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Speaker 1: It dominated the news for just about the entire month

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Nancy Guthrie, Savannah Guthrie's mother, and what

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Speaker 1: happened to her. Here's a reminder from Savannah Guthrie. We

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Speaker 1: received your message and we understand.

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Speaker 2: We beg you now to return our mother to us

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Speaker 2: so that we can celebrate with her.

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Speaker 1: Every couple days there was a new video being released

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Speaker 1: by Savannah Guthrie regarding her mother and joining us in

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Speaker 1: the WIBC studios, we have former FBI Special Agent Corey Grass,

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Speaker 1: who spent twenty years in counterintelligence, counter terrorism and also

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Speaker 1: hostage negotiations. Now, Corey, before we get started, where can

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Speaker 1: people find you?

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Speaker 3: The easiest place to find is on Facebook. Just Corey Grass,

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Speaker 3: co Roy gr Ass like you know or apex Defend

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Speaker 3: as a company I also cow and consult with.

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Speaker 1: So there's a massive recall campaign going on right now

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Speaker 1: against the PMA County Sheriff Chris Nanos, who who is

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Speaker 1: leading the disappearance investigation of Nancy Guthrie. So with all

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Speaker 1: and how does the FBI coordinate with the sheriff's department

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Speaker 3: These kind of cases are exactly why relationships are built

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Speaker 3: in advance, because when things are going poorly and stressed out,

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Speaker 3: that's the best time to have good friends or good

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Speaker 3: is just to consult. We typically don't have a large

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Speaker 3: contendency of negotiators in each field office. Indianapolis had five

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Speaker 2: That seems to kind of go a little bit against

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Speaker 2: I think what most people think. I think most people

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Speaker 4: And we see that in movies too.

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Speaker 2: You see it where the local law enforcement and the

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Speaker 2: FBI kind of butt heads and this is my show. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is my show. But what you're saying is usually

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Speaker 3: I would say usually, but there and it varies on

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Speaker 3: But yeah, people watch too many movies and think that

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Speaker 1: So a few weeks ago, Jim and I were talking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I said Jim a text that day, had

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Speaker 4: Here in our house. Yeah, not mine anyway.

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Speaker 3: It seems to me, And I don't have any inside information.

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Speaker 3: The FBI has wonderful technology and manpower that they can

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Speaker 1: Did it strike you as peculiar that you had cash

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Speaker 3: Probably because of the high profile case. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: On Yeah, what it was you talked a little bit about,

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Speaker 3: It seems dissimilar in the way that it's so chaotic.

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't Again this point, we're seven ish weeks

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Speaker 3: tell you who did it, why, nobody's asking for money,

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Speaker 3: no one's making any sort of demands of the family.

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Speaker 3: You'd mentioned a while back on the air that you

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Speaker 1: Corey Grass is joining US former FBI special agents twenty

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Speaker 1: years in counterintelligence and also counter terrorism and hostage negotiations.

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Speaker 1: So in regardless of the digital or physical evidence, you

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Speaker 3: That gives you the break you need to start going

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Speaker 3: I would say there early on, especially they're chasing down leads,

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Speaker 3: so you'll get fifty percent the leads will be insane,

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Speaker 3: They'll take that basic information down an operational center whereby

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Speaker 2: It's a call in tip and somebody's like, I think

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Speaker 2: it's Joe Schmoe over here at one twenty three Main Street.

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Speaker 2: Sort through all those or do you have to like

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Speaker 3: You hit the nail on the head. It's all those things,

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Speaker 3: I would think definitely not again, will they have one

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Speaker 4: No, but they will.

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Speaker 3: They will always have an open file on that and

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Speaker 2: What is How does an FBI decide? How does how

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Speaker 3: When I was there, the general rule of thumb was

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Speaker 1: But do you have an instinct regarding the Nancy grothro

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to ask you some FBI type questions,

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Speaker 3: Zero flexibility and they provide all that stuff for you. Actually,

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Speaker 3: It was just I'm at great people, The scenarios were great,

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Speaker 3: And FBI training all around. The firearms training is amazing

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Speaker 3: It's awesome.

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Speaker 4: Do you so?

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Speaker 3: There's always showmanship everything. That guy was doing the showmanship

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Speaker 3: we did. But I'd been in plenty of scuffles, I'd

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Speaker 3: You how to handle it in the field, it's it's

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Speaker 3: it's awesome and not fund it's the same. I would

440
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Speaker 3: go back and shooes do it right now, but it's

441
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Speaker 3: it's great training. So I think the UFC stuff they

442
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Speaker 3: would teach you a better way to fight and protect

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Speaker 3: yourself and not hurt other people is be.

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Speaker 2: Great, right, And I would think if I'm either being

445
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Speaker 2: recruited to potentially be an FBI special agent or I'm

446
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Speaker 2: already one, that just sounds cool. I mean, it's at

447
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, being in the FBI is

448
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Speaker 2: still a job, and as the people that run your

449
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Speaker 2: job and your bosses, you've got to find ways to

450
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Speaker 2: keep people motive, get motivated, and keep people engaged.

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Speaker 4: And it was my first thinking, is.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool, I get to hang out with the UFC

453
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Speaker 2: guys and by the way, learn how to fight too.

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Speaker 4: That seems like a win win all the way around.

455
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Speaker 3: Fantastic for recruiting, because recruiting and law enforced in the

456
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Speaker 3: last twenty or thirty years has gone downhill across the board.

457
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Speaker 3: The FBI learned that the hard way too for years.

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Speaker 3: When I got hired O two, I applied before nine

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Speaker 3: to eleven, I got hired after nine eleven. But when

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Speaker 3: I got hired in O two was right after nine

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Speaker 3: to eleven, and they had one hundred and twenty five

462
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Speaker 3: thousand applications line final they told us. And I hired

463
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Speaker 3: less than a thousand people that year. So now these

464
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Speaker 3: days those numbers aren't the same because it's just different

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Speaker 3: across And I've made this example for years. If you're

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Speaker 3: a cyber person and you're just a stud in that arena,

467
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Speaker 3: back then you applied the FBI, it took you three

468
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Speaker 3: years to get hired and going to move you across

469
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Speaker 3: the country. You have to carry a gun, gotta work

470
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Speaker 3: odd hours, and the pay is not great for a

471
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Speaker 3: cyber person unless your family was military agent or something.

472
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Speaker 3: He was in your heart of hearts, Why would you

473
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Speaker 3: not apply for a local job getting hired the next

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Speaker 3: day on the spot, working from home, making double the money.

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Speaker 3: Things like UFC will draw certain young people to the

476
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Speaker 3: job and say, you know what, it is kind of cool.

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Speaker 3: I will do that for I worked with some guys

478
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Speaker 3: that came from the tech world and took ginormous pay

479
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Speaker 3: cuts to come over the FBI because they wanted to

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Speaker 3: make a difference. They enjoyed some of the hands on part,

481
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Speaker 3: and they were really really great people.

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Speaker 1: We only have a short moment left, but before you go,

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Speaker 1: I want you to tell us that this is Corey

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Speaker 1: Grass who's joining us, former FBI special agent, Your Drug

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Speaker 1: Dealer Story.

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Speaker 3: We prepped for the show a little bit. We talked

487
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Speaker 3: about some horrifically bad negotiations that just break your heart,

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Speaker 3: or unsolved or solved that are terrible. I did have

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Speaker 3: one in Northwest Indiana once where they called us up

490
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Speaker 3: on a weekend. The only time I missed one of

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Speaker 3: my kids' birthdays was this one. And it became pretty

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Speaker 3: clear after a couple of hours that the vi quote

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Speaker 3: unquote victim that we were dealing with did not want

494
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Speaker 3: us there, only spoke Spanish, may have had some history

495
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Speaker 3: in the drug world, his brother got kidnapped us Why

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Speaker 3: we were there. We're there for two or three days

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Speaker 3: over our holiday, and we found out because we called

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Speaker 3: on to what he was saying. We tried to trick

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Speaker 3: him into something. He negotiated on his own that night

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Speaker 3: without us. He only spoke Spanish, so that was kind

501
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Speaker 3: of slowed us download. We had have a translator help us.

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Speaker 3: In the end, he decided he was going to pay

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Speaker 3: the bad guys. We against our wishes. You're allowed to

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Speaker 3: pay ransom if you want, except a terrorists. You cannot

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Speaker 3: provide funds of terrorists. There's a slippy slope there. But

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Speaker 3: this was a drug case. He decided he was going

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Speaker 3: to pay the ransom up twenty I think it was

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Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars, and we explained him break clearly, we'll

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Speaker 3: try to help you. The bad guys were messing with us,

510
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Speaker 3: bring us back and forth to Chicago and just trying to,

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Speaker 3: you know, give us unrealistic goals and deadlines. But he

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Speaker 3: decided to pay the money, and we ended up. We

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Speaker 3: followed the money. We got us brother back. We did

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Speaker 3: lose the money went it went into a duplex. We

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Speaker 3: saw him one to do not we but a de

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Speaker 3: FBI and the cops saw going to a duplex. We

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Speaker 3: got the brother back, We got a search warrant for

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Speaker 3: the duplex, and the Jude wouldn't prove it because it

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Speaker 3: was a duplex and we didn't see which doorre it was.

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Speaker 3: So twenty thousand dollars walked, but it clearly the quote

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Speaker 3: unquote victim did not want us. There was a very

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Speaker 3: strange conversation for day, sitting with a guy at the

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Speaker 3: table who does not want to be there with you.

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Speaker 1: Why would the judge not approve it?

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Speaker 3: I think the people on the surveillance didn't see which

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Speaker 3: door the guys took the money in. It was a duplex,

527
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Speaker 3: which didn't realize probably and it's been this been many

528
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Speaker 3: many years ago. But we told the guy not to

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Speaker 3: pay it and he decided.

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Speaker 4: To be it.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you.

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Speaker 3: Corey Grass on Facebook or apexdefend dot com.

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Speaker 1: All right, we appreciate your time, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You'll be back next week. Absolutely more FBI stories with

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Speaker 1: our FBI guy, Corey Grass. You're listening to ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Diplomacy is fine, but it can't come at the expense

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Speaker 1: of the United States's strategic goal. You can't do something

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Speaker 1: just for optics. That shows a real lack of conviction.

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Speaker 1: But it does seem like that's exactly what the EU

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Speaker 1: is doing. You've got the European Union's foreign policy chief

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Speaker 1: pushing for a diplomatic solution to the war, and Iran

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Speaker 1: saying it would be an everyone's interest to end the conflict.

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Speaker 1: It is a save face proposal. Brussel's currently consulting with

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Speaker 1: some Middle Eastern governments, including the Gulf States, Jordan, and Egypt,

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Speaker 1: and they want these diplomatic proposals for Iran, Israel, and

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Speaker 1: the United States to exit the war quote in a

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Speaker 1: way where everybody saves face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't seem like what we're looking at right

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Speaker 2: now that that has any chance of happening. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think Iran views this as an existential threat to

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Speaker 2: their regime and a battle for their survival. And it

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Speaker 2: seems like Donald Trump and Israel right now or on

553
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Speaker 2: the polar opposite side and seem bound and determined to

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Speaker 2: make sure that that Iranian regime.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't survive past this.

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Speaker 2: But it makes sense that this is kind of Europe

557
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Speaker 2: trying to take a position to settle this at all cost.

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Speaker 4: And we talked a little bit about this earlier.

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Speaker 2: You know, the straight of horror moves, and that's what

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Speaker 2: everybody's focusing on right now. There's a ton of oil

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Speaker 2: that goes through there. The bad news for Europe is

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Speaker 2: a significant amount of their oil goes through there, so

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Speaker 2: does a lot for China and India. The good news

564
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Speaker 2: for the United States is only like one to two

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Speaker 2: percent of the oil that we use in this country

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Speaker 2: goes through the Strait of horror moves, so it's not

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Speaker 2: going to affect us on a regular basis, or I

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Speaker 2: should say in a practical way. Now the markets freak out,

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Speaker 2: and of course it keep in mind the oil market

570
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Speaker 2: is driven some by fact and a lot by emotion,

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Speaker 2: and they're concerned about this, and so that's why you've

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Speaker 2: seen oil prices go up so dramatically. But the actual

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Speaker 2: practical reality is we just don't get that much oil

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Speaker 2: through the strait of war moves. Europe is much more

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Speaker 2: reliant on it. A lot of countries in Asia a

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Speaker 2: much more reliant on it, but not so much US.

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Speaker 1: So the EU leaders they've refused to support military missiles

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Speaker 1: missions like sending warships in to secure the straight uphor news,

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Speaker 1: and they preferred diplomacy over engagement. They're saying that, you know,

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Speaker 1: they didn't start this war. Europe was in consultant before

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Speaker 1: strikes began, and they're very uneasy about all of the

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Speaker 1: US objectives in the war. And they also said that

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Speaker 1: they don't want to put troops or civilians at risk

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Speaker 1: in the Gulf region.

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Speaker 2: Fair positions, all right, Hey, you know what, those are

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Speaker 2: independent countries, democratically elected countries. They get to do whatever

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Speaker 2: they want. But can you imagine, let's say that at

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Speaker 2: the end of this summer early fall, it turns out

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Speaker 2: that this Iran military action was a huge success. President

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Speaker 2: Trump accomplished his objectives, We got everything done, and we're

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Speaker 2: talking about instilling, you know, a temporary regime in Iran

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Speaker 2: that is going to eventually lead to maybe having some

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Speaker 2: leaders be democratically elected. Just a slam dunk home run.

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Speaker 2: Imagine if that's the case. Because go back to last

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Speaker 2: year when Donald Trump and JD. Vance went to Europe

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Speaker 2: and just talked a whole bunch of smack about how

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Speaker 2: Europe needs to get their act together or else they're

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Speaker 2: going to be in big, big trouble. And then we

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Speaker 2: have this incursion in Iran that's a massive success, and

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Speaker 2: Europe fought it the entire way, didn't help out, didn't

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine the smack talk that Donald Trump is

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Speaker 2: going to lay down if that scenario plays out. He

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Speaker 2: is going to be relentless and it's not just going

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Speaker 2: to be verbal. Donald Trump is gonna Donald Trump. He

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Speaker 2: likes spite and he keeps he keeps score. He keeps

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Speaker 2: score about who helps him and who doesn't help him,

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Speaker 2: and who is loyal to him and who isn't loyal

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Speaker 2: to him. So if this ends up being a success

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Speaker 2: in Iran, Europe is going to have a very spiteful

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump on their hands, one that keeps score and

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Speaker 2: one that's gonna want to run up the score on

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Speaker 2: Europe after this.

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Speaker 1: Yep, because they weren't there. They weren't there when we

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Speaker 1: asked them to be.

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Speaker 2: They weren't there when they had the opportunity to be

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Speaker 2: when we had when we asked them to be, and

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Speaker 2: when in a lot of ways it's in their own

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Speaker 2: self interest to be this way. Europe is a lot

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Speaker 2: closer to the Middle East than the United States is.

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Speaker 2: Europe gets a lot more oil through the straight of

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Speaker 2: horror moves than we do. They're going to benefit dramatically

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Speaker 2: if this ends up being a victory for the United

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Speaker 2: States and Israel. Europe is going to benefit dramatically. And

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump will remind them of that every single day

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Speaker 2: that he has left in office. He will remind them

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Speaker 2: of the gift that he handed them, despite Europe's actions

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Speaker 2: on it.

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Speaker 1: He was asked if he would if he was afraid

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Speaker 1: about boots on the ground in Iran. And here's his answer,

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Speaker 1: because the Iranian.

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Speaker 5: Regimes, philostein News, if you put boots on the grounds

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Speaker 5: in Iran, it will be another Vietnam?

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Speaker 2: Are you afraid of that?

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Speaker 6: No, I'm not afraid of I'm really not afraid of anything.

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Speaker 1: Why are they saying comparing it to Vietnam because.

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Speaker 2: They know it'll get headlines and you know, and that's

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Speaker 2: exactly what happened in all of this too. And so

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Speaker 2: keep in mind, too, you got to understand who Donald

639
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Speaker 2: Trump is talking to. Do I think Donald Trump, you know,

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Speaker 2: will take this war to the degree that Vietnam was.

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Speaker 2: Keep in mind, we lost fifty thousand American servicemen and

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Speaker 2: women in Vietnam. I don't think anybody reasonably expects that

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Speaker 2: that's anywhere near a scenario that's going to take place here.

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Speaker 2: But with Donald Trump the point and I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of people get confused of this. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people will hear Donald Trump say something and then they'll

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Speaker 2: pick apart all of the stuff that is in the

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Speaker 2: middle without understanding the point of what he said, and

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Speaker 2: the point of what he's saying is we're in this

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Speaker 2: to win it, and we're going to stick around until

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Speaker 2: we're gonna win it.

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Speaker 4: But everybody's gonna.

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Speaker 2: Focus on Oh he said he'll take it as far

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Speaker 2: as Vietnam did, and they'll get lost in all of that.

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Speaker 2: The reason why Donald Trump has said this, and the

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Speaker 2: point of all of this is he's speaking to the

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Speaker 2: people in Iran, both the regime. He's saying, we're going

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Speaker 2: until you're gone, and he's speaking to the Iranian people.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be here. So it's when it's time, you

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Speaker 2: guys need to rise up and take your country back.

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Speaker 1: So Joe Kent, he resigned and he was the director

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Speaker 1: of US National counter Terrorism Center. He was a Trump

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Speaker 1: appointed national security official, narrator, he was going to get fired,

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Speaker 1: he was on the bubble, he was on his way

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Speaker 1: out anyway. So this is a guy who saved face.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a lot about this.

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Speaker 2: And look, as with any time that you hear leaks

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Speaker 2: coming out of the government, and you know so and

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Speaker 2: so reported this, you always got to treat that with

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Speaker 2: a bit of grain of salt. And Joe Kent resigned yesterday,

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Speaker 2: did it very publicly, and did it in a way

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Speaker 2: that said, he was clearly against this war in Iran.

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Speaker 4: So what do you think Donald Trump's going to do.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course they're going to leak a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of information that you know, damages Joe Kent's credibility. And

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Speaker 2: whether or not that's true or not, I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: But what I do know is I can go back

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Speaker 2: and look at Joe Kent's own words and look at

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Speaker 2: facts that exist that aren't based on leaks. And the

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Speaker 2: fact of the matter is Joe Kent has publicly talked

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Speaker 2: about how much of a threat Iran is. He has

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Speaker 2: said specifically that Iranian backed groups had quote definitely infiltrated

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Speaker 2: the US southern border. He has talked about and framed

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Speaker 2: the fact that Iran is an active national security threat,

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Speaker 2: not just a distant adversary. He said those things in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. So that was Joe Kent's position, and

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Speaker 2: for then to have him now completely repudiate that right,

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Speaker 2: that is.

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Speaker 1: If they posed no imminent threat, that.

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Speaker 2: Is more believable to me. So something clearly happened to

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Speaker 2: Joe Kent in the last two years to where he

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Speaker 2: dramatically changed his position on Iran. Now, whether or not

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Speaker 2: he was being you know, he was a leaker, or

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Speaker 2: he was being frozen out by the Trump administration. You know,

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Speaker 2: that's all speculation and just unverified reports. But we have

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Speaker 2: him on record saying these things, and now he have

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Speaker 2: him on record doing the complete opposite.

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Speaker 1: Well, he also argued that US involvement was influenced by

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Speaker 1: external pressure, including from allies, and maybe he was influenced

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Speaker 1: by external pressure as well. So the senior Director for

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Speaker 1: counter Terrorism on the National Security Council is as Gorka

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Speaker 1: Joe Kent. He was in charge of the National counter

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Speaker 1: Terrorism Center, and that is under the Office of DNI,

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Speaker 1: which Tulsa Gabbert is in charge of. Donald Trump was

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Speaker 1: asked about that and him leaving. He called him week

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Speaker 1: on security.

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Speaker 6: Well, I read his say and I always thought he

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Speaker 6: was a nice guy, but I always thought he was

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Speaker 6: weak on security, very weak on security. I didn't know

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Speaker 6: him well, but I thought he seemed like a pretty

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Speaker 6: nice guy. But when I read a statement, I realized

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Speaker 6: that it's a good thing that he's out. Because he

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Speaker 6: said that Iran was not a threat. Iran was a

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Speaker 6: threat every country. He realized what a threat a Ran was.

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Speaker 6: The question is whether or not they wanted to do

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Speaker 6: something about it.

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Speaker 1: So it is a good thing that he's out because

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Speaker 1: the last thing you need is disagreements within the administration.

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Speaker 1: They all need to be It's just like mom and

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Speaker 1: dad showing a united force, you know, a united front.

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Speaker 1: You got to be on the same side.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think with the broader implications of this

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Speaker 2: are and it seems pretty clear that Gabby Tulsa Gabbard

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Speaker 2: was the one that wanted Joe Kent in that position.

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Speaker 2: And now if he's shown to be disloyal or not

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Speaker 2: part of the Trump administration, how badly is that going

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Speaker 2: to reflect around Tulsa Gabbard And what are the consequences

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Speaker 2: of that. I think that's where this story goes in

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Speaker 2: the coming weeks.

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Speaker 1: So CNN did another poll and they said that the

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Speaker 1: operation against Iran is highly people like it, People are

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Speaker 1: approving of it. So this is coming from CNN and

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Speaker 1: according to them, MAGA eighty nine percent of people approve

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, MACA GOP on the US military action run. Look

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Speaker 5: at this, nearly nine to ten eighty nine percent approve

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Speaker 5: of the US military action around that is the MAGA

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Speaker 5: GOP base just nine percent disapprove of it. This is

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Speaker 5: tremendously popular among the Republican base, and of course Marco Rubio,

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Speaker 5: Secretary of State overseeing the effort. It seems to me

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Speaker 5: that a lot of people are taking that into account,

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Speaker 5: including President Donald Trump, who has been smiling an awful

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Speaker 5: lot at Marco Rubio lately.

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious about when they do polls like this

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Speaker 1: because they say maga gop on US military action and

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Speaker 1: around eighty nine percent approved, nine percent disapproved. If you

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Speaker 1: get a pollster who calls you and they say, are

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Speaker 1: you maga? Like, is that how people are identifying themselves

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Speaker 1: or are you saying I'm a conservative, I'm a Republican,

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Speaker 1: I'm maga.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a really good question because the way

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Speaker 2: these polls are conducted, who they sample in their surveys

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Speaker 2: and the questions they ask can dramatically affect the end result.

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Speaker 2: So are they just classifying everybody that voted for Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump as maga or everybody that identifies as a Republican

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Speaker 2: is also maga.

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Speaker 4: It'd be interesting to.

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Speaker 2: Dig into that a little bit further and see what

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Speaker 2: they have to say. It's not a surprise that Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's base is supporting this war. Look, there are people

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Speaker 2: in this country, a lot of Democrats and the mainstream

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Speaker 2: media that want Donald Trump to fail in whatever he does,

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Speaker 2: and that includes this military operation in Iran. So you've

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Speaker 2: got to be careful about when we read stories in

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Speaker 2: the media and that we see headlines about how, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's conflict within Trump's enter circle and they're unsure about

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Speaker 2: this and is America winning this war and all of

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Speaker 2: these other problems and handwringing and clutching of pearls. Just

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Speaker 2: look back to the facts. Iran doesn't no longer has

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Speaker 2: a navy. Iran essentially has no air force, They have

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Speaker 2: virtually no air defense systems.

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Speaker 4: They have.

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Speaker 2: The number of missiles and rockets they've been able to

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Speaker 2: fire out of their country into their neighbors countries has

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Speaker 2: dropped about seventy five or eighty percent every metric that

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Speaker 2: is available that you can measure. The United States is

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Speaker 2: winning this war and winning it easily, hand over fist.

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Speaker 2: There's no question about it. So I would caution you

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Speaker 2: that when you see these headlines about how things are struggling,

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Speaker 2: or there's people within the Trump administration that disagree about

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Speaker 2: how the war effort is going or the closing of

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Speaker 2: the Straight of Horror Moves is this awful, awful thing.

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Speaker 2: Just keep in mind that all of those things, they

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Speaker 2: really don't have a whole lot of facts to back

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Speaker 2: him up other than probably some unverified sources and certainly

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Speaker 2: no metrics to back that up. So everything militarily is

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Speaker 2: going our militarily, militarily is definitely going our way.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to ninety three WYBC. Well, we had to

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Speaker 1: do a little shuffling because of our appearance from former

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Speaker 1: FBI special agent Corey Grass. But it is time for

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Speaker 1: the most popular portion of the program, What's your problem?

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Speaker 1: And today we asked Jim, what's your problem?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got a problem because of this lawsuit brought

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Speaker 2: by a German tourist for a New York tak area,

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Speaker 2: which I.

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Speaker 4: Think is just a fancy name for Mexican restaurant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not quite sure. So what are the details on this?

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Speaker 2: Because you showed this to me and I got really mad,

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Speaker 2: really fast.

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Speaker 1: So a German tourist, he filed a lawsuit against Los

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Speaker 1: Tacos Number One, a popular taco restaurant in New York Times.

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Speaker 1: He claimed that the restaurant failed to warn him that

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Speaker 1: it's green salsa was spicy. He added lots of salsa

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Speaker 1: to his tacos. He allegedly burned his mouth, he was nauseous,

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Speaker 1: he had mouth blisters and a fast heartbeat. And now

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Speaker 1: he is seeking one hundred thousand dollars in damages, arguing

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Speaker 1: the lack of warning was negligent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the judge sided with the New York City Takoia

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Speaker 2: and basically threw this out.

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Speaker 4: But come on, this is this is the log.

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Speaker 2: Guy lives in Germany, comes here to the United States

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Speaker 2: of America, where we have the freedom to eat food

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Speaker 2: as spicy as we want to. Look, I get that

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Speaker 2: your German, your schnitzel and your sourkrawd doesn't have a

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Speaker 2: lot of spice and a lot of flavor to it.

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Speaker 2: But this is America and we like our spice here.

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Speaker 2: But this guy decides that, then not only does he

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Speaker 2: have a bad experience at this place because it was

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Speaker 2: too spicy, he clogs up our judicial system by filing

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Speaker 2: a lawsuit against.

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Speaker 1: This He was on vacation, mind you, right, he's a tourist.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine going to another country and just because

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Speaker 2: you didn't like the food, or it was too spicy

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Speaker 2: or too whatever that you decide. Hey, I know I'm

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Speaker 2: in Japan right now. I know in somebody else's country.

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Speaker 2: I'm a guest here, but I'm going to decide to

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Speaker 2: file a lawsuit and clog up this other country's judicial

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Speaker 2: system with a bs frivolous lawsuit like this. I was

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Speaker 2: enraged when I saw this. There are so many things

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Speaker 2: about this. The good news is is this got dismissed

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Speaker 2: pretty quickly. And that's a good old American patriot judge

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Speaker 2: that was like, you know what, this is the way

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Speaker 2: we do it in America. Go back to Germany if

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Speaker 2: you want your bland food.

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Speaker 1: So the federal judge, he dismissed the lawsuit, and he

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Speaker 1: said that it's not something that restaurants need to warn

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Speaker 1: about because spiciness is often the point of salsa, and

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Speaker 1: the tourist he didn't ask about it before eating, so

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Speaker 1: they didn't demonstrate negligence. That was the point of the salsa.

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Speaker 1: It is salsa supposed to be spicy, and.

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Speaker 2: That's probably the way they do it in Germany. The

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Speaker 2: state runs everything. They're under control. It's a nanny state.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry you make any mistake, the German state will

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Speaker 2: come in and fix it. That's not how we do

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Speaker 2: it here in America. We've got personal responsibility. And if

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Speaker 2: you're going to load up a whole bunch of spicy

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Speaker 2: green salsa on your burrito and throw that into your

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Speaker 2: pie hole, and if it's too spicy for you, guess.

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Speaker 4: What that's on you. That's not on the restaurant.

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Speaker 2: And this reminds me of that famous you know McDonald's

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Speaker 2: lawsuit in the eighties or whatever it was, where some

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Speaker 2: lady spilled hot coffee on her on her lap and

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Speaker 2: the coffee was too hot and she got like a

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Speaker 2: million dollar lawsuit out of it, and by the way,

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Speaker 2: that ended up being reduced dramatically after that. But it's

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Speaker 2: these type of frivolous lawsuits that just drive me crazy.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that it was some guy from Germany

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Speaker 2: here on vacation takes that craziness to a whole other level.

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Speaker 1: In his complaint, he said that he wanted to eat

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Speaker 1: tacos while he was on vacation because there was no

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Speaker 1: possibility for him to eat tacos in his small German hometown.

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Speaker 1: The judge said he didn't ask the staff about the

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Speaker 1: salsa's heat, and a basic search would have shown salsa

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Speaker 1: is typically spicy. That's on you, dude, that's on you.

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Speaker 2: We have our freedom here in this and we like

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Speaker 2: our Mexican food spicy.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that, let's go get some right now. You're

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Speaker 1: making it hungry. Thank you, Jim, Thank you Caleb, thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening. This has been ninety three WIBC