1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Line from vall Hartmeyer and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: There's a real question about the level of fallout from 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: the government shutdown. There's a question of what happens specifically 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: in the House, specifically in the Senate, specifically amongst Democrats, 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: and then where exactly does the voter fall in all 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: of this, Is there any residual effect that plays out? 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: November twenty, twenty sixth, that's the day of the midterms, 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you. 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: Ed Marssey joins me right now from hotair dot com, 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: where he is to the Kappo to Toty Kappo, I should. 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 3: Learn how to say it right. 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: After all this time, you know, the we've discussed the shutdown, 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: we've engaged this forty two days. Democrats got abs nothing, 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: and they're very honest about the fact that they didn't 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: care who they hurt as long as they were able 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: to extend Obamacare subsidies. 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: It didn't matter to them, as long. 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: As they could keep up this facade, of this facade 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: known as Obamacare. That's a weird tactic. It's a weird 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: place to have put themselves. It's an odd fight I 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: think to have had to begin with. But when we 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: talk about the fallout of this, we'll start with Democrats. 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: What is the take on what the fallout is for 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 1: them as a party as they move forward. 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 4: Well, I think that there's a great deal of anger 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 4: now amongst the progressive base that they ginned up initially 28 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 4: through the shutdown and over promised what could be delivered 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 4: through it, right, I mean, this is part of the 30 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 4: problem in managing expectations. One of the key parts of 31 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 4: strategic politics is managing expectations. You don't over promise and 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 4: under deliver because it is inherently destabilizing. Because if you 33 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 4: say we're going to get this and you don't get 34 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 4: anything close to it, then you make yourself incompetent because 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 4: you either promise something you couldn't possibly deliver, or you 36 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: promise something you could deliver but you were too incompetent 37 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 4: to deliver it. 38 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: Either way, it's not a good look. 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: Just as I don't mean to interrupt, but I want 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: to ask, maybe maybe get me a little more deep 41 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: into that the idea of the Obamacare subsidies. What Hakeem 42 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 1: Jeffries constantly refers to as the Republican healthcare crisis, which 43 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: no one golombed on toever. 44 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: They had to sell their own party. 45 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: It seemed to me this wasn't a conversation until Schumer 46 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: tried to make it a conversation. And is there a 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: question of maybe for the first time, the Democrats weren't 48 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: following right away it took them a while to get 49 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: on that page. 50 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: Well, I think, first off, it took Schumer a while 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 4: to get on that page because don't forget, he had 52 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 4: an opportunity to do a shutdown strategy in March right 53 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 4: a cr that had expired, and Chuck Schumer had a 54 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: book out, remember he had the Chuck Schumer Memoir, the 55 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: book tour that ended up getting canceled because Chuck Schumer 56 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 4: wouldn't do the shutdown, and he argued at the time 57 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 4: that shutdowns are terrible strategies and that Democrats are about 58 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 4: keeping government functioning because government is one of their big values. 59 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 4: So it is a bad strategy to shut down the 60 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 4: government in order to argue for more government, which makes sense, 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 4: and it was actually the right argument. And Chuck Schumer 62 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 4: ended up getting death threats because he didn't do the shutdown. 63 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: So this time around, of course he's going to do 64 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 4: the shutdown because he doesn't want the death threats again. 65 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 4: And you know, he goes full you know, you know, 66 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 4: full on board with the shutdown, sticks with it through 67 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 4: the off yr elections last week. You could argue whether 68 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 4: or not that intensified the turnout for Democrats. They may 69 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: have in Virginia where there's a lot of federal workers. 70 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 4: I you know, these are blue states electing Democrats. I 71 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 4: don't know that there was really that big of an issue. 72 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 4: But as soon as it was over, there was no 73 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: stakes at all left involved because they weren't going to 74 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 4: get the subsidies. They weren't even going to get a 75 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 4: promise to are they weren't even going to get a 76 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: framework to negotiate the subsidies. Republicans had made that clear 77 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: all along. Republicans don't like these subsidies. And on top 78 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 4: of that, the whole argument about these subsidies, as Donald 79 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 4: Trump put it last night, just proves that Obamacare is 80 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 4: not affordable. The Affordable Care Act is not affordable care. 81 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 4: It is structured badly. It keeps requiring more and more 82 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 4: government intervention to keep the costs from hitting the consumers, 83 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 4: which we've been talking about since twenty ten when it passed, 84 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 4: So for fifteen years we've been talking about hold on. 85 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: Republican organities running their mouths and not putting out anything 86 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: as a counter to it, and have failed absolutely miserably. 87 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: We both know this. 88 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: Republicans no disagreement on this whatsoever. Republicans still haven't come 89 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 4: up with a coherent plant. There's a coherent plan out there, 90 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 4: which is to get third parties out of the healthcare 91 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 4: business and opening up the market for providers by using 92 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: the same type of market that elective elective surgeries such 93 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 4: as plastic surgery LAY six uses, which allows people to 94 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: compete because they're not dealing with insurers. Right, so you 95 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 4: have open pricing, people compete. That's how you bring down 96 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 4: the cost of healthcare, not through third party price signal masking. 97 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 4: Price masking is what it is. We're ruining the price 98 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 4: signaling in an open market, and that's what the problem is, 99 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 4: and more subsidies makes that problem worse. But beyond this, right, 100 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 4: just strategically speaking, they vastly over promised what they could 101 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 4: deliver and so it's no great shock in the end 102 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: that they ended up with nothing in hand at all, 103 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 4: except reopening the government and undoing the stuff that the 104 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 4: shutdown and undoing the damage that the shutdown did to 105 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 4: air traffic control, to federal workers who were laid off, 106 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 4: and to snap beneficiaries, which is a whole other level 107 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 4: of subsidies that it has to be on the table. 108 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 4: I think the fallout from this is that the leadership 109 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 4: of the Democrat Party is going to shift towards Zaron 110 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: Mamdani and his poll within the Democrat coalition, and it's 111 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 4: already doing that. 112 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: XOS has a peace on that this morning. 113 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: Let me get to that right now, talking to Edmarssei 114 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: off hotair dot Com. First, the more I look at 115 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: them numbers, the more I look at the data, the 116 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: idea that the shutdown energized abase Zoron Mamdani got just 117 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: over a million votes when over just over two million 118 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: votes were cast in a city of eight point four 119 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: million people. It was less than twelve point five percent 120 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: of the vote. And toto, So no, I don't think 121 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: there was this great energy from Mom Donnie, except from 122 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: MSNBCCNN and the rest. And I do not think there 123 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: was a great energy that was delivered because of the shutdown. 124 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: I think is interesting when we talk about Schumer is 125 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: that when the election was set and done, they felt 126 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: that they had a mandate to keep going. They believed 127 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: you heard a Richard Blumenthal, Connecticut senator who lied about 128 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: his Vietnam service. 129 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: I don't see the need to give up. 130 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: You've heard from Chris Murphy beta mail, Democrat senator from Connecticut, 131 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: that we would be fools to. 132 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: Give up now. 133 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: We'll lose our base heading into the midterms if we 134 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: give up now. They didn't want to give up. Then 135 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: you had the senators who crossed over and said, you're 136 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: all crazy. 137 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 3: We're going to be normal people for half a second. 138 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: Ed And so now this is all said and done, 139 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: everything's finished, it's signed, the shutdown is over. Is Chuck 140 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: Schumer done as the leader of the Democrats in the Senate? 141 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: Not in this session, He's not. Maybe in the next session. 142 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 4: I mean, he doesn't come up for reelection until twenty 143 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 4: twenty eight. So you have to take a look and 144 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 4: see how Democrats do in the midterms, who gets who 145 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: loses their seats, who comes into the Senate, and you know, 146 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 4: as new senators, you can take a look at that 147 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 4: and then calculate that, But there's who you're going to 148 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 4: replace them with. You've got Patty Murray, maybe you've got 149 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 4: Elizabeth Warren. Kind of come on. First off, I think 150 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 4: that we're looking at that question incorrectly because this assumes 151 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 4: that eight senators actually, you know, revolted against Chuck Schumer. 152 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer arranged that vote. Chuck Schumer understood that there 153 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: was nothing more to be gained from this, and he 154 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 4: arranged that vote. And I'll tell you you know who, 155 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 4: you know what the real talent, and that is is 156 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 4: Dick Durbin. Dick Durbin is from Progressive Illinois. He is 157 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: a toady. He was a toady to Harry Reid. He's 158 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 4: a toady to Chuck Schumer. Dick Durbin's not running for 159 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 4: office again. He's already announced his retirement. If Dick Durbin 160 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 4: flipped on this thing, it's because Chuck Schumer told him to. 161 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 4: There is no universe in which Dick Urban revolts against 162 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer, none whatsoever was a This was a calculated 163 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 4: move to bring this to an end before Thanksgiving because 164 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 4: of the damage it was doing. And I think that 165 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 4: that was the first smart move that Chuck Schumer even 166 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 4: made in this thing was to finally bring this thing 167 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 4: to a halt before it really extended through through the 168 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 4: holidays and actually might have an impact on the midterms. 169 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 4: I don't think that this actually is going to have 170 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: a huge lasting impact on American politics. I think by 171 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 4: the time the midterms come around, there's me all sorts 172 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 4: of things that people will be talking about besides what happened, 173 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: you know, for these six weeks. But one reason, one 174 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 4: way you make sure that that's the case is to 175 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 4: bring it to a close and do it quickly as 176 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: soon as you can, and be able to scapegoat some 177 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 4: people who aren't in running for reelection in the next cycle. 178 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: I was eight. 179 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 4: All eight of these senators are not up for election 180 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: in the next cycle. 181 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: I was amazed that it happened so quickly. 182 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: I expected Rand Paul to hold something up because there 183 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: are some things in this legislation about how the Republican 184 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: senators can sue if Jack Smith looked at their phone 185 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: records conversations about HEMP and THHC that really are I 186 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: would say untoward as being way too kind. Talking to 187 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: Ed Marcy of hotair dot com, it's some ugly legislation 188 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: that came through here. But I agree that this doesn't 189 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: have a midterm effect unless we look at the cr 190 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: that's going to. 191 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: Come up in September twenty twenty six. That very much could. 192 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: Yes, But this was a question about if Schumer's done, 193 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: and I believe his leadership is because as you point 194 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: out over there at Axios, guess who's taking the strategic 195 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: reins of the Democrat Party. Now the picture is of 196 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: Zoronmam Donnie with Alex Soros. I argue it's Alex Soros. 197 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: I did saw on Sean Spicer's show last week. You're 198 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: making a different argument, but they could quite easily ed 199 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: because complementary arguments. 200 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely, your stating. 201 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: That it is Mom Donnie. 202 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: What you're I think you're saying is the Democratic Socialist 203 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: day has come. They have engaged a full takeover of 204 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party and now we're all about to find 205 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: out if indeed we are to fa. 206 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 4: Exactly, And you're right, these are not mutually exclusive claims 207 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: because Alex Soros is a big part of promoting Zoron Mamdani. 208 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 4: As you can see from the congratulatory picture. They took 209 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 4: the evening of the election after it was confirmed that 210 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: Mamdani had won the meg or Ole election. This is 211 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 4: the same party, by the way, that keeps saying no 212 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 4: kings and no oligarchs, and of course Alex Soros is 213 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: basically out of central casting for Hollywood, for oligarchs or 214 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 4: the scions of oligarchs, I guess in this particular case. 215 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 4: And so yes, I mean, this is the Democrat socialist 216 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: taking over the Peace and Axios talks about how Mam 217 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 4: Donnie is now consulting with JB. Pritzker, Wes Moore, and 218 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 4: interestingly Josh Shapiro on strategy to oppose Donald Trump. That 219 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 4: is not Mom Donnie asking for you know, advice. That's 220 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: Mum Donnie saying, you guys lost the last couple of years. 221 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you how to win. And Shapiro 222 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 4: was at least honest enough to allude to that by saying, well, 223 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 4: Mom Donnie, really had, you know, showed us the through 224 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 4: line on affordability and how that works. Mo'm Donnie's taking 225 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 4: over the Democrat Party. Mon Donnie's allies are taking over 226 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: the Democrat Party. That's what this is about. So short term, 227 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer stays in power stays in that leadership position, 228 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 4: but long term, the Democrat Socialist it's AOC Mo'm donnie, 229 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 4: you know, uh, you know Alissa Pressley. I think Alissa Presley, 230 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 4: Jasmine Crockett, those are the people who are taking over 231 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 4: the Democrat Party from this point forward. 232 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: Talking to Ed Marscy of hotair dot com, this, you know, 233 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: someone's gonna ask me, well, Tony, if that's the case, 234 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: Howard g is going to keep voting for Democrats? 235 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: And my answer is, I don't know. I don't know 236 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 3: every Jewish person out there. 237 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: They don't want to go to my synagogue, but I 238 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: guarantee you a bunch of them still are, because well, 239 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: there are people who have given up their you know, 240 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: their humanity if you will, for their ideology. 241 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 3: And that is certainly something that has happened. 242 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: When we talk about democratic socialists, which are socialists, no 243 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: such thing as a democratic socialists. 244 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: This is all just a great bit of mythology. 245 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: So now the question is do we think that America 246 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: is actually prepared for this? That question is something that 247 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: gets asked in the cable newsphere and others. I think 248 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: the answer is they're already down this road. The question 249 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: is how do you suggest that that gets blunted because 250 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: what they what they believe in as a policy, as 251 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: a philosophy, ends up with ruination just because well we've 252 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: read the book. 253 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, well the book, by the way, is the road 254 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 4: to serve them. I would highly recommend the book. 255 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: H A y e k uh the brother of Salma 256 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: Hyak and looks just as hot in movies. 257 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, the uncle of Salama Hyak. Oh, well, 258 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 3: I'm kinder than you. 259 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but don't watch don't watch Freda because Freda 260 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 4: is all about the opposite of what. 261 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: Hyak is telling you. 262 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: But yes, that's Frea, that's Matero. Is that as she 263 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: was married to? Yeah see, I know, thanks, f. 264 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: A Hyek is hotter ideologically, I'll just say that story. 265 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: But yes, this is You're right. There's no such thing 266 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 4: as democratic socialism. It's just socialism. This is about taking 267 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: power by any means necessary, and that means street action, 268 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 4: that means the type of stuff we've seen for the 269 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 4: last two years on college campuses from democrat socialists that 270 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 4: are pro Hamas. 271 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: Uh. 272 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 4: This is part of mom Donnie's own influence, right, This 273 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 4: is this is the sector of politics that He came 274 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 4: out of these pro hamas pro socialism, an outright Marxist 275 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 4: and proudly so, and is intending on imposing socialist policies 276 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 4: on New York City and then broadly on the rest 277 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 4: of the country. Through these consultations with Democrat governors as 278 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 4: to how to oppose Donald Trump, he is taking the lead. 279 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 4: If I was in his position, I'd be doing the 280 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 4: exact same thing. I won the election. You guys lost. 281 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 4: It's time you start listening to me. Because I'm in 282 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: the vanguard of where your constituencies are going. It makes 283 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 4: perfect sense. It's very dangerous because of what he is. 284 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 4: But if I was in his position, I'd say the 285 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 4: exact same thing. 286 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: It's not easy to defeat various governors. 287 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: It's not easy to defeat it at all. 288 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: No, it's not because it's very seductive. 289 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 4: And I'll tell you this the other thing to Tony 290 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 4: and I know we don't have a ton of time 291 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 4: on this, But for the last few decades, the American 292 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 4: educational system has been in doctrinating students into thinking that 293 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 4: socialism is a legitimate, proven method of governing, when all 294 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 4: the evidence of the twentieth century shows the absolute destruction 295 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 4: that socialist policies have created, whether it's you know, national 296 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 4: socialism in Germany, or whether it's communist socialism in the 297 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: Soviet Union and in China and Venezuela right now and 298 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 4: every other place that's been applied. And that's where you 299 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 4: need to read the road to serve them, because in 300 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 4: nineteen thirty eight, nineteen thirty nine, i think is when 301 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: he wrote this book, maybe it was in the nineteen forties, 302 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 4: he laid it out very clearly as to exactly the model. 303 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 4: And the model keeps proving itself over and over and 304 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 4: over again when socialism, when socialist policies fail, the answer 305 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 4: from socialists is more socialism, and it's more brutal. It 306 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 4: keeps getting more and more brutal because as people fail, 307 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 4: they get replaced by people who will impose those policies 308 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 4: more or brutally because they can't accept the fact that 309 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 4: the policies themselves are wrong. It's just simply that we 310 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 4: didn't we didn't socialism enough. We've got a socialism harder. 311 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: The round hole is never square enough for the square peg, 312 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: so the square peg must be further pounded into the 313 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: round hole. That's exactly what we're discussing Ed Morrissey hotair 314 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: dot com. 315 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 3: I appreciate you being with us. More to get to 316 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. 317 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: I always like keeping an eye on what's going on 318 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: with the country economically, but I don't give financial advice. 319 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 3: No, no, no no, I don't do that. Tony Katz, 320 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: Tony Katz today. Good to be with you. 321 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: But I will say, has anybody noticed that gold has 322 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: popped back up and is now at least that part 323 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: of today forty two hundred dollars an ounce? That silver 324 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: is fifty three and actually hit fifty four dollars and 325 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: forty five cents an ounce. Full disclosure. I did have 326 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: some silver and I sold it at fifty one. Of 327 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: course I did. But I'd rather sell too early than 328 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: too late. That's the way I operate, That's where I work. 329 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: Somebody else is smarter than me. Fantastic, terrific. Again, I'm 330 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: not telling you you should or you shouldn't. That's totally 331 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: up to you, Totally up to you and your financial 332 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: professional or whomever else. 333 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 3: I don't know you consult with a Wiji board. 334 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm telling you is is that. 335 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: That's up to you. But is anybody noticing what's happening here? 336 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: They reopened the government and or talk about it, and boom, 337 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: the price went back up. Gold is a hedge against inflation. 338 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: By the way, I don't have any gold sponsors. I'm 339 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: not telling you where to buy gold, none of that. 340 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: That's not what I'm doing. It's a hedge against inflation. 341 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: And that's how it has to be thought of. And 342 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: so the minute there was a conversation about the idea 343 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: that the government was gonna get back open, boom the 344 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: gold shot back up, which means they you're more spending 345 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: because they're concerned. They being the markets people, Americans citizens, 346 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: they're concerned about inflation. This should be telling to the 347 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: White House. They should be aware of what's happening here. 348 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: And this is the economic conversation. Stop telling me everything 349 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: is great, That's all I ask. Be honest about what's 350 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: happening and recognize how people feel. This is a unique 351 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: indicator of sentiment, and the sentiment is it ain't all great, kitten, 352 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: And that's. 353 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 3: All I'm saying. The numbers tell their own story. You 354 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 3: do with those numbers what you will. I'm Tony Katz. 355 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: This is Tony Kats today. 356 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: There's no question that the shutdown affected everything everywhere. There's 357 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: no segment of society that didn't have some level of 358 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: effect of these shutdowns, which are now over. 359 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 3: So we got that going for us. Tony Kats Cats today. 360 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: Great to be with. 361 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: You find everything at Tony kats dot com. I admit 362 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: what I said is still true. You didn't feel the 363 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: effects of the shutdown in your everyday life. 364 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 3: That isn't to say that there weren't things that were affected. 365 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: We saw how air traffic controllers were affected, We saw 366 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: how the military was affected. We saw how people getting 367 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: snap benefits were affected. And I still agree we need 368 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: to do a tremendous amount to reduce the number of 369 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: people getting these benefits because there's a lot of people 370 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: who do not deserve them. We shouldn't be helping single 371 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: able bodied men. They have to go get jobs, they 372 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: have to go produce, they have to go create. We 373 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: are not going to allow this taker society to take hold. 374 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: It's nonsense, it's madness. But there were other. 375 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: Things that took place, and if you were taking some 376 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: kind of family vacation, you didn't get to go to 377 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: a National Park. If you were trying to see DC 378 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: and monuments, sorry, that wasn't going to happen. And so 379 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: while you can argue, man, that's really first world problem, 380 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: isn't that the exact. 381 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 2: Kind of problems we want to have? 382 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: I mean, after all, what's the value being a first 383 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: world nation if you can't have first world problems? I 384 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: say that not to be flipped, but rather to engage 385 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: a little with a little more focus. Well, these things 386 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: did affect parts of the country, and while it did, 387 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: there's also things going on within the country that need 388 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: to get our attention. And there's been a lot of 389 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: talk about data centers and the idea of whether or 390 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: not you want your city, your state, your municipality to 391 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: have these data centers and they take up all this 392 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: energy and how does one deal with it? 393 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: What is the future? 394 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: I had the chance to sit and talk with Doug Bergham, 395 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: the Secretary of the Interior, the former governor of North Dakota, 396 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: who has a very very long history in tech. I 397 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: do have questions on the tech side and how Interior 398 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: plays a part in this. But from your department, people 399 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't think the Secretary of the Interior dealing with land 400 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: management across the United States impacted by the shutdown. 401 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 2: How did the shutdown affect your world? 402 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 5: Well, Tony, great to be with you, and thanks for 403 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 5: drawing light on this, but this hurts every American and 404 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 5: across the interior. It's an incredible department. We've got all 405 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 5: the national parks, all the tribal relationships across the country, 406 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 5: four hundred and fifty four tribal nations. We deal with 407 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 5: over four hundred National park sites and historic sites, US 408 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 5: fish and wildlife, all of these things. When you shut 409 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 5: down the National park system, we fought to keep them open. 410 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 5: But when we had them open, there was nobody there 411 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 5: in the boot collecting revenue. We were losing revenue every day, 412 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 5: and you knew who was really hurting the entrance communities 413 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 5: to the national parks, those small businesses, particularly during the 414 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 5: like fall leaf season, Great Smoky Mountains, some of our 415 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 5: most visited. I thinks all of these losing tens of 416 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 5: millions of dollars of revenue a day for small businesses 417 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 5: for what? 418 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 2: I mean for what? Because you know. 419 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 5: There was nothing accomplished by the Democrats, only hurting Americans. 420 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 3: You and in your tenure as governor of North Dakota. 421 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: It's a very interesting story because I don't want to 422 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: call you the accidental governor, but I think when you 423 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: ran as being an executive with great Plain Software selling 424 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: that to Microsoft for one point one billion dollars, people 425 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily take that too seriously. I think it is 426 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: an acceptable way to say it. And then you want 427 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: a second term by an overwhelming margin. You've engaged the 428 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: idea of beating the odds and then working with people 429 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: towards towards common goals. Was there no conversation about how 430 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: a common goal could have been achieved except to wait 431 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: out forty two days of democrat and sanity. 432 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: Well, I, first of. 433 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 5: All, accidental governor is totally appropriate. And when I was 434 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 5: when I decided what I decided to run, and I 435 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 5: told that Captain I. 436 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 2: Was thinking about running. 437 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 5: He said, oh, my goodness, really why we have a 438 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 5: great life and would you want to get into this, 439 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 5: you know, horrible world of you know, politics, And I said, well, 440 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 5: don't worry, I don't have a chance. You don't have 441 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 5: to worry about being first lady. So that was my 442 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 5: sales pitch. But she was an amazing first lady as well. 443 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 5: But we but yeah, there wasn't really, I don't think 444 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 5: in DC and Congress. You know, I'm busy trying to 445 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 5: keep the world's largest balance sheet going. I mean, Interior 446 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 5: has got five hundred million acres of service land to manage, 447 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 5: and timber leads and grazing leads is oil and gas leeting. 448 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 5: We're revenue generating agency and trying to keep that revenue up. 449 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 5: Under the Biden administration, the revenue went down every year. 450 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 5: And these assets is the underground assets seven hundred million 451 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 5: acres of where we've got minerals, critical minerals, oil and gas, 452 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 5: the timber engrazing on the surface, and then offshore you know, 453 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 5: rich with all kinds of resources two point five billion 454 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 5: acres stretching everywhere from Pacific Islands to the Caribbean, because 455 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 5: all of those territories are part of the the Department 456 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 5: of the misnamed Department of Interior, and of course everything 457 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 5: up in Alaska which was shut down into the Biden administration, 458 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 5: that's got a resource. But when we tell Americans here about, oh, 459 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 5: we've got this debt, we've got three six billion dollars 460 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 5: of debt, I'm a magical number. Well, I want to 461 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 5: let Americans know it. You also, if you own part 462 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 5: of that debt, you own part of these assets. These 463 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 5: are public lands, and in your assets, ownership in these 464 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 5: father lands could be five times ten times greater than 465 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 5: the debt, because we have hundreds of brillions of dollars 466 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 5: of assets held in these lands, minerals, timber, all these 467 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 5: things that we can generate revenue from. But we've got 468 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 5: to get reve When Theodore Roosevelt put these lands away, 469 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 5: they weren't all wilderness areas. They weren't all national parts 470 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 5: and sacred areas. These were for the benefit and the 471 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 5: use of the American people. 472 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: That's what we're about. 473 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 5: And the shutdown hurt our ability, hurt our revenue, and 474 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 5: hurt the communities and the workers and timber raising ranchers, 475 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 5: oil and gas affects all of them. 476 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: Talking to the Secretary of the Interior, Doug Bergham, and 477 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: I do understand what you're saying there. I agree, But 478 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: just before moving on, you talked about the amount of 479 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: land that is covered by the Secretary of the Interior, 480 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: by your department, by the Bureau of Land Management, especially 481 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: on the West of the United States. 482 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: Is it too much? 483 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 3: Shall we be giving this land back to the states. 484 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 5: There are specific instances where the answer that question is yes. 485 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 5: There's lands that were meant to go to Alaska when 486 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 5: it became a state in the late nineteen fifties that 487 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 5: still haven't been transferred. We're trying to get those back 488 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 5: out of the states. The states and many times can 489 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 5: manage these better they're closer to them. 490 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: I know this as a former governor. 491 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 5: But there are other lands that We've got a small 492 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 5: amount of lands that are in southern Nevada. There is 493 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 5: a Southern Nevada Lands Act. Harry Reid, Democrat, leader of 494 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 5: the Senate twenty five years ago, came up with a 495 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 5: bill because you've got cities like Las Vegas that are 496 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 5: hammed in by Bureau of Land Management. Land that's not 497 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 5: good for recreation, not good for grazing, but wow, it's 498 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 5: a valuable land. And when we sell one hundred acres 499 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 5: of land near Las Vegas, we the federal government, you 500 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 5: the people, and. 501 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: We get a big check. 502 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 5: Then we can turn that check and turn that into 503 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 5: developing real recreation land, real wilderness, real visitor centers. And 504 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 5: that's what we're doing right now. So there are some 505 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 5: cases where in the precise thing. And if you look 506 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 5: out west around fast growing cities Boise, Salt Lake, Las Vegas, Reno, 507 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 5: those are places. I mean, Nevada's eighty percent federal owned. 508 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 5: I mean, that's just crazy. Indiana is a lucky state. 509 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 5: It's got very little federal ownership and doesn't have to 510 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 5: deal with this with having a bunch of federal bureaucracy 511 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 5: screwing up the basically being the landlord for Indiana, the 512 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 5: governor of Indiana can manage the land with the people 513 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 5: of Indiana who care for it, live there, live there 514 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 5: for generations. I mean, nobody's going to care for Indiana 515 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 5: more than the people that are living there. 516 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 3: More than Hoosiers, that's true. 517 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: Talking to the Secretary of the car Doug Bergham, you 518 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: bring up my state, Indiana, and being somebody who has 519 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: this long career in tech and tech growth, you also 520 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: play in the world of energy. In my state, data 521 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: centers have become a front and center subject. 522 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 3: Do we want to be the state of data centers? 523 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: They take up the land, they're not attractive, there's not 524 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: really a workforce. 525 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 3: Is it actually throwing off a tax benefit? 526 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: And what of the energy usage, the power and the 527 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: water that's utilized in your view, as you are dealing 528 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: with us and seeing this and seeing of course questions 529 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: about hey, can we use this land, can. 530 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: We use that land? 531 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: Should states be looking at being data center states or 532 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: is this a no win proposition? 533 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 5: Well, I think they should absolutely look at it, and 534 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 5: every state's got to make up their own decisions and 535 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 5: whether they get benefit or not spends a little bit 536 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 5: on their revenue generation. If they are generating revenue through 537 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 5: property taxes, these can be a huge lift for for 538 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 5: some rural areas. But as a country, we're we're in 539 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 5: the AI arms race with China, and China didn't take 540 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 5: the last forty three days off. 541 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: You know, they're charging ahead. 542 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 5: They're adding power at unbelievable levels. I Mean, there's been 543 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 5: a saying in every language and every culture for a 544 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 5: thousand years that knowledge is power, But now it's actually flipped. 545 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 5: It's power is knowledge because the first time in human history, 546 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 5: we can take electricity, a kill a lot of electricity, 547 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 5: and we can convert it directly into intelligence. So, Tony, 548 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 5: I've even quit calling these data centers. If you're manufacturing intelligence, 549 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 5: these are manufacturing plants, I mean a data center. Yeah, 550 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 5: you've got to you know, blue cross healthcare claim, and 551 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 5: you've got a payer and you've got a provider, and 552 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 5: you have a patient. That's the closed loop system that 553 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 5: it's a data center that's running you know some you 554 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 5: know shopping orders. That's the closed loop between the customer 555 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 5: and the company. But these these are GPT's general purpose technologies. 556 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 5: If you're manufacturing intelligence, it can be used by universities 557 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 5: in Indiana, can be used by by people that are 558 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 5: trying to cure cancer, research institutes, that can be used 559 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 5: by K twelve students. 560 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: It can be used by by anybody. 561 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 5: And and you're going to see capital flow to the 562 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 5: states that have low electricity crisis, and you're going to 563 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 5: see capital flow away from states that have high electricity 564 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 5: prices because electricity is the primary ingredient into to UH 565 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 5: to you know, creating more intelligence. 566 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: And we've got we've got different policies. 567 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 5: Are country places like New York and California that have 568 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 5: traditionally attracted capital. 569 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: Are going to be on the last of the list. 570 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's close to four hundred billion dollars 571 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 5: chasing chasing you know, artificial intelligence factory locations right now. 572 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 2: I don't sell capital. 573 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: I say yes, talking to the Secretary of the Interior, 574 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: Doug Berghen. But this, this energy conversation is exactly the 575 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: one where states like mine and other states end up 576 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,959 Speaker 1: seeing an issue and the people say, hold up a second, 577 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: we're the ones who are going to pay the energy bill. 578 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: We're going to pay the more expensive energy. 579 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: Bill because the data center is using. 580 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: All the energy. 581 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: So it's not that I don't disagree about where things 582 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: are going. How do you engage a conversation of convincing 583 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: local municipalities, no matter the state, when the realization is 584 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: these data centers suck up energy like it's their job. 585 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 2: Well, I think the key here is there is no 586 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: energy transition. That was that was basically a misconception, a. 587 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 5: Framing that somehow that if you had a highly subsidized 588 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 5: intermittent weather dependence, you know, power, that you could transition 589 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 5: away from from, you know, baseloads seven by twenty four power. 590 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 5: But there is energy addition. We need more electricity in 591 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 5: this country. We have not produced. We've never if someone's 592 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 5: running utility. 593 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 2: And they've been a CEO and they grew up in. 594 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 5: That industry in their lifetime, they've never seen a demand 595 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 5: curve like we have not where we just need more power. 596 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 5: And what's the administration is doing is allowing these the hyperscalers, 597 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 5: the people that are building the AI factories to build them, 598 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 5: you know, off the meter behind the grid. But you've 599 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 5: got to bring your own power. You've got to build 600 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 5: your own power. You have to be your own you 601 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 5: have to be your own power generator. So you're not 602 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 5: affecting the local pricing, so you're not affecting the local grid. 603 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 5: And the way to you know, do that again, part 604 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 5: of the cost of electricity is cost of transmission. A 605 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 5: lot of this intermittent stuff that was built, you know, 606 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 5: the weather dependent wind and solar build it, you know, 607 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 5: build a wind farm in North Dakota. But then we 608 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 5: need transmission from North Dakota to California or North Kota 609 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 5: to New York or someplace, and that costs, you know, 610 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 5: trillions of dollars of infrastructure costs to move these electrons around. 611 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: Where the data center. 612 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 5: Guys, the smart ones are going to a place where 613 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 5: we've got stranded power like the Permium, the Bakan, the 614 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 5: North Dakota, the Marcellis and Pennsylvania go to where the 615 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 5: stranded natural gas is build a power plan, put a 616 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 5: data center right next to it, and guess what Your 617 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 5: finished product goes out on a fiber optic cable. 618 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: And it's like, you don't need to be fighting all. 619 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 5: The landowner issues related to transmission or pipelines. 620 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: By the way, the buck and oursels, these are shale 621 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: fields that the secretary is talking about. Well, I've got 622 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: thirty seconds, sar, and I appreciate you taking the time 623 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: before I let you go. I've already run late and 624 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: it's been well worth it. Has there ever been a 625 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: conversation about the Interior Department allowing certain land to be 626 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: utilized for the building of data centers? So it's not 627 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: state a conversation, it's actually a federal conversation. And then 628 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: the states being able to benefit from the federal government 629 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: engaging and what can be seen as a national security conquest. 630 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: Answer is yes. 631 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 5: And on the topic of affordability, in North Kota, when 632 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 5: I was still governor, we approved the data center. But 633 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 5: they actually did in a way where the rates went 634 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 5: down for the local farmers. 635 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 2: You produce extra energy, put it. 636 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 5: Onto the grid, benefit everybody locally into your data center. 637 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 2: There's a win win opportunity here. The capital is there. 638 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: People just have to be absolutely creative. 639 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 5: And then again, my great partner Chris Wright leading the 640 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 5: Department of Energy. 641 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,959 Speaker 2: Department of Energy, he's got land. 642 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 5: They're fast tracking and co looating small, co locating small 643 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 5: modular nuclear in future of future of electricity. 644 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: Down the road. 645 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 5: We need more of that, but co locating on their 646 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 5: land to speed up the permitting process so they can 647 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 5: get it done in years not decades. 648 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: Secretary Doug Bergham, the Secretary of the Interior. Secretary Bergham 649 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: on the Twitter xbu r gum. 650 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. 651 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 3: Taking the time come visit us. 652 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: Happy to host you have an event, and if you're 653 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: a cigar smoker, well then my gosh, I'd be happy 654 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 1: as a clam. 655 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 2: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz. 656 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: Today, Congressman Thomas Massey is saying that the FBI and 657 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: their investigations to January sixth is about targeting the investigators. 658 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: And now Dan Bongino, the deputy director of the FBI, 659 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: is calling that disgusting, calling out Representative Massey and saying, hey, look, 660 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: I have tried to reach out to you. Here's the 661 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: screenshots of me trying to call you, what in the 662 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: world are you doing here? Why don't you be on 663 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: our side in this investigation? Instead of a quote dog 664 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: barking behind defence Thomas Massey. I want to like he 665 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: has made it impossible, he said me, ah, because it's 666 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: all because of Israel. It's because of him. It's because 667 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: of a what I would describe as a broken philosophy 668 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 1: on how one engages. 669 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: I can appreciate a no vote. 670 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 3: I can appreciate we've got a spending issue here. 671 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: I can appreciate him saying I don't want the foreign 672 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: aid over there. I can't appreciate on every subject everywhere 673 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: everyone is terrible, and everything is terrible. Something has to 674 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: agree with you, and if not, I have to look 675 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 1: at you somewhat askew. And it's not that he can't 676 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: be right about certain things. It's just I look askew 677 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: at the man. Based on his presentation, find everything at 678 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 1: Tony Kats dot com tomorrow. 679 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 3: Everyone take care