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Speaker 1: Well, I still have about thirty seconds just to put

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Speaker 1: a bow on this idea of starvation. Is it the

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Speaker 1: Israelis belief that Israel could do more to.

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Speaker 2: Help these people get food?

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Speaker 1: Or is this really about the UN and Hamas keeping

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Speaker 1: food from getting to the people.

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Speaker 3: Hamas is hijacking the true which are going in there's clear,

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Speaker 3: crystal clear evidence showing that at the same time, the

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Speaker 3: UN has left I don't know how many truckloads of

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Speaker 3: that the United States started using this GHF humanitarian organization.

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Speaker 3: So instead of helping the people in Gaza, the UN

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Speaker 3: has decided to spite the people in Gaza because of

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Speaker 3: Israeli policy. So they're literally just several days ago your

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Speaker 3: it's better to try to win this propaganda war, the

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Speaker 3: pr war against Israel. They'd rather do that than actually

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Speaker 3: help Gosins. And that's the reality.

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Speaker 1: Josh Hasten from the Jewish New Sendicate JNS dot org.

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Speaker 1: Find his work there and on YouTube jnstv Josh an

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Speaker 1: absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 2: More coming up, any cats